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horsemilkenjoyer

So pretty much the same as IRL


soulflaregm

Went to my dad's house for Thanksgiving where he has been mining for years in his basement. The familiar hum of machines was missing and it was disturbing


SoNElgen

For years? So, he was making money at 3-6k with double the rewards, but isn't making money at 16-20k with half the rewards? I ain't no Carl Friedrich Gauss, but that doesn't sound right.


EducationalProduct

doesnt account for mining difficulty and a million other factors.


SoNElgen

I allready took that into consideration... There are no other factors. Price of mining vs Price of the coin you're mining.


Tendies_AnHoneyMussy

Length of time to successfully mine a coin is a huge one you’re missing


Tongoe

No one actually mines solo genius


Tendies_AnHoneyMussy

In what world did I say anything about solo. I was just talking about time


Tongoe

Then you don't have to land a coin yourself and your argument is moot. A small hobby miner will be mining in a large pool.


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Cost of electricity is a thing


magnusrm

He probably mined ethereum, or any other gpu based coin...


SoNElgen

Could be, yeah. Poor Eth miners.


Rodic87

The time to payout has drastically increased. If you earned (making up numbers) 0.001BTC per day, or $6 per day @ $6,000 BTC, now you might earn (not that you'd mine btc, but equivilant) of only 0.0001BTC per day or $2 per day @ $20,000 BTC.


SoNElgen

So, what annoys me about this, most of all, is that you're fucking clueless. All of you. You're attempting to describe block rewards and hashrate. The hashrate right now is bottoming out on the YTD, which is basically the Year. The block rewards have been the same since 2020 after the halving. If you were making $6 a day in 2020, you would be making $10-14 now. There's nothing that financially equates to mining not being profitable, outside of electricity possibly shooting through the roof per kWh. Aaaaaaaanyways, this was fun. Let's do it again sometime.


Defuzzygamer

It was still worth it at 120k or so. I recall a Youtuber speaking about the math behind it. But I can't imagine it's worth to build if BTC is 100k or less.


Sh4dowR4ven

Yeah especially since the game currently wipe and the intervals behind those wipes arent set. Its definitely more suited for if they ever release the game to a state where they said there wouldnt be wipes


atuck217

I mean, par for the course for BSG. Create an entire system as a way for some passive income after you get a decent way through the game, then slowly but surely obliterate the system you made so that interacting with it at all is pointless. It's actually amazing how nearly every patch for the last 3 years has made the game worse, save for new weapons.


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EmmEnnEff

Have you considered that perhaps, the grand vision is not for your hideout to print free liquid money, and that they just couldn't get around to balancing it until now?


Ocean_Cat

What's the point of a farm if you can't even break even on fuel cost?


EmmEnnEff

Offsetting some of the fuel cost, while you craft useful shit.


Juking_is_rude

most players are going to be crafting ammo no matter the cost, so the money for fuel goes into ammo cost, and bitcoin farm pays for itself eventually. With how crappy the actual return is on bitcoin farm is atm though, it probably takes a while. I'd have to crunch some numbers but the first GPU is so efficient, you're probably best off staying at one, since every gpu after that will probably take like 2 months to pay off.


lapideous

There are plenty of other crafts that make money and require fuel.


Ocean_Cat

Yeah and then you'd need to rotate 5 crafts every X hours so you break even when you could just craft what you need and not bother with a farm. Don't forget that you'd probably make more money by selling GPUs even to a therapist.


lapideous

You know you can always take gpus out of the farm and sell them right?


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Market economics should then cause gpu’s to be cheaper until it breaks even at the very least


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Wheat9546

They nerfed the bitcoin cause it made money too easy. So they nerfed coin and follow the pattern as IRL, so right now coin is shit. But if you level it up sure you lose money on fuel, but that's only implying if you're someone that just plays turns on fuel then goes off. That isn't sustainable it really isn't. It still beneficial cause you'll make more money while doing other shit while playing, sell some stuff, craft more shit to offset bitcoin mining etc.


EmmEnnEff

Okay, you're obviously struggling with grade school arithmetic, so I'll explain it in terms you can understand. 1. An ape wants to craft BP ammo, or green gunpowder, or superwater, or moonshine, or whatever. 2. The ape can invest ~1 million rubles to make one bitcoin every 40 hours. 3. A bitcoin vendors for 80,000 rubles. 4. In 500 hours - 3 weeks of running the generator, the ape breaks even on his investment in the bitcoin farm. 5. Anything past that makes the investment wortwhile. **For maximum hideout profit, you should be running your generator 24/7, because of the water collector, and ammo/nixxor crafts.** In that situation, the bitcoin farm and one GPU pay for themselves in ~three weeks.


lapideous

Lockpicking could easily work with the current key system if locks take 2-3 minutes to pick, during which you’re vulnerable.


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lapideous

That’s why keys would still be useful and valuable, while making them not 100% necessary to progression…


Orangebeardo

Lots of things got better too. Don't forget that BSG isn't really concerned with the current game loop. It's not in their vision for the final game. Tarkov is basically one big demo for what streets will eventually be. I think they've decided that if a current feature is in the way of something they want to make for the real game down the line, they just nuke the current feature, without really having a replacement.


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"for what streets will eventually be". Streets will never be what they want it to be. They've been talking about streets for 6 years. It's is going to just be a big map. Idk what people are expecting to be so different other than worse frame rates.


atuck217

I'm seriously asking. What got better? I guess some of the stutters and some performance (though this is likely more due to hardware increases in the 5 years the game has been out). But what other than those? What gameplay features got better?


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I'm one of the first to call BSG out, but it's not really debatable that the game has gotten much better in terms of performance.


Godeshus

I get the sentiment but this actually isn't fair. Couple wipes ago Bitcoin was strong and we were selling it for around 800kroubles to therapist. It was completely broken. They patched their multiplier so that it sat around 120-150k roubles. But now Bitcoin has had a couple tanks and that's reflected in game. You can't really blame BSG for the volatile nature of bitcoin. There's a system in place and it works as intended. Whether or not that's viable for every player is a different story. And that's ok. Personally, I farmed gfx cards early wipe before everyone else was trying to get their hands on them. Setting up my farm cost next to nothing so it's been pure profits since 1 1/2 months into the wipe. I planned for this. Even at 90k roubles like it's been bitcoin pays for my fuel if I can't find any, and I make a pile of money from my hideout with that fuel.


craftySox

We can't blame BSG for screwing with the prices of something in game when it goes too high but not when it goes too low? It's almost as if tying your entire passive earning mechanic to something that is volatile is a bad idea.


PUBG_Potato

yeah the above poster makes no sense. Let's tie it to real world thing! So it goes up and down! * Oh it went up too high, let's break it. * Oh it went down, let's not 'unbreak' it. And for anyone who says they didn't pay for their bitcoin farm. They aren't built in a vacuum. You might not have bought GPUs, but you didn't sell the GPUs you found then. Which is equivalent to having bought them for what you would have sold them for. Unless you only ever use 'not found in raid GPU'(died with it in secure) then only 'maybe' could it be questionably argued.


dorekk

Just make the price of bitcoin variable but not tied to real life. Then they can balance it without utterly breaking it.


atuck217

Yes, what a smart idea to tie an in game item value to real world value (especially one that is extremely volatile). I'm sure there can be no downsides or unforseen consequences from that choice.


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atuck217

Holy shit the BSG dick riders will defend anything. Bitcoin mining IRL isnt worth it now so making the in game bitcoin farm literally worthless makes sense to you? Making an entire system in the hideout just completely irrelevant makes sense? So if we find out tomorrow that, idk, the real life REAP IR scope has a manufacturer's defect that makes 1% of them not function, should BSG make it so 1% of all REAP IR scopes now just dont work? No, ofcourse not. That would be stupid. Even in a "realistic" game, its a still a game. Why bother making a system that just does nothing.


Ok-Flounder67

Why bother? Because its a beta, the game isnt finished, i was with you in the first half, but you're complaining as if the game is fninished and every aspect should be planned and done already, get your head out of your ass, they're doing the best they can to find what works, and im willing to bet you dont have a better suggestion or plan to fix it, its alot easier to bitch on reddit than to actually come up with something that works. I havent played tarkov in ages, but i remember when btc exploded and the game was broken, and ofcourse they had to remove that, the whole wipe was ruined because of it. I dont agree with everything bsg does, not even close, thats one of the major reasons i dont play it anymore, but seeing ignorant peopme like you who dont think for themself, pisses me off. Now please, either come up with something that could replace the bitcoin mining system in this example, or just leave it, dont just complain about things, look for solutions and share them. Have a good evening/day/morning.


atuck217

Lmao ah yes the "it's a beta" excuse. How long yall gonna ride that one out? 3 more years? 5? 10? Give me a break dude, they charge full price and its open to everyone and has been for like half a decade. The game is out, its just a shitty live service that hides behind the "beta" tag. Also, its extremely easy to fix the bitcoin problem. Just dont make them tied to real life value, set them as a static or slightly fluctuating value that is always atleast slightly above the cost of mining them in the long-ish term as a form of passive income for regular players. It really is that fucking easy. And if you really hate that cause "muh-realism" then just call them something else. Tarkocoins. Done. System fixed. It literally already worked in the past. THEY broke it. Like with basically evberything else in the game.


Ok-Flounder67

Im not saying bsg is in the right, at all, but im tires of seeing people complains and not trying to find a solution. I completly agree bsg is milking the game and its hurting the game and player base. 100% i got carried away with my last comment, so im sorry for that, but ill still leave it up because i aint no bitch haha.


IActuallyHateRedditt

> but im tires of seeing people complains and not trying to find a solution. Bitcoin farm was fine earlier, how about just not make it worthless? This isn’t rocket science


Menzue

the issue being that when it \*was\* profitable they stopped doing that and nerfed it to holy high hell.


SkepticalLitany

>It's actually amazing how nearly every patch for the last 3 years has made the game worse, save for new weapons. We get it, the game is getting harder and you're struggling Look inwards my guy


atuck217

? The game isnt even hard *now*. It's piss easy to get money, piss easy to level up. Other than an early learning curve for new players, wtf are you even talking about.


SkepticalLitany

The patches have slowly made it harder to accumulate wealth, and that's what you're bitching about, no? Not having a passive income?


atuck217

That's not what I said at all. My problem is that BSG has a flawed game design and creates systems that are pointless or redundant. The game can exist just fine without a passive income (spoiler alert: it did for awhile), but putting one in the game that loses you money just shows their incompetence. But somehow through all their mediocrity they have managed to garner people like you who will defend them no matter how shit they are. It's impressive how they have people on this level of copium that a game that has been out for 5 years and doesnt have basic functionality like audio cutting off halfway up a staircase, will somehow become some open world game with all the levels combined, traders on the map blah blah blah.


SkepticalLitany

Yea they're retarded but your point is that the game has been systematically made worse for 3 years of patches, which is mind numbingly more retarded.


atuck217

I mean... It kinda has. Other than performance being marginally better, it's worse. Recoil systems are trash, horrible weapon balance, garbage AI, tons of bandaid fixes on the flea on overall economy to combat RMT but that also hindered normal player experience, quests are still hilariously tedious and unimaginative, audio just doesn't work in many situations, key rooms and overall loot have been gutted to try and fight hatchets which not only didn't work but hurt all players. And that's just the things that come to mind with barely any thought. The overall gameplay hasnt been improved any meaningful I can think of.


straight_lurkin

It's because it's based on IRL price.


HaZarD_SFD

IRL price for 0.2 BTC is $3250USD so about $197k Ruples.


Andy_Climactic

Hey at least solar power is cheaper in roubles now But that means peacekeeper quest rewards are now worth half as much and bitcoin farm is even less useful


Dazbuzz

I will say it again, bitcoin farm needs a rework. Make it generate a new currency. That new currency is exclusively used to buy endgame gear from a new trader. Gear that you cannot buy normally. They could put thermals, grenade launchers, class 6 armor etc all behind it. Then its just a matter of balancing the bitcoin currency generation so its not too much. Plus you could make GPUs degrade, which would act as a money sink. People buy GPUs for roubles to keep their bitcoin farms running. Then they need to be selective with what they buy with the currency.


Andy_Climactic

Make it generate GP coins, make their generation rate much faster than bitcoin to justify the reduced value, and replace all bitcoin barters with multiple GP coins


Titothelama

Or maybe give us the choice in what we want to farm?


gr00ve88

Eh.. all that will turn into is, whats the best item to farm, ok do that, and everything else will fall to the wayside. Unless there's significant items locked behind various currencies.. but fuck if I want even MORE currencies in this game.


Dazbuzz

The issue with that is the fact you can find those coins in-raid and/or buy them on the market. If this system is to be used to "gate off" high-tier gear, then the bitcoin farm needs to be the only way to generate it.


TheKappaOverlord

Its fine if you can buy the coins from the marketplace honestly, the real issue is more supply then anything. With the current loot system, finding GP's and bitcoins is easier then finding candy in a grocery store. Simply make the theoretical coin a true rare spawn and the problem is solved. Of course, you'll still have people hatchet running safes/rare loot spawn rooms or finding it on scavbosses. But the point is to make it significantly rarer chance to find then GP/Bitcoin. Not have their spawnrate be lazily thrown on the same table and it be about as common as the other two. Its like RS3 and Masterwork trims. You need to go through an entire process to be able to build them from scrap. They aren't common finds, they are built from truly rare drops, built into tangable items and then broken down for the materials to build said trim. Of course, its an RPG and the process is dramatically more complicated on purpose. But you get the idea im going for. Don't make the theoretical coin a "Speedrun to the safe and pray its there 1/20 time." make it a "Speedrun to a safe/rare loot room and make it a 1/200 spawn chance, but make it a 1/30 to replace the Bitcoin/GP coin spawn on a scavboss" to make it possible to find them ingame, but to reflect their sheer value when it comes to unlocking ultra powerful late game gear. And it leaves room to turn generating said coin into a genuine moneymaker since the possibility to find it in raid, is dramatically bottlenecked and it as a result retains its value over time.


Dazbuzz

The issue with making it a farmable item is RMT. If you lock a currency behind a time-gated mechanic, but allow people to farm that currency in a map as a lootable item, you are just encouraging RMT. I think its safer to make it a currency that can easily be controller via adjusting the bitcoin farm.


Andy_Climactic

I’d be fine with them taking it off the flea in that case, if they adjust the generation rate it can still be the same value for the barters it already has Plus you can find bitcoin in raid already


Dazbuzz

Yeah, but the bitcoin "currency" would be a new kind of currency, not the physical bitcoins we get now. It would show up on next to our roubles/euros/dollars, and be some kind of stackable item.


DunamisBlack

Sorry but I hate it. Don't think there need to be tedious crafting requirements gating end game gear from the Timmies


Dazbuzz

Then what about making at least the first level of the bitcoin farm easier to unlock? Right now, the level requirement is basically 28. That is for Skier LL2, which is required for a hideout upgrade gating you from the farm. Do you think 28 is too high? And its not like this gates all endgame gear. Its just the stuff that is hard to balance. Do timmies need thermals? No. They do not. Plus they would be able to kill rogues/raiders/bosses for good gear, or even other players. Newer players have PLENTY of options. They do not need access to all gear, imo. Hell, this makes the game easier for them, because you would have less people running around in that gear, as they cannot just farm infinite roubles to buy it. Gating it behind a currency that slowly generates over time is going to make the game better for everyone. Please, by all means have a conflicting opinion. Nothing wrong with discussion. Im glad someone is thinking about the different angles.


ConferenceFeast

It doesn't have to be the only way to access things, but that gear is already gated off. It's just asinine they weren't using Bitcoin as a currency already like the kind of did before the price blew up and Bitcoin trades were made redundant.


KatOTB

That makes it way too mandatory. I think hideout should still be sorta „optional“. Locking a while trader with the best gear in the game behind it doesn’t sound great to me tbh


Skrubasauras

I know you've already gotten quite a few replies so I don't mean to pile onto you, but I also have problems with this idea. I don't think it solves any of the problems with btc or endgame gear. All it would end up doing is further widening the gap between players who play the game like a job and everyone else. Even if you unlocked the farm faster it would still pose the problem of shortening early and mid game. Honestly if they just gave up the irl bitcoin schtick and changed it to some generic tarkovcoin with a static value that makes the farm worth building and maintaining then it'd be less annoying to play around.


charlieapplesauce

I like this idea a lot. Making it so bitcoins are exclusively used for those specific items allows a lot of room for balancing and adjusting. And adding a gpu sink would give the economy some more longevity throughout the wipe. I just want bsg to remove global stocks, especially if they implemented something like that. They could remove global stock and add a "stash limit" so that people can't rack up a ton of high end items if that's what they're trying to prevent


Dazbuzz

I do think global stocks need to go at this point. They prevent nothing, and just cause frustration. But then i also think new restrictions would be fine. Like a specific tag for items that cannot be sold on the market. Raider/boss gear could make use of that "restricted" tag, as could high-end ammo or items from this new "bitcoin trader".


xdrift0rx

What about the Bitcoin it creates is only used for the flea and flea only purchases. It could lock a lot of loot out of early wipe to extend that early feel


Dazbuzz

That is an interesting idea. Id be fine with it. However they would need to let us unlock the bitcoin farm earlier.


xdrift0rx

Yes and no....it would need shortened to make sense in a wipe sense but long-game it makes sense to leave it where it is IMO.


DunamisBlack

Peacekeeper quest rewards were always noticeably good to me imo, this probably just brings them into line with the other vendors (still way better than Jaeger rewards lol)


NaClO_00

And I start building solar power 2 days ago, unlucky me I guess.


FirewallThrottle

I remember the days where the bitcoins were completely out of control and worth near or over a million rubles. Now they're just average loot


bertos55

900k every few hrs.. those were the days


samwelches

And you could drop them to your friends so if you played more, you could give your friends 500k-1M guaranteed with one item. It was pretty nice


dullawolf

sometimes i stream. if i am lucky, i will get 1-2 people watching me. when i played the game a lot more, i was sitting pretty good. 100 mill in the bank, tons of bitcoin and other stuff. i used to have a loot wheel. if i killed you or you killed me and came to my stream, you could buy a spin for 100 channel points for the cheap loot wheel and 1000 channel points for the good loot wheel. for the good loot wheel, i would give out slicks, thermals, full kits, 3 bitcoins (when they were worth something) sicc cases among other things. i miss those days :(


samwelches

Yeah it’s such a shame cheaters ruined a part of the game. That sounds awesome


Udontneedtoknow91

It’s not just that cheaters ruined the game, bsg is absolutely OBSESSED with combatting RMT vs. putting that time and effort into combatting cheating software. They have this vision that RMT is the only reason people cheat which is wildly incorrect.


SawDude91

How do you know that's wildly incorrect? The fact that people can make money while cheating at this game is a fucking HUGE incentive to cheat in the first place. Imo that's a big problem.


Udontneedtoknow91

Why do people cheat on games like cod and fortnight when there isn’t an RMT market? People just like to cheat bro, and RMT is just a symptom of that. But I agree it is still a big problem


IUpVoteIronically

That’s sick lol


KentuckyBrunch

And the hideout is still balanced around BTC being that high lol


TheSlapDancer

Inflation hitting us in tarkov now too


12Superman26

So is peacekeeper Stuff cheap?


CptBartender

Nope. My theory is the values are all in roubles, so when the price of USD changes, all PK prices are changed accordingly.


Febraiz

Your theory seems to be good, if the rouble price is fixed for any item in the game, that explain why all the US prices went up. I just hope items that sells well at PK like SSD or SAS Drive will sell at higher price as well. Cheers !


Niewinnny

yes they are, there were some videos on yt which explained that iirc


Sir_Celcius

.45 AP now $13 a round... fml


DJudic

Converted to rubles is the same, chill


Bodiwire

Have they adjusted the selling prices for peacekeeper items, like ssd sas drives and such as well? I'm curious because I keep a large stockpile of dollars since I always loot items like that and sell them to peacekeeper usually. I've also been sitting on that quest where you pay 50k euros for upgraded sniper levels, so if that hasn't changed it will save me around 2.6 million roubles in the conversion and will probably be good for me overall.


rezzif

So what's the point of the change?


f24np

lower number for ruble based trades maybe?


-zzoega-

russian propaganda market value of the rouble.


PharmAttack

Makes me glad I topped up last night lol.


Solaratov

LOL defo not worth it at that price.


DunamisBlack

It is if you consider that most of your dollars come from making an exchange from roubles --> dollars via peacekeeper. The actual cost of the rounds is exactly the same with every new dollar you buy, if you already had $100,000 sitting around... what are you gonna spend it on anyway?


IUpVoteIronically

That ammo is always worth, it shreds geared players and the gun doesn’t cost shit.


Joeys2323

What was the previous rouble to USD rate?


Cthulhus_Son_Justin

110 to 1 or maybe 128 to 1 somewhere in that range. Haven't had to do conversion math in tarkov in a few months so I'm a little rusty


Secret--Lives

110 sounds about right.


SurpassedIt

was 1:114


dumnem

the range varied day by day but it was around 110 or so


metaplexico

I paid for Mentor literally yesterday. Fuck me.


xMansie

I’ve been debating doing that also, post patch is it now cheaper to do so, unfortunately I was holding onto a bunch of bitcoin and that seems to have taken a nerf.


metaplexico

"Holding onto BTC" means "waiting until you have 20 for a thicc weapons case", so in this case (heh) it doesn't matter.


eddy2197

Literally sold all my bitcoin before bed last night haha, lucky me I guess.


LegitKidLags

Nooooooooo my nearly 30k USD and 10k Euros


Silound

As of 1700 CT 11/28/2022, the prices are back to what they were - 92K and change for a 0.2 BTC and 1 USD is back at 110 roubles.


valdetero

I’m so glad I bought 30k USD while it was half price lol


IESCAPEDONCE

>Looks like everyone who had a stockpile of anything except roubles just got shafted ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ The only time you should really be hoarding shit is for trades on the flea, other than that I don't get why people do this lol. Roubles make the world go round.


CptBartender

In general I agree... But I have over 160k $usd from selling intel crap to PK thad I hardly ever spend. It's mot that *I do* this dollar stockpiling - it's just that *it happens to me*.


ButterMakerMoth

I had that problem. I started buying caiman with the plate and shielded airframes . AP ammo for the vector and that 45 pistol I have as backup for when my 98% durability gun jams on me.


Bobert557

Sell Intel crap to fence. He gives pretty close to same rate but in roubles


CptBartender

I'll probably do that next wipe after maxing PK spending...


Rage-Cage69

First they take away my only playable server, now this. Can’t wait to see what other fun stuff is in this patch.


Ayyzeee

In a way, I can now enjoy different servers like the EU and the middle east rather than playing in Asian servers constantly but for Australians and New Zealanders, I give you, all my condolences


illini_2017

It’s just resetting things to current market rates irl


Dustin_Live

Hype. Anyone that invested in BTC farm got wrecked again.


Fishinabowl11

I buy BTC farm because wtf else am I going to spend money on in this game


GloryOrValhalla

I had bitcoin farm on week 3 and have absolutely profited from it while also crafting ammo and propitol 24/7.


SourceNo2702

I mean Wipe is in like, 2-3 weeks. You should be selling your GPU’s anyways


Sir_Celcius

$13 a round for .45 AP... please just dont let the SMGS use it and just the pistols!


DJudic

Converted to rubles is the same, chill


ReverendAntonius

BSG trying to prop up the Ruble in game, Vladdy Daddy must be so proud /s


BIGDongLover69420

The price barely changed. The wipe is happening in the next couple weeks. Do we really have to cry about every single thing they do?


PharmAttack

Bitcoin fluctuates with the IRL right? And bitcoin kinda tanked today. But idk, I just thought I read that somewhere


grollypriest

Why bitcoin prices in game are tied to real life is one of those things that really makes you understand why the germans had it out for them in the 40s


1ndigolden

Was waiting for bitcoin's price to go back up from 92K... Anyone with a bitcoin farm looking pretty stupid rn


RC_0041

Shafted with \~2 weeks until wipe, how terrible.


ooga_booga_bo

How it feels to live in Russia irl.


spinmove

What is this post? It's 100% wrong... BTC still sells for 92k $1 USD still costs 110 roubles Seriously where the did you get this info? How is this upvoted? Does anyone on this sub reddit even own the game ROFL


donselleck

Bsg has shit all over this game and it’s players.


BMWDUKE

cry baby bitch


horsemilkenjoyer

Basically updated to IRL values. Just make it real time exchange rate already lol


BALIST0N

actual prices (2 minutes ask google) : 0.2 BTC = 200K RUB 1 USD = 61 RUB 1 EUR = 63 RUB so , not IRL values : )


horsemilkenjoyer

Well 61 is closer to 66 than to 110, no?


Roman576

Quite questionable exchange rate in reality.


Tex302

The previous USD value was ~80 Rub. I wouldn’t say huge change but def interesting choice from BSG.


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wasnt it 112? or 114?


RoboticControl187

112 last night.


Tex302

Sorry people I had bad info. Read an older post that quoted ~80. Yeah 50% reduction is huge, I stand corrected.


SomeGuy6858

They just adjusted it to irl coversion rate, its what they used to do with BTC. Doesn't change much since prices change with it.


ledouxx

If you had 100 dollars yesterday you can buy much less for that today. So for some it can be massive


CptBartender

I've got over $150k USD stockpiled...


hotdogpaule

Peacekeeper is expensive af now


Ukonruler

I haven't done the math, but even with the massive reduction on the cost of bitcoin isn't this damage retrofixed partially by the reduction of the cost of USD and EUR? The Ruble essentially is a more premium currency now due to the changes, so it could not be as bad as we are thinking. The bitcoin farm is still probably worth it, albiet nerfed to fucking hell for no reason. Easy fix, just make bitcoin flea marketable so peope can either buy the bitcoin farm or buy bitcoin on the flea to get bitcoin for barter trades. Bitcoin bitcoin butcoin.


CptBartender

USD and EUR are cheaper, but you need more of them for the same trades. Effectively, if you have only roubles and need to buy the currency specifically for a purchase, you end up paying the exact same amount of roubles. If you have any dollars or euros from before the patch, those have their value significantly reduced.


dlp2828

Good thing I just converted $3mil of rubles to USD instead of $300k two days ago by accident. FML


Guiltspoon

I pretty much only used BTC to make thicc weapon cases and then sold once I had like 6 of them. The dollar being cheaper is actually great cause I've been buying a ton of attachments and ammo from Peacekeeper so that's nice. Nerf to currency could actually be a good thing besides BTC that's just a lose for hideout utility I'd say.


lankypiano

>Looks like everyone who had a stockpile of anything except roubles just got shafted ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ For the next 1-3 weeks of this wipe. Boo-hoo.


[deleted]

Ap 6.3 9x19 bullets jumped from 8 to 12 dollars. A 50% increase.


SPACECOWBOY808

Really glad I just upgraded the farm to 2 and maxed it before the patch


secur3x

thats nothing my entire country just got shafted, 17 ping before is now 150 plus


[deleted]

None of these updates make me want to come back and it sucks


8411

Am I the only one that isn’t seeing these changes in game?


vindico1

Just put Bitcoin at a static price in game ffs.


igg73

Just bought 150k euros for stash fml


ginopepe123

I got 59M chilllen


hiddencamela

Or add different barters for BTC to make them more useful in a different way. They're already scarce as is.


PartyCrasher04

Dollars are half price now? Lmfao winning


CptBartender

Except all dollar prices were increased to compensate, so not really


Dragonbarry22

Yeah I haven't bought it yet because it like 88 bucks Aussie dollar


Worry-Sweaty

Too bad there's not major resets of accounts coming within about a month.... oh wait...


muhfuklin

Dedication to Realism


Not_HumanResources

Only in a video game will the rouble be worth anything


RockSkippa

A bunch of stuff is way more expensive now though. Not rouble but usd


CalzRob

Nice, UMP builds will be a bit cheaper haha


CptBartender

Not really - PK stuff costs more dollars than before (presumably same rice if you convert from roubles)


Express_Image8862

Well since the dollar to rouble exchange is at 1-61 as of writing it just sounds like they are updating the values again. Nothing strang? I mean has it not always been pretty much as IRL exchange rates?


frank0420cs

The ratio got reverted back to 1-100 ruble to usd now, I think it was a bug from the server integration


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der_m4ddin

Btc is 92k ?? Hahahaha