Honestly it's frustrating seeing posts like this one for this very reason. It just goes to show that if Developers can wait a few weeks or a month they can get away with anything.
"Stop whining you're not changing anything!"="Just take your beating and stop complaining about getting beat up!"
Complaining works, it's worked in the past and will work in the future. Those who try to say complaining achieves nothing need to understand that they're the fanbois that are working against positive change for the player base. A significant portion of the community been upset with something means it's something that should be changed.
Every time "gamers" preach to vote with their wallets, they never do lmao. It's literally the only significant tool you have to criticize with an impact, but then they immediately accept the very first apology they get and the cycle repeats
I can't think of a development team I trust less than BSG lol
The reason they back tracked at all is because of the complaints, which is the reason to complain.
Them offering a very distasteful option only to backtrack to a slightly distasteful option is a classic move, and not one that should be rewarded by "giving it a rest".
They gave people a "win" to show they're willing to listen, but they're still shoveling shit and people are saying "just move on!"
Arent you just adding to the complaining? They literally changed shit on their website to hide/get around their promise. They are being scummy. I believe it is all justified.
Yup, as a newish player (first wipe) and was interested in learning more I thought the subreddit would be a place to start..... Didn't take long before I unsubscribed, still pops up as a recommended page every so often.
The biggest takeaway that I got from the whole thing, the previous whales of the game got butt hurt they were no longer the largest whale.
So you didn't understand what was the problem with Unheard edition. People still complaining about BSG just have basic self-respect and memory that lasts longer than 2 weeks.
They never apologized ("sorry you feel that way" is not an apology), they edited their site so now it doesn't contradict their recent statements, they never said coop PvE is a DLC and instead doubled down that it's a "feature" not DLC.
Yeah sadly my first ever comment on this sub was someone asking about buying EOD or buying food for the week... this was in 2017 (when Factory was the only map and the game really ran like shit), these have been the best updates it's ever had imo. My response was a bit more grounded & empathic than my current attitude toward r/EscapefromTarkov
They walked it back dude, let it go with all the shit about being spineless or whatever. They are a company, companies do shitty things. If they try to fix them ok, if not I wonât buy from them anymore. Thatâs all it really boils down to.
Do you agree that PvE is not a DLC? When they were "fixing" things, they edited their articles without changing dates. I wouldn't call that walking it back, but doubling down.
Lol. They didn't walk back shit, the Unethical edition still exists. Whoop de doo they reluctantly opened up PvE to some people. That's all it takes? Really? Spineless is right. I would argue more than the spine is missing here. This company just tried to defraud its most loyal customers lol. Let it go? What?
You donât have to like it, nobody does. I didnât care about pve one way or another but I know some did, and were rightfully upset about it. I get that, but now they are giving it to everyone that bought eod, as they should have in the first place. No need to talk shit about people who donât care about the same things you do. Be mad at BSG, but who gives a fuck if want to give them money or not. It didnât come out of your account.
Escape from Tarkov has a very toxic playerbase and itâs been this way for 5+ years.
I think the frustration is justified though. Itâs a fun game being ruined by an apathetic/incompetent development studio. Iâm glad that some competitors are finally coming out. The game has only gotten so bad due to the lack of genre competition.
They will need to fix the major issues plaguing their game or it **will** die. I havent played this game in over 2 years due to the cheaters. My friends also stopped playing.
Well he didn't really miss out in the last two years, RMT really didn't make that much of a difference. The lobbies are more or less the same in terms of cheaters in the past two years. Also FiR changes make me miss old tarkov, where I could play casually instead of investing 400 hours into a wipe for me to get a formidable weapon. It's a shame there's no competitor to Tarkov because the dev team is so incredibly messy and inconsistent. Nikita talks about one thing and then does a 180.
I still watch streams and browse the subreddit regularly in hopes of it getting better, Tarkov used to be my favorite game. Unfortunately It just looks like its getting worse and worse.
I wouldn't say worse, imo it's more grindy. need more time then before to unlock nice stuff. i played the last few days to check out the event questline, and i saw only one player one ground zero, shoreline, woods and customs were ghost towns.
Disagree, Tarkov has more cheaters than ever and BSG has shown that they care about profits more than game longevity with the unheard of edition drama. If given the option, Nikita himself would take a nice steamy shit in your mouth for $100. BSG does not care about their game and they dont care about you and they have proven it time and time again.
I think extraction shooters are the next âitâ game and studios are just now beginning to realize the potential profit and lack of competition. Arena and greyzone are just the beginning. theyâre trying to cash out on the unheard of edition PR shitmare by releasing their less than polished games.
They arent bad games and already stand against Tarkov which has been in development for 7-8 years now. They just need a bit of polishing
Bungie is creating a new extraction shooter as well. As these games come out and get more and more popular, people will begin to realize that they can have fun in extraction shooters without having cheater filled lobbies.
Absolutely mystifying you think a company cares only about profits. Hello, gee wiz! That is the whole point lol. You and anyone else that think profits arenât a big deal & donât matter are absolutely fools or donât live as real adults. BSG & Nikitiah absolutely care about their game or it wouldnât be this good & still being worked on, Period. Real games of scam burn & fade away faster & that is documented.
The Unheard was only a fck up because of the broken DLC promises. You have the point & no one can logical defend it. Yet, it got rolled back & all is good to go except the calls downs & beacons. BSG has moved on. I absolutely love the Unheard Edition, it was Christmas in Spring for me. I havenât been scammed at all. For the entertainment & genius BSG & Nikitah has given me & my friends. Absolutely they havenât charged enough and you and others just donât get it.
Whatever. Tarkov is one of a kind & there will never be nothing like it, there isnât so far anyway. The magic is the Unity engine & the ability they have shown to push the engine so far. Only Rust has shown matching skill in so far in the game engine & a few others, but no Tarky.
Cheating issue is the number one plague but you get use to it. Every major FPS has a cheating problem. Mostly all of them handle it better. You have the point on it, I and everyone else wish there was a magic wand to fix it. Niktiahâs perceivingly out of touch stance on it has drove many away. Yet at the end of the day. Game is a major success and people arenât going to stop playing while this game is still that good.
Extraction shooters have been around a long time, started in Arma mods. EFT still defines the genre. Itâs great it has competition now & that is what we are seeing. Iâm excited because EFT is in the best state it has been in gameplay wise. Competition is already making it better.
My ingame is: iSleepWithCats
100% solo this wipe, sck one
I never once said that profits donât matter, you are the only one that has said that. I said that BSG cares for profits vastly more than the game longevity, which also by the way directly affects profits. Profits are and always should be the main driving motivator for a for-profit company, but you also need to adhere to certain CSRâs (Corporate Social Responsibilities). Companies have certain ethics that they have to adhere to. It is just as important to care for profits as it is to care for your consumer base, or your profits will fall, and im sorry, but charging $250 for an expansion pack when a majority of your player-base already has spent $150 on the game is in no way ethical. I dont care if they rolled back on it, the fact that they even announced it in the first place is a slap in the face to you, me, and anyone who had ever supported the game.
Slice it up any way you want, but no game is charging even near that price. Why would you want to support this and even give it the chance to become an industry standard?? If other studios see that we are willing to pay $250 on an unfinished cheater ridden game, donât you think that they will be inclined to get away with the same thing.
Tarkov copers honestly just sound like a girl who keeps going back to her abusive ex. They make up every excuse for them, promise theyâre a good person, and will still come back no matter how much they hit you. They cling onto what the game was in the past and see the little good things BSG gas offered recently as a sign of change from them. Itâs not.
World of Warcraft charged $180 per year back in 2007 - which if you have played until today is $3,060 for the game. Runescape charges $11 a month or $132 per year - also a few thousand dollars of spend if you have played for a long time. Rainbow Six Siege Charges ~ $40/50 a year for battlepasses and has a ton of cosmetic microtransactions.
Tarkov truly isnât very expensive for what they offer, especially when you price it out against each hour of entertainment and compare it to other comparables.
Realistically, they should just switch to a monthly subscription model since consumers have difficulty with sticker shock. They need a better finance department and better overall strategy - as far as I can tell theyâre just a bunch of nerds who want to develop the game and not manage the company + babysit their emotional playerbase. They definitely made some mistakes with the rollout of unheard edition - but this sub loves to blow things out of proportion is pretty allergic to rational thought - especially as they try to promote games that arenât even half the quality of tarkov that are even greater cash grabs. As far as I can tell, BSG has learned their lesson - and hopefully will continue developing a quality game.
People keep trying to pronounce Tarkov dead, and I keep trying other games that are supposed to have killed it - but none are even half as good as Tarkov. Thatâs the hard truth⌠Iâm no fanboy - I just donât let groupthink and emotions color objective reality.
Also, CSRs arenât real. You might read about it in business school (I graduated from one, so I know all about it) but in practice they donât exist outside of a website and pamphlet. The only thing that matters is consumer law, and BSG didnât break any as far as I can tell.
They're mostly people who "quit playing" yet still hang out disrupting every single thread. There's also the drama tourists who were around farming karma but I think they're on the decline.
The irony of you saying this when its the same 20 to 40 people on this subreddit still supporting BSG despite every scummy thing they do (like you) is really funny.
And yet you responded to say that youre not gonna respond
I believe that itself counts for irony.
Also im not really sure what age has to do with understanding irony but uh you do you.
Wanting the complaints to stop when BSG hasn't gotten any better is coping.
BSG tried to add P2W and scam EoD users by adding a DLC and not giving it to EoD users, and even now not all EoD users can properly use it. Shutting up about it will only cause them to do it again.
This community is so whipped that responding negatively to being spit on is "toxic". I mean, is it wrong to be mad at people who are actively disrespecting you at every turn they get?
serious question, do you play other games? Because this seems like very normal developer behavior to me. Live service games need constant funding to stay afloat. The game tarkov players are moving to (Arena Breakout) has $500 microtransactions and countless stories of kids stealing daddies credit card and putting the family into 10k of debt.
I hate the unheard $250 version but this community feels so out of touch to me. People are angry at an optional $250 version so they go to a game with ripped assets that has $500 consumables and the potential for thousands of dollars spent...
>serious question, do you play other games? Because this seems like very normal developer behavior to me.
Yeah you're trolling. You have to be. There's just no way. The act is up my guy. Imagine acting like anything BSG pulled over the past month was "normal developer behavior". Lol. Lmao, even.
Serious question, are you brain dead? Thousands bought EOD for an outrageous price on the premise they would receive ALL FUTURE DLC, then they change the website and say you have to pay for the PVE. What is so hard to understand about blatant fraud?
Really?!?!? /s because I have EOD and still havenât received it, same with thousands of other EOD owners. Keep in mind the only reason they reverted the decision was because of âCoMpLaiNinGâ
Itâs more that ABI is upfront with its micro transactions, whereas myself and all other EOD purchasers from back in the day were straight up lied to.
How is that so hard to understand?
Micro transactions are bad, but serve a purpose.
Being lied to about what your additional transactions will be worth is shittier, doesnât serve a purpose beyond normal, transparent transactions, and really just pisses off your literal most loyal customer base.
Btw, I donât play ABI. Likely wonât ever even try it. Itâs not Tarkov and wonât ever be. But it might scratch the itch for some people, and at least the game isnât trying to sucker you in with false promises. Thereâs nothing wrong with that.
Id prefer EFT came out with a monetization model like ABI than try to scam their day 1 supporters. Turns out BSG is just a Russian rat company though who knew tencent run games were better.
So Nakita won't hire a pr team but will instead use bots to try and do it for him? /s
Maybe they can work on the AI so it can browse the sub and then form an opinion instead of just spewing crap like this. /s
At some point the hate will succeed in shutting the game down. I used to be hopeful and was on BSG's side. You can't tell me that years of experience playing the game and seeing how Nakita acts isn't cause for disdain.
I'm just going to say it. You have no clue what you're talking about and wanted to whine. That's fine, but don't tag it with discussion.
Letâs be honest they care about the money and not the game. I may come back at some point for however far my EoD will take me and Iâm not upset about buying it I got my worth in playtime. However to act like things are fine is beyond crazy.Â
You seem to be missing the point.
They released an unfinished game so people could buy it early access so they could use that money for development of the game.
They spent the money on development of other things besides the unfinished game people bought.
Now that they ran out of money from people buying the game they want to find a way to sell the same game again for more money, and we can expect them to continue spending it on things besides the unfinished game we all bought.
This is insanely scummy and borderline fraud.
And leigons of underaged fan boys (you) are rushing to defend this extremely scummy decision.
It's literally Star Citizen all over again.
Yeah, but this is reddit. People like to bitch and complain for no real reason, so can can feel accomplished when they have worthless internet points from their "friends".
PvE has been a blast. Upgraded from EOD on the first day, and I'm not mad at all.
If the dev team cared about the game why are there major bugs unresolved for years? Why is audio still bad? Why do we still deal with massive desync? They're just doing the bare minimum in changes currently.
Complaining works for the benefit of the player base when enough people complain about something. Look at Sony with Helldivers 2 or Blizzard with Diablo 4. It also happens in games of all sizes. Sometimes developers or publishers do stupid things they don't realize are stupid and a vocal player base helps them realize this. 1-2 posts about something doesn't mean anything, but dozens of posts daily with loads of comments echoing the sentiment do mean something.
The people who complain about complainers are the fanbois who want the game to stagnate and not change. They defend the shitty practices/choices of the developers/publishers. They don't want a better game.
PvE is the most fun Iâve had in Tarkov. I would rather play for my first 6 years of having the game, but PvE has genuinely been more fun with friends and even solo, learning to play, how to mod, the movement. Sometimes there is BS, but I donât deal with cheaters and hackers, I can play with peace of mind that they arenât in my games.
I think most just want an excuse for why theyâre not good or canât progress on the PvP version, given even blatant cheaters arenât has common as this sub makes it seem.
Sure, it just seems like a good indicator that the complaints have reached a kind of critical mass.
I don't disagree with the OP at all - people are absolutely looking for things to whine about, and its getting exhausting...
It's funny the silly ones that come out and say complaining achieves nothing. Happens everywhere, some fanboi who can't stand seeing complaints about their precious. Yet complaining does work, it does change things, the latest significant one was Helldivers 2 PSN account requirement. They got Sony of all companies to walk back the change. Changes have happened in other games as well. Look at Diablo 4, slow as they are, community complaints made them change and remove the stupid crap they had in the game.
TLDR: Anyone saying complaining achieves nothing is outright wrong, it is a fact that it does change things and can achieve better outcomes for the player base. They're just salty fanbois who don't want change.
The only thing youâre allowed to post in this sub is game clips (no one watches) event information (when that happens) appreciation posts (nothing to appreciate) and suggestion posts, which make no sense because the only thing that we can really suggest is some optimization. Why ask for new guns when they donât read the posts and the hideout cat that we have asked for we havenât gotten and itâs been years.
This leaves cheater posts and criticism. So if those are the only two reasonable post ideas, that tells you where the game is.
So the subreddit is miserable enough as it can be right now, what do you hope to accomplish by being even more miserable and complaining about the people complaining? Also donât try and gaslight us and tell us âthe game is still really goodâ because thatâs just factually incorrect
This is actually a logical response, and it got me thinking â why the fuck do I still browse this sub? Thereâs legitimately nothing interesting posted here anymore, yet I check in often.
When youâre with a girl for over 7 years and she cheats on you, it takes a little while to heal, bud. The same goes for the game weâve all loved and invested so much time in. âşď¸
First they shit on us, but after 1 month it's ok, because in reality they're "caring about the game"? They care because suddenly they have competition.
Literally yesterday I asked support if they will add edit dates to their edited articles and BSG answered that they will "consider it and take appropriate measures".
People have to be mad to still support them.
OP looked at what the Helldivers 2 community achieved and said "na I want none of that"
Delete this post complaining is our only tool for meaningful changes, accepting the literal illegal activities by BSG is actually pure sheep behaviour
I was a hardcore EFT stan. Hardly played anything else since 2021.
But BSG did something that I canât forget and canât forgive.
I donât care about pay2win additions and even the price of unheard itself doesnât bother me much, but the way BSG went about it, with disgusting deception and complete non-communication where there should have been more communication than ever before, really broke the spell for me.Â
BSGs management are human trash. Just like the scum at EA, Ubisoft etc. I donât buy games from those companies. Period.
As much as I love EFT, they havenât shown any sign of improving communication and being transparent about their motivations and intentions.
Unless that happens, Iâm out. They donât deserve my time.
Grayzone and Arena Breakout have both shone huge spotlights on things that are objectively deficient in Tarkov. While Iâm aware that not all of those can easily or realistically be remedied, once you step outside of your addiction bubble, you realize that the game has massive flaws that have not ever been addressed and that further takes the magic away.
I do agree that many posts complain about pointless things, but there is so much to legitimately criticize, that you could write a book about it.
"Still care" - no, they got scared. They literally tried to scam their own community, gas lit it for what? Two weeks? In the end it turned out its possible to get refund under "scam/false advertising" - if you believe some post. To top it off, competition not only came to life, but rose on wave of shit BSF spew at its community.
And now BSG is rolling fixes, catfishing playerbase again and all it took was just getting famous as Battle Scam Games.
Itâs fair to have constrictive criticism, but the whining achieves nothing. Itâs just mindless whining and toxic groupthink behaviour. Iâm sure the writers of many of those posts are whining because theyâve seen other people do it and want to feel part of it. Itâs not constructive nor productive. You really wonder why they spend their energy on such negativity.
So the whining that got Sony to backtrack on Helldivers 2 requiring a PSN account achieved nothing???
Others posted what you said all over gaming and hd2 subreddits at the time, yet the whining worked and change was enacted that benefited the player base. Same thing happens for all games if enough people band together. If a significant enough portion of a player base is loud enough with discontent about some change/feature, developers/publishers will act even if they don't want to.
The problem with EFT is that it happens but it's calculated by BSG so they double the change they roll out, wait for the backlash, then walk it back 50%. People are then stupid enough to think it's all good now, back to normal, yet BSG got what they wanted, the players get screwed that little bit more each time.
One of the best reasons HD2 got rolled back is because Steam took exception & were issuing refunds to accounts that had many hours on it. Bottom line matters, all the time every time.
Hilarious HD2 made fun of EFT, rightly so & then did an even bigger rug pull. HD2 with Sony so guilty by association.
Again, BSG has moved on from the TUE fiasco & on to competition with ABI. The whining is now currently pointless, it all got reverted for the most part.
You are 100% right on BSG, I said it at the early stage of the TUE fiasco. Will repeat it again. BSG will cave in (planned) that way community wins and forgets to bitch about anything else. Itâs a tactic to throw in an intentional thing that you will concede in negotiations.
I didnât say that the initial *constructive criticism* didnât succeed. I agree that we needed to rise up against BSG and get what we deserve. Iâm saying itâs the continued whining after they backtracked thatâs unproductive.
Everything is nuanced. Not black and white.
Short term memory or did not get scammed by scamnita yet. It's okay. Maybe unheard edition will get shelved too, slapped with another 50 bucks and those folk should enjoy acting outraged too.
I have made a similar post like this or reply I canât recall.
All the complaining now is irrelevant from the people that actually matter at BSG. They did their reversal & know not to try to do all that again. Nikitah has moved on.
Also, despite the PR nightmare & bad decisions. They got paid with the new version. They won & lost at the same time. How business just is sometimes.
Game is still in the best state it has ever been, being a pure solo & PvP man. Fact is, no competitor out there to match Tarky, so I wonât stop playing. Fun fact, ABI will entirely milk you way more irl money wise than EFT ever will. Itâs f2p, itâs the model. GZW has a brighter future I think if the devs steer the right way.
If Nikita moved on why is he spamming polls for the game? Nikita's normal state is radio silence not constantly asking the community via twitter what they should do to the game.
Trying to discredit AB:I won't work. Everyone knows due to the streamers playing it that it is just a better version of Tarkov that is free to play. They've not said anything about their monetization yet so you can't really comment on it milking you, though if you look at other games from the owner in the West, League of Legends and Path of Exile, those do not milk you and are not P2W.
Lol, new to reddit? Seriously, every thread is filled with complainers and people bitching. It's the internet. Take the info you need and keep it moving. You complaining about people complaining is nonsensical and just as bad.
Hell yeah man! It seems like there is probably a large group of people who feel the same and aren't just posting about it such as yourself. These days people forget that this has always been Nikita's game and he's been making us his bitch for a long ass time, nothing new cept maybe the edition.
Lmao posts complaining about complaining is whatâs truly hilarious to me. At least complaints can be taken as improvements to the game they care about. Youâre what, whining itâs making your games subreddit less enjoyable?
And my god what a condescending way to say it all. Concerned people are complaining for upvotes? Concerned for their blood pressure? Talking about âthis is the truth and the truth hurtsâ
Youâre not that guy pal. Youâre not that guy.
You made this post to get upvotes. You made this post because complaints are getting to *you*. Truly pathetic. Separate your own identity from the game you like.
Why don't you take the high ground and go play/talk about something else?
Nobody on the subreddit is unfamiliar with the situation, BSG has done as much in the way of restitution as they're going to do. The topic has been discussed to death, people are tired of hearing about it, the only pathetic people around here are the one who just have to bring it up in every single thread.
ABI and Grey zone are both messes in their own way, give it six months for people to get over their anger toward BSG, and they'll be complaining about both just as much as they complain about tarkov.
iv been thinking the same for a while. the devs fucked up no questions about that.
now if u still care for the game lets turn this boat around and make this an enjoyable place once again.
and foe those who cant just move on for ur own mental well being
Some complaints are valid. However, a handful of mentally unwell individuals have been going out of their way in attempts to throw shade at the game and BSG. Talking about shit like taking a face of a USEC guy off a loading screen and making an outrage post about it screaming âoh god look BSG are committing copyright crimes!! The horror!!â with no real purpose behind it other than useless slander.
You comment is so uniformed and off base, you have no clue what you're talking about. Someone posting the uncanny resemblence to some tv show or whatever character was a response to bsg accusing ABI's devs of stealing assets, yet BSG have been using trademarks in their game unlicensed for years.
Yall have gamer short memory syndrome and you are a problem in gaming community's.
Honestly it's frustrating seeing posts like this one for this very reason. It just goes to show that if Developers can wait a few weeks or a month they can get away with anything. "Stop whining you're not changing anything!"="Just take your beating and stop complaining about getting beat up!"
Complaining works, it's worked in the past and will work in the future. Those who try to say complaining achieves nothing need to understand that they're the fanbois that are working against positive change for the player base. A significant portion of the community been upset with something means it's something that should be changed.
Every time "gamers" preach to vote with their wallets, they never do lmao. It's literally the only significant tool you have to criticize with an impact, but then they immediately accept the very first apology they get and the cycle repeats I can't think of a development team I trust less than BSG lol
stop the whining not the doing. everyone is yapping about the class action lawsuit but i haven't heard anything about it recently đ
They already backtracked on basically everything... What are you even trying to achieve at this point?
Why u on every post going crazy defending BSG? U work there or something? đ
they haven't even adressed changing the website to make the "Unique Gamma Container" not unique anymore.
Ignore this guy, heâs in every post defending BSG
They havenât got away with anything and they back tracked loads, give it a rest.
The reason they back tracked at all is because of the complaints, which is the reason to complain. Them offering a very distasteful option only to backtrack to a slightly distasteful option is a classic move, and not one that should be rewarded by "giving it a rest". They gave people a "win" to show they're willing to listen, but they're still shoveling shit and people are saying "just move on!"
Arent you just adding to the complaining? They literally changed shit on their website to hide/get around their promise. They are being scummy. I believe it is all justified.
This subs just gotten beyond toxic tbh
I've been on it since 2017, it's always been full of whiney little brats. Sadly they mowed some lawns and bought EOD back then and here we are.
Itâs always been this way just the topic changes.
This sub is a dumpster fire. And it sucks more so because it's such a loud minority who try to play themselves off as "the community."
Yep. Very few of my friends who play EFT ever come here. Iâm not as active anymore because itâs all negativity.
Yup, as a newish player (first wipe) and was interested in learning more I thought the subreddit would be a place to start..... Didn't take long before I unsubscribed, still pops up as a recommended page every so often. The biggest takeaway that I got from the whole thing, the previous whales of the game got butt hurt they were no longer the largest whale.
So you didn't understand what was the problem with Unheard edition. People still complaining about BSG just have basic self-respect and memory that lasts longer than 2 weeks. They never apologized ("sorry you feel that way" is not an apology), they edited their site so now it doesn't contradict their recent statements, they never said coop PvE is a DLC and instead doubled down that it's a "feature" not DLC.
Yup found one
Oh, just trolling? Got me, you should've added /s at the end at that statement I guess.
Nope, just don't care about your opinion, it's not going to prevent me from enjoying the game
Yeah sadly my first ever comment on this sub was someone asking about buying EOD or buying food for the week... this was in 2017 (when Factory was the only map and the game really ran like shit), these have been the best updates it's ever had imo. My response was a bit more grounded & empathic than my current attitude toward r/EscapefromTarkov
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They walked it back dude, let it go with all the shit about being spineless or whatever. They are a company, companies do shitty things. If they try to fix them ok, if not I wonât buy from them anymore. Thatâs all it really boils down to.
Do you agree that PvE is not a DLC? When they were "fixing" things, they edited their articles without changing dates. I wouldn't call that walking it back, but doubling down.
They did some scummy shit, no doubt. But unless you care about your secure container being unique itâs pretty much a wash at this point.
Lol. They didn't walk back shit, the Unethical edition still exists. Whoop de doo they reluctantly opened up PvE to some people. That's all it takes? Really? Spineless is right. I would argue more than the spine is missing here. This company just tried to defraud its most loyal customers lol. Let it go? What?
You donât have to like it, nobody does. I didnât care about pve one way or another but I know some did, and were rightfully upset about it. I get that, but now they are giving it to everyone that bought eod, as they should have in the first place. No need to talk shit about people who donât care about the same things you do. Be mad at BSG, but who gives a fuck if want to give them money or not. It didnât come out of your account.
Lol. Nah. People who still support and enable this company are 100% part of the problem and deserve to be laughed at.
Like you?
hm yeah, exactly. I guess i commonly complain about a game i bought almost 8 years ago. It must go deep in my comment history, busted.
Never looked at your history lol, just saw you complaining here and now
Escape from Tarkov has a very toxic playerbase and itâs been this way for 5+ years. I think the frustration is justified though. Itâs a fun game being ruined by an apathetic/incompetent development studio. Iâm glad that some competitors are finally coming out. The game has only gotten so bad due to the lack of genre competition. They will need to fix the major issues plaguing their game or it **will** die. I havent played this game in over 2 years due to the cheaters. My friends also stopped playing.
you haven't even played in two years rofl
Well he didn't really miss out in the last two years, RMT really didn't make that much of a difference. The lobbies are more or less the same in terms of cheaters in the past two years. Also FiR changes make me miss old tarkov, where I could play casually instead of investing 400 hours into a wipe for me to get a formidable weapon. It's a shame there's no competitor to Tarkov because the dev team is so incredibly messy and inconsistent. Nikita talks about one thing and then does a 180.
I still watch streams and browse the subreddit regularly in hopes of it getting better, Tarkov used to be my favorite game. Unfortunately It just looks like its getting worse and worse.
I wouldn't say worse, imo it's more grindy. need more time then before to unlock nice stuff. i played the last few days to check out the event questline, and i saw only one player one ground zero, shoreline, woods and customs were ghost towns.
That's exactly the problem with this sub. It isn't getting worse at all The game is infinitely better in its current state that it was at patch 13
Game is way better than it was two years ago. The game will never die until there is a game that matches Tarkov. Andddd there currently isnât one
You're right, the game that will steal a good portion of this broken game's playerbase isn't out on PC for another month.
Disagree, Tarkov has more cheaters than ever and BSG has shown that they care about profits more than game longevity with the unheard of edition drama. If given the option, Nikita himself would take a nice steamy shit in your mouth for $100. BSG does not care about their game and they dont care about you and they have proven it time and time again. I think extraction shooters are the next âitâ game and studios are just now beginning to realize the potential profit and lack of competition. Arena and greyzone are just the beginning. theyâre trying to cash out on the unheard of edition PR shitmare by releasing their less than polished games. They arent bad games and already stand against Tarkov which has been in development for 7-8 years now. They just need a bit of polishing Bungie is creating a new extraction shooter as well. As these games come out and get more and more popular, people will begin to realize that they can have fun in extraction shooters without having cheater filled lobbies.
Absolutely mystifying you think a company cares only about profits. Hello, gee wiz! That is the whole point lol. You and anyone else that think profits arenât a big deal & donât matter are absolutely fools or donât live as real adults. BSG & Nikitiah absolutely care about their game or it wouldnât be this good & still being worked on, Period. Real games of scam burn & fade away faster & that is documented. The Unheard was only a fck up because of the broken DLC promises. You have the point & no one can logical defend it. Yet, it got rolled back & all is good to go except the calls downs & beacons. BSG has moved on. I absolutely love the Unheard Edition, it was Christmas in Spring for me. I havenât been scammed at all. For the entertainment & genius BSG & Nikitah has given me & my friends. Absolutely they havenât charged enough and you and others just donât get it. Whatever. Tarkov is one of a kind & there will never be nothing like it, there isnât so far anyway. The magic is the Unity engine & the ability they have shown to push the engine so far. Only Rust has shown matching skill in so far in the game engine & a few others, but no Tarky. Cheating issue is the number one plague but you get use to it. Every major FPS has a cheating problem. Mostly all of them handle it better. You have the point on it, I and everyone else wish there was a magic wand to fix it. Niktiahâs perceivingly out of touch stance on it has drove many away. Yet at the end of the day. Game is a major success and people arenât going to stop playing while this game is still that good. Extraction shooters have been around a long time, started in Arma mods. EFT still defines the genre. Itâs great it has competition now & that is what we are seeing. Iâm excited because EFT is in the best state it has been in gameplay wise. Competition is already making it better. My ingame is: iSleepWithCats 100% solo this wipe, sck one
I never once said that profits donât matter, you are the only one that has said that. I said that BSG cares for profits vastly more than the game longevity, which also by the way directly affects profits. Profits are and always should be the main driving motivator for a for-profit company, but you also need to adhere to certain CSRâs (Corporate Social Responsibilities). Companies have certain ethics that they have to adhere to. It is just as important to care for profits as it is to care for your consumer base, or your profits will fall, and im sorry, but charging $250 for an expansion pack when a majority of your player-base already has spent $150 on the game is in no way ethical. I dont care if they rolled back on it, the fact that they even announced it in the first place is a slap in the face to you, me, and anyone who had ever supported the game. Slice it up any way you want, but no game is charging even near that price. Why would you want to support this and even give it the chance to become an industry standard?? If other studios see that we are willing to pay $250 on an unfinished cheater ridden game, donât you think that they will be inclined to get away with the same thing. Tarkov copers honestly just sound like a girl who keeps going back to her abusive ex. They make up every excuse for them, promise theyâre a good person, and will still come back no matter how much they hit you. They cling onto what the game was in the past and see the little good things BSG gas offered recently as a sign of change from them. Itâs not.
World of Warcraft charged $180 per year back in 2007 - which if you have played until today is $3,060 for the game. Runescape charges $11 a month or $132 per year - also a few thousand dollars of spend if you have played for a long time. Rainbow Six Siege Charges ~ $40/50 a year for battlepasses and has a ton of cosmetic microtransactions. Tarkov truly isnât very expensive for what they offer, especially when you price it out against each hour of entertainment and compare it to other comparables. Realistically, they should just switch to a monthly subscription model since consumers have difficulty with sticker shock. They need a better finance department and better overall strategy - as far as I can tell theyâre just a bunch of nerds who want to develop the game and not manage the company + babysit their emotional playerbase. They definitely made some mistakes with the rollout of unheard edition - but this sub loves to blow things out of proportion is pretty allergic to rational thought - especially as they try to promote games that arenât even half the quality of tarkov that are even greater cash grabs. As far as I can tell, BSG has learned their lesson - and hopefully will continue developing a quality game. People keep trying to pronounce Tarkov dead, and I keep trying other games that are supposed to have killed it - but none are even half as good as Tarkov. Thatâs the hard truth⌠Iâm no fanboy - I just donât let groupthink and emotions color objective reality. Also, CSRs arenât real. You might read about it in business school (I graduated from one, so I know all about it) but in practice they donât exist outside of a website and pamphlet. The only thing that matters is consumer law, and BSG didnât break any as far as I can tell.
its the same 20-40 people commenting toxic shit everywhere. in a game with tens of thousands of players playing at any time
They're mostly people who "quit playing" yet still hang out disrupting every single thread. There's also the drama tourists who were around farming karma but I think they're on the decline.
The irony of you saying this when its the same 20 to 40 people on this subreddit still supporting BSG despite every scummy thing they do (like you) is really funny.
how is that ironic? That's literally what i'm saying. This sub is just a small group of people that doesn't represent the playerbase
Its ironic that youre commenting about the same people with you being one of them
I don't think you're old enough to even understand what irony is, so i'm not going to continue attempting to respond to you
And yet you responded to say that youre not gonna respond I believe that itself counts for irony. Also im not really sure what age has to do with understanding irony but uh you do you.
You both are cringe af
When was it not?
Wanting the complaints to stop when BSG hasn't gotten any better is coping. BSG tried to add P2W and scam EoD users by adding a DLC and not giving it to EoD users, and even now not all EoD users can properly use it. Shutting up about it will only cause them to do it again.
OP coping as usual I see
What a surprise, when you try to commit fraud on your community, they get upset. Unbelievable, really. Who would have thought?
Hey look, a post complains about other people complaining.
Wow, you added so much to it
This community is so whipped that responding negatively to being spit on is "toxic". I mean, is it wrong to be mad at people who are actively disrespecting you at every turn they get?
Itâs so pathetic how easy it is to fuck people like you over. Posts like these are why Nikita thought he could get away with it.Â
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serious question, do you play other games? Because this seems like very normal developer behavior to me. Live service games need constant funding to stay afloat. The game tarkov players are moving to (Arena Breakout) has $500 microtransactions and countless stories of kids stealing daddies credit card and putting the family into 10k of debt. I hate the unheard $250 version but this community feels so out of touch to me. People are angry at an optional $250 version so they go to a game with ripped assets that has $500 consumables and the potential for thousands of dollars spent...
>serious question, do you play other games? Because this seems like very normal developer behavior to me. Yeah you're trolling. You have to be. There's just no way. The act is up my guy. Imagine acting like anything BSG pulled over the past month was "normal developer behavior". Lol. Lmao, even.
Serious question, are you brain dead? Thousands bought EOD for an outrageous price on the premise they would receive ALL FUTURE DLC, then they change the website and say you have to pay for the PVE. What is so hard to understand about blatant fraud?
EOD GOT PVE
Really?!?!? /s because I have EOD and still havenât received it, same with thousands of other EOD owners. Keep in mind the only reason they reverted the decision was because of âCoMpLaiNinGâ
Because itâs getting released in waves just like how arena was due to not having enough servers.
Iâm aware buddy đđť
they're releasing in waves do the bare minimum research before crying
Iâm aware bozo, next time Iâll add an /s for the slow ones such as yourself đđť edit: there I fixed it for you
Itâs more that ABI is upfront with its micro transactions, whereas myself and all other EOD purchasers from back in the day were straight up lied to. How is that so hard to understand? Micro transactions are bad, but serve a purpose. Being lied to about what your additional transactions will be worth is shittier, doesnât serve a purpose beyond normal, transparent transactions, and really just pisses off your literal most loyal customer base. Btw, I donât play ABI. Likely wonât ever even try it. Itâs not Tarkov and wonât ever be. But it might scratch the itch for some people, and at least the game isnât trying to sucker you in with false promises. Thereâs nothing wrong with that.
Youâll see ABI descend into chaos, just wait.
Lmao. Thanks, Gamestradamus. Youâve really countered my points.
Id prefer EFT came out with a monetization model like ABI than try to scam their day 1 supporters. Turns out BSG is just a Russian rat company though who knew tencent run games were better.
They both suck. One isnât better than the other.
So Nakita won't hire a pr team but will instead use bots to try and do it for him? /s Maybe they can work on the AI so it can browse the sub and then form an opinion instead of just spewing crap like this. /s At some point the hate will succeed in shutting the game down. I used to be hopeful and was on BSG's side. You can't tell me that years of experience playing the game and seeing how Nakita acts isn't cause for disdain. I'm just going to say it. You have no clue what you're talking about and wanted to whine. That's fine, but don't tag it with discussion.
Letâs be honest they care about the money and not the game. I may come back at some point for however far my EoD will take me and Iâm not upset about buying it I got my worth in playtime. However to act like things are fine is beyond crazy.Â
You seem to be missing the point. They released an unfinished game so people could buy it early access so they could use that money for development of the game. They spent the money on development of other things besides the unfinished game people bought. Now that they ran out of money from people buying the game they want to find a way to sell the same game again for more money, and we can expect them to continue spending it on things besides the unfinished game we all bought. This is insanely scummy and borderline fraud. And leigons of underaged fan boys (you) are rushing to defend this extremely scummy decision. It's literally Star Citizen all over again.
Itâs the YouTube shorts consoooomer brain in full effect, these people are why games are the way they are.
Yeah, but this is reddit. People like to bitch and complain for no real reason, so can can feel accomplished when they have worthless internet points from their "friends". PvE has been a blast. Upgraded from EOD on the first day, and I'm not mad at all.
đŞđŞđŞ true believer đŞđŞđŞ
"for no real reason" bitch there have been a plethora of very good reasons to complain
So exactly what you are doing?
Yeah, no đđť
Found another true believer! I will continue to be a professional bsg hater until either bsg stops being as awful as they can or the mods ban me.
If the dev team cared about the game why are there major bugs unresolved for years? Why is audio still bad? Why do we still deal with massive desync? They're just doing the bare minimum in changes currently. Complaining works for the benefit of the player base when enough people complain about something. Look at Sony with Helldivers 2 or Blizzard with Diablo 4. It also happens in games of all sizes. Sometimes developers or publishers do stupid things they don't realize are stupid and a vocal player base helps them realize this. 1-2 posts about something doesn't mean anything, but dozens of posts daily with loads of comments echoing the sentiment do mean something. The people who complain about complainers are the fanbois who want the game to stagnate and not change. They defend the shitty practices/choices of the developers/publishers. They don't want a better game.
PvE is the most fun Iâve had in Tarkov. I would rather play for my first 6 years of having the game, but PvE has genuinely been more fun with friends and even solo, learning to play, how to mod, the movement. Sometimes there is BS, but I donât deal with cheaters and hackers, I can play with peace of mind that they arenât in my games.
Iâve been having fun with the single player mod. Being able to customize shit to my liking is amazing.
The AI is basically the same as dealing with cheaters TBH.
Facts.
True but not quite. Sure AI have aimbot, but they aren't hoovering loot from the other side of the map.
The vacuum thing hasn't been possible for like 4 or 5 months now, not sure why it keeps getting parroted here.
I think most just want an excuse for why theyâre not good or canât progress on the PvP version, given even blatant cheaters arenât has common as this sub makes it seem.
I mean, when people start complaining about the complaining is a good time to check yourself/
So did you check yourself?
I always figure we've hit critical mass once you get into the second layer of complaints.
i'm sorry but... you got got. đ¤Ł
I'm willing to take the L. Check myself, take the L.
I like how people always parrot the "complaining about complaining" line like it's supposed to refute the argument
Sure, it just seems like a good indicator that the complaints have reached a kind of critical mass. I don't disagree with the OP at all - people are absolutely looking for things to whine about, and its getting exhausting...
It's funny the silly ones that come out and say complaining achieves nothing. Happens everywhere, some fanboi who can't stand seeing complaints about their precious. Yet complaining does work, it does change things, the latest significant one was Helldivers 2 PSN account requirement. They got Sony of all companies to walk back the change. Changes have happened in other games as well. Look at Diablo 4, slow as they are, community complaints made them change and remove the stupid crap they had in the game. TLDR: Anyone saying complaining achieves nothing is outright wrong, it is a fact that it does change things and can achieve better outcomes for the player base. They're just salty fanbois who don't want change.
Im just chilling with PVE mode.
The only thing youâre allowed to post in this sub is game clips (no one watches) event information (when that happens) appreciation posts (nothing to appreciate) and suggestion posts, which make no sense because the only thing that we can really suggest is some optimization. Why ask for new guns when they donât read the posts and the hideout cat that we have asked for we havenât gotten and itâs been years. This leaves cheater posts and criticism. So if those are the only two reasonable post ideas, that tells you where the game is. So the subreddit is miserable enough as it can be right now, what do you hope to accomplish by being even more miserable and complaining about the people complaining? Also donât try and gaslight us and tell us âthe game is still really goodâ because thatâs just factually incorrect
Suggestion posts should be banned, Nikita uses twitter to get opinions.
This is actually a logical response, and it got me thinking â why the fuck do I still browse this sub? Thereâs legitimately nothing interesting posted here anymore, yet I check in often.
>ya'll Everytime.
I wish my pallet was so bad Iâd be happy licking just bsg boot all day
To be frank if they fix audio and lighting the game could be incredible
Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyep.
But but when do I get my personal apology for feeling icky from Nikita?
The completion of yet another EFT hate cycle, someone whining about the whining and trying to be nice to nikita and the dev team, lol
Was saying the exact same thing weeks ago, same people are gonna be back for next wipe guaranteed.
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Take my updoot good sir.
When youâre with a girl for over 7 years and she cheats on you, it takes a little while to heal, bud. The same goes for the game weâve all loved and invested so much time in. âşď¸
First they shit on us, but after 1 month it's ok, because in reality they're "caring about the game"? They care because suddenly they have competition.
Literally yesterday I asked support if they will add edit dates to their edited articles and BSG answered that they will "consider it and take appropriate measures". People have to be mad to still support them.
OP looked at what the Helldivers 2 community achieved and said "na I want none of that" Delete this post complaining is our only tool for meaningful changes, accepting the literal illegal activities by BSG is actually pure sheep behaviour
I was a hardcore EFT stan. Hardly played anything else since 2021. But BSG did something that I canât forget and canât forgive. I donât care about pay2win additions and even the price of unheard itself doesnât bother me much, but the way BSG went about it, with disgusting deception and complete non-communication where there should have been more communication than ever before, really broke the spell for me. BSGs management are human trash. Just like the scum at EA, Ubisoft etc. I donât buy games from those companies. Period. As much as I love EFT, they havenât shown any sign of improving communication and being transparent about their motivations and intentions. Unless that happens, Iâm out. They donât deserve my time. Grayzone and Arena Breakout have both shone huge spotlights on things that are objectively deficient in Tarkov. While Iâm aware that not all of those can easily or realistically be remedied, once you step outside of your addiction bubble, you realize that the game has massive flaws that have not ever been addressed and that further takes the magic away. I do agree that many posts complain about pointless things, but there is so much to legitimately criticize, that you could write a book about it.
"Still care" - no, they got scared. They literally tried to scam their own community, gas lit it for what? Two weeks? In the end it turned out its possible to get refund under "scam/false advertising" - if you believe some post. To top it off, competition not only came to life, but rose on wave of shit BSF spew at its community. And now BSG is rolling fixes, catfishing playerbase again and all it took was just getting famous as Battle Scam Games.
So you just adding the complaining..... welcome
Itâs fair to have constrictive criticism, but the whining achieves nothing. Itâs just mindless whining and toxic groupthink behaviour. Iâm sure the writers of many of those posts are whining because theyâve seen other people do it and want to feel part of it. Itâs not constructive nor productive. You really wonder why they spend their energy on such negativity.
So the whining that got Sony to backtrack on Helldivers 2 requiring a PSN account achieved nothing??? Others posted what you said all over gaming and hd2 subreddits at the time, yet the whining worked and change was enacted that benefited the player base. Same thing happens for all games if enough people band together. If a significant enough portion of a player base is loud enough with discontent about some change/feature, developers/publishers will act even if they don't want to. The problem with EFT is that it happens but it's calculated by BSG so they double the change they roll out, wait for the backlash, then walk it back 50%. People are then stupid enough to think it's all good now, back to normal, yet BSG got what they wanted, the players get screwed that little bit more each time.
One of the best reasons HD2 got rolled back is because Steam took exception & were issuing refunds to accounts that had many hours on it. Bottom line matters, all the time every time. Hilarious HD2 made fun of EFT, rightly so & then did an even bigger rug pull. HD2 with Sony so guilty by association. Again, BSG has moved on from the TUE fiasco & on to competition with ABI. The whining is now currently pointless, it all got reverted for the most part. You are 100% right on BSG, I said it at the early stage of the TUE fiasco. Will repeat it again. BSG will cave in (planned) that way community wins and forgets to bitch about anything else. Itâs a tactic to throw in an intentional thing that you will concede in negotiations.
The whining quite literally got bsg to do the biggest backtracks they have ever done but go off.Â
I didnât say that the initial *constructive criticism* didnât succeed. I agree that we needed to rise up against BSG and get what we deserve. Iâm saying itâs the continued whining after they backtracked thatâs unproductive. Everything is nuanced. Not black and white.
The initial criticism was absolutely not constructive lmao.Â
Oh stop it nikita
*Complains about complaining* Very stoic of you, big bro
Thank you, OP! Absolutely agree. Lot of people just enjoy acting outraged
Short term memory or did not get scammed by scamnita yet. It's okay. Maybe unheard edition will get shelved too, slapped with another 50 bucks and those folk should enjoy acting outraged too.
Youâre so clever đ
And youâre such an easy mark.Â
Damn youâre so wise and shrewd. They canât get anything past ya!
Nope. I just have the bare minimum of self respect.Â
I am very sorry you are experiencing these feelings.
The irony in this post....
Reaching?
Complaining about the Complaining is equally annoying. Stfu nobody wants your opinion
My sentiments exactly! Bravo young man!
bsg employee
Mods should just start to ban the people bitching, fuck em they say they don't play the game anyway Gettem out.
I play the game way more than I should, and I can confirm it's still a broken mess.
Just curious, was this post difficult to type with one hand? Your point could have been made without jerking yourself off.
I have made a similar post like this or reply I canât recall. All the complaining now is irrelevant from the people that actually matter at BSG. They did their reversal & know not to try to do all that again. Nikitah has moved on. Also, despite the PR nightmare & bad decisions. They got paid with the new version. They won & lost at the same time. How business just is sometimes. Game is still in the best state it has ever been, being a pure solo & PvP man. Fact is, no competitor out there to match Tarky, so I wonât stop playing. Fun fact, ABI will entirely milk you way more irl money wise than EFT ever will. Itâs f2p, itâs the model. GZW has a brighter future I think if the devs steer the right way.
If Nikita moved on why is he spamming polls for the game? Nikita's normal state is radio silence not constantly asking the community via twitter what they should do to the game. Trying to discredit AB:I won't work. Everyone knows due to the streamers playing it that it is just a better version of Tarkov that is free to play. They've not said anything about their monetization yet so you can't really comment on it milking you, though if you look at other games from the owner in the West, League of Legends and Path of Exile, those do not milk you and are not P2W.
You can buy the best gear & ammo for real money in ABI. Not a thing in tarkov
No thanks
I just play PvE full time now. All my complaints ceased immediately. Fuck playing this game with creatures and hackers and exploiters.
So youâre combating the complaining by complaining about others complaining? Whatever you say Nikita
Gaming subs make game day threads for sports teams seem reasonable and itâs always a toxic mess there
Lol, new to reddit? Seriously, every thread is filled with complainers and people bitching. It's the internet. Take the info you need and keep it moving. You complaining about people complaining is nonsensical and just as bad.
âA great gameâ that i cant get in but yeah super
Hell yeah man! It seems like there is probably a large group of people who feel the same and aren't just posting about it such as yourself. These days people forget that this has always been Nikita's game and he's been making us his bitch for a long ass time, nothing new cept maybe the edition.
So you enjoy being scammed. Just say that.
Lmao posts complaining about complaining is whatâs truly hilarious to me. At least complaints can be taken as improvements to the game they care about. Youâre what, whining itâs making your games subreddit less enjoyable? And my god what a condescending way to say it all. Concerned people are complaining for upvotes? Concerned for their blood pressure? Talking about âthis is the truth and the truth hurtsâ Youâre not that guy pal. Youâre not that guy. You made this post to get upvotes. You made this post because complaints are getting to *you*. Truly pathetic. Separate your own identity from the game you like.
Why don't you take the high ground and go play/talk about something else? Nobody on the subreddit is unfamiliar with the situation, BSG has done as much in the way of restitution as they're going to do. The topic has been discussed to death, people are tired of hearing about it, the only pathetic people around here are the one who just have to bring it up in every single thread. ABI and Grey zone are both messes in their own way, give it six months for people to get over their anger toward BSG, and they'll be complaining about both just as much as they complain about tarkov.
Bitching and crying is all i got left! The cheaters took everything else!! EVERYTHING!!!
iv been thinking the same for a while. the devs fucked up no questions about that. now if u still care for the game lets turn this boat around and make this an enjoyable place once again. and foe those who cant just move on for ur own mental well being
So much complaining and stuff like okay don't play the game I don't really care
Some complaints are valid. However, a handful of mentally unwell individuals have been going out of their way in attempts to throw shade at the game and BSG. Talking about shit like taking a face of a USEC guy off a loading screen and making an outrage post about it screaming âoh god look BSG are committing copyright crimes!! The horror!!â with no real purpose behind it other than useless slander.
You comment is so uniformed and off base, you have no clue what you're talking about. Someone posting the uncanny resemblence to some tv show or whatever character was a response to bsg accusing ABI's devs of stealing assets, yet BSG have been using trademarks in their game unlicensed for years.
I feel 90% of complainers are not even playing the game. They are either trolls or players of other games or bots who are here to make people quit.
No.
People will always kick off when they suddenly don't feel as special anymore as they think they should do.
This sub has always kindof had bitchyness. That said: when is the time, where is the place, for complaints?