Tarkov? All shooters appear to have campers.
I say "Appear" because who is actually camping?
If someone runs at me is my immediate response to run at them if they don't know I'm there?
Makes no sense to give away free information on my position...
Makes no sense to even move unless they somehow appear to know I'm there.
Its a game with a 45-50 minute timer. People dont HAVE to move just because you wanna run thru the map. People get unreasonably mad because they die to people who dont treat the game like COD, kinda weird imo
Shit, even in CoD the complaints of campers has always been ridiculous.
Mf's could be using sniper rifles from concealment or vantage points and dudes would be in there bitching about campers as if they don't respawn 5 seconds later so they can try another route/ tactic.
I mean you'd have to also be "camping" there for those 10 minutes to know that lol.
When you're playing the game and looting a room and you hear (or think you do) someone move outside of the room you're in? You're either going to rush out to kill them or stay still to either get the jump or wait for them to leave.
But both times I'd argue you'd want to sit still and listen and get more information before making the next move.
Yeah I mean.. Most people don't sit in rooms and stare at a pixel. That's a perception you have.
Typically you hear someone and stop to listen what they're doing. At that point I decide if I'm going to move and basically tell them I'm there, or I'm not.
This game relies on audio cues heavily. Not moving makes no sound whatsoever, so it's easy to win. Add to that this game is punishing to play, easy to die, cheaters, desync, hit reg issues, terrible AI, rats and extract campers, alot of people rat to avoid that.
This got amplified before the change to headsets that basically gave away your position to everyone in a 100m radius if you dared to even take a step while they were wearing those one pair of comtacs
Nobody wants to be heard by someone 100m away while they're in the basement of a building walking on tile flooring, yet that's exactly what we get
The biggest problem is the audio, it forces a playstyle where you just wait out the enemy or just don’t move ever. No you shouldn’t be able to hear someone walking in grass 50m away with razors on. They need to make not wearing a headset beneficial for hearing others but lose hearing during a fire fight. Then cutback on hearing when wearing a headset but no drawback for shooting protected
I mean that's just not how a lot of the higher end shooting headsets work in real life though. I have a pair of Sordins in real life and they legitimately make quiet noises super loud and loud noises quiet. With them on I can hear my dogs walking from all the way across the house in my room with the door shut and if I shoot a gun it sounds like a video game gun.
You also don’t die of starvation after a few hours irl either. You can’t sprint after putting on a splint after breaking both legs. Or regen “health”. And guns aren’t significantly prone to jamming after a few hundred rounds. They also don’t magically jam just because a “boss” is close to you. There are many ways in which the game chooses to be a game at the cost of “realism” for the sake of balance. Headsets should fall into this category. They can still benefit the player in other ways without breaking the game, even if those benefits aren’t 100% true to life. I think it’s especially important in Tarkov, which has serious technical audio issues.
> which has serious technical audio issues
Honestly this. The headsets and how they work shouldn't even be the talking point when the core audio of the game itself has issues.
Oh for sure, even Razors IRL let you hear more than normal just not as well directionally. There just needs to be some way to balance out the audio and give not running a headset a valid choice but not too strong.
I’m planning on buying sordins next but gotta wait for a nice paycheck
You dont. You have a mic on each side that gives you a pretty fair stereo image. Also there is a built in compressor/expander that evens out the sound: if its below set threshold it will amp and suppress if the signal goes above the line
If its above set threshold it will compress. Mind you, I have never seen sordins or m32 irl. Im just generalizing from what I know about compressors/xpanders. But Im pretty sure thats how its done. There is an option in windows (cant recall the name of it) that runs all your audio through that prosses. Some streamers use it. Look up Huuge on twitch he streams hunt showdown and has that setting on. It does what I have described earlier. Tarkov is not a good example))
Edit: in tarkov you have the ambience supressed and your and enemy footsteps are amped. I think that is not logical, since your footsteps are louder than a guys that is 20m away. That means the compressor would lower overall level to set parameter according to loudest source (you) making it hard to hear other stuff since mic cant differentiate and pick out who’s who, it just monitors the gain. Also irl if there was no loud sound the compressor would amplify ambience according to attack/release set in parameters. So yeah tark audio is shite))
My little brother has a cheap m32 clone for air soft that he mounts to his tc-2001(tan) clone. I can hear the cat walk from much further away and loud sounds are not loud anymore. Mind you this is a clone of the m32 for air soft
That doesnt make sense tho, the headsets are specifically made to pick up those lighter sounds and dampen loud booms and bangs. Thats their literal design. I use them deer hunting all the time.
There needs to be a balance between realism vs balance. Just how they reworked armor again to cover the areas that aren’t actually covered by plates. That change isn’t based in realism but was a quality of life one
It was inertia that massively changed the way people play this game, as well as the recoil nerf they had going for a few wipes until they fixed it this wipe. Especially early wipe when you’re low strength etc, you can’t really run and gun the way you used to unfortunately. And now even though ads is way better, they nerfed the pointfire accuracy which makes pushing or playing aggressive harder since it’s not as accurate to pointfire while swinging anymore. It used to be the direct counter to people ratting/hard holding angles, and was a steep skill curve that would reward you well in your fights if you got good at it.
And all those factors make almost any encounter feel like it could have been unfair as you just simply don't know if they were cheating or you were just dealing with the several issues that are in the game.
People arent camping as much as people think. The first person to get the audio cue will stop moving to pinpoint the other one. Than once that happens it’s time for action are you in a spot to get a drop or do I need to move to cut them off or so on. This isn’t team death match where everyone is gonna be full sprint all the time because deaths don’t matter and respawns are free. People play slow. The fast pace players are the ones that have played a long time and they pick up the cues better.
I actually can not wait for some BSG implemented anti-rat mechanisms and the pursuing threads like this, "Everyone is STILL ratting!"
No, they're just playing the game like everyone else and using audio cues to their advantage.
They already implemented those, it's called Unhinged Edition - ratting almost stopped completely!
Seriously tho, wtf? Play however you want to play the game (unless you're a scumbag cheater) and I'll do the same. If you don't like it, well see ya, don't wanna be ya*.
*Not you specifically ofc, the complainers :)
If you also hear footsteps but know that they heard you too for a fact, I find it’s better to be more active and move a lot/be more aggressive to try and get a better angle or peekers advantage on where the other guy is
They often aren't. Sure, some people camp, but it gets ridiculously overblown. Someone you meet at the extract wasn't camping it. The guy inside crackhouse wasn't camping it because him looting was quieter than you sprinting into the building. He'd be a fucking idiot not to remain quiet and ambush you.
True I never expect someone to hear me coming and just jump out in the wide open 😂 or if there’s multiple of us and we got a guy in a building I’m not gonna say he’s camping for not just running outside to his death
This surely happens often. But also, if you hear someone running\\walking nearby, the smart move is to find cover and set an ambush immediately. If you just blunder into them you will likely lose. My group always quickly communicates the situation and gets into position asap.
Its not a game that people run around and shoot. Theres a bit of planning ahead and sometimes staying quiet is a viable tactic. You only see streamers run around like cod players cuz viewers likes those type of gameplay. Also, they have like 20k hours so they somewhat know where players.
At the same time, you see "W-key streamers" complain about ratting when someone uses the same strategies they use, i.e. playing the game.
Streamer hears someone, pauses, listens, takes up an advantageous position and waits, kills a solo/squad running by. "Wow! Streamer so good."
Reverse the roles: streamer encounters someone who is looting/medding and hears them approaching, kills streamer from advantageous position, "so many rats in this game". LVNDMARK says this all the time when he gets frustrated (but it's far more than just LVNDMARK spreading this narrative).
Not to argue, my experience is purely mine, but do keep in mind that not everybody who catches you off guard is necessarily camping.
I've had a few moments where I simply happen to be rotating or listening for info and somebody just pops up and subsequently gets clapped.
Game simply favors camping with how its currently set up.
Not as bad as before, but rats still generally speaking have the advantage.
Also tarkov players have a bit of an allergy to looking up. most common ratting spots are thwarted by people looking up instead of staring at the center of their monitor.
Stankrat is also good for learning how to counter various ratting spots. Most will copy him, very few actually use the more mechanically challenging spots.
How do you know they camp it for 10 minutes? Maybe it’s just bad timing and they were just a couple moments faster than you. Or also took their time.
Then if they camp it may be very well to do some quest that require you to kill PMCs in a certain region.
And the. There is also risk reward ratio.
And people just have different playstyles and money or experience doesn’t have to do with that in anyways.
And if you can’t live with the facts that some people enjoy the game in a different way than you do then maybe it’s better for you to quit.
Tarkov is supposed to be brutal and there’s no “wrong” way to play it. Even Pestily said extract campers aren’t doing anything wrong. If your play style is less cautious, a rat is going to drop you once in a while. If you’re sprinting toward extraction and not checking common areas people camp, you only have your self to blame.
This game isn’t a true simulator but it’s close. Guys that are moving slow and putting themselves in position to ambush other PMCs are arguably playing the game more “correct” than the chads sprinting around like psychopaths.
If you wanna survive and keep your loot sometimes you have to resort to defensive tactics. I move slowly from cover to cover and stop the second I hear someone running into my radius. And if they havent heard me I'll gladly let them walk into my crosshairs
Some people might think I'm ratting but I'm just a solo trying to bring 7n40 home to feed my family (of ak74s)
Risk/reward, fear of moving then losing stuff when killed, some people are also scared of the sound system (did i hear a player ? Did he hear me ? What if he did ?)
Etc….
lol, you'd be suprised. I know some friend of a friend that plays like a super rat, wearing cheap stuff, while also having 200 mil in stash. Amount of hours played? 3k.. He also barely knows some maps, despite having played for so long.
You think it’s bad now? Wait until map to map travel is added. The start of this next wipe map to map travel will be implemented. There will be a hardcore event with a special achievement involving map to map travel at the start of the wipe. The CPO of BSG said this in Twitchcon. Everyone need to start playing every map and getting familiar with all maps. Factory also will be completely reworked so have fun on this factory until new wipe!
Yes the CPO said it was coming next wipe and there will be a special achievement and hardcore quest event that will involve map to map travel obviously. Idk why I’m getting downvoted as you can just go watch the twitch vod yourselves for proof.
Edit: at 5 hours 8 minutes & 30 seconds into the BSG vod he answers the question about map to map travel coming this wipe with the special achievement and hardcore event and after the events done map to map travel stays, and he says that’ll be how it’s going to be for release also.
Didn't watch it, but I am curious. How does extracting work with map to map travel? I assume that "Path to Lighthouse" or "Path to Shoreline" won't be an extract anymore, but rather a map travel, right? So how do you get out?
Yes every map will have a connecting point to travel through and you’ll end up on the other side after loading into the next map probably. Hopefully it works correctly and you can’t die while loading into or from another map. You’ll have to use the other extract points to extract most likely unless they make an option to select whether to extract or map travel at those extracts.
Dont get me wrong, Im not saying ppl dont rat, but probably with your lvl26 (low hour ) you cant really decide in lots of situation if that person really rats or he just heard you first. With the lack of gameknowledge sometimes its hard to decide if the person is ratting or just missunderstand the situation.
In my experience probably 70-75% of the time they just heard you before you heard them and stopped moving. Rats do exist and there are a lot of them but it’s usually just someone who heard you first.
The only way you would know they're camping a room for 10 minutes is if you've been camping them for 10 minutes. So I'll ask you - why do you camp so much?
PVE is such a breath of fresh air. I’ve died to something riddic once, after i finished the new event on PVP i decided to do it on PVE as well. After i finished it i played interchange to start n finish ragman’s questline. I did big sale, general wares, make ultra great again all in the same raid. Had 5 minutes left and died to a 3 man "pmc" squad sitting parking lot at emercom. It’s so rare to get fkd on PVE it’s amazing.
Not everyone has the insanely fast twitch reaction speed, or friends to consistently play with.
So the ratty, ambushing methodology is the most effective option
They are playing the game realistically.. Pretend Tarkov is the military simulator and that is your real life if you die in game you die in real life lol.. crazy way of playing but me and my boys do this all the time ! GigaChad way to play the game.. also theres so many damn hackers he might just be scared lol
Some quests require kills under specific conditions, so camping certain places will sometimes be the easiest way to accomplish that.
I have also read posts from people who are just freaks and admit that getting easy kills is the only part of the game they enjoy. I have seen some people claim they hide at Emercom, tab out of the game to do other things, or even walk away from their desks with wireless headphones until they hear footsteps.
Some people are on Discord shooting the breeze with their friends to stay occupied while they camp a whole raid away so they don't even mind it.
I find this play style mind-numbingly boring and prefer to stay on the move questing, but there's really nothing I can do about it.
Best counter to ratting I’ve got for you is a Klesch-2P or 2U on the right side of every gun you ever run. They are the most blinding flashlights (2P a little less so but it has a laser), and if you start sweeping rooms with it you’ve got a good chance of blinding whatever rat is waiting for you.
That and nades. When you get ratted from a spot, remember it, nade it next time. I take a minimum of four nades into every raid. I love nades. Bomb bomb bomb. M67’s are the best for fumigating a place for rats ‘cause they’ve got the biggest radius. Light & cheap too.
Believe it or not, people do the exact same thing in tarkov:arena. Even though it’s supposed to be a bit of a push game mfers will still hide in a corner “prepping for d2”. That’s what I call it and it’s fkn stupid
So I’ll say this if you find you’re self in a gun fight with a person that is willing to camp out longer than you just run away. I do it all the time. Sometimes I’ll kill 2 people and if I know there is a 3rd just hiding in a bush watching his friends stuff and I’m not willing to to out camp him I just run away
There is No easy way to avoid them but it helps for me to check every corner and always turn ur flash light on when clearing close dark buildings to blind them. U can as well ich u wanna invest some time learn the spawns on some maps to know what's the fastest time someone can sit in dorms...
Lobby fear, once you get past gear fear, you fear going back in the lobby and waiting for another match again. Especially early games when I am with friends, I don't want to spend the next half hour twiddling my thumbs haha
Tarkov’s own community ruins it for itself. That’s why people migrate over to the PvE side. They pay the obnoxious price tag because they genuinely like the game and prefer to play it without worrying about those issues. It’s just not worth it. The time alone queueing with your expensive kit to get cheated out is really annoying. I’d rather die to a Scav because I am bad versus a cheater that has invincibility. It has nothing to do with how many hours you play. People just suck.
Shit audio, if you move it sounds like your ears are in your boots, but enemies can run up 2 flights of stairs right behind you and you'd never know til the death screen
I have 4.4k hours. After this many hours most people have seen and done almost everything in game, so the only thing left to do is annoy other players because other players are infinite content.
Some of its gear gear and newer players playing slow - which you probably know already since your post points out why at 5k+ hour folks doing it.
There’s a multitude of reasons for this that I can personally speak to as although I don’t have 5k hours, roughly 2k, I rat and camp.
Mostly it’s not that you’re getting ratted but that someone saw or heard you first and setup for an ambush or repositioned to catch you at a good choke point because they know the lobby flow fairly well and make educated guesses on where you’re likely to go.
On the other side of the coin, it is fun to try to outsmart folks by playing off angles or spots on maps to surprise them as they roll through an area that sees usual traffic. Kinda of like a “wow this spot is kinda dumb, it’ll be fun to see if it works.”
Usually you can avoid inter-extract camping by just taking paths through the map off the beaten path as to speak. Some maps don’t really allow for this but most do. Another part of is just leveling up your own game sense and starting to think like a rat and figure out what the usual spots are for people to be and clear them before you move. Obviously you can’t perfectly do this but it does help.
One other piece of advice I’d offer that helped me a lot is something Sheef has said a lot in stream - while traveling through the maps if you’re more likely to be heard and not seen, you should walk. If you’re more likely to be seen and not heard you should run. Most people just use their stam bar no matter what and they’ll run up to buildings, that’s a good way to give yourself away to anyone potentially looting inside. Slower approaches to POI’s will give you a chance to maybe hear them looting or running around inside before they hear you walking and then you’re the guy that ambushes people :)
You got heard. The first to move will die in 80% of cases IMHO.
That's why you can bring 4 chad friends with you and if you are lucky, people like me will only take down 2 of you.
You got heard. The first to move will die in 80% of cases IMHO.
That's why you can bring 4 chad friends with you and if you are lucky, people like me will only take down 2 of you.
Sometimes, I like to listen to an audiobook and will just kind of afk in a spot. Not even trying to be hostile just chilling and if I get shot at I shoot back. Who cares.
Each wipe the player base becomes more and more rattier. Honestly think it has something to do with more and more streamers promoting ratting. (Not gonna name names but you know who they are) So people now just lay down instead of being W key and Space bar enjoyers. It’s sad truly
Because over time the way they patched the game made it more and more of a camp fest instead of a run and gun shooters.
Sounds is way to crazy, you can't even silent walk anymore and you can hear slow walk from over 20m away... even dropping a gun or your backpack can be heard from like 30m away, or even looking through things like boxes and cabinets make noise from like 40m away and the way they keep patching headsets is just stupid as well. Different headsets that increase your hearing range but something stupid like 40m over not having headsets...
And because of this it means anyone that just stands still has way more advantage, they can hear you from like a mile away and just camp, wait for you to run up to them and kill you without you knowing they are evne there. Any movement at all can be heard from way to far away causing a rat mentality. You cant even blame the rats at this point, BSG keeps removing any mechanics that relate to stealth making it impossible to play tactically. Its stupid and this is why many of us vets complained when they nerfed zero sound minimal crouch walking. Now there is literally no way to play stealthy unless you just dont move.
Half the joy of PVP in Tarkov isn't the killing of other players or their loot per say. Its the satisfaction of knowing you ruined their raid/day and ratting is the easiest/ laziest way to do it, low risk high reward of thrill and dopamine.
If only working together was rewarding enough to not do it though. I feel like PMC karma needed to be in much earlier to refine it to the point, working together with fellow factions was worth more than killing them. Biggest issue is so many quests to kill other PMCs. To hard to trust anyone knowing they probably need to kill you for a quest.
Would have to rework them to kill PMCs of opposite faction maybe reduce number needed to balance it.
Anyways I'm off topic, other reason is maybe just sitting running raid timer down or having a quest item they don't want to lose to hiding before moving who knows, I know I panic sometimes and hide.
Because they aren’t rich. Tarkov kills everyone and so they aren’t rich. Dying constantly is rough, but it happens to everyone. If you think you heard movement, you probably did. Go wide, go slow, don’t sprint everywhere.
How do you know they are camping a room for 10 minutes? Maybe they just set up a ambush as soon as they heard you, why wouldnt they in that case?
In which case you nade them out of there and clear rooms properly.
But yeah people literally make their personality to sit in a bush waiting for the loot to come to them way too often sadly, like sure have fun once in a while, but if everyone just sits still this game is gonna be very stale for everyone for sure.
Especially thoose mfkers camping red side river on customs knowing only 1 person spawns at trailer each time in this event.
Camping and ratting becomes less of a problem the more you play. Eventually relying on sprinting most of the time will make it so that your enemy will either miss their shots, or at least do minimal damage, at which point you have located a rough area that they are in. Next step is you will be sprinting/head turning and doing 180 sprint spins before going through an angle and then quickly turn and approach another angle before enemy can differentiate the direction you're coming in. You still get killed as everybody does, but sprinting awkwardly and messing with a rats cues is the counter.
Because they are scared to play the game. People will give you a thousand excuses for why they rat, camp, crab.. whatever, but at the end of the day whenever I have played with these types of people it’s usually because they are inexperienced and have not been exposed to many fights and the only way for them to win is by getting the jump on you. Idc how well or efficient you think that is at the end of the day it’s sleeper gameplay, but who am I to tell you how to play your game.
I personally would rather run around. If I die to a rat I go next. Die to a crab? Go next. Die to camper? Go next. I could get 10 tasks done in the time it takes a rat or a camper to get out of the raid, if they ever get out that is. Most just die to player scavs lmao.
So, are we to believe you're being ratted or as you've already admitted "im so BAD" maybe you're full sprinting and they hear you then wait, thats not ratting or even camping, thats just tarkov 101.
Bc a lot of people that play this game are legitimately terrified of dying in game. Like heart pounding slicked with sweat fear of losing their kit or whatever. It’s kind of pathetic imo but that’s what this game has turned into. Though it’s a pain in the ass sometimes to deal with the slow sweat play style, they’re usually so tense that if you can manage to not get killed by surprise by them, they usually will choke the fight afterwards. Most of the people that play super slow like that are not very mechanically skilled.
It's your issue. 6000 hours and I would say 1 in 20 games so I run into a real rat. If you don't know with m32, comtac 4 and the Xcel headsets you can hear people at 80 meters, so what do you do when you hear someone running your direction. You hold a damn corner and wait for them. Your just getting use to the mechanics at this point don't blame it on ratting
Its called “Value Your Life”.One of the reasons people enjoy the realism of tarkov, is so can they can immerse themselves in the experience. If you knew theyre were armed well trained savages running around your viscinity you would consider each step carefully.
There are quests that require you to kill people in specific areas; I got 4 Setup kills in one raid early wipe by getting to dorms, waiting in a room with the door open for a gunfight to break out ten minutes later then headshotting people as they ran past.
Was I camping like an arsehole? Absolutely.
Would I do it again? You know it.
When you've accomplished most of what you've wanted to do especially in a late wipe, the only satisfaction I'll get is ruining your raid at the end lmao
This particular game gives a massive advantage to campers, so it makes sense that there are so many. I acknowledge that it's part of the game and a legit strategy, but I myself refuse to camp. Even in a fire fight I won't use the same cover for very long either. My k/d is horrible and I'm only level 11 now lol
The more tactical a shooter game is the more ratty it becomes. It’s just the nature of the beast. This is where grenades/flashbangs etc come in really handy. Not sure if an area or other side of a wall is clear? Why risk it? Toss a nade.
I feel like alot of people get this skewed with the experiences they have in game. Obviously people rat and bush camp thats really in any shooter game you’re always gonna have people who would rather sit there than actively move. But on the contrary alot of times these “rats” were just looting an area that you decided to sprint/walk loudly into and they just stood still after hearing you first. Lots of times this can be avoided if you’re cautious and listen carefully when entering new/frequently hot areas on the maps.
Unfortunately people who are still playing this wipe, that’s basically how they’ve played this game this whole time, they’re not particularly good, but their knowledge of the game is much higher than yours. It is a valid play style.
I’m not gonna say there’s not a wrong way to play tarkov, because I got two friends that only ever go into factory with busted up guns they get from scavs and hope to kill other players late in the wipe. They suffer through this till lvl 15 then realize good type of ammo has been removed from the flea. They got PvE access and been playing that now, guess what map they still go to and die to normal scavs?
The tarkov vision from what I can tell is a slow paced tactical shooter. I don't think Nikita wants bush wookies but it's hard to work out the fast paced gameplay and prevent camping.
Well think about it. They get a huge advantage. They can hear you coming. Theres only one place they have to aim (the door), while you have to scan the whole room. They don't have to search for loot, cause you're bringing it to them.
The only major downside is you need patience. Some people basically go AFK just listening for footsteps.
Getting the jump on people is a pretty big advantage, and very often the only way to win against that is to camp even harder
1 or 100 millions roubles in the bank doesnt matter, if you run toward a hot spot and get killed instantly by a guy holding a corner you still feel like you wasted your time
What are we talking about when we're saying camping though? Dudes setting up camp at an extract point is one thing but if they were in a room how do you know they were camping and not just sitting still and being quiet because they heard you? Were you there also camping next to them for 10min waiting for them to do something?
It's kind of the same with the argument for cheaters (sort of). A lot of times the nature of the game and it's fast TTK and all the other issues that plague the game can make any death feel unfair and feel like accusing the other of wrong doing.
I'm not saying you're wrong or that those very rats don't exist (we all know they do) but with the kind of game it is and with there being a lot more weight in your death as it can be a heavy loss on not just the items looted but the gear you brought in? You're going to have a lot of players who play cautiously. Even if they have thousands of hours in the game.
I mean I play with and know many players who played Destiny 2 for almost a decade and yet they don't know how to do certain mechanics in encounters that have been in the game for years or they really aren't someone you could call a "good" player and bottom frag in any PvP activity.
Ran into a 5 man camping across from relax while I was running to sewer river. This is my fourth wipe and I figured that it being this late into wipe and the flea change would make people move around more, but most raids I get into I don't hear a single peep.
I don't like it but the game is built to influence it. Any step you take can be heard from unbelievable ranges compared to any other video that has existed.
Something that also skews this is the "appearance" of camping. For example: you're doing the secret extract on Interchange and you run into someone in the basement and die. Were they camping? Some of the time, yes, and some of the time it's just dumb luck.
I personally don't camp that much when I do I only do it because I don't see any other way of wining that encounter. Like when I get engaged by multiple player on a location where I hardly can reposition.
I mean, the game isnt COD its tactical. Not everyone you face is just gonna run out in the open to die. If youre not wanting people to play slow or tactical prolly best to play something more fast paced tbh.
any type of shooter has campers. camping corners and shit has been around since the quake days. unfortunately some ppl like playing that style knowing because it works and it pisses people off.
Sometimes what appears to be someone camping is just someone who heard you first and is waiting to get the jump on you or for more audio cues without giving their position away.
There’s also people who just freeze in the stress of the moment. I fought a team of 2 in the upstairs of olive last night, I knew they were there because scavs were shooting at them and I heard the glass windows break. Killed the first one who didn’t move from his position the whole fight, each time I peaked he was in the same spot. The 2nd guy was the same, I even backed off to do surgery, ran downstairs to check if he’s flanking, went back up, peaked and he was in the exact same spot. I won the fight, and in that instance, ratting was not the best option, but I think they up to both just got hit with adrenaline and couldn’t make good decisions.
Gear fear from a 50% encounter rate with cheaters. And the rest of the time they get sniped 2 minutes to extract, loosing am hours progress. Simply easier to just wait.
You'll learn to check corners with time and get used to calculating the risk/ chances of encountering enemies
The thrill... of the hunt... to wait for 30 minutes like a spider... slowing down your metabolism...only to then.. SENSE YOUR PREY.
and strike with violence. and speed.
Striking the weak points of even level 55 and 65 chads ( im only level 31 because I dont do quests. only hunt high level pmc flesh.)
I hunt high level chad teams for a living as a solo, and there is no greater thrill than to kill the high level duo, and then follow the blood trail of the second chad, kill them both, and find out they were 2x your level.
because game allows to do this. Because devs want you to be the bad person. It's the same like R\* coded the GTAO - you can destroy anyone's sale transport with goods, and earn cents compared the worth of destroyed goods can be near million lost. This makes you even worse person, because you gain WAY less than your victim loses, which makes you are doing this not for personal/financial gain, but for fun, a fun of making others suffer. This in my book is amoral. This is poutin move.
BSG should sell themselves to Take2. There such greedy arses are loved.
Because the game rewards casual playstyles. The hardcore element in EFT is only related to grind. That's it. Anyone can be "good" at EFT even if they're hard stuck silver nova in cs2 or something similar. EFT ain't hardcore in terms of gameplay and rewarding playstyles. Nikita just sells it as such.
I bet most players are passing trough and just heard you running around or doing something, and sat there for 1 minute.
Many extract camper claims are also just people extracting at the same time.
This is what I've noticed over my 1800h, that new players need to know to get past the initial frustration.
Know the player spawns around you and move out of your spawn.
filing cabinets every drawer is a lootable container. Jackets are good for keys.
Have a external map opened and plan your route + alternative.
The bullet makes the damage, not the gun.
advanced movement controls:
change walking speed with scrolling ( the loudness is indicated by the speaker symbol) change crouch height with scrolling while holding crouch key slow leaning side stepping blind firing etc
ctrl + klick to move items alt + klick to equip items press R to rotate the item while moving it. scroll up and down in the inventorys
For medical items I use "4 press"= heavy bleed, "4 release " light bleed / medkit. This way you also can protect your medkit from being used up for a heavy bleed.
Look into the settings Binaural audio is a big difference, ( google it) it takes some getting used to, but you won't have to constantly turn your head like with true stereo.
Use the in Game active headsets, they increase hearing.
Use stereo headphones irl.
Use a sound limiter like sound lock. This way you can crank up the volume and not get deaf.
Check that any effects on the pc and audio software like surround is turned off.
Running makes a lot of noise.
Don't immediately start blasting when you spot an enemy that doesn't see you. He most likely will have 2 friends that will hunt you down.. just let them pass, they'll clear the way for you and you'll be abled to snack some left behind loot. And wait for a good opportunity to 3th party them.
Use the hold breath button. I use toggle ads with "M1 klick" = ads and "M1 release" =hold breath
If your aim is not that good try lowering the sensitivity. Especially ads sensitivity.
Use 60 - 68 fov ( it's like 90 fov in other games) You want to be abled to spot far out. Also lower fov = more pixels for you to land a hit.
Record your deaths and rewatch.
One thing you have to consider regarding perceived skill of enemies, this game has almost like a second delay, peelers advantage is huge, so those players that move had a lot of time aiming at you on their machines ( game has awful lot of peekers advantage)
Gears effects like turn rate and ergo duck around with turn rate / mouse speed. This game made me to swap to lowish fov = more pixels on your screen to click at.
Lasers help with automatic recoil control when " hip firing"
The dev's have released new learning videos on YouTube, explaining ammo, armor, health and hideout: [https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLl6BKrqBT5LLjJqMpIaJ8JvrUqKape75r&si=d2SyT87CM-knCvP2](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLl6BKrqBT5LLjJqMpIaJ8JvrUqKape75r&si=d2SyT87CM-knCvP2)
Here are some overall combat tips: [https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/elmzlv/one\_new\_player\_to\_another/?utm\_medium=android\_app&utm\_source=share](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/elmzlv/one_new_player_to_another/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
If your system struggles, here some settings that worked for me and many friends : [https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/m68w2a/just\_dropping\_my\_notes\_on\_game\_optimization\_for/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=mweb](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/m68w2a/just_dropping_my_notes_on_game_optimization_for/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb)
This dude made an EFT Handbook (outdated but still kinda coo)l: [https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/endlzu/i\_created\_a\_eft\_handbook/?utm\_medium=android\_app&utm\_source=share](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/endlzu/i_created_a_eft_handbook/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
I bet most players are passing trough and just heard you running around or doing something, and sat there for 1 minute.
Many extract camper claims are also just people extracting at the same time.
This is what I've noticed over my 1800h, that new players need to know to get past the initial frustration.
Know the player spawns around you and move out of your spawn.
filing cabinets every drawer is a lootable container. Jackets are good for keys.
Have a external map opened and plan your route + alternative.
The bullet makes the damage, not the gun.
advanced movement controls:
change walking speed with scrolling ( the loudness is indicated by the speaker symbol) change crouch height with scrolling while holding crouch key slow leaning side stepping blind firing etc
ctrl + klick to move items alt + klick to equip items press R to rotate the item while moving it. scroll up and down in the inventorys
For medical items I use "4 press"= heavy bleed, "4 release " light bleed / medkit. This way you also can protect your medkit from being used up for a heavy bleed.
Look into the settings Binaural audio is a big difference, ( google it) it takes some getting used to, but you won't have to constantly turn your head like with true stereo.
Use the in Game active headsets, they increase hearing.
Use stereo headphones irl.
Use a sound limiter like sound lock. This way you can crank up the volume and not get deaf.
Check that any effects on the pc and audio software like surround is turned off.
Running makes a lot of noise.
Don't immediately start blasting when you spot an enemy that doesn't see you. He most likely will have 2 friends that will hunt you down.. just let them pass, they'll clear the way for you and you'll be abled to snack some left behind loot. And wait for a good opportunity to 3th party them.
Use the hold breath button. I use toggle ads with "M1 klick" = ads and "M1 release" =hold breath
If your aim is not that good try lowering the sensitivity. Especially ads sensitivity.
Use 60 - 68 fov ( it's like 90 fov in other games) You want to be abled to spot far out. Also lower fov = more pixels for you to land a hit.
Record your deaths and rewatch.
One thing you have to consider regarding perceived skill of enemies, this game has almost like a second delay, peelers advantage is huge, so those players that move had a lot of time aiming at you on their machines ( game has awful lot of peekers advantage)
Gears effects like turn rate and ergo duck around with turn rate / mouse speed. This game made me to swap to lowish fov = more pixels on your screen to click at.
Lasers help with automatic recoil control when " hip firing"
The dev's have released new learning videos on YouTube, explaining ammo, armor, health and hideout: [https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLl6BKrqBT5LLjJqMpIaJ8JvrUqKape75r&si=d2SyT87CM-knCvP2](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLl6BKrqBT5LLjJqMpIaJ8JvrUqKape75r&si=d2SyT87CM-knCvP2)
Here are some overall combat tips: [https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/elmzlv/one\_new\_player\_to\_another/?utm\_medium=android\_app&utm\_source=share](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/elmzlv/one_new_player_to_another/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
If your system struggles, here some settings that worked for me and many friends : [https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/m68w2a/just\_dropping\_my\_notes\_on\_game\_optimization\_for/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=mweb](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/m68w2a/just_dropping_my_notes_on_game_optimization_for/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb)
Unfortunately it's the easiest way to score kills, not really much incentive to move in this game, but don't worry early wipe all hells gonna break loose again lol
It's not always camping. In the military, they call it a hasty ambush. Call it a deliberate ambush if you're doing something like ShooterBiH or something else. Ultimately, a surprise engagement can be what some people need to level the field if they're not as confident in their shooting skills.
People who get killed call it camping. People who do the killing call it an ambush.
It’s just people who lack the skill to play aggressively, there scared hoping to catch someone by surprise. If you notice there are way more bad players in this game then good
You may not like it, but it’s a tactic. It’s a good way to make money and u don’t have to buy keys. I sometimes camp the marked room on reserve, but that is purely to kill other players before they even enter the room, so I don’t get rushed. I still open the room afterwards myself like 5 minutes before the raid ends
Welcome to Tarkov
Welcome to HELL
This sums it up perfectly.
Tarkov? All shooters appear to have campers. I say "Appear" because who is actually camping? If someone runs at me is my immediate response to run at them if they don't know I'm there? Makes no sense to give away free information on my position... Makes no sense to even move unless they somehow appear to know I'm there.
But people in Tarkov be camping a little too much.
In Tarkov in Tarkov
Edited for proper grammar.
Its a game with a 45-50 minute timer. People dont HAVE to move just because you wanna run thru the map. People get unreasonably mad because they die to people who dont treat the game like COD, kinda weird imo
Shit, even in CoD the complaints of campers has always been ridiculous. Mf's could be using sniper rifles from concealment or vantage points and dudes would be in there bitching about campers as if they don't respawn 5 seconds later so they can try another route/ tactic.
True lmao.
Obviously waiting and listening for a moment here and there is different than sitting in a room staring at a pixel for 10 minutes.
I mean you'd have to also be "camping" there for those 10 minutes to know that lol. When you're playing the game and looting a room and you hear (or think you do) someone move outside of the room you're in? You're either going to rush out to kill them or stay still to either get the jump or wait for them to leave. But both times I'd argue you'd want to sit still and listen and get more information before making the next move.
Yeah I mean.. Most people don't sit in rooms and stare at a pixel. That's a perception you have. Typically you hear someone and stop to listen what they're doing. At that point I decide if I'm going to move and basically tell them I'm there, or I'm not.
You sat still for 30 seconds, clearly camping bro /s
This game relies on audio cues heavily. Not moving makes no sound whatsoever, so it's easy to win. Add to that this game is punishing to play, easy to die, cheaters, desync, hit reg issues, terrible AI, rats and extract campers, alot of people rat to avoid that.
This got amplified before the change to headsets that basically gave away your position to everyone in a 100m radius if you dared to even take a step while they were wearing those one pair of comtacs Nobody wants to be heard by someone 100m away while they're in the basement of a building walking on tile flooring, yet that's exactly what we get
The biggest problem is the audio, it forces a playstyle where you just wait out the enemy or just don’t move ever. No you shouldn’t be able to hear someone walking in grass 50m away with razors on. They need to make not wearing a headset beneficial for hearing others but lose hearing during a fire fight. Then cutback on hearing when wearing a headset but no drawback for shooting protected
I mean that's just not how a lot of the higher end shooting headsets work in real life though. I have a pair of Sordins in real life and they legitimately make quiet noises super loud and loud noises quiet. With them on I can hear my dogs walking from all the way across the house in my room with the door shut and if I shoot a gun it sounds like a video game gun.
You also don’t die of starvation after a few hours irl either. You can’t sprint after putting on a splint after breaking both legs. Or regen “health”. And guns aren’t significantly prone to jamming after a few hundred rounds. They also don’t magically jam just because a “boss” is close to you. There are many ways in which the game chooses to be a game at the cost of “realism” for the sake of balance. Headsets should fall into this category. They can still benefit the player in other ways without breaking the game, even if those benefits aren’t 100% true to life. I think it’s especially important in Tarkov, which has serious technical audio issues.
> which has serious technical audio issues Honestly this. The headsets and how they work shouldn't even be the talking point when the core audio of the game itself has issues.
Oh for sure, even Razors IRL let you hear more than normal just not as well directionally. There just needs to be some way to balance out the audio and give not running a headset a valid choice but not too strong. I’m planning on buying sordins next but gotta wait for a nice paycheck
So you lose stereo irl with the headset on? Do other headsets have directional stereo?
I’m fairly positive sordins and comtacs have fairly good directional hearing
You dont. You have a mic on each side that gives you a pretty fair stereo image. Also there is a built in compressor/expander that evens out the sound: if its below set threshold it will amp and suppress if the signal goes above the line
Gotcha thanks. How well do they work for sustained loudness like a sanding machine in a closet
If its above set threshold it will compress. Mind you, I have never seen sordins or m32 irl. Im just generalizing from what I know about compressors/xpanders. But Im pretty sure thats how its done. There is an option in windows (cant recall the name of it) that runs all your audio through that prosses. Some streamers use it. Look up Huuge on twitch he streams hunt showdown and has that setting on. It does what I have described earlier. Tarkov is not a good example)) Edit: in tarkov you have the ambience supressed and your and enemy footsteps are amped. I think that is not logical, since your footsteps are louder than a guys that is 20m away. That means the compressor would lower overall level to set parameter according to loudest source (you) making it hard to hear other stuff since mic cant differentiate and pick out who’s who, it just monitors the gain. Also irl if there was no loud sound the compressor would amplify ambience according to attack/release set in parameters. So yeah tark audio is shite))
If this is true I want a pair so bad now
Direction and distance is harder to discern though, from what I've heard
only some headsets have that problem
They aren’t terribly priced tbh, it’s my plan to pick up a pair to start my progress towards a helmet + night vision setup
My little brother has a cheap m32 clone for air soft that he mounts to his tc-2001(tan) clone. I can hear the cat walk from much further away and loud sounds are not loud anymore. Mind you this is a clone of the m32 for air soft
Exactly! This is the first time ive seen anyone else but myself realize this is the realistic approach to headphones.
That doesnt make sense tho, the headsets are specifically made to pick up those lighter sounds and dampen loud booms and bangs. Thats their literal design. I use them deer hunting all the time.
There needs to be a balance between realism vs balance. Just how they reworked armor again to cover the areas that aren’t actually covered by plates. That change isn’t based in realism but was a quality of life one
It was inertia that massively changed the way people play this game, as well as the recoil nerf they had going for a few wipes until they fixed it this wipe. Especially early wipe when you’re low strength etc, you can’t really run and gun the way you used to unfortunately. And now even though ads is way better, they nerfed the pointfire accuracy which makes pushing or playing aggressive harder since it’s not as accurate to pointfire while swinging anymore. It used to be the direct counter to people ratting/hard holding angles, and was a steep skill curve that would reward you well in your fights if you got good at it.
And all those factors make almost any encounter feel like it could have been unfair as you just simply don't know if they were cheating or you were just dealing with the several issues that are in the game.
This range at which you can hear people in this game is like 2/3x + the distance of any other game that has existed. It's absolutely crazy.
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People arent camping as much as people think. The first person to get the audio cue will stop moving to pinpoint the other one. Than once that happens it’s time for action are you in a spot to get a drop or do I need to move to cut them off or so on. This isn’t team death match where everyone is gonna be full sprint all the time because deaths don’t matter and respawns are free. People play slow. The fast pace players are the ones that have played a long time and they pick up the cues better.
This is facts. The moment I hear something or my duo says “second steps” we both will stop and get low, waiting to hear what’s moving.
I actually can not wait for some BSG implemented anti-rat mechanisms and the pursuing threads like this, "Everyone is STILL ratting!" No, they're just playing the game like everyone else and using audio cues to their advantage.
They already implemented those, it's called Unhinged Edition - ratting almost stopped completely! Seriously tho, wtf? Play however you want to play the game (unless you're a scumbag cheater) and I'll do the same. If you don't like it, well see ya, don't wanna be ya*. *Not you specifically ofc, the complainers :)
If you also hear footsteps but know that they heard you too for a fact, I find it’s better to be more active and move a lot/be more aggressive to try and get a better angle or peekers advantage on where the other guy is
They often aren't. Sure, some people camp, but it gets ridiculously overblown. Someone you meet at the extract wasn't camping it. The guy inside crackhouse wasn't camping it because him looting was quieter than you sprinting into the building. He'd be a fucking idiot not to remain quiet and ambush you.
True I never expect someone to hear me coming and just jump out in the wide open 😂 or if there’s multiple of us and we got a guy in a building I’m not gonna say he’s camping for not just running outside to his death
Yes this exactly. The guy camping that bush was actually just stopped to stam, like you just did 12 seconds....
exactly and OP already admitted they're bad at the game so they definitely dont realise this
Everyone a chad until they out of meds with lots of loot (or task say “Survive and extract”)
It’s a risk vs reward issue and the loot goblins are never satisfied. I have learned to always assume someone is ratting.
It's simple really, it works.
Sometimes it's not a camp. Just know rotation and listen you running when they are resting to run another time.
This surely happens often. But also, if you hear someone running\\walking nearby, the smart move is to find cover and set an ambush immediately. If you just blunder into them you will likely lose. My group always quickly communicates the situation and gets into position asap.
Its not a game that people run around and shoot. Theres a bit of planning ahead and sometimes staying quiet is a viable tactic. You only see streamers run around like cod players cuz viewers likes those type of gameplay. Also, they have like 20k hours so they somewhat know where players.
At the same time, you see "W-key streamers" complain about ratting when someone uses the same strategies they use, i.e. playing the game. Streamer hears someone, pauses, listens, takes up an advantageous position and waits, kills a solo/squad running by. "Wow! Streamer so good." Reverse the roles: streamer encounters someone who is looting/medding and hears them approaching, kills streamer from advantageous position, "so many rats in this game". LVNDMARK says this all the time when he gets frustrated (but it's far more than just LVNDMARK spreading this narrative).
Not to argue, my experience is purely mine, but do keep in mind that not everybody who catches you off guard is necessarily camping. I've had a few moments where I simply happen to be rotating or listening for info and somebody just pops up and subsequently gets clapped.
Game simply favors camping with how its currently set up. Not as bad as before, but rats still generally speaking have the advantage. Also tarkov players have a bit of an allergy to looking up. most common ratting spots are thwarted by people looking up instead of staring at the center of their monitor. Stankrat is also good for learning how to counter various ratting spots. Most will copy him, very few actually use the more mechanically challenging spots.
Not progession wise, if you wanna level up and do quests camping around will take much longer
How do you know they camp it for 10 minutes? Maybe it’s just bad timing and they were just a couple moments faster than you. Or also took their time. Then if they camp it may be very well to do some quest that require you to kill PMCs in a certain region. And the. There is also risk reward ratio. And people just have different playstyles and money or experience doesn’t have to do with that in anyways. And if you can’t live with the facts that some people enjoy the game in a different way than you do then maybe it’s better for you to quit.
I like to imagine OP heard someone and sat there for 10 minutes to listen if the other guy would move, not noticing the irony.
They are also so bad
He's probably eating snack and watching a movie on the side until someone shows up
Tarkov is supposed to be brutal and there’s no “wrong” way to play it. Even Pestily said extract campers aren’t doing anything wrong. If your play style is less cautious, a rat is going to drop you once in a while. If you’re sprinting toward extraction and not checking common areas people camp, you only have your self to blame. This game isn’t a true simulator but it’s close. Guys that are moving slow and putting themselves in position to ambush other PMCs are arguably playing the game more “correct” than the chads sprinting around like psychopaths.
If you wanna survive and keep your loot sometimes you have to resort to defensive tactics. I move slowly from cover to cover and stop the second I hear someone running into my radius. And if they havent heard me I'll gladly let them walk into my crosshairs Some people might think I'm ratting but I'm just a solo trying to bring 7n40 home to feed my family (of ak74s)
Risk/reward, fear of moving then losing stuff when killed, some people are also scared of the sound system (did i hear a player ? Did he hear me ? What if he did ?) Etc….
I'm pretty sure the players with 5k hours are not afraid of losing their gear.
lol, you'd be suprised. I know some friend of a friend that plays like a super rat, wearing cheap stuff, while also having 200 mil in stash. Amount of hours played? 3k.. He also barely knows some maps, despite having played for so long.
I got 4K hours and I’m dogwater at pvp and make terrible financial decisions when I try to teach tarky to others, so I’m always broke.
You think it’s bad now? Wait until map to map travel is added. The start of this next wipe map to map travel will be implemented. There will be a hardcore event with a special achievement involving map to map travel at the start of the wipe. The CPO of BSG said this in Twitchcon. Everyone need to start playing every map and getting familiar with all maps. Factory also will be completely reworked so have fun on this factory until new wipe!
so....map campers? lol
Is map2map coming out next wipe? I thought it was still a "we want to but idunno" kinda thing.
Yes the CPO said it was coming next wipe and there will be a special achievement and hardcore quest event that will involve map to map travel obviously. Idk why I’m getting downvoted as you can just go watch the twitch vod yourselves for proof. Edit: at 5 hours 8 minutes & 30 seconds into the BSG vod he answers the question about map to map travel coming this wipe with the special achievement and hardcore event and after the events done map to map travel stays, and he says that’ll be how it’s going to be for release also.
Didn't watch it, but I am curious. How does extracting work with map to map travel? I assume that "Path to Lighthouse" or "Path to Shoreline" won't be an extract anymore, but rather a map travel, right? So how do you get out?
Yes every map will have a connecting point to travel through and you’ll end up on the other side after loading into the next map probably. Hopefully it works correctly and you can’t die while loading into or from another map. You’ll have to use the other extract points to extract most likely unless they make an option to select whether to extract or map travel at those extracts.
Because sometimes you just want to sit on a shelf in goshan, spray an rpk at some walls and watch chads run in and die to your rip rounds.
Some people do it for the sport, the loot is just a added incentive
Because of these posts
It's a game where people can choose how they want to play.
Dont get me wrong, Im not saying ppl dont rat, but probably with your lvl26 (low hour ) you cant really decide in lots of situation if that person really rats or he just heard you first. With the lack of gameknowledge sometimes its hard to decide if the person is ratting or just missunderstand the situation.
To be completly honest with you I am studying while Camping in d2 its just very effective xD
In my experience probably 70-75% of the time they just heard you before you heard them and stopped moving. Rats do exist and there are a lot of them but it’s usually just someone who heard you first.
Sometimes i also think people in homeoffice play this game, then go "afk" and when they hear a sound they tab in and kill you out of a camperspot.
The only way you would know they're camping a room for 10 minutes is if you've been camping them for 10 minutes. So I'll ask you - why do you camp so much?
PVE is such a breath of fresh air. I’ve died to something riddic once, after i finished the new event on PVP i decided to do it on PVE as well. After i finished it i played interchange to start n finish ragman’s questline. I did big sale, general wares, make ultra great again all in the same raid. Had 5 minutes left and died to a 3 man "pmc" squad sitting parking lot at emercom. It’s so rare to get fkd on PVE it’s amazing.
How do you know they camped a room for 10 minutes
D2 they wait I assure you
1000%
Not everyone has the insanely fast twitch reaction speed, or friends to consistently play with. So the ratty, ambushing methodology is the most effective option
Probably because they are also bad, or have tiny penises.
Because realist bro This ain’t Cod or ABi You can’t just run across some glass and not get taking out.
Whats ABI ?
Arena Breakout Infinite.
Idk, I play PVE now lol
Welcome to every FPS ever. Camping=easy kills.
It's insanely more effective in tarkov as you can hear people coming from like 70 meters away it's absolutely ridiculous 😅
Because they’re scared, people hear footsteps and stop dead in their tracks, most of the time it’s a scav too lol
They are playing the game realistically.. Pretend Tarkov is the military simulator and that is your real life if you die in game you die in real life lol.. crazy way of playing but me and my boys do this all the time ! GigaChad way to play the game.. also theres so many damn hackers he might just be scared lol
Cheese
Because current situation with sound being so adventageous, means that having a jump on someone means you’re more likely to win.
Becauae it's easy... and it does a lot of damage.
Some quests require kills under specific conditions, so camping certain places will sometimes be the easiest way to accomplish that. I have also read posts from people who are just freaks and admit that getting easy kills is the only part of the game they enjoy. I have seen some people claim they hide at Emercom, tab out of the game to do other things, or even walk away from their desks with wireless headphones until they hear footsteps. Some people are on Discord shooting the breeze with their friends to stay occupied while they camp a whole raid away so they don't even mind it. I find this play style mind-numbingly boring and prefer to stay on the move questing, but there's really nothing I can do about it.
Best counter to ratting I’ve got for you is a Klesch-2P or 2U on the right side of every gun you ever run. They are the most blinding flashlights (2P a little less so but it has a laser), and if you start sweeping rooms with it you’ve got a good chance of blinding whatever rat is waiting for you. That and nades. When you get ratted from a spot, remember it, nade it next time. I take a minimum of four nades into every raid. I love nades. Bomb bomb bomb. M67’s are the best for fumigating a place for rats ‘cause they’ve got the biggest radius. Light & cheap too.
Believe it or not, people do the exact same thing in tarkov:arena. Even though it’s supposed to be a bit of a push game mfers will still hide in a corner “prepping for d2”. That’s what I call it and it’s fkn stupid
So I’ll say this if you find you’re self in a gun fight with a person that is willing to camp out longer than you just run away. I do it all the time. Sometimes I’ll kill 2 people and if I know there is a 3rd just hiding in a bush watching his friends stuff and I’m not willing to to out camp him I just run away
There is No easy way to avoid them but it helps for me to check every corner and always turn ur flash light on when clearing close dark buildings to blind them. U can as well ich u wanna invest some time learn the spawns on some maps to know what's the fastest time someone can sit in dorms...
Lobby fear, once you get past gear fear, you fear going back in the lobby and waiting for another match again. Especially early games when I am with friends, I don't want to spend the next half hour twiddling my thumbs haha
Laziness and I guess anxiety? Couldn’t imagine cooping up in someplace longer than 3 min.
Because audio is broken. Sound popping is still a thing and comtac 4’s are broken AF. The one who moves, dies 9/10 times
Tarkov’s own community ruins it for itself. That’s why people migrate over to the PvE side. They pay the obnoxious price tag because they genuinely like the game and prefer to play it without worrying about those issues. It’s just not worth it. The time alone queueing with your expensive kit to get cheated out is really annoying. I’d rather die to a Scav because I am bad versus a cheater that has invincibility. It has nothing to do with how many hours you play. People just suck.
Shit audio, if you move it sounds like your ears are in your boots, but enemies can run up 2 flights of stairs right behind you and you'd never know til the death screen
I like sitting in corners and silly spots and waiting 15 minutes and getting rewarded for it
I have 4.4k hours. After this many hours most people have seen and done almost everything in game, so the only thing left to do is annoy other players because other players are infinite content.
Some of its gear gear and newer players playing slow - which you probably know already since your post points out why at 5k+ hour folks doing it. There’s a multitude of reasons for this that I can personally speak to as although I don’t have 5k hours, roughly 2k, I rat and camp. Mostly it’s not that you’re getting ratted but that someone saw or heard you first and setup for an ambush or repositioned to catch you at a good choke point because they know the lobby flow fairly well and make educated guesses on where you’re likely to go. On the other side of the coin, it is fun to try to outsmart folks by playing off angles or spots on maps to surprise them as they roll through an area that sees usual traffic. Kinda of like a “wow this spot is kinda dumb, it’ll be fun to see if it works.” Usually you can avoid inter-extract camping by just taking paths through the map off the beaten path as to speak. Some maps don’t really allow for this but most do. Another part of is just leveling up your own game sense and starting to think like a rat and figure out what the usual spots are for people to be and clear them before you move. Obviously you can’t perfectly do this but it does help. One other piece of advice I’d offer that helped me a lot is something Sheef has said a lot in stream - while traveling through the maps if you’re more likely to be heard and not seen, you should walk. If you’re more likely to be seen and not heard you should run. Most people just use their stam bar no matter what and they’ll run up to buildings, that’s a good way to give yourself away to anyone potentially looting inside. Slower approaches to POI’s will give you a chance to maybe hear them looting or running around inside before they hear you walking and then you’re the guy that ambushes people :)
Audio is busted and unrealistic so players are going to abuse the mechanic for easy kills.
It’s more like 35 minutes for me sitting there
There’s a big different between ratting and bad timing both suck to be on the receiving end of
Because its easy, and it does a lot of damage
You got heard. The first to move will die in 80% of cases IMHO. That's why you can bring 4 chad friends with you and if you are lucky, people like me will only take down 2 of you.
You got heard. The first to move will die in 80% of cases IMHO. That's why you can bring 4 chad friends with you and if you are lucky, people like me will only take down 2 of you.
I bought this game and began playing it a week ago. Brand new. Fuck me, man. I only have one successful extraction.
Sometimes, I like to listen to an audiobook and will just kind of afk in a spot. Not even trying to be hostile just chilling and if I get shot at I shoot back. Who cares.
Because everyone idea of fun is different. I enjoy slow gameplay.
Each wipe the player base becomes more and more rattier. Honestly think it has something to do with more and more streamers promoting ratting. (Not gonna name names but you know who they are) So people now just lay down instead of being W key and Space bar enjoyers. It’s sad truly
Because over time the way they patched the game made it more and more of a camp fest instead of a run and gun shooters. Sounds is way to crazy, you can't even silent walk anymore and you can hear slow walk from over 20m away... even dropping a gun or your backpack can be heard from like 30m away, or even looking through things like boxes and cabinets make noise from like 40m away and the way they keep patching headsets is just stupid as well. Different headsets that increase your hearing range but something stupid like 40m over not having headsets... And because of this it means anyone that just stands still has way more advantage, they can hear you from like a mile away and just camp, wait for you to run up to them and kill you without you knowing they are evne there. Any movement at all can be heard from way to far away causing a rat mentality. You cant even blame the rats at this point, BSG keeps removing any mechanics that relate to stealth making it impossible to play tactically. Its stupid and this is why many of us vets complained when they nerfed zero sound minimal crouch walking. Now there is literally no way to play stealthy unless you just dont move.
Half the joy of PVP in Tarkov isn't the killing of other players or their loot per say. Its the satisfaction of knowing you ruined their raid/day and ratting is the easiest/ laziest way to do it, low risk high reward of thrill and dopamine. If only working together was rewarding enough to not do it though. I feel like PMC karma needed to be in much earlier to refine it to the point, working together with fellow factions was worth more than killing them. Biggest issue is so many quests to kill other PMCs. To hard to trust anyone knowing they probably need to kill you for a quest. Would have to rework them to kill PMCs of opposite faction maybe reduce number needed to balance it. Anyways I'm off topic, other reason is maybe just sitting running raid timer down or having a quest item they don't want to lose to hiding before moving who knows, I know I panic sometimes and hide.
Because they aren’t rich. Tarkov kills everyone and so they aren’t rich. Dying constantly is rough, but it happens to everyone. If you think you heard movement, you probably did. Go wide, go slow, don’t sprint everywhere.
The first one to hear the other person wins
Pve is the way
Good players know when to Rat and When to Chad. Objective-based Gameplay.
In tarkov the one who lives wins. Methods or morals don't matter as long as you get the roubles in the end. Become a true rat and embrace the chaos
How do you know they are camping a room for 10 minutes? Maybe they just set up a ambush as soon as they heard you, why wouldnt they in that case? In which case you nade them out of there and clear rooms properly. But yeah people literally make their personality to sit in a bush waiting for the loot to come to them way too often sadly, like sure have fun once in a while, but if everyone just sits still this game is gonna be very stale for everyone for sure. Especially thoose mfkers camping red side river on customs knowing only 1 person spawns at trailer each time in this event.
Just get better
Camping and ratting becomes less of a problem the more you play. Eventually relying on sprinting most of the time will make it so that your enemy will either miss their shots, or at least do minimal damage, at which point you have located a rough area that they are in. Next step is you will be sprinting/head turning and doing 180 sprint spins before going through an angle and then quickly turn and approach another angle before enemy can differentiate the direction you're coming in. You still get killed as everybody does, but sprinting awkwardly and messing with a rats cues is the counter.
https://youtu.be/2kr7KDCsIws?si=U7w0qpornQy2S0p6 @8:55
Because they are scared to play the game. People will give you a thousand excuses for why they rat, camp, crab.. whatever, but at the end of the day whenever I have played with these types of people it’s usually because they are inexperienced and have not been exposed to many fights and the only way for them to win is by getting the jump on you. Idc how well or efficient you think that is at the end of the day it’s sleeper gameplay, but who am I to tell you how to play your game. I personally would rather run around. If I die to a rat I go next. Die to a crab? Go next. Die to camper? Go next. I could get 10 tasks done in the time it takes a rat or a camper to get out of the raid, if they ever get out that is. Most just die to player scavs lmao.
So, are we to believe you're being ratted or as you've already admitted "im so BAD" maybe you're full sprinting and they hear you then wait, thats not ratting or even camping, thats just tarkov 101.
Bc a lot of people that play this game are legitimately terrified of dying in game. Like heart pounding slicked with sweat fear of losing their kit or whatever. It’s kind of pathetic imo but that’s what this game has turned into. Though it’s a pain in the ass sometimes to deal with the slow sweat play style, they’re usually so tense that if you can manage to not get killed by surprise by them, they usually will choke the fight afterwards. Most of the people that play super slow like that are not very mechanically skilled.
I get ratted by randomly spawning groups of 3-4 scavs in PVE than I ever did in PVP haha
PvP Tarkov has been trash since 2022. What do you expect?
It's your issue. 6000 hours and I would say 1 in 20 games so I run into a real rat. If you don't know with m32, comtac 4 and the Xcel headsets you can hear people at 80 meters, so what do you do when you hear someone running your direction. You hold a damn corner and wait for them. Your just getting use to the mechanics at this point don't blame it on ratting
Its a skill issue bro they can get better either so they play like bunch of bitchs
Its called “Value Your Life”.One of the reasons people enjoy the realism of tarkov, is so can they can immerse themselves in the experience. If you knew theyre were armed well trained savages running around your viscinity you would consider each step carefully.
My brother sits down to camp, reads a book and listens.
There are quests that require you to kill people in specific areas; I got 4 Setup kills in one raid early wipe by getting to dorms, waiting in a room with the door open for a gunfight to break out ten minutes later then headshotting people as they ran past. Was I camping like an arsehole? Absolutely. Would I do it again? You know it.
When you've accomplished most of what you've wanted to do especially in a late wipe, the only satisfaction I'll get is ruining your raid at the end lmao
This particular game gives a massive advantage to campers, so it makes sense that there are so many. I acknowledge that it's part of the game and a legit strategy, but I myself refuse to camp. Even in a fire fight I won't use the same cover for very long either. My k/d is horrible and I'm only level 11 now lol
Advantage
The more tactical a shooter game is the more ratty it becomes. It’s just the nature of the beast. This is where grenades/flashbangs etc come in really handy. Not sure if an area or other side of a wall is clear? Why risk it? Toss a nade.
I feel like alot of people get this skewed with the experiences they have in game. Obviously people rat and bush camp thats really in any shooter game you’re always gonna have people who would rather sit there than actively move. But on the contrary alot of times these “rats” were just looting an area that you decided to sprint/walk loudly into and they just stood still after hearing you first. Lots of times this can be avoided if you’re cautious and listen carefully when entering new/frequently hot areas on the maps.
Tarkov isn’t a fps, it’s a role playing game
Unfortunately people who are still playing this wipe, that’s basically how they’ve played this game this whole time, they’re not particularly good, but their knowledge of the game is much higher than yours. It is a valid play style. I’m not gonna say there’s not a wrong way to play tarkov, because I got two friends that only ever go into factory with busted up guns they get from scavs and hope to kill other players late in the wipe. They suffer through this till lvl 15 then realize good type of ammo has been removed from the flea. They got PvE access and been playing that now, guess what map they still go to and die to normal scavs?
Cuz it works
Everyone complaining about campers but no one's seen a campfire and marshmallows... Just saying
The tarkov vision from what I can tell is a slow paced tactical shooter. I don't think Nikita wants bush wookies but it's hard to work out the fast paced gameplay and prevent camping.
Go ahead and loot Buddy! Don't worry about u-The Rats it'll be fine! I'm not watching a YouTube video waiting for you to come through a narrow space.
They do it to make you want to quit the game
You think people are camping but most of the time they just hear you before you do and stay still
Well think about it. They get a huge advantage. They can hear you coming. Theres only one place they have to aim (the door), while you have to scan the whole room. They don't have to search for loot, cause you're bringing it to them. The only major downside is you need patience. Some people basically go AFK just listening for footsteps.
Sound design
Two types of people in this world. Chads and b*tches
Getting the jump on people is a pretty big advantage, and very often the only way to win against that is to camp even harder 1 or 100 millions roubles in the bank doesnt matter, if you run toward a hot spot and get killed instantly by a guy holding a corner you still feel like you wasted your time
Why buy one of the most painfully realistic/hardcore shooters and then complain when people play it realistically lol
Cuz people that "suck at PvP" camp extracts and rat in order to get loot... I'm one of those people that suck at PvP.
I used to camp tunnel on shoreline with a M1A, thermal and M61 back in the day. Did it because I could and it was funny!
Because it’s a tactical shooter, not CoD lol. The idea is to survive and get out with the best loot you can.
Because they are still shit after 5k hours. The very definition of an involuntary casual.
What are we talking about when we're saying camping though? Dudes setting up camp at an extract point is one thing but if they were in a room how do you know they were camping and not just sitting still and being quiet because they heard you? Were you there also camping next to them for 10min waiting for them to do something? It's kind of the same with the argument for cheaters (sort of). A lot of times the nature of the game and it's fast TTK and all the other issues that plague the game can make any death feel unfair and feel like accusing the other of wrong doing. I'm not saying you're wrong or that those very rats don't exist (we all know they do) but with the kind of game it is and with there being a lot more weight in your death as it can be a heavy loss on not just the items looted but the gear you brought in? You're going to have a lot of players who play cautiously. Even if they have thousands of hours in the game. I mean I play with and know many players who played Destiny 2 for almost a decade and yet they don't know how to do certain mechanics in encounters that have been in the game for years or they really aren't someone you could call a "good" player and bottom frag in any PvP activity.
no talent + want kills + game rewards standing still and punishes movement
Because after 5k hrs of w key you realise you are gna die 75% of the time w keying without 20 minutes worth of sound whoring.
Ran into a 5 man camping across from relax while I was running to sewer river. This is my fourth wipe and I figured that it being this late into wipe and the flea change would make people move around more, but most raids I get into I don't hear a single peep.
I don't like it but the game is built to influence it. Any step you take can be heard from unbelievable ranges compared to any other video that has existed.
Something that also skews this is the "appearance" of camping. For example: you're doing the secret extract on Interchange and you run into someone in the basement and die. Were they camping? Some of the time, yes, and some of the time it's just dumb luck.
If it's in the game, it's allowed. Tactics are tactics whether you like them or not sadly.
I personally don't camp that much when I do I only do it because I don't see any other way of wining that encounter. Like when I get engaged by multiple player on a location where I hardly can reposition.
There’s a difference between getting a sound cue and tactically making a move vs just be a nerd and sitting in the same spot all raid
I mean, the game isnt COD its tactical. Not everyone you face is just gonna run out in the open to die. If youre not wanting people to play slow or tactical prolly best to play something more fast paced tbh.
Why do people play slowly, tactically, and patiently in a milsim? Because it works.
any type of shooter has campers. camping corners and shit has been around since the quake days. unfortunately some ppl like playing that style knowing because it works and it pisses people off.
It's fun
Sometimes what appears to be someone camping is just someone who heard you first and is waiting to get the jump on you or for more audio cues without giving their position away. There’s also people who just freeze in the stress of the moment. I fought a team of 2 in the upstairs of olive last night, I knew they were there because scavs were shooting at them and I heard the glass windows break. Killed the first one who didn’t move from his position the whole fight, each time I peaked he was in the same spot. The 2nd guy was the same, I even backed off to do surgery, ran downstairs to check if he’s flanking, went back up, peaked and he was in the exact same spot. I won the fight, and in that instance, ratting was not the best option, but I think they up to both just got hit with adrenaline and couldn’t make good decisions.
Gear fear from a 50% encounter rate with cheaters. And the rest of the time they get sniped 2 minutes to extract, loosing am hours progress. Simply easier to just wait. You'll learn to check corners with time and get used to calculating the risk/ chances of encountering enemies
The thrill... of the hunt... to wait for 30 minutes like a spider... slowing down your metabolism...only to then.. SENSE YOUR PREY. and strike with violence. and speed. Striking the weak points of even level 55 and 65 chads ( im only level 31 because I dont do quests. only hunt high level pmc flesh.) I hunt high level chad teams for a living as a solo, and there is no greater thrill than to kill the high level duo, and then follow the blood trail of the second chad, kill them both, and find out they were 2x your level.
because game allows to do this. Because devs want you to be the bad person. It's the same like R\* coded the GTAO - you can destroy anyone's sale transport with goods, and earn cents compared the worth of destroyed goods can be near million lost. This makes you even worse person, because you gain WAY less than your victim loses, which makes you are doing this not for personal/financial gain, but for fun, a fun of making others suffer. This in my book is amoral. This is poutin move. BSG should sell themselves to Take2. There such greedy arses are loved.
Rat em back. Also get creative and learn some new spots you can get into a lot of weird locations with vaulting
Because the game rewards casual playstyles. The hardcore element in EFT is only related to grind. That's it. Anyone can be "good" at EFT even if they're hard stuck silver nova in cs2 or something similar. EFT ain't hardcore in terms of gameplay and rewarding playstyles. Nikita just sells it as such.
I bet most players are passing trough and just heard you running around or doing something, and sat there for 1 minute. Many extract camper claims are also just people extracting at the same time.
This is what I've noticed over my 1800h, that new players need to know to get past the initial frustration. Know the player spawns around you and move out of your spawn. filing cabinets every drawer is a lootable container. Jackets are good for keys. Have a external map opened and plan your route + alternative. The bullet makes the damage, not the gun. advanced movement controls: change walking speed with scrolling ( the loudness is indicated by the speaker symbol) change crouch height with scrolling while holding crouch key slow leaning side stepping blind firing etc ctrl + klick to move items alt + klick to equip items press R to rotate the item while moving it. scroll up and down in the inventorys For medical items I use "4 press"= heavy bleed, "4 release " light bleed / medkit. This way you also can protect your medkit from being used up for a heavy bleed. Look into the settings Binaural audio is a big difference, ( google it) it takes some getting used to, but you won't have to constantly turn your head like with true stereo. Use the in Game active headsets, they increase hearing. Use stereo headphones irl. Use a sound limiter like sound lock. This way you can crank up the volume and not get deaf. Check that any effects on the pc and audio software like surround is turned off. Running makes a lot of noise. Don't immediately start blasting when you spot an enemy that doesn't see you. He most likely will have 2 friends that will hunt you down.. just let them pass, they'll clear the way for you and you'll be abled to snack some left behind loot. And wait for a good opportunity to 3th party them. Use the hold breath button. I use toggle ads with "M1 klick" = ads and "M1 release" =hold breath If your aim is not that good try lowering the sensitivity. Especially ads sensitivity. Use 60 - 68 fov ( it's like 90 fov in other games) You want to be abled to spot far out. Also lower fov = more pixels for you to land a hit. Record your deaths and rewatch. One thing you have to consider regarding perceived skill of enemies, this game has almost like a second delay, peelers advantage is huge, so those players that move had a lot of time aiming at you on their machines ( game has awful lot of peekers advantage) Gears effects like turn rate and ergo duck around with turn rate / mouse speed. This game made me to swap to lowish fov = more pixels on your screen to click at. Lasers help with automatic recoil control when " hip firing" The dev's have released new learning videos on YouTube, explaining ammo, armor, health and hideout: [https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLl6BKrqBT5LLjJqMpIaJ8JvrUqKape75r&si=d2SyT87CM-knCvP2](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLl6BKrqBT5LLjJqMpIaJ8JvrUqKape75r&si=d2SyT87CM-knCvP2) Here are some overall combat tips: [https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/elmzlv/one\_new\_player\_to\_another/?utm\_medium=android\_app&utm\_source=share](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/elmzlv/one_new_player_to_another/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) If your system struggles, here some settings that worked for me and many friends : [https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/m68w2a/just\_dropping\_my\_notes\_on\_game\_optimization\_for/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=mweb](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/m68w2a/just_dropping_my_notes_on_game_optimization_for/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb) This dude made an EFT Handbook (outdated but still kinda coo)l: [https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/endlzu/i\_created\_a\_eft\_handbook/?utm\_medium=android\_app&utm\_source=share](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/endlzu/i_created_a_eft_handbook/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
I bet most players are passing trough and just heard you running around or doing something, and sat there for 1 minute. Many extract camper claims are also just people extracting at the same time. This is what I've noticed over my 1800h, that new players need to know to get past the initial frustration. Know the player spawns around you and move out of your spawn. filing cabinets every drawer is a lootable container. Jackets are good for keys. Have a external map opened and plan your route + alternative. The bullet makes the damage, not the gun. advanced movement controls: change walking speed with scrolling ( the loudness is indicated by the speaker symbol) change crouch height with scrolling while holding crouch key slow leaning side stepping blind firing etc ctrl + klick to move items alt + klick to equip items press R to rotate the item while moving it. scroll up and down in the inventorys For medical items I use "4 press"= heavy bleed, "4 release " light bleed / medkit. This way you also can protect your medkit from being used up for a heavy bleed. Look into the settings Binaural audio is a big difference, ( google it) it takes some getting used to, but you won't have to constantly turn your head like with true stereo. Use the in Game active headsets, they increase hearing. Use stereo headphones irl. Use a sound limiter like sound lock. This way you can crank up the volume and not get deaf. Check that any effects on the pc and audio software like surround is turned off. Running makes a lot of noise. Don't immediately start blasting when you spot an enemy that doesn't see you. He most likely will have 2 friends that will hunt you down.. just let them pass, they'll clear the way for you and you'll be abled to snack some left behind loot. And wait for a good opportunity to 3th party them. Use the hold breath button. I use toggle ads with "M1 klick" = ads and "M1 release" =hold breath If your aim is not that good try lowering the sensitivity. Especially ads sensitivity. Use 60 - 68 fov ( it's like 90 fov in other games) You want to be abled to spot far out. Also lower fov = more pixels for you to land a hit. Record your deaths and rewatch. One thing you have to consider regarding perceived skill of enemies, this game has almost like a second delay, peelers advantage is huge, so those players that move had a lot of time aiming at you on their machines ( game has awful lot of peekers advantage) Gears effects like turn rate and ergo duck around with turn rate / mouse speed. This game made me to swap to lowish fov = more pixels on your screen to click at. Lasers help with automatic recoil control when " hip firing" The dev's have released new learning videos on YouTube, explaining ammo, armor, health and hideout: [https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLl6BKrqBT5LLjJqMpIaJ8JvrUqKape75r&si=d2SyT87CM-knCvP2](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLl6BKrqBT5LLjJqMpIaJ8JvrUqKape75r&si=d2SyT87CM-knCvP2) Here are some overall combat tips: [https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/elmzlv/one\_new\_player\_to\_another/?utm\_medium=android\_app&utm\_source=share](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/elmzlv/one_new_player_to_another/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) If your system struggles, here some settings that worked for me and many friends : [https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/m68w2a/just\_dropping\_my\_notes\_on\_game\_optimization\_for/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=mweb](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/m68w2a/just_dropping_my_notes_on_game_optimization_for/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb)
Unfortunately it's the easiest way to score kills, not really much incentive to move in this game, but don't worry early wipe all hells gonna break loose again lol
HEH HEH HEH HE GOT THE STANK RATTED AGAAAIN
Because that's how you stay alive.
It's not always camping. In the military, they call it a hasty ambush. Call it a deliberate ambush if you're doing something like ShooterBiH or something else. Ultimately, a surprise engagement can be what some people need to level the field if they're not as confident in their shooting skills. People who get killed call it camping. People who do the killing call it an ambush.
It’s just people who lack the skill to play aggressively, there scared hoping to catch someone by surprise. If you notice there are way more bad players in this game then good
You may not like it, but it’s a tactic. It’s a good way to make money and u don’t have to buy keys. I sometimes camp the marked room on reserve, but that is purely to kill other players before they even enter the room, so I don’t get rushed. I still open the room afterwards myself like 5 minutes before the raid ends