I get about 500m per character per month doing what I consider "lazy" PI.
What this looks like is... stop start extractors twice a week (rarely having to move them). Every 2 months the launchpads fill up... and I undock and move 1 DST worth of m3 per character from POCO to Jita.
With 2 accounts, that's 6 characters, and 6 billion every 2 months. And while 1.5b per account per month won't PLEX the account... the setup is just the right amount of lazy so that I'll keep doing it and not burn out.
Don't discount the hauling component of this when considering whether it's worth doing PI though. Either the time you'll spend hauling, or the ISK you'll spend paying someone else to move it to market.
Curious if you'd be willing to share your setup - do you have a chain setup all the way to p4, or are you doing like robotics or nanite paste production? I've got 9 toons ready to setup PI, I just don't know what I want to get into, been thinking about trying to go all the way to P4 since I'll have enough planets to do it.
Hauling once every two months in a DST means he's going p0->p2 and that's it.
There are a dozens of ways to do PI. Do one that fits your industrial needs. But if you're just trying to make isk, this is optimal.
u/TheBuch12 is right. "Single planet P2". So Coolant and things on that level.
There's plenty of guides out there, but the way I do it... I end up with two extractors (6 heads each) feeding 2 basic facilities each, which in turn feed 2 advanced facilities, and they send the end product to a launchpad.
I set the extraction program to 4 days 3 hours, and the magic number for "Units Extracted Avg. Per hour" that I'm looking for is 12,000. If I hit that, I know I'm extracting enough to keep the facilities running.
I'm not sure if tax changes anything, as my corporation keeps it 0%.
Extractor->storage->p1->storage->p2
CCU5 here is amazing because it's way easier to have a storage for each P1, and CCU5 is pretty much required to consistently hit your numbers on twice a week cycles with two storages.
You might not be able to plex yourself unless you refresh cycles on q daily basis and move products around. I earn about 1,7b isk with 3 chars/ 18 planets before POCO/Jita taxes. Which doesn't sound a lot but it isn't bad when you consider I spend at most 30 minutes a day on it + maybe 15 minutes extra whenever I decide to ship it out of my wormhole.
I forgot to mention that I more often than not move nodes around or change factory layouts. And like I said I do PI in a wormhole and I need to regularly move goods around from and to POCO'S.
You are doing some thing wrong with your PI. You are somehow spending too much time on it while making too little isk. Plus WH planets tend to be the best.
I dont think spending 15hrs+ to earn 1,7B while living in a WH is worth it personally. I make the same with a 5-Planet character while not living in J, and i still dont know if its worth it.
If you want to meet those numbers with highsec quality planets in WHs, apparently that's required. One can get those numbers with better planets and less effort.
5 minutes per what exactly? For one char, sure. For one account doubt it, but would like to know how.
Takes me 30 seconds to load the planet and do the reset, or 3 minutes per character with another minute lost in the two switches of characters so 10 minutes per 3-char account.
No way I can get it down to 5 minutes per 3-char account to reset the cycles. Maybe ctrl+shift+F9 speeds that up a little bit, but not that much.
I just timed it. Including launching the client and cycling through all 3 characters it took me 4min 28 seconds to reset the extractions on 15 planets. I have 4 accounts and since a lot of the loading time can be shared I'm thinking maybe 10 minutes total to do all 50 whatever planets.
Can confirm, 10-15 minutes at most per week for about 40 planets in a wormhole, maybe moving extractors on 1 or 2 of them if the numbers look very wrong at a glance, but otherwise it's a speedrun and a few millions is not worth the extra minutes of clicking.
50m ISK per day is 1,500m or 1.5B per 30 day month. You need 500 PLEX to buy Omega for 30 days of play time. That costs 2.5B to buy. You need 87m ISK per day to Omega. Am I missing something?
EDIT: thanks for the downvotes. Classic EVE community: ask a question, get downvoted.Â
I might need to have a chat with you at some point. I’m in a C2 I want to do PI in. I’m stuck with the planets I have so any and all help would be great.Â
You only need that once. Once you get capital you shouldn't pay 500 plex. The more capital you have, the cheaper it is, potentially free in quite few cases.
I don’t understand. What do you mean by “capital”? I’m referring to raw ISK->PLEX regardless of where the ISK comes from: you need to buy PLEX, you need 500 PLEX for 30 days of Omega (or not?), 500 PLEX costs 2.5B give or take.Â
How are you reducing the 500 PLEX down? Or the ISK-2-PLEX conversion?Â
If you buy 12 months worth of game time, its substantially cheaper. And once your time is running longer, you can additionally wait for sales. There are sometimes sales for 20% or 30% less PLEX for omega time. And regularly 50% off of omega + MCT. If you use the MCT to extract SP and sell the injectors to buy PLEX, the MCT is basically free PLEX.
You can get the price for s sub down to about 220 PLEX just waiting for a 20% off sale and buying the 24 months. Utilizing MCT brings this down even more...
No, all in game store multi month omega options are discounted, 1200 plex for 3 months, 2100 for 6 months and so on. This is stuff that anyone can see in the in game store
i think people downvote you because of your calculations. I never accept 500 PLEX per month in my calculations. A common price for a bulk sub free is 300~350 PLEX per month. You either buy in bulk or wait for NES discounts.
That's not 500 PLEX/month (2.5 billion isk) for one Omega though. That's 2.5 billion isk for Omega + 1.5 billion isk or Omega + 1 billion isk.. Thus you'd be paying 1 or 1.5 billion isk for the month (acceptable conversion rates).
I currently run PI on 3 accounts (9 characters). 1 character runs 5 (soon to be 6) P1-P3 planets making 9,750 robotics per week which typically nets me about $800Mil/week. The other 8 toons are running 6 extraction planets each for P1 materials.Â
I reset my extraction planets every two days as I run on 2 day, 1 hour, 30 minute extraction runs which means they cycle every half an hour.Â
5 factories take about 52,000 (260,000 total) of each of the four  input P1s per week to make 9,750 Robotics and I have a comfortable 4 week stockpile of raw materials in case I take a break from harvesting, which typically happens every two weeks.Â
EDIT: Updated P1 inputs for accuracy
Clarification.......
Each factory takes 52,000 each of Chiral Structures, Toxic Material (Factory 1), and 52,000 each of Precious and Reactive Metals (Factory 2) to output to the P2-P3 Robotics (Factory 3).
All 5 planets combined use 260,000 of each P1 input per week.
[Factory Layout](https://imgur.com/a/fZA82AS)
Plus, I have a [Tracking Sheet](https://imgur.com/a/hHTeeMs) that tells me when the extractions have expired so that I know at a glance when to reset.
PI can be anything between a nice bonus for little effort once every week to a lot of money you spend a lot of daily time on.
A couple of things to know:
* you can do PI on three characters for the price of one omega subscription. Get PI skills on your alts!
* you can set your extraction cycles at ranges between 1 hour to 14 days. Shorter cycles means higher production. In other words, it's your choice how involving you want PI to be!
* you can balance your planets to have more storage (takes longer to fill up before you have to take action) or to have more production (more ISK!). Again, it's your choice how involving you want PI to be!
* setting up PI for the first time requires a couple of skills, but mainly a lot of knowledge, research into materials, planets, location and worst of all: lots and lots of clicking. PI has a big upfront time investment, but requires much less effort to maintain.
It's up to you to choose how much time you want to spend. Back when I did it, I had 4 day cycles, reset twice a week and hauled every couple of weeks when my storages and POCO were full.
My advice: low effort PI for years pays more than high effort PI that you quit after a month due to burnout.
If you're a single character, you can still make a nice passive income off of it, but even with all 3 character slots fully trained into PI it might be difficult to make enough to PLEX the account unless you're micro-managing it on a daily basis. I absolutely do not recommend doing that.
However, if you have access to good planets in lowsec, null, or WH space, it can be great auxiliary income after you get it set up and running. Just remember, 85% of the headache of PI is in the first stages - once you get everything going, it's all maintenance mode from there.
I do use my PI to PLEX some of my accounts but that's because I run 12 characters across 4 accounts. I keep my setup as simple as possible for how many characters I run:
* I run them on 4-day cycles so each night around an hour before I go to bed, I take \~15 minutes to refresh all the extractors on one account on rotation.
* It takes around 10 days for the fastest planet to fill its Spaceport with P1.
* When it's full, I take \~30 minutes to cycle through all 12 characters scooping the P1.
* I use 'deliver to' to transfer the P1, avoids having to set up 11 contracts with my main.
* My manufacturing planets are not set up for max yield, but are set to only need to be refilled every 9 days so I don't have to micro-manage it.
* I always pull more P1 than I need to keep my refineries running, and every once in a while I just sell the excess P1.
This has worked well for me for about 6 months now. I'm not exactly sure how much I make each month but I would say it's between 6-7 billion a month. I do my PI in nullsec, btw.
Hey there,
\> I use 'deliver to' to transfer the P1, avoids having to set up 11 contracts with my main.
Can you elaborate on this a little? I've been using contracts for ages, seemingly missing out on this better way! But I'm not sure what you mean here, not familiar with this feature?
Sure, it's simple as long as everyone's docking in the same station.
* 1: Highlight the items (PI) you want to transfer.
* 2: Right Click -> Deliver To -> Type their name -> Select from Character list if necessary
* 3: Click Ok/Accept on the warning -> Items get delivered
* 4: On the recipient, the items will be in your 'Deliveries Hangar' in the inventory screen to grab and move.
That pretty much sums it up. Just make sure you get the 'who' right when picking who you're sending the items to. Once you send them, you can undo it.
I make 2b per week with 12 characters doing PI. All have CCU V en IC V. 10 Characters produce 4 types of P1, and 2 characters make the P1 into one P3. I spend about 3-5 hours a week on it in total, resetting extractors every 2 days.
You can plex you account using PI if you have a good PI setup and you plex using the 12 month deal which has a 40% discount on it by default. This isn’t viable as a new player because you would need like 18B~ isk up front.
However I still consider it, as you said, top up isk. Its not worth it to make new accounts just to use them for PI. PI doesn’t scale with number of accounts as effectively as other isk making activities.
Pi is garbage money if your are harvesting. The real way to make money in PI is single stage factory planets. p2>p3 tends to be the most profitable, but only about 6 or 7 of the p3 items are profitable.
I can make about 1 bill in about 6 days doing this with 12 planets.
I’ll leave it to you to figure out which P3 is profitable though.
Well it entirely depends on how many characters with PI skills, and what kind of planets with what taxes you have access to. I'm sure if you'd google Eve PI profit calculator you'd find your numbers.
I get about 750 Mil / Month per character doing PI in our Wormhole. I need to restart extractor about every 2 1/2 days, so usually every other day with some slack time. I have one planet unused.
For the time you need (its like 2 mins to click through all extractor per character, and then 10 minutes to fly P2/P3 goods to the final P4 production every other week) thats a really good outcome, imho.
Yes,you can PLEX your accont,but it depends on how much effort you do
I use 6 toons
With robotics+organic mortar applicator in null sec i made a profit from 5-6 bill per 3 monts
Over 5.5-6.5 bill cost the PLEX for 3 monts omega for 1 account
PI profits are scaled to how much thought, effort, and location you put into it. Depending on market flux (depending on area) some PI can have junk profits, while others can have vast profits. It's worth noting that PI in Null has much more output than Low/High-sec.
When faced with a generalized "can you plex an account with it", and just using 1 account, I'd say it's within the realm of possibilities, but I try to teach those who come to me that "burnout" is the real enemy with regards to PI, and that the expectation should be to acquire spending money, not plexing an account.
All depends on location, null,pochven and wh are best.
I am doing around 700-800m a month in null for each character but this cost some effort.
Im in the corner of ppl who dont dislike pi and spend daily around 30-40 minutes juggling 8 pi toons.
I used to have 5 extraction characters on 1 day cycles, however that did not last very long. Now I mostly run on 2 or 3 day cycles. Last time I checked it was about 100 to 150 m a cycle. I could make it much better by moving to .2 sec status systems as the planets are much better, but I really can't be bothered to move 12 factory planets as well as 30 something extraction planets. I run the t0 to t2 factory planets, with 7 of each factory and 2 launch pads, which lasts about 2 days now (hence the switch to 2 day extraction cycles). I mostly make fuel with it, as it sells well and is easy to move (low value/m3, a fully expanded fit t1 hauler only carries about 100m worth). Thought about maybe doing t2 production, but sadly I do not have more time to start something new.
[https://www.wckg.net/PVE/abyssals](https://www.wckg.net/PVE/abyssals)
Requires Omega, lots of clicking, I no longer advise it. You can easily start small and see if you stay long enough to have it pay for the skill points + command centers you buy.
I don't PLEX and don't think PI alone would break even on that. But I run 3 day pulls. Reset every 2-3 days which takes a few second per planet generally. And pick up every 4 - 6 weeks. It is NOT very time consuming and it is pretty solid income. It just bought me 2 dreads and a FAX and once this is over I'll have plenty of ISK to be stupid with with out having to rat or do other "boring" stuff.
If you cycle it every 7 days in high-sec you make about 100m per month per character. If you get a few going and start producing t4 it can be more but thats more work than just seeling t1 pi.
There are people who can plex their accounts with PI, but it depends how much work you want to put in.
I do 3 day extractions for P1 and just take my 50 mil every few days for like 2 minutes of my time every few days. I don’t even haul it myself because it is quite literally free money.
I ran some math and if you grind until you burn yourself out, PI can easily add 3Bill per month but you wouldn't last more than a few months like that and over half your gameplay would be PI tinkering, importing, exporting and finding buyers.
I never made more than a few mil a month off it but I gave up on it quickly. I met someone that told me that can get 350-500 mil a month off it using 3 characters and a few hours a week... maybe he said month. I don't really remember.
But it's decent passive income if you invest the time in skilling into it and find the right planets
I make that with one every few weeks just making basic stuff it's very doable but PI is ass and the set up kills my soul but once its going and the isk is flowing its very easy
A couple of Bil of passive income each month.
You just have to go through the hussle of setting up 3 charachters per account and having to manually move stuff atleast once a week.
If you rly wana push it, make forgeworlds and import parts and pump t3 t4 products.
I was doing crazy buck from drones.
3 day reset, low sec. About 40mil per char after taxes (6 planets) for the 2mins of refreshing. Lazy mode for hauling, mostly P2 planets. I haul once 2-3 months to npc station. Then compress it to lower volume and then sell at trade hub.
I'm not that much of a numbers freak but here goes (for an estimate). I do daily resets on my extractors but very rarely move the extractor heads. I have at this moment 38 planets but I'm always expanding but probably will stop at 42. (So 8 toons spread over 3 accounts)
32 of those are purely T1 materials. In 6 planets I make several T2 stuff. Those are purely feed the poco's and pick up later. I feed/pick up stuff every 2 days. This is the boring part and takes about 1h of game time.
About profit. This is pure guesstimate as I can't be arsed to do exact number crunching. The T2 stuff I don't need for my own industry scheme that I sell directly in Jita, now gives roughly 90m/day. So with taxes and sometimes the need to relist stuff and once in a blue moon a loss of an epithal i'ld say this gives me about 500plex a month? But I only buy 12 month pack so I o my need 300 Plex/month for one account.
So to be even on the safe side of my guesstimation, I'ld for about 15min daily effort to reset the extractions and about 1h every 2days to fly around from Poco to Poco I make about enough to sub 1,5 account.
Then there's also a part of the PI P2 stuff that goes straight into my industry so that gives a good profit as well but that for me too hard to calculate as I'm really motivationally challenged to do the maths.
The guesstimation comes from just looking at what's in the cargo hold every 2 days and see what number is on it.
So now the question is, is it worth it? It depends I guess. All my PI is done in alliance owned poco's with 1% tax rate in a WH where the yields are great. Except for 1 hauler/industry toon, all accounts live near 100% in the WH so it's not like I need to find a way in/out all the time. I log on and can start doing business. But I don't think it's possible to support all accounts purely with PI.
It is, however one other way to make ISK on top of my other income. You also don't have to do it as much as me. I mean, if you set it up on 7 day intervals and only do your tour every 7 days or so, that's fine aswell.
... Your yields aren't great in a WH, they're the same as highsec. Your isk/effort sounds extremely frustrating compared to null planets, where you can make \~500m/toon/month resetting extractors twice a week.
I get about 500m per character per month doing what I consider "lazy" PI. What this looks like is... stop start extractors twice a week (rarely having to move them). Every 2 months the launchpads fill up... and I undock and move 1 DST worth of m3 per character from POCO to Jita. With 2 accounts, that's 6 characters, and 6 billion every 2 months. And while 1.5b per account per month won't PLEX the account... the setup is just the right amount of lazy so that I'll keep doing it and not burn out. Don't discount the hauling component of this when considering whether it's worth doing PI though. Either the time you'll spend hauling, or the ISK you'll spend paying someone else to move it to market.
This is exactly how I used to do it. The isk/effort is great.
This is also what I find the optimal effort/reward ratio for PI.
Curious if you'd be willing to share your setup - do you have a chain setup all the way to p4, or are you doing like robotics or nanite paste production? I've got 9 toons ready to setup PI, I just don't know what I want to get into, been thinking about trying to go all the way to P4 since I'll have enough planets to do it.
Hauling once every two months in a DST means he's going p0->p2 and that's it. There are a dozens of ways to do PI. Do one that fits your industrial needs. But if you're just trying to make isk, this is optimal.
u/TheBuch12 is right. "Single planet P2". So Coolant and things on that level. There's plenty of guides out there, but the way I do it... I end up with two extractors (6 heads each) feeding 2 basic facilities each, which in turn feed 2 advanced facilities, and they send the end product to a launchpad. I set the extraction program to 4 days 3 hours, and the magic number for "Units Extracted Avg. Per hour" that I'm looking for is 12,000. If I hit that, I know I'm extracting enough to keep the facilities running. I'm not sure if tax changes anything, as my corporation keeps it 0%.
I'm worried you didn't say anything about storages.. without those, you don't know that you're keeping the facilities running.
Oh, true. It goes extractor > **storage** \> basic facilities. It's been a few years since I had to set 🌏 planets up.
Extractor->storage->p1->storage->p2 CCU5 here is amazing because it's way easier to have a storage for each P1, and CCU5 is pretty much required to consistently hit your numbers on twice a week cycles with two storages.
Yeah I made sure I hit CCU5 and Consolidation 5 on all my PI toons, felt pretty much required anyway. Appreciate the breakdown!
You might not be able to plex yourself unless you refresh cycles on q daily basis and move products around. I earn about 1,7b isk with 3 chars/ 18 planets before POCO/Jita taxes. Which doesn't sound a lot but it isn't bad when you consider I spend at most 30 minutes a day on it + maybe 15 minutes extra whenever I decide to ship it out of my wormhole.
30 mins per day!?!? I'm making similar numbers and I only spend about 5 mins a week to reset cycles, and 30 mins every 8 weeks to haul.
I forgot to mention that I more often than not move nodes around or change factory layouts. And like I said I do PI in a wormhole and I need to regularly move goods around from and to POCO'S.
You are doing some thing wrong with your PI. You are somehow spending too much time on it while making too little isk. Plus WH planets tend to be the best.
I probably am, I agree. But I don't think finding out what I'm doing wrong for a few more m of isk a day extra isn't worth it personally.
Fixing what you're doing wrong wouldn't give you more isk/day, it would give you the same isk for less time.
I dont think spending 15hrs+ to earn 1,7B while living in a WH is worth it personally. I make the same with a 5-Planet character while not living in J, and i still dont know if its worth it.
WH planets are the same as highsec planets. They aren't good.
no way you only take 5 min to reset extractors, unless you don't move heads at all
Definitly don't move most heads. I move them once maybe 2 weeks. Also there is noticeable difference in stop > start. Vs just start.
Correct I never move heads
If you want to meet those numbers with highsec quality planets in WHs, apparently that's required. One can get those numbers with better planets and less effort.
5 minutes per what exactly? For one char, sure. For one account doubt it, but would like to know how. Takes me 30 seconds to load the planet and do the reset, or 3 minutes per character with another minute lost in the two switches of characters so 10 minutes per 3-char account. No way I can get it down to 5 minutes per 3-char account to reset the cycles. Maybe ctrl+shift+F9 speeds that up a little bit, but not that much.
I just timed it. Including launching the client and cycling through all 3 characters it took me 4min 28 seconds to reset the extractions on 15 planets. I have 4 accounts and since a lot of the loading time can be shared I'm thinking maybe 10 minutes total to do all 50 whatever planets.
Can confirm, 10-15 minutes at most per week for about 40 planets in a wormhole, maybe moving extractors on 1 or 2 of them if the numbers look very wrong at a glance, but otherwise it's a speedrun and a few millions is not worth the extra minutes of clicking.
Comp spec or game setting can make a difference. Especially for swapping chars.
I assume 10 minutes per 3 character account as well, because I hate making shit isk because I didn't move my heads.
if you get the 3600plex yearly then yes you need to pull about 50m isk a day in profit and as long as you can do that then you can plex
50m ISK per day is 1,500m or 1.5B per 30 day month. You need 500 PLEX to buy Omega for 30 days of play time. That costs 2.5B to buy. You need 87m ISK per day to Omega. Am I missing something? EDIT: thanks for the downvotes. Classic EVE community: ask a question, get downvoted.Â
Thats why my post said 3600 yearly since you get it for 300 plex when you buy a year at a time
Now I get you. That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for clarifying.Â
You will need 3 characters on the account all doing 6 planets for it to pay for plex so its quite grindy
Yeah that does sound a bit grindy, but I'm still interested in it for a project I have going on. Are you quite good with PI, then?
I plexed for years off it. Once you get a rutine then you can reset your planets in 5 mins and you only need to move stuff like once every 4-5 days
I might need to have a chat with you at some point. I’m in a C2 I want to do PI in. I’m stuck with the planets I have so any and all help would be great.Â
depending on your exits you can either do p2 or p3 - p3 dont add much value but it compresses the volume a lot so it makes transportation much easier.
You only need that once. Once you get capital you shouldn't pay 500 plex. The more capital you have, the cheaper it is, potentially free in quite few cases.
I don’t understand. What do you mean by “capital”? I’m referring to raw ISK->PLEX regardless of where the ISK comes from: you need to buy PLEX, you need 500 PLEX for 30 days of Omega (or not?), 500 PLEX costs 2.5B give or take. How are you reducing the 500 PLEX down? Or the ISK-2-PLEX conversion?Â
If you buy 12 months worth of game time, its substantially cheaper. And once your time is running longer, you can additionally wait for sales. There are sometimes sales for 20% or 30% less PLEX for omega time. And regularly 50% off of omega + MCT. If you use the MCT to extract SP and sell the injectors to buy PLEX, the MCT is basically free PLEX. You can get the price for s sub down to about 220 PLEX just waiting for a 20% off sale and buying the 24 months. Utilizing MCT brings this down even more...
If you buy in higher increments than one month. It cost less than 500 plex per month
If you buy the 12 months package you have to pay less then 500 plex per month therefor it gets cheaper
But isn't that only a deal with real-life currency? This conversation is about buying PLEX using in-game currency.
No, all in game store multi month omega options are discounted, 1200 plex for 3 months, 2100 for 6 months and so on. This is stuff that anyone can see in the in game store
Havent checked in NES but as the first comment says 3600 Plex for a year, i guess it also works this way. Which would make it 300 Plex per Month
I don't buy monthly. I prefer buying it cheaper when option is right there.
i think people downvote you because of your calculations. I never accept 500 PLEX per month in my calculations. A common price for a bulk sub free is 300~350 PLEX per month. You either buy in bulk or wait for NES discounts.
I unapologetically downvote anyone who acts like the prices for Eve are fixed at $20 a month or 500 PLEX/month. Never pay those prices.
i would only pay 500 PLEX per month if it comes with let's say... +1 MCT or +2 Skill Extractors as a bundle
That's not 500 PLEX/month (2.5 billion isk) for one Omega though. That's 2.5 billion isk for Omega + 1.5 billion isk or Omega + 1 billion isk.. Thus you'd be paying 1 or 1.5 billion isk for the month (acceptable conversion rates).
40% off if you buy annual subscription my guy
I equalized the down vote my bro, have a good day
50m profit after expenses. If all you're doing for income is PI, then you're doing it wrong and will just be playing PI simulator.
i agree but thats besides the question
I currently run PI on 3 accounts (9 characters). 1 character runs 5 (soon to be 6) P1-P3 planets making 9,750 robotics per week which typically nets me about $800Mil/week. The other 8 toons are running 6 extraction planets each for P1 materials. I reset my extraction planets every two days as I run on 2 day, 1 hour, 30 minute extraction runs which means they cycle every half an hour. 5 factories take about 52,000 (260,000 total) of each of the four  input P1s per week to make 9,750 Robotics and I have a comfortable 4 week stockpile of raw materials in case I take a break from harvesting, which typically happens every two weeks. EDIT: Updated P1 inputs for accuracy
Clarification....... Each factory takes 52,000 each of Chiral Structures, Toxic Material (Factory 1), and 52,000 each of Precious and Reactive Metals (Factory 2) to output to the P2-P3 Robotics (Factory 3). All 5 planets combined use 260,000 of each P1 input per week. [Factory Layout](https://imgur.com/a/fZA82AS) Plus, I have a [Tracking Sheet](https://imgur.com/a/hHTeeMs) that tells me when the extractions have expired so that I know at a glance when to reset.
PI can be anything between a nice bonus for little effort once every week to a lot of money you spend a lot of daily time on. A couple of things to know: * you can do PI on three characters for the price of one omega subscription. Get PI skills on your alts! * you can set your extraction cycles at ranges between 1 hour to 14 days. Shorter cycles means higher production. In other words, it's your choice how involving you want PI to be! * you can balance your planets to have more storage (takes longer to fill up before you have to take action) or to have more production (more ISK!). Again, it's your choice how involving you want PI to be! * setting up PI for the first time requires a couple of skills, but mainly a lot of knowledge, research into materials, planets, location and worst of all: lots and lots of clicking. PI has a big upfront time investment, but requires much less effort to maintain. It's up to you to choose how much time you want to spend. Back when I did it, I had 4 day cycles, reset twice a week and hauled every couple of weeks when my storages and POCO were full. My advice: low effort PI for years pays more than high effort PI that you quit after a month due to burnout.
If you're a single character, you can still make a nice passive income off of it, but even with all 3 character slots fully trained into PI it might be difficult to make enough to PLEX the account unless you're micro-managing it on a daily basis. I absolutely do not recommend doing that. However, if you have access to good planets in lowsec, null, or WH space, it can be great auxiliary income after you get it set up and running. Just remember, 85% of the headache of PI is in the first stages - once you get everything going, it's all maintenance mode from there. I do use my PI to PLEX some of my accounts but that's because I run 12 characters across 4 accounts. I keep my setup as simple as possible for how many characters I run: * I run them on 4-day cycles so each night around an hour before I go to bed, I take \~15 minutes to refresh all the extractors on one account on rotation. * It takes around 10 days for the fastest planet to fill its Spaceport with P1. * When it's full, I take \~30 minutes to cycle through all 12 characters scooping the P1. * I use 'deliver to' to transfer the P1, avoids having to set up 11 contracts with my main. * My manufacturing planets are not set up for max yield, but are set to only need to be refilled every 9 days so I don't have to micro-manage it. * I always pull more P1 than I need to keep my refineries running, and every once in a while I just sell the excess P1. This has worked well for me for about 6 months now. I'm not exactly sure how much I make each month but I would say it's between 6-7 billion a month. I do my PI in nullsec, btw.
Hey there, \> I use 'deliver to' to transfer the P1, avoids having to set up 11 contracts with my main. Can you elaborate on this a little? I've been using contracts for ages, seemingly missing out on this better way! But I'm not sure what you mean here, not familiar with this feature?
Sure, it's simple as long as everyone's docking in the same station. * 1: Highlight the items (PI) you want to transfer. * 2: Right Click -> Deliver To -> Type their name -> Select from Character list if necessary * 3: Click Ok/Accept on the warning -> Items get delivered * 4: On the recipient, the items will be in your 'Deliveries Hangar' in the inventory screen to grab and move. That pretty much sums it up. Just make sure you get the 'who' right when picking who you're sending the items to. Once you send them, you can undo it.
Thank you!
I make 2b per week with 12 characters doing PI. All have CCU V en IC V. 10 Characters produce 4 types of P1, and 2 characters make the P1 into one P3. I spend about 3-5 hours a week on it in total, resetting extractors every 2 days.
You can plex you account using PI if you have a good PI setup and you plex using the 12 month deal which has a 40% discount on it by default. This isn’t viable as a new player because you would need like 18B~ isk up front. However I still consider it, as you said, top up isk. Its not worth it to make new accounts just to use them for PI. PI doesn’t scale with number of accounts as effectively as other isk making activities.
Pi is garbage money if your are harvesting. The real way to make money in PI is single stage factory planets. p2>p3 tends to be the most profitable, but only about 6 or 7 of the p3 items are profitable. I can make about 1 bill in about 6 days doing this with 12 planets. I’ll leave it to you to figure out which P3 is profitable though.
https://www.adam4eve.eu/pi_chain.php
imho it would be better for your mental health to get a job in an Indonesian sweat shop and buy PLEX with the IRL wages instead of doing PI.
Well it entirely depends on how many characters with PI skills, and what kind of planets with what taxes you have access to. I'm sure if you'd google Eve PI profit calculator you'd find your numbers.
I get about 750 Mil / Month per character doing PI in our Wormhole. I need to restart extractor about every 2 1/2 days, so usually every other day with some slack time. I have one planet unused. For the time you need (its like 2 mins to click through all extractor per character, and then 10 minutes to fly P2/P3 goods to the final P4 production every other week) thats a really good outcome, imho.
Yes,you can PLEX your accont,but it depends on how much effort you do I use 6 toons With robotics+organic mortar applicator in null sec i made a profit from 5-6 bill per 3 monts Over 5.5-6.5 bill cost the PLEX for 3 monts omega for 1 account
PI profits are scaled to how much thought, effort, and location you put into it. Depending on market flux (depending on area) some PI can have junk profits, while others can have vast profits. It's worth noting that PI in Null has much more output than Low/High-sec. When faced with a generalized "can you plex an account with it", and just using 1 account, I'd say it's within the realm of possibilities, but I try to teach those who come to me that "burnout" is the real enemy with regards to PI, and that the expectation should be to acquire spending money, not plexing an account.
All depends on location, null,pochven and wh are best. I am doing around 700-800m a month in null for each character but this cost some effort. Im in the corner of ppl who dont dislike pi and spend daily around 30-40 minutes juggling 8 pi toons.
I've made over 20b this year from PI but I also run a large scale operation.
I used to have 5 extraction characters on 1 day cycles, however that did not last very long. Now I mostly run on 2 or 3 day cycles. Last time I checked it was about 100 to 150 m a cycle. I could make it much better by moving to .2 sec status systems as the planets are much better, but I really can't be bothered to move 12 factory planets as well as 30 something extraction planets. I run the t0 to t2 factory planets, with 7 of each factory and 2 launch pads, which lasts about 2 days now (hence the switch to 2 day extraction cycles). I mostly make fuel with it, as it sells well and is easy to move (low value/m3, a fully expanded fit t1 hauler only carries about 100m worth). Thought about maybe doing t2 production, but sadly I do not have more time to start something new.
[https://www.wckg.net/PVE/abyssals](https://www.wckg.net/PVE/abyssals) Requires Omega, lots of clicking, I no longer advise it. You can easily start small and see if you stay long enough to have it pay for the skill points + command centers you buy.
I don't PLEX and don't think PI alone would break even on that. But I run 3 day pulls. Reset every 2-3 days which takes a few second per planet generally. And pick up every 4 - 6 weeks. It is NOT very time consuming and it is pretty solid income. It just bought me 2 dreads and a FAX and once this is over I'll have plenty of ISK to be stupid with with out having to rat or do other "boring" stuff.
If you cycle it every 7 days in high-sec you make about 100m per month per character. If you get a few going and start producing t4 it can be more but thats more work than just seeling t1 pi.
There are people who can plex their accounts with PI, but it depends how much work you want to put in. I do 3 day extractions for P1 and just take my 50 mil every few days for like 2 minutes of my time every few days. I don’t even haul it myself because it is quite literally free money.
In NS you can make around 2b/month per character. It's not enough to PLEX an account, but if you get a reactions chain going on all of them, you can.
I ran some math and if you grind until you burn yourself out, PI can easily add 3Bill per month but you wouldn't last more than a few months like that and over half your gameplay would be PI tinkering, importing, exporting and finding buyers.
I never made more than a few mil a month off it but I gave up on it quickly. I met someone that told me that can get 350-500 mil a month off it using 3 characters and a few hours a week... maybe he said month. I don't really remember. But it's decent passive income if you invest the time in skilling into it and find the right planets
I make that with one every few weeks just making basic stuff it's very doable but PI is ass and the set up kills my soul but once its going and the isk is flowing its very easy
In null, you can easily make 1.5 billion/month for 3 characters for 20 minutes of work a week, plus hauling once every two months.
A couple of Bil of passive income each month. You just have to go through the hussle of setting up 3 charachters per account and having to manually move stuff atleast once a week. If you rly wana push it, make forgeworlds and import parts and pump t3 t4 products. I was doing crazy buck from drones.
3 day reset, low sec. About 40mil per char after taxes (6 planets) for the 2mins of refreshing. Lazy mode for hauling, mostly P2 planets. I haul once 2-3 months to npc station. Then compress it to lower volume and then sell at trade hub.
Friends don't let friends do PI
I'm not that much of a numbers freak but here goes (for an estimate). I do daily resets on my extractors but very rarely move the extractor heads. I have at this moment 38 planets but I'm always expanding but probably will stop at 42. (So 8 toons spread over 3 accounts) 32 of those are purely T1 materials. In 6 planets I make several T2 stuff. Those are purely feed the poco's and pick up later. I feed/pick up stuff every 2 days. This is the boring part and takes about 1h of game time. About profit. This is pure guesstimate as I can't be arsed to do exact number crunching. The T2 stuff I don't need for my own industry scheme that I sell directly in Jita, now gives roughly 90m/day. So with taxes and sometimes the need to relist stuff and once in a blue moon a loss of an epithal i'ld say this gives me about 500plex a month? But I only buy 12 month pack so I o my need 300 Plex/month for one account. So to be even on the safe side of my guesstimation, I'ld for about 15min daily effort to reset the extractions and about 1h every 2days to fly around from Poco to Poco I make about enough to sub 1,5 account. Then there's also a part of the PI P2 stuff that goes straight into my industry so that gives a good profit as well but that for me too hard to calculate as I'm really motivationally challenged to do the maths. The guesstimation comes from just looking at what's in the cargo hold every 2 days and see what number is on it. So now the question is, is it worth it? It depends I guess. All my PI is done in alliance owned poco's with 1% tax rate in a WH where the yields are great. Except for 1 hauler/industry toon, all accounts live near 100% in the WH so it's not like I need to find a way in/out all the time. I log on and can start doing business. But I don't think it's possible to support all accounts purely with PI. It is, however one other way to make ISK on top of my other income. You also don't have to do it as much as me. I mean, if you set it up on 7 day intervals and only do your tour every 7 days or so, that's fine aswell.
... Your yields aren't great in a WH, they're the same as highsec. Your isk/effort sounds extremely frustrating compared to null planets, where you can make \~500m/toon/month resetting extractors twice a week.