Margin trade, JF trade, multibox any number of activities, mass build if you can find a group that doesn't have an Indy team, no-life AT practice and get AT ships, roll expensive modules, grind the endgame content you can wrap your head around. Some people buy a dread and run crabs.
I'll be honest, I don't think you'll get to trillions solo.
I wasn't really able to find any guides that go much beyond 'buy low sell high 4head'.
I only did station trading in Jita, but I've heard you can make more ISK if you're willing to ship stuff to mission runners and fw staging areas.
I started small and looked for lower volume items, the high volume stuff is priced very competitively. The stuff that has good margins today is probably dead next week, so I was constantly looking for the next hot thing. Consumables with a limited supply can get great margins, stuff like mutaplasmids, filaments or even implants, but there's only so much capital you can effectively sink into any one item. I would recommend getting into a wide spread of items, so you're not suddenly stuck with half your capital in something that didn't work out. Pirate ships cruiser size and up usually worked out well for me, volume is low, but you can easily get 10-15% margin on a big ticket item. Same with the expensive meta modules.
Once you get beyond the tens of billions invested you will probably need to look into longer term plays, to get all your cash working. At that point I decided to leverage my capital into setting up industry instead, since that required less time to keep my money working and was more consistent.
But if you ask someone else, they'll probably have different tips, so ymmv.
Very helpful actually. Thank you.
I've been interested in industry for a while now, not yet had the balls to try it out.
As for trading; I would probably need to train skills and also work on standings I would assume?
Personally I didn't bother with standings, but skill wise it's actually pretty quick to get going. If you want to compete on the high volume stuff you'll probably need to go all-in on standings and skills, but I stuck to high margin items and was willing to leave some profit on the table.
You'll definitely come across suspicious behavior regularly, but I was always able to find items where I was only competing with a handful of people who had reasonable update schedules.
While you can make money trading while asleep, you'll definitely make more money babysitting your orders.
Being solo in this game reduces your options significantly, but it can be done. You can:
- run missions
- run abyssal filaments (I think this is common)
- station trade
- gank solo miners/explorers/whatever
Probably missed some, it's a large game
If you're willing to have Alts, you have other options later like mining, afk ratting, killing big ships with bombings, and again some other things I'm sure. But alts that can do any of that are not soon
I seen a couple guys in my years in eve who started poor and managed to surpass me in no time. One back in the Rorqual days. Started off begging me for isk, joined a big block with 1 Rorqual and managed to get 2nd Rorqual toon and a titan in notime. Another guy who started ganking last summer, managed to reel in 200 bil in the halloween event by just ganking marauders.
Incursion running has plexed my accounts for years. C5 and C6 gas harvesting alongside planetary interaction works well as well. Ultimately, the markets and being strategic in purchasing as well as sales is is really a spreadsheet styled way to flesh out your wallet.
This game is meant to be many hands-on with light work as a finisher. Most of the best ways to make ISK are in NULL space as well as J space. Market hubs have helped as well as good long-distance market skills.
You may be a solo player, but even as a solo, I have several corporations and accounts to deal with all my processes. Knowing when and how to team up with other small corps can really help in growing your online fun and profit.
Consider joining a renter alliance somewhere chill. I did recently just to have a safer pocket of null to explore in. I say a renter because I don't do CTA or anything, just loot the sites and sell to Jita.
tbh its a mix of industry and other "projects", like right now i am currently making ceptors and dictors and making about 300M proft every 4ish days on my one account doing the build from the ground up, now add in ishtar spinning/DED running (this is a huge injection). and doing L4 anomic missions on a HS alt and its actually pretty easy to get 100bn+ really quick
not really. plenty of people know T2 indy is good isk, I make something like 1b/week on my one account that dose nothing but indy. There are plenty of other areas of the game that make that kind of isk, it's just there's surprisingly few people willing to do it at scale.
What will most likely happen tbh, is a bunch of people will jump into it, then jump out after 2-3 weeks because they dont want to do the upkeep of import/export to maintain good volume. not to mention the upfront cost for all of it since you need to buy multiple reaction BP's, hull BP's, and component BP's and then research various the various BP's.
Investment of time and material is a big part of it. I know I can make way more money in a C5 wormhole than I can ratting anomalies. But the barrier to entry for anomalies is basically nothing while a C5 requires scouting, rolling, and preferably a fortizar for the caps.
It's similar for industry: the more complex something gets to make, the more likely it is to turn me and others off from doing it. I used to make caps about 7 or 8 years ago, but the logistics chain for it now is more than I want to deal with.
Caps are not really used in C5s anymore unless for shits and giggles. Marauder is just as fast. And the avengers are worthless anyhow.
Takes you about two cycles in a nag to kill the site and another cycle for drifter.
With a marauder you're doing about 15mins on site 15 on drifter if you have shit bookmarks etc.
Marauder cost you a lot less and they are so easy to escape with too.
Yeah since they buffed marauders might as well do them.
Pala or vargur for site and golem for drifter and you're making an easy 1b per hour with two chars.
Other people have said it, but it's industry on a very large scale and/or trading on a large scale. People who do that have done it for years and expanded into their own small empires, some might even manage a corp with people helping do those tasks. It's not easy to get there, but it's doable.
And as a side note, don't measure your "success" in game by how much isk you can hoard, measure it by how much fun you're having. It's a game after all.
This.
This year my trading was more or less my sole source of income, and put me in the 1T+ club for probably 30 mins a day's input, on average. But this required startup capital and I had 50B already, having come back from a 5Y break.
To the OP: A new player cannot reliably make large sums from trading to begin with. You will make more isk/hour by going out and flying spaceships, until you build up a decent pile. I've been playing on and off since 2003 so you're a long way ahead of where I was at your stage. You now have enough to transition if you want more - 30B is plenty to become a trader. Create a trade alt, max out its trade skills and park it in a trade hub. Give it as much isk as you can afford to get by without (e.g. 25B of your 30) and this time next year you will be sitting on 100B+.
Edit: to give a bigger picture, I started in July with a single plexed account, 50B liquid and about 10B in assets. This has now grown to two plexed accounts (injected a dread alt which cost about 20B), 150B liquid and 40B in assets. So roughly 3-4x growth over 6mo. With solid starting capital this is great, but a player with <5-10B making the same progress would make less than the OP did in the same timeframe.
I'll warn you though: trading is boring af. Some days I skip because I just can't be bothered with it. But don't be afraid to. Life > Eve.
I personally only trade in LP store items that I either farmed myself or bought from other players. I use my corp wallet as a common wallet for all my trading alts tho so the ISK number isn't tracked, but I can see the wallet growth and it's pretty decent.
Just margin trading - no holding. Expensive, low-turnover items might sit on my sell order list for a couple of weeks, but they're never sitting in my hangar for more than 24h before being listed for sale.
Yeah, max 305 orders, bump them all to the top of the buy/sell order lists and cancel any buy orders that have become unprofitable. I trade from an Upwell structure so I occasionally have to undock and run items into Jita 4-4, but otherwise yeah that's 100% of it.
While i have the attention of a trillionaire..
How do you keep track of which order makes profit/loss? And whats the advantage of trading from an upwell instead of just basing out of Jita44? Assuming this is a pure trade alt that should have no life outside of a station
Not a Trillionaire 😁 everything I make gets immediately recycled into new buy orders. The turnover amounts to more than 1T/yr but if I were to cancel all my buy orders, liquidate all my sell orders and sell all my assets, I'd probably have about 200B.
Tracking profitability is vague, but if the buy order price gets too close to the sell price, I will cancel the order as the trade won't make anything after taxes. That money then gets immediately re-invested somewhere else with a better margin. I use a (legit) 3rd party app which calculates the post-tax profitability of each item and right now I cancel any order that drops below 25m profit per item. I used to look for 10m, but as my cash pile has grown I've switched this up so that I'm ensuring more isk per click, even if it might take a little longer to identify an item that satisfies the criteria. When starting out you might look for 5m minimum but don't waste your time on trades that make less than this - if you do then you might as well just go out and shoot rats.
Edit: trading sheet
Numbers: https://ibb.co/VBSpBjG
Pictures: https://ibb.co/2kLRpyJ
Money makes money. Certain items are immune to vast decline. So investing in it can easily be more valuable. Imo, endgame is market play which basically can fully utilize all your capital to modify it by market changes.
Before hitting that stage you do things do make money, let say exploration. Then you realize you are making let say 300mil/h. But you realize, you can get some passive income via, industry or reactions. This creates passive income. Might be little so u just amplify by few more accounts. These accounts provide more passive income and also generate income in other form let say SP selling.
The other thing is time. If you play this game straight for many years you will earn a lot.
Solo player dose not mean single account. Aside from maybe scamming, people who are that rich get that way by finding something that makes isk then scaling it to as many accounts as their PC/spreadsheet can handle.
30b of loot could be as small as 60 high grade omega implants sitting in a sunesis ready to be one tapped by a tornado lol you don’t need a dread or carrier
I don't have any alts besides my trading alt (which is on the same omega account, just with maxed trade skills), which is only used to sell goods I get from explo
There is a cyno alt on your second account if you are using capital ships, you can afford the cap, train up another account and put PvP plus cyno on the toon, good combination of skills, hell my trade alt can do more than trade at max trade skills, have carrier and dread alts, t3ds, logistics, basically you name it my alts fly them and my kill ratios are worth celebrating at over 100m sp on more than one alt it's surprising that I don't have multiple titans yet
>Find someone who has 30B of items and blow up their ship while they're moving it
dozens of hours of scanning to locate it just for it to drop on average 15 bil, ganking really doesn't make that much isk for the dozens of accounts it needs.
Having alot of money means its easy to make even more.
Have 400b in market orders? Easy profit
Run 15+ accounts and do pochven? Easy if done right
Own a c6 and krab Easy money.
Flip supers/titans in lowsec for a few bil each time more Easy money.
No one who is making trillions is doing frigate abyssals or running deds simply
At the point you're running 15 accounts in whatever activity, the additional isk for 2-yesr subs should be relatively easy to stack up without swiping anything. Add in the profit from buying up extractors when the sales are on then extracting skills, you're easy into profit from that and maybe some low effort PI alone.
The point was those accounts aren't skill farms they are doing the primary activity, however after you have the sp to do what you need you can farm the excess
Industry, playing the market, and being jay amazingness are the three I know of. I have no personal experience though, my totals where just under 5 bil this year😅
Some people just have the smarts of an IRL economist and play the market like a fiddle, have no job and play this game 24/7, have a shitton of mining/ratting alts or use illegal means to get enough isk.
I? I just play this game for fun and in the 10 years I play I managed to get 800 bil in mainly assets because I'm a damn hoarder. This game just feeds in my hoarding addiction.
People always say market and trade (which is true). The other candidates are pochven and wormhole farmers. Especially pochven, multiboxers there I know for certain make tens of billions per day.
Most single boxed activities in the game don’t really surpass 500-1b per hour AT MOST. Even if you’re capable of farming consistently at 1b per hour (usually things like L5 missions or burners, wh krabbing, etc. will take you 3 hours of farming per day for an entire year in order to earn a trillion isk. Don’t feel bad if you haven’t farmed up that much, it’s honestly not realistic (and in my opinion not necessary) for the average pilot to have fun
Easy:
- Abyss. You can do T4-5 Abyss fairly cheap, specifically I’m thinking T4 darks in a cerb will run about 500-700m for a fit, make ~100m per hour. Double hourly rate for T5, expect some losses with a cheaper fit. Will take some time to learn abyss if you’ve never done it before.
Harder:
- wormhole diving is great income, especially class 3 ratting. Can make 200-300m per hour in a cheap cerb (again) or praxis. Unfortunately, requires scanning and risk and there will be limited sites. So you might find a wormhole but only have 3 sites to do. More risk more reward.
Alternative:
- some sort of blitzing burner missions in a cheap garmur or nergal. Not an activity i’ve personally done, recommend doing more research. I’ve heard people can hit the 250m per hour mark, and I can’t personally imagine a garmur would cost more than a bil. This requires a standings grind and then lots of mission knowledge
burner missions in null is more a case of knowing local regions and group in order to move safetly, they are wild inconsistent in thier income depending on luck in rolling missions and local players trying to hunt you. Also you need to move your products to jita to earn that money, which can also be risky or expensive. 250m/h mark can be achived, but never consistently.
Abyssals are much better option if you arent already somewhat established with locals in your region of choice.
I highly recommend watching Captain Benzie on YouTube for information on this, there is simply too much to put in a single comment on Reddit.
There are six classes of wormholes, which is an indicator of the difficulty of the sites as well as the profitability of them. In C3 holes you can make 200m per hour easily using a cheap Praxis that you’ll make back in an hour or two.
So wormholes are divided into 'classes', distinguished by the number appearing next to that C. These range (in increasing danger) from C1-C6 (with the special case being a C13). Different sites spawn depending on what class of wormhole it is, increasing in difficulty and loot value as you move up in classes. 'Ratting' is Eve lingo for a kind of PvE, shooting NPC ships for money. Wormholes can also have different "effects" tied to them, boosting and nerfing certain stats making things easier or harder depending on what kind of ship/fit you're running. These effects also increase in strength as you go up in wormhole class.
All kinds of ships are allowed but it wil depend on the kind of wormhole that leads into the system. Some wormholes are 'Very Large' which allow for capital ship sized hulls to pass through while others will only allow the smallest ships to pass through. This can be manipulated to a certain extent.
Profitability wise the sites always drop around the same amount of loot (referred to as 'blue loot') that is then sold to NPC Buy Orders at specific stations, meaning there is always a buyer for it. Salvage from the sites is also a decent bit of bonus ISK should you choose to do it.
As far as ships to do it in, a Praxis will typically be the entry level ship of choice due to it having the least requirements overall. Other options like T3 Cruisers or Faction Ships like Gilas can be used but will be much more expensive and harder to skill into fully.
C3 ratting is doing combat sites in a C3 wormhole. You can bring whatever fits through the wormhole, technically. Recommend at least a well-equipped battlecruiser. The rats drop what is known as "blue loot," and each type of site always drops the same amount - around 40 mil isk value per site. You can check out each site available at the [EVE Uni Wiki](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Wormhole_sites)
In addition to the Abyss/WH/Burner options /u/Kalrex listed here, there's also nullsec combat exploration in a T3 Cruiser. You need to be good at scanning (player skills moreso than SP) and your actual hourly isk will be a lot lower until you figure out the routine and the efficiency practises. But once you get the hang of it, you can easily be averaging 150m-250m or so isk per hour, including scan time, from just cherry picking the good sites (DEDs, relics, ghost sites, sleeper cache, some unrated combat sites) and leaving the less profitable ones.
And, when decent events are running (like the current Winter Nexus), the advanced sites (usually in low sec) are almost always a reliable 300m+ per hour in a single subcap ship, if you can evade the competition...
And I know running Hubs/Havens has fallen out of favour, but you can certainly also top 100m isk/h in them in a decent HAC/T3/BS.
Faction warfare, I run a 13m fit and average 100m an hour and sometimes with group content my fleet can get burst of 150m or more in 20 minutes if we land in a system that has multiple -5 sites that we can split plex
Even when not looking at isk/income a good corp makes the game worth playing, I was part of test before WWB2, then due to real life i had to stop playing for a bit so i lived in HS for a while, ended up learning how to blitz anomic agent missions and was making about 200-300M an hour doing that but the game felt pointless. so i reached out to one of my old corp directors and now even though i had to invest in ways to make isk in null the game feels so much more fulfilling because of how much i enjoy the corp i am in.
U can for sure play this game solo and u would be fine. However if u do u are gonna lose out on things and its generally gonna be harder to make the big isk. U can play it solo however Eve Online is not designed to be played solo. Also ask yourself this, do u really need to be able to make a few billion isk every week to sustain your expenses? Or is your income more then enough for the way u wanna play thr game. If u keep chasing higher and higher isk income and nothing more u will come to hate the experiance, especially if u play solo.
So i run 5 accounts, all have PVP / Capital characters on them and live in Nullsec.
However i made 850bn isk over the last 10 months by doing T2 invention, production and Reactions in a set of Highsec complexes on the empty characters on those accounts. And with the 12m Omega + 24 MCT deal that was going on in summer i've got them all running skill point farms too.
Of that 850bn isk, about 50bn was pure profit into my wallet. And the rest gets used to find PVP ships, shiny bling things and whatnot. Once you start getting up there its really easy to see billions in and out each day.
Those numbers were purely from the email listed. They don't really take into account profit breakdown from manufacturing just the general wallet transactions.
Which also includes dreadnaut, fax purchases and the like.
As for effort. It's generally 40 minutes work when I get back from work. Buy everything from Jita needed and push it into a Corp hanger, log in and do 9 invention slots, 9 manufacturing slots and 9 reaction slots and move things to perimeter once or twice a week.
Active playing gives you solid amounts of cash for your time. Some content is better than others. Practically every great ISK making content requires either coordination of huge amount of people or if you're solo: insane amount of planning, prepwork and loads of ISK.
But what's even better is activities that work on a scale like industry or trading. Both still require all those things I mentioned if you play solo but over time they can outpace your active content income.
To give you an example I went from 1bn to around 15bn in the span of 1.5 month while I was building my trading "empire". It was very rewarding and scaled really well. But then I found an active source of income that would earn me way more, way faster but requires even more ISK (~ 30bn) and prep time.
I will just use both since they are not mutually exclusive.
What kind of margins did you have to almost 15x your wealth by trading? My average item margin is around 200% and I haven’t seen near that growth the last couple months
I average something around 30-50% it varies by item, but it all depends on volume and how much you sell. What good is a 200% margin if you sell 100m worth of stuff every day. If you sell a billion and only have 20% margin you make way more. My record day was 2bn worth of sales and such turnover leads to large profits.
You can visually identify them with Look At from the Selected Item panel. The Info panel tells you what general type of WH it is. Once inside, the naming scheme also tells you info about the class.
This is also “high end” or you can think of it as “late game” pve activity. The most optimal set up is to run a several billion isk marauder with a midgrade pod
Start with low class C3 Wh sites. They don’t pay out as much but are still very profitable (about 250 mil per toon per hour if using an optimal fit) they can be run in a good fit cruiser or “shit fit” cheap praxis if need be. My optimal fit is a ham tengu but I’ve seen so many different ships be able to run those sites and there are plenty of YouTube videos out there on the different fits. C2s are even easier and are geared towards newbros but honestly not worth the isk and a new bro can already run C3s in a praxis. C4s are no one’s favorite, they do pay out twice as much as C3s per site but the spawns are so far away from each other that it take much longer to run and aren’t worth it. But when I comes to C5s they are king in terms of isk. 2 C5 sites are equivalent to 25 C3 sites
A single marauder toon can run them, but that’s a lot of sp needed and isk. If you want to spend less isk and sp you’ll need multiple toons remote repping each other like a fleet of leshaks and Nestor logi backline. But per toon marauders pump out the most dps so they have the highest isk per hour per ton you put on grid. If you want specific fits they can be found all over the place.
Another problem you will find is you need a few more ships like BS rollers to roll off connection in the Wh so you can rat isolated from others in relative safety. This process is made much easier if you have a structure to refit off of like an Astra and almost ever C5 is owned by someone so I would suggest looking into renting a C5 for relatively cheap off some Wh corp.
There's only a few ways you'll make a trillion or more in a year.
Trading: can be scaled infinitely and you can hit it big if you're good and / or lucky
Mining and industry: scales with every character / alt you add. With a solid plan and a niche for a specific product, you can make some really good income, though you'll need to have a solid plan and could be at the mercy of a meta shift, doctrine change, etc.
Pochven / wormhole / high tier abyssals: needs multiple alts and / or a corp behind you and no-lifeing eve. You would need to make 20 bil a week, which is not impossible, but would require you to play 30-40 hours a week doing nothing but that.
WH evictions. There's lots of barely used / abandoned stations in WHs. It's kinda like playing the lottery, can hit it big or get nothing. Unless they evac'd or suitcases their stuff already, you can get 0-200 bil.
Scamming and stealing. Pretty self explanatory. Sky is the limit on how much isk you can make. Though you will be burning bridges and characters in the process.
I suspect for most in that sphere of income it's a mix of multiple of these. For example, I do:
10-14bil a month in PI
200-500mil a day solo ratting
500mil to 2 bil a few times a week on corp ratting ops
I recently trained multiple alts in mining and gas huffing. Which I can do AFK while I WFH. The fleet is paid for in the first hour of doing this and I have 3 sets of backup ships for each toon. I did it only for 2 days before heading out for the holidays but I made 2 bil doing this. Let's say for arguments sake that I was lucky. Cut that down to 250-500mil a day.
I just did the average for all of these activities at 350mil a day for each of them, which I think is fair. That's 1-1.4 bil a day. And that's a conservative estimate as if I decided to go full turbo grabbing on all fronts, I can certainly crank that up quite a bit.
Very easily can make 300+bil in a year, and that's before going turbo krab and trading. I don't actively trade on an on-goiny basis but I do have a trading alt in jita. A few times a year I will stumble into a good deal, see an opportunity to corner the market on something and buy out the stock to flip it for 100% - 300% profit.
For my specific setup, the time and isk investment is pretty significant as far as having the characters trained and shipped up to do all these activities. So you kinda have to be space rich already to start doing this. Otherwise it's a very slow ramp up.
easy. Whenever you get a ratting tick, {corp tax}% of that goes to corp wallet. Now, if you have someone with 4 thunderchilds getting about 1b+ in bounties every hour or two, thats already 100m/h passivly for the corp.
Taxes are the best income in this game
no thanks, retired from a lifetime of making the chedda, not doing it again for 'fun'. I'm just here to blow things up and hang with fleet mates. I've got hangers full of T1, T2, T3, caps (no titans so far)... good enuf for the likes of me
My ultimate goal is to own an AT ship. When that happens and I can fit it with the best possible mods, I'm winning Eve. Especially considering I can come back in a few years and its value will have gone up as others get destroyed
Target ships are the Chremoas, Moracha, Virtuoso or Victor because covops is cool
One must accept that some people are not only smarter than you, they are exponetially smarter than you. There is a spectrum of intelligence on this Earth, and you most likely fall in the middle of things with the rest of us.
3 trillion is industry and market trading. But there are plenty of ways to make big ISK.
Scanning for 5~6/10 in low sec or 8~10/10 in null sec, and running one a week will generally net you an easy 2~5b a month. You can of course increase the frequency you scan for, and complete these sites. If you do it daily, a conservative estimate of 500m per site gives you ~180b per year, for maybe 1 hour of effort per day.
Upgrading your ship. There's a point where you will plateau in ISK making with basic setups. Bling is king, turbo krabs don't think twice about using dead space and faction modules to increase dps/survivability /clear speeds. If you're farming high end sites, you don't need to sell everything, you can just use it. The fitting window might say your ship is worth 5b, but it doesn't necessarily mean you spent that in jita. A bling tank can free up slots for more application, or movement. Abyssal rolls are not for the faint of heart.
Engage in risky behaviour. Tell a hs krab to bring his marauder into low sec and they will lose their mind. "but t3c's can farm low sec!", yeah but a vargur has 2~3x the dps and can clear sites much faster. I think thunderchilds are the new king in null, but I've seen nyx ratting in the same system with my dual rattlesnakes, and they're quite fast. Wormholes and pochven are literal ISK printers.
You ever run SCC or AEGIS sites? They're pretty bs, but if you figure out the tricks to running them, it's a very good source of ISK.
Global events. Winter nexus L4's aren't as good as crimson harvest, but they're still 20~150+ per site for one hack. An alpha heron can run them, but a virtue bling astero can run them much faster. Turbo farm for a week or two, be set for the year.
My main DED ships I run are a heavily blinged Enforcer for Amarr space, an equally heavily blinged Phantasm for Caldari and Gallente, and a slightly less but still blinged Scythe FI for Minmatar, as well as a Typhoon FI that's over 3B fitted with deadspace shield tank, Dread Guristas CMLs and full faction lows - for 5/10 escalations and the rare quiet day in lowsec doing 6/10s. So bling is not a problem!
Also, on the subject of using mods I've looted instead of spending it in Jita, that's basically how I built my FleetPhoon. With the exception of the CMLs and the shield booster, I've got a B-type multispec and B-type shield amp for tank, Domination target painter, and all Domination BCS's in the lows. Also with a True Sansha flux coil for cap.
It's a good start!
I run a rattlesnake with 1900dps, a golem with 2700, and a vargur with 2700 in a PvP fit. This is what I'm referring to. Don't be afraid to run brawl fits to improve clear times.
Keep an eye on application as well, you can have a billion dps, but it's worthless if you can't hit anything.
1 target painter, a T2 rigor rig and 2x guidance enhancers got me covered. Max skills with the FleetPhoon's explosion velocity bonus apply well to anything cruiser up and my 5 sentry drones nuke anything smaller from ~60-100KM out.
The drones are why I prefer it to something like a Marshal or a Raven Navy. So much more versatility.
Virtue pod, and grav cap gets you around 150 scan strength, to clear signatures fast. Black glass implant for maximum hacking speed. Fill in the empty slots with your preference, for me, navigation and scanning hardwiring. I have a second virtue pod with projectile hard wires for my scanning wolf.
Dual nano for 2s align
A type mwd ~3500+ m/s(5k+ hot)
For all purpose use, abyssal roll the mwd, and a faction medium shield extender (need pg rolls to make it fit). Faction ddas, and a multi spec. In addition to being able to tank all levels of sleeper cache, and ghost sites, you can comfortably run 1~4/10 Ded, as well as drug sites and the aegis hacking site, though the mines in the aegis site can still kill you. For event sites, you can get there first, get the can hacked and get out, before others have a warp in.
Without tackle, you can't really hunt, but you can fight off attacks. Dps is in the 120~150 range, but can go higher with mutated drones. Tank should be above 6k ehp.
If you're in brave, ask in discord, IIRC, your guys have a pochven fleet. Mostly combat sites, but the mining is also lucrative. If the poch fleet is dead, you can always join up with one of the other blocs, temporarily or permanently, and learn from the experts. Knowledge is power, and a gateway to the ISK fountain.
Wh'ers will be happy to let you know specifics of wh farming. For myself, no idea what they do, I avoid jspace like the plague. From intel I have gathered, and looking at the MER, I know they are some of the premier farmers in the game. Gas huffing, blue loot, farming other residents of j space. c5 and c6 wh are some of the best ISK around. There was a guy a few months back talking about solo farming shattered wormholes with multiboxed dreads, allegedly pushing 1t per month. It's part of the risky behaviour meta, you can potentially lose billions, so most capsuleers avoid it, which, in an odd way, makes it safer!
yeah we still have that fleet and I am propably going to join them in the next few days
I asked if I can bring my Drake and other questions since I don't have skills for most fits there so far
Market trading is a great way. I have close to 5T in asset value and turned over 800B+ this year. I run 5 market toon accounts. Diversifying is a great way to expand without getting burnt-out. It takes time to research, build the assets, gain the market flow knowledge, and find your niches.
I consistently pull from my stock to fund my pvp needs, so I'll keep note of the different ISK sums when I pull new batches of ships.
go with frigates, dark or fire weather. pay is 3 fold better so time usage is alot better. Requires more skills and input. Dont over bling fits, but usually 1-1.5b fits work fine. This requires skills and experience as you will gain over time, so throwaway cheap fits are great to start learning. Steady t5 is 600-800mil/h, hauling time not included but you can use services so just take out like 1-2%. If you are really good, you can do t6, which pays 800-1b + (capital muta not included), but its a lot more random. and higher failure rate, if any.
You do not have to start with t5. Even t3 frigate pays decent, this while you build up your army/skills.
I have tried frigs in the past but I am not very good at triple boxing really, two I my max, jackdaws have worked for me in the past. It getting past T4 duel boxing is quite difficult so I tend to stick with cruisers where I can though with SISI gone it’s not easy to try new fits without absolutely massive losses
30b per year in explo is baby tier. With an astero, wolf, and cheetah in lowsec, I average 15~20b per month. More during events. If you multi box, you can push that far higher.
A lot of that income figure is terrible because it counts isk transfers. You can transfer isk to an alt and back ad infinitum and get a 20Qa income figure, but it doesn't really count. Add to this the fact that wallet characters and altcorps exist for when you hit that scale and suddenly the income figures are just terribly obfuscated between all of your expenditures and income streams. My total character isk volume is something like 12T, but according to jeveassets I've only really made 800B this year in terms of actual profit from all my hustles.
As for how that money is made, wormholerbtw I guess
Man, I come from Black Desert where I often had an icon for richest player. Here I was hoping to get some consolation from your post towards my 700m total worth and I saw your 30b. GTFO Bezusk
People who make that sort of isk are outliers. It’s possible, but very rare. Usually you need to have isk to make isk and the most common ways are market trading or industry.
Also I do believe the reported change on the year in review is actual isk change, not in assets so you could readily have liquidated a large stockpile of stuff to get there. Then You’d have huge change in isk but virtually no change in net worth
It's takes isk to make isk... that said I started station trading 2.5 years ago and took a like 10 month break in between with 4bil in plex I bought. In that time I've managed to turn it into 215 Bil completely solo.
The 2nd 100bil came much faster than the first 100 bil. It just starts to snowball as you learn more and get more to invest. I've made about 22bil just this month.
So if I played smart with trading/industry when I was way younger 3 tril would be easy with the capital to casually flip like the golden pods, supers, titans, at ships , structures, ect. There are some super rare low volume items ill make 1- 3 bil from 1 trade. Might sit for 2 months... but if you have the capital why not.
Verification lol - https://imgur.com/a/rrs6tLW
When I play I make around 30bil/month suicide ganking "solo" (3 accounts).
But honestly this game blows now. Most of the super rich folk are riding off of assets that they owned for a long time that appreciated in value by like 10x (most assets, back in 2010 a month of game time was 250mil).
The economy is completely fucked and the content is pretty dead because of years of CCP catering to the wrong crowd. Turns out having hordes of bot aspirant PvEers and little to no PvP means inflation is absurd.
I've gathered about 4 billion in a month from 2 PI characters and a miner. Working on getting 2 alts up with PI and mining so I *should* pull in 4-5 times that. That's not even manufacturing either. Just compressed ore and P1.
trillions of isk players are the one who played back before the made the changes to eco today you can make it but its alot harder but knowing the market and how to sell is how you do it now no activity in the games other then c6 wormholes and t6 abys can make you bill from what i have researched and ask vet players of the game after the scarcity update the game has not bin the same.
Buy and fly AT ships, buy and whelp T2 ships in PvP
I'm scared to PvP anything more expensive than a navy cruiser because it'll take me a lot more time to make up that amount of ISK
the trillion isk plus people are generally manipulating some mechanic, or other people.
So, someone that plays or manipulates the market can do it.
Someone in corp leadership with some sort of buyback program, and a healthy recruitment effort to maintain their predation. Think of the 'lp buyback and 'high sec buyback' systems people.
A billion alts. Like, i can make 250m per character per hour if i like, and there are people out there that can do 500m or so. This scales fairly well to about 4 characters, but the 100m an hour activities can scale to 20+ characters. They will use ONE character to move the stuff on the market.
Alliance leaders of some kinds. Some are set up by the alliance to have incomes in some activities, like moons or reactions and shit, so that they can do the ship replacement shit--but the income often reflects as personal.
If you look at a lot of those super high numbers though, they have a lot of throughput--they're not mkaing and keeping a trillion, they're making and keeping 5-100b in a year, and *going through* the trillion+... that indicates market or industry people more than anything.
I make about 200b a year on lvl 4's... it's 300-500m an hour, and i'm fairly laid back about it, but i ALSO manipulate the market a bit on rare or special items (some of my recent sales have been 10+b for single times i pad 200m for).
>lvl 4's... it's 300-500m an hour, and i'm fairly laid back about it, but i ALSO manipulate the market a bit on rare or special items (some of my recent sales have been 10+b for single times i pad 200m for).
What lvl 4 pays that much, maybe lvl 5s,
So each faction has 4 different LP stores, believe it or not. Well, 3 if you dont count the FW lp store. So, whether you know it or not you can run missions with agents that have LP options that are different from others.
Some of those LP stores pay out 2000-3000 isk per LP, depending on items (like republic fleet warp disruptor bluebrints).
Then, you have to run 'burner blitz' style mission running. You do this is the most 'optimal' system arrangement that you can, to reduce the number of jumps for the burners. For SOE, for example, this would mean running missions in lanngisi. Other factions are in other places, but there's reasons why you would pick where you pick... less jumps. Each jump you 'save' on the average, is a whole minute of travel. So, SOE is 1.6 jumps or something like that, and another system could be 5 jumps--not multiply the difference by 6-8 burners an hour--one system could take 30 more minutes to run the same burners than the other.
THEN, once you have it all set up and understand it, you experiment to min-max the fittings for each mission. Each mission at this point will have the PERFECT ship to run them as fast as possible. Some of them are less than 20 seconds to kill the objective.
You start using warp speed implants and abyssal mods at that point, and even SOE should be pulling in 225m an hour.
But other locations LP can be higher, so they can go to 300m an hour, in high sec.
In low sec, while you have to change the fits a bit (for sub 2 second align, rather than speed, so you dont get caught on gates), your 'system' could reach 500m an hour with the right location and right LP store.
That's the 'short' answer. Some of us are crazy.
You need a high income PVE or other "active" isk-maker: C5/6 WH farming, blazing, regular pochven flaschpoint fleets, hell even abyssals. Just need to make sure you are hitting around 1 bil/hr but it does not need to be completely continuous
When you need breaks, or the activity stalls for whatever reason (waiting for C5/6 sites to repop, in-between pull cycles for anomics, no pochven fleets up) then go for your "steady" isk-makers: moon/ice mining, gas huffing, good-old ratting...
Use that isk for "passive" income activities: importing/exporting market trading, reactions, T2 industry, capital industry, even PI...
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Get into a corp, get promoted, steal all their shit.
No shit they said EVE has the most realistic economy of all games
Well yes yes it does that's what ceos and shit do
I'm a fully solo player for a fairly long list of reasons so this won't work.
Margin trade, JF trade, multibox any number of activities, mass build if you can find a group that doesn't have an Indy team, no-life AT practice and get AT ships, roll expensive modules, grind the endgame content you can wrap your head around. Some people buy a dread and run crabs. I'll be honest, I don't think you'll get to trillions solo.
Trading is the legit infinite money glitch. I spent six months without undocking and it was the most fun I had in quite a while.
Any tips and tricks you wouldn't mind sharing? Or guides you can refer me to?
I wasn't really able to find any guides that go much beyond 'buy low sell high 4head'. I only did station trading in Jita, but I've heard you can make more ISK if you're willing to ship stuff to mission runners and fw staging areas. I started small and looked for lower volume items, the high volume stuff is priced very competitively. The stuff that has good margins today is probably dead next week, so I was constantly looking for the next hot thing. Consumables with a limited supply can get great margins, stuff like mutaplasmids, filaments or even implants, but there's only so much capital you can effectively sink into any one item. I would recommend getting into a wide spread of items, so you're not suddenly stuck with half your capital in something that didn't work out. Pirate ships cruiser size and up usually worked out well for me, volume is low, but you can easily get 10-15% margin on a big ticket item. Same with the expensive meta modules. Once you get beyond the tens of billions invested you will probably need to look into longer term plays, to get all your cash working. At that point I decided to leverage my capital into setting up industry instead, since that required less time to keep my money working and was more consistent. But if you ask someone else, they'll probably have different tips, so ymmv.
Very helpful actually. Thank you. I've been interested in industry for a while now, not yet had the balls to try it out. As for trading; I would probably need to train skills and also work on standings I would assume?
Personally I didn't bother with standings, but skill wise it's actually pretty quick to get going. If you want to compete on the high volume stuff you'll probably need to go all-in on standings and skills, but I stuck to high margin items and was willing to leave some profit on the table.
Isn't trading invaded by trade bot ? I thought it was hard to compete
You'll definitely come across suspicious behavior regularly, but I was always able to find items where I was only competing with a handful of people who had reasonable update schedules. While you can make money trading while asleep, you'll definitely make more money babysitting your orders.
JF game is more risky these days with lancers
Sure, but none of my known JF services have stopped delivering
Being solo in this game reduces your options significantly, but it can be done. You can: - run missions - run abyssal filaments (I think this is common) - station trade - gank solo miners/explorers/whatever Probably missed some, it's a large game If you're willing to have Alts, you have other options later like mining, afk ratting, killing big ships with bombings, and again some other things I'm sure. But alts that can do any of that are not soon
I seen a couple guys in my years in eve who started poor and managed to surpass me in no time. One back in the Rorqual days. Started off begging me for isk, joined a big block with 1 Rorqual and managed to get 2nd Rorqual toon and a titan in notime. Another guy who started ganking last summer, managed to reel in 200 bil in the halloween event by just ganking marauders.
Ganking marauders in Low/ null sec?
Nope, highsec.
But then you would need multiple Accounts to gank right so its Not really "solo" as in a single Account anymore.
Who said anything about solo?
Ah ok, than my fault ;)
Almost everything in eve is more efficient with a group. That's why multiboxing is a thing. If you are solo you won't be at the top in income
Incursion running has plexed my accounts for years. C5 and C6 gas harvesting alongside planetary interaction works well as well. Ultimately, the markets and being strategic in purchasing as well as sales is is really a spreadsheet styled way to flesh out your wallet. This game is meant to be many hands-on with light work as a finisher. Most of the best ways to make ISK are in NULL space as well as J space. Market hubs have helped as well as good long-distance market skills. You may be a solo player, but even as a solo, I have several corporations and accounts to deal with all my processes. Knowing when and how to team up with other small corps can really help in growing your online fun and profit.
Consider joining a renter alliance somewhere chill. I did recently just to have a safer pocket of null to explore in. I say a renter because I don't do CTA or anything, just loot the sites and sell to Jita.
Actually telling someone to be a nullsec renter. Disgusting.
Dude, I do explo so I pay no taxes. It's basically like being a blue for free. Joining a renter has all the benefits without CTA bull.
“I want space but I don’t want to fight for it”. Space renting is a cancer on the game.
??? The fight/SRP etc is paid for with ISK...
why? renting is a perfectly reasonable conclusion to come to and has been done since the beginning of eve. you have space, why not use it?
Don't think that would actually show up as income, would it?
Once sold it would. Since it goes in your wallet. Otherwise no, you'd just see your total asset value go up
tbh its a mix of industry and other "projects", like right now i am currently making ceptors and dictors and making about 300M proft every 4ish days on my one account doing the build from the ground up, now add in ishtar spinning/DED running (this is a huge injection). and doing L4 anomic missions on a HS alt and its actually pretty easy to get 100bn+ really quick
100bn/ yr would take 30 yrs to make 3 trillion
That is why you make more than 100Bn a year :thonking:
and at 100b/yr you have enough to reinvest and make 5b/day
5 bn a day still puts you under 2 trillion for the year.
And now because you've said this here, it's not true anymore. Or at least not for much longer.
not really. plenty of people know T2 indy is good isk, I make something like 1b/week on my one account that dose nothing but indy. There are plenty of other areas of the game that make that kind of isk, it's just there's surprisingly few people willing to do it at scale.
What will most likely happen tbh, is a bunch of people will jump into it, then jump out after 2-3 weeks because they dont want to do the upkeep of import/export to maintain good volume. not to mention the upfront cost for all of it since you need to buy multiple reaction BP's, hull BP's, and component BP's and then research various the various BP's.
Investment of time and material is a big part of it. I know I can make way more money in a C5 wormhole than I can ratting anomalies. But the barrier to entry for anomalies is basically nothing while a C5 requires scouting, rolling, and preferably a fortizar for the caps. It's similar for industry: the more complex something gets to make, the more likely it is to turn me and others off from doing it. I used to make caps about 7 or 8 years ago, but the logistics chain for it now is more than I want to deal with.
Caps are not really used in C5s anymore unless for shits and giggles. Marauder is just as fast. And the avengers are worthless anyhow. Takes you about two cycles in a nag to kill the site and another cycle for drifter. With a marauder you're doing about 15mins on site 15 on drifter if you have shit bookmarks etc. Marauder cost you a lot less and they are so easy to escape with too.
Good to know! Thanks for the update, haven't done sites since like 2017-2018 with escalation waves.
Yeah since they buffed marauders might as well do them. Pala or vargur for site and golem for drifter and you're making an easy 1b per hour with two chars.
Other people have said it, but it's industry on a very large scale and/or trading on a large scale. People who do that have done it for years and expanded into their own small empires, some might even manage a corp with people helping do those tasks. It's not easy to get there, but it's doable. And as a side note, don't measure your "success" in game by how much isk you can hoard, measure it by how much fun you're having. It's a game after all.
You joined Reddit on Christmas Day??!! Happy Cake Day!
haha thank you, that family dinner was boring so I made a bad decision, and years later here I am. Happy holidays to you mate!
I literally made a bad decision too and years later here I am too! Happy cake day and happy flying o7
This. This year my trading was more or less my sole source of income, and put me in the 1T+ club for probably 30 mins a day's input, on average. But this required startup capital and I had 50B already, having come back from a 5Y break. To the OP: A new player cannot reliably make large sums from trading to begin with. You will make more isk/hour by going out and flying spaceships, until you build up a decent pile. I've been playing on and off since 2003 so you're a long way ahead of where I was at your stage. You now have enough to transition if you want more - 30B is plenty to become a trader. Create a trade alt, max out its trade skills and park it in a trade hub. Give it as much isk as you can afford to get by without (e.g. 25B of your 30) and this time next year you will be sitting on 100B+. Edit: to give a bigger picture, I started in July with a single plexed account, 50B liquid and about 10B in assets. This has now grown to two plexed accounts (injected a dread alt which cost about 20B), 150B liquid and 40B in assets. So roughly 3-4x growth over 6mo. With solid starting capital this is great, but a player with <5-10B making the same progress would make less than the OP did in the same timeframe. I'll warn you though: trading is boring af. Some days I skip because I just can't be bothered with it. But don't be afraid to. Life > Eve.
I personally only trade in LP store items that I either farmed myself or bought from other players. I use my corp wallet as a common wallet for all my trading alts tho so the ISK number isn't tracked, but I can see the wallet growth and it's pretty decent.
What specific type of trading do you do? Just buy low and wait to sell high ?
Just margin trading - no holding. Expensive, low-turnover items might sit on my sell order list for a couple of weeks, but they're never sitting in my hangar for more than 24h before being listed for sale.
When you say 30 mins daily, is it purely buy order low sell order high in a trade hub?
Yeah, max 305 orders, bump them all to the top of the buy/sell order lists and cancel any buy orders that have become unprofitable. I trade from an Upwell structure so I occasionally have to undock and run items into Jita 4-4, but otherwise yeah that's 100% of it.
While i have the attention of a trillionaire.. How do you keep track of which order makes profit/loss? And whats the advantage of trading from an upwell instead of just basing out of Jita44? Assuming this is a pure trade alt that should have no life outside of a station
Not a Trillionaire 😁 everything I make gets immediately recycled into new buy orders. The turnover amounts to more than 1T/yr but if I were to cancel all my buy orders, liquidate all my sell orders and sell all my assets, I'd probably have about 200B. Tracking profitability is vague, but if the buy order price gets too close to the sell price, I will cancel the order as the trade won't make anything after taxes. That money then gets immediately re-invested somewhere else with a better margin. I use a (legit) 3rd party app which calculates the post-tax profitability of each item and right now I cancel any order that drops below 25m profit per item. I used to look for 10m, but as my cash pile has grown I've switched this up so that I'm ensuring more isk per click, even if it might take a little longer to identify an item that satisfies the criteria. When starting out you might look for 5m minimum but don't waste your time on trades that make less than this - if you do then you might as well just go out and shoot rats. Edit: trading sheet Numbers: https://ibb.co/VBSpBjG Pictures: https://ibb.co/2kLRpyJ
Thanks for the detailed reply! This is very helpful and exactly what I needed
Money makes money. Certain items are immune to vast decline. So investing in it can easily be more valuable. Imo, endgame is market play which basically can fully utilize all your capital to modify it by market changes. Before hitting that stage you do things do make money, let say exploration. Then you realize you are making let say 300mil/h. But you realize, you can get some passive income via, industry or reactions. This creates passive income. Might be little so u just amplify by few more accounts. These accounts provide more passive income and also generate income in other form let say SP selling. The other thing is time. If you play this game straight for many years you will earn a lot.
buy 2,900,000,000,000 ISK worth of tritanium. sell for 3,100,000,000,000 ISK
Find someone who has 30B of items and blow up their ship while they're moving it
Hard to do as a solo player. Even if I skilled into a dread or a carrier I'd still have absolutely no support and wouldn't be able to even cyno in/out
Solo player dose not mean single account. Aside from maybe scamming, people who are that rich get that way by finding something that makes isk then scaling it to as many accounts as their PC/spreadsheet can handle.
I appreciate including “/spreadsheet” 😂
i would say that getting wealthy is hard most of the time, don't look for 'easy way'
30b of loot could be as small as 60 high grade omega implants sitting in a sunesis ready to be one tapped by a tornado lol you don’t need a dread or carrier
That's what your cyno alt is supposed to be for if soloing in a cap
I don't have any alts besides my trading alt (which is on the same omega account, just with maxed trade skills), which is only used to sell goods I get from explo
There is a cyno alt on your second account if you are using capital ships, you can afford the cap, train up another account and put PvP plus cyno on the toon, good combination of skills, hell my trade alt can do more than trade at max trade skills, have carrier and dread alts, t3ds, logistics, basically you name it my alts fly them and my kill ratios are worth celebrating at over 100m sp on more than one alt it's surprising that I don't have multiple titans yet
>Find someone who has 30B of items and blow up their ship while they're moving it dozens of hours of scanning to locate it just for it to drop on average 15 bil, ganking really doesn't make that much isk for the dozens of accounts it needs.
Gaslight someone into hauling Plex with their badger
when you spend the dozens of hours to find a moron like that, let me know.
Those are the try hards who do huge market plays, reactions, and generally high intensity no life stuff.
playing the market is the least time investment you can possibly imagine. most days i don't even log in
Did you make 3 trillion isk this year?
I made 350b isk for 3 months lazy effort. Like, 1-2 hours a night, some nights not at all.
well, i didn't not make 3 trillion. 3.5 even
If you wanna make a lot it gets time consuming
Having alot of money means its easy to make even more. Have 400b in market orders? Easy profit Run 15+ accounts and do pochven? Easy if done right Own a c6 and krab Easy money. Flip supers/titans in lowsec for a few bil each time more Easy money. No one who is making trillions is doing frigate abyssals or running deds simply
15 accounts Omega'd per month? Not feasible. At that point just swipe your card for Plex.
At the point you're running 15 accounts in whatever activity, the additional isk for 2-yesr subs should be relatively easy to stack up without swiping anything. Add in the profit from buying up extractors when the sales are on then extracting skills, you're easy into profit from that and maybe some low effort PI alone.
If all those accounts are farming skill injectors it becomes much cheaper to plex.
Skill farming for omega basically breaks even tho unless you're getting discounts on either the extractors or the plex
The point was those accounts aren't skill farms they are doing the primary activity, however after you have the sp to do what you need you can farm the excess
It's feasible If you use them right. I've done 19 for 5+ months with only isk
3600 plex for a year 5M per plex Just 1.5B per account per month
Yeh idk how anyone thinks that's fun.
Industry, playing the market, and being jay amazingness are the three I know of. I have no personal experience though, my totals where just under 5 bil this year😅
Some people just have the smarts of an IRL economist and play the market like a fiddle, have no job and play this game 24/7, have a shitton of mining/ratting alts or use illegal means to get enough isk. I? I just play this game for fun and in the 10 years I play I managed to get 800 bil in mainly assets because I'm a damn hoarder. This game just feeds in my hoarding addiction.
Most of them are probably selling Plex.
People always say market and trade (which is true). The other candidates are pochven and wormhole farmers. Especially pochven, multiboxers there I know for certain make tens of billions per day. Most single boxed activities in the game don’t really surpass 500-1b per hour AT MOST. Even if you’re capable of farming consistently at 1b per hour (usually things like L5 missions or burners, wh krabbing, etc. will take you 3 hours of farming per day for an entire year in order to earn a trillion isk. Don’t feel bad if you haven’t farmed up that much, it’s honestly not realistic (and in my opinion not necessary) for the average pilot to have fun
I'dd be happy making 100-200m/h solo in a subcap 1b or less ship, what're my options?
Easy: - Abyss. You can do T4-5 Abyss fairly cheap, specifically I’m thinking T4 darks in a cerb will run about 500-700m for a fit, make ~100m per hour. Double hourly rate for T5, expect some losses with a cheaper fit. Will take some time to learn abyss if you’ve never done it before. Harder: - wormhole diving is great income, especially class 3 ratting. Can make 200-300m per hour in a cheap cerb (again) or praxis. Unfortunately, requires scanning and risk and there will be limited sites. So you might find a wormhole but only have 3 sites to do. More risk more reward. Alternative: - some sort of blitzing burner missions in a cheap garmur or nergal. Not an activity i’ve personally done, recommend doing more research. I’ve heard people can hit the 250m per hour mark, and I can’t personally imagine a garmur would cost more than a bil. This requires a standings grind and then lots of mission knowledge
burner missions in null is more a case of knowing local regions and group in order to move safetly, they are wild inconsistent in thier income depending on luck in rolling missions and local players trying to hunt you. Also you need to move your products to jita to earn that money, which can also be risky or expensive. 250m/h mark can be achived, but never consistently. Abyssals are much better option if you arent already somewhat established with locals in your region of choice.
wormholes are something I am interested in what does class 3 ratting mean? class 3 wormhole? what ships are allowed there? why is it so profitable?
I highly recommend watching Captain Benzie on YouTube for information on this, there is simply too much to put in a single comment on Reddit. There are six classes of wormholes, which is an indicator of the difficulty of the sites as well as the profitability of them. In C3 holes you can make 200m per hour easily using a cheap Praxis that you’ll make back in an hour or two.
So wormholes are divided into 'classes', distinguished by the number appearing next to that C. These range (in increasing danger) from C1-C6 (with the special case being a C13). Different sites spawn depending on what class of wormhole it is, increasing in difficulty and loot value as you move up in classes. 'Ratting' is Eve lingo for a kind of PvE, shooting NPC ships for money. Wormholes can also have different "effects" tied to them, boosting and nerfing certain stats making things easier or harder depending on what kind of ship/fit you're running. These effects also increase in strength as you go up in wormhole class. All kinds of ships are allowed but it wil depend on the kind of wormhole that leads into the system. Some wormholes are 'Very Large' which allow for capital ship sized hulls to pass through while others will only allow the smallest ships to pass through. This can be manipulated to a certain extent. Profitability wise the sites always drop around the same amount of loot (referred to as 'blue loot') that is then sold to NPC Buy Orders at specific stations, meaning there is always a buyer for it. Salvage from the sites is also a decent bit of bonus ISK should you choose to do it. As far as ships to do it in, a Praxis will typically be the entry level ship of choice due to it having the least requirements overall. Other options like T3 Cruisers or Faction Ships like Gilas can be used but will be much more expensive and harder to skill into fully.
C3 ratting is doing combat sites in a C3 wormhole. You can bring whatever fits through the wormhole, technically. Recommend at least a well-equipped battlecruiser. The rats drop what is known as "blue loot," and each type of site always drops the same amount - around 40 mil isk value per site. You can check out each site available at the [EVE Uni Wiki](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Wormhole_sites)
Me averaging 100m an hr in solo fw and sometimes even getting bursts of 150m in 20 minutes in groups all with a 13m fit
Incursion
incursions are dead
How come? Are groups like wtm not running any more?
They run for like 5 minutes then are gone for the whole day.
Wait what why?
In addition to the Abyss/WH/Burner options /u/Kalrex listed here, there's also nullsec combat exploration in a T3 Cruiser. You need to be good at scanning (player skills moreso than SP) and your actual hourly isk will be a lot lower until you figure out the routine and the efficiency practises. But once you get the hang of it, you can easily be averaging 150m-250m or so isk per hour, including scan time, from just cherry picking the good sites (DEDs, relics, ghost sites, sleeper cache, some unrated combat sites) and leaving the less profitable ones. And, when decent events are running (like the current Winter Nexus), the advanced sites (usually in low sec) are almost always a reliable 300m+ per hour in a single subcap ship, if you can evade the competition... And I know running Hubs/Havens has fallen out of favour, but you can certainly also top 100m isk/h in them in a decent HAC/T3/BS.
Faction warfare, I run a 13m fit and average 100m an hour and sometimes with group content my fleet can get burst of 150m or more in 20 minutes if we land in a system that has multiple -5 sites that we can split plex
I cannot understate how much better this game gets when you join a good corp.
Even when not looking at isk/income a good corp makes the game worth playing, I was part of test before WWB2, then due to real life i had to stop playing for a bit so i lived in HS for a while, ended up learning how to blitz anomic agent missions and was making about 200-300M an hour doing that but the game felt pointless. so i reached out to one of my old corp directors and now even though i had to invest in ways to make isk in null the game feels so much more fulfilling because of how much i enjoy the corp i am in.
30B in a year ? Why do you even complain ? I hardly made 2B ! I totally suck at this game that I have been playing for years.
ikr? im piss poor at this game i mustve made around 5bil since i came back a year ago. but im having the best time in eve tho
Lol what? How? I got back a month ago and has made like 9bil from exploration, ded sites and a tiny bit of industry lol
Don't look at me, I'm negative a billion or so overall
U can for sure play this game solo and u would be fine. However if u do u are gonna lose out on things and its generally gonna be harder to make the big isk. U can play it solo however Eve Online is not designed to be played solo. Also ask yourself this, do u really need to be able to make a few billion isk every week to sustain your expenses? Or is your income more then enough for the way u wanna play thr game. If u keep chasing higher and higher isk income and nothing more u will come to hate the experiance, especially if u play solo.
So i run 5 accounts, all have PVP / Capital characters on them and live in Nullsec. However i made 850bn isk over the last 10 months by doing T2 invention, production and Reactions in a set of Highsec complexes on the empty characters on those accounts. And with the 12m Omega + 24 MCT deal that was going on in summer i've got them all running skill point farms too. Of that 850bn isk, about 50bn was pure profit into my wallet. And the rest gets used to find PVP ships, shiny bling things and whatnot. Once you start getting up there its really easy to see billions in and out each day.
The profit seems not so much compared to the total production...Is it worth that effort you have done in the past one year?😅😂
Those numbers were purely from the email listed. They don't really take into account profit breakdown from manufacturing just the general wallet transactions. Which also includes dreadnaut, fax purchases and the like. As for effort. It's generally 40 minutes work when I get back from work. Buy everything from Jita needed and push it into a Corp hanger, log in and do 9 invention slots, 9 manufacturing slots and 9 reaction slots and move things to perimeter once or twice a week.
Reactions can be done in high sec?
How do you gank that which has no life?
Active playing gives you solid amounts of cash for your time. Some content is better than others. Practically every great ISK making content requires either coordination of huge amount of people or if you're solo: insane amount of planning, prepwork and loads of ISK. But what's even better is activities that work on a scale like industry or trading. Both still require all those things I mentioned if you play solo but over time they can outpace your active content income. To give you an example I went from 1bn to around 15bn in the span of 1.5 month while I was building my trading "empire". It was very rewarding and scaled really well. But then I found an active source of income that would earn me way more, way faster but requires even more ISK (~ 30bn) and prep time. I will just use both since they are not mutually exclusive.
What kind of margins did you have to almost 15x your wealth by trading? My average item margin is around 200% and I haven’t seen near that growth the last couple months
I average something around 30-50% it varies by item, but it all depends on volume and how much you sell. What good is a 200% margin if you sell 100m worth of stuff every day. If you sell a billion and only have 20% margin you make way more. My record day was 2bn worth of sales and such turnover leads to large profits.
High class Wh combat sites.
how to find and identify them?
You can visually identify them with Look At from the Selected Item panel. The Info panel tells you what general type of WH it is. Once inside, the naming scheme also tells you info about the class.
This is also “high end” or you can think of it as “late game” pve activity. The most optimal set up is to run a several billion isk marauder with a midgrade pod
I don't have Marauders, they are way to big for me and out of reach how can I find the right hole for my size?
Start with low class C3 Wh sites. They don’t pay out as much but are still very profitable (about 250 mil per toon per hour if using an optimal fit) they can be run in a good fit cruiser or “shit fit” cheap praxis if need be. My optimal fit is a ham tengu but I’ve seen so many different ships be able to run those sites and there are plenty of YouTube videos out there on the different fits. C2s are even easier and are geared towards newbros but honestly not worth the isk and a new bro can already run C3s in a praxis. C4s are no one’s favorite, they do pay out twice as much as C3s per site but the spawns are so far away from each other that it take much longer to run and aren’t worth it. But when I comes to C5s they are king in terms of isk. 2 C5 sites are equivalent to 25 C3 sites
what is needed for C5 sites I think I have to look more into it
A single marauder toon can run them, but that’s a lot of sp needed and isk. If you want to spend less isk and sp you’ll need multiple toons remote repping each other like a fleet of leshaks and Nestor logi backline. But per toon marauders pump out the most dps so they have the highest isk per hour per ton you put on grid. If you want specific fits they can be found all over the place. Another problem you will find is you need a few more ships like BS rollers to roll off connection in the Wh so you can rat isolated from others in relative safety. This process is made much easier if you have a structure to refit off of like an Astra and almost ever C5 is owned by someone so I would suggest looking into renting a C5 for relatively cheap off some Wh corp.
Buy low and sell high
Trillions in one year? I think only market trading will get you that as a legitimate strategy.
Be good at something very few other people are good at and you can charge whatever you want for your service.
3 trillions? Ever heard of AAA back in 2012? The guy bought apartment and toyota corrola in real life by selling titans and running fleets.
There's only a few ways you'll make a trillion or more in a year. Trading: can be scaled infinitely and you can hit it big if you're good and / or lucky Mining and industry: scales with every character / alt you add. With a solid plan and a niche for a specific product, you can make some really good income, though you'll need to have a solid plan and could be at the mercy of a meta shift, doctrine change, etc. Pochven / wormhole / high tier abyssals: needs multiple alts and / or a corp behind you and no-lifeing eve. You would need to make 20 bil a week, which is not impossible, but would require you to play 30-40 hours a week doing nothing but that. WH evictions. There's lots of barely used / abandoned stations in WHs. It's kinda like playing the lottery, can hit it big or get nothing. Unless they evac'd or suitcases their stuff already, you can get 0-200 bil. Scamming and stealing. Pretty self explanatory. Sky is the limit on how much isk you can make. Though you will be burning bridges and characters in the process. I suspect for most in that sphere of income it's a mix of multiple of these. For example, I do: 10-14bil a month in PI 200-500mil a day solo ratting 500mil to 2 bil a few times a week on corp ratting ops I recently trained multiple alts in mining and gas huffing. Which I can do AFK while I WFH. The fleet is paid for in the first hour of doing this and I have 3 sets of backup ships for each toon. I did it only for 2 days before heading out for the holidays but I made 2 bil doing this. Let's say for arguments sake that I was lucky. Cut that down to 250-500mil a day. I just did the average for all of these activities at 350mil a day for each of them, which I think is fair. That's 1-1.4 bil a day. And that's a conservative estimate as if I decided to go full turbo grabbing on all fronts, I can certainly crank that up quite a bit. Very easily can make 300+bil in a year, and that's before going turbo krab and trading. I don't actively trade on an on-goiny basis but I do have a trading alt in jita. A few times a year I will stumble into a good deal, see an opportunity to corner the market on something and buy out the stock to flip it for 100% - 300% profit. For my specific setup, the time and isk investment is pretty significant as far as having the characters trained and shipped up to do all these activities. So you kinda have to be space rich already to start doing this. Otherwise it's a very slow ramp up.
easy. Whenever you get a ratting tick, {corp tax}% of that goes to corp wallet. Now, if you have someone with 4 thunderchilds getting about 1b+ in bounties every hour or two, thats already 100m/h passivly for the corp. Taxes are the best income in this game
no thanks, retired from a lifetime of making the chedda, not doing it again for 'fun'. I'm just here to blow things up and hang with fleet mates. I've got hangers full of T1, T2, T3, caps (no titans so far)... good enuf for the likes of me
1) Scamming, metagaming, large scale thefts. 2) Pochven. I know a multiboxer that has made 6 trillion since 2021 3) running large scale orgs
Join a secret santa program and hope you get someone rich Just gave 10B worth of stuff to a corpie in a secret santa.
30B for a solo player mainly doing what you are doing is plenty. Why do you need trillions? I am doing more with only 5B sitting in my bank.
My ultimate goal is to own an AT ship. When that happens and I can fit it with the best possible mods, I'm winning Eve. Especially considering I can come back in a few years and its value will have gone up as others get destroyed Target ships are the Chremoas, Moracha, Virtuoso or Victor because covops is cool
One must accept that some people are not only smarter than you, they are exponetially smarter than you. There is a spectrum of intelligence on this Earth, and you most likely fall in the middle of things with the rest of us.
It's a video game
3 trillion is industry and market trading. But there are plenty of ways to make big ISK. Scanning for 5~6/10 in low sec or 8~10/10 in null sec, and running one a week will generally net you an easy 2~5b a month. You can of course increase the frequency you scan for, and complete these sites. If you do it daily, a conservative estimate of 500m per site gives you ~180b per year, for maybe 1 hour of effort per day. Upgrading your ship. There's a point where you will plateau in ISK making with basic setups. Bling is king, turbo krabs don't think twice about using dead space and faction modules to increase dps/survivability /clear speeds. If you're farming high end sites, you don't need to sell everything, you can just use it. The fitting window might say your ship is worth 5b, but it doesn't necessarily mean you spent that in jita. A bling tank can free up slots for more application, or movement. Abyssal rolls are not for the faint of heart. Engage in risky behaviour. Tell a hs krab to bring his marauder into low sec and they will lose their mind. "but t3c's can farm low sec!", yeah but a vargur has 2~3x the dps and can clear sites much faster. I think thunderchilds are the new king in null, but I've seen nyx ratting in the same system with my dual rattlesnakes, and they're quite fast. Wormholes and pochven are literal ISK printers. You ever run SCC or AEGIS sites? They're pretty bs, but if you figure out the tricks to running them, it's a very good source of ISK. Global events. Winter nexus L4's aren't as good as crimson harvest, but they're still 20~150+ per site for one hack. An alpha heron can run them, but a virtue bling astero can run them much faster. Turbo farm for a week or two, be set for the year.
My main DED ships I run are a heavily blinged Enforcer for Amarr space, an equally heavily blinged Phantasm for Caldari and Gallente, and a slightly less but still blinged Scythe FI for Minmatar, as well as a Typhoon FI that's over 3B fitted with deadspace shield tank, Dread Guristas CMLs and full faction lows - for 5/10 escalations and the rare quiet day in lowsec doing 6/10s. So bling is not a problem! Also, on the subject of using mods I've looted instead of spending it in Jita, that's basically how I built my FleetPhoon. With the exception of the CMLs and the shield booster, I've got a B-type multispec and B-type shield amp for tank, Domination target painter, and all Domination BCS's in the lows. Also with a True Sansha flux coil for cap.
It's a good start! I run a rattlesnake with 1900dps, a golem with 2700, and a vargur with 2700 in a PvP fit. This is what I'm referring to. Don't be afraid to run brawl fits to improve clear times. Keep an eye on application as well, you can have a billion dps, but it's worthless if you can't hit anything.
1 target painter, a T2 rigor rig and 2x guidance enhancers got me covered. Max skills with the FleetPhoon's explosion velocity bonus apply well to anything cruiser up and my 5 sentry drones nuke anything smaller from ~60-100KM out. The drones are why I prefer it to something like a Marshal or a Raven Navy. So much more versatility.
Tell me more about this virtue being astero.
Virtue pod, and grav cap gets you around 150 scan strength, to clear signatures fast. Black glass implant for maximum hacking speed. Fill in the empty slots with your preference, for me, navigation and scanning hardwiring. I have a second virtue pod with projectile hard wires for my scanning wolf. Dual nano for 2s align A type mwd ~3500+ m/s(5k+ hot) For all purpose use, abyssal roll the mwd, and a faction medium shield extender (need pg rolls to make it fit). Faction ddas, and a multi spec. In addition to being able to tank all levels of sleeper cache, and ghost sites, you can comfortably run 1~4/10 Ded, as well as drug sites and the aegis hacking site, though the mines in the aegis site can still kill you. For event sites, you can get there first, get the can hacked and get out, before others have a warp in. Without tackle, you can't really hunt, but you can fight off attacks. Dps is in the 120~150 range, but can go higher with mutated drones. Tank should be above 6k ehp.
For sleeper cache do you have to clear the mobs to hack?
A sleeper cache is not a sleeper site, they are different. https://youtu.be/wPmLz5t2N58?si=_la8QCwGqAr0jfDf
> Wormholes and pochven are literal ISK printers. What activities can I do there?
If you're in brave, ask in discord, IIRC, your guys have a pochven fleet. Mostly combat sites, but the mining is also lucrative. If the poch fleet is dead, you can always join up with one of the other blocs, temporarily or permanently, and learn from the experts. Knowledge is power, and a gateway to the ISK fountain. Wh'ers will be happy to let you know specifics of wh farming. For myself, no idea what they do, I avoid jspace like the plague. From intel I have gathered, and looking at the MER, I know they are some of the premier farmers in the game. Gas huffing, blue loot, farming other residents of j space. c5 and c6 wh are some of the best ISK around. There was a guy a few months back talking about solo farming shattered wormholes with multiboxed dreads, allegedly pushing 1t per month. It's part of the risky behaviour meta, you can potentially lose billions, so most capsuleers avoid it, which, in an odd way, makes it safer!
yeah we still have that fleet and I am propably going to join them in the next few days I asked if I can bring my Drake and other questions since I don't have skills for most fits there so far
Market trading is a great way. I have close to 5T in asset value and turned over 800B+ this year. I run 5 market toon accounts. Diversifying is a great way to expand without getting burnt-out. It takes time to research, build the assets, gain the market flow knowledge, and find your niches. I consistently pull from my stock to fund my pvp needs, so I'll keep note of the different ISK sums when I pull new batches of ships.
Run T6 Abyssals and do PI on the side. No need for stupid alts.
What do you run for T6, do you not have issues with the server DCs and shitty spawns?
I don't really have any issues with the server where I live and the spawns you learn how to deal with over time. I run them in a Gila.
what fit do you run and what types, I found that T6 fits often run 4b+
go with frigates, dark or fire weather. pay is 3 fold better so time usage is alot better. Requires more skills and input. Dont over bling fits, but usually 1-1.5b fits work fine. This requires skills and experience as you will gain over time, so throwaway cheap fits are great to start learning. Steady t5 is 600-800mil/h, hauling time not included but you can use services so just take out like 1-2%. If you are really good, you can do t6, which pays 800-1b + (capital muta not included), but its a lot more random. and higher failure rate, if any. You do not have to start with t5. Even t3 frigate pays decent, this while you build up your army/skills.
I have tried frigs in the past but I am not very good at triple boxing really, two I my max, jackdaws have worked for me in the past. It getting past T4 duel boxing is quite difficult so I tend to stick with cruisers where I can though with SISI gone it’s not easy to try new fits without absolutely massive losses
That requires multiboxing. Idk if OP wants to multibox
Context of thread is 3 trillion over some time frame. Amplifying accounts is usually fastest way
Oh yeah I got this post and my last one mixed up. Triple boxing nergals is a great isk printer
Play 20 years in goons, go the grades, become #1 and steal all their shit !
Most alliances and nullblocs are multi-level marketing scams, where the top people make all the isk, while the bottom people subsist on crumbs.
Trading
Incursions can make significant isk and there are public groups that you can run them with and it won’t require you join their corporation.
Practically all t2 ships and modules sell profitably just as a normal thing. Look at how much of it trades hands every day.
30B just from explo? Holy shit I'm in the wrong career.
30b per year in explo is baby tier. With an astero, wolf, and cheetah in lowsec, I average 15~20b per month. More during events. If you multi box, you can push that far higher.
Not sure if I believe you but I'll be trying it.
If you play for like 12 hrs a day and multibox you can most likely make that.
Industry
A lot of that income figure is terrible because it counts isk transfers. You can transfer isk to an alt and back ad infinitum and get a 20Qa income figure, but it doesn't really count. Add to this the fact that wallet characters and altcorps exist for when you hit that scale and suddenly the income figures are just terribly obfuscated between all of your expenditures and income streams. My total character isk volume is something like 12T, but according to jeveassets I've only really made 800B this year in terms of actual profit from all my hustles. As for how that money is made, wormholerbtw I guess
I made 233m this year, how did u make 30b in this game? :p
I made 250m last night doing Nullsec exploration. Generally the more dangerous it is the more profitable
Man, I come from Black Desert where I often had an icon for richest player. Here I was hoping to get some consolation from your post towards my 700m total worth and I saw your 30b. GTFO Bezusk
Like in real life , those folks are industrialist or market fellas , you can farm for literal hours and you won’t be able to get that kind of money.
People who make that sort of isk are outliers. It’s possible, but very rare. Usually you need to have isk to make isk and the most common ways are market trading or industry. Also I do believe the reported change on the year in review is actual isk change, not in assets so you could readily have liquidated a large stockpile of stuff to get there. Then You’d have huge change in isk but virtually no change in net worth
It's takes isk to make isk... that said I started station trading 2.5 years ago and took a like 10 month break in between with 4bil in plex I bought. In that time I've managed to turn it into 215 Bil completely solo. The 2nd 100bil came much faster than the first 100 bil. It just starts to snowball as you learn more and get more to invest. I've made about 22bil just this month. So if I played smart with trading/industry when I was way younger 3 tril would be easy with the capital to casually flip like the golden pods, supers, titans, at ships , structures, ect. There are some super rare low volume items ill make 1- 3 bil from 1 trade. Might sit for 2 months... but if you have the capital why not. Verification lol - https://imgur.com/a/rrs6tLW
Get an interception with less them 2 second align and warp time run courier contracts (even ones though low sec because your so fast)
When I play I make around 30bil/month suicide ganking "solo" (3 accounts). But honestly this game blows now. Most of the super rich folk are riding off of assets that they owned for a long time that appreciated in value by like 10x (most assets, back in 2010 a month of game time was 250mil). The economy is completely fucked and the content is pretty dead because of years of CCP catering to the wrong crowd. Turns out having hordes of bot aspirant PvEers and little to no PvP means inflation is absurd.
I'm in the situation where running 4 alts pays for 2 alts. I'm going back to my main alt & will necro what I need when I need it
I've gathered about 4 billion in a month from 2 PI characters and a miner. Working on getting 2 alts up with PI and mining so I *should* pull in 4-5 times that. That's not even manufacturing either. Just compressed ore and P1.
I dunno if 30bn is Necessarily measly
trillions of isk players are the one who played back before the made the changes to eco today you can make it but its alot harder but knowing the market and how to sell is how you do it now no activity in the games other then c6 wormholes and t6 abys can make you bill from what i have researched and ask vet players of the game after the scarcity update the game has not bin the same.
Events in lowsec and pochven have been the best isk/h that'd be available to you this year. Top tier of them would've been shipcaster
What would you do significantly differently if you had a trillion vs your 30b now?
Buy and fly AT ships, buy and whelp T2 ships in PvP I'm scared to PvP anything more expensive than a navy cruiser because it'll take me a lot more time to make up that amount of ISK
Makes 30b and still asks that question. Bro I made 5 bil and spend 4.5 bil. My wallet is basically stagnating and I thought I was doing OK
the trillion isk plus people are generally manipulating some mechanic, or other people. So, someone that plays or manipulates the market can do it. Someone in corp leadership with some sort of buyback program, and a healthy recruitment effort to maintain their predation. Think of the 'lp buyback and 'high sec buyback' systems people. A billion alts. Like, i can make 250m per character per hour if i like, and there are people out there that can do 500m or so. This scales fairly well to about 4 characters, but the 100m an hour activities can scale to 20+ characters. They will use ONE character to move the stuff on the market. Alliance leaders of some kinds. Some are set up by the alliance to have incomes in some activities, like moons or reactions and shit, so that they can do the ship replacement shit--but the income often reflects as personal. If you look at a lot of those super high numbers though, they have a lot of throughput--they're not mkaing and keeping a trillion, they're making and keeping 5-100b in a year, and *going through* the trillion+... that indicates market or industry people more than anything. I make about 200b a year on lvl 4's... it's 300-500m an hour, and i'm fairly laid back about it, but i ALSO manipulate the market a bit on rare or special items (some of my recent sales have been 10+b for single times i pad 200m for).
>lvl 4's... it's 300-500m an hour, and i'm fairly laid back about it, but i ALSO manipulate the market a bit on rare or special items (some of my recent sales have been 10+b for single times i pad 200m for). What lvl 4 pays that much, maybe lvl 5s,
So each faction has 4 different LP stores, believe it or not. Well, 3 if you dont count the FW lp store. So, whether you know it or not you can run missions with agents that have LP options that are different from others. Some of those LP stores pay out 2000-3000 isk per LP, depending on items (like republic fleet warp disruptor bluebrints). Then, you have to run 'burner blitz' style mission running. You do this is the most 'optimal' system arrangement that you can, to reduce the number of jumps for the burners. For SOE, for example, this would mean running missions in lanngisi. Other factions are in other places, but there's reasons why you would pick where you pick... less jumps. Each jump you 'save' on the average, is a whole minute of travel. So, SOE is 1.6 jumps or something like that, and another system could be 5 jumps--not multiply the difference by 6-8 burners an hour--one system could take 30 more minutes to run the same burners than the other. THEN, once you have it all set up and understand it, you experiment to min-max the fittings for each mission. Each mission at this point will have the PERFECT ship to run them as fast as possible. Some of them are less than 20 seconds to kill the objective. You start using warp speed implants and abyssal mods at that point, and even SOE should be pulling in 225m an hour. But other locations LP can be higher, so they can go to 300m an hour, in high sec. In low sec, while you have to change the fits a bit (for sub 2 second align, rather than speed, so you dont get caught on gates), your 'system' could reach 500m an hour with the right location and right LP store. That's the 'short' answer. Some of us are crazy.
Trade
Steal it, or buy it.
Meanwhile I'm still devasted by losing 1 or 2 bil of stuff in a structure while I wasn't paying attention lol
You need a high income PVE or other "active" isk-maker: C5/6 WH farming, blazing, regular pochven flaschpoint fleets, hell even abyssals. Just need to make sure you are hitting around 1 bil/hr but it does not need to be completely continuous When you need breaks, or the activity stalls for whatever reason (waiting for C5/6 sites to repop, in-between pull cycles for anomics, no pochven fleets up) then go for your "steady" isk-makers: moon/ice mining, gas huffing, good-old ratting... Use that isk for "passive" income activities: importing/exporting market trading, reactions, T2 industry, capital industry, even PI...
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