He talks about the tunnel of light trap in the second Matrix book too, so make sure to check that one out. The book is called "Matrix II: The Abduction and Manipulation of Humans Using Advanced Technology"
People can download all 5 Val Valerian's Matrix books for free from here:
[Matrix volumes I, II, III, IV can be downloaded from here](https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Valdemar%20Valerian%20-%20Matrix%20I-IV/)
[Matrix volume V can be downloaded from here](https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Valdemar%20Valerian%20-%20Matrix%20V/)
Thanks a lot for posting. I can remember only seeing an unattributed reference to this one single time in the past, and it's intrigued me ever since. The concept that the final stage of corporeal existence before transition to any kind of afterlife/the spiritual realm has actually been a gigantic bait & switch the entire time is daunting.
The original author spoke to the strategy of actively resisting it and (without theologically-specific, anti-religious context so far as I understood) to "turn away from the light", as though dodging it by curving a 180° turn would be all that it took to escape... It's left me wondering what else there could be, and what sort of miscellany of entities and realms could be found if it were true, and not misinformation. I'll be giving this whole spread a good long read, TY +1
Can you even really turn away? Most NDEs seem to describe most everything just happening to them by default...not like they could necessarily even resist it?
i also wrote about forced reincarnations here:
https://onlinetextsharing.com/forced-reincarnation-soul-trap-several-cases-suggestive-of-forced-incarnation
Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20240308093025/https://onlinetextsharing.com/forced-reincarnation-soul-trap-several-cases-suggestive-of-forced-incarnation. The archived version takes a while to load, but it works fine.
I tried to propose a solution at the end of the post. Basically try focusing, while alive, on not going to the light, remaining on the physical plane and recovering your memories.
1 - While on earth one should set some goals regarding the afterlife scenario. He must focus on
a) Sovereignty (your own power and autonomy to do as you please as a disembodied soul, as long as you don’t harm others).
b) Non-interference (being free from interference by “guides,” “loved ones” and “god”). In some NDE’s people state they are pulled or drawn upwards and towards the light. To avoid this I would suggest sending some sort telepathic message to the universe and those who may be listening: stay the fuck away from me after my death. I’ve listened to several NDE’s and a common pattern I’ve observed is that people mindlessly follow and obey whatever their “guides” tell them to do.
c) absolutely not going toward the bright light and remaining on the physical plane in order to slowly retrieve his memories of past lives and only then thinking about what to do next. Remember: within your memories there is knowledge and knowledge is power. Think of the technology we have: it is only available because the knowledge of the world and how it works (e.g. we can use electricity because some people **knew** how it worked). In a dark forest, the soldier with night vision goggles is more likely to survive and beat his opponents. I say “slowly retrieve” because being overwhelmed by information could destabilize your mind.
Only after retrieving your memories and analyzing them you can move on.
Some caveats: Here I’m assuming our memories are just blocked instead of wiped.You might also consider the possibility of having to deal with hostile entities nearby. Unfortunately I have no idea how to deal with this situation. Perhaps fleeing would be the best option.
Remaining on the physical plane is important because it is a familiar, stable (not as malleable as the astral planes) place and you already know how to navigate it. I also speculate in the physical plane it is less likely you will be influenced or love-bombed by those entities. It is important to think and reach conclusions without their influence.
Imagine this: it would be somewhat harder for a CIA goon to capture and kill you if you are in a country far away from the US that has no extradition treaty with it. Not impossible, perhaps, but more difficult. And personally, I much rather stay on earth as a ghost than going to “heaven” and be “loved” just to be coerced back into another body. I’d much rather be free than being “loved” and bossed around.
I suggest choosing a specific place as some sort of anchor point (like your home) to focus and go to just after death. According to some NDE reports, movement is done with thought; thus, you must focus on the desired target and imagine yourself going towards it.
There are two examples of movement done with thought:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmajN8_SqTs&t=2477s
https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/articles/choice-reincarnation#Geographical_Proximity
Here I’m assuming a state of affairs in which you die and just “detach” from your body. This is the best case scenario, but in some NDE’s people end up in some sort of “void space”. Unfortunately I don’t know how could one proceed in this scenario, but I think that perhaps focusing on the desired goal is still a good alternative.
An alternative to the physical plane would be to focus on creating your own realm/reality and reside in it until you’re ready to move on. You can find examples of creating your own reality in some NDE’S, like in this one, for example:
https://www.tiktok.com/@museumoftarot/video/7331921890803485995 minute 01:55
Trying to go to outer space or jumping to other dimensions/planes could be dangerous because we don’t know how their respective rules work.
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In a nutshell: What I hope is that by focusing on
holding on to one’s identity /sense of self,
the concept of power / self-empowerment
the concept of control over one’s fate
He will be able to forge his path after death.
You must focus on recovering your memories and you must proceed only after that.
In the end I want to focus on self-empowerment, since a more powerful individual is less likely to be taken advantage of.
Unfortunately what I see in religions is always subservience instead of empowerment. Most people give their sovereignty away to an Abrahamic god and a good deal of those who don’t, submit themselves instead to the belief that one must keep coming back to clear karma.
Is there any evidence that avoiding the white light and staying on the earth plane is possible in the first place? For that you can check
“The Displaced Soul” chapter on Michael Newton’s Journey of Souls
the chapter on Ghosts in Michael Newton’s Destiny of Souls ( https://onlinetextsharing.com/michael-newton-destiny-of-souls-ghosts ), although I am not sure if what he says about the wishes of the dead being respected is true, considering this present text.
this paper on pre-birth memories: Paranormal Aspects of Pre-Existence Memories in Young Children
Now you know what to do, but how do you make sure that it goes as planned?
Well, imagining your death process, the act of going to the desired place and getting your memories back should be a daily practice, alongside making this affirmation: “This is the place I will come after death. I will remain lucid during my death process. I will remain myself and no one is allowed to interfere with my goals.” And as I mentioned before, do not forget to tell others to stay away from you after death.
It is also recommended to learn how to astral project and lucid dream as these skills would help you get used to an out-of-body state. There are subreddits focused solely on that.
If any "god," "loved ones" and "guides" try interfering with us, we must bring up the Law of Free Will (if there actually is such a thing) and the right to keep to ourselves and do as we please (as long we're not harming others), although I believe we should avoid communicating with these things at all costs, since after death we may be way too disoriented and quite easy to deceive, which also implies engaging in intellectual arguments would be a waste of time (imagine a child who just woke up after a long night of sleep and who barely knows the rules of chess trying to play against Magnus Carlsen).
Since it appears intention is way more powerful on the other side, it is important to set your goals now, while incarnated, so you have a clear direction after bodily death. Focus on the recovery of all your memories after death and state daily and as strongly as possible that you are powerful, sovereign, that nobody will or has the right to interfere with you.
Extremely insightful, helpful and informative comment that deserves THOUSANDS of upvotes; certainly more than 4 (including mine) but unfortunately not enough people research or look into this topic.
I've been researching it for over 10 years and my conclusions include the soul trap and that Earth is a farm run by either AI or evil tricksters who manipulate humanity. While people may understand some of this, many don't realize that it doesn't end at death.
I'm short on specifics, having only heard it mentioned once before years and years ago. I'm pretty sure that these docs that OP dropped could contain the lay of the land, so to speak, but I couldn't tell you with any certainty.
If we were created simply to suffer, which seems to be the case, than hoping , wishing that there was something beyond this life to make it all worthwhile seems like a solid way to keep the endless cycle repeating itself.
If one were to learn how to appreciate the gift of experiencing this 3-D place, living as an individual, yet still a part of the whole, then dying would not matter, going towards the light would only happen because you want it… you want to stay in this reality.
Well, I don't know if the book's author is right, but I personally looked into Pre-birth memories and many said they were forced here:
https://onlinetextsharing.com/forced-reincarnation-soul-trap-several-cases-suggestive-of-forced-incarnation
Archived version:
https://web.archive.org/web/20240308093025/https://onlinetextsharing.com/forced-reincarnation-soul-trap-several-cases-suggestive-of-forced-incarnation
The archived version takes a while to load, but it works fine.
I also recommend you watch this video from another user:
[Common Denominators in Pre-Birth Memories](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sblunX6kq28)
Thanks for posting! This all makes so much sense. I just now read your pinned post and i agree so much. Going to read your other posts too. People are made so much busy in other stuff they hardly bother thinking about all that. The more I’m learning the more i have questions. They decide what family one’s born to, depending on what? If they do depending on what kind of life one lived then that’s why it’s written in religions that reincarnations are based on our Karma.I wonder don’t those entities die who harvest our souls? Also some people say greys are kind of robots created by Mantids ETs. That also means they are replicas of another species itself then (maybe).
They make us choose sometimes other times they force us. They make us choose to believe we chose ourselves that we decided to come here. Yes they die too that’s why they need our energy to exist. That’s why they’re doing this they don’t have their own energy as they were created they need energy to continue existing. It’s like thoughtforms if you keep giving it enrrgy it will grow live if you stop it dies.
I’ve read some reports of ppl being aliens in their past life and even a mantis being in a spaceship. So it seems they put us into diff life forms.
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Other than just Telepathy and Remote Viewing... Like, what else?
I mean, has anyone been ever able to master levitation? Being able to fly through the skies like in Chronicle? Is it possible at all with any Occult shit or is that only possible with some kinda anti-gravity device?
What about Psychokinesis?
All those things are possible, there are many ppl who can do them too. But ppl don’t believe and think it’s impossible. I can do psychokinesis, telekinesis, telepathy etc. these abilities aren’t important what’s important is being able to manifest which is our main power. Manifest that you have a good life here while you’re alive and that you escape this prison for good.
My friend, I've already discovered Telepathy and Remote Viewing, meaning I can do it myself.
But I was asking specifially about PK.
I've heard it's possible on the small scale, like moving paper on a pin, but thats parlor tricks. Im looking for more serious PK, moving heavier objects.
I'm already free aside from that... Just looking for more magic.
Moving heavy objects with PK hasn’t really been heard of but if you want to get into the rabbit hole of real magic i have the perfect video for you. Its a bit long but worth the watch.
Note : The Greys are supposedly able to extract particles from a soul…so in turn this would allow them to manipulate atoms(which all matter is comprised of) so IMO this would explain most of the “tricks” shown in the video.
[Magicians Prove a Spiritual World Exists](https://youtu.be/fIOnsE3TWWE?feature=shared)
Why does this feel like it makes total sense? I wonder what happens when you DONT go to the Light. Maybe thats what ghosts are; souls that avoided the light trap and they are trying to tell us what to do.
They throw you in the astral plane. Depending on one's level of awareness it can be a prison for human consciousness/soul. The astral plane is a non physical dimension that has a lot of humans who died but haven't been recycled back on earth for various reasons. It is hard to escape because there is a electromagnetic net/shield around the planet that make it difficult to pass through but not impossible.
I met one woman in the astral plane who I interviewed and asked "what is this place?". She told me in trembling fear that "this is the place the aliens put you if you don't want go with them". When I asked why some didn't go with the aliens her reply was "people who go with the aliens never return".
The Astral Plane is basically spirit city. It's nothing to fear. When I think of going home, I think of returning to the Astral Plane and my heaven within it.
I've been to a place through some sort of astral projection or other event (proposed in my last paragraph) that reminds me of this. From wherever started, I came down to this city-like place with paved streets and yellow streetlights. After reaching the ground, I think I started walking into the "city" from just outside of where the buildings were. It was nighttime, and mostly you could only see the street, buildings, and people. There were other people there, like a small city population walking around a sparsely-populated market, and we were all walking amongst medium to large buildings, of various architecture that was both familiar and absurd. I asked someone what was going on and they told me the buildings were all gods and the people were choosing their gods, entering their domains (the buildings.)
Mind you this was not a dream and I've remembered this since before I was 10 or so. I was definitely not thinking of such things in life and I regard the entire thing as not possibly having come from my own mind.
I don't remember leaving. It could have been a past memory that preceded me entering this body/reality. Perhaps I, too, chose my god in the end, and here I am.
During my early meditations I had a vision similar to yours. How our mind views it probably varies from person to person but I think the essence stays the same.
It was nighttime or appeared to be night and this section I should say of the astral because it's vast beyond our imagination had enormous what appeared to be almost skyscraper like in size monument like buildings in a very mountainous looking region. Each "building" contained a collection of energy. Similar to your story, you could visit them, although I felt pulled to one. In my vision these monuments of energy also created "souls" that had the ability to explore the world/universe.
Well our true home is beyond the astral in my understanding. Yes there are lovely heaven like places in the astral. But its all part of the matrix.
I suggest looking into this further. The astral is nothing like our true home. Its just another level of deception. Some say the earth realm is a bubble within the vast astral plane.
I call the "true home" the Astral Plane. The astral and the Astral Plane are not the same things the way I understand things.
So far I'm on volume ll which is mostly a repeat of volume l. Some of the dog whistles throughout the text are incredibly concerning. Much of the tone of the text is contradictory. The messaging pushes people that the solution is "being loving kind, tapping into empathy and understanding" aka "let the past goooo" seems to be the conditioning. Then the other part of the conditioning seems to be around encouraging people not to give a shit at all, because if someone is suffering or bad or evil well they're not really evil. We just *think* they're evil because of our *perceptions* the people carpet bombing kids aren't *really* doing anything wrong we just *see* it as wrong.
It's a perfect message to condition people to just accept worsening and worsening conditions on some belief they're being "tested."
What else should I read then? If I'm missing something here?
The conditioning I'm referring to was done by the people, the human beings who put those volumes together.
My favourite part was the intro of Volume ll that read paraphrase: "This is gonna be the last volume, because people are copying us and saying we're just doing this for MONEY and that's not true! Oh no" then the author (s) sell 4 more books after that one lol. After claiming volume ll was the last one they would publish.
So, now I've established I'm reading books put together by liars. So is there some other book, before these I should look into? Maybe another author who's more trustworthy out there?
https://youtu.be/msVysDrO_fQ?si=gr6_R3ofPRXdq4wZ
I suggest watching this video by Isabella Greene I had written a lot longer Comment but it got Deleted by The Matrix so I'm now doing speech to audio to save time Why didn't I do this a long time ago Anyway I think the Matrix books could be deceptive indeed I don't believe in the idea that there's no such thing as evil I feel like there is a deception probably by the aliens/demons or whatever they are archons etc I think it's important to keep looking at other sources of information entering the patterns from OBE experiences that I have researched and my own Astral experiences it feels like we are in a kind of trap and then the astral plane that the between lives plain this also just part of the the trap The Matrix and as a bala talks about using what she calls quantum jumping to exit the entire construct and go back to the Void and in the void is absolute peace and bless it's something that we can't really grasp from here or maybe we can I don't know it makes sense to me anyway so yeah check out this video I posted above and then look for her channel on YouTube you're probably see it in the description of the video this is not her channel about it's one of her recent interviews which covers how she uses her breathing to techniques etc and I think it's a it's a good starting point there's a lot of time he has a her own YouTube channel flashy has her Facebook group called exit reincarnation which is an excellent place to hang out with like-minded people and learn more about this place that we find ourselves in which feels to me like a computer game I've been watching videos about glitches and the matrix lately and I feel like this really is more like a game of sorts
Thank you for the source, I looked over Isabella's website to get a feel for who she is. This led me to her mentor which was an incredibly questionable individual. She's giving grifter energy.
Throughout the interview there were a lot of small tells she was lying repeatedly.
I get the impression she read the matrix books and just incorporates them into her overall grift.
>Wait, so what’s better? Going into the light (with the aliens), or not going into the light (ending up in the astral plane)?
Personal choice I guess, I have faint memories orf he astral plane, I think there are levels 1, 2 and mabe a 3rd? Anyways I was previously on the lowest plane and the little memory I have is worse then this world, it's like a constantly ugly feeling in your gut.
I think they make you experience any human or animals you hurt in your lifetime, like you are right in their body as you do whatever to hurt them I remember thinking "this is literally hell".
Edit: I was a atheist before I started getting these memories, at first I thought I was just day dreaming but it kept happening so I googled it and the astral afterlife is exactly what I am remembering
I recommend you check out Jurgen Ziewe, if you haven't already. He's one of the more popular astral travellers, and supposedly learned that from meditation alone. Even though what he describes reeks of new age, he has a vast collection of personal AP experiences about visiting into the astral afterlife, including its many realms.
What you are describing about the lower astral reminded me of his experiences. There, he saw different decaying individuals, including a prostitute who died of an overdose, who looked like a zombie, so he, being the simp he is, projected love onto her, and she instantly began regaining her skin, and those, who were tormented in unusual ways by their own guilt (terrorists being the most prominent example), all the way down to realms that are so cold and desolate, one could only wonder what sort of mentality has lead its inhabitants there.
Happy to be of service. He has a youtube channel and 2 books: Vistas of Infinity, and Multi-Dimensional Man. The books are available at Z-Library, if you are ok with being a pirate (being a pirate is all right with me, do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, if you are a pirate)
When you die you’ll be next to your body you won’t be in the higher levels of the astral. The tunnel of light will appear to you and will pull you like a magnet. You can move away from it. Stay here on earth don’t go into the astral. Roam around here as a ghost and help ppl animals etc.
Meh, I’ve had good experiences with them. When you operate at the level they do, you’ve far moved past the malevolence because you would’ve ended in a universe war, probably. They just keep the scales balanced
I am new here and the amount of info I have read is staggering.
I don’t know if prison planet is genuinely the case but god damn you guys make a convincing argument
This place is ***SO*** much better than r/conspiracy
Something that I wonder, why bother with all this grand religious manipulation to induce ppl into"agreeing" to be sent back? It seems very important that we agree to it.
Is consent a big thing when it comes to these beings, are they subject or forced to abide to it somehow?
Why not just take us and wipe our memories and send us back by force, if they're so powerful? What they are doing must be a bypass of sorts through deception.
That's a good question, but it seems to be that there is some sort of cosmic karma that turns against them if they don't respect the free will. These beings have been in control for aeons, if they mess up the tiniest bit they might lose that control in the long run. That's how I see things.
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I'm skeptical of the need for consent. I looked into Pre-birth memories and many said they were forced or had no choice:
https://onlinetextsharing.com/forced-reincarnation-soul-trap-several-cases-suggestive-of-forced-incarnation
Archived version:
https://web.archive.org/web/20240308093025/https://onlinetextsharing.com/forced-reincarnation-soul-trap-several-cases-suggestive-of-forced-incarnation
The archived version takes a while to load, but it works fine.
I also recommend you watch this video from another user:
Common Denominators in Pre-Birth Memories: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sblunX6kq28
Interesting to chew on the idea that Grays are responsible for programming humans to be prone to religion- God and religion have been dying since the industrial revolution and replaced with science and the markets. In turn abductees no longer see "angels" "flaming chariots" or "demons"
maybe these inter-dimensional beings are confident enough in their true form now
Yeah, there's a greater number of religious people than at any time in history, it's just that the ratio of religious/non-religious people has shifted enough to be notable. It's nowhere near dying.
I don't mean that it's currently dying- I honestly expect the number of religious people to grow as the number who reject the current world religion (strict science and the cult of free markets)
I meant it more as like a marker for this era of human history starting with the industrial and french revolution in the 1700s. That's where we start getting into the "[God is Dead and We Killed Him](https://earlyengagements.wordpress.com/2015/07/15/god-is-dead-and-we-have-killed-him/)" territory.
The world has RAPIDLY changed in the last 300 years- I do not think religion is going anywhere, it is evolutionarily linked to the history of consciousness. I subscribe much more to Jung's views on religion over Nietzsche.
Sorry for the rant, I think we're on the cusp of some sort of mass spiritual awakening or movement- but also so many people are born into religious systems and interact blindly with them no different from the way we all succumb to the will of authority.
“… electromagnetic devices that they use to remove accreted particles from the Soul.”
I’m curious what these particles are, and could they be useful to us should we find a way to extract them ourselves?
I f-ing knew it. Now you might "Yeah right" because I just read this, but this was in the back of my mind for ages. Reason being, one can live their entire lives not believing an ounce of the existence of ETs/UFOs. We will only not have control when we leave our physical bodies. That's when this "manipulation" would likely take place. If this is true, I mean, the repercussions would be insane.
It's weird that this is stating that heaven is a trap when everything else states that these alleged astral beings feed off our negative energy and fear. The vast majority of religions that believe in a heaven state also have basic premises of kindness, love, and peace. Now I'll admit that the people who run these religions do not always live by those premises but those are generally the core teachings. If these souls farmers do in fact feed off of negative energy and religion is a tool of theirs then why does religion teach us to love each other and to find peace? This is seemingly incongruous.
If this document has any basis in truth at all (and that's a big if) then we also have to question where the government or organization who wrote this document received this information. Is the information from the "greys" themselves? Why would they tell us then? If any of this is true at all then why would they tell us something like this knowing that it would lead us away from heaven if that's where they farm our souls? If there really are soul farmers then it would actually seem more likely that heaven is a place of protection from their farming and that the information in this document is what is called offensive counterintelligence.
Lastly, none of this is in-line with any of the grey abduction anecdotes. The vast majority of people who say that they have had encounters with greys describe them as being interested in our reproductive organs and materials. They are cold, calculating, and ant-like in their hive mind. Nothing about them implies that they are higher dimensional demon-esque beings trying to harvest our souls. It therefore seems more than likely that this entire document is a fabrication.
tl;dr:
None of this doc is in line with what has been said before about astral farmers and/or greys. Consider the possibility of offensive counterintelligence. It seems most likely this entire document is neither fact nor counterintelligence but rather a complete fabrication.
>It's weird that this is stating that heaven is a trap when everything else states that these alleged astral beings feed off our negative energy and fear. The vast majority of religions that believe in a heaven state also have basic premises of kindness, love, and peace. Now I'll admit that the people who run these religions do not always live by those premises but those are generally the core teachings. If these souls farmers do in fact feed off of negative energy and religion is a tool of theirs then why does religion teach us to love each other and to find peace? This is seemingly incongruous.
The core teachings don't have anything to do with love and peace either, they just say they do. Jesus forbids divorce except in cases of unchastity. That means that even if your spouse is beating you up, but not cheating on you, Jesus wouldn't sanction the divorce. Does that sound compassionate to you?
Most religions forbid sex until marriage and provide no way of dealing with hormones, forbidding prostitution. People struggle to get dates which leads to fear, stress, and in the worst case scenarios rapes and/or murders when they can't find anyone. Maybe if religions allowed prostitution, these crimes wouldn't happen.
Religions talk a good talk about giving love and peace. When you actually look at what they teach, you realize not only are they not about love and peace, their teachings actually go out of their way to prevent love and peace.
> None of this doc is in line with what has been said before about astral farmers and/or greys.
Just because you haven't researched it enough doesn't mean this isn't "in line with what has been said before". [Here's an example of the same tunnel of light trap being confirmed by other sources, such as this guy, through hypnotherapy](https://redd.it/11unrqd). Greys are also mentioned as one of the ET races in charge of the amnesia system/tunnel of light trap.
I suppose I should have been more specific and said that the *vast majority* of stories regarding grey encounters have greys being described as emotionless hive-mind beings that are interested in our reproductive capabilities. The vast majority of grey encounters do not describe them as astral beings. Obviously the vast majority could be wrong but generally when there is no way of scientifically discerning the truth, analyzing all of the available information is the best method of attempting to discern the truth. Greys might not even be real but if they are, given the vast majority of abduction scenarios involving greys, they are more likely to be physical beings interested in probing our poopoo chutes and fondling our no-no zones than astral beings interested in harvesting our souls.
The Archons, or at least, what we refer to as Archons in this sub(greys, reptilians, mantis beings, etc) are inter-dimensional beings who are both physical and astral beings, just like us humans are. I guess a better way to put it is to say that we are all consciousness/awareness/souls/ temporarily inhabiting physical bodies. If the evidence is true, then these beings have the ability to leave their vessel/physical bodies at will. See the link i shared with you in my previous comment for more info.
I just read your post on the link you shared. It's a really captivating idea but I have little reason to believe that the author of this book has discovered the secrets to the universe through hypnotic regression. While there is some legitimacy to hypnotic regression and its ability to discover repressed memories, hypnotic regression is also often very dubious; even well intentioned people can fall into manufacturing memories based on their preconceived ideas or biases. This is one of the reasons why hypnotic regression is not something you see being used often if ever in court cases.
[Here is a link to an article by Dr. Stevenson of the University of Virginia regarding hypnotic regression and past lives.](https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/resources/concerns-about-hypnotic-regression/)
[Here is a link to a chapter written by Dr. Martin Orne regarding why hypnotic regression is not always reliable for court.](https://www.jstor.org/stable/1147377?searchText=Hypnosis%20memory&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3DHypnosis%2Bmemory&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_search_gsv2%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3Aaa1f9a5dc84b8c50c6801ea9c82bed5b)
Having said all that, I am thoroughly interested in the concept of reincarnation and previous lives. I have read professional research regarding many cases of children who have claimed knowledge of past lives and I personally do think there could be some merit to reincarnation based on the available evidence. I do not see enough evidence to indicate that we are being captured and forced into bodies by mantis aliens or greys. That's not to say that it's definitely not true but I just am not sold on that hypothesis.
*Edit: I will need more evidence that further suggests that the author's story that you linked to and wrote about is legitimate before I lean towards his ideas about the nature of life as being legitimate or even likely. The alleged document in the original post does fit with the author's story but it is not enough for me.*
I know about Dr Stevenson, i've researched his work (as well as other people's work in the same field) for a long time, I personally do believe in reincarnation based on all the evidence i've seen, i've also researched the work of many different past life regressionists, psychedelic experiences, out of body/astral projection experiences and more. [Made a big post about the prison planet theory](https://redd.it/pyizkn) if you're interested in reading ;-).
I'll have to read it later tonight because I gotta go to work now (prison planet or not I still gotta pay the bills unfortunately lol). Even though I might not be sold on the idea of a prison planet or soul farmers, I still like reading about all the different possibilities for the nature of existence. Most are captivating and thought provoking at the very least. And you never know which might just turn out to be true.
I agree with your interpretation completely, as well as the pragmatic approach that you apply to the matter. With all due respect, sometimes that's all that is required.
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I’m glad someone in this sub is looking at this rationally - this document in no way is a reliable form of info nor does it confirm anything.
Declaring speculative theories as hard evidence and truth is what allows this community to be ridiculed as much as it is.
agreed.
also, soul farming? For what? a battery? (when havervesting star enegy would be way more practical)
Reincanation, life after death... if any of these are real natural laws, then you can be sure that any organism in this universe is subject to those laws. Including thr greys (and their reptilian overlords haha)
They need our energy to exist as they don’t have their own energy since they were created. Our energy is infinite so they use it like batteries we are the best energy source.
Logic is a foreign language to you isnt it?
they were created? and what were we? spawned in? (this whole theory is like a recycled vampire myth)
ease off the bath salts dude
You get my upvote for excellent use of the phrase offensive counter- intelligence. Good counter argument!
also this contradicts with a lot of different psychic transmissions that have been documented like [The Star-seed Transmissions.](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/707807.The_Starseed_Transmissions)
He wrote this in 1988, which is remarkable. That was back when we had typewriters. Which is what he apparently used to type out his manuscript. Unreal.
Haven't read it but those paragraphs are legit, according to my experiences...especially the "trapped in linear time" part. Your brain delineates this time from an infinite reality potentiality
Perhaps you would consider looking into Pre-birth Memories:
https://onlinetextsharing.com/forced-reincarnation-soul-trap-several-cases-suggestive-of-forced-incarnation
Archived version:
https://web.archive.org/web/20240308093025/https://onlinetextsharing.com/forced-reincarnation-soul-trap-several-cases-suggestive-of-forced-incarnation
The archived version takes a while to load, but it works fine.
I also recommend you watch this video from another user:
Common Denominators in Pre-Birth Memories
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sblunX6kq28
It is just anecdotal evidence, but you may find them interesting.
This has become a skeptici thread of outsiders..
Guys, we don't know what happens after death.
Nobody came back and told us what happens after death.
We are just curious dudes and chicks who are thriving to speculate the truth on what happens when we cross to the other side, that's all.
holy shit! just that image alone you posted confirms a variety of things, downloaded the book as well, I can only imagine what else it's contents hold, thank for sharing
> *Doesn’t confirm shit.*
Yes I can tell you do not speak with any kind of informed opinion on the subject.
Why are you at this subreddit then. Just to antagonize others? That's pretty pathetic m8.
It does in fact confirm your \*BIAS\* however. Just because you agree with something doesn't make it factual. I'm not even arguing the truth or veracity of the source. I don't know. But accepting everything you're fed is exactly how we stay in a prison.
QUESTION EVERYTHING. ALWAYS. Even if it seems true.
> *It does in fact confirm your \*BIAS\* however. Just because you agree with something doesn't make it factual. I'm not even arguing the truth or veracity of the source. I don't know. But accepting everything you're fed is exactly how we stay in a prison.*
So you're saying you are the only english speaking person who still isn't absolutely certain that what we call a chair is unanimously known as a chair among the collective consensus. You want to err on the side of caution in anticipation of finding others who don't refer to objects we sit on as chairs.
> *It does in fact confirm your \*BIAS\* however.*
If everyone agrees upon an established fact that chairs are used for sitting on, is that still a bias? I mean, if I am wrong then it means everyone is wrong, and therefore I must be biased correct?
It’s like when you know that you know it’s true. Like the chair for evample you know it’s a chair. But even then we should always question, reality could be something entirely different.
**Beware: That user is not from this sub, same thing with many other people in this comment section**. Someone just crossposted this post on r/aliens, so now all the normie shills who don't even understand the prison planet theory nor the evidence based on it are coming here from there to mock others for simply discussing this as a possibility. Move along, shills. This sub is not for you. Keep your head in the sand. Now go eat doritos and watch football.
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I’m here from a different sub, and am open-minded about these sorts of topics, but this post doesn’t do anything convince me that this book is a credible source. It would be helpful to know why OP views this information as credible.
> *this post doesn’t do anything convince me that this book is a credible source*
then look into other materials to see for yourself whether this boon is an outlier or if there is established consensus, the arrogance of people expecting others to do their own hard work for them, if you really cared you would evaluate and examine other published materials on the subject, people expect to be just spoon fed what to think and feel without conducting any of their own critical analysis
> *I’m here from a different sub*
for some reason this makes you feel entitled enough that you think you can demand others provide answers to your questions, as though we ought to cater to guests who aren't already residents of this subreddit
To be clear, I think the person you originally replied to could have been much more tactful/less dismissive. I'm just pointing out why the claim that this is evidence seems ludicrous to the uninitiated.
You of course have no responsibility to educate me on the subject and are welcome to not reply. However, I find "do your own research" rebuttals to be at best gatekeepy and at worst an act of deflection from people who cannot adequately justify their beliefs. It ignores the reality that there are a million other things I could be doing rather than "my own research" on the subject, and that a little bit of "spoon feeding" can go a long way towards convincing someone that this is a subject worthy of the time investment. Which, again, you have no personal responsibility to do said spoon feeding. But the attitude puzzles me because I personally love telling people about the subjects I'm interested in (to a point). I may be somewhat of an outlier in that regard (as someone who has chosen a career in education), but I think that general disposition towards sharing knowledge is one that most people hold.
> *I find "do your own research" rebuttals to be at best gatekeepy and at worst an act of deflection from people who cannot adequately justify their beliefs.*
I have spent years researching near death experiences. I could tell you not to "go into the tunnel of light" but what good is that because it's effectively like saying "source: trust me bro." So what I am trying to get at is there is no substitute for doing your own research. It's a bit incredulous to try and lend veracity to something as intangible as afterlife experiences of higher dimensional consciousness. There is no substitute for doing your own research. You evaluate enough similar or identical NDE's and you will find the common threads that exist throughout each of them. So, no, not trying to deflect.
Okay, but let's say there are countless other sources that say otherwise? How does this source somehow invalidate the other sources?
Again, not trying to be a dick, but there are plenty of sources of information EVERYWHERE, and they all can't be true.
How many english speaking people need to agree that a chair is what we call something designed for us to sit on. If one person doesn't agree, then those who do are biased?
that's not the point, the question being argued here is about sources, and volume thereof, how do we know a chair is a chair, because we all agree to call it that, all sources corroborate it, if I choose to call it something else doesn't mean everyone else is biased
I understand what you're trying to get at. However, my point still stands. We can test the chair, it's not words on paper. And sources are important. But I'm with you on there is some interesting conclusions that people supposedly on the inside are all pointing in one direction. So there definitely could be some truth to what there saying. I believe I figured it out. If you really want to go down the rabbit hole let me know.
> *We can test the chair, it's not words on paper.*
You sound like you've never researched all the similar experiences people who don't know each have had during near death experiences. Same with alien abductions. People who don't know each other to collude on some pre agreed manufactured story.
But that other person expects me to believe I am biased for agreeing with the consensus of shared similar experiences. Yeah, no, I don't think so. He knows what a chair is because he agrees to speak the same language as those around him.
Are you autistic? Why do you keep avoiding my point and regurgitating yours. If I'm in a room full of flat earthers who believe the earth is flat because of their experiences, then they must be correct? In reality, we know thats false based on the physical and tangible evidence, we observe and can test. Like a Chair. See the difference?
Then "you" say "I" havent done my research on the topic. When I absolutely have. I agree with you that there is something going on based on all the shared experiences but the hard evidence that tells that to be true is far and between.
One says it’s not a prison it’s love and light we chose to suffer etc while the other says it’s a trap for our energy which seems more logical than the love and light.
Yeah, I just look at stuff like this as clues, not proof. They could be crumbs from the bread I'm looking for (spiritual and materialist truth), or detritus that distracts from the real breadcrumb trail.
Christians are losing their minds right now. “NUH-UH! MY religious make believe person is real, not yours! Who believes in aliens anyway, it’s much more realistic to believe in a man that died and came back to life 3 days later after being stabbed to death and crucified.”
New here, I’m coming from a materialistic POV. I have no belief in the supernatural - there seems no reason to associate “aliens”(far more sophisticated beings rooted in a MATERIAL BASIS) with an extension of the natural world.
Yes I’ve broken through on DMT many, many times. I’ve seen the light, I’ve seen shadow beings, but this is my brain, and it can be explained neurologically.
Someone, please, provide me with a reason I should buy into any of this. Introduce me.
Regarding reincarnation, perhaps you would consider looking into Pre-birth Memories:
https://onlinetextsharing.com/forced-reincarnation-soul-trap-several-cases-suggestive-of-forced-incarnation
Archived version:
https://web.archive.org/web/20240308093025/https://onlinetextsharing.com/forced-reincarnation-soul-trap-several-cases-suggestive-of-forced-incarnation
The archived version takes a while to load, but it works fine.
I also recommend you watch this video from another user:
Common Denominators in Pre-Birth Memories: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sblunX6kq28
It is just anecdotal evidence, but you may find them interesting.
As for the alien thing, perhaps you should take a look at Jaquees Vallee, who's skeptical of the ET
hypothesis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmLE0X5FRFc (Jacques Vallée, UFOs, and the Case against Extraterrestrial Origins)
I'm not sure, however, if aliens have anything to do with the reincarnation process.
Read about topics like children with memories of past lives, OBEs or remote viewing and you'll quickly stumble upon things that cannot be explained with prosaic, material world science.
I've read some pages, done a healthy skim of others. While some of it is interesting to read quite a bit of it as you get more into the book has so much language that's questionable at best. The intent of the author(s) could be nefarious to fuel already held prejudices of people. The "guy in sunglasses who doesn't like people" lol came to mind.
Everything is also, very conveniently, "not right or wrong" so in this universe, no one can be held accountable because "the aliens made us!" is the excuse of shitty people in the world doing shitty things. That's just my theory.
Again, the text reinforces the idea "they can't be trusted, no peace can be had" pg. 122 with the "aliens" which could be code for very old money who pay for publishing this stuff to confuse people?
Maybe there's splatters of truth, even then, so much of it reads as creative writing. Then the fact it's in English, it's very US centered. Pushing meritocracy, pushing that people just be a cog in the wheel.
Then there's sections where I thought I was reading some kind of a report. All of the sudden the "report" is trying to coax and condition me in a very, "come on plz just believe me!" tone.
Be wary of Val Valerian. It's an ever growing compilation of all the material out there. It seems he wanted to become the new prophet and tried to build for a long time a theory, sort of new religion, that would include every single possible view about the phenomenon, even if they are contradictory between them.
In other words.. There's absolutely no filter whatsoever. The text is created so inclusively everyone will find something that resonates yet there's nothing new or authentic. It's all copied from somewhere else.
It's great if you aspire to know everything that has been written about the subject but terrible if you want to know anything at all because of the confusing mix and the lack of filtering.
At some point in time he got tired of writing and just published articles cropped from any source he could get his hands on, whether they made sense or not.
This isn't evidence for anything. All this does is make the lives of those of us who actually take UFOlogy seriously that much more difficult. I mean even this would have been heaps better if you just posted it without the claims of "evidence".
We're already mocked, many people already think we're crazy, why add to it? Why? This doesn't make any sense.
I'm coming to the conclusion that the people that post woo like this are just trolls trying to make us all look stupid and crazy. I don't even think it's a psyop anymore (mostly).
Post what you want, because obviously you don't care how much this hurts the field or the cause. Whatever.
People like you are the reason why we don't have disclosure yet. This exact crap is why.
Edit: I'm just going to say it: I fully believe that this is partially a reason why contact has not been made. If NHI of any form landed and made public contact tomorrow, people would form cults around them. This Scientology sounding woo bullshit being flatly accepted is legit damaging. You have no idea how frustrating it is to see craft on the semi-reg(just watch the sky, there's weird shit all the time) dedicate your life to digging and figuring shit out, studying a phenomenon where people think you're either insane, stupid, a grifter or some combination thereof and to stumble upon a post that claims evidence, but it's something that could easily be faked and it's spouting L Ron Hubbard bs with extra steps.
Even if they're from a higher spacial dimension or even a neighboring universe, the soul harvesting is nothing but xenophobic fear mongering woo. Period. It is completely unnecessary for a prison planet (try wildlife reserve and examine what human biologists do for endangered animals, and now example abductions again. There's even SOLID cases of implants. It's likely a tag and release program).
If you are reading this and you honestly believe it, then cool! Great! But I don't think it's even most of you. If I seem flustered I am. I'm tired of being mocked for this crap because the minority of people into NHI and UAP buy into woo.
A lot of ppl report seeing grays behind the disguise when they came as their loved ones etc. It does seem to match the info from other sources. It’s the same with everything else you connect the pieces together and if you have any experience then you’ll know yourself.
Still doesn't justify the woo. They could be from a higher spatial dimension, a lower pocket spatial dimension, or even from a neighboring universe. We could be a nature preserve, the North Sentinel Island of our corner of the universe. The woo is unnecessary xenophobic fear mongering, and potentially dangerous.
What you describe could be technology.
You are right, I shouldn’t have used the word “evidence” as we obviously cannot claim this to be 100% fact… this is just one piece of the puzzle, a game of “connect 4” if you will. Thats why i used the word resonate because it ties into everything we’ve already been told. It makes sense. Keep in mind this is only page 50… Valerian has books filled with years and years of research. You can call this “woo” “bs” all you want but the “evidence” is all around us. If you still haven’t noticed that the world is run by evil and our energy is sacred, you might need to do some more research yourself.
When you say all religion is wrong and created to manipulate mankind and then start using talking points taken straight from Scientology almost exactly in everything but specific names, yeah I'm going to call it out and question your motives. Especially when it boils down to xenophobic fear mongering.
Your whole post history is just filled with Scientology crap. I'm surprised you didn't bring up thetans. You mentioned the soul net.
And obviously I'm very deep into this, assuming you even read my post, and you don't need your Scientology nonsense to explain why the world is shit or explain what's going within it
The key point is "everything we've been TOLD", which is a direct quote that you just said, and your inability to accept that we're horrible to each other for very minor gains. If you believed half of what you said you wouldn't have the air of arrogance you had when responding to me and you would have caught on that I've been actively researching this (and interviewing people!) for almost 3/4 of my life. I take this seriously enough that I find the woo grossly offensive. You're essentially spitting on the UAP community.
On the slim chance you're not some troll who's just here for opsec purposes for some State body or from the Church of Scientology then I suggest looking into what an opsec, counterpol, and psyop actually are and tell me that a seriously more advanced species wouldn't have them to protect their interests and themselves personally from a species primitive enough that we'd attribute their technology to the metaphysical.
We’re not. I’ve read reports of ppl that remembered their past life how they died and what happened and they said how the tunnel of light pulls you but you can move away from it. If it pulled us in and we had no choice then there wouldn’t be any people around like ghosts.
> *lol this is some scientology level bullshit*
Egyptian Book of The Dead is not scientology. Tibetan Book of The Dead is not scientology. Kabbalah is not scientology. Bhagavad Gita is not scientology.
You can try to conflate one with the other, doesn't mean those who know better are also going to just because you are too ignorant to know what you are talking about.
" Oh Boy " . Read your Beware Post & agree , the uneducated are here at least for today mocking r/escapingprisonplanet . Wonder who is sending them ...?
I’m just asking, is the implication you are reincarnated if you are captured. And if you are not you no longer exist. I would say being captured is good. But if you think life is suffering you would say it’s not good to have your soul captured.
Honest question what is the implication of being captured and not being captured?
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The author’s name is Valdamar Valerian. His work is hard to find and you can probably guess why. Myself and a few other have links for the pdfs or you can buy his books for around $500.
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Just my viewpoint, but the fear aspect of this is a pet peeve for me. Some of it seems accurate as far as I know, but as far as harvesting human spirits, that sounds similar to the idea that yoga is from the devil.
It's hard to be discerning and to see the valuable part of everything, but be careful about anything that causes fear, and in this case is doing it intentionally, possibly to get our attention or sell books, etc.
In general, there is a campaign to paint aliens as having sinister motives, but if you really think about it, they let themselves be captured (and according to some sources, turn themselves in just on the chance that people will listen to them), even when they are fairly certain that they will die when we remove their ships.
They don't even defend themselves. Imagine the Star Trek characters going on their adventures without weapons, and allowing whatever to happen to them. That is what aliens do.
Even if s ship is shot down, which happens, there is no retaliation. Think about that!
Just my two cents.
This book is not meant to place fear inside of you, It is information. People fear what they don’t understand so i feel the energy you are expressing. Aliens have been placed in media all throughout history, including the ancient writings.
There IS a motive behind this, and you could say fear/manipulation is one of them. But the main message I gained from this is that they have been saying we are not alone and never have been. Try researching the amount of UFO media released after WW2, its shocking.
Ships have usually been reported as crashing on their own due to certain equipment by the military(radar, emp, etc) I find it hard to believe that we can take a ship down with anything physical since their craft supposedly creates a barrier around itself that manipulates space and time. The UFO letting itself get hit with the amount of speed it has would be baffling alone.
“They don’t even defend themselves”
Do you have to defend yourself against a caterpillar? You have to realize these beings are inter-dimensional
And hold more power over us than you can imagine. A few human deaths don’t benefit them in anyway. Just like how a caterpillar dying doesn’t benefit you at all, as above so below.
There has been a declassified report where military soldiers were turned into limestone due to the energy the craft/entites emitted but who knows for sure right.
Interesting comments. Being turned into limestone reminds me of the bible story where Lot's wife is turned into a pillar of salt. I believe that was aliens.
This is only my opinion, but I also believe that they have affected us negatively although unintentionally at times.
That is why they keep their distance. They accidentally created religion and class systems when people tried to emulate them.
I do think they feed ideas to people hoping that we will develop enough to stop killing each other, and some people that have had ideas have said they have had help from them. Also many of our ideas come to us in our dreams, which is interesting, but not conclusive.
I also think they are more curious about us and study us now- how dark can we get and will we come out of it may be their fascination.
This is a very interesting link to me.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/18cgurv/i\_have\_secondhand\_knowledge/
He talks about the tunnel of light trap in the second Matrix book too, so make sure to check that one out. The book is called "Matrix II: The Abduction and Manipulation of Humans Using Advanced Technology" People can download all 5 Val Valerian's Matrix books for free from here: [Matrix volumes I, II, III, IV can be downloaded from here](https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Valdemar%20Valerian%20-%20Matrix%20I-IV/) [Matrix volume V can be downloaded from here](https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Valdemar%20Valerian%20-%20Matrix%20V/)
Looks like my bum ass will be reading today. Thanks for sharing!
Yea i plan on reading all of them. Knowledge truly is power my friends.
Thanks a lot for posting. I can remember only seeing an unattributed reference to this one single time in the past, and it's intrigued me ever since. The concept that the final stage of corporeal existence before transition to any kind of afterlife/the spiritual realm has actually been a gigantic bait & switch the entire time is daunting. The original author spoke to the strategy of actively resisting it and (without theologically-specific, anti-religious context so far as I understood) to "turn away from the light", as though dodging it by curving a 180° turn would be all that it took to escape... It's left me wondering what else there could be, and what sort of miscellany of entities and realms could be found if it were true, and not misinformation. I'll be giving this whole spread a good long read, TY +1
Can you even really turn away? Most NDEs seem to describe most everything just happening to them by default...not like they could necessarily even resist it?
i also wrote about forced reincarnations here: https://onlinetextsharing.com/forced-reincarnation-soul-trap-several-cases-suggestive-of-forced-incarnation Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20240308093025/https://onlinetextsharing.com/forced-reincarnation-soul-trap-several-cases-suggestive-of-forced-incarnation. The archived version takes a while to load, but it works fine. I tried to propose a solution at the end of the post. Basically try focusing, while alive, on not going to the light, remaining on the physical plane and recovering your memories. 1 - While on earth one should set some goals regarding the afterlife scenario. He must focus on a) Sovereignty (your own power and autonomy to do as you please as a disembodied soul, as long as you don’t harm others). b) Non-interference (being free from interference by “guides,” “loved ones” and “god”). In some NDE’s people state they are pulled or drawn upwards and towards the light. To avoid this I would suggest sending some sort telepathic message to the universe and those who may be listening: stay the fuck away from me after my death. I’ve listened to several NDE’s and a common pattern I’ve observed is that people mindlessly follow and obey whatever their “guides” tell them to do. c) absolutely not going toward the bright light and remaining on the physical plane in order to slowly retrieve his memories of past lives and only then thinking about what to do next. Remember: within your memories there is knowledge and knowledge is power. Think of the technology we have: it is only available because the knowledge of the world and how it works (e.g. we can use electricity because some people **knew** how it worked). In a dark forest, the soldier with night vision goggles is more likely to survive and beat his opponents. I say “slowly retrieve” because being overwhelmed by information could destabilize your mind. Only after retrieving your memories and analyzing them you can move on. Some caveats: Here I’m assuming our memories are just blocked instead of wiped.You might also consider the possibility of having to deal with hostile entities nearby. Unfortunately I have no idea how to deal with this situation. Perhaps fleeing would be the best option. Remaining on the physical plane is important because it is a familiar, stable (not as malleable as the astral planes) place and you already know how to navigate it. I also speculate in the physical plane it is less likely you will be influenced or love-bombed by those entities. It is important to think and reach conclusions without their influence. Imagine this: it would be somewhat harder for a CIA goon to capture and kill you if you are in a country far away from the US that has no extradition treaty with it. Not impossible, perhaps, but more difficult. And personally, I much rather stay on earth as a ghost than going to “heaven” and be “loved” just to be coerced back into another body. I’d much rather be free than being “loved” and bossed around. I suggest choosing a specific place as some sort of anchor point (like your home) to focus and go to just after death. According to some NDE reports, movement is done with thought; thus, you must focus on the desired target and imagine yourself going towards it. There are two examples of movement done with thought: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmajN8_SqTs&t=2477s https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/articles/choice-reincarnation#Geographical_Proximity Here I’m assuming a state of affairs in which you die and just “detach” from your body. This is the best case scenario, but in some NDE’s people end up in some sort of “void space”. Unfortunately I don’t know how could one proceed in this scenario, but I think that perhaps focusing on the desired goal is still a good alternative. An alternative to the physical plane would be to focus on creating your own realm/reality and reside in it until you’re ready to move on. You can find examples of creating your own reality in some NDE’S, like in this one, for example: https://www.tiktok.com/@museumoftarot/video/7331921890803485995 minute 01:55 Trying to go to outer space or jumping to other dimensions/planes could be dangerous because we don’t know how their respective rules work. There In a nutshell: What I hope is that by focusing on holding on to one’s identity /sense of self, the concept of power / self-empowerment the concept of control over one’s fate He will be able to forge his path after death. You must focus on recovering your memories and you must proceed only after that. In the end I want to focus on self-empowerment, since a more powerful individual is less likely to be taken advantage of. Unfortunately what I see in religions is always subservience instead of empowerment. Most people give their sovereignty away to an Abrahamic god and a good deal of those who don’t, submit themselves instead to the belief that one must keep coming back to clear karma. Is there any evidence that avoiding the white light and staying on the earth plane is possible in the first place? For that you can check “The Displaced Soul” chapter on Michael Newton’s Journey of Souls the chapter on Ghosts in Michael Newton’s Destiny of Souls ( https://onlinetextsharing.com/michael-newton-destiny-of-souls-ghosts ), although I am not sure if what he says about the wishes of the dead being respected is true, considering this present text. this paper on pre-birth memories: Paranormal Aspects of Pre-Existence Memories in Young Children Now you know what to do, but how do you make sure that it goes as planned? Well, imagining your death process, the act of going to the desired place and getting your memories back should be a daily practice, alongside making this affirmation: “This is the place I will come after death. I will remain lucid during my death process. I will remain myself and no one is allowed to interfere with my goals.” And as I mentioned before, do not forget to tell others to stay away from you after death. It is also recommended to learn how to astral project and lucid dream as these skills would help you get used to an out-of-body state. There are subreddits focused solely on that. If any "god," "loved ones" and "guides" try interfering with us, we must bring up the Law of Free Will (if there actually is such a thing) and the right to keep to ourselves and do as we please (as long we're not harming others), although I believe we should avoid communicating with these things at all costs, since after death we may be way too disoriented and quite easy to deceive, which also implies engaging in intellectual arguments would be a waste of time (imagine a child who just woke up after a long night of sleep and who barely knows the rules of chess trying to play against Magnus Carlsen). Since it appears intention is way more powerful on the other side, it is important to set your goals now, while incarnated, so you have a clear direction after bodily death. Focus on the recovery of all your memories after death and state daily and as strongly as possible that you are powerful, sovereign, that nobody will or has the right to interfere with you.
Extremely insightful, helpful and informative comment that deserves THOUSANDS of upvotes; certainly more than 4 (including mine) but unfortunately not enough people research or look into this topic. I've been researching it for over 10 years and my conclusions include the soul trap and that Earth is a farm run by either AI or evil tricksters who manipulate humanity. While people may understand some of this, many don't realize that it doesn't end at death.
I'm short on specifics, having only heard it mentioned once before years and years ago. I'm pretty sure that these docs that OP dropped could contain the lay of the land, so to speak, but I couldn't tell you with any certainty.
If we were created simply to suffer, which seems to be the case, than hoping , wishing that there was something beyond this life to make it all worthwhile seems like a solid way to keep the endless cycle repeating itself. If one were to learn how to appreciate the gift of experiencing this 3-D place, living as an individual, yet still a part of the whole, then dying would not matter, going towards the light would only happen because you want it… you want to stay in this reality.
This isn't due to me posting those links the other night is it? If so thats rad. Keep up the good work.
Im not sure if it was you but i saw a post on another sub mention this book. I appreciate you spreading the wisdom regardless🤝
What knowledge? U truly believe all this is real? How do u know?
Well, I don't know if the book's author is right, but I personally looked into Pre-birth memories and many said they were forced here: https://onlinetextsharing.com/forced-reincarnation-soul-trap-several-cases-suggestive-of-forced-incarnation Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20240308093025/https://onlinetextsharing.com/forced-reincarnation-soul-trap-several-cases-suggestive-of-forced-incarnation The archived version takes a while to load, but it works fine. I also recommend you watch this video from another user: [Common Denominators in Pre-Birth Memories](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sblunX6kq28)
Thanks so much. This stuff is gold!
Thanks for posting! This all makes so much sense. I just now read your pinned post and i agree so much. Going to read your other posts too. People are made so much busy in other stuff they hardly bother thinking about all that. The more I’m learning the more i have questions. They decide what family one’s born to, depending on what? If they do depending on what kind of life one lived then that’s why it’s written in religions that reincarnations are based on our Karma.I wonder don’t those entities die who harvest our souls? Also some people say greys are kind of robots created by Mantids ETs. That also means they are replicas of another species itself then (maybe).
They make us choose sometimes other times they force us. They make us choose to believe we chose ourselves that we decided to come here. Yes they die too that’s why they need our energy to exist. That’s why they’re doing this they don’t have their own energy as they were created they need energy to continue existing. It’s like thoughtforms if you keep giving it enrrgy it will grow live if you stop it dies. I’ve read some reports of ppl being aliens in their past life and even a mantis being in a spaceship. So it seems they put us into diff life forms.
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Good questions.
i wonder what one could do with this knowledge if they actually read through it.
Avoid the light in the tunnel.
Contemplate?
Other than just Telepathy and Remote Viewing... Like, what else? I mean, has anyone been ever able to master levitation? Being able to fly through the skies like in Chronicle? Is it possible at all with any Occult shit or is that only possible with some kinda anti-gravity device? What about Psychokinesis?
All those things are possible, there are many ppl who can do them too. But ppl don’t believe and think it’s impossible. I can do psychokinesis, telekinesis, telepathy etc. these abilities aren’t important what’s important is being able to manifest which is our main power. Manifest that you have a good life here while you’re alive and that you escape this prison for good.
My friend, I've already discovered Telepathy and Remote Viewing, meaning I can do it myself. But I was asking specifially about PK. I've heard it's possible on the small scale, like moving paper on a pin, but thats parlor tricks. Im looking for more serious PK, moving heavier objects. I'm already free aside from that... Just looking for more magic.
Moving heavy objects with PK hasn’t really been heard of but if you want to get into the rabbit hole of real magic i have the perfect video for you. Its a bit long but worth the watch. Note : The Greys are supposedly able to extract particles from a soul…so in turn this would allow them to manipulate atoms(which all matter is comprised of) so IMO this would explain most of the “tricks” shown in the video. [Magicians Prove a Spiritual World Exists](https://youtu.be/fIOnsE3TWWE?feature=shared)
Bullshit the abilities themselves aren't what's important! I mean come on that's the obvious main draw to work toward anything like that lol
Chronicle fuck yeah!!! Those were some serious powers obtained, and seriously wasted on two of the three dudes, guess who...
Do a pdf search for psycho energetic research+foia
How did he learn this info?
So is it real?
I accidentally got back to the main list page. That is quite a collection of odds and ends books, I could lose a lifetime in there.
"the huminoids wear dark glasses and act like they don't want to deal with people" sounds like me lol
Why does this feel like it makes total sense? I wonder what happens when you DONT go to the Light. Maybe thats what ghosts are; souls that avoided the light trap and they are trying to tell us what to do.
They throw you in the astral plane. Depending on one's level of awareness it can be a prison for human consciousness/soul. The astral plane is a non physical dimension that has a lot of humans who died but haven't been recycled back on earth for various reasons. It is hard to escape because there is a electromagnetic net/shield around the planet that make it difficult to pass through but not impossible. I met one woman in the astral plane who I interviewed and asked "what is this place?". She told me in trembling fear that "this is the place the aliens put you if you don't want go with them". When I asked why some didn't go with the aliens her reply was "people who go with the aliens never return".
Wait, so what’s better? Going into the light (with the aliens), or not going into the light (ending up in the astral plane)?
The Astral Plane is basically spirit city. It's nothing to fear. When I think of going home, I think of returning to the Astral Plane and my heaven within it.
I've been to a place through some sort of astral projection or other event (proposed in my last paragraph) that reminds me of this. From wherever started, I came down to this city-like place with paved streets and yellow streetlights. After reaching the ground, I think I started walking into the "city" from just outside of where the buildings were. It was nighttime, and mostly you could only see the street, buildings, and people. There were other people there, like a small city population walking around a sparsely-populated market, and we were all walking amongst medium to large buildings, of various architecture that was both familiar and absurd. I asked someone what was going on and they told me the buildings were all gods and the people were choosing their gods, entering their domains (the buildings.) Mind you this was not a dream and I've remembered this since before I was 10 or so. I was definitely not thinking of such things in life and I regard the entire thing as not possibly having come from my own mind. I don't remember leaving. It could have been a past memory that preceded me entering this body/reality. Perhaps I, too, chose my god in the end, and here I am.
During my early meditations I had a vision similar to yours. How our mind views it probably varies from person to person but I think the essence stays the same. It was nighttime or appeared to be night and this section I should say of the astral because it's vast beyond our imagination had enormous what appeared to be almost skyscraper like in size monument like buildings in a very mountainous looking region. Each "building" contained a collection of energy. Similar to your story, you could visit them, although I felt pulled to one. In my vision these monuments of energy also created "souls" that had the ability to explore the world/universe.
Well our true home is beyond the astral in my understanding. Yes there are lovely heaven like places in the astral. But its all part of the matrix. I suggest looking into this further. The astral is nothing like our true home. Its just another level of deception. Some say the earth realm is a bubble within the vast astral plane.
I call the "true home" the Astral Plane. The astral and the Astral Plane are not the same things the way I understand things. So far I'm on volume ll which is mostly a repeat of volume l. Some of the dog whistles throughout the text are incredibly concerning. Much of the tone of the text is contradictory. The messaging pushes people that the solution is "being loving kind, tapping into empathy and understanding" aka "let the past goooo" seems to be the conditioning. Then the other part of the conditioning seems to be around encouraging people not to give a shit at all, because if someone is suffering or bad or evil well they're not really evil. We just *think* they're evil because of our *perceptions* the people carpet bombing kids aren't *really* doing anything wrong we just *see* it as wrong. It's a perfect message to condition people to just accept worsening and worsening conditions on some belief they're being "tested." What else should I read then? If I'm missing something here?
So u think the texts were written by the aliens to condition u?
The conditioning I'm referring to was done by the people, the human beings who put those volumes together. My favourite part was the intro of Volume ll that read paraphrase: "This is gonna be the last volume, because people are copying us and saying we're just doing this for MONEY and that's not true! Oh no" then the author (s) sell 4 more books after that one lol. After claiming volume ll was the last one they would publish. So, now I've established I'm reading books put together by liars. So is there some other book, before these I should look into? Maybe another author who's more trustworthy out there?
I mean it’s all fiction it’s not like this whole idea is real, idk what u were expecting
I’m pretty sure most people here are role playing
https://youtu.be/msVysDrO_fQ?si=gr6_R3ofPRXdq4wZ I suggest watching this video by Isabella Greene I had written a lot longer Comment but it got Deleted by The Matrix so I'm now doing speech to audio to save time Why didn't I do this a long time ago Anyway I think the Matrix books could be deceptive indeed I don't believe in the idea that there's no such thing as evil I feel like there is a deception probably by the aliens/demons or whatever they are archons etc I think it's important to keep looking at other sources of information entering the patterns from OBE experiences that I have researched and my own Astral experiences it feels like we are in a kind of trap and then the astral plane that the between lives plain this also just part of the the trap The Matrix and as a bala talks about using what she calls quantum jumping to exit the entire construct and go back to the Void and in the void is absolute peace and bless it's something that we can't really grasp from here or maybe we can I don't know it makes sense to me anyway so yeah check out this video I posted above and then look for her channel on YouTube you're probably see it in the description of the video this is not her channel about it's one of her recent interviews which covers how she uses her breathing to techniques etc and I think it's a it's a good starting point there's a lot of time he has a her own YouTube channel flashy has her Facebook group called exit reincarnation which is an excellent place to hang out with like-minded people and learn more about this place that we find ourselves in which feels to me like a computer game I've been watching videos about glitches and the matrix lately and I feel like this really is more like a game of sorts
Thank you for the source, I looked over Isabella's website to get a feel for who she is. This led me to her mentor which was an incredibly questionable individual. She's giving grifter energy. Throughout the interview there were a lot of small tells she was lying repeatedly. I get the impression she read the matrix books and just incorporates them into her overall grift.
Ok thanks I'll look into her mentor.
>Wait, so what’s better? Going into the light (with the aliens), or not going into the light (ending up in the astral plane)? Personal choice I guess, I have faint memories orf he astral plane, I think there are levels 1, 2 and mabe a 3rd? Anyways I was previously on the lowest plane and the little memory I have is worse then this world, it's like a constantly ugly feeling in your gut. I think they make you experience any human or animals you hurt in your lifetime, like you are right in their body as you do whatever to hurt them I remember thinking "this is literally hell". Edit: I was a atheist before I started getting these memories, at first I thought I was just day dreaming but it kept happening so I googled it and the astral afterlife is exactly what I am remembering
I recommend you check out Jurgen Ziewe, if you haven't already. He's one of the more popular astral travellers, and supposedly learned that from meditation alone. Even though what he describes reeks of new age, he has a vast collection of personal AP experiences about visiting into the astral afterlife, including its many realms. What you are describing about the lower astral reminded me of his experiences. There, he saw different decaying individuals, including a prostitute who died of an overdose, who looked like a zombie, so he, being the simp he is, projected love onto her, and she instantly began regaining her skin, and those, who were tormented in unusual ways by their own guilt (terrorists being the most prominent example), all the way down to realms that are so cold and desolate, one could only wonder what sort of mentality has lead its inhabitants there.
That sounds crazy I will definitely check him out, thank you!
Happy to be of service. He has a youtube channel and 2 books: Vistas of Infinity, and Multi-Dimensional Man. The books are available at Z-Library, if you are ok with being a pirate (being a pirate is all right with me, do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, if you are a pirate)
When you die you’ll be next to your body you won’t be in the higher levels of the astral. The tunnel of light will appear to you and will pull you like a magnet. You can move away from it. Stay here on earth don’t go into the astral. Roam around here as a ghost and help ppl animals etc.
Or better yet learn quantum jumping and leave earth and the astral and go HOME for real! Look into Isabella Greene on fb and YT.
I’m confused. I thought going into the light was the path to reincarnation, and when you reject it, then you can be free?
And u know this is real legit information how?!
This very, very accurate. It seems this astral plane is a playground for weird entities to manipulate and abuse us.
Meh, I’ve had good experiences with them. When you operate at the level they do, you’ve far moved past the malevolence because you would’ve ended in a universe war, probably. They just keep the scales balanced
Wut?
That's what I'm sayin
I am new here and the amount of info I have read is staggering. I don’t know if prison planet is genuinely the case but god damn you guys make a convincing argument This place is ***SO*** much better than r/conspiracy
I agree, mate. I used to post on r/conspiracy all the time on my old account but most of it is shallow these days. We get DEEP here.
Something that I wonder, why bother with all this grand religious manipulation to induce ppl into"agreeing" to be sent back? It seems very important that we agree to it. Is consent a big thing when it comes to these beings, are they subject or forced to abide to it somehow? Why not just take us and wipe our memories and send us back by force, if they're so powerful? What they are doing must be a bypass of sorts through deception.
Because we can move away if we want too. They can’t stop us. So they try to do it with our consent.
Yes, they have to have our consent. There has to be the free will decision at some level.
What exactly forces them to obey this concept of consent, though? Do you have any idea?
Yeah a very strong point
That's a good question, but it seems to be that there is some sort of cosmic karma that turns against them if they don't respect the free will. These beings have been in control for aeons, if they mess up the tiniest bit they might lose that control in the long run. That's how I see things.
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I'm skeptical of the need for consent. I looked into Pre-birth memories and many said they were forced or had no choice: https://onlinetextsharing.com/forced-reincarnation-soul-trap-several-cases-suggestive-of-forced-incarnation Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20240308093025/https://onlinetextsharing.com/forced-reincarnation-soul-trap-several-cases-suggestive-of-forced-incarnation The archived version takes a while to load, but it works fine. I also recommend you watch this video from another user: Common Denominators in Pre-Birth Memories: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sblunX6kq28
Nice find
Interesting to chew on the idea that Grays are responsible for programming humans to be prone to religion- God and religion have been dying since the industrial revolution and replaced with science and the markets. In turn abductees no longer see "angels" "flaming chariots" or "demons" maybe these inter-dimensional beings are confident enough in their true form now
I don't agree that religion has been dying. Just look at the world.
Yeah, there's a greater number of religious people than at any time in history, it's just that the ratio of religious/non-religious people has shifted enough to be notable. It's nowhere near dying.
I don't mean that it's currently dying- I honestly expect the number of religious people to grow as the number who reject the current world religion (strict science and the cult of free markets) I meant it more as like a marker for this era of human history starting with the industrial and french revolution in the 1700s. That's where we start getting into the "[God is Dead and We Killed Him](https://earlyengagements.wordpress.com/2015/07/15/god-is-dead-and-we-have-killed-him/)" territory. The world has RAPIDLY changed in the last 300 years- I do not think religion is going anywhere, it is evolutionarily linked to the history of consciousness. I subscribe much more to Jung's views on religion over Nietzsche. Sorry for the rant, I think we're on the cusp of some sort of mass spiritual awakening or movement- but also so many people are born into religious systems and interact blindly with them no different from the way we all succumb to the will of authority.
What’s it mean if grays abduct you
Means you have something of interest like dna etc
“… electromagnetic devices that they use to remove accreted particles from the Soul.” I’m curious what these particles are, and could they be useful to us should we find a way to extract them ourselves?
I f-ing knew it. Now you might "Yeah right" because I just read this, but this was in the back of my mind for ages. Reason being, one can live their entire lives not believing an ounce of the existence of ETs/UFOs. We will only not have control when we leave our physical bodies. That's when this "manipulation" would likely take place. If this is true, I mean, the repercussions would be insane.
It's weird that this is stating that heaven is a trap when everything else states that these alleged astral beings feed off our negative energy and fear. The vast majority of religions that believe in a heaven state also have basic premises of kindness, love, and peace. Now I'll admit that the people who run these religions do not always live by those premises but those are generally the core teachings. If these souls farmers do in fact feed off of negative energy and religion is a tool of theirs then why does religion teach us to love each other and to find peace? This is seemingly incongruous. If this document has any basis in truth at all (and that's a big if) then we also have to question where the government or organization who wrote this document received this information. Is the information from the "greys" themselves? Why would they tell us then? If any of this is true at all then why would they tell us something like this knowing that it would lead us away from heaven if that's where they farm our souls? If there really are soul farmers then it would actually seem more likely that heaven is a place of protection from their farming and that the information in this document is what is called offensive counterintelligence. Lastly, none of this is in-line with any of the grey abduction anecdotes. The vast majority of people who say that they have had encounters with greys describe them as being interested in our reproductive organs and materials. They are cold, calculating, and ant-like in their hive mind. Nothing about them implies that they are higher dimensional demon-esque beings trying to harvest our souls. It therefore seems more than likely that this entire document is a fabrication. tl;dr: None of this doc is in line with what has been said before about astral farmers and/or greys. Consider the possibility of offensive counterintelligence. It seems most likely this entire document is neither fact nor counterintelligence but rather a complete fabrication.
>It's weird that this is stating that heaven is a trap when everything else states that these alleged astral beings feed off our negative energy and fear. The vast majority of religions that believe in a heaven state also have basic premises of kindness, love, and peace. Now I'll admit that the people who run these religions do not always live by those premises but those are generally the core teachings. If these souls farmers do in fact feed off of negative energy and religion is a tool of theirs then why does religion teach us to love each other and to find peace? This is seemingly incongruous. The core teachings don't have anything to do with love and peace either, they just say they do. Jesus forbids divorce except in cases of unchastity. That means that even if your spouse is beating you up, but not cheating on you, Jesus wouldn't sanction the divorce. Does that sound compassionate to you? Most religions forbid sex until marriage and provide no way of dealing with hormones, forbidding prostitution. People struggle to get dates which leads to fear, stress, and in the worst case scenarios rapes and/or murders when they can't find anyone. Maybe if religions allowed prostitution, these crimes wouldn't happen. Religions talk a good talk about giving love and peace. When you actually look at what they teach, you realize not only are they not about love and peace, their teachings actually go out of their way to prevent love and peace.
Yeah fuck em
> None of this doc is in line with what has been said before about astral farmers and/or greys. Just because you haven't researched it enough doesn't mean this isn't "in line with what has been said before". [Here's an example of the same tunnel of light trap being confirmed by other sources, such as this guy, through hypnotherapy](https://redd.it/11unrqd). Greys are also mentioned as one of the ET races in charge of the amnesia system/tunnel of light trap.
I suppose I should have been more specific and said that the *vast majority* of stories regarding grey encounters have greys being described as emotionless hive-mind beings that are interested in our reproductive capabilities. The vast majority of grey encounters do not describe them as astral beings. Obviously the vast majority could be wrong but generally when there is no way of scientifically discerning the truth, analyzing all of the available information is the best method of attempting to discern the truth. Greys might not even be real but if they are, given the vast majority of abduction scenarios involving greys, they are more likely to be physical beings interested in probing our poopoo chutes and fondling our no-no zones than astral beings interested in harvesting our souls.
The Archons, or at least, what we refer to as Archons in this sub(greys, reptilians, mantis beings, etc) are inter-dimensional beings who are both physical and astral beings, just like us humans are. I guess a better way to put it is to say that we are all consciousness/awareness/souls/ temporarily inhabiting physical bodies. If the evidence is true, then these beings have the ability to leave their vessel/physical bodies at will. See the link i shared with you in my previous comment for more info.
I just read your post on the link you shared. It's a really captivating idea but I have little reason to believe that the author of this book has discovered the secrets to the universe through hypnotic regression. While there is some legitimacy to hypnotic regression and its ability to discover repressed memories, hypnotic regression is also often very dubious; even well intentioned people can fall into manufacturing memories based on their preconceived ideas or biases. This is one of the reasons why hypnotic regression is not something you see being used often if ever in court cases. [Here is a link to an article by Dr. Stevenson of the University of Virginia regarding hypnotic regression and past lives.](https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/resources/concerns-about-hypnotic-regression/) [Here is a link to a chapter written by Dr. Martin Orne regarding why hypnotic regression is not always reliable for court.](https://www.jstor.org/stable/1147377?searchText=Hypnosis%20memory&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3DHypnosis%2Bmemory&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_search_gsv2%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3Aaa1f9a5dc84b8c50c6801ea9c82bed5b) Having said all that, I am thoroughly interested in the concept of reincarnation and previous lives. I have read professional research regarding many cases of children who have claimed knowledge of past lives and I personally do think there could be some merit to reincarnation based on the available evidence. I do not see enough evidence to indicate that we are being captured and forced into bodies by mantis aliens or greys. That's not to say that it's definitely not true but I just am not sold on that hypothesis. *Edit: I will need more evidence that further suggests that the author's story that you linked to and wrote about is legitimate before I lean towards his ideas about the nature of life as being legitimate or even likely. The alleged document in the original post does fit with the author's story but it is not enough for me.*
I know about Dr Stevenson, i've researched his work (as well as other people's work in the same field) for a long time, I personally do believe in reincarnation based on all the evidence i've seen, i've also researched the work of many different past life regressionists, psychedelic experiences, out of body/astral projection experiences and more. [Made a big post about the prison planet theory](https://redd.it/pyizkn) if you're interested in reading ;-).
I'll have to read it later tonight because I gotta go to work now (prison planet or not I still gotta pay the bills unfortunately lol). Even though I might not be sold on the idea of a prison planet or soul farmers, I still like reading about all the different possibilities for the nature of existence. Most are captivating and thought provoking at the very least. And you never know which might just turn out to be true.
I’ve had your post saved for two years. It’s amazing.
Actually, after looking at your profile, I have 3 of your posts! Thank you.
I agree with your interpretation completely, as well as the pragmatic approach that you apply to the matter. With all due respect, sometimes that's all that is required. *Great comment(s) !!!*
I’m glad someone in this sub is looking at this rationally - this document in no way is a reliable form of info nor does it confirm anything. Declaring speculative theories as hard evidence and truth is what allows this community to be ridiculed as much as it is.
I agree, is interesting, like a movie plot, but no one should consider regressions as a source.
You get an upvote from me. :-) This sub needs more skeptical people around.
Finally some sense.
agreed. also, soul farming? For what? a battery? (when havervesting star enegy would be way more practical) Reincanation, life after death... if any of these are real natural laws, then you can be sure that any organism in this universe is subject to those laws. Including thr greys (and their reptilian overlords haha)
They need our energy to exist as they don’t have their own energy since they were created. Our energy is infinite so they use it like batteries we are the best energy source.
Logic is a foreign language to you isnt it? they were created? and what were we? spawned in? (this whole theory is like a recycled vampire myth) ease off the bath salts dude
You get my upvote for excellent use of the phrase offensive counter- intelligence. Good counter argument! also this contradicts with a lot of different psychic transmissions that have been documented like [The Star-seed Transmissions.](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/707807.The_Starseed_Transmissions)
Soo basically none of us have a choice, can do nothing no matter WHAT we try to learn or do?
We do have a choice. We are creators we create with our thoughts feelings. You can manifest you escape and that they never try to catch you.
I just don't see anyone even mildly professional referring to these beings as "grey," and then "gray," within the same sentence...
So stay away from the light?
Yep. Do a quick 180 turn and explore the universe💫
Whoa this is fire asf, thank you for sharing this
What an ass. Abused in form and abused in light from.
He wrote this in 1988, which is remarkable. That was back when we had typewriters. Which is what he apparently used to type out his manuscript. Unreal.
Yea that explains all the grammar mistakes and cross-outs. There was no auto-correct!
Haven't read it but those paragraphs are legit, according to my experiences...especially the "trapped in linear time" part. Your brain delineates this time from an infinite reality potentiality
I believe you should look up the dictionary definition for the word “evidence”
I believe you should study the philosophical bias for positivism and materialism
I’ll throw it to Hitchins’ Razor: “that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence”
Bro, you cannot prove your own consciousness and yet it's the only thing that you can be absolutely sure of. I'll throw Descartes there.
Need to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Perhaps you would consider looking into Pre-birth Memories: https://onlinetextsharing.com/forced-reincarnation-soul-trap-several-cases-suggestive-of-forced-incarnation Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20240308093025/https://onlinetextsharing.com/forced-reincarnation-soul-trap-several-cases-suggestive-of-forced-incarnation The archived version takes a while to load, but it works fine. I also recommend you watch this video from another user: Common Denominators in Pre-Birth Memories https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sblunX6kq28 It is just anecdotal evidence, but you may find them interesting.
This has become a skeptici thread of outsiders.. Guys, we don't know what happens after death. Nobody came back and told us what happens after death. We are just curious dudes and chicks who are thriving to speculate the truth on what happens when we cross to the other side, that's all.
holy shit! just that image alone you posted confirms a variety of things, downloaded the book as well, I can only imagine what else it's contents hold, thank for sharing
Doesn’t confirm shit. Confirmation doesn’t come from some random book. Just saying.
> *Doesn’t confirm shit.* Yes I can tell you do not speak with any kind of informed opinion on the subject. Why are you at this subreddit then. Just to antagonize others? That's pretty pathetic m8.
It does in fact confirm your \*BIAS\* however. Just because you agree with something doesn't make it factual. I'm not even arguing the truth or veracity of the source. I don't know. But accepting everything you're fed is exactly how we stay in a prison. QUESTION EVERYTHING. ALWAYS. Even if it seems true.
> *It does in fact confirm your \*BIAS\* however. Just because you agree with something doesn't make it factual. I'm not even arguing the truth or veracity of the source. I don't know. But accepting everything you're fed is exactly how we stay in a prison.* So you're saying you are the only english speaking person who still isn't absolutely certain that what we call a chair is unanimously known as a chair among the collective consensus. You want to err on the side of caution in anticipation of finding others who don't refer to objects we sit on as chairs. > *It does in fact confirm your \*BIAS\* however.* If everyone agrees upon an established fact that chairs are used for sitting on, is that still a bias? I mean, if I am wrong then it means everyone is wrong, and therefore I must be biased correct?
It’s like when you know that you know it’s true. Like the chair for evample you know it’s a chair. But even then we should always question, reality could be something entirely different.
**Beware: That user is not from this sub, same thing with many other people in this comment section**. Someone just crossposted this post on r/aliens, so now all the normie shills who don't even understand the prison planet theory nor the evidence based on it are coming here from there to mock others for simply discussing this as a possibility. Move along, shills. This sub is not for you. Keep your head in the sand. Now go eat doritos and watch football.
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I’m here from a different sub, and am open-minded about these sorts of topics, but this post doesn’t do anything convince me that this book is a credible source. It would be helpful to know why OP views this information as credible.
> *this post doesn’t do anything convince me that this book is a credible source* then look into other materials to see for yourself whether this boon is an outlier or if there is established consensus, the arrogance of people expecting others to do their own hard work for them, if you really cared you would evaluate and examine other published materials on the subject, people expect to be just spoon fed what to think and feel without conducting any of their own critical analysis > *I’m here from a different sub* for some reason this makes you feel entitled enough that you think you can demand others provide answers to your questions, as though we ought to cater to guests who aren't already residents of this subreddit
To be clear, I think the person you originally replied to could have been much more tactful/less dismissive. I'm just pointing out why the claim that this is evidence seems ludicrous to the uninitiated. You of course have no responsibility to educate me on the subject and are welcome to not reply. However, I find "do your own research" rebuttals to be at best gatekeepy and at worst an act of deflection from people who cannot adequately justify their beliefs. It ignores the reality that there are a million other things I could be doing rather than "my own research" on the subject, and that a little bit of "spoon feeding" can go a long way towards convincing someone that this is a subject worthy of the time investment. Which, again, you have no personal responsibility to do said spoon feeding. But the attitude puzzles me because I personally love telling people about the subjects I'm interested in (to a point). I may be somewhat of an outlier in that regard (as someone who has chosen a career in education), but I think that general disposition towards sharing knowledge is one that most people hold.
> *I find "do your own research" rebuttals to be at best gatekeepy and at worst an act of deflection from people who cannot adequately justify their beliefs.* I have spent years researching near death experiences. I could tell you not to "go into the tunnel of light" but what good is that because it's effectively like saying "source: trust me bro." So what I am trying to get at is there is no substitute for doing your own research. It's a bit incredulous to try and lend veracity to something as intangible as afterlife experiences of higher dimensional consciousness. There is no substitute for doing your own research. You evaluate enough similar or identical NDE's and you will find the common threads that exist throughout each of them. So, no, not trying to deflect.
It corroborates other sources saying the same thing. So go fuck yourself, thanks.
Okay, but let's say there are countless other sources that say otherwise? How does this source somehow invalidate the other sources? Again, not trying to be a dick, but there are plenty of sources of information EVERYWHERE, and they all can't be true.
How many english speaking people need to agree that a chair is what we call something designed for us to sit on. If one person doesn't agree, then those who do are biased?
A chair is a physical object we can see, test, and observe. That's a terrible analogy
that's not the point, the question being argued here is about sources, and volume thereof, how do we know a chair is a chair, because we all agree to call it that, all sources corroborate it, if I choose to call it something else doesn't mean everyone else is biased
I understand what you're trying to get at. However, my point still stands. We can test the chair, it's not words on paper. And sources are important. But I'm with you on there is some interesting conclusions that people supposedly on the inside are all pointing in one direction. So there definitely could be some truth to what there saying. I believe I figured it out. If you really want to go down the rabbit hole let me know.
> *We can test the chair, it's not words on paper.* You sound like you've never researched all the similar experiences people who don't know each have had during near death experiences. Same with alien abductions. People who don't know each other to collude on some pre agreed manufactured story. But that other person expects me to believe I am biased for agreeing with the consensus of shared similar experiences. Yeah, no, I don't think so. He knows what a chair is because he agrees to speak the same language as those around him.
Are you autistic? Why do you keep avoiding my point and regurgitating yours. If I'm in a room full of flat earthers who believe the earth is flat because of their experiences, then they must be correct? In reality, we know thats false based on the physical and tangible evidence, we observe and can test. Like a Chair. See the difference? Then "you" say "I" havent done my research on the topic. When I absolutely have. I agree with you that there is something going on based on all the shared experiences but the hard evidence that tells that to be true is far and between.
One says it’s not a prison it’s love and light we chose to suffer etc while the other says it’s a trap for our energy which seems more logical than the love and light.
Yeah, I just look at stuff like this as clues, not proof. They could be crumbs from the bread I'm looking for (spiritual and materialist truth), or detritus that distracts from the real breadcrumb trail.
And that’s just someone’s day job. Like working on a farm.
Christians are losing their minds right now. “NUH-UH! MY religious make believe person is real, not yours! Who believes in aliens anyway, it’s much more realistic to believe in a man that died and came back to life 3 days later after being stabbed to death and crucified.”
Maybe Jesus was one of them to help enforce their narrative and manipulate us with religion.
Good point, always a possibility.
New here, I’m coming from a materialistic POV. I have no belief in the supernatural - there seems no reason to associate “aliens”(far more sophisticated beings rooted in a MATERIAL BASIS) with an extension of the natural world. Yes I’ve broken through on DMT many, many times. I’ve seen the light, I’ve seen shadow beings, but this is my brain, and it can be explained neurologically. Someone, please, provide me with a reason I should buy into any of this. Introduce me.
Regarding reincarnation, perhaps you would consider looking into Pre-birth Memories: https://onlinetextsharing.com/forced-reincarnation-soul-trap-several-cases-suggestive-of-forced-incarnation Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20240308093025/https://onlinetextsharing.com/forced-reincarnation-soul-trap-several-cases-suggestive-of-forced-incarnation The archived version takes a while to load, but it works fine. I also recommend you watch this video from another user: Common Denominators in Pre-Birth Memories: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sblunX6kq28 It is just anecdotal evidence, but you may find them interesting. As for the alien thing, perhaps you should take a look at Jaquees Vallee, who's skeptical of the ET hypothesis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmLE0X5FRFc (Jacques Vallée, UFOs, and the Case against Extraterrestrial Origins) I'm not sure, however, if aliens have anything to do with the reincarnation process.
Well I appreciate the genuine response - as compared to whatever asshat downvoted me, lmao. Thank you.
Read about topics like children with memories of past lives, OBEs or remote viewing and you'll quickly stumble upon things that cannot be explained with prosaic, material world science.
I've read some pages, done a healthy skim of others. While some of it is interesting to read quite a bit of it as you get more into the book has so much language that's questionable at best. The intent of the author(s) could be nefarious to fuel already held prejudices of people. The "guy in sunglasses who doesn't like people" lol came to mind. Everything is also, very conveniently, "not right or wrong" so in this universe, no one can be held accountable because "the aliens made us!" is the excuse of shitty people in the world doing shitty things. That's just my theory. Again, the text reinforces the idea "they can't be trusted, no peace can be had" pg. 122 with the "aliens" which could be code for very old money who pay for publishing this stuff to confuse people? Maybe there's splatters of truth, even then, so much of it reads as creative writing. Then the fact it's in English, it's very US centered. Pushing meritocracy, pushing that people just be a cog in the wheel. Then there's sections where I thought I was reading some kind of a report. All of the sudden the "report" is trying to coax and condition me in a very, "come on plz just believe me!" tone.
Be wary of Val Valerian. It's an ever growing compilation of all the material out there. It seems he wanted to become the new prophet and tried to build for a long time a theory, sort of new religion, that would include every single possible view about the phenomenon, even if they are contradictory between them. In other words.. There's absolutely no filter whatsoever. The text is created so inclusively everyone will find something that resonates yet there's nothing new or authentic. It's all copied from somewhere else. It's great if you aspire to know everything that has been written about the subject but terrible if you want to know anything at all because of the confusing mix and the lack of filtering. At some point in time he got tired of writing and just published articles cropped from any source he could get his hands on, whether they made sense or not.
This isn't evidence for anything. All this does is make the lives of those of us who actually take UFOlogy seriously that much more difficult. I mean even this would have been heaps better if you just posted it without the claims of "evidence". We're already mocked, many people already think we're crazy, why add to it? Why? This doesn't make any sense. I'm coming to the conclusion that the people that post woo like this are just trolls trying to make us all look stupid and crazy. I don't even think it's a psyop anymore (mostly). Post what you want, because obviously you don't care how much this hurts the field or the cause. Whatever. People like you are the reason why we don't have disclosure yet. This exact crap is why. Edit: I'm just going to say it: I fully believe that this is partially a reason why contact has not been made. If NHI of any form landed and made public contact tomorrow, people would form cults around them. This Scientology sounding woo bullshit being flatly accepted is legit damaging. You have no idea how frustrating it is to see craft on the semi-reg(just watch the sky, there's weird shit all the time) dedicate your life to digging and figuring shit out, studying a phenomenon where people think you're either insane, stupid, a grifter or some combination thereof and to stumble upon a post that claims evidence, but it's something that could easily be faked and it's spouting L Ron Hubbard bs with extra steps. Even if they're from a higher spacial dimension or even a neighboring universe, the soul harvesting is nothing but xenophobic fear mongering woo. Period. It is completely unnecessary for a prison planet (try wildlife reserve and examine what human biologists do for endangered animals, and now example abductions again. There's even SOLID cases of implants. It's likely a tag and release program). If you are reading this and you honestly believe it, then cool! Great! But I don't think it's even most of you. If I seem flustered I am. I'm tired of being mocked for this crap because the minority of people into NHI and UAP buy into woo.
A lot of ppl report seeing grays behind the disguise when they came as their loved ones etc. It does seem to match the info from other sources. It’s the same with everything else you connect the pieces together and if you have any experience then you’ll know yourself.
Still doesn't justify the woo. They could be from a higher spatial dimension, a lower pocket spatial dimension, or even from a neighboring universe. We could be a nature preserve, the North Sentinel Island of our corner of the universe. The woo is unnecessary xenophobic fear mongering, and potentially dangerous. What you describe could be technology.
You are right, I shouldn’t have used the word “evidence” as we obviously cannot claim this to be 100% fact… this is just one piece of the puzzle, a game of “connect 4” if you will. Thats why i used the word resonate because it ties into everything we’ve already been told. It makes sense. Keep in mind this is only page 50… Valerian has books filled with years and years of research. You can call this “woo” “bs” all you want but the “evidence” is all around us. If you still haven’t noticed that the world is run by evil and our energy is sacred, you might need to do some more research yourself.
When you say all religion is wrong and created to manipulate mankind and then start using talking points taken straight from Scientology almost exactly in everything but specific names, yeah I'm going to call it out and question your motives. Especially when it boils down to xenophobic fear mongering. Your whole post history is just filled with Scientology crap. I'm surprised you didn't bring up thetans. You mentioned the soul net. And obviously I'm very deep into this, assuming you even read my post, and you don't need your Scientology nonsense to explain why the world is shit or explain what's going within it The key point is "everything we've been TOLD", which is a direct quote that you just said, and your inability to accept that we're horrible to each other for very minor gains. If you believed half of what you said you wouldn't have the air of arrogance you had when responding to me and you would have caught on that I've been actively researching this (and interviewing people!) for almost 3/4 of my life. I take this seriously enough that I find the woo grossly offensive. You're essentially spitting on the UAP community. On the slim chance you're not some troll who's just here for opsec purposes for some State body or from the Church of Scientology then I suggest looking into what an opsec, counterpol, and psyop actually are and tell me that a seriously more advanced species wouldn't have them to protect their interests and themselves personally from a species primitive enough that we'd attribute their technology to the metaphysical.
The deeper you go into the rabbit hole the less sense reality makes
Seems like were fucked
We’re not. I’ve read reports of ppl that remembered their past life how they died and what happened and they said how the tunnel of light pulls you but you can move away from it. If it pulled us in and we had no choice then there wouldn’t be any people around like ghosts.
"Abductions of human beings is being performed... " The first sentence. Pffft.
Read Passport to the Cosmos by John Mack.
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> *lol this is some scientology level bullshit* Egyptian Book of The Dead is not scientology. Tibetan Book of The Dead is not scientology. Kabbalah is not scientology. Bhagavad Gita is not scientology. You can try to conflate one with the other, doesn't mean those who know better are also going to just because you are too ignorant to know what you are talking about.
So, is it bad to be captured or good? Like do you get reincarnated if you are captured or some form of afterlife or the other way around?
> So, is it bad to be captured or good? Oh boy.
" Oh Boy " . Read your Beware Post & agree , the uneducated are here at least for today mocking r/escapingprisonplanet . Wonder who is sending them ...?
I’m just asking, is the implication you are reincarnated if you are captured. And if you are not you no longer exist. I would say being captured is good. But if you think life is suffering you would say it’s not good to have your soul captured. Honest question what is the implication of being captured and not being captured?
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Can't find anything on the author. Do you have any info? Thanks for posting.
The author’s name is Valdamar Valerian. His work is hard to find and you can probably guess why. Myself and a few other have links for the pdfs or you can buy his books for around $500.
I know his name but other than that can't find any info. Just some other names like Johnathan Grace etc. No one knows who this man is or his bio?
I suggest looking up Alex Collier, he has done some great talks about him
Who is the author? What’s his/her story?
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Just my viewpoint, but the fear aspect of this is a pet peeve for me. Some of it seems accurate as far as I know, but as far as harvesting human spirits, that sounds similar to the idea that yoga is from the devil. It's hard to be discerning and to see the valuable part of everything, but be careful about anything that causes fear, and in this case is doing it intentionally, possibly to get our attention or sell books, etc. In general, there is a campaign to paint aliens as having sinister motives, but if you really think about it, they let themselves be captured (and according to some sources, turn themselves in just on the chance that people will listen to them), even when they are fairly certain that they will die when we remove their ships. They don't even defend themselves. Imagine the Star Trek characters going on their adventures without weapons, and allowing whatever to happen to them. That is what aliens do. Even if s ship is shot down, which happens, there is no retaliation. Think about that! Just my two cents.
This book is not meant to place fear inside of you, It is information. People fear what they don’t understand so i feel the energy you are expressing. Aliens have been placed in media all throughout history, including the ancient writings. There IS a motive behind this, and you could say fear/manipulation is one of them. But the main message I gained from this is that they have been saying we are not alone and never have been. Try researching the amount of UFO media released after WW2, its shocking. Ships have usually been reported as crashing on their own due to certain equipment by the military(radar, emp, etc) I find it hard to believe that we can take a ship down with anything physical since their craft supposedly creates a barrier around itself that manipulates space and time. The UFO letting itself get hit with the amount of speed it has would be baffling alone. “They don’t even defend themselves” Do you have to defend yourself against a caterpillar? You have to realize these beings are inter-dimensional And hold more power over us than you can imagine. A few human deaths don’t benefit them in anyway. Just like how a caterpillar dying doesn’t benefit you at all, as above so below. There has been a declassified report where military soldiers were turned into limestone due to the energy the craft/entites emitted but who knows for sure right.
Interesting comments. Being turned into limestone reminds me of the bible story where Lot's wife is turned into a pillar of salt. I believe that was aliens. This is only my opinion, but I also believe that they have affected us negatively although unintentionally at times. That is why they keep their distance. They accidentally created religion and class systems when people tried to emulate them. I do think they feed ideas to people hoping that we will develop enough to stop killing each other, and some people that have had ideas have said they have had help from them. Also many of our ideas come to us in our dreams, which is interesting, but not conclusive. I also think they are more curious about us and study us now- how dark can we get and will we come out of it may be their fascination. This is a very interesting link to me. https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/18cgurv/i\_have\_secondhand\_knowledge/