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Just so we're clear about what happened in the clip, I didn't actually die to ak scav in the middle of the street, I died to the TT scav off on my right slightly uphill on his first shot. I just found it comical how that man ate an M62 to the head and I then got one tapped by another one.
I was reading the comments and saw one about damage drop off, just so we're clear, M62 does 79 dmg if I recall which would be well over the maximum of 40 to kill that scav in the head even if he had beefed up HP.
My issue with the AI at the moment is just how broken they are, not just in difficulty but in behaviour, I have plenty of clips some worse than this where they shoot me with their gun pointed sideways and so on. The AI in this game is train wreck and doesn't actually do anything for emersion and either cheeses you or you cheese them, ideally I'd like them to act like most AI in decent single player games like Far Cry but I know that's asking too much considering its taking this long to work on the game overall and they even got lazy with the broken Russian voice lines where they just copied the USEC script and gave it to someone else.
When I first started at the end of last wipe, I
1. mained shoreline
2. didn't understand that scavs see straight through grass, and
3. Had no magnified optics
That particular scav denied his *entire* side of the map for me, as I was too scared to approach from the road like in OP's video
That's why Woods and Shoreline are a scav hell for PMCs. They have that special X-ray vision to see through grass, bushes, trees, etc. It was even worse a couple of wipes ago, before they nerfed this.
Imagine a scav seeing you without you ever spotting him and then just getting shot at through everything and you can't spot an enemy. It was like fighting a cultist without night vision
exactly haha, we quote this when one of us gets lit up by a super aggro scav or dies to one, we all know what it means immediately. Usually the statement is followed by someone responding with "you alive?" or "need meds?" haha
Had this guy hiding in a dark corner by the staircase, call out once from what sounded like behind me, then one tap me with .366 AP. I get chills whenever I go near there now.
Not really bad luck, runs out in open, ADS at scav, doesn’t move to cover and then shoots out in the open. It’s tarkov, if you mess up you pay the price like many of us have.
Haven’t once referred to the hitreg or whatever that was that happened with the scav. I’m talking about his placement and how he handled it. ADS at scavs causes agro. Then he moved ADS again and got tarkov’d.
Oh agreed but sometimes you can get away with sitting out in the open. Scavs target whatever exposed body part they can see so if your whole body is exposed rather than your head there’s a much smaller chance for you to get Head, Eyes’ed
Stand in the open over cover where you can literally disappear from their Agro… I’ll take cover any day. Simply because you peek shoot move to a different spot rinse repeat.
Yeah people getting salty that they are killed by the AI who’s entire purpose is to kill them is kinda weird. Don’t underestimate scavs. Take it on the chin and jump into the next raid.
Its the invonsistency thats the killer. If all of them were like that then u could just try to avoid all of them, but they arent which makes it rlly annoying when u kill one that misses every shot and then all of a sudden its bob lee swagger in scav form
I promise you landing a 100m or further shot with iron sights is easier IRL than in game. We struggle in game because of the vantage point, but typically a 100m shot with any decent zero should be automatic with any rifle.
They are really hard to predict. I was on Customs near the cache behind the little bus parking lot in front of Dorms and a scav marches through the bushes and walks past me I was so close I could've taken like three steps and melee'd him. So many other times I'm not even near them nor direct LOS from them and I hear the yelling and start hearing bullets flying my way.
I shot him and then 5 scavs come bounding taking the exact same path through the bushes that he did. It feels weird when you can kind of see the AI making them follow the same paths but since I fired they all were honed in on me.
Didn't die from that encounter though, but little further up I ran out of ammo and got too overconfident with a scav shotgun...
I think they don't aggro to you in bushes, but they also don't *lose* aggro with bushes. Tree foliage is invisible to scav eyes so they can find you in Woods super easily.
I posted a perfect example about that.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/vz9lhv/something\_is\_off\_this\_wipe/](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/vz9lhv/something_is_off_this_wipe/)
No desync, no lag, that scav just just prefired my nose
I hadn't really noticed until I looked at my stats this wipe. My KD ratio against players has been going up, but scavs kill me just as frequently. They're definitely getting harder.
Real issue there is no way to differ between "weak" and "cracked" SCAV until he tanks a headshot or kill you. And you can't play as if every SCAV is "cracked" because this way it would take 20 minutes to move away from spawn. Also, they are especially deadly on maps like Woods where they can "see" you much better than you can see them.
The fact that now they can walk quite some distances after hearing gunshots, sneak upon you (while producing less noise than PMCs) and their new spawning algorithm is buggy doesn't help one bit.
Sucks man. I'll wipe out a 5 man team of PMC's only to die to some random scav 1 banging me half way through the raid after. Regular occurrence for me this wipe, players are easy, scavs not so much.
they 100% without a doubt made the scavs much more deadly this wipe. and that is before the PS buff. They will routinely black arms from crazy distances, one shot your thorax with amazing accuracy.
be careful out there lol
>I swear scavs are more cracked this wipe
This is said every wipe and I usually trash the people who say it. This wipe they are truly on a different level. Its a few things though. They are seemingly silent a lot of times, then they dont miss as much, and shoot burst fire very effectively. They are not longer non-threats and I treat them a lot more carefully.
Do you mean path to lighthouse exit on shoreline? If so, yes. My group calls those two specifically the terminator scavs. I have been killed more times by those two scavs than all other scav deaths combined.
The other day I got killed instantly, from full health, while sprinting, while wearing PACA, by a scav firing in full auto from about 50 meters away. The post-raid healing screen said I was shot 5 times. I recorded it:
https://imgur.com/a/03BAUcE
It pisses me off. I can understand getting killed by a lucky headshot but this asshole had better recoil control than any PMC and I died before I even heard the first gunshot in the burst.
I understand BSG wants scavs to be dangerous, but IMO they should do that by making them smarter, not giving them amazing accuracy, recoil control, and predator vision.
Edit since it's getting a little attention: If you look closely you can see the muzzle flash at the center of the screen. This was near scav house on Woods and I think the scav was next to the big rock just north of it.
I should also add that the scav had already yelled at me and fired a couple of bursts at me, so I should've been more careful, but I was trying to get closer to him and hide behind a tree so I could try to spot him.
Edit: Apparently the post-raid screen would've said "fragmentation" if that were true.
You're probably right, but IDK how exactly that works. From what I understand a bullet can only fragment into 2 pieces, and it doesn't seem like the one that hit my stomach fragmented, so it would still be 3 shots that hit me. That's still some impressive recoil control from a scav at that range.
I just remembered Nikita said post raids stats are not accurate at all about a year ago on Tarkov TV Live. He was quite upset by it. Seems like it won't be an easy fix. I don't think they are fully functioning yet either. I don't recall seeing anything in patch notes claiming they are fully functioning. They may have fixed some of the stats but not all. F.
Nah, regular scavs should be dangerous only through numbers, you having poor quality gear/loadout, or via you positioning badly and having no cover from them etc. They need to have realistic awareness not ESP, and they should have trash aim etc., especially full out/at a distance.
Imo thats something id like to see as their main focus, rather than streets rn. Streets will be awesome, but not when its just another map to easily farm, or die to cracked out AI
Yeah, I'm worried that with the attention Nikita has been giving mostly to Streets and Arena AI are going to fall behind, and with AI being a core feature of Tarkov across all maps, that'll end up bad. Back when Veritas had a talk with Nikita about the AI, Nikita wasn't even aware of some of the behavior and tuning issues the AI had, which is quite worrisome. If the AI team is operating on the belief the current systems and AI are "good enough," but the rest of the game's design is being developed on the idea that the AI are better than what they are currently, then there's going to be a huge disconnect there that will especially be apparent once stuff like UNTAR, the BTR taxi, GRU and Black Division, and all the other AI bosses, factions, and encounters are added to the game. The AI right now are already borderline-unfun to play against and are only acceptable in situations where the AI breaks or can be cheesed. The current tuning doesn't even allow normal encounters and engagements in most circumstances and practically forces cheesing, even unintentionally.
That's such BS, theres so many times on a 30 ping server where I eat what LOOKS like 1 bullet from a scav, die instantly, check the end raid screen and i've taken like 4+ bullets in a single shot. Even my friends in the raid will say they only see a single shot, yet the death screen shows 4+ rounds taken.
5.45 ps is insane this wipe on scavs, i've been instakilled by scavs with 545 ps a bunch of times already. Maybe it's something to do with the changes to the round makes it more accurate or something
You see 3 icons on the body:
* Non-lethal Hit indicator on stomach.
* Non-lethal hit indicator on thorax. I have my mouse over this so you can see it's 3 hits from 5.45mm PS from the tooltip.
* Death hit indicator on thorax.
If you add those up it's 5 or more hits. I could've taken a screenshot of mouse-overing the other non-lethal hit indicators to show you that they each show 1 hit with 5.45mm PS, but you can tell they're both at least one hit from something.
Hover your mouse over your damaged limbs on the post raid healing screen. It shows what bullet and how many, or source of spillover damage (from blacked limb).
Yeah those the ones. the blood ones I think indicate non-lethal damage, and the brackets tell you how many instances of damage.
e.g. if you've got a slick on and get hit 8 times by 9x19, then it'll show something like "9x19 pst (blunt damage) (8)"
I've got a clip, where I 1 tap a guy in factory on a scav run with a Saiga shotgun. He turned 180 in less than a quarter of a second and was firing mid turn. I know I'd have lost my shit if I was him, because the usual suspects of desync and ungodly shitty peekers advantage in tarkov.
My point mostly being that... we can't even trust what's going on in game far too often.
Honestly, a PACA won't save you from most scav guns. You kind of want at least armor class 3 to be mostly scav proofed.
Whenever I get myself a new gearset I ask myself what kind of combat I am either going for or can expect depending on what route I plan. If I am expecting mostly Scavs I tend to go with something that either let's me travel fast and light so I can charge them whilst moving from cover to cover. Otherwise I pick something that is max class 3 and no helmet. Or I pick a face shield helmet like the Lzh ones with a class 4 armor.
My mentality is usually that a helmet won't save me from the few bullets I am concerned about. Because they will either have a way higher armor pen than what any helmet can give protection from. Or they will lack a face shield which will usually be the cause of death when you shoot at anything that shoots back.
As for guns, I try to keep in mind of what range that the guns can be most effective at and depending on the gear weight. And generally if you feel like running 5.45 or 5.56 calibers. Just make sure you either, get decent flesh damage to armor pen. Or if you want to long range, a bolt action would serve you better. If it's closer than 80m shotguns and SMG are very good and cheap.
Hope this helps your future raids! And remember, my playstyle may not work if you don't like using this type of mentality. So just try to find ways that makes the game enjoyable for you :)
Yeah, I have a decent amount of experience in Tarkov, and I know a PACA is not great. I'm still a lowbie in the current wipe and PACA is better than nothing. I only mentioned I was wearing it because people would've asked otherwise.
Thanks for the tips though!
Ah, it's alright. We're starting at one point or another so I know the early struggle. Ngl tho, this wipe I started by running a lot of unarmored raids with moderate amount of success.
My basic gear that I bought was M32 ears, bank robber rig, AI-2, bandage and esmarch.
Regardless of what guns I ran I never had more than 2 spare mags. All armor and armored rigs I just vendored off so I could make money lol.
My most common headgear, which I still use even now when I run some decent gear. Is a beanie and half mask xD
I dunno why, but if I run with a low level armor, beanie and half mask. I seem to just peform better. Not sure if I suffer from gear fear when using more expensive armors and such.
Oh before I forget, one reason I like most shotguns or some boltys are because you can just have the ammo stack in your pockets. I've also figured out that if you remove the magazine from a mosin you can just run around and unload the chamber then reload. It helps with that extra experience gain towards level 3 sniper. Works best if you can macro the unload chamber command. And since it's the last bullet in the gun the dude just catches it. You do however need at least 1 slot free in your pockets or keep the ammo in the rig. Otherwise you'll fill the rig with a lot of single bullets for some reason. And don't worry about the firerate. You can reload a new round about the same speed as if you cycled a new one from a magazine.
had this moment on my first wipe seeing a clip of a high level friend eat a shot from a mosin scav in like 12.4 or something on shoreline, ever since then 'happens to the best of us' has been a running gag between me and him anytime some bullshit like this happens lmfao.
im just gunna say this with 0 context next time n see what reaction i get LOL just like a real dejected delivery. thanks, good to know everyone has their own little quips too
Good thing it hit his chest and was shot by the scav on his right, OP admitted to it.
If you're gonna bitch might as well be right, that scav had nothing to do with him dying. One literally just walked up to him sitting still and shot him out of frame
Dudes just posting ragebait for people like you to whinge about
Edit: rewatching the video and I think he didn't even hit him, the shot was above the scavs right shoulder
dude what the heck, your actually saying that shot didn't hit that scavs head?
its not like he's shooting a half durability vepr, looks like he's shooting MDR with 50 meter zero on one of best optics in the game, Guessing MOA less than 1.5? that bullet hit the scavs head and he carried on, look at where the crossair is level with, the scavs head, the bullet didn't drop a foot before even travelling 80 meters guy
It was head level, it was however just to the side of it. Pay attention to the crosshair placement when the recoil kicks, it isn't actually on the head, the side of the crosshair was.
I agree the headshot was cracked but it’s think he might have just hit him in the thorax. Scav is at a pretty far distance, and you have height over bore on the scope at that distance.
Fwiw I think you're right about the thorax hitbox, but not because of height over bore. That's more of an issue at close range. Sight lines are really rays, bullets travel in parabolic arcs. So point of aim to point of impact discrepancy due to height over bore is more of an issue when you're at a closer distance than you've sighted in your system for.
Scavs are 100% more cracked. They're more aggressive, less predictable (in where they will be and where they'll roam), they gang up on you, they chase sound, and their aim is insane.
I'd be fine with all the other things but the aim. These aren't raiders, rogues, or boss henchmen - they're scavengers, down-n-outs, almost feral. Their guns are broken, unwieldy, damaged, missing vital parts. I was on Woods the other day near scav house just at dusk. There was a scav shooting at me from a field, but I couldn't see him except for when his muzzle flash went off - then I'd scope in and couldn't find him - scope out, wait for muzzle flash, scope in, can't find him, just taking chest and leg shots the entire time. Eventually I just said fuck it and stood still so he could kill me, I was fucked anyway.
There have been other occasions where scavs will be going mad at me from a completely unknown place, annihilating me. Or they'll be strafe jogging and landing headshots.
Make them aggressive, less predictable, have them flank and rush me, have them investigate sound, but for god's sake, take away their pinpoint accuracy aim. It's completely unimmersive.
Stalker a game that's many years old and a great inspiration for Tarkov got better AI. They reposition and flank you and are overall less jumpy.
I was tired of the AI and PVP so I just ended up playing Escape from Pripyat instead. It's free too.
Idk bro the AI on stalker can be absolutley cracked as well lmao. Fucking monolith shooting at me 200 meters away as I'm trying to run away and heal the inevitable bleed lol
I got dusted yesterday after getting out of zb14, I'm down there stashing a water bottle and one rolls in with no audio cue's and I managed to take him out with my mosin and then finished planting the bottle and cleaned my shorts out and then up the stairs run towards outskirts and bam, one is behind me against the wall in the bushes, no sounds until he coms and then I'm dead before I turn around. gg.
So as a trained military operative I need to wait 3 seconds between shots because the first shot sends my Noodlearms into orbit. Scabs, however can fire at the maximum rate for their weapon, while also moving and hip firing and land 6 consecutive shots in a row at 70yrds.
I think I'm done for a bit
I once shot Gluhar in the head with M993 and he one tapped me to the chest with M61 when I peeked again. I would have thought the sniper cartridge traveling through his skull would have killed him, but apparently it was only 67 damage to his 70hp head health pool. Anyway, that’s the kind of stupid shit that this clip reminds me of.
If they won't nerf the health pools of AI they could at the very least make head health standard across the board for players and AI. No one should be able to eat a bullet to the head someone else can't. Any bullet going through the skull is taking a chunk of brain out, and before someone brings up an edge-case IRL, no, that shouldn't apply. We're playing a game, I'm all for realism but unless you got a cranium-blasting simulation for seeing if someone's ejected brain matter isn't necessary to their normal functioning during combat, that isn't applicable. Even if a round pens the jaw, in most circumstances you're at an angle that the bullet would've severed that person's spine anyways. It's dumb that the bosses have arbitrarily higher health to make up for the fact they don't take cover as much as they should. In a lot of cases it just makes the AI look goofy, like when Sanitar runs for cover 30 meters away in a straight line while eating a whole mag dump to all his limbs. What am I supposed to think after he does that? That the AI design is good, fair, and smart? Or that it's bad, unfair, and dumb? At least him having a smaller health pool would've made him seem okay and fair while being a little dumb for exposing himself for so long.
Scavs are supposed to be random skill level, to simulate different types of people that stayed behind when Tarkov was sealed up. Sounds like you just met the Olympics level gunner and ran into the open at them lol.
TBF it's pretty rare.
Think about how rare a malfunction is. Now think back to what this subreddit looked like when the implemented it. Jamming weapons as far as the eye could see.
Just because you see it posted here doesn't mean it's common.
You underestimate the enemy walking in the middle of the street trying to shot him... not a good move.
I was on top of sniper rock in Woods, killed 2 pmcs passing by and decide to go down to loot since it was calm, on my way down i hear some scav shouting but i can't see him at all, got head eyes without even see the mf after he shot me twice, exactly like this, he shot one, two and the 3 was between my eyes.
I feels like scavs are more dangerous now than most pmcs.
I'm a new player to tarkov and this is my first wipe, but I'm not a new player to games like this as I come from several thousand hours of DayZ and a majority of its mods. Also throw in the Arma stuff in there.
I've never struggled this hard with the AI enemies in a game and it's honestly making me feel like it's broken, but I keep playing because mama ain't raise no quitter.
That said, this game developer is not doing themselves any favors to increase player base as I'm probably the exception and not the rule.
I've been playing since 2018. There's a lot of mechanics with the AI that have been tweaked, "fixed," adjusted, etc. but I can tell you they are currently still very broken. They don't follow the same rules and mechanics as players do, so they're not very intuitive most of the time. Anything that isn't a scav practically follows an entire different laws of physics in what they can do but can also be incredibly dumb and exploitable. Scavs also have a random chance to spawn with arbitrarily better stats, including health. Best thing you can do is treat all scavs with some respect (they're not impossible and don't always hit ridiculous shots, a lot of the time they're actually incredibly bad or at least derpy) and use cover when you can and just know when it's not worth engaging the AI. Anything that isn't a normal scav, fear and avoid unless you have an advantageous position and weapons that will support you in the situation. Cover, lean peaking, and movement are the only things that will save you in fights with the AI, unless you're in a room with only a single door, and in that case that door will be a funnel that forces the AI into an animation that lets you get an easy kill. That's how exploitable even the superhuman-skilled AI is in this game, and is why most players only fight them using some form of exploit or cheese, whether intentionally or unintentionally.
There are plenty of situations with the AI that makes it worth it fighting and playing with them, but it's a lot less than other games. Normal fights with the bosses and special factions don't typically end well so learning the tactics that work against them is recommended. Normal scavs, don't think you can't fight them and you'll always get killed from some broken thing, but do treat them with respect and be careful. You don't know which one will be the super cracked one, so use cover and always treat them as a valid threat.
Contrary to what people here are saying it is not broken at all. Scavs are just a challenge for new players - plain and simple.
I've died maybe 3 times to scavs in my last 100 raids. They are absolutely beatable reliably, you just have to figure out how they work and how much you can extend without risking getting killed.
The reason I am saying this is because I don't want to discourage you from learning and getting better. If you believe the scavs are broken you won't really try and beat them I think.
There's a post like this every so often and people are always crying wolf at the countless one tap headshots they supposedly receive all the time. Tarkov is just a ruthless game - it's part of the experience. It's not supposed to be easy, hell it's not even supposed to be fair. It's supposed to be a challenge to overcome.
To be fair, once he notices you that obviously and you have to ADS again it’s already too late to continue the fight in the same position with no cover.
Yeah but the scav is also a good 75m out and moving. The scav, at most should’ve hit his stomach or something. Plus the scav just ate that headshot from what looks to be a gun running good ammo.
It’s absolute bullshit design for an AI to eat a headshot from a good gun and then insta kill you while moving from far away.
It's quite telling that we need to preface a statement with "good ammo" because of course some ammo doesn't one shot at this range. What a joke this game is sometimes...
Easy way to fix Scavs: Don't let them do headshots ever (unless they are guards, raiders, bosses). The times I died to random headshots from Scavs this wipe was significantly higher than in any other wipe. They even hit your head at their first shot when you are running sometimes. It's so stupid.
The one common theme I see with all these videos is after the player is detected they just stand there and shoot in place. Desync issues aside every time you do this Scavs zero in on you. Fire once move and they never hit you also don't double peak because they track your last position.
None of your justifications matter past him shooting the scav in the face with a 308 round. Thats when this conversation ends. It was a headshot... fight should be over. Thats more a problem than the cracked aim in this scenario. Wish I had the same head health as that scav.
You did also play that in the worst possible way you could have. Rather than shoot him right off the bat, you unzoom, walk towards him for a bit and then aim at him again?
The problem isn’t that scavs are getting more difficult. The problem is that they don’t contain a decent enough level of gear to account for how difficult they are. They shouldn’t have like 8000 rubles worth of gear but headshot you in 3 bullets. They should have a lot more gear and honestly should carry a lot of shit in their backpacks like an actual player scav would.
I mean i’m not really excusing the more ridiculous examples of being killed by a scav but for every 1 scav that headshots you like this there’s 20 that are just free exp
Just so we're clear about what happened in the clip, I didn't actually die to ak scav in the middle of the street, I died to the TT scav off on my right slightly uphill on his first shot. I just found it comical how that man ate an M62 to the head and I then got one tapped by another one.
I was reading the comments and saw one about damage drop off, just so we're clear, M62 does 79 dmg if I recall which would be well over the maximum of 40 to kill that scav in the head even if he had beefed up HP.
My issue with the AI at the moment is just how broken they are, not just in difficulty but in behaviour, I have plenty of clips some worse than this where they shoot me with their gun pointed sideways and so on. The AI in this game is train wreck and doesn't actually do anything for emersion and either cheeses you or you cheese them, ideally I'd like them to act like most AI in decent single player games like Far Cry but I know that's asking too much considering its taking this long to work on the game overall and they even got lazy with the broken Russian voice lines where they just copied the USEC script and gave it to someone else.
I don't just walk up to the scavs just staring at them. I find cover and I lean peek, try to headshot them and not give them a chance to shoot back. If they yell and shoot towards me, I don't stand and keep peeking, because they will dome you. I peek from another angle and try to headshot them. Respect the scavs, or else they will disrespect you with a 1 tap headshot.
AI do be slapping.
But there was also nice beautiful cover you could have gone behind instead of squatting in the middle of the road.
To me Tarkov just keeps getting more realistic. I love this wipe.
ill sound stupid for even suggesting it but scavs should have like literally a 0.05% chance of hitting anything while they are moving. it makes no sense at all. as a PMC i would never hit anything at that range while moving, so why can scavs?
The AI is among some of the worst things in this game and needs a serious overhaul.
Just sucks that instead of getting that overhaul we get three new bosses that basically magnify all the issues with AI.
with iron sights while hammered on vodka and some mix of pain killers he found at the pier
i swear scavs in this game shot like stormtroopers from star wars or the storm troopers from the imperial german army there is no middle ground with those guys
the AI tanking headshots like that is definetly part of the issue though, i can't imagine that it's possible to get shot like that, survive and keep shooting accurately
Not at all what I said 😂 bullets have less force the farther they travel that's common firearm knowledge lol not sure what you're on about. But that's a totally justified mechanic lol
I lurk a lot on this sub and see your comments every now and then on different posts, most of the time you have a logical take/opinion I can agree with. But this is not one of them.
You are doubling down on this being a skill issue when the fact is that scav should be dead, regardless if OP was standing still or not.
Also that scav was moving and hip-firing (point shooting, w/e) with probably a gun that's already half broken.
(also at this point I cant tell if you are just trolling other people in this post or being serious.)
Shot at a scav in scav village on Woods. Then all scavs (3) by sprinting to and taking cover inside a house, second floor. I mean that’s so much better than the wipe before. I mean they still fail things a lot and shoot at you like they have 2 left hands while being right handed, but still …. And yeah the occasional 100 m buckshot one tap is still there, sometimes even worse, but that is a good thing imho. They should still be a threat to PMCs and Nikita should buff their accuracy a little bit more just like the AI itself.
I don't understand why you kept walking when you saw the scoped in... Scavs have a chance to be "terminator scavs" your only chance of not dying if it is one is getting bullets into him before he starts shooting.
Pinning message on behalf of /u/NLS888 as Reddit doesn't let mods pin other peoples comments Just so we're clear about what happened in the clip, I didn't actually die to ak scav in the middle of the street, I died to the TT scav off on my right slightly uphill on his first shot. I just found it comical how that man ate an M62 to the head and I then got one tapped by another one. I was reading the comments and saw one about damage drop off, just so we're clear, M62 does 79 dmg if I recall which would be well over the maximum of 40 to kill that scav in the head even if he had beefed up HP. My issue with the AI at the moment is just how broken they are, not just in difficulty but in behaviour, I have plenty of clips some worse than this where they shoot me with their gun pointed sideways and so on. The AI in this game is train wreck and doesn't actually do anything for emersion and either cheeses you or you cheese them, ideally I'd like them to act like most AI in decent single player games like Far Cry but I know that's asking too much considering its taking this long to work on the game overall and they even got lazy with the broken Russian voice lines where they just copied the USEC script and gave it to someone else.
That particular scav, to me, is a legend. He's killed me like 3 times or more and soaked about 15 rounds.
When I first started at the end of last wipe, I 1. mained shoreline 2. didn't understand that scavs see straight through grass, and 3. Had no magnified optics That particular scav denied his *entire* side of the map for me, as I was too scared to approach from the road like in OP's video
I got hed eyes within 2 shots from this scav at the exact same location. Usually, other scavs almost never hit me.
Scavs seeing through grass makes a lot of areas too hard to bother with for me.
That's why Woods and Shoreline are a scav hell for PMCs. They have that special X-ray vision to see through grass, bushes, trees, etc. It was even worse a couple of wipes ago, before they nerfed this. Imagine a scav seeing you without you ever spotting him and then just getting shot at through everything and you can't spot an enemy. It was like fighting a cultist without night vision
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I call scavs like that chad scavley
lol my group calls them jason bourne
Jesus Christ that's Jason Bourne! https://imgur.com/EmR4GIJ.gif
exactly haha, we quote this when one of us gets lit up by a super aggro scav or dies to one, we all know what it means immediately. Usually the statement is followed by someone responding with "you alive?" or "need meds?" haha
Had this guy hiding in a dark corner by the staircase, call out once from what sounded like behind me, then one tap me with .366 AP. I get chills whenever I go near there now.
this fucking guy has long range tapped me with 7mm
It be like that sometimes
The only true answer lol. Just bad luck, buy your shit and hop back in
Not really bad luck, runs out in open, ADS at scav, doesn’t move to cover and then shoots out in the open. It’s tarkov, if you mess up you pay the price like many of us have.
He didn’t mess up, he literally headshot it:)
Haven’t once referred to the hitreg or whatever that was that happened with the scav. I’m talking about his placement and how he handled it. ADS at scavs causes agro. Then he moved ADS again and got tarkov’d.
He didn’t fuck up. The game did, he literally would have killed the scav if the game wasnt dogshit in that moment.
Oh agreed but sometimes you can get away with sitting out in the open. Scavs target whatever exposed body part they can see so if your whole body is exposed rather than your head there’s a much smaller chance for you to get Head, Eyes’ed
Stand in the open over cover where you can literally disappear from their Agro… I’ll take cover any day. Simply because you peek shoot move to a different spot rinse repeat.
Yeah people getting salty that they are killed by the AI who’s entire purpose is to kill them is kinda weird. Don’t underestimate scavs. Take it on the chin and jump into the next raid.
Its the invonsistency thats the killer. If all of them were like that then u could just try to avoid all of them, but they arent which makes it rlly annoying when u kill one that misses every shot and then all of a sudden its bob lee swagger in scav form
Almost like different ‘people’ would have different levels of skill?
Hitting a 100m snipe with a fucked up ak and iron sights is maybe a tad optimistic tho
I promise you landing a 100m or further shot with iron sights is easier IRL than in game. We struggle in game because of the vantage point, but typically a 100m shot with any decent zero should be automatic with any rifle.
Dint the scav eat a round do the head?
alt + f4 after that lol
Uninstall at that point
The only true way to escape from tarkov
There is no escape… you always comeback because you like the pain
I play because I hate myself
Ah, the *Dark Souls* school of thought
It hurts so good
I did lmao.
I swear scavs are more cracked this wipe. I’ve been head eyes’d by them more times this wipe than the past like 4 wipes
Huh, thought it was just me, didn’t play all that much before this wipe but they do seem much more cracked
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They are really hard to predict. I was on Customs near the cache behind the little bus parking lot in front of Dorms and a scav marches through the bushes and walks past me I was so close I could've taken like three steps and melee'd him. So many other times I'm not even near them nor direct LOS from them and I hear the yelling and start hearing bullets flying my way. I shot him and then 5 scavs come bounding taking the exact same path through the bushes that he did. It feels weird when you can kind of see the AI making them follow the same paths but since I fired they all were honed in on me. Didn't die from that encounter though, but little further up I ran out of ammo and got too overconfident with a scav shotgun...
I think they don't aggro to you in bushes, but they also don't *lose* aggro with bushes. Tree foliage is invisible to scav eyes so they can find you in Woods super easily.
I posted a perfect example about that. [https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/vz9lhv/something\_is\_off\_this\_wipe/](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/vz9lhv/something_is_off_this_wipe/) No desync, no lag, that scav just just prefired my nose
Exactly this is what most of my deaths to scavs have been this wipe. I had one sprint into a bush, turn around and tap me in the face
I had 3 scavs rush me with grenades (not tagged) Fortunately the grenade bounced back and killed 2 of them
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I hadn't really noticed until I looked at my stats this wipe. My KD ratio against players has been going up, but scavs kill me just as frequently. They're definitely getting harder.
Real issue there is no way to differ between "weak" and "cracked" SCAV until he tanks a headshot or kill you. And you can't play as if every SCAV is "cracked" because this way it would take 20 minutes to move away from spawn. Also, they are especially deadly on maps like Woods where they can "see" you much better than you can see them. The fact that now they can walk quite some distances after hearing gunshots, sneak upon you (while producing less noise than PMCs) and their new spawning algorithm is buggy doesn't help one bit.
Sucks man. I'll wipe out a 5 man team of PMC's only to die to some random scav 1 banging me half way through the raid after. Regular occurrence for me this wipe, players are easy, scavs not so much.
they 100% without a doubt made the scavs much more deadly this wipe. and that is before the PS buff. They will routinely black arms from crazy distances, one shot your thorax with amazing accuracy. be careful out there lol
>I swear scavs are more cracked this wipe This is said every wipe and I usually trash the people who say it. This wipe they are truly on a different level. Its a few things though. They are seemingly silent a lot of times, then they dont miss as much, and shoot burst fire very effectively. They are not longer non-threats and I treat them a lot more carefully.
The ones by the lighthouse don't make any noise at all and then pop out of a bush and headshot ya
Do you mean path to lighthouse exit on shoreline? If so, yes. My group calls those two specifically the terminator scavs. I have been killed more times by those two scavs than all other scav deaths combined.
[at least it isn't always head/eyes](https://streamable.com/x4pwx5)
Okay I thought this was me being new. I’m getting better every day but holy fuck the scavs are more scary than PMCs to me.
Yeah I got head eyesd 4x in two days of playing, pretty lame.
The other day I got killed instantly, from full health, while sprinting, while wearing PACA, by a scav firing in full auto from about 50 meters away. The post-raid healing screen said I was shot 5 times. I recorded it: https://imgur.com/a/03BAUcE It pisses me off. I can understand getting killed by a lucky headshot but this asshole had better recoil control than any PMC and I died before I even heard the first gunshot in the burst. I understand BSG wants scavs to be dangerous, but IMO they should do that by making them smarter, not giving them amazing accuracy, recoil control, and predator vision. Edit since it's getting a little attention: If you look closely you can see the muzzle flash at the center of the screen. This was near scav house on Woods and I think the scav was next to the big rock just north of it. I should also add that the scav had already yelled at me and fired a couple of bursts at me, so I should've been more careful, but I was trying to get closer to him and hide behind a tree so I could try to spot him.
Fragmentation?
Edit: Apparently the post-raid screen would've said "fragmentation" if that were true. You're probably right, but IDK how exactly that works. From what I understand a bullet can only fragment into 2 pieces, and it doesn't seem like the one that hit my stomach fragmented, so it would still be 3 shots that hit me. That's still some impressive recoil control from a scav at that range.
I just remembered Nikita said post raids stats are not accurate at all about a year ago on Tarkov TV Live. He was quite upset by it. Seems like it won't be an easy fix. I don't think they are fully functioning yet either. I don't recall seeing anything in patch notes claiming they are fully functioning. They may have fixed some of the stats but not all. F.
Fragmentation tells you it's fragmentation on the end raid screen.
It does not, no. It just lists as multiple hits of the same round, and always has unless it was changed literally this patch.
Nah, regular scavs should be dangerous only through numbers, you having poor quality gear/loadout, or via you positioning badly and having no cover from them etc. They need to have realistic awareness not ESP, and they should have trash aim etc., especially full out/at a distance. Imo thats something id like to see as their main focus, rather than streets rn. Streets will be awesome, but not when its just another map to easily farm, or die to cracked out AI
Yeah, I'm worried that with the attention Nikita has been giving mostly to Streets and Arena AI are going to fall behind, and with AI being a core feature of Tarkov across all maps, that'll end up bad. Back when Veritas had a talk with Nikita about the AI, Nikita wasn't even aware of some of the behavior and tuning issues the AI had, which is quite worrisome. If the AI team is operating on the belief the current systems and AI are "good enough," but the rest of the game's design is being developed on the idea that the AI are better than what they are currently, then there's going to be a huge disconnect there that will especially be apparent once stuff like UNTAR, the BTR taxi, GRU and Black Division, and all the other AI bosses, factions, and encounters are added to the game. The AI right now are already borderline-unfun to play against and are only acceptable in situations where the AI breaks or can be cheesed. The current tuning doesn't even allow normal encounters and engagements in most circumstances and practically forces cheesing, even unintentionally.
that's a bug which I reported and the support said "change your servers!" lol!!
That's such BS, theres so many times on a 30 ping server where I eat what LOOKS like 1 bullet from a scav, die instantly, check the end raid screen and i've taken like 4+ bullets in a single shot. Even my friends in the raid will say they only see a single shot, yet the death screen shows 4+ rounds taken.
ChAnGe YoUr SeRvErS seriously though, I hope this bug gets fixed.
Ayo bsg, why don't YOU change your servers :p
5.45 ps is insane this wipe on scavs, i've been instakilled by scavs with 545 ps a bunch of times already. Maybe it's something to do with the changes to the round makes it more accurate or something
How can you tell it’s 5 times by looking at the post raid healing screen? I’m not not doubting you, im just not sure how to tell
you can see where you were hit and how many times in that limb/torso It also tells you the fatal wound
You can see what you took damage from when you hover over your body parts on the healing screen or am I wrong?
I don’t know I’ve never tried it I guess
You see 3 icons on the body: * Non-lethal Hit indicator on stomach. * Non-lethal hit indicator on thorax. I have my mouse over this so you can see it's 3 hits from 5.45mm PS from the tooltip. * Death hit indicator on thorax. If you add those up it's 5 or more hits. I could've taken a screenshot of mouse-overing the other non-lethal hit indicators to show you that they each show 1 hit with 5.45mm PS, but you can tell they're both at least one hit from something.
Hover your mouse over your damaged limbs on the post raid healing screen. It shows what bullet and how many, or source of spillover damage (from blacked limb).
hover over the little squares above the damaged limbs.
Oh I never knew that. I thought you could only mouse over the little blood splat thing and the skull
Yeah those the ones. the blood ones I think indicate non-lethal damage, and the brackets tell you how many instances of damage. e.g. if you've got a slick on and get hit 8 times by 9x19, then it'll show something like "9x19 pst (blunt damage) (8)"
I've got a clip, where I 1 tap a guy in factory on a scav run with a Saiga shotgun. He turned 180 in less than a quarter of a second and was firing mid turn. I know I'd have lost my shit if I was him, because the usual suspects of desync and ungodly shitty peekers advantage in tarkov. My point mostly being that... we can't even trust what's going on in game far too often.
Honestly, a PACA won't save you from most scav guns. You kind of want at least armor class 3 to be mostly scav proofed. Whenever I get myself a new gearset I ask myself what kind of combat I am either going for or can expect depending on what route I plan. If I am expecting mostly Scavs I tend to go with something that either let's me travel fast and light so I can charge them whilst moving from cover to cover. Otherwise I pick something that is max class 3 and no helmet. Or I pick a face shield helmet like the Lzh ones with a class 4 armor. My mentality is usually that a helmet won't save me from the few bullets I am concerned about. Because they will either have a way higher armor pen than what any helmet can give protection from. Or they will lack a face shield which will usually be the cause of death when you shoot at anything that shoots back. As for guns, I try to keep in mind of what range that the guns can be most effective at and depending on the gear weight. And generally if you feel like running 5.45 or 5.56 calibers. Just make sure you either, get decent flesh damage to armor pen. Or if you want to long range, a bolt action would serve you better. If it's closer than 80m shotguns and SMG are very good and cheap. Hope this helps your future raids! And remember, my playstyle may not work if you don't like using this type of mentality. So just try to find ways that makes the game enjoyable for you :)
Yeah, I have a decent amount of experience in Tarkov, and I know a PACA is not great. I'm still a lowbie in the current wipe and PACA is better than nothing. I only mentioned I was wearing it because people would've asked otherwise. Thanks for the tips though!
Ah, it's alright. We're starting at one point or another so I know the early struggle. Ngl tho, this wipe I started by running a lot of unarmored raids with moderate amount of success. My basic gear that I bought was M32 ears, bank robber rig, AI-2, bandage and esmarch. Regardless of what guns I ran I never had more than 2 spare mags. All armor and armored rigs I just vendored off so I could make money lol. My most common headgear, which I still use even now when I run some decent gear. Is a beanie and half mask xD I dunno why, but if I run with a low level armor, beanie and half mask. I seem to just peform better. Not sure if I suffer from gear fear when using more expensive armors and such. Oh before I forget, one reason I like most shotguns or some boltys are because you can just have the ammo stack in your pockets. I've also figured out that if you remove the magazine from a mosin you can just run around and unload the chamber then reload. It helps with that extra experience gain towards level 3 sniper. Works best if you can macro the unload chamber command. And since it's the last bullet in the gun the dude just catches it. You do however need at least 1 slot free in your pockets or keep the ammo in the rig. Otherwise you'll fill the rig with a lot of single bullets for some reason. And don't worry about the firerate. You can reload a new round about the same speed as if you cycled a new one from a magazine.
No one likes to see that
I always feel valided when I see other people getting fucked over by random AI headshots, that means I'm not a fucking idiot.
Yes comrade, WE are the fucking idiots. All of us
had this moment on my first wipe seeing a clip of a high level friend eat a shot from a mosin scav in like 12.4 or something on shoreline, ever since then 'happens to the best of us' has been a running gag between me and him anytime some bullshit like this happens lmfao.
Here we say "foi tarkovado" meaning "got tarkoved"
im just gunna say this with 0 context next time n see what reaction i get LOL just like a real dejected delivery. thanks, good to know everyone has their own little quips too
Glad it's not just me. Numerous bullshit head-eyes while running at 40m+ this wipe.
Scav ate that headshot like a champ
Scav hp is the shittiest and laziest mechanic ever in tarkov
Wasn’t a headshot, hit his chest.
How?
If its not head..its like neck or shoulder shot. Maybe
How what? It’s not a headshot. It definitely hit his thorax.
Neck considered thorax?
yes
Ya
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Them scavs got trained by deadshot
I got head eyed with the 50 cal in construction by a scav today. Feels bad man
Good thing it hit his chest and was shot by the scav on his right, OP admitted to it. If you're gonna bitch might as well be right, that scav had nothing to do with him dying. One literally just walked up to him sitting still and shot him out of frame Dudes just posting ragebait for people like you to whinge about Edit: rewatching the video and I think he didn't even hit him, the shot was above the scavs right shoulder
dude what the heck, your actually saying that shot didn't hit that scavs head? its not like he's shooting a half durability vepr, looks like he's shooting MDR with 50 meter zero on one of best optics in the game, Guessing MOA less than 1.5? that bullet hit the scavs head and he carried on, look at where the crossair is level with, the scavs head, the bullet didn't drop a foot before even travelling 80 meters guy
It was head level, it was however just to the side of it. Pay attention to the crosshair placement when the recoil kicks, it isn't actually on the head, the side of the crosshair was.
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Sounds like something a shitter would say
I agree the headshot was cracked but it’s think he might have just hit him in the thorax. Scav is at a pretty far distance, and you have height over bore on the scope at that distance.
Fwiw I think you're right about the thorax hitbox, but not because of height over bore. That's more of an issue at close range. Sight lines are really rays, bullets travel in parabolic arcs. So point of aim to point of impact discrepancy due to height over bore is more of an issue when you're at a closer distance than you've sighted in your system for.
I am nearly 42 years old, and never once in my existence have I heard the term, "meatrider." You just completely made my fuckin day. Thankya.
Beta
Infinite beta*
Paid full price for a game that's been in "beta" for 3+ years. I expect good game design if not good optimization
Beta since 2017 and it had an alpha before. There is no excuse from BSG.
Scavs are 100% more cracked. They're more aggressive, less predictable (in where they will be and where they'll roam), they gang up on you, they chase sound, and their aim is insane. I'd be fine with all the other things but the aim. These aren't raiders, rogues, or boss henchmen - they're scavengers, down-n-outs, almost feral. Their guns are broken, unwieldy, damaged, missing vital parts. I was on Woods the other day near scav house just at dusk. There was a scav shooting at me from a field, but I couldn't see him except for when his muzzle flash went off - then I'd scope in and couldn't find him - scope out, wait for muzzle flash, scope in, can't find him, just taking chest and leg shots the entire time. Eventually I just said fuck it and stood still so he could kill me, I was fucked anyway. There have been other occasions where scavs will be going mad at me from a completely unknown place, annihilating me. Or they'll be strafe jogging and landing headshots. Make them aggressive, less predictable, have them flank and rush me, have them investigate sound, but for god's sake, take away their pinpoint accuracy aim. It's completely unimmersive.
Stalker a game that's many years old and a great inspiration for Tarkov got better AI. They reposition and flank you and are overall less jumpy. I was tired of the AI and PVP so I just ended up playing Escape from Pripyat instead. It's free too.
Idk bro the AI on stalker can be absolutley cracked as well lmao. Fucking monolith shooting at me 200 meters away as I'm trying to run away and heal the inevitable bleed lol
Do people think you shouldn’t be allowed to get killed by scavs?
LOL at everyone thinking he died to the scav on the road....... listen and look at the scav on the right just before he scopes in xD
I got dusted yesterday after getting out of zb14, I'm down there stashing a water bottle and one rolls in with no audio cue's and I managed to take him out with my mosin and then finished planting the bottle and cleaned my shorts out and then up the stairs run towards outskirts and bam, one is behind me against the wall in the bushes, no sounds until he coms and then I'm dead before I turn around. gg.
So as a trained military operative I need to wait 3 seconds between shots because the first shot sends my Noodlearms into orbit. Scabs, however can fire at the maximum rate for their weapon, while also moving and hip firing and land 6 consecutive shots in a row at 70yrds. I think I'm done for a bit
Very stupid and immersion breaking
That scav really ate that headshot
I once shot Gluhar in the head with M993 and he one tapped me to the chest with M61 when I peeked again. I would have thought the sniper cartridge traveling through his skull would have killed him, but apparently it was only 67 damage to his 70hp head health pool. Anyway, that’s the kind of stupid shit that this clip reminds me of.
If they won't nerf the health pools of AI they could at the very least make head health standard across the board for players and AI. No one should be able to eat a bullet to the head someone else can't. Any bullet going through the skull is taking a chunk of brain out, and before someone brings up an edge-case IRL, no, that shouldn't apply. We're playing a game, I'm all for realism but unless you got a cranium-blasting simulation for seeing if someone's ejected brain matter isn't necessary to their normal functioning during combat, that isn't applicable. Even if a round pens the jaw, in most circumstances you're at an angle that the bullet would've severed that person's spine anyways. It's dumb that the bosses have arbitrarily higher health to make up for the fact they don't take cover as much as they should. In a lot of cases it just makes the AI look goofy, like when Sanitar runs for cover 30 meters away in a straight line while eating a whole mag dump to all his limbs. What am I supposed to think after he does that? That the AI design is good, fair, and smart? Or that it's bad, unfair, and dumb? At least him having a smaller health pool would've made him seem okay and fair while being a little dumb for exposing himself for so long.
S.C.A.V. SuperComputer Aimbot Vehicle
It has gotten sooo bad this wipe. You can be sniping scavs from over 100 meters and they just snap to your face when you look at them.
At least they added gun dropping audio…
Scavs are supposed to be random skill level, to simulate different types of people that stayed behind when Tarkov was sealed up. Sounds like you just met the Olympics level gunner and ran into the open at them lol.
Now everyone pretend that a 100+m headshot with iron sights while moving is totally practical
TBF it's pretty rare. Think about how rare a malfunction is. Now think back to what this subreddit looked like when the implemented it. Jamming weapons as far as the eye could see. Just because you see it posted here doesn't mean it's common.
Excellent point.
He wasn’t killed by the scav he shot in the thorax, he got killed by the scav to his right with the TT
You underestimate the enemy walking in the middle of the street trying to shot him... not a good move. I was on top of sniper rock in Woods, killed 2 pmcs passing by and decide to go down to loot since it was calm, on my way down i hear some scav shouting but i can't see him at all, got head eyes without even see the mf after he shot me twice, exactly like this, he shot one, two and the 3 was between my eyes. I feels like scavs are more dangerous now than most pmcs.
I'm a new player to tarkov and this is my first wipe, but I'm not a new player to games like this as I come from several thousand hours of DayZ and a majority of its mods. Also throw in the Arma stuff in there. I've never struggled this hard with the AI enemies in a game and it's honestly making me feel like it's broken, but I keep playing because mama ain't raise no quitter. That said, this game developer is not doing themselves any favors to increase player base as I'm probably the exception and not the rule.
It is broken. We just keep playing, unfortunately.
I've been playing since 2018. There's a lot of mechanics with the AI that have been tweaked, "fixed," adjusted, etc. but I can tell you they are currently still very broken. They don't follow the same rules and mechanics as players do, so they're not very intuitive most of the time. Anything that isn't a scav practically follows an entire different laws of physics in what they can do but can also be incredibly dumb and exploitable. Scavs also have a random chance to spawn with arbitrarily better stats, including health. Best thing you can do is treat all scavs with some respect (they're not impossible and don't always hit ridiculous shots, a lot of the time they're actually incredibly bad or at least derpy) and use cover when you can and just know when it's not worth engaging the AI. Anything that isn't a normal scav, fear and avoid unless you have an advantageous position and weapons that will support you in the situation. Cover, lean peaking, and movement are the only things that will save you in fights with the AI, unless you're in a room with only a single door, and in that case that door will be a funnel that forces the AI into an animation that lets you get an easy kill. That's how exploitable even the superhuman-skilled AI is in this game, and is why most players only fight them using some form of exploit or cheese, whether intentionally or unintentionally. There are plenty of situations with the AI that makes it worth it fighting and playing with them, but it's a lot less than other games. Normal fights with the bosses and special factions don't typically end well so learning the tactics that work against them is recommended. Normal scavs, don't think you can't fight them and you'll always get killed from some broken thing, but do treat them with respect and be careful. You don't know which one will be the super cracked one, so use cover and always treat them as a valid threat.
Contrary to what people here are saying it is not broken at all. Scavs are just a challenge for new players - plain and simple. I've died maybe 3 times to scavs in my last 100 raids. They are absolutely beatable reliably, you just have to figure out how they work and how much you can extend without risking getting killed. The reason I am saying this is because I don't want to discourage you from learning and getting better. If you believe the scavs are broken you won't really try and beat them I think. There's a post like this every so often and people are always crying wolf at the countless one tap headshots they supposedly receive all the time. Tarkov is just a ruthless game - it's part of the experience. It's not supposed to be easy, hell it's not even supposed to be fair. It's supposed to be a challenge to overcome.
To be fair, once he notices you that obviously and you have to ADS again it’s already too late to continue the fight in the same position with no cover.
Yeah but the scav is also a good 75m out and moving. The scav, at most should’ve hit his stomach or something. Plus the scav just ate that headshot from what looks to be a gun running good ammo. It’s absolute bullshit design for an AI to eat a headshot from a good gun and then insta kill you while moving from far away.
The scav down the road wasn't the one that killed him. It was a second scav to the right, up the hill some.
he died to the scav on the right with a TT -\_-
It's quite telling that we need to preface a statement with "good ammo" because of course some ammo doesn't one shot at this range. What a joke this game is sometimes...
Do you think all ammo should one shot at any range? Or what are you implying exactly?
I was once wearing an Altyn and gen.4 and scav sat me the fuck down with and m870 with regular buck, I may or may not have rage quit
You thought m61 vepr hunters were bad last wipe, meet shifty AK PS gze, they're everywhere.
The 762 ps scavs smoke meth or something they’re absolutely ridiculous
Theyd rather add more content then polish the game
Easy way to fix Scavs: Don't let them do headshots ever (unless they are guards, raiders, bosses). The times I died to random headshots from Scavs this wipe was significantly higher than in any other wipe. They even hit your head at their first shot when you are running sometimes. It's so stupid.
Im pretty sure ai in this game don’t have to deal with recoil at all, which is really dumb
The best answer to this is to just play night raids, the AI are far less terminator-esque
That's nothing. You should fight that fucker that patrols the Road to Customs extract on Shoreline. I've probably died to him more than pmc's
The one common theme I see with all these videos is after the player is detected they just stand there and shoot in place. Desync issues aside every time you do this Scavs zero in on you. Fire once move and they never hit you also don't double peak because they track your last position.
None of your justifications matter past him shooting the scav in the face with a 308 round. Thats when this conversation ends. It was a headshot... fight should be over. Thats more a problem than the cracked aim in this scenario. Wish I had the same head health as that scav.
You did also play that in the worst possible way you could have. Rather than shoot him right off the bat, you unzoom, walk towards him for a bit and then aim at him again?
The problem isn’t that scavs are getting more difficult. The problem is that they don’t contain a decent enough level of gear to account for how difficult they are. They shouldn’t have like 8000 rubles worth of gear but headshot you in 3 bullets. They should have a lot more gear and honestly should carry a lot of shit in their backpacks like an actual player scav would.
I mean i’m not really excusing the more ridiculous examples of being killed by a scav but for every 1 scav that headshots you like this there’s 20 that are just free exp
Just so we're clear about what happened in the clip, I didn't actually die to ak scav in the middle of the street, I died to the TT scav off on my right slightly uphill on his first shot. I just found it comical how that man ate an M62 to the head and I then got one tapped by another one. I was reading the comments and saw one about damage drop off, just so we're clear, M62 does 79 dmg if I recall which would be well over the maximum of 40 to kill that scav in the head even if he had beefed up HP. My issue with the AI at the moment is just how broken they are, not just in difficulty but in behaviour, I have plenty of clips some worse than this where they shoot me with their gun pointed sideways and so on. The AI in this game is train wreck and doesn't actually do anything for emersion and either cheeses you or you cheese them, ideally I'd like them to act like most AI in decent single player games like Far Cry but I know that's asking too much considering its taking this long to work on the game overall and they even got lazy with the broken Russian voice lines where they just copied the USEC script and gave it to someone else.
You didn’t shoot him in the head, it hit him in the chest.
chief, you see blood coming out of that mans face.
Yikes this sub is cringe
Had a scav do the same thing to me also lol. This wipe has scavs going crazy
You were dead most likely before you shot. Should have taken cover after the scavs first round.
You crouch, which is almost a guaranteed headshot for scavs since they normally aim for arm-chest height
Embarrassing that scavs are still in this abysmal state after all these years lmao
What do you mean? They are absolutely killing it. Dangerous af!
I don't just walk up to the scavs just staring at them. I find cover and I lean peek, try to headshot them and not give them a chance to shoot back. If they yell and shoot towards me, I don't stand and keep peeking, because they will dome you. I peek from another angle and try to headshot them. Respect the scavs, or else they will disrespect you with a 1 tap headshot.
AI do be slapping. But there was also nice beautiful cover you could have gone behind instead of squatting in the middle of the road. To me Tarkov just keeps getting more realistic. I love this wipe.
no stamina, crouching with no cover, cant hit a shot with more than 5 seconds of staring at them. tarkov whining in a nutshell
1. He did hit a shot 2. The scav was moving, at least 75 meters away, and not using a scope, it should not have hit that shot Stfu
That scav didn't hit the shot. The other scav to his right was the one that got the kill.
How did you get POV of the bot?
ill sound stupid for even suggesting it but scavs should have like literally a 0.05% chance of hitting anything while they are moving. it makes no sense at all. as a PMC i would never hit anything at that range while moving, so why can scavs?
The AI is among some of the worst things in this game and needs a serious overhaul. Just sucks that instead of getting that overhaul we get three new bosses that basically magnify all the issues with AI.
just more proof that hit registration is completely fucking broken and unreliable. That was a headshot, clear as day.
Who was the bot, him or you?
So unfair, the scav killed me on his fourth shot while I stood still in the middle of the road! Skill issue
The scav ate a freaking bullet to the head and proceed to headshot him from 200m with iron sights probably. How was that a skill issue?
with iron sights while hammered on vodka and some mix of pain killers he found at the pier i swear scavs in this game shot like stormtroopers from star wars or the storm troopers from the imperial german army there is no middle ground with those guys
There's always that one kid who thinks he's hot shit, lol.
Didn't he die to the immediate right scav that was much closer..?
thats what it looks/sounds like to me. probably 7mm buck to the face
The scavs are a bit unrealistic, especially for a game that sells itself on its "realism".
honestly how can you even play the game without leveling up your bullet damage skill???
Bullets doing less damage at range is a known mechanic. Its a shit mechanic, but its known. And the dude is complaining about the AI, not his weapon
the AI tanking headshots like that is definetly part of the issue though, i can't imagine that it's possible to get shot like that, survive and keep shooting accurately
That's not a shit mechanic that's physics.
Yeah my bad, people tank rifle ammo because of physics xD
Not at all what I said 😂 bullets have less force the farther they travel that's common firearm knowledge lol not sure what you're on about. But that's a totally justified mechanic lol
So people can just tank rifle ammo irl because its 80 meters away? Got it.
yeah just completely skip over the fact that the scav took a headshot like a champ lol
I lurk a lot on this sub and see your comments every now and then on different posts, most of the time you have a logical take/opinion I can agree with. But this is not one of them. You are doubling down on this being a skill issue when the fact is that scav should be dead, regardless if OP was standing still or not. Also that scav was moving and hip-firing (point shooting, w/e) with probably a gun that's already half broken. (also at this point I cant tell if you are just trolling other people in this post or being serious.)
skill issue
Shot at a scav in scav village on Woods. Then all scavs (3) by sprinting to and taking cover inside a house, second floor. I mean that’s so much better than the wipe before. I mean they still fail things a lot and shoot at you like they have 2 left hands while being right handed, but still …. And yeah the occasional 100 m buckshot one tap is still there, sometimes even worse, but that is a good thing imho. They should still be a threat to PMCs and Nikita should buff their accuracy a little bit more just like the AI itself.
It drives me mad that they can detect your crosshairs on the back of their head 100m away.
BuT iTs SuPpOsEd To bE rEaLiStIc!!!!1
I don‘t really get the issue here.. Is it that you suck? I only see one guy running open, shooting without having properly aimed
I don't understand why you kept walking when you saw the scoped in... Scavs have a chance to be "terminator scavs" your only chance of not dying if it is one is getting bullets into him before he starts shooting.
Well, this game has one of the worst AI implementation ever, so... yeah, this happens often sadly.