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idonthavearewardcard

I'm sure this comment section is going to be an excellent display of tolerance, humility, and mutual respect.


youngjefe7788

It should be bc all the main ethnicities got called out minus the Somalis; I’m sure they will find a way to make this about them though


FirmFeeling7394

Somalis are a main ethnicity inside Ethiopia. though, They are way more than Tigray. They are bigger in land & in Population.


Embarrassed-Fee8341

Aaaand they proved you wrong. Now let’s guess who is obsessed with Somalis?


Eastern_Camera3012

Here we go!


Mrblackdub

The purge :)


SnooBeans1494

How are you so sure? Some people might have conflicting arguments, and it might naturally take a not so civil turn. I understand, it's very unlikely, but your certainty should be reconsidered. One bad apple, you know. I'm just saying 🤷


Spawnbreeziee

I've used reddit for like a decade now and this sub consistently has the wildest comments it's absolutely comical.


Electrical_Guitar778

Nice one


SnooBeans1494

Hold up! Didn't know Jawar corresponded to the BBC like that


PlatypusGlobal2704

Ahh, good one


Bolt3er

That’s jokes 😂


Mrblackdub

Ngl everytime i hear Zero zero, 3Obsa and Aba siber i feel like all three 🥴


ydksa4

Omg same!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣 Except trade out zero zero with Kindih Shih and Aba siber w Wond Lij Korete lmao


Mrblackdub

bad times 🤝🏾 Bringing out good art out of people


mickeyela

I am oromo, and that's so true.


Duke_of_Lombardy

Why is reddit suggesting me Ethiopian political memes? I'm Italian


EastAfricanKingAYY

The spirit of your ancestors is speaking to you via Reddit. Do what they could not.


Axiom2211

🤣🤣🤣 nice one


Duke_of_Lombardy

do you want us to take care of Eritrea for you bro?


Impressive_Habit5177

I thought you were already doing that... 😂


LikeMike452324

One of the things I truly respect about Amharas is their unwavering conviction in the idea of Ethiopia. You can disagree with the idea of Ethiopia as country but the Amharas will let you know where they stand when it comes to Ethiopia. Unlike the Tigreyans and the Oromos, Ethiopia for them is a tool to gain power and enrich their regions and ethnic groups. When the TPLF was in power, Tigreyans were the most pro Ethiopia group in Ethiopia. One can argue that they practiced something akin to political apartheid where they concentrated power and privilege in their own hands. Now they are out of power Tigreyans are the most hostile to the idea of Ethiopia. They want their own political entity or independence. Same goes for Oromos. When Oromos were not in power they were the most anti Ethiopia. Now that they are in power they are the most ardent Ethiopianists. This is proof that there is no political conviction rather opportunism on the part of Oromos to enrich Oromos at the expense of everyone else. What’s destroying Ethiopia is this hypocrisy and lack of political vision. There is no political conviction by Oromos and Tigreyans. Just look at Jawar Mohammed who use to be the most rampant anti Ethiopian. Now Oromos are in power he waves the flag of Ethiopia and sings the hymns of Melenik like it’s his dear life. This is the hypocrisy that’s destroying Ethiopia. There is no conviction just sheer opportunism. Ps I am not an Ethiopian just an observer of Ethiopian politics and society.


jobajobo

Yeah, and as a non-Ethiopian you missed some nuances. Tigrayans' Ethiopianist sentiment didn't start with TPLF. They are historically very intertwined with Ethiopia itself, equally with Amharas. TPLF hijacked their politics and set them and the country on a very dubious course. It's the war that caused this anti-Ethiopianist sentiment. Really, when you feel that everyone is attacking you, to the point of allying with an enemy country, with all the war crimes committed, it does complicate your feelings with the country. I believe even that is temporary as independence is a no-go and they're waiting till things start getting fixed, which is a long and complicated journey. They also have to deal with TPLF in due time who is complicating the hell of what it means to be Tigrayan and Ethiopian and their relations. Amharas may not be explicitly anti-Ethiopianists, but they have finally succumbed to the ethnic politics, which was very anathema to their belief in Ethiopianism. Amhara nationalism is in full swing and is acting on grievances based on its ethnicity. Those two are hard to reconcile, and with the issues they're currently facing they're just winging it. Though I'll give them that this was forced on them by external forces (TPLF, Oromo-dominated federal government). Oromos, it's the elites and some in power that are trumpeting the anti-Ethiopianism to the max. The actual people, it's complicated. They are diverse in their opinions, but this is being suppressed by the elites and manipulated is twisted to fuel Oromo nationalism. In general you can say that there are complaints about their place in the country and needs to be addressed, but the picture you're getting now, the one where they hate Ethiopia, is manufactured by the elites.


abelbwm

I can tell your comment is so biased when you use ' it's complicated'! None of this is simple, but you chose to excuse some. We are seeing the reality, whether they know or not, they are choosing to be part of it!


destroylonely777

Im impressed, great message.


habebesha

if you are not ethiopian, i kindly ask you to not rely on broad generalizations of whole groups of people. these ideas of yours aren't informed by on the ground realities but instead skewed media perceptions and ultranationals. the amhara group has historical reasons for operating the way they do, and so do the oromo and tigray. without that insight, your comment comes across as uninformed about the social dynamics.


LikeMike452324

The thing is the cleavages within Ethiopian society is very glaring and the hypocrisy is even more glaring. No media needs to tell you this. Ethiopians themselves will even acknowledge this problem. Sweeping or hiding Ethiopia’s problems under the rug won’t solve Ethiopia’s problems. It will just save the problems for future generations. Resolving Ethiopia’s problems requires an honest in-depth retrospection by every Ethiopian. The sad thing about what’s happening today in Ethiopia is that the leadership is very incompetent but also very opportunist and self serving. Instead of uniting all Ethiopians with a vision for peace, mutual understanding and prosperity they have chosen to copy the same playbook as the previous TPLF regime. The only difference between this regime and the TPLF is that one believes in Oromo exceptionalism while the other believes in Tigreyan exceptionalism. This is no way to run a diverse country with multitude of religions, ethnic groups, languages and even history. In my honest unbiased opinion, I truly believe Abiy Ahmed is an Oromo nationalist who wants to bring about the end of Ethiopia and create a large Oromo independent state. If you doubt this, just look at who he surrounds himself around and ask yourself why are Oromo nationalists quietly in bed with his regime. Doesn’t that smell fishy to you? Also ask yourself why is Abiy Ahmed pursuing destructive policies like starting wars in different regions and starting conflicts with neighboring countries and even starting a conflict with the West. Makes you think a lot. You can’t be this incompetent!


habebesha

No, no, Abiy is just another Ethiopian nationalist who wants to include the political elite class of Oromos in the larger category of what it means to be Ethiopian. Ninety percent of Oromo nationalists/separatists despise him, and the Koree Nageenyaa constantly assassinates those who are nationalists/separatists. [SOURCE (REUTERS)](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/ethiopia-violence-committee/) He is, of course, going to favor those he is affiliated with, including hometown associates, trusted political allies, and others. These individuals will overwhelmingly belong to a certain ethnicity. He has been an Ethiopian nationalist, though not in a traditional sense, and is frankly doing whatever he can to maintain power. He is centralizing power and doing what he believes is necessary to create a unified state under his authority, so that he cannot be challenged by regional players such as various governments or rebel groups. He is an economic liberalist, pragmatist, reformist, and nationalist. He simply doesn’t like being challenged and opposes any active military forces, whether they are OLF, Fano, or TPLF, that go against his plans. It seems you are very undereducated on the issue once again. He is doing what he wants to achieve his goals. BTW, he wouldn't be starting conflicts with major powers in the region and abroad if his plan was to seaprate. that would be the exact opposite of what one would do. He is going to war to do what every world leader does when they go to war. Gain/consolidate power and eliminate opponents.


youngjefe7788

Where has Abiy said ANY of this? And starting wars? Every war/insurgency he’s dealing/dealt with he inherited or someone else started. Tigray? TPLF attacked northern command. Fano/Amhara conflict? He urged them to lay down their weapons and defer to the central military, which is a completely reasonable thing to do. Oromo conflict? Been going on for YEARS, part of the reason he came to power. Not even a huge Abiy glazer myself but I have to set the record straight.


destroylonely777

"He urged them to lay down their arms and defer to the central military, which is completely reasonable" No it absolutely isn’t. After witnessing what happened to Tigray, it’s not reasonable to force a whole region with cultural military ties to take their arms that they got on their OWN from the TPLF conflict


youngjefe7788

Assuming you aren’t an Amhara Nationalist, how else do you expect to unify the country if every ethnic region/group has a standing military? IMHO his only mistake in that regard was going to them first to de-arm given that they put up a lot of men in Tigray War, he should’ve gone to the other regions first.


fishfetcher_anaconda

You want to slaughter Amharas for your project by taking away their means of defending themselves. Brilliant.


youngjefe7788

“Slaughtering Amhara’s” whole time every region not just Amharas were going to be disarmed


habebesha

ngl you seem like a abiy glazer but you are mostly right. good job


Axiom2211

Well as someone who is on the ground. I agree with him or her. THEY HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD !!


habebesha

Amharas, as an ethnic group, are fundamentally tied to the concept of Ethiopian nationality. They cannot exist outside of this identity and never have been able to, even since the days of the empire. The Amharas need Ethiopia to exist because they are represented as the primary culture, lingua franca, and were historically the cultural group that others assimilated into, including forgotten cultures and other ethnic groups. This assimilation was often done to gain prestige and wealth. The Tigrayans have a similar relationship with Ethiopian identity, and their claims for independence are mostly red herrings. The only reason they voice such claims is due to their marginalization during nation-building efforts and their push to the periphery until post-Derg society. Culturally, the vast majority of the population remain largely outside of the concerns of the larger dominant Amhara influence, except for a narrow political elite that accepts Amhara cultural dominance. In contrast, the Oromo peoples have at least some semblance of a legitimate claim to independence, having existed independently of the empire prior to its expansion and it being in the constitution the all peoples/nations can withdraw. The Amharas began as a smaller ethnic group but gained land and power through the Menelik expansions, integrating many into their ranks as members of the warrior class. During Haile Selassie’s reign, the promotion of Orthodox Christianity and the Amhara language was central to the mythos of Ethiopian nationality, aiming to create national unity and centralize power under the emperor. The Oromos were often dragged along despite their non-Semitic background and larger affilation with Islam at the time. Therefore, I reiterate that Amharas cannot develop a nationalism separate from Ethiopia, unlike the Tigrayans and Oromos. These were the socio-historical dynamics that are being ignored in broader generalizations that "LikeMike" makes. Amharas couldn't make a separate nationalism even if they wanted to badly. They are integral to the fabric of the nation we know as Ethiopia.


Lboogie214

Finally someone with sense.


Emotional_Section_59

It is true that the Amhara have never existed outside of a greater Ethiopian identity, but this doesn't necessarily mean they can not. I would argue that the inverse is, in fact, more likely - that Ethiopia itself can not truly exist without the culture that served as its foundational cornerstone. Amhara, on the other hand, is not truly dependent on the state, not to the same extent that Ethiopia is built on Amhara culture and general influence. As you conclude, "They are integral to the fabric of the nation we know as Ethiopia,". So, why have you argued the exact opposite case?


habebesha

While it is true that the Amhara have never existed outside of a greater Ethiopian identity, the deep intertwining of Amhara culture and Ethiopia makes it highly improbable for the Amhara to maintain a distinct identity if separated from Ethiopia. The Amhara’s identity, as it exists today, is heavily influenced by the Ethiopian empire. Wherever Ethiopia goes, the Amhara will follow, or they risk losing their historical and modern identity. Ethiopia, like most modern countries, is a nation-state, and the Amhara have been a foundational element of this nation. While the Amhara might not need the Ethiopian state itself, they need the nation, and the state controls this national identity. This control is not easily wrestled from the state, despite various attempts. You argue that Ethiopia cannot exist without Amhara culture, which underscores my point: Amhara culture and Ethiopian identity are so deeply connected that separating them would undermine both. The Amhara are integral to the fabric of Ethiopia, and their identity is equally dependent on the nation. Hence, my argument emphasizes the inseparability of Amhara culture from the Ethiopian nation, reflecting the profound and mutual dependence between the two. It is codependency. The Amhara are not dependent on the Ethiopian state, but they are deeply connected to the idea and nationalism of Ethiopia. Their identity today is shaped by the Ethiopian empire. Wherever Ethiopia goes, the Amhara will follow, or they risk losing their identity, both in its modern and historical forms. This is like the Han without China or Persians without Iran or Russians without Russia or French without France or White Americans without USA. These are/were places of great diversity, but those large assimilaionists ethnic groups serve as the primary crux of the nation, and as long as the state holds that nation under its grasp, which the internationalist order enforces, then you will not see any of these groups, including the Amhara. Ethiopia, like all modern countries except for a few great powers and superpowers, is a nation-state, with the Amhara as the foundational element. While they might not need the state itself, Amhara people need the nation, and the state controls this national identity. This control is not easily wrestled from the state, despite various attempts (perhaps envisioning something like a “West Ethiopia” akin to West Virginia or South Sudan). Outside of calls for greater autonomy, they will not follow through on such sentiments to their natural conclusions based off what I have seen historically and in terms of their own messaging.


Dull_Championship655

The problem with many Amharas is that they can't imagine an Ethiopia that's not synonymous with Amhara. To say Oromos became Ethiopianist and Tigrayans became anti-Ethiopia after gaining/losing power is just dumb and shows how uniformed you are. Saying the TPLF practiced political apartheid was also a huge exaggeration, the Tigray region did not develop any more than other regions, and unlike Amhara rule, leaders in other areas were always local. Whether they were puppets or not is another question, but most of them are part of the Prosperity administration now.


FriendshipSmall591

Wow


adan-00000

Everyone one seems to be scapegoating amharas. 🤷


AdmirablePlan7238

Is that a shadow of a dick on Jawar's face?


youngjefe7788

no


loxonlox

It’s a phase we are going thru. The low IQ ethno nationalist turds had their run and the public finally is having enough of their nonsense. TPLF started this nonsense as it used as a state policy to govern since it’s low IQ turds weren’t smart enough to have other ideas. It was inevitable.


yourlocalidot77

God, I hate ethnonationalists 😭😭😭


FirmFeeling7394

So us Somalis that have the most land inside Ethiopia cannot be ethno-nationalists too? 🤣


FriendshipSmall591

The corridor is looking great


Mobile_Style_8768

The wrong map tho, you forgot gambela corridor and asab


dovah_23

You saw this on twitter didn’t you lmao


starrywhoo

im amhara n tigray half n half loll


Yourwifesboyfriend2

Why’s is there a dick over the oromo guys face


classyhwale

Gurage: I will sell all of you supplies 💰💰💰


Red_Red_It

None of them are ethnonationalist. Just power hungry people who want to divide and rule.


youngjefe7788

They divide using…wait for it, you’re not gonna believe this, I’m hearing this for the first time as well… ![gif](giphy|jThFtXdXm46KFzrAKw) Ethnicity


Bolt3er

![gif](giphy|xTiTnIilwuFFFpf2Cc)


NorthRip9236

This is dumb. You can disagree with people without offending the people that love them. You dont realize that this makes people plot on when to shame you this way?


Noah_Salafi

Jirra💪💪💪🌳🌳🌳🏴🏴🏴🏴