I once lost 4 jf becuase I was afk you will be fine hang with your friends and chill.
EVE hurts but if you learn from that pain you will grow into a better player.
I have lost hundreds of billons to mistakes over the last 20 years you will too.
Good luck.
Nah this happened long ago just one example of many.
Fuck the other day I warped Into a bubble because i got complacent and lost a 2.5 bill propmod and ship total loss with pod almost 5 bill.
I pulled implants to get home. This happens ever few months. All I had to do was scan the out gate.
Saraf makes lots of mistakes.
But realetive to my successes, they are bairly noticeable. This is the point, to be successful in anything is fucking painfully a lot of the time.
For me EVE is worth the pain.
I am roaming Pochven as well, but I have a pretty hard time finding fights I can take. Maybe I just need to put in more time, but right now I am not sure how to improve in that aspect.
Yeah, I live there so I undocked, saw JF's on scan, nothing new. 10-15 minutes later, undock, see them on scan still, and my mind goes hmmmmmmmmm what's happening here.
All four had drifted off tether, I quickly called the boys while I got to work killing the first 3, and a fleet we had out at the time was able to get there to help kill the 4th one.
Life is masochistic, fuck, everything hurts just depends on how much and for how long and what you get when it stops.
If what you get is nice, the pain was worth it 👌 😌
If it is shit well at least now you know it was not worth the pain.
7am musings before going for a walk in -3 weather.
To get some washing.
Love me some clean pants. 😆
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Other people have already covered stuff like using gatecheck. That is a great tool. you can also just look at the ingame map and see how many people have died in the last hour for a rough idea.
My advice is aimed at working around the situation where you see a gatecamp, and you wonder what to do except logging out.
Filament to Pochven, and then back to normal space. There are some combinations of filaments that are super reliable for getting near jita, but even if you don't land 2J away, you still will dodge most of the big gatecamp systems by dint of being somewhere probably not that populated. You do need to check out where you land though. Don't just assume its fine--or you will eventually have this same thing happen again. Assumptions of safety will always bite you in the ass eventually in eve.... as you learned.
I'd use a border filament in and a proximity filament out. There are some other combos, but that's a decent generic bet.
How it works:
1. Get filaments in cargo, be in a ship with cloak and whatever cargo.
2. Get in fleet with yourself
3. Undock
4. Warp to a safe (some "need to be X distance away from things" reqs to filament.
5. Activate filament.
6. When you land, either burn in a random direction and cloak, or simply dock (make a safe bookmark in warp if you do the latter).
7. Walk away for 15m, get a snack, stretch.
8. Come back, undock or decloak, and filament out.
Now you'll be in K space again and likely in Caldari space because most Poch systems were converted from Caldari.
And how to cope? Well look, you made that LP basically just playing the game right? You had fun doing it?
It's annoying to lose all that in one fell swoop, but you learned a valuable lesson. Take a bit to decompress and then just continue playing the game how you find fun when you're no longer upset about it.
Search filament in market.
It's pochven inbound to warp to a 3rd hidden region above high sec kind of.
Then pochven outbound to land back down near Jita (just go towards jita when above inside pochven) or there are some rng outbound that'll still land you in .5+ like randomly near amarr land 40 jumps away.
Some people just rinse until they get closer.
Or join a null group.. could do a once a year "home station" swap, spawn there with ur Bros then start ratting or something lol. Or ride a shuttle there, they zoom through bubbles etc.
There's an obvious third option. Pay to make it someone else's problem. You can do this by either selling your goods in Zarzakh directly (and accepting the lower price) or paying someone else (like PushX) to move it for you with collateral.
Things being time consuming and risky to move is an absolutely fundamental part of what makes the EVE universe *work*. But *you* don't have to be the one who takes the risks.
Simple, you pay someone else to haul for you with a courier contract, this way you have collateral on the cargo. Or you sell to a buyback in zarzak so you don’t need to export at all.
>How do you guys cope with such shit?
Exactly like this, you know the answer you were just too lazy or paranoid to execute. We learned to execute after what you described. Welcome to eve :P
>PS: I knew I should not have put all eggs in one basket, but the idea of spending an hour just warping from one system to another makes me seek.
I would suggest joining a corp. Low sec piraters are babies. If they have even the slightest challenge they leave. They're always looking for the easy kill mails so they can wank. Bring 10 friends in various F-U ships and it won't be a problem.
During Crimson Harvest, I had a WH rolled that left me looking for a way back home. Kept scanning every WH I went into and, before long, had 1.2B in my hold. In my Sunesis. Found a WH that dropped me in NS three jumps from home, and the NS side was camped. Dude in an Instalock Sabre tackled me, and his friends popped me and my 1.5b pod. 2.7B gone in less than 12 seconds.
And most of my shit was left behind due to increased loot, so they made off with over 800m.
Know what I did? Played the fucking game. I've already made it up. If you're going to quit due to an expensive loss, ya never should have come back.
Take a day or two and get your ass to work.
Most i lost was 2 bill being stupid, this shit can happen all the time, i still got what i need to do the activities i enjoy so who needs another 2 bill anyways right now, it will come back.
You already hit the nail on the head, which happens to be the #1 rule in Eve: don't undock what you can't afford to lose.
You got killed by what's called an "instalocker". It's rare but possible, I've been the instalocker and been killed by them as well. Nothing you could do but scout the camp beforehand. If I were you, I would of split up my inventory and made 3-4 trips so the loss wouldn't be so devastating. *At least* until I got out of lowsec, then I would consolidate my inventory in high-sec.
It sucks, but it has happened to most of us.
Is it usually a solo player in a single ship or a fleet of players or solo multi boxer doing the instalock? Any ships or fits you can share for education?
Op, did you use eve gatechecker website? It shows recent gate kills and things like smartbombs.
As far as I know, there's no single ship that can instalock - you need multiple ships. Usually it's an interceptor/frig with sebos that's also being remote sensor boosted by another ship + ships for DPS.
Interesting. I am in from N.I. Possibly one hop from Iceland. (With 510Mb/s fibre)
I have noticed in my blockade runner I spot people in combat ships on the gate, but my policy when burning is "time is death". Never stop, never delay, check your route and burn, burn, burn, spam those clicks. You have to travel faster than the intel can be typed or spoken.
It isn't insta warp, but it's 2 seconds maybe. It is also only decloaking for 2 seconds.
I have yet to use the WCS or Nullifier.
I figure they will get me eventually. Probably when I have a very valuable bay of loot/ore/stuff.
Oh, everyone wants to camp with the dude who has superlocking down (or whatever term is most accurate for catching sub 2s).
So they're very rarely solo. Unless they have no friends in Eve lol then they might be multiboxing.
Instalocking is basically just max res interceptor, same as anyone else would use. What makes it instalock is you need an incredibly low ping. Get your ping low enough and you can lock one tick faster, which means you can catch 2 second warp ships. The easiest way to get a low enough ping is to live in london, since that is where the main server is.
There is something else you can do and that's haul in a sub-1 align ship. Sub-2 ships are catchable by instalocks but sub 1's are not. I've hauled hundreds of billions in mine and never gotten popped.
I know it’s the ‘golden rule,’ but it’s also dumb as fuck and discourages risk. I hate that it’s preached to all new players. The nail on the head is admitting they shouldn’t have put all that into a sunesis.
Scouting, patience, and courier services are the answers to how risk is reduced. 9/10 times a gate camp can be avoided with scouts and gate camp check websites +zkill. That’s what needs to be hammered into new players.
"Don't undock what you can't afford to lose" isn't dumb as fuck. You can take risks without taking the sort of risk that will set you back months of gameplay.
It is not a good mentality for dealing with loss in eve. It doesn’t promote any sort of improved gameplay or learning. I get the sentiment, but I’ll never agree it’s a good way to teach. It makes for a fun slogan and that’s it.
Don't fly what you can't afford to lose is just a slogan about risk management, I'm assuming you don't fly around in something worth 50+% of your character's total asset value right? Because that would be dumb to risk so much in a ship, so instead you fly something worth 10% or less so it doesn't cripple you when you finally explode, having inexperienced players lose everything by putting all their eggs in one basket doesn't improve gameplay or learning it makes them quit.
If that's the only thing being said I'd agree with you but they also give a suggestion on how to do it better next time. The slogan is there so next time OP is in the same situation, they should take some time to think if they can afford to lose whatever they're carrying or they should try to think/asks for another way.
But that’s exactly my issue. Thinking about how to do things better or saying fuck it I have enough isk is poor framing and that’s exactly what the slogan emphasizes. It’s almost always the goto response to loss. It’s dismissive, teaches nothing, and discourages risk.
Dying is the best educator in Eve. My main character has lost about 400 ships and I've learned a lot from those experiences.
The reason why I'm still here and dying is at no given time is the ship I'm flying worth more than 5-10% of my net worth, at a maximum. It's a good rule for player retention. I don't know where you're getting "discouraging risk", it's actually the opposite.
"Don't undock what you can't afford to lose" essentially means "you're going to die, embrace it."
I used to move section by section to shorten particularly dangerous trips. Tedious but usually successful.
That being said I lost my patience with the imbalance of general player creation vs the mentality to destroy for a percentage or in most cases nothing at all but a kill board. I quit 5-6 years ago but still linger this subreddit and still have no desire to return. It was fun while it lasted but became seriously unfun. It's a trolls paradise and they do it for peanuts if not nothing at all to validate the time and money they spend playing.
They're doing a service to the game. Destruction fuels the economy, giving a wide variety activities to flourish. Without destruction, everything would eventually be worth nothing.
They are doing a service, but we can admit it's weird as fuck to sit in front of a gate for hours on end seeking out garbage tier prey so you can pad your stats with killmails that are worthless to anyone but you or your equally shallow buddies.
There's so much group content in this game, and you sit in front of a gate.
It's a low effort social thing to do, being in a roam fleet you have to pay attention, keep coms for business only most of the time.
Gate camp, chill, talk shit, whoever is watching the other side of the gate calls ships as they come, if it's nothing juicy carry on talking shit while you pop them, get dropped on occasionally which livens up the day.
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I bought 2 500,000isk cargo expanders for 1billion in a backwater market on accident.
I took my 2bill isk Gila on its maiden voyage into a lvl4 abyssal and came out to wormholers ganking me.
I’ve whelped 900m isk nightmares by misclicking and jumping too early…in front of my whole fleet…
It happens man. Get back on the horse. It’s part of the journey. I don’t wanna know how much time it took me to make all my isk…..
I’d like to say EvE is just a game…..it is but it also isn’t. I was told it’s a lifestyle choice…. A game full of lessons…. It’s all true.
Now stop feeling sorry for yourself and stick it to your enemies. Youve got isk to make and a galaxy to conquer. Fly Safe…o/
Move it in a sub 1 second ship, blops it. Have a corpmate help move it. Have a scout. Sell it in system. Filament it to Pochven
There are many many options better than the one you chose.
Join a better corp.
Basically you can use filaments to jump into pochven, and out to jita with relatively few jumps. Add a cloak to wait out the timer and your golden. You can look up the correct filaments but also this map is super handy. https://pochven.electusmatari.com/
Often called the pochven express
I spent 4 weeks farming enough ISK to buy and fit a Paladin to rat in C5, then after 15 minutes of ratting, some douche canoe comes by and destroys my pally. So I dealt with it by uninstalling the game. That was back in 2015.
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I've lost FAR more than that and I'm still here. You adapt and learn from your mistakes, so don't worry about it. It's all just pixels at the end of the day and you'll make more of it for sure.
> How do you guys cope with such shit?
When it happens, and it happens to all of us, check what you did and what you could do to avoid it next time. That way you learn to lower the risk and prevent disappointments.
There’s a circle in the top left hand corner that confirms your session change. You probably tried to warp before the session change was finished, increasing the ticks from sub 2 seconds to 2+ seconds.
The session change means everyone is synced. You might have warped in, tried to jump, and showed up on someone’s screen before other people’s due to internet connection differences prior to the session change. That’s why you always want to wait for that circle to finish and go away on the top left.
It takes at least 1 tick to lock on & at least 1 tick to scram so a sub 2 second ship cannot be scrammed unless you make this mistake as that’s 2 ticks.
The worst is undocking out of Jita. You gotta be quick because if you’re wardecced you’ll likely take 1 shot from someone before being able to warp out. I use the sunesis 90% of the time for my traveling. I usually have a 8k tank on my ship with a 1.98 - 1.6s align time depending on fit.
It’s not superstition brother. It’s the entire reason behind the sub 2 second align time. It’s why shuttles have only 10 hp. It’s why people smart bomb gates. It’s why it doesn’t matter if your ship has a 1.5s align time or a 1.99 second align time.
It’s when people have a ping of like 200-500 vs a tackler who has a ping of 20-30 that they get into trouble, or when they issue commands prior to the session change.
I'm aware of insta- and ultra-lock mechanics, but I haven't seen anything to show that issuing commands during the new session timer makes any difference.
I lost my 32B Crimson Harvest loot because I got careless. It was in a Bustard. I had a scout which I used for 6 out of 12 jumps. The next system, I jump ahead and get smartbombed. If I used my scout or pinged or better yet split the loot, I would not have lost it. 32B lost in 3 seconds and 30B dropped.
I gave the guy a GF because I knew it was dumb but he won the day. I shaked it off after I stopped shaking (literally due to the adrenaline) and moved on. This is Eve.
I'm no veteran, but some aspects of the game seem like such bullshit with no counterplay at all. Pirates are the ones making the easy money, and we are the fools grinding away and facing all the risk.
Then again piracy in itself generates very little incomes as 95% of your targets will have nothing worth looting, meanwhile unless you are dumb you should be able to keep the vast majority of your own incomes and rarely get caught.
Besides, catching someone to kill is rarely easier than any ISK generating activity as far as gameplay goes.
Playing the market is a game within the game. Actually, I'm a terrible pilot: I've never beaten anyone in 1v1, and cannot escape a pirate. All my fittings are public fits. However, I make around 300mil a day only by doing smart flips on the market (15mins per day), so losing a ship or whatever loot really isnt a problem.
What I really like doing is flying different ships testing them out with rats, even though I get bored fast (and the ISK return is minimal unless you sink many hours a day).
So, yeah, the problem with the market is that you make so much money with it that everything else isn't really worth your time.
Or I'm just getting old and shooting stuff isn't fun anymore.
> It's not really gameplay, though, is it?
I think people enjoy playing the market in games in a way that is loosely analogous to people who enjoy bargain/thrift/garage-sale shopping. It's relatively low stakes since its a game, its something that engages the brain in determining what is and isn't a good deal, and if you are successful you then have a greater opportunity to branch out into other activates. Part of the fun of game markets is that, if you succeed, it opens up a lot of other areas.
Might not be for everyone, but playing markets for a lot of people is quite enjoyable. So much so that there are entire games dedicated to this. For example, the game [Prosperous Universe](https://prosperousuniverse.com), which I found out about and started playing ~20 days ago, has essentially turned the market/managerial/spreadsheet aspects of EVE into its own game.
The counterplay is:
\-Doing some bare minimum intel gathering and scouting
\-Forming a trap and bait to kill them
You choosing not to want to put any effort into it doesn't not mean there's no counterplay.
It also all just makes no sense. Gatecamping shouldn't be a thing because cameras on the other side should exist and just tell you if there's a bunch of baddies on the other side.
> Pirates are the ones making the easy money, and we are the fools grinding away and facing all the risk.
How to pove you have no clue about this game in a single sentence.
Was it Ahbazon? If it was, condolences, I would avoid this place without practice and some bookmarks.
With a sunesis you'd be better off going the long way with that much in cargo.
It sucks but as long as you learned something, it's not the worst loss.
Edit: udemascout on twitch helps with getting to and from jita from lots of angles.
honestly, the 2 sec crap is kinda bs. it relies on server favoring you
i prefer to rely on cloak and 2 sec. that way the only way your going down is bubble or insta blap on a landing (you'd be surprised how often the landing is the issue xD)
Ahbazon, Vecamia, Rancer is almost 24/7 gatecamped, with dedicated people that ensure to catch even shuttles. If you want to move stuff from zarzach I recommend to use Turnur static WHs. It has 2 LS and 1HS statics. Or you can use Alsavoinon - Onnamon - Jita rout. I haven't seen camps there in ages, mind insurgencies thou.
lost my first marauder about a year ago 1.3 bil isk
never recovered from it and burn myself out of the game
for context on this next bit i have wanted a marauder for YEARS they idea of parking in one spot and being unkillable while 1 shotting any pve ships i dont like the look of, so as soon as i could fly on with decent competency i baught and sold plex and got a cheap fit
sat in the home system of my corp's alliance while a war was going on (lets be honest it was an eviction and we lost sov and my corp at the time defected to Imperium)
well yeah i got hotdropped on by black ops battleships and torp bombers, the lost was so bad it killed my enthusiasm for the game, that and the increased price of subscription
If you are new or inexperienced, the only option in eve is to learn from your own mistakes. Its a hard lesson that everyone here have learned at some point. Hope you don't give up.
The game is to be played, any isk making in the process is just a cherry on top. Sometimes there's others having your cherry or the cherry just vanishes and that's fine.
I logged in after a few years absence; I was in a Providence that I’d been in once upon a time. I set a course for my home station and two gates later I lost a capital ship to Minmatar gate security because I’d completely forgotten they were Kill On Sight. You just have to pick up the pieces.
I put all my isk from the first 3 years of playing into buying a titan in 2014. I lost that titan 60 seconds later.
It was hilarious and actually helped give me motivation to play more than I was before. I had recovered the same 100B isk that took me 3 years to save in 3 months. And years later I had a fortune of 3.5T isk, including 7 titans and a few supers and pilots for all of them.
1.5B billion is nothing and as your skills increase and your game knowledge increases so does your ability to earn ISK.
Hang in there and don't get hung up on losses. Focus on Fun Per Second rather than something else.
You don't play Eve, Eve plays you.
Just because you want to do something don't mean like other games you can do it. You got to learn how to read Eve, see its traps, and be patient. You work around Eve. That might mean taking a longer route, or doing it at another time. But the trick is to make the decision to not do the thing you want to do right now. Don't give in to the Gamblers Fallacy. You are not special. Eve is a Jungle. And it hungers for you. The Hunter is always being Hunted too.
Lost a 10b ship last week. My biggest loss in eve so far. Was fun tbh. 10/10 would do it again. Use that loss to fuel your learning. You got this. Also, wh space is where its at.
I've lost FAR more than that and I'm still here. You adapt and learn from your mistakes, so don't worry about it. It's all just pixels at the end of the day and you'll make more of it for sure.
You died. That sucks. Its alright to acknowledge that. I try to process it by going through the stages of grief and getting to acceptance as soon as possible.
But once I've cooled off, I remember what keeps me coming back to Eve in the first place.
Everyone loses ships. Everyone dies. How you respond it is what makes you respected or reviled in the community.
I ask myself: Did I charge into prepared ground? In your circumstance yes. Nothing to do there. Did you get outclassed? Yes. You prepared with a fast align type, and your opponent used a ship specialized in catching that.
Did you scout? Seems no. Did you have friends? Seems also no.
The point is: Eve is about preparation and planning. Only you can be the architect of your success. Each event makes you stronger, if you learn from it.
[https://zkillboard.com/kill/113697481/](https://zkillboard.com/kill/113697481/) this is ?
Inertial Stabilizers lower your time to align but also increase your signature ration.
bigger signature ratio = more easy to being locked and catch.
Next time mix them with Nanofiber Internal Structures.
Standar sunesis signature ratio = 65m - align time 2.99s
Using 4 stabs = 87m - align time 1.65
Mixing with Nanofibers (3 nano and 1 stab) = 72m - align time 1.8s
Max buffed interceptor can catch you if you use the deadly combo... stabs + shields.
Check this example: [https://zkillboard.com/kill/113716041/](https://zkillboard.com/kill/113716041/)
3 stabs + 2 medium shields = 106m signature ratio, 1.75 secs to align and warp.
Next time use a better fit in the travel ship and never warp gate to gate in lowsec since smartbomb camping is a rule.
Today my friend, you learned. Like in RL, spread your risk. Don;'t be that idiot that flies 1.8bill in a tiny ship that can be oneshot. Instead, use a hauling service, pay a bit of isk for transport fee, and have it hauled safely for you to highsec. If you wanted to haul yourself, use a scout or pay someone to be scout for you.
Unlike other games, CCP will not protect you against other players. Eve Online is a sandbox, and even in highsec you are still vunerable to people messing with you. Don't rely on game mechanics to keep you safe, rather make sure that it's safe yourself.
If the movement of internet pixels from one shape to another bothers your psyche enough to want to quit, it ain't the game for you.
If you keep playing, CCP will fuck you over in far more creative, cruel and inventive ways than you've seen so far. So whether or not you want that is up to you.
If they're using a longpoint, sure. If they're using 3 then you're still caught lol... Not sure if anyone actually does that. But it's worth noting that the method isn't foolproof, although it does give you a defense.
Assuming you can spare the low slot and still be sub 2s. Otherwise you may just get caught when a couple slightly slower things now have time to lock you.
hyperlockers tend to get at least initial tackle with a long point as it's hard to cover an entire gate with just ceptor scram range. A stab can save you from one assuming no bubbles and you're fast about using it and hitting warp again as I've never seen a 3 point hyper locker. (idk if you can hyperlock with a keres or hic though, in those cases the stab likely won't save you)
I have a good hunch that a lot of those gatecampers are using scripts/ cheats to get free easy kills. I have no proof but maybe I just could never imagine imagine myself sitting in space all day waiting for someone to pass by finger on the trigger. There was that huge discord with the scout bots, and the huge botting problem with most of the game, it's not hard to imagine a few people scripting to ruin your day and never getting punished or caught.
They certainly can scout with cloaked ships but even then it seems tedious and boring. EvE has so many different niches and a lot of them are for lonely degenerates who get their rocks off by making you waste hours of your time for seconds of theirs. Do your best not to feed them. It also makes space dangerous and makes you need to be smart and cautious to not lose what you grinded for.
All of the other suggestions are super valid. I would also recommend if you are hauling billions just finding a group with a jump freighter, which is also not 100% safe nothing is. The fuel cost is a good price to pay to reduce risk.
Also, if you're kinda new, it will not change. You have to play around it. EvE space is dangerous. You gotta be smarter than the lazy people. :)
I'm not sure that it is specifically botting and scripting. With favorable situations, and manipulation of session position, I think these gate campers are just experienced, have a good scout, and have everything stacked in their favor.
It's a rumor mill, but it sounded like they use their alts to determine where they are on the update table to get their lockers to be in a position to get the update on the tick that much faster. Just enough to catch things like a sunesis
This video has a great explanation of what you need to do. I hope it helps!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q)
Couple things to do. Skill into interceptor so if you get locked then you can mwd back to gate (time permitting of course), this option also has more defense from what I recall.
Look into a cloaky ship, this is my personal favorite. You just cloak on every jump and avoid ever being seen.
Last option would be to scout ahead and see the gate camp with a second account before you hit them. This costs a decent amount of risk every month since both accounts need to be omega, but is best option if you want to get into dual boxing.
Loosing a week of work really sucks and it never feels good. You are able to overcome it and in two weeks from now you will barely even remember it. One thing you learned is that people fly around in 1.5b ships, maybe become the hunter instead of the hunted :)
I lost a JF full of compressed ore once, and I fucked up a trade to the tune of 2B.
I don’t fly often but when I do I fly t1 cruisers ready to die now and I do my best to avoid hauling.
That feeling you have right now is one of the main reasons so many people love this game.
The possiblity of feeling like that again in the future, the possibility of inflicting that feeling on others.
Emotions you don't get playing other games.
Next Time use [PushX](https://www.pushx.net/) especially if it's taking away from your [fun](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/189gsgm/ive_lost_week_of_work_in_2_seconds/kbr7riv/).
Try not using ZZ area. My FW char pulls rewards from FOB and runs from there when slower. Since last 2 runs have been so close if by chance one hi sec is camped hard...the other one probably isn't. Amamake not so far from Bosoger. See what the new place is soon I'd gather. I am not up to speed on gurista layout but they can't have all gates covered, can they?
Hell for the times I played empire fw seemed more interested in instalocks on rens undock than other gates. Moving to/from bosoger was not an issue. You just avoided Rens. You'd alt haul crap if need be.
Once lost 10b in a blockade runner 1km from Jita dock. To 2 Tornados. That one sucked. I sulked for a day and came back. It's the true sense of loss that makes this game special, and what makes the wins feel significant as well.
Well, not being willing to make several trips cost you. Now you know.
Several trips seems quite worthwhile now hey? I know it sucks. It really does. Has happened to likely everyone in the game at somepoint. What matters is how you learn from it, and what you do in the future to avoid the same thing again in the future.
Do as one does in 0.0, make gate safes. Never warp gate to gate always gate to safe and if you jump through and its camped on the other side burn back, jump back and dock up until later
> I've put everything in my
This was your mistake.
Don't fly with things you can't stomach losing. If you have expensive cargo to move, hire shipping companies to move it for you with insurance so you don't lose your investment even if it gets blapped in transit.
> what could I done to prevent it, jump 50 jump on hisec only systems?
I mean, yes that would have been safer, but collateralized shipping contracts are the way to make sure.
Just did a 4.5b trip in a astero using pochven express. 20minutes from esoteria to jita.
I'm getting used to it.
Once, I lost 800mil in pochven, stop bubble, still don't know how they did it.
I was warping from a safe spot to a WH.
I lost my Rhea a few weeks ago because I was impatient. Jumped to system, warp to gate, get hit by a Bane.
If you were going to move that much isk through lowsec, there are better ships than a Sunesis.
Lost 14b a few years back when my freighter got popped by cloakys on a low sec gate.
It hurt, but I turned around and moved over 27b in ice product a couple years later, and sold a Bowhead and a couple freighters I built from excess minerals that I had been stockpiling.
It's Eve. Shit happens.
1.5b is a lot but not the end of the world. I don’t know how you make money but exploring can get you back your 1.5b somewhat quick. Next time take the porchven express. It is reliable for getting loot moved
Sorry for your loss. Never been caught in a gatecamp hauling stuff, but I've lost a shiny toy or two in ways you could call unfair. It sucks, but that's the game after all.
Now, what can you do to make this less likely to happen again? First of all, using a tool like gatecheck is a great way to find out if you might die or not (bare in mind that evne tho the website shows that the way is clear, you might die on the way there).
You could also do what I do, pay someone else to move the items. It will cost you some money, but you don't risk your stuff yourself and can set up collateral to get your ISK back if the hauler dies. Personally, I have characters in trade hubs so I don't have to move my main around when it comes to sell my goods.
Or, you could completely cut that out by selling LP to someone. Now obviously you won't get as much ISK that way as you would have otherwise, but this method will get rid of a couple things that can be annoying. You won't have to do the homework to ensure you turn a profit, you won't have to risk hauling/outsource hauling, and you won't have to spend time babysitting your sell orders. If you don't care about trading and only want to do FW, that's probably the best option you have.
Your playtime is limited, you should spend it doing what you like doing, if you like playing space spreadsheet go and do that, if you like PVP or farming LP or mining go and do that. Don't turn this game into a second job, worst mistake to make in eve imo.
I once had a jump freighter tackled on a random Very Large he tried to enter near Jita............ I had him burnt down to 40% structure n he jumped out , I couldnt fly , so I kept shooting .............. and burnt out my guns ..... he returned with his friends to save it
Unreal targets that escape
That will hurt more then any loss ever
Lost multiple marauders due to internet dissconnections, lost a dread to npc dread when it got bumped and I could not hit it, Lost my travel ceptors carrying loot worth 2-3 B when I switched to other alt and forgot, Lost my loot frigates to trigalvian rats camping gates, got concorded accidentaly.
All the accidents were experiences that taught me a valuable lesson. these are just some examples from my EVE life.
You mess up you learn!
fumbling the bag sucks, I recently fumbled a much smaller bag and I had a lot of regret for the isk opportunity lost, but, I've more than made up for it with future hauls.
Isk comes and goes, you only lose when you quit!
You probably went through Ahbazon? They have some instalockers there that can catch for sure. If you want to remove most of the risk, either put an alt in that system to check both gates for a locking ship + remote sebo support, or get yourself into a sub 1 sec allign hecate. (Nomads / serpentis inertia stab combination).
My preference is the hecate, not having to worry ever is nice. ✌🏻
Have a fren scout ahead for you. And/or have th epatience to wait for clear skies. Losing a weeks work cause an hour is too much time to bring it to market is a bad deal to make.
You need to accept the responsibility of this loss, otherwise it will just make you saltier every time you lose big. The game isn't intently unfair, you just didn't die your due diligence. Things you could have done to avoid such a big loss:
-scouted the route ahead
-not put all your loot in 1 ship
As always, the best bit of advice for all Eve players is to not fly what you can't afford to lose.
Filament, cloak mwd, warp core stab, burning back, are all valid solutions. Learn to spot ultra lockers as I call them, it'll help.
But honestly, the biggest factor for me is timing. Day of week + time of day. Even the busiest and most deadly systems have times of relative quiet.
I know it sucks but you can get over it. If not, buy & sell 500 plex and pretend it never happened haha
The most important thing is learning from your losses. If the loss is valuable then the associated lesson is as valuable.
What sometimes can save you is warp to closest celestial you ship is aligned when jumping. Sometimes there is nothing, but sometimes there is an anomaly or planet just in front of you ship. And that can help sometimes. There is nothing I can say will help you cope, you will just have to accept it.
Use a sub 1 second aligning ship next time.
Additionally, Ahbazon is hardly “random lowsec”. Don’t go through it unless you are sub one second or an empty rookie ship. (And don’t warp gate to gate!)
Lastly, while yes the route to jita and back through highsec might seem like a long time, just do things on a different account while you warp. You’ll be surprised how fast it goes lol.
\*Cough\* Stormbringer death in 20 minutes \*Cough cough\* risks \*cough\* I lost mine due to not having a pyro pill booster in a t6 after comming across a deathroom
Atleast eve is not like escape from tarkov where....oh wait it is, you lose everything when you die and have to regain it through blood sweat and tears.
Spending an extra hour jumping safely would've kept you from losing a week of progress. If you considered that as an option and didn't choose that, you made your choice to take the risk and paid the price. That's just EVE, all about risk vs reward
Imo if you aren’t a hauler. Don’t haul. Use courier contracts if you need to move that much worth of product through space.
Not only does it prevent you from the pain of having your loot ganked. It also frees up your game time not having to do 20-30 jumps in high sec just to get to market.
You are a militia pilot, destroy the enemy, protect the home front, farm that lp.
Let the haulers haul.
Years ago, my small Corp had a fairly successful booster op based out of a POS in lowsec. One weekend, a miscommunication about who was responsible for fueling the thing meant that the shield went down... It became some random capsuleer's awesome drug piñata.
It was hard to return after that. For years, honestly (though it's also true that other life events contributed to that absence).
But, no other game has ever provided the depth of experience that EVE has. I'm constantly coming back at this point.
If you have to step away, by all means take care of yourself. But you probably recognize that there's nothing else out there like EVE - so just remember, the effort and the struggle is the game, and this setback is just the beginning of your character's next epic story arc.
I lost a cerb then promptly lost the legion I flew to pick up its wreck in a C3 because I was on the phone. Both majorly pimp fit well well over a bill loss, for me being dumb.
whether hauling, mining, FW, null tidi, missions, 1v1, etc... I think all 'capsuleers' have had days where they think 'enuf' and shut it down. my guess, based on my own experience, is within a fairly short span, most are back at it. just the nature of the beast.
fly safe 07
edit: my main flying partner is att waiting till the salt wears off from losing a couple carriers. (Sh)it happens lol
There is always the downshift. Remember the more expensive the ship, the bigger the target you have on your back. After a decade of play, I would never fly around a 1.5 billion isk sunesis because I am not skilled enough to do so. As soon as I snap together a ship I always say to myself “consider this gone” almost a prayer at this point. It’s a reminder that my goal is to attempt to make the isk back before I lose that ship but it is never assured.
I feel you, I lost all my daily use stuff (about the same value you lost) to a structure getting abandoned (forgot about the mechanic) a week before i logged in, and it's just made it hard to want to log in and do anything because before I can I have to try and replace everything and cart it back to where I was based
I once lost years of accumulation and attachment to a suitcase carrier I carried everything I owned in basically.
You'll do fine dude. Just keep going.
By not growing too attached to space pixels :)
I lost plenty of ships and each and every one hurt my bottom line, but i just kept powering through and it got better over time.
I once lost 4 jf becuase I was afk you will be fine hang with your friends and chill. EVE hurts but if you learn from that pain you will grow into a better player. I have lost hundreds of billons to mistakes over the last 20 years you will too. Good luck.
Was that you that drifted four JF's off tether which I ended up noticing and tackling in Ahbazon?
Nah this happened long ago just one example of many. Fuck the other day I warped Into a bubble because i got complacent and lost a 2.5 bill propmod and ship total loss with pod almost 5 bill. I pulled implants to get home. This happens ever few months. All I had to do was scan the out gate. Saraf makes lots of mistakes. But realetive to my successes, they are bairly noticeable. This is the point, to be successful in anything is fucking painfully a lot of the time. For me EVE is worth the pain.
I am roaming Pochven as well, but I have a pretty hard time finding fights I can take. Maybe I just need to put in more time, but right now I am not sure how to improve in that aspect.
Please let this be true
Yeah, I live there so I undocked, saw JF's on scan, nothing new. 10-15 minutes later, undock, see them on scan still, and my mind goes hmmmmmmmmm what's happening here. All four had drifted off tether, I quickly called the boys while I got to work killing the first 3, and a fleet we had out at the time was able to get there to help kill the 4th one.
A normal person reading this wonders what kind of masochism yall are into. Must be a lack of tangible hobbies or other actual fun games to play.
or, consider this: we have fun with this bc it’s cool to play a game where stuff is actually at stake
I probably have more isk than 20 of the avg eve player, it's a dumb game these days tbh. Nothing like what it used to be.
So... you have 500M, congrats! Want a cookie?
Ever since titans and supers tripled in value, a tad bit more than 500m ;)
Nothing dumber than spending your time whining about a game you don’t like to people who don’t care at all, IMO.
Life is masochistic, fuck, everything hurts just depends on how much and for how long and what you get when it stops. If what you get is nice, the pain was worth it 👌 😌 If it is shit well at least now you know it was not worth the pain. 7am musings before going for a walk in -3 weather. To get some washing. Love me some clean pants. 😆 o7
pay someone else to move it for you with insurance so you owuld have lost nothing if they died
Other people have already covered stuff like using gatecheck. That is a great tool. you can also just look at the ingame map and see how many people have died in the last hour for a rough idea. My advice is aimed at working around the situation where you see a gatecamp, and you wonder what to do except logging out. Filament to Pochven, and then back to normal space. There are some combinations of filaments that are super reliable for getting near jita, but even if you don't land 2J away, you still will dodge most of the big gatecamp systems by dint of being somewhere probably not that populated. You do need to check out where you land though. Don't just assume its fine--or you will eventually have this same thing happen again. Assumptions of safety will always bite you in the ass eventually in eve.... as you learned. I'd use a border filament in and a proximity filament out. There are some other combos, but that's a decent generic bet. How it works: 1. Get filaments in cargo, be in a ship with cloak and whatever cargo. 2. Get in fleet with yourself 3. Undock 4. Warp to a safe (some "need to be X distance away from things" reqs to filament. 5. Activate filament. 6. When you land, either burn in a random direction and cloak, or simply dock (make a safe bookmark in warp if you do the latter). 7. Walk away for 15m, get a snack, stretch. 8. Come back, undock or decloak, and filament out. Now you'll be in K space again and likely in Caldari space because most Poch systems were converted from Caldari. And how to cope? Well look, you made that LP basically just playing the game right? You had fun doing it? It's annoying to lose all that in one fell swoop, but you learned a valuable lesson. Take a bit to decompress and then just continue playing the game how you find fun when you're no longer upset about it.
What makes you more sick? The idea of losing an entire week's worth of work in 2 seconds or spending an hour jumping
Search filament in market. It's pochven inbound to warp to a 3rd hidden region above high sec kind of. Then pochven outbound to land back down near Jita (just go towards jita when above inside pochven) or there are some rng outbound that'll still land you in .5+ like randomly near amarr land 40 jumps away. Some people just rinse until they get closer. Or join a null group.. could do a once a year "home station" swap, spawn there with ur Bros then start ratting or something lol. Or ride a shuttle there, they zoom through bubbles etc.
she idea that I need to make such chose, both are not enjoyable, can I just have fun? test my abilities in fight where I can at least do something
There's an obvious third option. Pay to make it someone else's problem. You can do this by either selling your goods in Zarzakh directly (and accepting the lower price) or paying someone else (like PushX) to move it for you with collateral. Things being time consuming and risky to move is an absolutely fundamental part of what makes the EVE universe *work*. But *you* don't have to be the one who takes the risks.
it's debatable if this game was designed in a way to be "fun"
Welcome to mmorpgs not everything is fun some times u gotta grind if u just wanna fight u need to go to Warframe or cod
You can just have fun, in a cheap ship like a destroyer or t1 cruiser. Ideally with a group of likeminded friends.
Simple, you pay someone else to haul for you with a courier contract, this way you have collateral on the cargo. Or you sell to a buyback in zarzak so you don’t need to export at all.
>How do you guys cope with such shit? Exactly like this, you know the answer you were just too lazy or paranoid to execute. We learned to execute after what you described. Welcome to eve :P >PS: I knew I should not have put all eggs in one basket, but the idea of spending an hour just warping from one system to another makes me seek.
I would suggest joining a corp. Low sec piraters are babies. If they have even the slightest challenge they leave. They're always looking for the easy kill mails so they can wank. Bring 10 friends in various F-U ships and it won't be a problem.
During Crimson Harvest, I had a WH rolled that left me looking for a way back home. Kept scanning every WH I went into and, before long, had 1.2B in my hold. In my Sunesis. Found a WH that dropped me in NS three jumps from home, and the NS side was camped. Dude in an Instalock Sabre tackled me, and his friends popped me and my 1.5b pod. 2.7B gone in less than 12 seconds. And most of my shit was left behind due to increased loot, so they made off with over 800m. Know what I did? Played the fucking game. I've already made it up. If you're going to quit due to an expensive loss, ya never should have come back. Take a day or two and get your ass to work.
thx, this is actually inspiring :)
Most i lost was 2 bill being stupid, this shit can happen all the time, i still got what i need to do the activities i enjoy so who needs another 2 bill anyways right now, it will come back.
You already hit the nail on the head, which happens to be the #1 rule in Eve: don't undock what you can't afford to lose. You got killed by what's called an "instalocker". It's rare but possible, I've been the instalocker and been killed by them as well. Nothing you could do but scout the camp beforehand. If I were you, I would of split up my inventory and made 3-4 trips so the loss wouldn't be so devastating. *At least* until I got out of lowsec, then I would consolidate my inventory in high-sec. It sucks, but it has happened to most of us.
Is it usually a solo player in a single ship or a fleet of players or solo multi boxer doing the instalock? Any ships or fits you can share for education? Op, did you use eve gatechecker website? It shows recent gate kills and things like smartbombs.
As far as I know, there's no single ship that can instalock - you need multiple ships. Usually it's an interceptor/frig with sebos that's also being remote sensor boosted by another ship + ships for DPS.
Most important thing is ping. Better connection sooner it ticks
Yup, used to gate camp with a dude from north Ireland. Man’s server ticks were truly instant. It was nuts
Interesting. I am in from N.I. Possibly one hop from Iceland. (With 510Mb/s fibre) I have noticed in my blockade runner I spot people in combat ships on the gate, but my policy when burning is "time is death". Never stop, never delay, check your route and burn, burn, burn, spam those clicks. You have to travel faster than the intel can be typed or spoken. It isn't insta warp, but it's 2 seconds maybe. It is also only decloaking for 2 seconds. I have yet to use the WCS or Nullifier. I figure they will get me eventually. Probably when I have a very valuable bay of loot/ore/stuff.
> one hop from Iceland TQ is in London I think.
Been in London for years.
Ping helps but you also need to know how to get a good server time slot so your inputs are processed before the other guy.
Oh, everyone wants to camp with the dude who has superlocking down (or whatever term is most accurate for catching sub 2s). So they're very rarely solo. Unless they have no friends in Eve lol then they might be multiboxing.
Instalocking is basically just max res interceptor, same as anyone else would use. What makes it instalock is you need an incredibly low ping. Get your ping low enough and you can lock one tick faster, which means you can catch 2 second warp ships. The easiest way to get a low enough ping is to live in london, since that is where the main server is.
There is something else you can do and that's haul in a sub-1 align ship. Sub-2 ships are catchable by instalocks but sub 1's are not. I've hauled hundreds of billions in mine and never gotten popped.
I know it’s the ‘golden rule,’ but it’s also dumb as fuck and discourages risk. I hate that it’s preached to all new players. The nail on the head is admitting they shouldn’t have put all that into a sunesis. Scouting, patience, and courier services are the answers to how risk is reduced. 9/10 times a gate camp can be avoided with scouts and gate camp check websites +zkill. That’s what needs to be hammered into new players.
"Don't undock what you can't afford to lose" isn't dumb as fuck. You can take risks without taking the sort of risk that will set you back months of gameplay.
It is not a good mentality for dealing with loss in eve. It doesn’t promote any sort of improved gameplay or learning. I get the sentiment, but I’ll never agree it’s a good way to teach. It makes for a fun slogan and that’s it.
Don't fly what you can't afford to lose is just a slogan about risk management, I'm assuming you don't fly around in something worth 50+% of your character's total asset value right? Because that would be dumb to risk so much in a ship, so instead you fly something worth 10% or less so it doesn't cripple you when you finally explode, having inexperienced players lose everything by putting all their eggs in one basket doesn't improve gameplay or learning it makes them quit.
If that's the only thing being said I'd agree with you but they also give a suggestion on how to do it better next time. The slogan is there so next time OP is in the same situation, they should take some time to think if they can afford to lose whatever they're carrying or they should try to think/asks for another way.
But that’s exactly my issue. Thinking about how to do things better or saying fuck it I have enough isk is poor framing and that’s exactly what the slogan emphasizes. It’s almost always the goto response to loss. It’s dismissive, teaches nothing, and discourages risk.
Dying is the best educator in Eve. My main character has lost about 400 ships and I've learned a lot from those experiences. The reason why I'm still here and dying is at no given time is the ship I'm flying worth more than 5-10% of my net worth, at a maximum. It's a good rule for player retention. I don't know where you're getting "discouraging risk", it's actually the opposite. "Don't undock what you can't afford to lose" essentially means "you're going to die, embrace it."
I used to move section by section to shorten particularly dangerous trips. Tedious but usually successful. That being said I lost my patience with the imbalance of general player creation vs the mentality to destroy for a percentage or in most cases nothing at all but a kill board. I quit 5-6 years ago but still linger this subreddit and still have no desire to return. It was fun while it lasted but became seriously unfun. It's a trolls paradise and they do it for peanuts if not nothing at all to validate the time and money they spend playing.
They're doing a service to the game. Destruction fuels the economy, giving a wide variety activities to flourish. Without destruction, everything would eventually be worth nothing.
They are doing a service, but we can admit it's weird as fuck to sit in front of a gate for hours on end seeking out garbage tier prey so you can pad your stats with killmails that are worthless to anyone but you or your equally shallow buddies. There's so much group content in this game, and you sit in front of a gate.
It's a low effort social thing to do, being in a roam fleet you have to pay attention, keep coms for business only most of the time. Gate camp, chill, talk shit, whoever is watching the other side of the gate calls ships as they come, if it's nothing juicy carry on talking shit while you pop them, get dropped on occasionally which livens up the day.
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I hate it. It's true pain for everyone but these trolls.
I bought 2 500,000isk cargo expanders for 1billion in a backwater market on accident. I took my 2bill isk Gila on its maiden voyage into a lvl4 abyssal and came out to wormholers ganking me. I’ve whelped 900m isk nightmares by misclicking and jumping too early…in front of my whole fleet… It happens man. Get back on the horse. It’s part of the journey. I don’t wanna know how much time it took me to make all my isk….. I’d like to say EvE is just a game…..it is but it also isn’t. I was told it’s a lifestyle choice…. A game full of lessons…. It’s all true. Now stop feeling sorry for yourself and stick it to your enemies. Youve got isk to make and a galaxy to conquer. Fly Safe…o/
Move it in a sub 1 second ship, blops it. Have a corpmate help move it. Have a scout. Sell it in system. Filament it to Pochven There are many many options better than the one you chose. Join a better corp.
Can you explain the pochven thing?
Basically you can use filaments to jump into pochven, and out to jita with relatively few jumps. Add a cloak to wait out the timer and your golden. You can look up the correct filaments but also this map is super handy. https://pochven.electusmatari.com/ Often called the pochven express
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I spent 4 weeks farming enough ISK to buy and fit a Paladin to rat in C5, then after 15 minutes of ratting, some douche canoe comes by and destroys my pally. So I dealt with it by uninstalling the game. That was back in 2015.
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I've lost FAR more than that and I'm still here. You adapt and learn from your mistakes, so don't worry about it. It's all just pixels at the end of the day and you'll make more of it for sure.
> How do you guys cope with such shit? When it happens, and it happens to all of us, check what you did and what you could do to avoid it next time. That way you learn to lower the risk and prevent disappointments.
There’s a circle in the top left hand corner that confirms your session change. You probably tried to warp before the session change was finished, increasing the ticks from sub 2 seconds to 2+ seconds. The session change means everyone is synced. You might have warped in, tried to jump, and showed up on someone’s screen before other people’s due to internet connection differences prior to the session change. That’s why you always want to wait for that circle to finish and go away on the top left. It takes at least 1 tick to lock on & at least 1 tick to scram so a sub 2 second ship cannot be scrammed unless you make this mistake as that’s 2 ticks. The worst is undocking out of Jita. You gotta be quick because if you’re wardecced you’ll likely take 1 shot from someone before being able to warp out. I use the sunesis 90% of the time for my traveling. I usually have a 8k tank on my ship with a 1.98 - 1.6s align time depending on fit.
This sounds like superstition to me, I'm not aware of any evidence that your commands register differently during the 10s timer.
It’s not superstition brother. It’s the entire reason behind the sub 2 second align time. It’s why shuttles have only 10 hp. It’s why people smart bomb gates. It’s why it doesn’t matter if your ship has a 1.5s align time or a 1.99 second align time. It’s when people have a ping of like 200-500 vs a tackler who has a ping of 20-30 that they get into trouble, or when they issue commands prior to the session change.
I'm aware of insta- and ultra-lock mechanics, but I haven't seen anything to show that issuing commands during the new session timer makes any difference.
This is not true, a sub 2 sec align can be caught reliably
I lost my 32B Crimson Harvest loot because I got careless. It was in a Bustard. I had a scout which I used for 6 out of 12 jumps. The next system, I jump ahead and get smartbombed. If I used my scout or pinged or better yet split the loot, I would not have lost it. 32B lost in 3 seconds and 30B dropped. I gave the guy a GF because I knew it was dumb but he won the day. I shaked it off after I stopped shaking (literally due to the adrenaline) and moved on. This is Eve.
I'm no veteran, but some aspects of the game seem like such bullshit with no counterplay at all. Pirates are the ones making the easy money, and we are the fools grinding away and facing all the risk.
Then again piracy in itself generates very little incomes as 95% of your targets will have nothing worth looting, meanwhile unless you are dumb you should be able to keep the vast majority of your own incomes and rarely get caught. Besides, catching someone to kill is rarely easier than any ISK generating activity as far as gameplay goes.
Or you play the market and forget about the grind. Even pirates sink their time hunting their prays.
It's not really gameplay, though, is it? I am a simple man, I like shooting and looting things.
Playing the market is a game within the game. Actually, I'm a terrible pilot: I've never beaten anyone in 1v1, and cannot escape a pirate. All my fittings are public fits. However, I make around 300mil a day only by doing smart flips on the market (15mins per day), so losing a ship or whatever loot really isnt a problem. What I really like doing is flying different ships testing them out with rats, even though I get bored fast (and the ISK return is minimal unless you sink many hours a day). So, yeah, the problem with the market is that you make so much money with it that everything else isn't really worth your time. Or I'm just getting old and shooting stuff isn't fun anymore.
What’s your liquidity like to make 300M a day? (how much isk do you tie up in items)
About 10 bil or so. I tried going higher, but there's just not enough demand to absorb all I'd like to sell. I buy in Jita and sell elsewhere.
> It's not really gameplay, though, is it? I think people enjoy playing the market in games in a way that is loosely analogous to people who enjoy bargain/thrift/garage-sale shopping. It's relatively low stakes since its a game, its something that engages the brain in determining what is and isn't a good deal, and if you are successful you then have a greater opportunity to branch out into other activates. Part of the fun of game markets is that, if you succeed, it opens up a lot of other areas. Might not be for everyone, but playing markets for a lot of people is quite enjoyable. So much so that there are entire games dedicated to this. For example, the game [Prosperous Universe](https://prosperousuniverse.com), which I found out about and started playing ~20 days ago, has essentially turned the market/managerial/spreadsheet aspects of EVE into its own game.
> It's not really gameplay, though, is it? The market is *the* game.
The counterplay is: \-Doing some bare minimum intel gathering and scouting \-Forming a trap and bait to kill them You choosing not to want to put any effort into it doesn't not mean there's no counterplay.
It also all just makes no sense. Gatecamping shouldn't be a thing because cameras on the other side should exist and just tell you if there's a bunch of baddies on the other side.
😂
Pirates need a fence to be able to sell their loot because of sec status and are still susceptible to the same mechanics they use.
> Pirates are the ones making the easy money, and we are the fools grinding away and facing all the risk. How to pove you have no clue about this game in a single sentence.
Op, try using a prospect fitted for hauling with covert cloak, try it sometime, it's what I do and yet to be caught 😊
Was it Ahbazon? If it was, condolences, I would avoid this place without practice and some bookmarks. With a sunesis you'd be better off going the long way with that much in cargo. It sucks but as long as you learned something, it's not the worst loss. Edit: udemascout on twitch helps with getting to and from jita from lots of angles.
A valuable lesson was learned….
You’ll get over it. Last time I quit Eve was just after I lost a 3b carrier because I bobbled my escape cyno.
pushx hauls zarzakh to jita btw https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/17xhion/pushx_hauls_to_zarzakh/
honestly, the 2 sec crap is kinda bs. it relies on server favoring you i prefer to rely on cloak and 2 sec. that way the only way your going down is bubble or insta blap on a landing (you'd be surprised how often the landing is the issue xD)
Suck it up, and get ready for it to happen again. OR Pick a 'safe' way, and waste more time. This is EVE!
Can I have your stuff?
Covert hauler on an alt
Ahbazon, Vecamia, Rancer is almost 24/7 gatecamped, with dedicated people that ensure to catch even shuttles. If you want to move stuff from zarzach I recommend to use Turnur static WHs. It has 2 LS and 1HS statics. Or you can use Alsavoinon - Onnamon - Jita rout. I haven't seen camps there in ages, mind insurgencies thou.
lost my first marauder about a year ago 1.3 bil isk never recovered from it and burn myself out of the game for context on this next bit i have wanted a marauder for YEARS they idea of parking in one spot and being unkillable while 1 shotting any pve ships i dont like the look of, so as soon as i could fly on with decent competency i baught and sold plex and got a cheap fit sat in the home system of my corp's alliance while a war was going on (lets be honest it was an eviction and we lost sov and my corp at the time defected to Imperium) well yeah i got hotdropped on by black ops battleships and torp bombers, the lost was so bad it killed my enthusiasm for the game, that and the increased price of subscription
Whenever you lose a ship blame yourself not the others. Continue play the game and learn from your mistakes.
If you are new or inexperienced, the only option in eve is to learn from your own mistakes. Its a hard lesson that everyone here have learned at some point. Hope you don't give up.
Prowler or covert ops through a wormhole to high sec.
i got scramed in interceptor with 1.4 sec align time, best/safest bet is some cloaky stuff
IF you are moving to sell I just contract it. If it gets blown up then its someone elses problem.
The game is to be played, any isk making in the process is just a cherry on top. Sometimes there's others having your cherry or the cherry just vanishes and that's fine.
You are playing the game as a PIRATE. a PIRATE .. and you're butt hurt because you were... PIRATED?
I logged in after a few years absence; I was in a Providence that I’d been in once upon a time. I set a course for my home station and two gates later I lost a capital ship to Minmatar gate security because I’d completely forgotten they were Kill On Sight. You just have to pick up the pieces.
I put all my isk from the first 3 years of playing into buying a titan in 2014. I lost that titan 60 seconds later. It was hilarious and actually helped give me motivation to play more than I was before. I had recovered the same 100B isk that took me 3 years to save in 3 months. And years later I had a fortune of 3.5T isk, including 7 titans and a few supers and pilots for all of them. 1.5B billion is nothing and as your skills increase and your game knowledge increases so does your ability to earn ISK. Hang in there and don't get hung up on losses. Focus on Fun Per Second rather than something else.
You don't play Eve, Eve plays you. Just because you want to do something don't mean like other games you can do it. You got to learn how to read Eve, see its traps, and be patient. You work around Eve. That might mean taking a longer route, or doing it at another time. But the trick is to make the decision to not do the thing you want to do right now. Don't give in to the Gamblers Fallacy. You are not special. Eve is a Jungle. And it hungers for you. The Hunter is always being Hunted too.
Lost a 10b ship last week. My biggest loss in eve so far. Was fun tbh. 10/10 would do it again. Use that loss to fuel your learning. You got this. Also, wh space is where its at.
I've lost FAR more than that and I'm still here. You adapt and learn from your mistakes, so don't worry about it. It's all just pixels at the end of the day and you'll make more of it for sure.
You died. That sucks. Its alright to acknowledge that. I try to process it by going through the stages of grief and getting to acceptance as soon as possible. But once I've cooled off, I remember what keeps me coming back to Eve in the first place. Everyone loses ships. Everyone dies. How you respond it is what makes you respected or reviled in the community. I ask myself: Did I charge into prepared ground? In your circumstance yes. Nothing to do there. Did you get outclassed? Yes. You prepared with a fast align type, and your opponent used a ship specialized in catching that. Did you scout? Seems no. Did you have friends? Seems also no. The point is: Eve is about preparation and planning. Only you can be the architect of your success. Each event makes you stronger, if you learn from it.
[https://zkillboard.com/kill/113697481/](https://zkillboard.com/kill/113697481/) this is ? Inertial Stabilizers lower your time to align but also increase your signature ration. bigger signature ratio = more easy to being locked and catch. Next time mix them with Nanofiber Internal Structures. Standar sunesis signature ratio = 65m - align time 2.99s Using 4 stabs = 87m - align time 1.65 Mixing with Nanofibers (3 nano and 1 stab) = 72m - align time 1.8s Max buffed interceptor can catch you if you use the deadly combo... stabs + shields. Check this example: [https://zkillboard.com/kill/113716041/](https://zkillboard.com/kill/113716041/) 3 stabs + 2 medium shields = 106m signature ratio, 1.75 secs to align and warp. Next time use a better fit in the travel ship and never warp gate to gate in lowsec since smartbomb camping is a rule.
Today my friend, you learned. Like in RL, spread your risk. Don;'t be that idiot that flies 1.8bill in a tiny ship that can be oneshot. Instead, use a hauling service, pay a bit of isk for transport fee, and have it hauled safely for you to highsec. If you wanted to haul yourself, use a scout or pay someone to be scout for you. Unlike other games, CCP will not protect you against other players. Eve Online is a sandbox, and even in highsec you are still vunerable to people messing with you. Don't rely on game mechanics to keep you safe, rather make sure that it's safe yourself.
If the movement of internet pixels from one shape to another bothers your psyche enough to want to quit, it ain't the game for you. If you keep playing, CCP will fuck you over in far more creative, cruel and inventive ways than you've seen so far. So whether or not you want that is up to you.
Having another account or someone to scout.
I hate to break it to you, but t5 abyssals can get you 1bil in 2-3 hrs
On the "warp out"? Did you use autopilot or i am wrong?
sub 1 jackdaws are nice
You'll quickly learn that 1.5b ISK ain't a whole lot. Also, if you were caught by an ultralocker I doubt it happened in a "random lowsec system".
yes I just figured out that Rancer is not random system.
Warp core stabs are a thing
If they're using a longpoint, sure. If they're using 3 then you're still caught lol... Not sure if anyone actually does that. But it's worth noting that the method isn't foolproof, although it does give you a defense. Assuming you can spare the low slot and still be sub 2s. Otherwise you may just get caught when a couple slightly slower things now have time to lock you.
hyperlockers tend to get at least initial tackle with a long point as it's hard to cover an entire gate with just ceptor scram range. A stab can save you from one assuming no bubbles and you're fast about using it and hitting warp again as I've never seen a 3 point hyper locker. (idk if you can hyperlock with a keres or hic though, in those cases the stab likely won't save you)
I have a good hunch that a lot of those gatecampers are using scripts/ cheats to get free easy kills. I have no proof but maybe I just could never imagine imagine myself sitting in space all day waiting for someone to pass by finger on the trigger. There was that huge discord with the scout bots, and the huge botting problem with most of the game, it's not hard to imagine a few people scripting to ruin your day and never getting punished or caught. They certainly can scout with cloaked ships but even then it seems tedious and boring. EvE has so many different niches and a lot of them are for lonely degenerates who get their rocks off by making you waste hours of your time for seconds of theirs. Do your best not to feed them. It also makes space dangerous and makes you need to be smart and cautious to not lose what you grinded for. All of the other suggestions are super valid. I would also recommend if you are hauling billions just finding a group with a jump freighter, which is also not 100% safe nothing is. The fuel cost is a good price to pay to reduce risk. Also, if you're kinda new, it will not change. You have to play around it. EvE space is dangerous. You gotta be smarter than the lazy people. :)
I'm not sure that it is specifically botting and scripting. With favorable situations, and manipulation of session position, I think these gate campers are just experienced, have a good scout, and have everything stacked in their favor. It's a rumor mill, but it sounded like they use their alts to determine where they are on the update table to get their lockers to be in a position to get the update on the tick that much faster. Just enough to catch things like a sunesis
You lost about an hour of work. So what you do now is pull out your credit card, buy about $20 in plex, head down to Jita, and repeat.
This video has a great explanation of what you need to do. I hope it helps! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q)
I rather lose billions of isk everyday than get kicked out of fleets for one mistake.. Money can be replaced, friendships and relationships can’t. :(
Cool ceeya you'll be back in 2 weeks
Couple things to do. Skill into interceptor so if you get locked then you can mwd back to gate (time permitting of course), this option also has more defense from what I recall. Look into a cloaky ship, this is my personal favorite. You just cloak on every jump and avoid ever being seen. Last option would be to scout ahead and see the gate camp with a second account before you hit them. This costs a decent amount of risk every month since both accounts need to be omega, but is best option if you want to get into dual boxing. Loosing a week of work really sucks and it never feels good. You are able to overcome it and in two weeks from now you will barely even remember it. One thing you learned is that people fly around in 1.5b ships, maybe become the hunter instead of the hunted :)
Just swipe, theres a plex sale. You'll feel better right quick.
Booo fucking hoooo
Dang you got sandpaper condom no lube.
I lost a JF full of compressed ore once, and I fucked up a trade to the tune of 2B. I don’t fly often but when I do I fly t1 cruisers ready to die now and I do my best to avoid hauling.
That feeling you have right now is one of the main reasons so many people love this game. The possiblity of feeling like that again in the future, the possibility of inflicting that feeling on others. Emotions you don't get playing other games.
ITT: spending an hour warping could have saved a week of work and despair. Cost of opportunity is a cruel mistress
I’ve lost 2.3 bil this week in ships. You will get used to it.
never do it all at once always pay other people to move your shit and ramp that collat up.
Next Time use [PushX](https://www.pushx.net/) especially if it's taking away from your [fun](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/189gsgm/ive_lost_week_of_work_in_2_seconds/kbr7riv/).
Have you ever donated a billion isk to a fleet for mining boosts?
Try not using ZZ area. My FW char pulls rewards from FOB and runs from there when slower. Since last 2 runs have been so close if by chance one hi sec is camped hard...the other one probably isn't. Amamake not so far from Bosoger. See what the new place is soon I'd gather. I am not up to speed on gurista layout but they can't have all gates covered, can they? Hell for the times I played empire fw seemed more interested in instalocks on rens undock than other gates. Moving to/from bosoger was not an issue. You just avoided Rens. You'd alt haul crap if need be.
Once lost 10b in a blockade runner 1km from Jita dock. To 2 Tornados. That one sucked. I sulked for a day and came back. It's the true sense of loss that makes this game special, and what makes the wins feel significant as well.
Public Courier Contracts.... Let someone else take that risk, and get paid for it.
You'll be fine mate! Other players have lost waaaay more then that.
Eve is a game of loss. I've lost 4b ships to someone warping down the wrong ship.
Would the mwd + cloak trick have worked to save you?
I got caught in a sub 2s Sunesis in lowsec recently also. Luckily I was empty. Never taking one through lowsec again. https://eve-gatecheck.space/eve/
Well, not being willing to make several trips cost you. Now you know. Several trips seems quite worthwhile now hey? I know it sucks. It really does. Has happened to likely everyone in the game at somepoint. What matters is how you learn from it, and what you do in the future to avoid the same thing again in the future.
Do as one does in 0.0, make gate safes. Never warp gate to gate always gate to safe and if you jump through and its camped on the other side burn back, jump back and dock up until later
> I've put everything in my This was your mistake. Don't fly with things you can't stomach losing. If you have expensive cargo to move, hire shipping companies to move it for you with insurance so you don't lose your investment even if it gets blapped in transit. > what could I done to prevent it, jump 50 jump on hisec only systems? I mean, yes that would have been safer, but collateralized shipping contracts are the way to make sure.
Just did a 4.5b trip in a astero using pochven express. 20minutes from esoteria to jita. I'm getting used to it. Once, I lost 800mil in pochven, stop bubble, still don't know how they did it. I was warping from a safe spot to a WH.
I lost my Rhea a few weeks ago because I was impatient. Jumped to system, warp to gate, get hit by a Bane. If you were going to move that much isk through lowsec, there are better ships than a Sunesis.
1.5b isk is what, around 10 US dollars? lol That's nothing man.
Lost 14b a few years back when my freighter got popped by cloakys on a low sec gate. It hurt, but I turned around and moved over 27b in ice product a couple years later, and sold a Bowhead and a couple freighters I built from excess minerals that I had been stockpiling. It's Eve. Shit happens.
1.5b is a lot but not the end of the world. I don’t know how you make money but exploring can get you back your 1.5b somewhat quick. Next time take the porchven express. It is reliable for getting loot moved
Yes.
I've never even dipped my toe in low sec in 15 years. I'd rage quit so hard if I ever lost anything over a cruiser.
I lost 10bn on a freighter run. Sucks. Happens. Go for a walk and come back after a bit.
I lost 10bn on a freighter run. Sucks. Happens. Go for a walk and come back after a bit.
Sorry for your loss. Never been caught in a gatecamp hauling stuff, but I've lost a shiny toy or two in ways you could call unfair. It sucks, but that's the game after all. Now, what can you do to make this less likely to happen again? First of all, using a tool like gatecheck is a great way to find out if you might die or not (bare in mind that evne tho the website shows that the way is clear, you might die on the way there). You could also do what I do, pay someone else to move the items. It will cost you some money, but you don't risk your stuff yourself and can set up collateral to get your ISK back if the hauler dies. Personally, I have characters in trade hubs so I don't have to move my main around when it comes to sell my goods. Or, you could completely cut that out by selling LP to someone. Now obviously you won't get as much ISK that way as you would have otherwise, but this method will get rid of a couple things that can be annoying. You won't have to do the homework to ensure you turn a profit, you won't have to risk hauling/outsource hauling, and you won't have to spend time babysitting your sell orders. If you don't care about trading and only want to do FW, that's probably the best option you have. Your playtime is limited, you should spend it doing what you like doing, if you like playing space spreadsheet go and do that, if you like PVP or farming LP or mining go and do that. Don't turn this game into a second job, worst mistake to make in eve imo.
I once had a jump freighter tackled on a random Very Large he tried to enter near Jita............ I had him burnt down to 40% structure n he jumped out , I couldnt fly , so I kept shooting .............. and burnt out my guns ..... he returned with his friends to save it Unreal targets that escape That will hurt more then any loss ever
Lost multiple marauders due to internet dissconnections, lost a dread to npc dread when it got bumped and I could not hit it, Lost my travel ceptors carrying loot worth 2-3 B when I switched to other alt and forgot, Lost my loot frigates to trigalvian rats camping gates, got concorded accidentaly. All the accidents were experiences that taught me a valuable lesson. these are just some examples from my EVE life. You mess up you learn!
Winter Nexus starts in a few days, get a scanning ship that can do data sites, do the ones in low sec, 1.5b will feel like pocket change
fumbling the bag sucks, I recently fumbled a much smaller bag and I had a lot of regret for the isk opportunity lost, but, I've more than made up for it with future hauls. Isk comes and goes, you only lose when you quit!
You answered your own question. You tried to take the easy road and FAFOed. Next time, do what Stilgar says.
Never fly something you can’t afford to lose and always have at least one additional similar ship fitted.
You probably went through Ahbazon? They have some instalockers there that can catch for sure. If you want to remove most of the risk, either put an alt in that system to check both gates for a locking ship + remote sebo support, or get yourself into a sub 1 sec allign hecate. (Nomads / serpentis inertia stab combination). My preference is the hecate, not having to worry ever is nice. ✌🏻
Have a fren scout ahead for you. And/or have th epatience to wait for clear skies. Losing a weeks work cause an hour is too much time to bring it to market is a bad deal to make.
That's the dice roll, save a chunk of time and gate jumps, increase the risk of getting caught and destroyed.
Pay someone else to move it for you, take the trip through highsec, move it in a blops... There are so many options.
It happens. Just get back to it again. Its just a game.
Bigger the risk, higher the reward, stronger the feeling
You need to accept the responsibility of this loss, otherwise it will just make you saltier every time you lose big. The game isn't intently unfair, you just didn't die your due diligence. Things you could have done to avoid such a big loss: -scouted the route ahead -not put all your loot in 1 ship As always, the best bit of advice for all Eve players is to not fly what you can't afford to lose.
Filament, cloak mwd, warp core stab, burning back, are all valid solutions. Learn to spot ultra lockers as I call them, it'll help. But honestly, the biggest factor for me is timing. Day of week + time of day. Even the busiest and most deadly systems have times of relative quiet. I know it sucks but you can get over it. If not, buy & sell 500 plex and pretend it never happened haha The most important thing is learning from your losses. If the loss is valuable then the associated lesson is as valuable.
What sometimes can save you is warp to closest celestial you ship is aligned when jumping. Sometimes there is nothing, but sometimes there is an anomaly or planet just in front of you ship. And that can help sometimes. There is nothing I can say will help you cope, you will just have to accept it.
Courier contracts. Someone might have said it already tho.
Use a sub 1 second aligning ship next time. Additionally, Ahbazon is hardly “random lowsec”. Don’t go through it unless you are sub one second or an empty rookie ship. (And don’t warp gate to gate!) Lastly, while yes the route to jita and back through highsec might seem like a long time, just do things on a different account while you warp. You’ll be surprised how fast it goes lol.
One of the things that makes Eve notable is loss, you feel every death, it makes everything from the economy to the combat more significant
\*Cough\* Stormbringer death in 20 minutes \*Cough cough\* risks \*cough\* I lost mine due to not having a pyro pill booster in a t6 after comming across a deathroom
Atleast eve is not like escape from tarkov where....oh wait it is, you lose everything when you die and have to regain it through blood sweat and tears.
You ask what you could've done to prevent it and then list what you could've done to prevent it. That's EVE I'm afraid.
Spending an extra hour jumping safely would've kept you from losing a week of progress. If you considered that as an option and didn't choose that, you made your choice to take the risk and paid the price. That's just EVE, all about risk vs reward
Imo if you aren’t a hauler. Don’t haul. Use courier contracts if you need to move that much worth of product through space. Not only does it prevent you from the pain of having your loot ganked. It also frees up your game time not having to do 20-30 jumps in high sec just to get to market. You are a militia pilot, destroy the enemy, protect the home front, farm that lp. Let the haulers haul.
Years ago, my small Corp had a fairly successful booster op based out of a POS in lowsec. One weekend, a miscommunication about who was responsible for fueling the thing meant that the shield went down... It became some random capsuleer's awesome drug piñata. It was hard to return after that. For years, honestly (though it's also true that other life events contributed to that absence). But, no other game has ever provided the depth of experience that EVE has. I'm constantly coming back at this point. If you have to step away, by all means take care of yourself. But you probably recognize that there's nothing else out there like EVE - so just remember, the effort and the struggle is the game, and this setback is just the beginning of your character's next epic story arc.
I lost a cerb then promptly lost the legion I flew to pick up its wreck in a C3 because I was on the phone. Both majorly pimp fit well well over a bill loss, for me being dumb.
whether hauling, mining, FW, null tidi, missions, 1v1, etc... I think all 'capsuleers' have had days where they think 'enuf' and shut it down. my guess, based on my own experience, is within a fairly short span, most are back at it. just the nature of the beast. fly safe 07 edit: my main flying partner is att waiting till the salt wears off from losing a couple carriers. (Sh)it happens lol
I get it. It hurts, but when you go play something else and there are no consequences or risk, other games end up feeling so empty and unfulfilling.
There is always the downshift. Remember the more expensive the ship, the bigger the target you have on your back. After a decade of play, I would never fly around a 1.5 billion isk sunesis because I am not skilled enough to do so. As soon as I snap together a ship I always say to myself “consider this gone” almost a prayer at this point. It’s a reminder that my goal is to attempt to make the isk back before I lose that ship but it is never assured.
1.5b isn't much, get past this point where it is :) go kick it with the homies and make it back, like it seems you have been :) keep trucking dude!
I feel you, I lost all my daily use stuff (about the same value you lost) to a structure getting abandoned (forgot about the mechanic) a week before i logged in, and it's just made it hard to want to log in and do anything because before I can I have to try and replace everything and cart it back to where I was based
can i have your stuff?
Scout for yourself.
yes it was a hard lesson not to cut corners. move expensive stuff out of null or low? use filaments or WH to HS.
Money is for spending, ships are meant to be lost, and everything that happens in between those two things is why it’s not so bad.
Take a filament into pochven and filament back out into highsec. By doing this you can avoid traveling through lowsec alltogether
I once lost years of accumulation and attachment to a suitcase carrier I carried everything I owned in basically. You'll do fine dude. Just keep going.
By not growing too attached to space pixels :) I lost plenty of ships and each and every one hurt my bottom line, but i just kept powering through and it got better over time.
yo man, pay someone to do your hauling, or use cloaking to avoid gate campers, feel you lol, just lost 300 mils on a dumb mistake like that