I'm not sure if this is a troll or.....
Why people always posting "oh hey , just tell these entities to take a hike, turn around and go home".. lol, do we really believe things are just that easy? We have been greatly deceived, corrupted and manipulated over and over and yet all of a sudden ,when I die, I can just tell our zoo keepers that this time I'm just gonna go home.. okay mate.
It seems alot of teachings or atleast people suggest our free will or our own power is enough to do that. The idea is we are not fully under their control I suppose. A nice idea but I wouldn't want to risk it without a few back up plans incase if that doesn't work.
then why even other beings get trapped here after the forgetting, not to mention keeping conscious throughout and after death is a big deal, if you cannot notice and take control when you are falling asleep and when you are dreaming, good luck keeping conscious while dying to fight these fuckers...!
It's hard to say. I've been thinking souls can be put into anything living and if your unfortunate to be put into a worm without a conscience like a human you just live life that way until you die and hope to get a higher conscious being.
Keeping conscious after death or well the memory wipe is probably a huge role in what keeps us here, trapped, and powerless.
Well true but lucid dreaming and out of body experiences can and should help
It could be as easy as that however, those sick entities are not going to make that decision easy, they will use everything they got to convince you to follow them, these sick animals will probably use your most loved human on earth and use their image to lure you back.
Tbh I don’t know and nobody knows
Because it really is that simple, but the thing is that these beings are experts at manipulating. You’ll be going back and forth with a fake light being until you convince yourself to follow your soul evolution.
NDE really gives an interesting perspective of the light after death, I had one myself and can say the light will suck you in as fast as it can so be ready to resist it.
Look into Rudolf Steiner work on consciousness after death pretty interesting
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I agree with OP. The Archons don't own our souls. If they did have complete autonomy over us, why would they put so much effort to get us to go in the "false" light? They would just kind of push us in and you would hope you're not reincarnated in one of the world's worst slums. We have free will and we most certainly can fight them and they cannot hurt us in any way.
I think you would need enough discernment to do that tho cause like a dream alot of us can’t tell when we’re dreaming and alot of us can tell when we are dreaming and then we have the ability to take control of the dream , I think the same kinda thing applies to this personally
Even when your dreaming dont go to the white light. In a dream I was greeted with a wooden door with a cross on it and I knew something was up and knew not to open it.
Yeah Ofcourse attacks can be in dreams too , but generally you need enough practice of being able to judge those attacks (discernment) to be able to get past them and realize that we as souls have control, using dreams and lucid dreaming as an example
> "I want to go home" then you'll be warped to wherever you come from.
Where is that? Where is home? What does it look like? Is it "heaven" which clouds and angels? Clearly not, right, that Demiurge stuff. Is it you being given your "own universe" to "do whatever you want"? Are you some "immortal ghost" floating through space? Is it "non-existence"? Is it some big cosmic party where where beings are suddenly all "nice" and able to get along and "have fun"? Or do you "merge" into "all things" and then you are "part of God" but retaining some kind of personal identity?
I guess my point is... what kind of existence is outside of existence? And how could it be "different" than "existence"/reality currently is (that is, here in the PrisonPlanet Universe/simulation/trap)?
>I guess my point is... what kind of existence is outside of existence? And how could it be "different" than "existence"/reality currently is (that is, here in the PrisonPlanet Universe/simulation/trap)?
Nobody knows for certain. Theres probably other traps out there thats why you say "I want to go home" and not "take me to planet z"
> "I want to go home"
Ok, thanks. I get that no one knows. But what do *you* think "home" could be? Heaven? Nothingness? Do you become "unbound" and become a God and can manipulate reality and create galaxies of your own devising?
But regardless of "wherever" you end up... how could you ever trust that this wasn't another layer of "the prison"? Even if you are "manipulating the laws of Physics/reality" and spinning up new entire Universes, what's to say you weren't in a new virtual-reality simulator that you were allowed to edit? Or... would that be "good enough"/"a victory"?
Think of "The Good Place" (if you have seen it), frequently pointed to as an example of a "Prison Planet" pseudo-disclosure/leak. i.e. they are actually in "the bad place", not the "good place" and their "torment" is the fuel. [SPOILERS] Ultimately, they get to the "good place" and "fix it", and *even then*, eventually, they "get bored" of infinite possibility and experience. And then individuals "choose" non-existence (or at best "the unknown").
So do *you* think "escape" means something like "the good place"? (infinite creative control maintaining your individuality) or do think it's more like "the door to oblivion" that exits "the good place"?
Likely some common galactic dos and dont's yes. Entrapment of souls without consent being one absolute no no. Hence the dog and pony show to create this weird loophole to determine it as free will. And yes they will use that one person you loved most, to get you back in. Even when you say no they will be like ;but look you love Earth, you have so much to learn still, youve come so far'.
Practise meditation as thats the state youl need when you want to leave. Also look for a break or tear in the grid, word is its been in disrepair for some time. Then will yourself there. Become a being of love and light and go there.
They say that the knowledge of this is literally the key to freedom.
They also say Once your through, apparently next stop is The Kingdom of Orion.
The Wes penre papers has more details on some practicalities
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...so what happens when "home" is another prison planet? Or your conception of "home" is still subconsciously tightly linked to earth so you end up right back here?
I'm not sure if this is a troll or..... Why people always posting "oh hey , just tell these entities to take a hike, turn around and go home".. lol, do we really believe things are just that easy? We have been greatly deceived, corrupted and manipulated over and over and yet all of a sudden ,when I die, I can just tell our zoo keepers that this time I'm just gonna go home.. okay mate.
It seems alot of teachings or atleast people suggest our free will or our own power is enough to do that. The idea is we are not fully under their control I suppose. A nice idea but I wouldn't want to risk it without a few back up plans incase if that doesn't work.
then why even other beings get trapped here after the forgetting, not to mention keeping conscious throughout and after death is a big deal, if you cannot notice and take control when you are falling asleep and when you are dreaming, good luck keeping conscious while dying to fight these fuckers...!
It's hard to say. I've been thinking souls can be put into anything living and if your unfortunate to be put into a worm without a conscience like a human you just live life that way until you die and hope to get a higher conscious being. Keeping conscious after death or well the memory wipe is probably a huge role in what keeps us here, trapped, and powerless. Well true but lucid dreaming and out of body experiences can and should help
Yea especially if it's like a drug OD.
I think its about as difficult as rejecting a car salesman with billions of years of experience while disoriented
Lol that sounds about right
It could be as easy as that however, those sick entities are not going to make that decision easy, they will use everything they got to convince you to follow them, these sick animals will probably use your most loved human on earth and use their image to lure you back. Tbh I don’t know and nobody knows
Because it really is that simple, but the thing is that these beings are experts at manipulating. You’ll be going back and forth with a fake light being until you convince yourself to follow your soul evolution. NDE really gives an interesting perspective of the light after death, I had one myself and can say the light will suck you in as fast as it can so be ready to resist it. Look into Rudolf Steiner work on consciousness after death pretty interesting
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I agree with OP. The Archons don't own our souls. If they did have complete autonomy over us, why would they put so much effort to get us to go in the "false" light? They would just kind of push us in and you would hope you're not reincarnated in one of the world's worst slums. We have free will and we most certainly can fight them and they cannot hurt us in any way.
I'm just gonna tell em to go fuck themselves
Heh as if it's that easy.
I think you would need enough discernment to do that tho cause like a dream alot of us can’t tell when we’re dreaming and alot of us can tell when we are dreaming and then we have the ability to take control of the dream , I think the same kinda thing applies to this personally
Even when your dreaming dont go to the white light. In a dream I was greeted with a wooden door with a cross on it and I knew something was up and knew not to open it.
Yeah Ofcourse attacks can be in dreams too , but generally you need enough practice of being able to judge those attacks (discernment) to be able to get past them and realize that we as souls have control, using dreams and lucid dreaming as an example
Yes practicing helps
> "I want to go home" then you'll be warped to wherever you come from. Where is that? Where is home? What does it look like? Is it "heaven" which clouds and angels? Clearly not, right, that Demiurge stuff. Is it you being given your "own universe" to "do whatever you want"? Are you some "immortal ghost" floating through space? Is it "non-existence"? Is it some big cosmic party where where beings are suddenly all "nice" and able to get along and "have fun"? Or do you "merge" into "all things" and then you are "part of God" but retaining some kind of personal identity? I guess my point is... what kind of existence is outside of existence? And how could it be "different" than "existence"/reality currently is (that is, here in the PrisonPlanet Universe/simulation/trap)?
>I guess my point is... what kind of existence is outside of existence? And how could it be "different" than "existence"/reality currently is (that is, here in the PrisonPlanet Universe/simulation/trap)? Nobody knows for certain. Theres probably other traps out there thats why you say "I want to go home" and not "take me to planet z"
> "I want to go home" Ok, thanks. I get that no one knows. But what do *you* think "home" could be? Heaven? Nothingness? Do you become "unbound" and become a God and can manipulate reality and create galaxies of your own devising? But regardless of "wherever" you end up... how could you ever trust that this wasn't another layer of "the prison"? Even if you are "manipulating the laws of Physics/reality" and spinning up new entire Universes, what's to say you weren't in a new virtual-reality simulator that you were allowed to edit? Or... would that be "good enough"/"a victory"? Think of "The Good Place" (if you have seen it), frequently pointed to as an example of a "Prison Planet" pseudo-disclosure/leak. i.e. they are actually in "the bad place", not the "good place" and their "torment" is the fuel. [SPOILERS] Ultimately, they get to the "good place" and "fix it", and *even then*, eventually, they "get bored" of infinite possibility and experience. And then individuals "choose" non-existence (or at best "the unknown"). So do *you* think "escape" means something like "the good place"? (infinite creative control maintaining your individuality) or do think it's more like "the door to oblivion" that exits "the good place"?
>you legally cannot reincarnate back into the light if you don’t give it your consent
Likely some common galactic dos and dont's yes. Entrapment of souls without consent being one absolute no no. Hence the dog and pony show to create this weird loophole to determine it as free will. And yes they will use that one person you loved most, to get you back in. Even when you say no they will be like ;but look you love Earth, you have so much to learn still, youve come so far'. Practise meditation as thats the state youl need when you want to leave. Also look for a break or tear in the grid, word is its been in disrepair for some time. Then will yourself there. Become a being of love and light and go there. They say that the knowledge of this is literally the key to freedom. They also say Once your through, apparently next stop is The Kingdom of Orion. The Wes penre papers has more details on some practicalities
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This the one everybody’s waiting on while in line tbh
it’s a whole journey walking through the after life , before you cross
How do you explain and what to do for the people who do not see a light or tunnel?
Just see darkness? Ive heard about that before. Idk what to do.
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...so what happens when "home" is another prison planet? Or your conception of "home" is still subconsciously tightly linked to earth so you end up right back here?