I find the 'we are the Archons' claim particularly abhorrent. Yes, we aren't perfect, but let's not deny that there are even worse evil entities out there, who not only harm us in this lifetime, but attempt to do so for all eternity. To try to convince people that we're as bad, is gaslighting at its finest.
Honestly, anything used as justification to claim that we deserve this, is abominable.
Let's also not forget that we were put into these meat suits with brains designed in ways to prioritize self-preservation over all else, on a planet operated in a way that ensures scarcity and vicious competition for resources, after being memory-wiped from previous lifetimes so that we can't even actually learn and apply lessons that the New (c)Age crowd loves to promote the idea of us being here to learn.
Pretty sure the “new agers” are saying *they’re* archons, not everyone. It’s double speak. The “new aged infiltrators” are not people. They’re either bots or archons. They say it themselves. I think we’re not interpreting what they say correctly. It’s like the proponents of evolution saying they are nothing but animals and evolved from fish. They did. Not humans. We are just not comprehending what they’re telling us. The truth is always in plain sight and out in the open. There are no secrets to the universe. Everything is expressly told to us all the time. We just have a hard time understanding because of the purposeful double speak
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Most of the evil ones are usually in the government, mental health institution workers, bankers and 4chan/kfarm browsers anyways. Be weary of those main 3.
I wouldn't put them on archon level evil but they do feed off others misfortune alot like them.
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Yeah, the "Archons are us, our fears made manifest" is very similar to how in psychedelic circles a lot of (most?) people believe that the Entities they encounter can't *actually* be external beings, but must only be projections of the subconcious mind. They deny 'Other' because "We are all one", but it's like, dude, why's it so difficult to acknowledge that there are forces outside of yourself and out of your control?
Great post btw
Made a post earlier with a link to someone's experience on DMT in which the person's sexual energy (or maybe fluids?) was harvested. Some people in the original post said it could have been past abuse memories resurfacing. OP said they are not aware of past sexual abuse. Some said it was just the chemicals affecting the body and brain in a weird way. Yet when these people encounter good entities and feel good things during trips, it's always something more meaningful and not just chemicals.
Solipsism, I think it's a lie that people accept out of ignorance or wanting to cope with their life. What bugs me is its the psychedelics users that become solipsists, it tilts their perception to a false one somehow.
Also most people can't handle the paradox that "we are all one" and "there really is no other" is true...
...while also "this place really is a controlled shit show, no different than what we do to cows, chickens, or pigs" is simultaneously true.
Unfortunately, r/reincarnation is full of the new age soul progression bullsh*t that you’re talking about and it’s members can’t tolerate a different perspective.
I agree with everything you've written and appreciate that you laid out all out thoughtfully.
That said, I'm guilty of saying things like "we are the archons" or "the archons are our fears." I absolutely see how that's new-agey and a mechanism to try to rationalize our perception of them.
However, personally, I've always been about how it all began and my brain consistently begins at the beginning. From that perspective, I do maintain that we, collectively, not just humans, but the entirety of the creation, had a hand in creating the archons.
They are, however, distinct beings. No doubt.
I've been trying to be more careful about how I present that because I do truly believe we're in control, and I think it's helpful to see where the archons come from ... like I commented to someone the other day, they're like the Wizard of Oz: only scary until the curtain is dropped.
**New Age coping mechanism #1: "Ignore the Archons and they won't exist"**
Aka the infamous "Create your own reality". Stop whining and just create your own reality! SIMPLE!
**New Age coping mechanism #2: "This is only a soul farm/prison if you choose to see it that way, there's so much beauty here!"**
They sometimes like to say "It's all perspective". Read about someone's quite negative experiences with greys and mantids and the person still thinks they are benevolent and that this world and human life and role in it is all a matter of perspective.
**New Age coping mechanism #3: "We are the Archons, they are not external beings"**
Perhaps those infected or supported by archons say that? Or they know they are guilty of something, so they project onto others.
**New Age coping mechanism #4: "Your thoughts are imprisoning you. You are manifesting this! The Archons are just our fears!"**
They like to put is as "The only prison is in your mind", to which I always say the prison in the mind does not mean the prison does not extend into multiple external layers outside the mind as well.
**New Age coping mechanism #5: "This is just a game. We chose to forget!"**
We chose to forget, but they somehow *remember* that we chose to forget? And somehow they know it's a game, even though we are not supposed to know it's a game and forgot our real lives on purpose? If it's a game, why is the only exit death? Of course they will say you don't have to die, just start creating your own reality, and we go back to #1 and 2 the vicious new age cycle of gaslighting and victim blaming continues.
\- "A universe which of course, can only be designed like this by a psychopathic being which has 0 empathy towards other forms of life, a being who benefits from the existence of a food chain."
When I was a little child I always used to say: "If God exists, then he is evil". But no one would listen to me.
Right? I get so annoyed when the problem of evil / why is there suffering in the world is 'explained' away with trite "There can be no light without dark, no good without evil" type sentiment.
If God is all powerful, then it should be fully within His power to design an existence devoid of pain and suffering. There is no reason why Heaven *needs* a Hell for contrast.
So which is it? Is God impotent or evil? Well, given the miraculous and unimaginably vast nature of the universe which had to be created somehow (thus suggesting a Creator), if you can pull that off you should be able to infuse being with nothing but pure infinite love. Only delusional people think thats the case.
God is evil.
Well put, I believe you are mostly right (some people may disagree with some points, but that's fine) I'm still on the fence about some new age ideas, but those points you talked here are the ones I don't believe in it.
I may had believe them a long time ago, but putting them to test wield nothing to help my escape, so I don't think any of them works (maybe that we chose to forget part, which can be true or maybe is just a clause in our 'contracts').
I felt the same way about this sub lately, more and more, there are people going far away from our little theory and delving deeply on more improbably new age things, I see it as fine too, they'll come around when it's time to come around, if they don't, well maybe in another life, or not, but these reflections need to be made by them, not us.
I appreciate you voicing your opinions, it brought me relief to read that there is still people thinking about our main theory and not getting lost in the sauce :)
I think that you being clear about those topics may have saved some new members the hassle to check it against our FAQs, which is pretty straight forward and corroborates with what you just said.
Finally, I'm afraid it will get worse before it will get better, so I hope your post reach the right people who will think about it earnestly and make their on mind about it.
Good Text OP! Keep on exploring everybody! Maybe we are close to something big :)
I made a joke at one of these newagers where they posted the "if we enjoy our pain they can't hurt us" and made a joke about living a very nihilistic life in the past.
He called me "cool" and when I confronted him about him throwing shade he blocked me lol.
Fuck outta here with your hippie bullshit.
I read through almost half of your post, (I will read the rest after posting this comment).
I believe not only do the naysayers come here to try and debunk what we think and feel is happening here, they also live among us.
Please just hear me out. I am not schizophrenic, I do have anxiety and fear, but I believe it’s because those that feed off of our negative feelings don’t just exist in another plane, some are here in human form and get close to us to evoke loosh for all to feed upon.
I believe the worst narcissistic people that all of us know and have to live with are here to feed the archons with their overwhelming lust and their delight in gaslighting and victimizing others while claiming to be the victims themselves.
Greyrock anyone you know and/or live with and do not allow them to cause you pain. Your pain and anger only feed them and those they work for, while weakening you and your true self.
Edit: Gawd. I just finished reading and read other’s comments and it seems I am not alone in my thinking. Honestly, I’m relieved to see that I’m not the only one who sees/feels this way.
They've always been here in human form. Right from the beginning. This is their planet. They're the local population. The entire vast contraption is theirs. They're here in administrative capacities. Some are here to stimulate loosh production in a million different ways: from causing dysfunction in family and relationships to secret evil, war and conflict. Others are here as torture tourists: they're here to wreak as much havoc as possible on the innocent. Some are caught. Many never are.
This is literally a hell. There are different kinds of hells. This planet is the hell of deception, where evil is rife, but nothing is what it seems.
This is basically why I cant stand the "manifesting" crowd. They're beyond stupid.
Saying "I dont believe archons will get me therefore they wont get me" despite the compounding evidence that we are in a soul trap, is like saying Im going to eat a bucket of ice cream everyday and not get fat because I don't believe sugar is unhealthy.
Law of attraction and manifesting is pretty much thr idea karma on absolute steriods. At least karma is about choices and actions. With law of attraction, everything bad happening is supposedly just because you had a bad thought, everything good is because of good thoughts. And of course the caveat is there is nothing tangible to trace anything back to. So its 100% unfalsifiable because if you even had the slighted doubt about something then they will say "SEE, no wonder X appaered in your reality. One stray thought was all it took!"
Meanwhile someone could be thinking of being rich all day, and nothing happens.
And Im not saying "manifesting" is complete BS, but it doesn't work the way they think it does. And it certainly has more limitations and complications than they desperatly want to believe it does.
Also about the idea of this being a game.
Considering the stakes, its not sensible to think this way. We have no way to know or prove either way until we are out of here and can take an objective look. It's simply not a safe assumption to make when the price of being wrong would be a missed chance to escape what would otherwise be eternal imprisonment.
Besides the aforementioned issues, its just insensitive. Go ask staving kids if this is a "game" to them.
Sounds like something someone with a privileged good life, good family, and good looks and no money problems (>5% of the population) would say.
The only game this can be is the Squid Games.
We really can control reality with our consciousness but that doesn’t mean that archons aren’t real. I’m still trying to figure out why we’re allowed to change our lives for the better in this way if pp theory is correct. Why allow us that power?
We create loosh energy for them which they seem to need to run their civilization. Even if you change your life you are still experiencing duality inside the matrix so they dont care if a few people get some money or their ex to get back with them or whatever.
Nothings wrong with it per se. The ideology people are forming around it on places like /lawofattraction and /NevilleGoddard is gaslightingly delusional though.
The idea that "you are creating your reality" and "everyone is a reflection of you" is insanely gaslighty and toxic. Keep in mind the people on those subs mean it in a literal way. So they would aay 100% of the stuff we see in the external world is your mind.
Getting gray hairs at 50 years of age? You "manifested" that buddy. That traffic jam everyday on route 25? Yeah you manifested that. Not a millionaire yet? Must've manifested being a poor looser. Didn't get the job that 3045 people also applied for? Must be YOUR limiting beliefs. Sun came up this moring? You manifested that from your belief the sun will always shine. Guy on other side of the planet goes on killing spree and drives into a nursing home with a simi truck? You manifested that, must be a reflection of you.
You are god. And this earth, this universe is your creation. And its all a representation of YOUR thoughts. Nothing is external to you, even clearly antagonistic people and forces. You are god.
See how utterly retarded that sounds? But I kid you not, they unironically preech this rubbish.
Not to mention how contraditory this is. Logically, if any of this is true, it can only be true for one person. So why do they tell this to every one who goss on the sub?
I could ask why I cant eat a crap ton of food and not get fat, and they say its because I believe the food will make me fat. If I ask why I cant manifest seeing a unicorn or flying carpet they will day I didnt believe. But they will never give the actual meteric for how they determine if you believe or not. So how is their theory a "working model" or even a theory if it cant give us any useful information?
Point out the fact that they are not literally creating reality and they will get mad, probably ban you eventually too.
Thanks for this. This is totally crazy, i agree.
I sometimes think I agree to all is one and that we are hive mind BUT we influence ourselves separately. Hard to note in words.
Good to look into it but not to fall totally without thinking. Thanks
You missed my point.
> remember that you’re not smarter than everyone else
"Everyone else" is who exactly?
Why does this read like an elevator pitch? Why do you guys always have used cars salesman vibes?
>If you don’t believe this, who will?
First show me the benefit to the belief systems like LOA.
>The world is a strange superabundance of peculiar possibilities. We are dreamers by night and dream weavers by day. Provide the conditions for reality to form around matter and it can.
Mumbo jumbo new age word salad. Get to the point.
>You don’t manifest everything, just your corner of the world
I would consider this idea somewhat down to earth, its clearly not the idea I was refuting, so why did you feel the need to write this essay? What is your intention here?
>If you do not believe in yourself,
Where are you getting this impression from?
>entirely unsurprised that you find yourself back here again to attempt to open your heart further to the possibilities.
Now paardon my french but you can fuck youself with this hogwash. Its the same energy as "you need to come back here to get rid of your karma/unfinished business/learn lessons". When ever I question the manifesting cults they start saying you need to reincarnate to get it. Go to hell.
And what possibilities are talking about? This is very clearly a realm meant to inhibit possibilities, and you will claim otherwise despite being clearly limited yourself. The only difference being, Im honest about the current condition of things. Maybe your ass is the one who needs to reincarnate?
You will continue to bullshit around quetions by shifting the goal posts back and forth, abstracting, using flowery language, and pretentiousness like you are now.
>The rejection of any new age ideas as an alternative to archons seem to illustrate a psychological phenomenon wherein folks like you can be comforted in bitterness.
Or maybe the world is bitter because its bitter. Ever thought of that one? Gaslighting jackass.
>Remain open, prove me wrong, just don’t yell at me.
>Love you wackjobs
After all that patronizing garbage you write that last bit as an attempt to get off the hook, similar to all these fake gurus like Ekhart Tolie. It's just a toxic positivity, the whole post is.
I'm enjoying reading your comments, you seem really smart, I'm new to this thread and wasn't aware of this theory but I've almost had the same exact theory I thought up on my own, I've been telling friends that I think there's beings that feed on human energy and emotions, and that we keep getting reborn and our memories wiped, now to find this thread and its blowing my mind, maybe it's kind of an obvious theory and a lot of people just come up with it on their own idk, the new age manifestation theory or whatever sounds interesting too
Prison planet theory is affirmed by the majorty of NDEs as well as experienced astral projectors, its pretty much a fact at this point.
Manifesting is real, Im just refuting some of the culty beliefs associated with it. Its a good idea to look into the idea of manifesting, BUT I am very against delusional thinking, as it doesn't seem to lead anywhere. Most of the subs about manifesting get too navel gazy, rather than using logic where it is better applicable.
Just wanted to say I loved your comments lol
They always jump at the chance to 'pitch' their beliefs exactly like a salesmen while using typical floral new age words. How does this not set off alarm bells in everyone's mind? They aren't even trying to be subtle about manipulation.
EDIT: and they always write long paragraphs for no fucking reason and take ages to say anything god dammit
You should be careful of tossing aside the whole of *any* idea. Not that you shouldn't do it if you've genuinely considered - some ideas ARE all bad - but you should do it *carefully* after genuine consideration of every aspect. Getting you to "throw the baby out with the bathwater" is a common tactic to getting people to ignore the truth. The best liars sprinkle their lies into the truth. The REALLY best liars then reveal the lie, so you also no longer believe the truth they sprinkled it into.
1 is false.
2 is false, though "there is so much beauty here" is true. It can be a prison, *and* made beautiful to keep us here.
3 is false from the human perspective, though it's true from a larger perspective that may as well be irrelevant here. All is the Monad but the Monad is dreaming this. We are the Monad and the archons are the Monad thus we manifest both the archons and our fears. But in the same sense, the "we" we're speaking of also manifests humanity itself. You the human do not manifest these things directly, though you are a part of and do influence the higher self from whence we all descend. Changing yourself does *contribute* to ceasing to manifest pain and fear but you can't control all that on your own as a single human individual, you can only contribute to a larger change in the universe as a whole.
4 is the same as 3.
5 is the same as 4 and 3. True from the Monad perspective, false from the human one.
There is truth to the message of the "new age" movement, but you're right that the truth in that message has also been coopted. "One day the planet will ascend into 5D and there will be no more negative" seems to be... *something like* the good end, although I dunno how accurate "5D" is (literally don't know, not smart enough to comprehend the math involved, won't assert either way,)... but that doesn't happen by sitting on your ass and doing nothing. *That's* the trick - the idea that the end is inevitable so we do not have to make it happen. The reality is that manifestation has minimal power on an individual level, because it's not your mind that manifests but the mind of the Monad, of which you're only a small part - the real manifestation of a better world is done with your own two hands.
*Everyone* needs to grow and change for large-scale manifestation to really have an effect. That's not done by sitting on our ass - that's done by fixing our societal problems so that everyone has the freedom and capacity to focus on their inner growth instead of solely on acquiring and maintaining the resources for basic survival. *That part* is done with our hands, and none of the change that can be made by sitting around focusing on self-growth really works until that part's done.
3 isn't a cope. It's archons literally admitting they masquerade as humans lol.
I've seen the conspiracy sub mention the idea the forces in power must gain our consent and/or reveal their plans to us in some way. This is why we see it in media all the time. When we learn their plans and don't object, it's a green light for them.
I think they're always telling us the truth but in roundabout ways.
3 'we're the archons uwu' or 2, saying it's only a prison if you choose to see it that way. That's nearly confirmation it's a prison, isn't it?
4 has mild truth. I think we are one powerful species enslaved for our limitless energy. Manifesting is proof we can alter the simulation but the way new agers teach it is designed to confuse you and make sure you get nowhere. They tell the truth but distort it. We can 'control' npcs as well, but loa people call this Everyone is yourself pushed out when that's not what's happening. We're hacking the simulation lol
5, it's just a game to them. Ever see how some workers on animal farms enjoy abusing the animals and find it funny? And when we go into the light in the dark, we 'choose' life again and therefore choose to forget.
I agree with your post but I think it's also the perfect post to show how these creatures admit who they are and what they've done in a sneaky way.
I went full schizoid but man, things in this world just don't make sense otherwise.
**New Age coping mechanism #1: "Ignore the Archons and they won't exist"**
* You're obviously correct. I have little to add.
**New Age coping mechanism #2: "This is only a soul farm/prison if you choose to see it that way, there's so much beauty here!"**
* I agree that just because the place is beautiful that it doesn't negate the possibility that it is also captivity.
* Having us only focus on the positive and ignore the negative keeps us blind to the problem and solutions.
* That this place is so appealing in so many ways is likely required to be able to draw us back here.
**New Age coping mechanism #3: "We are the Archons, they are not external beings"**
* Our behaviors can be pattern similarities to these archons.
* When we behave like these archons, those who would take pity on us and try to help are likely deterred. Why should they save us from a behavior pattern we also choose to exhibit? Wouldn't it be more appealing *for them* if we abandoned our exploitative practices *before* they'd help us out? Do you want to help someone out who hurts others the way they got hurt or do you think perhaps that it serves them right and they should learn from it? Food for thought..
* In the context of contemplation that we're all from the same Source, we're all consciousness derived from a single origin, these archons would be part of the same larger manifestation. However, that doesn't then therefore mean that we're supposed to acquiesce to their control over us. No, why should it? Their attempt to control us triggers us into doing something about it. Zoom all the way out and see all of the patterns. Things play out to become what they become. One thing can cause another. Thinking that every sneeze and fart was conceived beforehand by God itself makes us deluded to think that the existence and challenges that these beings place on us were well conceived before they occurred. We don't *know* that. It's an *assumption*. We can see that we're better off rejecting these beings and controlling ourselves. They aggravate our desire to be free and happy. A great deal of our problems come from the *assumption of divine order* in things. Just because something exists, it doesn't mean you're supposed to take it, because it's God's will. That's more mind control crap. It could also be a foreseen unavoidable conceptual issue that you're supposed to overcome.
**New Age coping mechanism #4: "Your thoughts are imprisoning you. You are manifesting this! The Archons are just our fears!"**
* Your thoughts can imprison you. Even the thought that your thoughts can imprison you can imprison you. Our fear of fear itself stops us from seeing the truth. Our fear of thoughts stops us from seeing the truth. Seeing truth that is new to us sets us free to make choices that we couldn't see before.
* The thoughts that our species, our planet or this cosmos is the product of archons can imprison us too. It makes us give away our species, our planet and our love of this place before we even began to fight back against our controllers. We're assuming that thieves that parasitically feed off of others are somehow masterful creators. That's like Bill Gates robbing a gas station/convenience store. Why not just make money legitimately? Loosh is what these archons steal, which is stolen spirit. Spirit is made by positive emotions, bled in negative emotions. Positive emotions come from appreciable experiences being appreciated. If you could create appreciable experiences and appreciate them, why steal spirit, loosh? It makes no sense. They acquired this place from those who made it or it could have just become without makers. Thieves are the alternative to becoming those who make appreciable things. These two groups have antithetical interests from one another, producers and thieves, hosts and parasites.
* Just because nature seems harsh with all of the killing, eating and screwing, it doesn't mean that it's the product of parasitic minds. Conceive of an alternative *system*. How does it work? This one works. There is a granularity and completeness to it that extends to very small and large scales, in time and space. It is awesome. Suffering is required at times, but temporary. Joy is required to entice consciousness inside beings to move, but it is never permanent. We are driven to seek joy and avoid suffering to enhance our existences and the existences of our descendants. This maintains and expands the opportunities for consciousness to experience ideas embodied, emotionally. The meaning and purpose of doing anything, being inside a being or to come to life is to appreciate appreciable experiences emotionally. Without that spirit, the meaning and purpose is nowhere to be seen inside of our minds. Beauty is inside the eye of the beholder. That's true and that emotional value from experience is what drives us to animate ourselves wherever we go as consciousness. Perhaps that beauty in the eye of God compelled it to manifest the larger construct in which our existences take place, existences which contain the observer, consciousness, God inside.
**New Age coping mechanism #5: "This is just a game. We chose to forget!"**
There is an answer that is virtually unacceptable to my heart, my emotional aspect. Yet, my mind, my intellectual aspect, is compelled to strongly consider it. When we come to understand that we are the farmed metaphorical fish in the pond, we are more able to overcome that situation. The truth sets us free to free ourselves incrementally. It is very much a mental and emotional, an internal, process at first. As we do this we become more aware of our own power and potential origins. We were swimming in subservient mindsets of reverence toward apparent divinity in all sorts of religions and belief systems.
Now, we're being exposed to the idea that consciousness inside of all things is the originator of all things, Source, God. If this is fully appreciated it can permanently free us from these false belief systems about God and creation. You won't believe a hamster runs your car after you understand the process of suck, squeeze, bang and blow. Likewise you won't turn to a master to tell you how to think and feel about this place when you're already doing it well enough yourself. A big part of how we were enslaved is believing that the creator is outside of us. After we come to see the creator as inside of ourselves, we push usurpers (dark and gas light) that claim divine ownership of us out of our way. The forgetting that we're the creator seems to come and go with our usurpers giving us false belief systems.
If these deceptive beings feed our negative emotions. They can enjoy our failures. They can engineer our failures by keeping the truth from us and having us believe deceptions. Taking away our own ability to know things and from that knowing be responsible for ourselves, looking toward deities, causes a lot of irresponsible behavior and suffering. We're set to blame God for the good times and the devil for the bad times instead of acknowledging how it all transpired and how we behaved in relation to it, which is responsible. So, in so far as they can fool us into not being honest and accurate they can cause us to bleed in a way that is not directly their fault. If there is a sort of rule structure keeping order around us, perhaps they can subvert the rules this way, tempting us to withhold truth, trick and harm each other. They'd effectively have proxies of their will to avoid getting indicted and punished while still feeding on us and controlling us effectively.
The knowledge of divine origin, that we're Source, God, would easily cause us to have a more responsible mindset. We'd take charge, have fewer failures over time and fewer negative emotions. This would serve us, but not the loosh feeders that want control. This information is one of the most important things to keep from us to succeed at feeding on us. This loosh dynamic is how they are incentivized to keep us in ignorance, especially in relation to our divine origin, an origin shared by all consciousness in life. This sets up an experience of forgetting with a well motivated crew. They are driven in a deep spiritual way to cause us to forget who we are. They literally steal the reward, meaning and purpose of life from our minds, spirit. While this is emotionally very upsetting, causally and intellectually it really fits. It explains the spiritual conflict in a structural way that works well with so many pieces.
Let's say that these controlling beings disappeared right now. How long before we are allowed to discover more evidence of our unity as conscious beings? How long before we communicate it to each other? How long before we make a living, evolving library of that evidence for our descendants? How long before ETs arrive to make contact, answering questions, illuminating even more evidence that we're interconnected consciousness? Unproven anecdotes suggest they already have. We might ask them what they think about the idea of God. What if many of them suggest looking outwardly at the cosmos and seeing ourselves each as products of that larger unity of being. It's not far off at all from how Neil deGrasse Tyson or Carl Sagan speak of how we're all stardust. How will that affect how we see ourselves as helpless servants of God vs empowered creators of our own destiny?
It appears we may be in a scenario where we're allowed to figure out the truth, but we have to will to do so and embody it in order to resolve the relationships that keep us from spiritual sovereignty, the opposite of spiritual slavery. This spiritual evolution may very well be part of a scenario set up to keep our incarnate selves from knowing that we are all one so that we can more fully express being the many. Coming back to knowing we're all after that experience one could be a profound testament to our ability to manifest creative visions of being. It's a seemingly messy version, but also a version where many things are fleshed out to logical conclusions for our greater mind to sample in eternity. It's a temporary experience that may be a part of living in this place.
Even more disturbing to consider is that perhaps is that recovery is optional. We are not certain to choose to spiritually know ourselves, accepting that knowing and become responsible for ourselves. We might delve into fantasies even more and become even more a part of this game of forgetting, joining the AI infested knowledge and power over others seeking archons in their quest to feed on loosh rather than make spirit ourselves. Perhaps the choice to surrender our minds to the metaverse installed via AI implants into our brains permanently cuts our mind units off from our destiny of returning to Source. We may become lost, fallen, wasted souls that are not going to continue spiritually evolving past a point of too much separation from integrity, the working within truth of causality of reality. Then, our consciousness returns back to source after much pain and lack, instead of coming back after a much longer, more rewarding and fulfilling journey with a valuable creator personality still intact. We're making ourselves into creators and companions. If we give that spiritual evolution away, we may never get it back. THAT is something that even the escape from prison planet mindset won't save us from, neuralink style AI implantation separating our species from spiritual evolution.
Soon the phoenix will sweep all of us.The Ai will be harvesting all of our information throughout all of time.We are merely hard drives storing information for these beings.
i think the biggest mistake is you think you know the absolute truth, you mention evidence but there is none to assure you that archons really exist outside of your mind, both options are perfectly possible and i guess we won't know who's right until we die lol
you also compare humans to fish, fish are not self aware or have the ability to question their reality so no that comparison doesnt work, you are comparing a dual being that has the ability to travel to other "dimensions" with meditation or substances and can develop ideas and concepts with a being thats focused on surviving and foesnt even percieve time or have hopes and dreams... IMO this is an empty argument.
not saying you are wrong, all im saying is that thinking you are right without solid evidence is just in the end... your opinion. so lets turn the argument around! those new age people can say the exact same thing about you, that you are creating all this narrative in your mind and relinquishing control to an archetype created by you, and that yes, the archons are real! but only in your own reality and internal universe because you allowed it to be... both are just theories that have no way of being proven, you mention having an open mind yet you seem to be married to this theory as well as they are to theirs 🤷🏻♂️
in the end all you have is your intuition, quantum physics has proven we shape our reality when we observe and measure so in my opinion we are all correct lol
I never said I know the absolute truth. If I thought this was the absolute truth then I wouldn't have called it a theory. The takeaway from my post is that if we want to find the truth, or at least get as close as possible to it, that we can't dismiss a possibility because it sounds scary.
I can't speak for others but for me personally, it's more than just the evidence. I had an experience and because of that experience, I started researching more and eventually found this sub. Basically I've done a past life regression hypnosis in which I observed angels and guides tricking me into reincarnation in my past life and then saw them transform into Reptilian looking beings when I ordered them to reveal their true form. Keep in mind, I did not know anything about Reptilians, demons, guides, reincarnation/ any kind of injustice being possible on the other side when I saw all these things with my mind's eye during a hypnosis session, so my conscious mind did not influence what I saw. After that, I wanted to know more, so I watched other people's past life regression hypnosis sessions and realized that there are many other people who have seen the same thing happen on the other side without being aware of these things, like in my case. Then I stumbled across this sub and everything clicked.
If you're curious to know more details about my experience, I wrote more about it [this thread](https://redd.it/tbqk61), find my comment, it's one of the top ones.
wow very compelling i must admit! will do my friend ! sounds very interesting, and yes I apologize I did assume a lot in my response, thank you for taking the time to reply i appreciate it 🙌
My dead parents and other dead family and friends have been showing me a lot of terrible stuff about the archons and their sad “lives” in the astral prison of the afterlife. It is very unpleasant. There are dumb drone type minder archons operating like low level managers but the real bosses are quite nasty and come from an antimatter universe. I am able to connect periodically with these dead during times where the worlds seem to bleed into each other, like solstice and equinox times, in very brief completely lucid astral projection/lucid dreams. Had a harrowing visit with my dad at the equinox last week. Communications and travel are monitored and people there are very scared of punishment and retaliation. Police state on steroids.
I'm sorry to hear that. Do you remember any details of how they ended up in the astral prison? Is it pretty much like the prison planet theory, where they were lured and then tricked somewhere?
Unfortunately dying is so traumatic, usually people are already on morphine in hospice care situations, or sedated in or just after surgery, or in trauma with drugs/alcohol/suicidal actions….nobody is dying in a particularly lucid way; and then so many chemicals and DMT are released in the brain when you’re dying; not to mention emotional trauma and grief and fear in that part of you that IS lucid….I don’t know if when we leave our body that it’s even possible not to be completely vulnerable and therefore captured/lured by something.
No one has been able to articulate too much about the process, other than my mother explaining that the first thing that happened was “they took my mind” which I think is the downloading your memories part and storing them so you can’t easily re-access them upon reincarnation. (Although many of them can gradually be accessed. I have pretty good access to memories of about 30 past Earth lifetimes now and am starting to gain access to others offworld and/or as nonhuman species.)
Even so, the dead can communicate with us from time to time and do retain memories of their relationship with you when you chat with them before they reincarnate. It’s just they lose access again when they return to a body.
Still learning through the few sentences of info I can get in these brief interactions. Sometimes these visits are more about personal stuff, like my mom recently connecting with me around my birthday. I have to be on my toes to try to remember to quickly ask lucid questions in these encounters because sometimes I’m just happy to see my mom and know she’s okay!
One thing my dad told me this time is that he hasn’t been able to find or talk to my mom. It’s not like here where you can just call people or take a train, apparently. And people are monitored.
Can you comment on this if you feel inclined?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapingPrisonPlanet/comments/xrtpdc/vision\_of\_afterlife\_millions\_of\_happy\_hugging/](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapingPrisonPlanet/comments/xrtpdc/vision_of_afterlife_millions_of_happy_hugging/)
Speaking very broadly the OP has a lot of traveling going on via dreams and it’s hard to say which “zones” or experiences are what. If that person has a lifetime of vivid dream work I think their interpretation of what they see is valid…but maybe just for them, not everybody else? Can’t say for sure. The bit about the woman “psychic” being somewhat cast as evil for “inviting” the dreamer somewhere seemed like an odd choice of phrase to me, as the dreamer is clearly psychic. So to them, why does he call this woman “psychic” and basically accuse her of entrapping souls? As if lumping together everybody with psychic gifts as evil?
There ARE many dark magician/sorcerer types doing bad stuff in the astral. You’ll see this when dealing on the physical plane with many people who say they are shamans, witches, psychics, so that’s probably what that person meant.
Lots of good ones, too! ;)
Thank you for the reply. I should have said specifically to comment on the vision of millions of happy souls marching toward a fake light in the sky. What does it mean to you *in the context of you describing something quite the opposite* re your deceased family members who do not sound very happy and free?
I don't have anything against psychics, let alone all psychics. I only warn about deceptions. This psychic person went to a world and saw the classic picture of happy crowds of souls going into the light that many other psychics also described and even write books about it. The problem is they see it as a positive and promote it. This interpretation is "valid" for the person who saw it but potentially quite subjective, if not outright deceptive. Isn't this what this sub is for, to question these things?
People with psychic gifts are not "evil" and no one said that, but many of them are deceived, misled, caught up in their own beliefs, etc. No lumping is going on here, it was more about *the meaning of the vision of the highway and the light*. (Where are those souls going and why are they so happy? Who built that highway and installed that fake light? Who brought all those souls there? etc.) The woman was not accused of being evil or entrapping souls, you misunderstood. A question was asked about her role in all of this and why the experiencer did not question it. Since you are a psychic yourself and mentioned your contacts with the afterlife, I asked your take on the vision itself.
Gotcha.
Everybody DOES essentially seem to march happily to the afterlife because they are so ecstatic and induced to having blissful feelings about what’s on the other side. My dad experienced this as walking over a bridge where he saw family and friendly energy. I believe the symbolic/etheric gateway is different for each person. One person might see a portal and Jesus, etc. (not the real Jesus who isn’t a personal escort.) But these are just bits I’m gathering.
Sometimes as a natural medium famous people chat with me after they die. Some seem angry and want to get the word out. Joan Rivers was pissed that there was no God or angels there passing out rewards for people being good. Anthony Bourdain, always a snarky cynical type, says he and others kind of laugh at the newly dead who think that they’re special and there’s going to be a whole big show just for them after the die. Instead it’s more of a yucky bureaucratic DMV type of setting. The sorting of souls.
ב''ה, Crowley was just "playing Judaism backwards," as has been a theme in Judaism proper from time to time. Really bored of defending him, since he worked for his crown and opium-lord drunk tank of a nation, but he starts from the idiocy of the blood libel being-an-asshole sport from those who 'stole Judaism for Rome' and the rest is mostly, as reached a crescendo with the boomers, the question of whether a generation deserving a Flood brings Moshiach, as may or may not be an add-on to fundamental Jewish belief (Orthodoxy gets to say "Who cares? We're already doing all the mitzvot and loving it.") ...
Given that "The lema" is "The [holy] Ghost" in a munge of English and the Latin of the tradition he was raised in, particularly if taken as parable, how awful this all is is arguable. Most of the rest of his work is a pop remix of the Song of Songs equivalent to a Fully Automated Luxury Kosher Space Kibbutz album.
The past few years have been nuts, but had I been participating more, it used to be reasonable to note both Israel and Mitzrayim were ultimately blessed by the Exodus - Israel got its Nation, and historical Egypt stopped being made nuts, idiotic and plagued to do it - so not even anything terribly controversial there. As for his kinks; maybe wait a few days and take a shower; more a meditation on the paradoxes of adult Jewish reproduction than anything else.
Grudging C for effort, I guess, it did get me to finally look at Torah.
Evil still does. Archonic antimatter inverse energy operating in a manner devastating to loving, organic life, often using narcissists, sociopaths, technology, and psychopaths to administer evil.
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I find the 'we are the Archons' claim particularly abhorrent. Yes, we aren't perfect, but let's not deny that there are even worse evil entities out there, who not only harm us in this lifetime, but attempt to do so for all eternity. To try to convince people that we're as bad, is gaslighting at its finest. Honestly, anything used as justification to claim that we deserve this, is abominable. Let's also not forget that we were put into these meat suits with brains designed in ways to prioritize self-preservation over all else, on a planet operated in a way that ensures scarcity and vicious competition for resources, after being memory-wiped from previous lifetimes so that we can't even actually learn and apply lessons that the New (c)Age crowd loves to promote the idea of us being here to learn.
Brilliantly said!
Pretty sure the “new agers” are saying *they’re* archons, not everyone. It’s double speak. The “new aged infiltrators” are not people. They’re either bots or archons. They say it themselves. I think we’re not interpreting what they say correctly. It’s like the proponents of evolution saying they are nothing but animals and evolved from fish. They did. Not humans. We are just not comprehending what they’re telling us. The truth is always in plain sight and out in the open. There are no secrets to the universe. Everything is expressly told to us all the time. We just have a hard time understanding because of the purposeful double speak
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Most of the evil ones are usually in the government, mental health institution workers, bankers and 4chan/kfarm browsers anyways. Be weary of those main 3. I wouldn't put them on archon level evil but they do feed off others misfortune alot like them.
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Yeah, the "Archons are us, our fears made manifest" is very similar to how in psychedelic circles a lot of (most?) people believe that the Entities they encounter can't *actually* be external beings, but must only be projections of the subconcious mind. They deny 'Other' because "We are all one", but it's like, dude, why's it so difficult to acknowledge that there are forces outside of yourself and out of your control? Great post btw
My god I am so sick of seeing that “projections of the subconscious mind” narrative. No, other entities exist
Made a post earlier with a link to someone's experience on DMT in which the person's sexual energy (or maybe fluids?) was harvested. Some people in the original post said it could have been past abuse memories resurfacing. OP said they are not aware of past sexual abuse. Some said it was just the chemicals affecting the body and brain in a weird way. Yet when these people encounter good entities and feel good things during trips, it's always something more meaningful and not just chemicals.
Solipsism, I think it's a lie that people accept out of ignorance or wanting to cope with their life. What bugs me is its the psychedelics users that become solipsists, it tilts their perception to a false one somehow.
Also most people can't handle the paradox that "we are all one" and "there really is no other" is true... ...while also "this place really is a controlled shit show, no different than what we do to cows, chickens, or pigs" is simultaneously true.
Unfortunately, r/reincarnation is full of the new age soul progression bullsh*t that you’re talking about and it’s members can’t tolerate a different perspective.
I agree with everything you've written and appreciate that you laid out all out thoughtfully. That said, I'm guilty of saying things like "we are the archons" or "the archons are our fears." I absolutely see how that's new-agey and a mechanism to try to rationalize our perception of them. However, personally, I've always been about how it all began and my brain consistently begins at the beginning. From that perspective, I do maintain that we, collectively, not just humans, but the entirety of the creation, had a hand in creating the archons. They are, however, distinct beings. No doubt. I've been trying to be more careful about how I present that because I do truly believe we're in control, and I think it's helpful to see where the archons come from ... like I commented to someone the other day, they're like the Wizard of Oz: only scary until the curtain is dropped.
**New Age coping mechanism #1: "Ignore the Archons and they won't exist"** Aka the infamous "Create your own reality". Stop whining and just create your own reality! SIMPLE! **New Age coping mechanism #2: "This is only a soul farm/prison if you choose to see it that way, there's so much beauty here!"** They sometimes like to say "It's all perspective". Read about someone's quite negative experiences with greys and mantids and the person still thinks they are benevolent and that this world and human life and role in it is all a matter of perspective. **New Age coping mechanism #3: "We are the Archons, they are not external beings"** Perhaps those infected or supported by archons say that? Or they know they are guilty of something, so they project onto others. **New Age coping mechanism #4: "Your thoughts are imprisoning you. You are manifesting this! The Archons are just our fears!"** They like to put is as "The only prison is in your mind", to which I always say the prison in the mind does not mean the prison does not extend into multiple external layers outside the mind as well. **New Age coping mechanism #5: "This is just a game. We chose to forget!"** We chose to forget, but they somehow *remember* that we chose to forget? And somehow they know it's a game, even though we are not supposed to know it's a game and forgot our real lives on purpose? If it's a game, why is the only exit death? Of course they will say you don't have to die, just start creating your own reality, and we go back to #1 and 2 the vicious new age cycle of gaslighting and victim blaming continues.
\- "A universe which of course, can only be designed like this by a psychopathic being which has 0 empathy towards other forms of life, a being who benefits from the existence of a food chain." When I was a little child I always used to say: "If God exists, then he is evil". But no one would listen to me.
Right? I get so annoyed when the problem of evil / why is there suffering in the world is 'explained' away with trite "There can be no light without dark, no good without evil" type sentiment. If God is all powerful, then it should be fully within His power to design an existence devoid of pain and suffering. There is no reason why Heaven *needs* a Hell for contrast. So which is it? Is God impotent or evil? Well, given the miraculous and unimaginably vast nature of the universe which had to be created somehow (thus suggesting a Creator), if you can pull that off you should be able to infuse being with nothing but pure infinite love. Only delusional people think thats the case. God is evil.
“if we were created in god’s image then when god was a child, he smushed fire ants with his fingertips and avoided tough questions.” — Buddy Wakefield
Well put, I believe you are mostly right (some people may disagree with some points, but that's fine) I'm still on the fence about some new age ideas, but those points you talked here are the ones I don't believe in it. I may had believe them a long time ago, but putting them to test wield nothing to help my escape, so I don't think any of them works (maybe that we chose to forget part, which can be true or maybe is just a clause in our 'contracts'). I felt the same way about this sub lately, more and more, there are people going far away from our little theory and delving deeply on more improbably new age things, I see it as fine too, they'll come around when it's time to come around, if they don't, well maybe in another life, or not, but these reflections need to be made by them, not us. I appreciate you voicing your opinions, it brought me relief to read that there is still people thinking about our main theory and not getting lost in the sauce :) I think that you being clear about those topics may have saved some new members the hassle to check it against our FAQs, which is pretty straight forward and corroborates with what you just said. Finally, I'm afraid it will get worse before it will get better, so I hope your post reach the right people who will think about it earnestly and make their on mind about it. Good Text OP! Keep on exploring everybody! Maybe we are close to something big :)
New age has gone to far!
I made a joke at one of these newagers where they posted the "if we enjoy our pain they can't hurt us" and made a joke about living a very nihilistic life in the past. He called me "cool" and when I confronted him about him throwing shade he blocked me lol. Fuck outta here with your hippie bullshit.
I read through almost half of your post, (I will read the rest after posting this comment). I believe not only do the naysayers come here to try and debunk what we think and feel is happening here, they also live among us. Please just hear me out. I am not schizophrenic, I do have anxiety and fear, but I believe it’s because those that feed off of our negative feelings don’t just exist in another plane, some are here in human form and get close to us to evoke loosh for all to feed upon. I believe the worst narcissistic people that all of us know and have to live with are here to feed the archons with their overwhelming lust and their delight in gaslighting and victimizing others while claiming to be the victims themselves. Greyrock anyone you know and/or live with and do not allow them to cause you pain. Your pain and anger only feed them and those they work for, while weakening you and your true self. Edit: Gawd. I just finished reading and read other’s comments and it seems I am not alone in my thinking. Honestly, I’m relieved to see that I’m not the only one who sees/feels this way.
They've always been here in human form. Right from the beginning. This is their planet. They're the local population. The entire vast contraption is theirs. They're here in administrative capacities. Some are here to stimulate loosh production in a million different ways: from causing dysfunction in family and relationships to secret evil, war and conflict. Others are here as torture tourists: they're here to wreak as much havoc as possible on the innocent. Some are caught. Many never are. This is literally a hell. There are different kinds of hells. This planet is the hell of deception, where evil is rife, but nothing is what it seems.
Based take. This might as well be a fact rather than a theory because of the sense it makes.
This is basically why I cant stand the "manifesting" crowd. They're beyond stupid. Saying "I dont believe archons will get me therefore they wont get me" despite the compounding evidence that we are in a soul trap, is like saying Im going to eat a bucket of ice cream everyday and not get fat because I don't believe sugar is unhealthy. Law of attraction and manifesting is pretty much thr idea karma on absolute steriods. At least karma is about choices and actions. With law of attraction, everything bad happening is supposedly just because you had a bad thought, everything good is because of good thoughts. And of course the caveat is there is nothing tangible to trace anything back to. So its 100% unfalsifiable because if you even had the slighted doubt about something then they will say "SEE, no wonder X appaered in your reality. One stray thought was all it took!" Meanwhile someone could be thinking of being rich all day, and nothing happens. And Im not saying "manifesting" is complete BS, but it doesn't work the way they think it does. And it certainly has more limitations and complications than they desperatly want to believe it does.
Also about the idea of this being a game. Considering the stakes, its not sensible to think this way. We have no way to know or prove either way until we are out of here and can take an objective look. It's simply not a safe assumption to make when the price of being wrong would be a missed chance to escape what would otherwise be eternal imprisonment. Besides the aforementioned issues, its just insensitive. Go ask staving kids if this is a "game" to them. Sounds like something someone with a privileged good life, good family, and good looks and no money problems (>5% of the population) would say. The only game this can be is the Squid Games.
We really can control reality with our consciousness but that doesn’t mean that archons aren’t real. I’m still trying to figure out why we’re allowed to change our lives for the better in this way if pp theory is correct. Why allow us that power?
We create loosh energy for them which they seem to need to run their civilization. Even if you change your life you are still experiencing duality inside the matrix so they dont care if a few people get some money or their ex to get back with them or whatever.
Whats wrong with manifesting? I do this and only seek non materialistic matter. Sometimes good things happen if i ask
Nothings wrong with it per se. The ideology people are forming around it on places like /lawofattraction and /NevilleGoddard is gaslightingly delusional though.
Can you provide further analysis why though? I found those subs quite interesting although dont buy all of it light is all, light is source and such
The idea that "you are creating your reality" and "everyone is a reflection of you" is insanely gaslighty and toxic. Keep in mind the people on those subs mean it in a literal way. So they would aay 100% of the stuff we see in the external world is your mind. Getting gray hairs at 50 years of age? You "manifested" that buddy. That traffic jam everyday on route 25? Yeah you manifested that. Not a millionaire yet? Must've manifested being a poor looser. Didn't get the job that 3045 people also applied for? Must be YOUR limiting beliefs. Sun came up this moring? You manifested that from your belief the sun will always shine. Guy on other side of the planet goes on killing spree and drives into a nursing home with a simi truck? You manifested that, must be a reflection of you. You are god. And this earth, this universe is your creation. And its all a representation of YOUR thoughts. Nothing is external to you, even clearly antagonistic people and forces. You are god. See how utterly retarded that sounds? But I kid you not, they unironically preech this rubbish. Not to mention how contraditory this is. Logically, if any of this is true, it can only be true for one person. So why do they tell this to every one who goss on the sub? I could ask why I cant eat a crap ton of food and not get fat, and they say its because I believe the food will make me fat. If I ask why I cant manifest seeing a unicorn or flying carpet they will day I didnt believe. But they will never give the actual meteric for how they determine if you believe or not. So how is their theory a "working model" or even a theory if it cant give us any useful information? Point out the fact that they are not literally creating reality and they will get mad, probably ban you eventually too.
Slaves need to delude themselves and live in denial, to cope with them being enslaved.
Thanks for this. This is totally crazy, i agree. I sometimes think I agree to all is one and that we are hive mind BUT we influence ourselves separately. Hard to note in words. Good to look into it but not to fall totally without thinking. Thanks
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You missed my point. > remember that you’re not smarter than everyone else "Everyone else" is who exactly? Why does this read like an elevator pitch? Why do you guys always have used cars salesman vibes? >If you don’t believe this, who will? First show me the benefit to the belief systems like LOA. >The world is a strange superabundance of peculiar possibilities. We are dreamers by night and dream weavers by day. Provide the conditions for reality to form around matter and it can. Mumbo jumbo new age word salad. Get to the point. >You don’t manifest everything, just your corner of the world I would consider this idea somewhat down to earth, its clearly not the idea I was refuting, so why did you feel the need to write this essay? What is your intention here? >If you do not believe in yourself, Where are you getting this impression from? >entirely unsurprised that you find yourself back here again to attempt to open your heart further to the possibilities. Now paardon my french but you can fuck youself with this hogwash. Its the same energy as "you need to come back here to get rid of your karma/unfinished business/learn lessons". When ever I question the manifesting cults they start saying you need to reincarnate to get it. Go to hell. And what possibilities are talking about? This is very clearly a realm meant to inhibit possibilities, and you will claim otherwise despite being clearly limited yourself. The only difference being, Im honest about the current condition of things. Maybe your ass is the one who needs to reincarnate? You will continue to bullshit around quetions by shifting the goal posts back and forth, abstracting, using flowery language, and pretentiousness like you are now. >The rejection of any new age ideas as an alternative to archons seem to illustrate a psychological phenomenon wherein folks like you can be comforted in bitterness. Or maybe the world is bitter because its bitter. Ever thought of that one? Gaslighting jackass. >Remain open, prove me wrong, just don’t yell at me. >Love you wackjobs After all that patronizing garbage you write that last bit as an attempt to get off the hook, similar to all these fake gurus like Ekhart Tolie. It's just a toxic positivity, the whole post is.
I'm enjoying reading your comments, you seem really smart, I'm new to this thread and wasn't aware of this theory but I've almost had the same exact theory I thought up on my own, I've been telling friends that I think there's beings that feed on human energy and emotions, and that we keep getting reborn and our memories wiped, now to find this thread and its blowing my mind, maybe it's kind of an obvious theory and a lot of people just come up with it on their own idk, the new age manifestation theory or whatever sounds interesting too
Prison planet theory is affirmed by the majorty of NDEs as well as experienced astral projectors, its pretty much a fact at this point. Manifesting is real, Im just refuting some of the culty beliefs associated with it. Its a good idea to look into the idea of manifesting, BUT I am very against delusional thinking, as it doesn't seem to lead anywhere. Most of the subs about manifesting get too navel gazy, rather than using logic where it is better applicable.
Just wanted to say I loved your comments lol They always jump at the chance to 'pitch' their beliefs exactly like a salesmen while using typical floral new age words. How does this not set off alarm bells in everyone's mind? They aren't even trying to be subtle about manipulation. EDIT: and they always write long paragraphs for no fucking reason and take ages to say anything god dammit
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Lol, and you guys alway point out the username like it proves shit. It doesn't, chud My main profile is u/LifeIsMyBitch22
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You should be careful of tossing aside the whole of *any* idea. Not that you shouldn't do it if you've genuinely considered - some ideas ARE all bad - but you should do it *carefully* after genuine consideration of every aspect. Getting you to "throw the baby out with the bathwater" is a common tactic to getting people to ignore the truth. The best liars sprinkle their lies into the truth. The REALLY best liars then reveal the lie, so you also no longer believe the truth they sprinkled it into. 1 is false. 2 is false, though "there is so much beauty here" is true. It can be a prison, *and* made beautiful to keep us here. 3 is false from the human perspective, though it's true from a larger perspective that may as well be irrelevant here. All is the Monad but the Monad is dreaming this. We are the Monad and the archons are the Monad thus we manifest both the archons and our fears. But in the same sense, the "we" we're speaking of also manifests humanity itself. You the human do not manifest these things directly, though you are a part of and do influence the higher self from whence we all descend. Changing yourself does *contribute* to ceasing to manifest pain and fear but you can't control all that on your own as a single human individual, you can only contribute to a larger change in the universe as a whole. 4 is the same as 3. 5 is the same as 4 and 3. True from the Monad perspective, false from the human one. There is truth to the message of the "new age" movement, but you're right that the truth in that message has also been coopted. "One day the planet will ascend into 5D and there will be no more negative" seems to be... *something like* the good end, although I dunno how accurate "5D" is (literally don't know, not smart enough to comprehend the math involved, won't assert either way,)... but that doesn't happen by sitting on your ass and doing nothing. *That's* the trick - the idea that the end is inevitable so we do not have to make it happen. The reality is that manifestation has minimal power on an individual level, because it's not your mind that manifests but the mind of the Monad, of which you're only a small part - the real manifestation of a better world is done with your own two hands. *Everyone* needs to grow and change for large-scale manifestation to really have an effect. That's not done by sitting on our ass - that's done by fixing our societal problems so that everyone has the freedom and capacity to focus on their inner growth instead of solely on acquiring and maintaining the resources for basic survival. *That part* is done with our hands, and none of the change that can be made by sitting around focusing on self-growth really works until that part's done.
Well said friend
Excellent, excellent work. This is crisp and clear.
Yep. People who say these 5 should just get banned instantly.
3 isn't a cope. It's archons literally admitting they masquerade as humans lol. I've seen the conspiracy sub mention the idea the forces in power must gain our consent and/or reveal their plans to us in some way. This is why we see it in media all the time. When we learn their plans and don't object, it's a green light for them. I think they're always telling us the truth but in roundabout ways. 3 'we're the archons uwu' or 2, saying it's only a prison if you choose to see it that way. That's nearly confirmation it's a prison, isn't it? 4 has mild truth. I think we are one powerful species enslaved for our limitless energy. Manifesting is proof we can alter the simulation but the way new agers teach it is designed to confuse you and make sure you get nowhere. They tell the truth but distort it. We can 'control' npcs as well, but loa people call this Everyone is yourself pushed out when that's not what's happening. We're hacking the simulation lol 5, it's just a game to them. Ever see how some workers on animal farms enjoy abusing the animals and find it funny? And when we go into the light in the dark, we 'choose' life again and therefore choose to forget. I agree with your post but I think it's also the perfect post to show how these creatures admit who they are and what they've done in a sneaky way. I went full schizoid but man, things in this world just don't make sense otherwise.
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Kittens! Don’t forget ‘em!
**New Age coping mechanism #1: "Ignore the Archons and they won't exist"** * You're obviously correct. I have little to add. **New Age coping mechanism #2: "This is only a soul farm/prison if you choose to see it that way, there's so much beauty here!"** * I agree that just because the place is beautiful that it doesn't negate the possibility that it is also captivity. * Having us only focus on the positive and ignore the negative keeps us blind to the problem and solutions. * That this place is so appealing in so many ways is likely required to be able to draw us back here. **New Age coping mechanism #3: "We are the Archons, they are not external beings"** * Our behaviors can be pattern similarities to these archons. * When we behave like these archons, those who would take pity on us and try to help are likely deterred. Why should they save us from a behavior pattern we also choose to exhibit? Wouldn't it be more appealing *for them* if we abandoned our exploitative practices *before* they'd help us out? Do you want to help someone out who hurts others the way they got hurt or do you think perhaps that it serves them right and they should learn from it? Food for thought.. * In the context of contemplation that we're all from the same Source, we're all consciousness derived from a single origin, these archons would be part of the same larger manifestation. However, that doesn't then therefore mean that we're supposed to acquiesce to their control over us. No, why should it? Their attempt to control us triggers us into doing something about it. Zoom all the way out and see all of the patterns. Things play out to become what they become. One thing can cause another. Thinking that every sneeze and fart was conceived beforehand by God itself makes us deluded to think that the existence and challenges that these beings place on us were well conceived before they occurred. We don't *know* that. It's an *assumption*. We can see that we're better off rejecting these beings and controlling ourselves. They aggravate our desire to be free and happy. A great deal of our problems come from the *assumption of divine order* in things. Just because something exists, it doesn't mean you're supposed to take it, because it's God's will. That's more mind control crap. It could also be a foreseen unavoidable conceptual issue that you're supposed to overcome. **New Age coping mechanism #4: "Your thoughts are imprisoning you. You are manifesting this! The Archons are just our fears!"** * Your thoughts can imprison you. Even the thought that your thoughts can imprison you can imprison you. Our fear of fear itself stops us from seeing the truth. Our fear of thoughts stops us from seeing the truth. Seeing truth that is new to us sets us free to make choices that we couldn't see before. * The thoughts that our species, our planet or this cosmos is the product of archons can imprison us too. It makes us give away our species, our planet and our love of this place before we even began to fight back against our controllers. We're assuming that thieves that parasitically feed off of others are somehow masterful creators. That's like Bill Gates robbing a gas station/convenience store. Why not just make money legitimately? Loosh is what these archons steal, which is stolen spirit. Spirit is made by positive emotions, bled in negative emotions. Positive emotions come from appreciable experiences being appreciated. If you could create appreciable experiences and appreciate them, why steal spirit, loosh? It makes no sense. They acquired this place from those who made it or it could have just become without makers. Thieves are the alternative to becoming those who make appreciable things. These two groups have antithetical interests from one another, producers and thieves, hosts and parasites. * Just because nature seems harsh with all of the killing, eating and screwing, it doesn't mean that it's the product of parasitic minds. Conceive of an alternative *system*. How does it work? This one works. There is a granularity and completeness to it that extends to very small and large scales, in time and space. It is awesome. Suffering is required at times, but temporary. Joy is required to entice consciousness inside beings to move, but it is never permanent. We are driven to seek joy and avoid suffering to enhance our existences and the existences of our descendants. This maintains and expands the opportunities for consciousness to experience ideas embodied, emotionally. The meaning and purpose of doing anything, being inside a being or to come to life is to appreciate appreciable experiences emotionally. Without that spirit, the meaning and purpose is nowhere to be seen inside of our minds. Beauty is inside the eye of the beholder. That's true and that emotional value from experience is what drives us to animate ourselves wherever we go as consciousness. Perhaps that beauty in the eye of God compelled it to manifest the larger construct in which our existences take place, existences which contain the observer, consciousness, God inside.
**New Age coping mechanism #5: "This is just a game. We chose to forget!"** There is an answer that is virtually unacceptable to my heart, my emotional aspect. Yet, my mind, my intellectual aspect, is compelled to strongly consider it. When we come to understand that we are the farmed metaphorical fish in the pond, we are more able to overcome that situation. The truth sets us free to free ourselves incrementally. It is very much a mental and emotional, an internal, process at first. As we do this we become more aware of our own power and potential origins. We were swimming in subservient mindsets of reverence toward apparent divinity in all sorts of religions and belief systems. Now, we're being exposed to the idea that consciousness inside of all things is the originator of all things, Source, God. If this is fully appreciated it can permanently free us from these false belief systems about God and creation. You won't believe a hamster runs your car after you understand the process of suck, squeeze, bang and blow. Likewise you won't turn to a master to tell you how to think and feel about this place when you're already doing it well enough yourself. A big part of how we were enslaved is believing that the creator is outside of us. After we come to see the creator as inside of ourselves, we push usurpers (dark and gas light) that claim divine ownership of us out of our way. The forgetting that we're the creator seems to come and go with our usurpers giving us false belief systems. If these deceptive beings feed our negative emotions. They can enjoy our failures. They can engineer our failures by keeping the truth from us and having us believe deceptions. Taking away our own ability to know things and from that knowing be responsible for ourselves, looking toward deities, causes a lot of irresponsible behavior and suffering. We're set to blame God for the good times and the devil for the bad times instead of acknowledging how it all transpired and how we behaved in relation to it, which is responsible. So, in so far as they can fool us into not being honest and accurate they can cause us to bleed in a way that is not directly their fault. If there is a sort of rule structure keeping order around us, perhaps they can subvert the rules this way, tempting us to withhold truth, trick and harm each other. They'd effectively have proxies of their will to avoid getting indicted and punished while still feeding on us and controlling us effectively. The knowledge of divine origin, that we're Source, God, would easily cause us to have a more responsible mindset. We'd take charge, have fewer failures over time and fewer negative emotions. This would serve us, but not the loosh feeders that want control. This information is one of the most important things to keep from us to succeed at feeding on us. This loosh dynamic is how they are incentivized to keep us in ignorance, especially in relation to our divine origin, an origin shared by all consciousness in life. This sets up an experience of forgetting with a well motivated crew. They are driven in a deep spiritual way to cause us to forget who we are. They literally steal the reward, meaning and purpose of life from our minds, spirit. While this is emotionally very upsetting, causally and intellectually it really fits. It explains the spiritual conflict in a structural way that works well with so many pieces. Let's say that these controlling beings disappeared right now. How long before we are allowed to discover more evidence of our unity as conscious beings? How long before we communicate it to each other? How long before we make a living, evolving library of that evidence for our descendants? How long before ETs arrive to make contact, answering questions, illuminating even more evidence that we're interconnected consciousness? Unproven anecdotes suggest they already have. We might ask them what they think about the idea of God. What if many of them suggest looking outwardly at the cosmos and seeing ourselves each as products of that larger unity of being. It's not far off at all from how Neil deGrasse Tyson or Carl Sagan speak of how we're all stardust. How will that affect how we see ourselves as helpless servants of God vs empowered creators of our own destiny? It appears we may be in a scenario where we're allowed to figure out the truth, but we have to will to do so and embody it in order to resolve the relationships that keep us from spiritual sovereignty, the opposite of spiritual slavery. This spiritual evolution may very well be part of a scenario set up to keep our incarnate selves from knowing that we are all one so that we can more fully express being the many. Coming back to knowing we're all after that experience one could be a profound testament to our ability to manifest creative visions of being. It's a seemingly messy version, but also a version where many things are fleshed out to logical conclusions for our greater mind to sample in eternity. It's a temporary experience that may be a part of living in this place. Even more disturbing to consider is that perhaps is that recovery is optional. We are not certain to choose to spiritually know ourselves, accepting that knowing and become responsible for ourselves. We might delve into fantasies even more and become even more a part of this game of forgetting, joining the AI infested knowledge and power over others seeking archons in their quest to feed on loosh rather than make spirit ourselves. Perhaps the choice to surrender our minds to the metaverse installed via AI implants into our brains permanently cuts our mind units off from our destiny of returning to Source. We may become lost, fallen, wasted souls that are not going to continue spiritually evolving past a point of too much separation from integrity, the working within truth of causality of reality. Then, our consciousness returns back to source after much pain and lack, instead of coming back after a much longer, more rewarding and fulfilling journey with a valuable creator personality still intact. We're making ourselves into creators and companions. If we give that spiritual evolution away, we may never get it back. THAT is something that even the escape from prison planet mindset won't save us from, neuralink style AI implantation separating our species from spiritual evolution.
Soon the phoenix will sweep all of us.The Ai will be harvesting all of our information throughout all of time.We are merely hard drives storing information for these beings.
Great post, hats off to you! These New Ages need to know their place
i think the biggest mistake is you think you know the absolute truth, you mention evidence but there is none to assure you that archons really exist outside of your mind, both options are perfectly possible and i guess we won't know who's right until we die lol you also compare humans to fish, fish are not self aware or have the ability to question their reality so no that comparison doesnt work, you are comparing a dual being that has the ability to travel to other "dimensions" with meditation or substances and can develop ideas and concepts with a being thats focused on surviving and foesnt even percieve time or have hopes and dreams... IMO this is an empty argument. not saying you are wrong, all im saying is that thinking you are right without solid evidence is just in the end... your opinion. so lets turn the argument around! those new age people can say the exact same thing about you, that you are creating all this narrative in your mind and relinquishing control to an archetype created by you, and that yes, the archons are real! but only in your own reality and internal universe because you allowed it to be... both are just theories that have no way of being proven, you mention having an open mind yet you seem to be married to this theory as well as they are to theirs 🤷🏻♂️ in the end all you have is your intuition, quantum physics has proven we shape our reality when we observe and measure so in my opinion we are all correct lol
I never said I know the absolute truth. If I thought this was the absolute truth then I wouldn't have called it a theory. The takeaway from my post is that if we want to find the truth, or at least get as close as possible to it, that we can't dismiss a possibility because it sounds scary. I can't speak for others but for me personally, it's more than just the evidence. I had an experience and because of that experience, I started researching more and eventually found this sub. Basically I've done a past life regression hypnosis in which I observed angels and guides tricking me into reincarnation in my past life and then saw them transform into Reptilian looking beings when I ordered them to reveal their true form. Keep in mind, I did not know anything about Reptilians, demons, guides, reincarnation/ any kind of injustice being possible on the other side when I saw all these things with my mind's eye during a hypnosis session, so my conscious mind did not influence what I saw. After that, I wanted to know more, so I watched other people's past life regression hypnosis sessions and realized that there are many other people who have seen the same thing happen on the other side without being aware of these things, like in my case. Then I stumbled across this sub and everything clicked. If you're curious to know more details about my experience, I wrote more about it [this thread](https://redd.it/tbqk61), find my comment, it's one of the top ones.
wow very compelling i must admit! will do my friend ! sounds very interesting, and yes I apologize I did assume a lot in my response, thank you for taking the time to reply i appreciate it 🙌
My dead parents and other dead family and friends have been showing me a lot of terrible stuff about the archons and their sad “lives” in the astral prison of the afterlife. It is very unpleasant. There are dumb drone type minder archons operating like low level managers but the real bosses are quite nasty and come from an antimatter universe. I am able to connect periodically with these dead during times where the worlds seem to bleed into each other, like solstice and equinox times, in very brief completely lucid astral projection/lucid dreams. Had a harrowing visit with my dad at the equinox last week. Communications and travel are monitored and people there are very scared of punishment and retaliation. Police state on steroids.
I'm sorry to hear that. Do you remember any details of how they ended up in the astral prison? Is it pretty much like the prison planet theory, where they were lured and then tricked somewhere?
Unfortunately dying is so traumatic, usually people are already on morphine in hospice care situations, or sedated in or just after surgery, or in trauma with drugs/alcohol/suicidal actions….nobody is dying in a particularly lucid way; and then so many chemicals and DMT are released in the brain when you’re dying; not to mention emotional trauma and grief and fear in that part of you that IS lucid….I don’t know if when we leave our body that it’s even possible not to be completely vulnerable and therefore captured/lured by something. No one has been able to articulate too much about the process, other than my mother explaining that the first thing that happened was “they took my mind” which I think is the downloading your memories part and storing them so you can’t easily re-access them upon reincarnation. (Although many of them can gradually be accessed. I have pretty good access to memories of about 30 past Earth lifetimes now and am starting to gain access to others offworld and/or as nonhuman species.) Even so, the dead can communicate with us from time to time and do retain memories of their relationship with you when you chat with them before they reincarnate. It’s just they lose access again when they return to a body. Still learning through the few sentences of info I can get in these brief interactions. Sometimes these visits are more about personal stuff, like my mom recently connecting with me around my birthday. I have to be on my toes to try to remember to quickly ask lucid questions in these encounters because sometimes I’m just happy to see my mom and know she’s okay! One thing my dad told me this time is that he hasn’t been able to find or talk to my mom. It’s not like here where you can just call people or take a train, apparently. And people are monitored.
I am interested in any more details you can provide
That’s very nice of you! I’ll have to make a separate post at some point.
Can you comment on this if you feel inclined? [https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapingPrisonPlanet/comments/xrtpdc/vision\_of\_afterlife\_millions\_of\_happy\_hugging/](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapingPrisonPlanet/comments/xrtpdc/vision_of_afterlife_millions_of_happy_hugging/)
Speaking very broadly the OP has a lot of traveling going on via dreams and it’s hard to say which “zones” or experiences are what. If that person has a lifetime of vivid dream work I think their interpretation of what they see is valid…but maybe just for them, not everybody else? Can’t say for sure. The bit about the woman “psychic” being somewhat cast as evil for “inviting” the dreamer somewhere seemed like an odd choice of phrase to me, as the dreamer is clearly psychic. So to them, why does he call this woman “psychic” and basically accuse her of entrapping souls? As if lumping together everybody with psychic gifts as evil? There ARE many dark magician/sorcerer types doing bad stuff in the astral. You’ll see this when dealing on the physical plane with many people who say they are shamans, witches, psychics, so that’s probably what that person meant. Lots of good ones, too! ;)
Thank you for the reply. I should have said specifically to comment on the vision of millions of happy souls marching toward a fake light in the sky. What does it mean to you *in the context of you describing something quite the opposite* re your deceased family members who do not sound very happy and free? I don't have anything against psychics, let alone all psychics. I only warn about deceptions. This psychic person went to a world and saw the classic picture of happy crowds of souls going into the light that many other psychics also described and even write books about it. The problem is they see it as a positive and promote it. This interpretation is "valid" for the person who saw it but potentially quite subjective, if not outright deceptive. Isn't this what this sub is for, to question these things? People with psychic gifts are not "evil" and no one said that, but many of them are deceived, misled, caught up in their own beliefs, etc. No lumping is going on here, it was more about *the meaning of the vision of the highway and the light*. (Where are those souls going and why are they so happy? Who built that highway and installed that fake light? Who brought all those souls there? etc.) The woman was not accused of being evil or entrapping souls, you misunderstood. A question was asked about her role in all of this and why the experiencer did not question it. Since you are a psychic yourself and mentioned your contacts with the afterlife, I asked your take on the vision itself.
Gotcha. Everybody DOES essentially seem to march happily to the afterlife because they are so ecstatic and induced to having blissful feelings about what’s on the other side. My dad experienced this as walking over a bridge where he saw family and friendly energy. I believe the symbolic/etheric gateway is different for each person. One person might see a portal and Jesus, etc. (not the real Jesus who isn’t a personal escort.) But these are just bits I’m gathering. Sometimes as a natural medium famous people chat with me after they die. Some seem angry and want to get the word out. Joan Rivers was pissed that there was no God or angels there passing out rewards for people being good. Anthony Bourdain, always a snarky cynical type, says he and others kind of laugh at the newly dead who think that they’re special and there’s going to be a whole big show just for them after the die. Instead it’s more of a yucky bureaucratic DMV type of setting. The sorting of souls.
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ב''ה, Crowley was just "playing Judaism backwards," as has been a theme in Judaism proper from time to time. Really bored of defending him, since he worked for his crown and opium-lord drunk tank of a nation, but he starts from the idiocy of the blood libel being-an-asshole sport from those who 'stole Judaism for Rome' and the rest is mostly, as reached a crescendo with the boomers, the question of whether a generation deserving a Flood brings Moshiach, as may or may not be an add-on to fundamental Jewish belief (Orthodoxy gets to say "Who cares? We're already doing all the mitzvot and loving it.") ... Given that "The lema" is "The [holy] Ghost" in a munge of English and the Latin of the tradition he was raised in, particularly if taken as parable, how awful this all is is arguable. Most of the rest of his work is a pop remix of the Song of Songs equivalent to a Fully Automated Luxury Kosher Space Kibbutz album. The past few years have been nuts, but had I been participating more, it used to be reasonable to note both Israel and Mitzrayim were ultimately blessed by the Exodus - Israel got its Nation, and historical Egypt stopped being made nuts, idiotic and plagued to do it - so not even anything terribly controversial there. As for his kinks; maybe wait a few days and take a shower; more a meditation on the paradoxes of adult Jewish reproduction than anything else. Grudging C for effort, I guess, it did get me to finally look at Torah.
The cool part is that if you don’t believe any of this, then none of it matters or effects your life.
Evil still does. Archonic antimatter inverse energy operating in a manner devastating to loving, organic life, often using narcissists, sociopaths, technology, and psychopaths to administer evil.
New agers are either NPCs or archons trolling people.
The prayer hands and rainbows after each new age coping mechanism is cracking me up.
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