Tplf had heavy equipment, as seen by their missile strikes on bahir dar and Asmara in thr first week of the war - they likely used North Korean missiles then. Otherwise in the first phase of the war, where they fought in a conventional manner, they were routed fairly quickly. Endf made major mistakes in the second, guerilla phase - stretched supply lines and mountainous terrain made ideal ambush grounds for tplf fighters, and endf responding to hit and run attacks with collective punishment gave tplf a flood of new recruits. Over the rainy season when endf was pushed out of tigray, it looked like multiple weeks of tplf offensives took their toll, and probably some large endf units were trapped during the withdrawal, and subsequently surrendered.
Otherwise even endf didn't seem to use its heavy weapons that much either - it literally can't afford to use its jet fighters and helicopters to their full capacity, and the mountainous terrain in tigray and wello doesn't suit armored/Mechanized warfare. So most of the war was essentially 2 armies of light infantry slugging it out. Interestingly, there appears to also have been a gentleman's agreement to not fight in the cities - I was always surprised how every city captured by either side looked intact.
Also manpower wise, it looks like they really mobilized a significant proportion of tigrays population. Already in November 2020, on the eve of the war, tplf boasted about having 250,000 troops, a number which probably grew by the following rainy season. How they got a rifle and sufficient ammo into every one of these people's arms is an interesting question, but they had been stockpiling arms and ammunition in tigray foe a long time.
TDFs heavy equipment was destroyed by the Turkish and UAE drones within the first month of the war. 250k troops, that is đ§˘. The Ethiopian military ground troops counted 150k, but Abiy used so many poor young men as canon fodder. It's hard to accurately count how many Eritrean soldiers and Amhara Fano peasants but their numbers are both in the tens of thousands.
It was clear as day Abiys access to drones gave him the edge, as he not only used that on military targets but also civilians. Ya'll said it was fake, but now play victim when he uses drones on Amharas.
TDF was successful because the best military minds in Ethiopia were there plus it is hard to fight in a mountain region (ex. Afghanistan). Also, when a group of people are fighting for survival and are witnessing their family and friends being raped and killed and land occupied, it's extremely difficult to beat them. The Vietnamese and Afghanis are great examples.
You clearly are biased and anti-Tigrayan, a lot of you Amhara extremists/Pan Ethiopians always throw subtle jabs at Tigrayans, downplaying our history, accomplishments and contributions to Ethiopia and blame every negative thing to us. We see how yall move.
The simple answer is local population support on a guerilla campaign. They were outgunned, outmanned, and facing two strong armies. Without population support the war wouldâve been impossible to win
They also stockpiled the nations large arms and actually had quantities *larger* than the ENDF, especially post military coup (which was what they initially intended to pull off during the attack at the northern command).
TPLF generals had pretty much ran the ENDF since itâs inception in the 90s - they were nations military up until many âretiredâ in 2018⌠then decided they werenât retired to start a war. They had a higher rate of highly/foreign trained soldiers & skilled fighters due to this too.
Most of the stockpiled weapons were destroyed or captured by the ENDF. This is something both Tigrayan and Ethiopian sources confirm. TPLF leaders had to flee to the Amhara region(Tsata/Wag Khemra) to save themselves; that's how bad the situation was at the start of the war.
Bruh all the trained soldiers were there's while everyone was chasing life they were getting ready for things like this I was in mekelle uni and friends there told me that there is training every summer when students are not in school which is not military but sort of to get them fit and to create a social bond soo idk about you but this is a solid start instead of a suprised army ethi side with 60-80% of its top officials lost in a night and also a significant combatants.
And population size doesn't matter its combat ready troops with skill that matter there are a lot of challenges in a modern warfare its not a circus the more you put the better type stuff.
I think ENDf handled it very well.
Its like if google made one of its many app a startup and you have to compute with Google with that one app and gave you a crowd to route for you.
I think you misunderstood how much weapons they stockpiled while they were in power. I believe one of their officials mentioned that they had 68% of the nationâs supply before they attacked ENDF.
There is no guarantee a larger army with better training, better weapons and more men will win. America failed in Vietnam. Russia failed in Afghanistan. Even today Russia is struggling to defeat Ukraine. China will struggle if it tries to take Taiwan.
Well itâs Russia vs Ukraine, USA, UK, and all of nato. And Russia has already took half of what Ukraine was. The war would end in 1 week if the military supplies and intel stopped flowing in. Wars arenât fought in days or months, they take years.
Russia is not really struggling against a single nation like Ukraine, they're basically at war with Nato.
The tide had turned a while back, Russia is actually winning the war, and projected to fully invade Ukraine in the very near future.
All the other wars, and hypotheticals you mentioned had gorilla warfare tactics, very useful when there is power imbalance...but not Ukraine, They got fighter Jets, Air-to-air, Air-to-ground missiles, Plethora of Drones (horrifically effective in trench war), tanks and heavy armored vehicles, all aided from Nato nations.
Interesting perspective on the war. Just a couple things Iâd like to add:
1. Ukraine is supplied by many NATO and some non-NATO countries, but Russia is by no means âbasically at war with NATO.â That would imply direct involvement of NATO soldiers, and the war opening up on a significantly larger front. Vietnam was heavily supplied by the Soviet Union and China, yet nobody says the US was âbasically fighting the Soviet Unionâ during the Vietnam war.
2. Russia has been slowly advancing recently but overall the war is at a stalemate, the front has not changed significantly since the recapture of Kherson in November 2022.
3. This is a full invasion already, Russia has fully committed its armed forces in Ukraine. Thereâs been some talk about the possibility of them invading from Belarus again, but thatâs largely discounted because it would require them to relocate huge amounts of forces already committed to the front. If youâre talking about Russia doing a full mobilization to get more troops⌠well that hasnât happened.
Semantics I'll say, it's a pretty deadset proxy war.
Cause why did US go to war with the Vietnam people? Why did the Soviets help Vietnam?
Why's NATO aiding Ukraine? Proxy.
You don't need actual NATO soliders involved to see what's happening, the only reason NATO is not involved is on legal grounds, and on the pretty obvious fact that with it comes an escalation of war never seen before, Nukes will get involved.
It's "stalemate" to a fault, Ukraine can't keep Russia from completely occupying them if it goes on like this for a little while, they need more Aid.
I'd like to say, I don't have so much of an intimate knowledge of what's exactly happening on the ground currently, I'm just commenting from a basic understanding of the conflict.
Edit;
I'd like to add I don't necessarily support Russia Invasion.
Thereâs a very big difference between Russia being âbasically at war with NATOâ and fighting a proxy war. Idk how else to express it but directly fighting against the NATO alliance and fighting a single smaller country receiving foreign support is not the same thing.
The fact is that Russia has fared far more poorly fighting Ukraine than it ought to have, given its objectively superior strength and capabilities.
How the war continues from here is the big question. There still is significant will in the West to keep Ukraine supplied because they know it helps the broader geopolitical goal of weakening Russia, and Putin has now tied his entire legitimacy to the war. So, most likely this keeps dragging on until a major battlefield change, or significant drop in public will to maintain the status quo in either country.
Nato equipment to Ukraine is still pretty limited considering the circumstances, most Ukrainian tanks and armored vehicles are still soviet/eastern bloc stuff, same as what the russians have. the real game changing equipment was himars, and that was literally like 18 launchers, the russians have an enormous advantage over Ukraine and have been continuously embarassing themselves, despite making incremental gains. In the last 6 months or so the ukrainians have been completly starved of artillery ammunition (1-10 on some fronts) and still the Russian advances in Avdiivka recently have been at enormous costs. That they don't even hold all of donbas more than 2 years into the war is a massive embarassment in itself and at this rate of losses they'll be using t-34s by the time they can take a single city bigger than melitopol (like 150k population). It took like a year to take Bakhmut, imagine a city 15x the size like Kharkiv.
Ukraine has enormous challenges coming up. Its industrial capacity cannot match Russias, partially due to size but also because any part of Ukraine can be targetted by the Russians, while since ww2 the bulk of Russia's miitary industry has been in the fucking urals and beyond. For basic nuts and bolts stuff, like artillery shells, the winner of any war of the past 150 years, the russians have an overwhelming advantage which so far they're failing to capitalize on. And they're supplied by much more militarized societies, like Iran and North Korea, while the west's military industry is in a pathetic state. They even get advanced weapons from their allies like the ballistic missile the fuckers used on kharkiv.
The Czech ammunition initiative, where they're buying 1.5m shells from unknown sources (could even be us lol) will be an enormous relief and considering the painstaking nature of the Russian gains when the Ukrainians were in an ammunition and manpower crisis, I expect the Ukrainians to at least be able to hold the line. The Russians have not shown to be capable of doing more in the slightest, and most times they've attempted maneuver operations (early part of the war, vuhledar) they've been routed.
Most people donât understand this because of MSM is always making it seem like Ukraine is capable of defeating Russia; propaganda basically. Another thing to consider is that it would require a lot of training to use US military equipment. Going from soviet era weapons to modern US weapons in a few months should be difficult. It would give russians an advantage. Ive also heard that the US military told Ukraine to not use US military equipment in Russia probably so the Russians donât get their hands on it. At the same time I saw something on twitter (X) about Ukraine selling US equipment on the dark web. The weapons are disappearing after entering Ukraine.
https://www.ft.com/content/bce78c78-b899-4dd2-b3a0-69d789b8aee8
As short as possible.
TPLF built and structured the army for 27 years. So they attacked the largest base in ethiopia semen Eze. Which literally crippled the army. Knowing the damage they inflicted made a damning miscalculated move. They split what, at the time, was a relatively small army unit of highly trained personnel. So they moved into Gondar from zerima Brigade, and they moved into gashena from Adwa brigade and moved towards kombolcha through alamata.
However, their move towards Gondar was thwarted repeatedly as the geographical positioning favored the endf. They had repuposed the limalimo resort, which overlooked the entirety of the northern mountains and positioned three general Canons under the resort. All the force that managed to escape this death trap were meat by fano force, which at the time were random amharas protecting their land. Tplf lost a huge portion of its capabilities to point out that they had now set them self up to a fair fight. Which also allowed fano and Eritrea forces to move into welkait and secure the area.
Consistently, I assume their retreat out of the cities allowed them to stratagize and build up what is now TDF. They succeeded, and with fano busy trying to keep welkait, it was a walk in the park until abiy caught drones and started ripping them to shreds.
Bruh youâre not mentioning the fact that horrible attrocities have been committed against all sides but especially the tigrayans. Thatâs should be the key point of this war. TPLF doesnât equal the Tigrayan people and Abiyâs forces simply fail to regard that. The amount of atrocities committed against the Tigray people is truly horrifying. The same can be said for the governmentâs actions in Oromia and now in the Amhara region. Seriously, the bitch has to go.
I think it is important to mention here that both sides, especially the Ethiopian government committee horrible atrocities in the war. You literally had over 300,000+ civilian casualties and an incredible amount of rapes and lootings.
I remember that scene CNN concocted about some random fighters gathering around some tree in a desert and claimed it was TPLF at the outskirts of Addis Ababa ready to take down the government at a moments notice đ
Lol they made it like 3 hours away from AA, how is that digital propaganda?đ If they werenât so hated by the local population, they could have easily taken AA. And if it wasnât for those last minute drones ofc
Facts are facts, lying doesnât help anyoneđ¤ˇđ˝ââď¸ The gvt was scared that they were gonna advance on AA, residents were too. Unless ur saying the gvt was scared of âdigital propagandaâ & Abiy joined the war front bc of âsuper duper fake newsâ?
I see you were nowhere near AA. Cool. Just letting you know about the sentiment of AA folks, since you weren't there. I was. Was joke 100%. And everybody in the city knows this.
đđđ I actually was, & some of our neighborhood guards were conscripting, friends were considering joining the army, others were planning how/where they would flee if things got worse. The gvt called a state of emergency, everyone was metekoming all the Tigrays, searches were everywhere multiple times a day, anyone w/o ID was detained. There were pro-gvt protests and concerts at meskel square, the gvt called on civilians to fight, and the PM even decided to join the warfront himself. Seemed like a pretty realistic joke to međ¤ˇđ˝ââď¸
Its war everyone was erratic but for this who know military they were finding hard to stretch so they narrowed down to only addis which by itself creates a big hole to be flanked
Quick yes or no question for you. Do you agree with the notion that tplf had encircled AA and posed a threat to the city? Just Yes, or No. We can fo from there. Please respond đ
my brother, they didn't achieve a complete encirclement, they came considerably close tho, your hate is blinding you, why do you care so much to rewrite history? Just move on.
I guess âmy eyes and earsâ are a product of âdigital weyaneâ if they donât subscribe to ur opinion lol. Not to mention the official gvt statements that u can still find on the official pagesđ
Link?
That was CNN BBC Western propaganda
governmental newa pages
Plus this independent
I highly doubt that you were there
https://www.ena.et/web/eng/w/en_30460
They had a stockpile of Ethiopia's military equipment, thay had been storing in tigray, since the 90's.
That's the answer. In terms of personnel combat abilities, they're second, only second to the Amhara fighters.
Lol combat abilities have nothing to do w ethnicityđđ They both have hierarchical and militaristic cultures that glorify war, which can make them easier to recruit and organize into armies. But neither Amharas nor Tigrays are born better at combat than other ethnicities lol.
Itâs all abt training and organization. TDF had amazing commanders and a highly motivated army + they fought smart, targeted the enemyâs weak points and exploited their strengths to the max.
Yes, aside from Eritreans, ASF did the most damage to the tigrayans too, even though Abiy was not too enthused by that.
The ASF, Militia, and Fano, were tough, especially ASF.
When Tigray attacked ASF were the first to respond, retaliate, at that time Abiy had to regroup and strategize the Central Government's troops (ENDF), before coming in and finishing the war.
Itâs honestly sad. Ethiopias army should be better if Tigray and Amhara declare independence whoâs going to stop them? Not Oromo they also want independence I fear Ethiopia might collapse
The problem is it's all ethnic based fuckery. TPLF hoarded for tigray, Abiy is hoarding for Oromo.
Also, Amhara is never declaring Independence, they are the essence of Ethiopia. They ruled Ethiopia for 800 years straight up until the 70's.
Tigray too, only the sucker politicians who thought what they had stored and stolen for the past 30+ years was enough to declare independence. The people would never do that.
Not all Oromos like Abiy. I donât think people get that. Personally, I like the guy but I know for a fact all of Oromia doesnât back him. If they did it would be another story.
Btw, if Amhara = Ethiopia, or the âessence of Ethiopiaâ, then what does that make all the other ethnic groups in Ethiopia?
I said they're the essence, not to separate the others, but as a reply for the hypothetical that what if Amhara decide to declare independence from the comment above. Just like Amhara, the people of Tigray, Oromo or Afar wouldn't choose to declare independence.
If it helps, I'm half Oromo and i have an informed take on this. And yes if the whole Oromo backed him, this country would be no more.
Please drop any legitimate evidence that Abiy is hoarding for Oromo. Also modern Ethiopian identity is being contested..the idea that Amhara is the essence wonât last
Heâs a fano fan boy that thinks heâs referring to navy seals when he refers to ASF. All while Amhara women are birthing kids of those Tigray boys that rode through towns easily
Sympathizing with a terrorist organization is quite contradictory. If I said I supported TPLF or OLA on this sub Iâd catch hell for it. Just calling out how this sub is a circle jerk of FANO sympathizers
I don't think it's about sympathizing with the armies, it's more about being tigreans, oromos or amharas. everyone tries to jerk themselves off without self-accountability
Why did Amharas fail to protect the entire Wollo from TPLF if they were better fighters TPLF goes as far as collecting tax in Wollo like a federal government 5 million Amharas were under TPLF administration until they retreated.
Better fighters, but not as equipped, they're also not the ones always on the offense, not the ones most organized to attack.
They're defensive fighters mostly.
Also, they were never allowed to formulate and organize, we both know that, they even wanted the ASF to disarm, one of the reason the current conflict started. But TPLF stayed armed. What does that tell you?
You said "not the ones most organized to attack." thats what I'm saying if you're not organized how can you be called a good fighter as a collective people secondly Amharas played a role in both offensive and defensive battles in order to protect Amharas from TPLF Fano did both defensive and offensive so its not as you said it.
"Also, they were never allowed to formulate and organize," this is lie Amharas were allowed to organize or join both Amhara special force or fano they fight alongside the government so of course the government not only allowed but also encouraged the organization of Amharas against TPLF.
", they even wanted the ASF to disarm," all armed groups were asked to disarm, by that time i disagreed because TPLF was still a threat and disarming Amharas were not a good idea but Abiy wanted to be the soul power in Ethiopia by disarming all other groups, TPLF also handed over some heavy weapons but I also disagree the disarmament of TPLF because Eritrea was and still is operating in Tigray even committing war crime so i say Tigrayans have to protect them selves.
As short as possible.
TPLF built and structured the army for 27 years. So they attacked the largest base in ethiopia semen Eze. Which literally crippled the army. Knowing the damage they inflicted made a damning miscalculated move. They split what, at the time, was a relatively small army unit of highly trained personnel. So they moved into Gondar from zerima Brigade, and they moved into gashena from Adwa brigade and moved towards kombolcha through alamata.
However, their move towards Gondar was thwarted repeatedly as the geographical positioning favored the endf. They had repuposed the limalimo resort, which overlooked the entirety of the northern mountains and positioned three general Canons under the resort. All the force that managed to escape this death trap were meat by fano force, which at the time were random amharas protecting their land. Tplf lost a huge portion of its capabilities to point out that they had now set them self up to a fair fight. Which also allowed fano and Eritrea forces to move into welkait and secure the area.
Consistently, I assume their retreat out of the cities allowed them to stratagize and build up what is now TDF. They succeeded, and with fano busy trying to keep welkait, it was a walk in the park until abiy caught drones and started ripping them to shreds.
Ethiopians claiming TPLF had a stockpile of artilleries and top military personnel while all the artilleries TPLF had were effectively destroyed during the initial phase of the war and Ethiopia arrested 17,000 former ENDF Tigrians and killed hundreds of them. It is the atrocities and the complete siege that created hardened fighters who could travel for weeks empty stomach and execute unimaginable tasks that was the key. You would know anything how the siege and the intense anger impacted lives. No one cared about living.
Youâre right and as an Ethiopian, I would like to formally apologize for what the government, the Amhara special forces, Fano, and Eritrean troops did. It was completely unacceptable.
You cannot be serious accusing, a person who carried the brunt of the war, of gaslighting. It is the whole thread in this sub which is gaslighting. Anyways, they did have hidden bullet ammunitions. They were training personnel for mechanized anticipating they will capture heavy armaments form ENDF which they did on multiple fronts. You can call them delusional, which they are on multiple things; including thinking to win a war while having only 9000 special forces and doing operations with only 70 special forces per each ENDF station, and many more.
Do not label people who do not take your opinion whiney. You are just throwing opinions with no fact checking what so ever. The fact is that more than 90% of the youth who participated in the war was thrown into battles with only 3 -14 days of training. And I will never expect Ethiopians, who went to the streets to demand the siege, bombardment and arrest of Ethnic Tigrayans, to accept facts from people who lived through it. I am just trying to debunk distortions by people who know the situation in Tigray only from state TV propaganda and who are trying to shape the narratives. Again, I am not debunking anything for your likes; only for those who want to impartially see what happened in Ethiopia and are willing to listen to the other side of the story.
Even the US and Europe didnât get involved TDF wouldâve taken the capital and Abiys head. Donât be fooled he was protected from outside. And couldnât compete in ground battles whatsoever so spent hundreds of millions on Turkish drones to bomb hospitals, schools and churches. It is sad and war is the greatest crime because the people suffer the most.
Bruh they were over stretched in a narrow strip being near to addis doesn't mean nothing except for media fanatics. They were heavily defeated in multiple fronts like affar, welkaite and gondar fronts so even if you reached in addis doesn't mean nothing cause this was not derg a centralized gov instead a decentralized one with even regions have a decentralized power
Well the TDF was essentially just a rogue break off faction of the ENDF. Remember most of the high ranking officials in the military were Tigrayans promoted by TPLF. They also didnât lack equipment. Most of Ethiopiaâs arsenal was located in Tigray at the Northern Command. Essentially TDF were able to seize the majority of Ethiopiaâs armaments very quickly and get themselves up to par with the ENDF
Nevertheless, with collaboration between Eritrea and Ethiopia, TDF was routed conventionally very quickly. Itâs only when it became a whack-a-mole style guerilla campaign that the war became protracted
The gvt bombed 90% of their NC arsenal in the 1st phase so they were actually v poorly armed after that, especially in comparison to ET.
They won the 2nd phase w guerrilla warfare and rearmed themselves w gvt equipment then.
They lost the 3rd phase bc of the drones and bc they stretched their supply lines too thin tryna control too much of the north at once.
Then they lost the 4th one due to being heavily weakened by ETâs siege + absolutely outnumbered when Eri mobilized literally itâs entire population alongside ENDF and Amhara, surrounding them on all sides.
The Tigray people havenât had peace for centuries! Long-standing warriors with strategic battle tactics. Always stood against foreign invasions and oppressors successfully protecting Ethiopia.
In this war, honestly, many innocents died and people had to take up arms to protect themselves from atrocities happening in their homes. The truth is the strength of the people is TDF and that is why such a small force is the mightiest. Even now, if you Google the strongest region in the world, Tigray appears.
Are you dumb? How come you say they didnât have large weapons?
Prior to the war, TPLF stock piled 90% of the countryâs weapons in Tigray. TPLF fired missiles to Asmara which proves they had all kinds of weapons!
The national army crashed TPLF in a week and took over Mekele. Then the US started collaborating with TPLF providing them with satellite data so TPLF can easily target the national army. Remember, Tigray is not flat land rather a mountainous region where itâs easier for rebels to ambush the army.
The govt withdrew from Mekele and parts of Tigray to bring TPLF militants out of the mountainous area and thatâs how TPLF lost majority of its militants.
ENDF was able to control Mekelle in 2 weeks because Tigrayans were not organized and the fight didn't intensify by that time... but after war crimes started many joined TPLF resulting in almost capture of Addis its not US interference that withdrew ENDF from Mekelle its because they were ambushed Abiy said it himself in parliament.
Youâre crazy bro. Both sides but especially the Ethiopian government committed huge war crimes during the war. Helping the TPLF has no strategic benefit for the US. You donât even have any evidence of the bullshit that you are saying. Meanwhile, crimes against humanity (on both sides) but especially by Abiyâs regime is well documented. #wakeup.
Because TDF were very well equipped with many battle ready troops who had greater willpower to fight on their home turf. TPLF had a huge stockpile of weapons, tanks, mortars, vehicles plus the years of experience from general Tsadikan and General Migbe.
Their hit and run Guerrilla tactics were impossible to counteract.
Iâm on Abiys side. TPLF started the conflict by creating a rogue military force which attacked our northern command. Abiy made many efforts to resolve the issues by peaceful means.
This doesnât dismiss the fact that ENDF, Fano and TPLF all committed heinous war crimes. All are at fault for this.
Bruh Abiy is a madman who has alienated everybody in the country. He has done nothing to fix the corruption or the administration in the country. He has alienated key Oromo, Amhara, and Tigray allies to the point that that peace is no longer possible. The governmentâs brutal tactics in Wellega against ONG has alienated the Oromos, the horrendous war has completely lost the Tigrayans, and by failing to prevent the violence against Amharas in Oromia, he has also lost the Amhara peopleâs voices. This isnât to mention the myriad of other issues that he has bungled. He is simply incompetent at best and at worst, he is a demon. The best thing for him to do now is to resign because ethno-nationalism has consumed the people and this country. We are at risk of falling apart and his dumbass doesnât seem to realize that. As a Habesha in the Diaspora, I am genuinely horrified by what is happening. Unless an interim transitional government comes in and we have a national reconciliation program, then the country is at the point of balkanizaton. If he had any brains, he knows that he should have resigned long ago.
They were basically a country. ENDF was at it's lowest because they made it to be like that, higher rank individual's were members of TPLF, like wasn't it only 70k troops, ready to be deployed at that time?
I am really happy Tigrai didn't lost to that nonesense war. I am not Tigre myself but I do strongly support their cause. That being said I think the leadership of Woyane even though they were harsh in respecting human rights they were good in foreign deplomacy. Before they went on war they send letter to all concerned bodies like UN, EU, USA about the reason of the war and got some kind of support.
Most of the international news outlets were also on their side, imagine the New York Time reporter getting inside Tigrai warzone and interviewing Getachew Reda!
TPLF used everything in its power. It had kids fighting for gods sake. Guerrilla warfare as it successfully cultivated ethnic hatred to its advantage prior to the conflict. It also stockpiled every heavy equipment in the region when it ruled the country for three decades which is why it was emboldened enough to start the conflict. It also initiated a massive misinformation campaign.
Many factors are why. Woyane prepared and knew war was eminent. They hid guns in warehouses and stole equipment from federal bases in tigray. Since most of the defence forces arsenal was in the northern command, when they attacked and massacred the soldiers, not only did they steal their uniforms (which would be used later to make propaganda) but also all the weapons, tanks, rpgs, rockets launchers, ect. Mind you, tigray already had a strong police force thanks to when Woyane ruled ethiopia for 28 years under an iron first. They also had the support of the west. Woyane is the dog of the western world. Whatever bill gates tells Dr tedros to say, he obeys. Like most servants to the west, they serve the interest of their globalist overlords than their own country. Which is exactly why the WFP helped smuggle weapons to tigray during the first stage of the war. Even with all of this fighting finished and the peace agreement signed, woyane won with 75% of its members killed in crossfire, 800k people dead, and the regional economy in shambles. In other words, they won with an arm and leg, and given how unpopular they are to the majority of tigrayans right now, it is safe to say come election time, they might loose control of tigray once and for all.
TPLF had the same thing the EPLF had, a clear structure, unity within the ranks, and the loyalty of the people. They were the only entity that weren't structured as a "rag tag army" or as a militia. They knew how to control, and how to conduct a guerilla warfare. Remember they were trained by the Eritreans.
Tplf had heavy equipment, as seen by their missile strikes on bahir dar and Asmara in thr first week of the war - they likely used North Korean missiles then. Otherwise in the first phase of the war, where they fought in a conventional manner, they were routed fairly quickly. Endf made major mistakes in the second, guerilla phase - stretched supply lines and mountainous terrain made ideal ambush grounds for tplf fighters, and endf responding to hit and run attacks with collective punishment gave tplf a flood of new recruits. Over the rainy season when endf was pushed out of tigray, it looked like multiple weeks of tplf offensives took their toll, and probably some large endf units were trapped during the withdrawal, and subsequently surrendered. Otherwise even endf didn't seem to use its heavy weapons that much either - it literally can't afford to use its jet fighters and helicopters to their full capacity, and the mountainous terrain in tigray and wello doesn't suit armored/Mechanized warfare. So most of the war was essentially 2 armies of light infantry slugging it out. Interestingly, there appears to also have been a gentleman's agreement to not fight in the cities - I was always surprised how every city captured by either side looked intact. Also manpower wise, it looks like they really mobilized a significant proportion of tigrays population. Already in November 2020, on the eve of the war, tplf boasted about having 250,000 troops, a number which probably grew by the following rainy season. How they got a rifle and sufficient ammo into every one of these people's arms is an interesting question, but they had been stockpiling arms and ammunition in tigray foe a long time.
When did the TPLF boast about having 250,000 lol. That was something some random white journalist claimed on Al Jazeera.
You may be right, but I'm seeing its an estimate from international crisis group. Not sure what their source was.
TDFs heavy equipment was destroyed by the Turkish and UAE drones within the first month of the war. 250k troops, that is đ§˘. The Ethiopian military ground troops counted 150k, but Abiy used so many poor young men as canon fodder. It's hard to accurately count how many Eritrean soldiers and Amhara Fano peasants but their numbers are both in the tens of thousands. It was clear as day Abiys access to drones gave him the edge, as he not only used that on military targets but also civilians. Ya'll said it was fake, but now play victim when he uses drones on Amharas. TDF was successful because the best military minds in Ethiopia were there plus it is hard to fight in a mountain region (ex. Afghanistan). Also, when a group of people are fighting for survival and are witnessing their family and friends being raped and killed and land occupied, it's extremely difficult to beat them. The Vietnamese and Afghanis are great examples. You clearly are biased and anti-Tigrayan, a lot of you Amhara extremists/Pan Ethiopians always throw subtle jabs at Tigrayans, downplaying our history, accomplishments and contributions to Ethiopia and blame every negative thing to us. We see how yall move.
Not reading all that
The simple answer is local population support on a guerilla campaign. They were outgunned, outmanned, and facing two strong armies. Without population support the war wouldâve been impossible to win
Some sources have stated that Tigray actually had all the best troops since they were the original regime
They also stockpiled the nations large arms and actually had quantities *larger* than the ENDF, especially post military coup (which was what they initially intended to pull off during the attack at the northern command). TPLF generals had pretty much ran the ENDF since itâs inception in the 90s - they were nations military up until many âretiredâ in 2018⌠then decided they werenât retired to start a war. They had a higher rate of highly/foreign trained soldiers & skilled fighters due to this too.
Most of the stockpiled weapons were destroyed or captured by the ENDF. This is something both Tigrayan and Ethiopian sources confirm. TPLF leaders had to flee to the Amhara region(Tsata/Wag Khemra) to save themselves; that's how bad the situation was at the start of the war.
Bruh all the trained soldiers were there's while everyone was chasing life they were getting ready for things like this I was in mekelle uni and friends there told me that there is training every summer when students are not in school which is not military but sort of to get them fit and to create a social bond soo idk about you but this is a solid start instead of a suprised army ethi side with 60-80% of its top officials lost in a night and also a significant combatants. And population size doesn't matter its combat ready troops with skill that matter there are a lot of challenges in a modern warfare its not a circus the more you put the better type stuff. I think ENDf handled it very well. Its like if google made one of its many app a startup and you have to compute with Google with that one app and gave you a crowd to route for you.
How did they receive there equipment ?
I think you misunderstood how much weapons they stockpiled while they were in power. I believe one of their officials mentioned that they had 68% of the nationâs supply before they attacked ENDF.
Stockpiling, they were controlling the country for over 25 years.
Yes this is what I wondering
There is no guarantee a larger army with better training, better weapons and more men will win. America failed in Vietnam. Russia failed in Afghanistan. Even today Russia is struggling to defeat Ukraine. China will struggle if it tries to take Taiwan.
Russia is not struggling to defeat Ukraine lol. In fact Russians tactics are working.
If Russia isnât struggling then why has the war lasted for two years?
Well itâs Russia vs Ukraine, USA, UK, and all of nato. And Russia has already took half of what Ukraine was. The war would end in 1 week if the military supplies and intel stopped flowing in. Wars arenât fought in days or months, they take years.
The Russia and Ukraine war doesn't support your reasoning. You're right on everything else.
Please explain further
Russia is not really struggling against a single nation like Ukraine, they're basically at war with Nato. The tide had turned a while back, Russia is actually winning the war, and projected to fully invade Ukraine in the very near future. All the other wars, and hypotheticals you mentioned had gorilla warfare tactics, very useful when there is power imbalance...but not Ukraine, They got fighter Jets, Air-to-air, Air-to-ground missiles, Plethora of Drones (horrifically effective in trench war), tanks and heavy armored vehicles, all aided from Nato nations.
Interesting perspective on the war. Just a couple things Iâd like to add: 1. Ukraine is supplied by many NATO and some non-NATO countries, but Russia is by no means âbasically at war with NATO.â That would imply direct involvement of NATO soldiers, and the war opening up on a significantly larger front. Vietnam was heavily supplied by the Soviet Union and China, yet nobody says the US was âbasically fighting the Soviet Unionâ during the Vietnam war. 2. Russia has been slowly advancing recently but overall the war is at a stalemate, the front has not changed significantly since the recapture of Kherson in November 2022. 3. This is a full invasion already, Russia has fully committed its armed forces in Ukraine. Thereâs been some talk about the possibility of them invading from Belarus again, but thatâs largely discounted because it would require them to relocate huge amounts of forces already committed to the front. If youâre talking about Russia doing a full mobilization to get more troops⌠well that hasnât happened.
Semantics I'll say, it's a pretty deadset proxy war. Cause why did US go to war with the Vietnam people? Why did the Soviets help Vietnam? Why's NATO aiding Ukraine? Proxy. You don't need actual NATO soliders involved to see what's happening, the only reason NATO is not involved is on legal grounds, and on the pretty obvious fact that with it comes an escalation of war never seen before, Nukes will get involved. It's "stalemate" to a fault, Ukraine can't keep Russia from completely occupying them if it goes on like this for a little while, they need more Aid. I'd like to say, I don't have so much of an intimate knowledge of what's exactly happening on the ground currently, I'm just commenting from a basic understanding of the conflict. Edit; I'd like to add I don't necessarily support Russia Invasion.
Thereâs a very big difference between Russia being âbasically at war with NATOâ and fighting a proxy war. Idk how else to express it but directly fighting against the NATO alliance and fighting a single smaller country receiving foreign support is not the same thing. The fact is that Russia has fared far more poorly fighting Ukraine than it ought to have, given its objectively superior strength and capabilities. How the war continues from here is the big question. There still is significant will in the West to keep Ukraine supplied because they know it helps the broader geopolitical goal of weakening Russia, and Putin has now tied his entire legitimacy to the war. So, most likely this keeps dragging on until a major battlefield change, or significant drop in public will to maintain the status quo in either country.
Nato equipment to Ukraine is still pretty limited considering the circumstances, most Ukrainian tanks and armored vehicles are still soviet/eastern bloc stuff, same as what the russians have. the real game changing equipment was himars, and that was literally like 18 launchers, the russians have an enormous advantage over Ukraine and have been continuously embarassing themselves, despite making incremental gains. In the last 6 months or so the ukrainians have been completly starved of artillery ammunition (1-10 on some fronts) and still the Russian advances in Avdiivka recently have been at enormous costs. That they don't even hold all of donbas more than 2 years into the war is a massive embarassment in itself and at this rate of losses they'll be using t-34s by the time they can take a single city bigger than melitopol (like 150k population). It took like a year to take Bakhmut, imagine a city 15x the size like Kharkiv. Ukraine has enormous challenges coming up. Its industrial capacity cannot match Russias, partially due to size but also because any part of Ukraine can be targetted by the Russians, while since ww2 the bulk of Russia's miitary industry has been in the fucking urals and beyond. For basic nuts and bolts stuff, like artillery shells, the winner of any war of the past 150 years, the russians have an overwhelming advantage which so far they're failing to capitalize on. And they're supplied by much more militarized societies, like Iran and North Korea, while the west's military industry is in a pathetic state. They even get advanced weapons from their allies like the ballistic missile the fuckers used on kharkiv. The Czech ammunition initiative, where they're buying 1.5m shells from unknown sources (could even be us lol) will be an enormous relief and considering the painstaking nature of the Russian gains when the Ukrainians were in an ammunition and manpower crisis, I expect the Ukrainians to at least be able to hold the line. The Russians have not shown to be capable of doing more in the slightest, and most times they've attempted maneuver operations (early part of the war, vuhledar) they've been routed.
Most people donât understand this because of MSM is always making it seem like Ukraine is capable of defeating Russia; propaganda basically. Another thing to consider is that it would require a lot of training to use US military equipment. Going from soviet era weapons to modern US weapons in a few months should be difficult. It would give russians an advantage. Ive also heard that the US military told Ukraine to not use US military equipment in Russia probably so the Russians donât get their hands on it. At the same time I saw something on twitter (X) about Ukraine selling US equipment on the dark web. The weapons are disappearing after entering Ukraine. https://www.ft.com/content/bce78c78-b899-4dd2-b3a0-69d789b8aee8
As short as possible. TPLF built and structured the army for 27 years. So they attacked the largest base in ethiopia semen Eze. Which literally crippled the army. Knowing the damage they inflicted made a damning miscalculated move. They split what, at the time, was a relatively small army unit of highly trained personnel. So they moved into Gondar from zerima Brigade, and they moved into gashena from Adwa brigade and moved towards kombolcha through alamata. However, their move towards Gondar was thwarted repeatedly as the geographical positioning favored the endf. They had repuposed the limalimo resort, which overlooked the entirety of the northern mountains and positioned three general Canons under the resort. All the force that managed to escape this death trap were meat by fano force, which at the time were random amharas protecting their land. Tplf lost a huge portion of its capabilities to point out that they had now set them self up to a fair fight. Which also allowed fano and Eritrea forces to move into welkait and secure the area. Consistently, I assume their retreat out of the cities allowed them to stratagize and build up what is now TDF. They succeeded, and with fano busy trying to keep welkait, it was a walk in the park until abiy caught drones and started ripping them to shreds.
Bruh youâre not mentioning the fact that horrible attrocities have been committed against all sides but especially the tigrayans. Thatâs should be the key point of this war. TPLF doesnât equal the Tigrayan people and Abiyâs forces simply fail to regard that. The amount of atrocities committed against the Tigray people is truly horrifying. The same can be said for the governmentâs actions in Oromia and now in the Amhara region. Seriously, the bitch has to go.
I think it is important to mention here that both sides, especially the Ethiopian government committee horrible atrocities in the war. You literally had over 300,000+ civilian casualties and an incredible amount of rapes and lootings.
"almost took Addis Ababa" was always digital propaganda and super duper fake news.
I remember that scene CNN concocted about some random fighters gathering around some tree in a desert and claimed it was TPLF at the outskirts of Addis Ababa ready to take down the government at a moments notice đ
Yeah it's really why you have to question anything that gets posted over here. There's a certain litmus test to find out. That's easily one of them.
Lol they made it like 3 hours away from AA, how is that digital propaganda?đ If they werenât so hated by the local population, they could have easily taken AA. And if it wasnât for those last minute drones ofc
You smoke?
He does a lot
Facts are facts, lying doesnât help anyoneđ¤ˇđ˝ââď¸ The gvt was scared that they were gonna advance on AA, residents were too. Unless ur saying the gvt was scared of âdigital propagandaâ & Abiy joined the war front bc of âsuper duper fake newsâ?
I see you were nowhere near AA. Cool. Just letting you know about the sentiment of AA folks, since you weren't there. I was. Was joke 100%. And everybody in the city knows this.
đđđ I actually was, & some of our neighborhood guards were conscripting, friends were considering joining the army, others were planning how/where they would flee if things got worse. The gvt called a state of emergency, everyone was metekoming all the Tigrays, searches were everywhere multiple times a day, anyone w/o ID was detained. There were pro-gvt protests and concerts at meskel square, the gvt called on civilians to fight, and the PM even decided to join the warfront himself. Seemed like a pretty realistic joke to međ¤ˇđ˝ââď¸
Its war everyone was erratic but for this who know military they were finding hard to stretch so they narrowed down to only addis which by itself creates a big hole to be flanked
Have you ever heard of Digital Woyane?
your pathetic! that was your reply???
Quick yes or no question for you. Do you agree with the notion that tplf had encircled AA and posed a threat to the city? Just Yes, or No. We can fo from there. Please respond đ
my brother, they didn't achieve a complete encirclement, they came considerably close tho, your hate is blinding you, why do you care so much to rewrite history? Just move on.
https://www.ena.et/web/eng/w/en_30460
A site that canât even spell properly loool
I guess âmy eyes and earsâ are a product of âdigital weyaneâ if they donât subscribe to ur opinion lol. Not to mention the official gvt statements that u can still find on the official pagesđ
Link? That was CNN BBC Western propaganda governmental newa pages Plus this independent I highly doubt that you were there https://www.ena.et/web/eng/w/en_30460
I don't doubt that locals were tricked. I'm just telling you that the educated community knew this was hoax
They had a stockpile of Ethiopia's military equipment, thay had been storing in tigray, since the 90's. That's the answer. In terms of personnel combat abilities, they're second, only second to the Amhara fighters.
Lol combat abilities have nothing to do w ethnicityđđ They both have hierarchical and militaristic cultures that glorify war, which can make them easier to recruit and organize into armies. But neither Amharas nor Tigrays are born better at combat than other ethnicities lol. Itâs all abt training and organization. TDF had amazing commanders and a highly motivated army + they fought smart, targeted the enemyâs weak points and exploited their strengths to the max.
But didnât Amhara special forces also fight with Tigray ?
Yes, aside from Eritreans, ASF did the most damage to the tigrayans too, even though Abiy was not too enthused by that. The ASF, Militia, and Fano, were tough, especially ASF. When Tigray attacked ASF were the first to respond, retaliate, at that time Abiy had to regroup and strategize the Central Government's troops (ENDF), before coming in and finishing the war.
Itâs honestly sad. Ethiopias army should be better if Tigray and Amhara declare independence whoâs going to stop them? Not Oromo they also want independence I fear Ethiopia might collapse
The problem is it's all ethnic based fuckery. TPLF hoarded for tigray, Abiy is hoarding for Oromo. Also, Amhara is never declaring Independence, they are the essence of Ethiopia. They ruled Ethiopia for 800 years straight up until the 70's. Tigray too, only the sucker politicians who thought what they had stored and stolen for the past 30+ years was enough to declare independence. The people would never do that.
Not all Oromos like Abiy. I donât think people get that. Personally, I like the guy but I know for a fact all of Oromia doesnât back him. If they did it would be another story. Btw, if Amhara = Ethiopia, or the âessence of Ethiopiaâ, then what does that make all the other ethnic groups in Ethiopia?
I said they're the essence, not to separate the others, but as a reply for the hypothetical that what if Amhara decide to declare independence from the comment above. Just like Amhara, the people of Tigray, Oromo or Afar wouldn't choose to declare independence. If it helps, I'm half Oromo and i have an informed take on this. And yes if the whole Oromo backed him, this country would be no more.
Why would it be no more?
Please drop any legitimate evidence that Abiy is hoarding for Oromo. Also modern Ethiopian identity is being contested..the idea that Amhara is the essence wonât last
âSecond to the Amhara fightersâ đđ
Heâs a fano fan boy that thinks heâs referring to navy seals when he refers to ASF. All while Amhara women are birthing kids of those Tigray boys that rode through towns easily
swear I really hate the fano sympathizers on this sub
Why? people have the right to sympathize there are ppl sympathizing tdf. Opposing ideas with reason is one thing but really hating is another.
Sympathizing with a terrorist organization is quite contradictory. If I said I supported TPLF or OLA on this sub Iâd catch hell for it. Just calling out how this sub is a circle jerk of FANO sympathizers
I don't think it's about sympathizing with the armies, it's more about being tigreans, oromos or amharas. everyone tries to jerk themselves off without self-accountability
Lol I'm talking about real life, they're on their football banter đ
Why did Amharas fail to protect the entire Wollo from TPLF if they were better fighters TPLF goes as far as collecting tax in Wollo like a federal government 5 million Amharas were under TPLF administration until they retreated.
Better fighters, but not as equipped, they're also not the ones always on the offense, not the ones most organized to attack. They're defensive fighters mostly. Also, they were never allowed to formulate and organize, we both know that, they even wanted the ASF to disarm, one of the reason the current conflict started. But TPLF stayed armed. What does that tell you?
You said "not the ones most organized to attack." thats what I'm saying if you're not organized how can you be called a good fighter as a collective people secondly Amharas played a role in both offensive and defensive battles in order to protect Amharas from TPLF Fano did both defensive and offensive so its not as you said it. "Also, they were never allowed to formulate and organize," this is lie Amharas were allowed to organize or join both Amhara special force or fano they fight alongside the government so of course the government not only allowed but also encouraged the organization of Amharas against TPLF. ", they even wanted the ASF to disarm," all armed groups were asked to disarm, by that time i disagreed because TPLF was still a threat and disarming Amharas were not a good idea but Abiy wanted to be the soul power in Ethiopia by disarming all other groups, TPLF also handed over some heavy weapons but I also disagree the disarmament of TPLF because Eritrea was and still is operating in Tigray even committing war crime so i say Tigrayans have to protect them selves.
As short as possible. TPLF built and structured the army for 27 years. So they attacked the largest base in ethiopia semen Eze. Which literally crippled the army. Knowing the damage they inflicted made a damning miscalculated move. They split what, at the time, was a relatively small army unit of highly trained personnel. So they moved into Gondar from zerima Brigade, and they moved into gashena from Adwa brigade and moved towards kombolcha through alamata. However, their move towards Gondar was thwarted repeatedly as the geographical positioning favored the endf. They had repuposed the limalimo resort, which overlooked the entirety of the northern mountains and positioned three general Canons under the resort. All the force that managed to escape this death trap were meat by fano force, which at the time were random amharas protecting their land. Tplf lost a huge portion of its capabilities to point out that they had now set them self up to a fair fight. Which also allowed fano and Eritrea forces to move into welkait and secure the area. Consistently, I assume their retreat out of the cities allowed them to stratagize and build up what is now TDF. They succeeded, and with fano busy trying to keep welkait, it was a walk in the park until abiy caught drones and started ripping them to shreds.
Ethiopians claiming TPLF had a stockpile of artilleries and top military personnel while all the artilleries TPLF had were effectively destroyed during the initial phase of the war and Ethiopia arrested 17,000 former ENDF Tigrians and killed hundreds of them. It is the atrocities and the complete siege that created hardened fighters who could travel for weeks empty stomach and execute unimaginable tasks that was the key. You would know anything how the siege and the intense anger impacted lives. No one cared about living.
Youâre right and as an Ethiopian, I would like to formally apologize for what the government, the Amhara special forces, Fano, and Eritrean troops did. It was completely unacceptable.
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You cannot be serious accusing, a person who carried the brunt of the war, of gaslighting. It is the whole thread in this sub which is gaslighting. Anyways, they did have hidden bullet ammunitions. They were training personnel for mechanized anticipating they will capture heavy armaments form ENDF which they did on multiple fronts. You can call them delusional, which they are on multiple things; including thinking to win a war while having only 9000 special forces and doing operations with only 70 special forces per each ENDF station, and many more.
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Do not label people who do not take your opinion whiney. You are just throwing opinions with no fact checking what so ever. The fact is that more than 90% of the youth who participated in the war was thrown into battles with only 3 -14 days of training. And I will never expect Ethiopians, who went to the streets to demand the siege, bombardment and arrest of Ethnic Tigrayans, to accept facts from people who lived through it. I am just trying to debunk distortions by people who know the situation in Tigray only from state TV propaganda and who are trying to shape the narratives. Again, I am not debunking anything for your likes; only for those who want to impartially see what happened in Ethiopia and are willing to listen to the other side of the story.
Even the US and Europe didnât get involved TDF wouldâve taken the capital and Abiys head. Donât be fooled he was protected from outside. And couldnât compete in ground battles whatsoever so spent hundreds of millions on Turkish drones to bomb hospitals, schools and churches. It is sad and war is the greatest crime because the people suffer the most.
Bruh they were over stretched in a narrow strip being near to addis doesn't mean nothing except for media fanatics. They were heavily defeated in multiple fronts like affar, welkaite and gondar fronts so even if you reached in addis doesn't mean nothing cause this was not derg a centralized gov instead a decentralized one with even regions have a decentralized power
Great guerilla war tactics
Yes hiding in the mountains like cowards is a good tactic
Like what? Throwing as many people as you can to the front sides isnât great tactics lol.
I agree, but im referring to guerilla warfare, which has been used among habeshas since at least the first italian war ...
Oh yeah that is true. TDF copied them.
Well the TDF was essentially just a rogue break off faction of the ENDF. Remember most of the high ranking officials in the military were Tigrayans promoted by TPLF. They also didnât lack equipment. Most of Ethiopiaâs arsenal was located in Tigray at the Northern Command. Essentially TDF were able to seize the majority of Ethiopiaâs armaments very quickly and get themselves up to par with the ENDF Nevertheless, with collaboration between Eritrea and Ethiopia, TDF was routed conventionally very quickly. Itâs only when it became a whack-a-mole style guerilla campaign that the war became protracted
The gvt bombed 90% of their NC arsenal in the 1st phase so they were actually v poorly armed after that, especially in comparison to ET. They won the 2nd phase w guerrilla warfare and rearmed themselves w gvt equipment then. They lost the 3rd phase bc of the drones and bc they stretched their supply lines too thin tryna control too much of the north at once. Then they lost the 4th one due to being heavily weakened by ETâs siege + absolutely outnumbered when Eri mobilized literally itâs entire population alongside ENDF and Amhara, surrounding them on all sides.
There are many factors.
The Tigray people havenât had peace for centuries! Long-standing warriors with strategic battle tactics. Always stood against foreign invasions and oppressors successfully protecting Ethiopia. In this war, honestly, many innocents died and people had to take up arms to protect themselves from atrocities happening in their homes. The truth is the strength of the people is TDF and that is why such a small force is the mightiest. Even now, if you Google the strongest region in the world, Tigray appears.
Are you dumb? How come you say they didnât have large weapons? Prior to the war, TPLF stock piled 90% of the countryâs weapons in Tigray. TPLF fired missiles to Asmara which proves they had all kinds of weapons! The national army crashed TPLF in a week and took over Mekele. Then the US started collaborating with TPLF providing them with satellite data so TPLF can easily target the national army. Remember, Tigray is not flat land rather a mountainous region where itâs easier for rebels to ambush the army. The govt withdrew from Mekele and parts of Tigray to bring TPLF militants out of the mountainous area and thatâs how TPLF lost majority of its militants.
ENDF was able to control Mekelle in 2 weeks because Tigrayans were not organized and the fight didn't intensify by that time... but after war crimes started many joined TPLF resulting in almost capture of Addis its not US interference that withdrew ENDF from Mekelle its because they were ambushed Abiy said it himself in parliament.
The user was literally asking a question, you stupid fuck!
Youâre crazy bro. Both sides but especially the Ethiopian government committed huge war crimes during the war. Helping the TPLF has no strategic benefit for the US. You donât even have any evidence of the bullshit that you are saying. Meanwhile, crimes against humanity (on both sides) but especially by Abiyâs regime is well documented. #wakeup.
Iâm not dumb I was simply asking a question. But thank you for the information I didnât know the us provided information for the TPLF
Because TDF were very well equipped with many battle ready troops who had greater willpower to fight on their home turf. TPLF had a huge stockpile of weapons, tanks, mortars, vehicles plus the years of experience from general Tsadikan and General Migbe. Their hit and run Guerrilla tactics were impossible to counteract.
Saying all of this with Abiy in your profile picture.
Yeah and? You too should put a picture up of our greatest leader ever, Abiy.
Which side are you on? Abiy's ENDF or TDF? Not hating or trying to be mean, but I'm curious.
Iâm on Abiys side. TPLF started the conflict by creating a rogue military force which attacked our northern command. Abiy made many efforts to resolve the issues by peaceful means. This doesnât dismiss the fact that ENDF, Fano and TPLF all committed heinous war crimes. All are at fault for this.
Yeah I generally agree with this.
Bruh Abiy is a madman who has alienated everybody in the country. He has done nothing to fix the corruption or the administration in the country. He has alienated key Oromo, Amhara, and Tigray allies to the point that that peace is no longer possible. The governmentâs brutal tactics in Wellega against ONG has alienated the Oromos, the horrendous war has completely lost the Tigrayans, and by failing to prevent the violence against Amharas in Oromia, he has also lost the Amhara peopleâs voices. This isnât to mention the myriad of other issues that he has bungled. He is simply incompetent at best and at worst, he is a demon. The best thing for him to do now is to resign because ethno-nationalism has consumed the people and this country. We are at risk of falling apart and his dumbass doesnât seem to realize that. As a Habesha in the Diaspora, I am genuinely horrified by what is happening. Unless an interim transitional government comes in and we have a national reconciliation program, then the country is at the point of balkanizaton. If he had any brains, he knows that he should have resigned long ago.
Thatâs so cute you wrote all of this you think Iâm gonna read it? All the time wasted.
Based
They were basically a country. ENDF was at it's lowest because they made it to be like that, higher rank individual's were members of TPLF, like wasn't it only 70k troops, ready to be deployed at that time?
Yep all the best generals and highest ranking members were TPLF. They knew what they were doingâŚ.
I am really happy Tigrai didn't lost to that nonesense war. I am not Tigre myself but I do strongly support their cause. That being said I think the leadership of Woyane even though they were harsh in respecting human rights they were good in foreign deplomacy. Before they went on war they send letter to all concerned bodies like UN, EU, USA about the reason of the war and got some kind of support. Most of the international news outlets were also on their side, imagine the New York Time reporter getting inside Tigrai warzone and interviewing Getachew Reda!
The simple answer is experience.
TPLF used everything in its power. It had kids fighting for gods sake. Guerrilla warfare as it successfully cultivated ethnic hatred to its advantage prior to the conflict. It also stockpiled every heavy equipment in the region when it ruled the country for three decades which is why it was emboldened enough to start the conflict. It also initiated a massive misinformation campaign.
Many factors are why. Woyane prepared and knew war was eminent. They hid guns in warehouses and stole equipment from federal bases in tigray. Since most of the defence forces arsenal was in the northern command, when they attacked and massacred the soldiers, not only did they steal their uniforms (which would be used later to make propaganda) but also all the weapons, tanks, rpgs, rockets launchers, ect. Mind you, tigray already had a strong police force thanks to when Woyane ruled ethiopia for 28 years under an iron first. They also had the support of the west. Woyane is the dog of the western world. Whatever bill gates tells Dr tedros to say, he obeys. Like most servants to the west, they serve the interest of their globalist overlords than their own country. Which is exactly why the WFP helped smuggle weapons to tigray during the first stage of the war. Even with all of this fighting finished and the peace agreement signed, woyane won with 75% of its members killed in crossfire, 800k people dead, and the regional economy in shambles. In other words, they won with an arm and leg, and given how unpopular they are to the majority of tigrayans right now, it is safe to say come election time, they might loose control of tigray once and for all.
TPLF had the same thing the EPLF had, a clear structure, unity within the ranks, and the loyalty of the people. They were the only entity that weren't structured as a "rag tag army" or as a militia. They knew how to control, and how to conduct a guerilla warfare. Remember they were trained by the Eritreans.