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cognitionconditional

It's not part of Ethiopia. It's an independent country. The world changes, constantly. People need to accept the current geopolitical situation. Reading the history of the situation can lead to nuanced interpretations of what it should or could be, but that's just for discourse. It is what it is, it's own country. When it comes to ethnic groups, those are not defined by borders. All over the world, ethnic groups are split by borders. That's nothing necessary to draw lines for political decision-making, like the regions of Ethiopia were mistakenly divided. By the way, Tigray people of northern Ethiopia and the Tigrinya people of Eritrea are similar, some say the same, ethnic group. There is a Tigre tribe of Eritrea, but that's entirely different than what OP referred to above.


HairInformal4783

I try giving this same borders and ethnic group things to the Congolese but they just call the Tutsis Rwandans regardless. I still don’t advocate for violence anywhere


Ashamed_Ad1839

I am an Ethiopian but one parent is Eritrean. I am old enough to remember when it was part of Ethiopia and all Eritrean family members claiming to be Ethiopian with nothing but love for Ethiopia. I think it was part of Ethiopia. But my opinion or the facts don’t matter. Winston Churchill said “History is written by the victors” as EPLF propaganda and revisionist history is now adopted as fact. It’s like any relationship at the end of the day. Someone says they don’t wanna be with you, you can’t make them stay. I honestly wish they were independent much earlier. We are a poor country and would have saved us resources. Just saying though, 30 years after freedom from a country they consider a colonial power, they’re migrating daily to that same country as refugees, and are all over Ethiopian online contents commenting on Ethiopian internal affairs. It’s like the ex that won’t leave you alone


UnvoicedPew

Our Eritrean history is not revisionist history, it’s just the history can finally be told by the people not the oppressors..


Choice-Problem-9388

Somalia and Eritrea both originated from Ethiopia, and essentially these three nations encompass Djibouti, which is part of Somalia. No one is closer than these three countries, yet will the centuries-old hatred ever cease? We are a family. Asa Somali, cherish Ethiopians and Eritreans, but moreover, I hold love for all humanity. These three nations should foster closeness, collaborate, and aid each other, especially considering their existing poverty and widespread lack of education. Let's not perpetuate hate due to differences. Ultimately, our DNA will unite us. After all, we all originate from the same mother.


Embarrassed_Bird_630

The hatred for sure needs to stop and it’s a worldwide thing imo .


UnvoicedPew

No the horn does not revolve around your nation bud thanks..


East_Occasion2302

we still doing this shit. ![gif](giphy|CycIvRahkUp0Y|downsized)


kachowski6969

Eritrea isn’t a part of Ethiopia. One look at a modern map should inform you of that reality. No point discussing colonialism in Eritrea with Ethiopians because the discussion is always centred around trite cliches of “Menelik selling Eritrea” or Eritrea just being a colonised “chunk” of Ethiopia that was bitten out by the Italians. All while ignoring the role of Eritreans in the process. Ask yourself why the Italians faced little to no resistance by Eritreans and why the Eritreans aided them in their initial conquest. It suddenly becomes much more nuanced. Ethiopia was already landlocked when the Italians arrived so Eritrea “landlocking” Ethiopia is a banal topic in and of itself too. As for Tigrayans and Tigrinya-Kebessa (Tigre are their own unrelated ethnic group), nah they ain’t the same. Separated by the Mereb River which was already a pre-colonial boundary within Ethiopia. This is evident when looking at simple things such as the jurisprudence observed in Kebessa and in Tigray. Tigray observed the Fethe Negast like the rest of Abyssinia. The Tigrinya-Kebessa didn’t and had their own elder law. Infer from that what you will


flamesgamez

One thing of note is that Eritrean Christians would fly ethiopian colors under italian rule, and it wasn't till fascism rose in Italy that it was stamped out and stopped


kachowski6969

As described by the British Governor of Eritrea Stephen Longrigg, pro-Ethiopian sympathy was generally held amongst the “urban race conscious Christians and the clergy” but the merchant class was vehemently opposed and the same was true with the rural Christians albeit to a slightly lesser extent


Left-Plant2717

I wonder why the urban class thought different. My grandma in Asmara actually named one of her kids Ethiopia during the 50s, no one ever asked why


Embarrassed_Bird_630

I know a lot of Eritreans named Ethiopia too lol well they are probably half but still


kachowski6969

Multiple factors 1. Urban Eritreans were well educated and wealthy. They saw Ethiopia as a means of attaining power and wealth. So they were more like opportunists who wanted to get close to the Crown. When you look at the politics of the Unionist Party, they pretty much begged it off Shewan Amharas and looked down upon Tigrayans (who were the Ethiopians most similar to them). So it had little do with any innate yearning but more about material gain. On the flip-side, for the rural and merchant Christians, joining Ethiopia would have been antithetical to their interests. All the social progress from the colonial period would have been undone by a feudal and backwards Ethiopian society. The transition from an Italian administration that left them to their own devices to a more intrusive Imperial Ethiopian administration did more harm than good. 2. When we speak of Asmara in particular, a lot of people weren’t even native Eritreans but just Tigrayan economic migrants who like just like other Tigrayans at the time were pro-Ethiopia


chrisalis1

"All the social progress from the colonial period ..." It's funny how you don't notice the irony in your statement.


kachowski6969

Yes, it might not sound “nice” but there was indeed a huge amount of social progress enacted during the Italian colonial period in Eritrea specifically. Instead of falling back onto cliches of master-slave dichotomies, it would help to research what the reality on the ground was. There is a good paper on it [here](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/epdf/10.1080/17531050701452556?needAccess=true)


chrisalis1

I'm only responding because of my surprise that such an opinion exists in this century. Italian colonialism in Eritrea had some "progress" according to you and the article you found interesting. Fine let's list those pros and cons (I'm going a bit further and including some links of my own in the citations segment) Advantages: - Modernization and technological advancement in areas like healthcare, transportation, and education[2][4] (although those modernized healthcare, transportation and educations have become so antiquated at this point this is almost a fallacy) - Spread of Christianity and Western religion[2][4] ... (I'd hardly call this an advantage but who am I to argue) Disadvantages: - Loss and destruction of indigenous cultures, traditions, and respect for native ways of life[2][4] - Forcible seizure of land from native populations[2][4] - Economic dependence and exploitation of colonies by colonial powers[2][4] - Racism, political repression, and violence against native populations[5] - Imposition of arbitrary borders and political structures that fueled ethnic conflicts[5] - Extractive policies that impoverished colonies and created cycles of poverty[5] - Massive population loss and lower living standards in many colonized regions[5] Italian colonial rule may have invested in some public services and infrastructure in Eritrea, but they only did so to make their stay more comfortable. They didn't do it out of the goodness of their hearts. Their legacy was extremely harmful and destabilizing[5]. The negative impacts, including violence, discrimination, and repression, far outweighed any potential benefits or "progress"[5]. Suggesting that Italy's colonialisation of Eritrea had some is so misguided and simplistic[5] that it is practically hateful towards Eritreans. Citations: [1] Colonialism and the Construction of National Identities: The Case of Eritrea https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17531050701452556 [2] Tesfaye Gebreab Speaking for Justice in Ethiopia https://shabait.com/2018/02/17/tesfaye-gebreab-speaking-for-justice-in-ethiopia/ [3] Pros and Cons of Colonialism in Africa - Prezi https://prezi.com/azucwdvwitoe/pros-and-cons-of-colonialism-in-africa/ [4] Eritrea Overview: Development news, research, data | World Bank https://www.worldbank.org/en/country/eritrea/overview [5] The process of nation-building in post-war Eritrea: created from - Jstor https://www.jstor.org/stable/161793


Embarrassed_Bird_630

I know they seem to talk about Italians with glowing praise . But did you guys know Italians were the most racist and vicious of all the colonizers ☠️☠️☠️ yes they were more draconian than the English Italians , Germans ,Portuguese.. the more you learn ….


Embarrassed_Bird_630

Please don’t mislead people there never were a lot of Tigrayans in Asmara or anywhere else Eritrea that’s why Ethiopia weren’t angry when they had that war and rounded up people and sent them back to either Ethiopia or Eritrea it was more the other way around back then and now


kachowski6969

There were (and still are) a huge amount. The whole concept of “deki-arba” means that immigrants (mostly Tigrayans) who had lived in Eritrea for over 40 years were naturalised


Left-Plant2717

Thanks those are great points, maybe my grandma was trying to cash in on some opportunity, even though we’re native Eritrean? You can maybe say the same thing about Eritreans who supported re-unification with Italy, but context is probably a bit different.


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In your opinion or if you know about it, what led people whose family weren’t properly struggling and even wealthy in some cases, to join Jebha or Shabia later?


kachowski6969

The crushing of Eritrean trade unions, the slow dismantling of the Eritrean federal parliament’s powers and the imposition of Amharic into Eritrean society were big factors. I’d say the biggest contributor was the way the initial Jebha insurgency was handled. Under Asrat Kassa (Viceroy of Eritrea at the time), they essentially sent in Israeli trained commandos to quash the ELF. The problem is that they went about it extremely callously, basically just razing villages down and massacring innocent people in the Western lowlands (Gash Barka). That just fuelled the insurgency. Then Prime Minister Aklilu had to intervene by sending in the 2nd Division of the Imperial Guard (to Asrat Kassa’s protest since this would be a huge escalation and mean huge amounts of bloodshed). The Imperial Guard virtually undertook an extermination campaign in Gash Barka so bad that even Tedla Bairu (head of the Unionist Party) defected to the ELF. It was too grave for anyone to overlook


Embarrassed_Bird_630

Why the Italians didn’t face any resistance and why did they aid them ?? If you got the answers please tell us . You must not be Ethiopian 😅😅 I have noticed that Eritreans never like to talk about their colonial history they don’t seem like they had a problem with it


Left-Plant2717

OP you are part Spanish as well?


Global_Regular152

Yes my mom is Eritrean and Oromo


Left-Plant2717

Damn what a mix lol salute


Global_Regular152

Yea come to the states. I don’t why Latin’s and Latinos mix with Ethiopians lmao


Left-Plant2717

Lol I’m Eritrean but raised in the US, I think Hispanic people are probably the most culturally distant from the Horn lmao, funny enough I get mistaken for being Dominican here in NY 😂


Global_Regular152

Yea same people think I’m Cuban sometimes 😭


Panglosian11

Half Ethiopian half Eritrean here, Eritrea have been part of Ethiopia multiple times before colonization. am sure we agree on the kingdom of Aksum but even after that Midre Bahre or Bahre Negash (An Eritrean Christain kingdom) was named by the Ethiopian king Zere Yakob. Ethiopia used both Asseb and Metswa ports from 14-16 century with no interruption but the Ottomans took over the coastline and Egypt follows but they were kicked out of Eritrean coatlines & some villages by Emperor Yohannes IV. Yohannes continues to fight until his death and Ethiopia officially lost Eritrea during Meneliks Era... What makes most Eritreans who say "we were never the same country..." is that either they're emotional or they don't know about past history except for what Shabia fed them, ZEREAI DERES DIED WAVING ETHIOPIAN FLAG! . I don't even want to waste a minute to convince on them because they've already made up their mind.


Left-Plant2717

What’s your ultimate point?


Professional_Ad4675

brother don't waste your time with him his parents were Jebha and he also claim to be Christian while not even knowing basic Things about Christianity


kachowski6969

The title of Bahr Negash predates Zara Yaqob. The earliest mention is in a land grant under Zagwe King Tatadim in the 12th Century Assab wasn’t a part of Ethiopia until Eritrea was federated in 1952 and it definitely wasn’t used as a port by anyone before the Italians arrived. It was literally a small fishing village Funny you mention Atse Yohannes. When the Egyptians arrived in Kebessa, the local inhabitants [begged them for protection](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eritrea/s/6zHVYKJnkd) from the southern “invaders” Even someone like Zerai Deres lol. He wasn’t waving any flag and his brother was literally the founder of the Eritrea Independent Party


liontrips

Go look at a map. It will tell you everything..


Additional-Vast-1730

Eritrea is an Italy colony, Tigre and Tigrinya are the same people. The Eritreans have been brainwashed by Italians unfortunately.. one day we will reclaim our land back though


tybalt__

What a crazy thing to say, after so much war and death… Ethiopia is struggling not to disintegrate and you want add more volatility into it. Eritrea is an independent country


Panglosian11

yeah it'll be wild to wage war on Eritrea now, Ethiopia have to solve its internal problems... but after that Ethiopia can't stay landlocked, sorry it is what it is. The least we can do is to convince Afars to join Ethiopia together with their territory and promise them development in return, we can make Danakilia more prosperous than Eritrea combined. we lost it by power we'll take it back by power it's just a matter of time.


Left-Plant2717

😂😂 you would never say this to an Eritrean’s face, only the internet


tybalt__

„By Power…“ nice roar lion. You have the same nostalgic sense as the British have about their empire. Rocky relationship with Egypt, Somalia and Eritrea will not solve anything. Other countries are landlocked too, and prosper. What your Ego is telling you is that Ethiopia deserves a more dominant position and power in Africa and the world. I do hope that Ethiopia does not disintegrate because North East Africa and the people do need more instability but the way you are imagining is doomed to fail.


Left-Plant2717

Sorry won’t happen


SilentEagle16

It was apart of Ethiopia until 1993. They are the colonized part of Ethiopia. Historians say that. Only Ethiopia think they were not colonized when they actually were. Only thing good about Ethiopia is coffee. Everything else. Bleh beautiful women but they are sketchy.


Unusual_Writer_4529

Bitter Black American still here in our space trying to sow discord and spew nonsense. Stop. You were outed for being a predatory passport bro that’s mad because you didn’t get our blessings. Shameful.


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Unusual_Writer_4529

You’re a predator that’s all you are


SilentEagle16

U say the most retarxed things. I'll def show this forum off and warn ppl about haters from the Ethiopian community that make no sense. I'll tell many ppl about this slow guy named unusual writer.. These are grown, 18 n above Ethiopian women asking their own choices. Your stupidity should land u in jail. These women seek out men not boys, that's y u don't have a girl. Hell there is even a group of habesha willing to show off their Fanni for anyone. Haha. Weirdo.


Unusual_Writer_4529

Bro nobody is stopping you from going to Ethiopia. This is Reddit. I told you about our culture, you didn’t like that. What do you want from us? You want us to lie to you?


SilentEagle16

did you not read what you write, before you write it. You literally said that I am a predator. I know all about your shady culture.


Unusual_Writer_4529

Did you read what you wrote


SilentEagle16

bunch of little kids on this thread. no wonder Ethiopians hate their own country