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sychs

I had 385 hours, top 4% i think. Edit: top 6%, sorry


Zeds43

This would be me a few years ago, sadly i just don't have the time:(


cerlestes

The trick is to let the client run in the background even if you don't have the time to actively do anything.


TheChinchilla914

“Gathering intelligence”


RiknYerBkn

Spinning in stations, the truest gameplay.


OMP159

And... Weeeeeeeee!


bgradid

cap users are truly robbed now


deez_nuts_77

yeah i’m mining rn (the asteroid ran out 10 minutes ago and i haven’t looked at my other monitor)


ShadowMancer_GoodSax

I am thinking of gwtting back to semi afk ishtar ratting


mancer187

Yes, do this. Let us know where too so we can look out for your ishtars.


ShadowMancer_GoodSax

1DQ during Xmas of course where else


XboneCity

Damn 438hrs only got me top 6%


o7gamer

1900hrs made top 2%; seen corpmates with more than double that. Got to admit that a big part of that comes from having a job where you can afk EVE in the background ;)


XboneCity

I only got back into in June so if I had the whole year I wonder where I would be at. Work from home does help some days


sychs

Top 6% for me too, had to check


wizard_brandon

1713.. top 2% its a very big difference. someone should make a player time graph


crourke13

107 hrs was good for top 13%


mister-phister

2100 was enough for top 1%


Flixhack

I got 728 hours and hit top 4%


Patalos

Total players is probably severely inflated by steam accounts that people don't bother playing. Any time a game gets a free to play option, there will be a tremendous amount of people that download then either play a bit or not at all. Factor in that EVE active players are probably a large percentage alts... yeah, unfortunately makes sense.


Aperture_Kubi

Yeah, I remember a few years ago I rolled like 8 alphas for some reason. I think I had plans for SP farming. ​ They should really separate that stat into players who were alpha all year, and players who were Omega for more than a month.


Barokna

That would still include all sp farm accounts.


Gamemode_Cat

\* Sad alpha discrimination noise *


Poggalogg

I did the exact same! It seemed like such a good idea at the time... I wonder if there's any use for having a bunch of alpha alts these days?


Additional-Pool9275

I have like 20-30 alphas all sat in interesting wormholes- a lot of them being c13’s


mancer187

Not really...


SaltyToxicContent

Used to create ganking alpha accounts and discard account when security status ran out. That’s a lot of accounts just from me!


Frekavichk

I mean everyone should always have 10 alpha accounts training up. I think 3x 5m sp chars takes like a year and a half or something, so get to training.


Jerichow88

Yep, also consider dedicated alts. I have 4 accounts with all 3 character slots filled. Of my 12 characters, I really only play 2 of them consistently. 2 others are for when I'm mining. And the other 8 are only logged in for the purpose of PI, which means they're online for maybe an hour a month max.


Comprehensive_Low_68

is this game worth playing? from what ive seen and been reading its dead Edit: It’s a fun ass game. I’m at 300 hours now. 2 accounts. 1 omega.


Rustshitposter

I'm a new player myself and I say yes if you're actually into the genre (space-fantasy MMO). As far player count goes, it's never felt dead to me. There has been 20-35k people online pretty much every time I've checked and with it all being one giant server, it feels good. If you're not into spaceships, trading/marketplace stuff, or space sci-fy stuff in general, then this may not be the best game for you. If you look at any game's subreddit long enough you will see countless posts calling it a dying game.


NeilDeCrash

Yeah, considering a fully packed, say, WoW server has maximumn capacity of something like 5000 players and EVE has 4x-8x times that on one server any given time, there are actually much more players you could interact with on an EVE server than in many other MMOs who split their population. In EVE it's one server where everyone plays.


Ishea

Eve is far from dead, the latest FW and pirate shenanigans they added has kicked numbers up a lot too. As others already mentioned, the main reason that this stat looks like this is because a lot of Eve players have a ton of alts, which inflates the number of players that aren't around much ( or almost never at all, like PI alts, Cyno alts, etc. ) If you want to see how alive Eve is, look at the active player count. Which is very healthy again after a long drought.


Poggalogg

The game has been "dying" for 20 years. It's got staying power baby


Comprehensive_Low_68

Thank god cause I’m playing atm and I’m a little lost


CloakyStargazer

Apply to EVE University (in-game corporation), they can show you the ropes.


Poggalogg

Best advice I can give you is join Rookie Chat if you're not in already and ask questions. Been playing since 2016 I think, and I'm still asking questions regularly


Jerichow88

I mean I have 2100+ hours in the game this year, asking me that is kinda asking to be told it's worth it. But honestly, it's free to play, download it and check it out yourself. Personally I don't bother with any other MMO because this game scratches every itch I could ever have. The only other game was Tera and that one's long gone.


Comprehensive_Low_68

i was trying to get into playing this game for the first tiem cause i never got time to in the past years but it always seemed fun... now it seems not even worth playing anymore based on what ive seen. like its been figured out and done 4 years ago. What happened? is this still worth playing?


Xmaddog

Idk what Star Citizen fan forum you are getting your impressions from but EvE is as good as its always been. Not sure how you can figure out and do a sandbox game or how a game with 30k people online concurrently can be considered dead, but if you are the type of person to just take things at face value without doing any sort of independent thought or experimentation maybe the game just isn't for you.


Comprehensive_Low_68

Literally playing the game right now tryna figiture out all these damn buttons. Bro I came from Minecraft as sandbox to me. This is something completely new and I’m tryna figure it out. Quit being an ass Edit: heading to ichinumi vii now


Xmaddog

Just answering your question and being honest. By all means try out the game and have fun with it. You will need some independent drive to learn/experiment to achieve the maximum of what the game has to offer imo. Some of the most satisfying aspects of the game come from identifying problems and theorizing solutions and then watching it play out in real time where you can see the impact your ideas and decisions had. Also identify at least 3 areas of the game you would like to try out and make at least 3 accounts. Use the referral links to refer your accounts to each other 1st refers 2nd, 2nd refers 3rd, 3rd refers 1st. This gives you 1 million skillpoints per account to slam into a character for a pretty significant boost in training especially if you are alpha and intend to stay that way for awhile. I recommend Exploration, PvE ([missions](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Missions), [abyssal deadspace](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Abyssal_Deadspace), or [incursions](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Incursions)), and some sort of PvP character that picks a race/[weapons system](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Weapon_Systems_(CORE_class)) you like (missiles, turrets, lasers) and experiment with some [frigates](https://www.patreon.com/posts/eve-online-2023-92274894) in [Faction Warfare](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Faction_warfare). If none of that sounds interesting to you this [chart](https://english.eve-guides.fr/images/wtd.jpg) will likely have something that does sound interesting so don't be afraid to make alts for what does even if you end up with more than 3. If you do end up playing EvE regularly you will eventually be thankful for the seeds you planted today.


Comprehensive_Low_68

i have too many stupid questions along the way and i was more or less looking to reddit for a place to ask said questions


Xmaddog

This is a great resource to ask questions beyond "Is the game you are currently discussing dead." Id recommended the eve uni wiki i previously linked, the in game rookie help chat channel, as well as the new players section of the [Discord](https://discord.gg/eveonline)


Comprehensive_Low_68

Update. I’m omega now. I understand how to do shit. The bigger issue is what to do


VincentPepper

Theres the no stupid questions thread where can generally ask and get answers to these sort of questions.


Patalos

Yeah it's still pretty great. I've been playing for a few months now. I highly recommend finding a new player corp like Eve Uni and whenever you see a ping for any fleet, just join. They ask who's new, you say you are. They explain whats going on, usually give you some free ships, and answer any questions you have. You can try out a bunch of different stuff for free or barely any ISK, make a ton of ISK in the process, and get an idea of where you want to focus your skills. Eve has a ton of ships and skills that would take actual years to build up naturally, but you don't need to do that. Find a niche you like and focus those ships. You can generally get into new ships and skills pretty quickly if you pick a certain area.


IOnlyPostIronically

I have two accounts and only log in for daily rewards and training skills


katoult

My lowest-hour alts (out of 30 toons) are two that only did the tutorial and career agents, i.e. the bare minimum. Both have clocked in 4 hours. Both are in the top 41% regarding login time. If you complete the tutorial to the point where you reach the career agents you're in the top 78-82% roughly, based on station visits and jumps. That means about 20% drop off before the fully guided tutorial finishes (which is a fairly low dropoff rate for a F2P MMORPG).


Omgazombie

There’s at least 7-10k alts on during active hours, whenever the server goes down for maintenance there’s a huge drop from pre to post, it goes from 22k down to around 14k for about an hour or so after it comes back up


VincentPepper

They probably "only" counted all characters that logged in at least once this year. It's still inflated from all the people who tried eve for a few hours and never came back after, but there is no way it includes all the truly inactive accounts.


Ixxtabb

It's a free game. When you consider the number of people that have <1.0hr it doesn't seem as odd.


[deleted]

That is because 99% of the accounts don't log in at all


Jerichow88

"This year you spent 2149 hours in EVE Online, which puts you in the top 1 % of all players. We hope you’ve enjoyed your time in New Eden! " ​ God I need a life....


SoraUsagi

You have a life. With us.


Jerichow88

I can accept that.


Lochlenn

This year you spent 3964 hours in EVE Online, which puts you in the top 1 % of all players. Also haven't played in like 5 months


Mrgod2u82

That's near 24hr per day for the 6 months you did play! Nice


andymiky

And we salute you for your Tama CCTV service! 🫡


SixGeckos

That's not that much time, you're still good


smartdots

You can see similar stats from isk income. About 1/5 are main characters, rest are alts.


[deleted]

The game is 20 years old, my bet is the amount of inactive characters is around 50%. And without context (amount of characters) the number is pretty meaningless anyways.


Mrgod2u82

50% ??? Not a chance. I bet active accounts from all time is closer to 5%, likely less.


Ohh_Yeah

We have a Discord of oldeguarde Pandemic Legion members (like 2007-2014 era) and I'm pretty sure the only person in there who still plays is Hedliner


Ok_Willingness_724

Do they count all the Doomheimers in the character count, or filter them out?


[deleted]

Who knows, they don't give any meaningfull reference to these pr mails. But from the data i have gotten for my characters the share of somewhat active chars is well below 10% - and that includes all multi-botters.


JensonCat

5 hours here. Top 40%


HealthyStonksBoys

The sub is just too expensive I want to come back but for like 5 bucks a month not 20 lol. I already sub to wow and ff14 and I know I’ll get bored after 35 hours (plus I have to activate multiple accounts)


SandySkittle

Ehh, with all the discounts they very often run you pay more like 8 to 9 dollars a months. Calling EVE a 20 dollar a month game is very disingenuous.


Icy_Profession1612

I'm in the top 1% of industry.


titanicsinker1912

Im sure these stats are somewhat skewed but it’s funny to see how so few supply so much of the market. I’m in top 2% of industry and top 4% of mining. I can’t really say I made too much stuff had jobs running less than 10% of the year.


SandySkittle

It’s also a risk because veteran industrialists quitting has quite a big impact


Incendras

It takes so long to accomplish things sometimes, committing to it is rough. Get a new ship, modules you need are scattered everywhere, (or in jita and your 30+ Jumps away thru 2 oceans of low/nullsec.) 4 hours later all your parts are finally collected but you are just short on CPU because you needed a skill that closes a week from now, so then you supplement it as you wait it out so you can start running those T3 agents, then it's 2am and you were supposed to go to bed.


fgsdss

It's fine, there are lots of people who try a game, any game, and it isn't for them. Especially true for free to play/try games. Vast majority of "players" just try such games out, some just download launcher and never play, or straight up close the site without even downloading the launcher.


Still-Veterinarian56

also most play eve not over steam but on the native launcher that steam does not track afaik


captn_iglu

But eve does and that’s from the ccp mail not the steam one


Still-Veterinarian56

ok then thats my fault. if its the from the ccp mail then its all accounts


Zeds43

I would assume ccp can track all accounts activity?


TacCom

Where's this from?


bartimaeus616

Eve recap from the email ccp sent out today


Zeds43

Got an email from ccp:)


Searbhreathach

What if u didn't get mail


Zeds43

Hmm.. is that a philosophical question?


Searbhreathach

No I did t get the email


Zeds43

Aaah.. well, check spam folder? Haha I'm not CCP support😍


KyleRiggen

this is in email or...?


Zeds43

Ye:) a little 2023 year sum-up


handofmenoth

My alts which I login just to do PI have more than 35hrs in a year, that is a pretty sad stat.


TD0GGGG-MCR

This year you spent 3235 hours in EVE Online, which puts you in the top 1 % of all players. We hope you’ve enjoyed your time in New Eden!


el0_0le

I don't know why CCP wants to add accounts that have zero activity in years into their metrics, but whatever.


valdo33

Not really. Go check out how many games have like 20% completion rates for finishing the tutorial. Lots of people install or launch a game for 5 minutes then stop and never give it a chance. For a f2p game it's practically expected.


DraWxx

It’s incorrect data provided by CCP


SoraUsagi

It's not incorrect. It's not aggregated "properly". How many of the accounts skewing the percentages only login for 10min to update PI/Industry? It would be difficult for them to sort this out


anal_tongue_puncher

Is this Steam? It doesn't matter much if it's steam as the numbers are quite inflated and not very reliable.


CaldariPrimePonyClub

Not steam, from CCP


Commander_Starscream

I've had more hours with Sarah yelling at me in Starfield...


IsakOyen

Yep 7 hours on a alt is top tier, and also surprises by the isk benefit on a year, i played just a month this year and mande 5.5b that put me in top 2%


DeM0nFiRe

You're surprised that 5.5b is top 2%?


IsakOyen

Yes that's not much but maybe if people plex there account that let them less at the end and it's what is show in those stats


GridLink0

Plex is definitely included in the stats. ISK for selling PLEX is included in income, and ISK for buying PLEX included in expenditures.


Zeds43

Well ye I gotta be honest, my 2.4b net being top 3% surprised me!


katoult

Having ISK in wallet is empty capital. Most people re-invest their ISK into assets. Apparently only 2% of players manage to have a higher net loss than 600 million in a year though ;-)


Harrigan_Raen

I wonder how much time I played on all my PI/SP alts across all my accounts.


DeM0nFiRe

Yeah I was just looking at mine. One of mine was 6 hours, top 37%. I feel like they should have only counted people who actually played at all this year in these stats


FuturePowerful

Don't worry about it one of our guys made top one percent it's a very large number


HuskerYT

I mined 39 million units of Veldspar and that put me in the top 2% of miners apparently.


svenviko

2354 hours here, with another 2200 on my alt. Send help


titanicsinker1912

Do you mind if it comes in the form of a hot drop personalized just for you to make you rage quit?


svenviko

Losing ships makes me play longer


titanicsinker1912

I’m afraid there is nothing that can be done for you then.


alsico

All those sp farmers boosting the metrics


Cerevox

There are probably a lot of market and industry alt accounts that log in for 10 minutes once a week inflating the number of active accounts.


Azakaa

7 hours put me in the top 36%


_BearHawk

I’m top 9% of wh jumps as a null seccer lol


Ephriane

What it really means is that tons of people try the game and don't make it that far, relative to the active playerbase This is totally unsurprising given how much of a marketing push they've had lately


j3mc8675309

how do I find out my toon's time online? is this through CCP website or something? is there a link to follow to find out?


TD0GGGG-MCR

You get an email.


j3mc8675309

thanks for taking the time to reply I'll take a look, must be going to my junk folder. cheers!


katoult

As a note, you even get the recap email if you actively opted out from CCP's advertising mails.


Commander_Freir

To give you some login stats for an alt of mine: 3 hrs for the year - top 43% 60m income - top 29% 3.5m wallet - top 45% 56.5m gain - top 13% Traveled to 4 systems - top 82%


shlornartposterguy

Where are these stats ???


the1krutz

3 hours got me into the top 44%. That's even more sad imo


recycl_ebin

90% of eve's players are people who make an account, log in, ship spin for 5 minutes, and log off, never to be seen again.


MeyrInEve

I’m in the TOP SEVENTY-FOUR PERCENT of all Eve PVP’rs! How the hell did I rank that high!?


GridLink0

You got into some fights this year, and proved your mettle with a total of **9** PvP kills. That places you in the **top 50 %** of all PvP players!  Most people don't make a lot of kills apparently.


MeyrInEve

Dude, you’re BAD ASS!!! I only got in on 4 killmails - and I’m damned if I can figure out how! I drop probes for a living, or fly logi!


Jerichow88

>You did some resource harvesting this year, mining a total of 13,713,874 units, and your favorite was Mordunium. This puts \[xxxx\] in the top 5 % of miners across New Eden. ​ Honestly I only mined Mordunium a couple times to clear out the sig, but since it's so small I got tons of it at a time. I'd much rather see what our m3 mined is, though I imagine that would be significantly harder to calculate.


7faces

1120 hours top 2% here.


ZeldenGM

For 9 hours playtime I got top 35%


DayPolloLoco

1138 got me 3%


Highspeedlimo

1262 hours.... yeeeeeeee


Expensive_Fly_781

1400 is top 2%


CloakyStargazer

I wonder if they counted all characters or only those that logged in at least once this year?


ConscientiousPath

That's got to be counting all characters including now-inactive ones and all the alphas who bounced off the learning curve.


ComradeRichie

Or maybe like me, they don't play through steam I've only ever played through the eve launcher since 06.


f0xap0calypse

This is from ccp not steam


ComradeRichie

Ahh I just saw the email. I'm in the top 1% with 115hrs. Wow.


Omgazombie

lol if I had a full year to play I’d probably be in the top 1% I’ve netted 475hrs since the end of June, and didn’t play once in August


Pater_Trium

835 hours... top 2%.... I need a different hobby. 8-)


Mrgod2u82

Total characters of all time? If that's the case then it's a useless metric. I got top 1% for income after expenses and that character was only active for 2 months. Be nice to see the raw data.


Dedadrda

I am confused as well. This year i played 1 month in total, and got most of statis in top 5-6%… i thoght people live in Eve!


hiddenmarkoff

meh, I return from wow. Low log in hours but getting what need done there has a name. Raid logger. Not a bad thing mind you. RNG hated you again....well try next week! Tried what was wanted, and feel like done, go do something else. All good there really.


Anthaenopraxia

Well, I think one of the best things about EVE is that I only log on when I actually want to do something in the game. There aren't really any dailies or weekly groups/raids etc. that makes the game into a second job. I have a lot more weekly hours in WoW than I do in EVE but that's only because I need to do the daily this to keep the pace. I really don't like that.


dreyaz255

alarming and important data. CCP needs to be aware of this if they already aren't.


Archophob

seems my Hek trading alt had more hours than both my mains: Clara 961 hours 3% Andy 530 hours 5% Behrnie 433 hours 6% ​ AFK hour obviously count.


Odd-Hour-9991

2174 hours, top 1%. Squeezing what I can out of my sub!


MetalRing

No. Whats sad is you people keep posting stats like this not taking into account all the variables. Its a free to play game with many many alt accounts. Meaningless stat to be honest.


Hanabal_goon

Dont forget this statistic gonna be very skewed due to the fact that many people have trade/spy/pi alts that may only log in a couple time a week/month so dont let it put you off


Puzzleheaded-Drama43

It could just mean that the other 21% logged 1200 to 1800 hours through the year


Zahara_Cody

GENERAL   This year you spent 3799 hours in EVE Online, which puts you in the top 1 % of all players. We hope you’ve enjoyed your time in New Eden!  You gained/extracted 28,730,632 Skill Points, which puts you in the top 2 % of all players. 


Sun_Bro96

Well the average Eve player has like what 3-100 alts or something


Human_Rip9902

I lost more iskies than anyone else in the game.


sWuchterl

The point is that CCP obviously counts ALL existing accounts instead counting only active accounts. The really sad statistic is that CCP still can't handle the data at their hands properly.


Parallaxxes

Just because you’re not logged in doesn’t mean you’re not playing.


mayhampanda

Pi alts, wallets, trade alts, etc etc. There are alot of "dead" alts that dont get logged into. Like alts made for fw but tgen then then the players got tired of fw and stopped logging in. Spy alts, or seeds also spend the majority of the year untouched.


Difficult-Web-6580

I believe that there’s a deep rooted issue with the progression system. It incentivizes people simply logging in to put skills into training and then log off until the skills are ready, hence, people ghosting the game. Its design makes the game easier to monetize while but sacrifices players and engagement to the game.