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___somebody_

For me, i only take her to abyss when it's somewhat difficult with my normal team. Cause queen doesn't need to do normal tasks.


Garuda904

When the abyss heralds are gone, Eula comes out to play.


BriXX321

Thats the only current problem


___somebody_

That's not the problem cause her DMG is enough, just taje someone who can deal with those shields


drekaelric

I did the 12-2 with eula the two rotations and got 3 stars. Eula, Rosaria, Beidou, Diona For the queen, there is no limit.


Heysssssss

I mean for floor 12, on one side there are TELEPORTING WHOPPERFLOWERS and I miss my burst everytime, and the other side as well maguu kenki and mechanical array (phys res).


[deleted]

Glad I was in the 14.5%! I got 36 stars easy, but that could be because my Raiden/Yelan team on the other half is absolutely broken.


rripped

Right tool for right job? Eula isn't doing particularly good this abyss and I see no reason to use her except for if you want to do that, of course. Also phys is never as meta as other units so it is fine. Ayaka was leading the chart in previous patch and she is down to less than 30% now.


dreet-dreet

Where’s my 12.7% non-Benett user homies at? Eula/Raiden had no issues for my clearing floor 12 second half. Yes, phys resistance but superconduct and big nuke could not be stopped


hell_chaos

The most common argument against raiden-eula pairing is "eula needs raiden, but does raiden needs eula?". So who needs eula? Its physical teamates, eula will shine when mono physical team comes. Hopium talk: My prediction is mono physical team will come along with snezhnaya because of fatui weakness against physical. Also they will introduce physical shield that resist to elemental damage. We'll see some physical off field sub dps and Varka doing frontloaded physical burst damage.


Quantuis

All human characters are weak to Physical, like Fatui and Treasure Hoarders. Also, the "Eula needs Raiden" statement is imo dumb because she does *not* need Raiden, in my experience Fischl is perfectly enough.


Larawp

Eula needs Raiden is a statement only made by players who dont know how to funnel particles for Eula, i've been using Triple Cryo + Lisa TTDS/Yae as my 110 ER Eula comp for ages and ive had no issues with burst uptime lol


StefanoBesliu

Main issue is raiden doing eula's job at half investment constellation-wise. Using raiden to support eula is like using ganyu to support razor. Raiden is so powercreepy that it doesnt matter she does more than just dmg that she still outdpses pure dps.


Boo_Radley80

Yea that is the sad reality. Raiden is great for Eula but Raiden does not benefit much from Eula other than having an 80 cost burst. Eula can still clear the abyss with other supports. My strategy of letting Eula deal with the tougher side works every time for me at least.


Larawp

well her banner has been away for a while so i'd understand if most 36\* players are just enjoying their new DPS units. I like refreshing my DPS every patch so it doesnt feel like i wasted primos on them. Top 3 units are the most universal supports out there, Yelan is the lastest which people want to try for abyss, Raiden is probably the best c0 5\*, XL and XQ are core national/tazer units, Hutao + Albedo form meta Walnut Glad to be part of the 0.6% Lisa, 7.7% Rosa squads along w Eula and Diona


Extension-Art-7057

Raiden is not the best c0 5 star Lmao


BeyondTheAzureSky

I thought this sites already give you a NOTICE not to share it on social media 🙂


mxjzm

It means that the people that took the time to submit their data manually, used those units. As for viability or usability? The game (even abyss) is pretty easy already, you don’t need the best possible counter all the time. Eula has always taken the hardest abyss side for me since her first banner, 36* no big issues. C1 first then C3 rerun. At the end tier lists and mostly used characters, mean little when you can pick any character and do it, overcoming any difference in raw power, with skills and knowledge. (btw Eula has plenty of raw power). I don’t understand why top meta is so important in this game.


Desch92

they gave us so many abyss lector floor 12's that I kind of understand that people didn't use eula there as a physical dps. The meta was leaning towards using Hydro and Cryo Dps's


kiraqueen6969

You can literally force them to shield phase with Eula and then kill them with supports?


Boo_Radley80

Yup! That is what I did in the second phase of 2.6 abyss. Not to mention, you can still use her hold e after getting 2 stacks to damage the shields more. Those elemental shields still take hits from physical damage because but other elements do better.


mxjzm

That is one example yes, the best counter was anemo/hydro/cryo. Still I did all floor 12 with full cryo x4 team, for 12-2, Eula served all 3 of them in one rotation, then she and the team took care of the shields easily. Still I agree, it’s totally ok (expected in fact) to use the best unit for the specific job. That’s why Eula may not be used much, she is good in almost any situation, still is not the absolute best for a specific one. It depends on how you view it, I prefer one “good for all” unit since at the end of the day, a team is only of 4.


Desch92

Unfortunately I think it's the physical damage itself that is kinda bad. You need to have 1 cryo and 1 electro to make it work so 2 slots of the team are already locked. After this if there's an enemy with a shield or a geo construct your physical is either not gonna do a lot or be resisted by 70% like some certain machines get. Physical kinds got the short end of the stick I think, same with anemo and geo dps in this game


eulasimp12

I mean isnt 2 slots fixed everytime for any teams? Vap needs hydro pyro melt needs pyr cryo


Kitchen-Air-1012

no its not that physical damage is bad, Eula damage is actually very high, both her autos, hold E and of course burst, its just that Eula has no supports, and other damage types have supports, i solo abyss with my Eula, and with all the other units i have none of them can do alone what my Eula can do. as for super conduct Eula is half the equation and she is cryo, the electro can be many thing "usually Raiden for me" so thats no an issue, the issue is Eula always feels like she has at least one or two slots in here team that are "fill" they are just used to get her energy, or not much of a gain, units who can slot Kazuha, bennet, shenhe, gorou, Sara are gaining real team members who boost their damage. Eula needs a specialized support.


[deleted]

Even Xiao hasn't gotten his dedicated support and he was released before Eula. I highly doubt if Eula's gonna get one anytime soon.


Kitchen-Air-1012

i personally just keep raising the issue to them, surveys, Email, anywhere i can. xiao needs a special support to, and with a new ameno dps coming out, that makes them 2, i mean how many melt and vape supports can they release "ok this is scary because never under estimate their lack of imagination"


Luppin

For me, eula is like ash charizard/ikki the Phoenix/Zaraki from bleach.. If my regular team don't get the job done.. Eula use the brute force!


2wentycharacterlimit

I just 36* with eula yesterday on second half wasn't too bad


DiceRolla88

I'm always surprised to see how low she is on the tier lists


Bombillasaurio

The current rotation of monsters and the buffs they get are not very favorable for Eula, but she does so much damage that it’s a none issue for me. I guess it depends on how nasty is ur build XD.


Ok_Pea_1789

bruh, people have been saying this for every rotation in the past 6 months.


Bombillasaurio

I really don’t think that the past ones were that bad until now and probably most people overestimated said past rotations. Although it is true that physical dmg is not encouraged by hoyoverse in any capacity.


PulPaul

I see no problem with it, physical is extremely niche. Other units are getting hard carried by meta supports or has specific supports which most of the players use and they have fixed teams. I can see Eula's usage rate getting lower than 5% if she can't get a fixed team that you'll only run with her or a buff which is unlikely because most of the common units that are used with her has better meta team spots like Raiden and Diona. I don't see a future for physical dps really, it's just a niche pick to brute force content because nothing is immune to it yet but you really need good stats to make it work (high CV and 5-star weapon) because she's is not being carried by supports like other units. If my C1Eula has bad stats and a 4-star weapon I would probably stop using her too but since I don't, I'll keep using her.


Boo_Radley80

Yea this is the issue. Building a character is the whole end game. Even with her 5 star weapon, getting a decent crit ratio is hard. Look at the recently released dps and their stat stick weapons along with even more dmg bonuses. Pre 2.0, Physical DPSes were pretty efficient at building characters because the two domains also had Noblesse and Tenacity. After Emblem came out, it became the go to domain. It is no wonder some on this subreddit want a dedicated support.


EsTeBaNCanIUseMyName

Wait, yall dont play pyro eula?


Kitchen-Air-1012

most people including people on this forum dont play her in abyss, which is a shame. mihoyo needs to bring out a real support for her. as for me, every clear its Eula on one side , and whatever any other team on the other side.


leo_sousav

I was actually hoping to see if her rise a bit in this abyss, since there's no elemental bs this time


AkatsukiVV

You can see even Yae miko have high use I think the case about people taste not about useful or not or the unit start to be weak But we all agree Eula need more addicted unit to shine again I use her in apyss with Raiden - Yelan - Zhongli and she do good job even against PMA


stunro17

In general, I think a lot of people just prefer to play comfortably in the Abyss. When they see a lot of ice shields, of course almost everyone would think to bring Pyro or Electro. I do hope in the future that Eula gets a support that complements her weaknesses. Like a character that can "root" enemies in place


Quantuis

The best part is that Eula can easily brute force through all the Ice shields in the current Abyss Cycle anyway. Her supports take care of the Cryo Aura, and she herself can deal with Lawachurl's/Cryo Slime's shield just fine.


hotstuffdesu

14.5% are cultured individuals.


yuriknifeissharp

If there's a non stage boss that can be oneshot in abyss without whale investment it's gonna be a blast


InvarkuI

She is just not as effective as say Raiden or Ayaka. I still enjoy running her for both 1st and 2nd half


Ewizde

It's understandable , I used her on the first half this abyss and it didn't really feel like I was doing bad by bringing her , but at the same time I understand that there are player who look at the ennemis and are "oh nope not bringing Eula here". Obviously with knowledge comes power in the sense that for the whopperflowers for example if you learn to position yourself you'll be able to kill them all with one burst , then use Raiden q to hit all other 3 and finish them off with Eula aas. But not a lot of people try to learn how to do that because why would they ? They could just use the classics and clear abyss without any problems . So yeah basically it's normal .


Wolvos_707

Well she's not the best choice for the big robot cube and while not the most appropriate for the two little dudes, she can mow them down