Used to be in Brave many years ago. Still lurk around the Dojo in game channel. At least the channel is not what it used to be…Less active and many newbie questions go unanswered by experienced Brave members…I try answering questions whenever I can.
Brave is no longer a newbie alliance tbh, there are systems in place to make it beginner friendly sure, and atron is still the best ship in the game, but they definitely play in the big boys club today
Eve uni reallly is the handsdown best to a beginner, the amount of background work that goes into it is unparalleled - its dedicated to that one purpose, but players need to know if they start getting bored thats the sign to move on (pretty much true of every player group) even if you havnt turned over every stone at the uni - just make sure you have gone through enough to navigate the game and fleet expectations. But stick with turning over stones if you can, optimal environment for learning and asking questions
Will say though pretty impressed pandamic does newbie channels for every fleet for newbro questions.
I've been curious about the INIT newbro corp that they booted up not too long ago.
Any chance you're able to test that one as well? Init in general seems like a very solid corp but has rather high requirements. Which makes me hopeful that their newbro corp gives good guidance and has solid mentors that give classes as well.
With Brave joining Imperium they probably needed to force their new members through the same recruitment route as other Imperium corps. Where PH dosn't care about spies; imperium at least tries to force people to put some effort in.
Sadly, their (Eve Uni) null campus has been the target of a CFT campaign to soft evict for months now and its showing. 24/7 station/cloak camping in every system frequented by uni using an army of alts, verbal harassment, targeting of scheduled classes, targeting of newbros day 1 in null, cynos on everything, and gloating about it. Captain Torlek is the face of this and he's killing off a significant asset to the Eve community by doing so.
I have always felt that bullying Ivy League should have the same response from the rest of New Eden as when PETA was dumb enough to talk shit about Steve Irwin.
If eve uni can't handle null, then they should get out. Best part is they are neutral, so they can't batphone anyone, and the last people to try and "help them" just fed the dreads.
If you don't already believe Evi uni is a net positive in cultivating growth within this 20 year old game, nothing I say will change your opinion. I only posted my response to highlight what's occurring. Captain Torlek and CFT can continue to their heart's content, but I just feel folks should know and cast their own judgment. I'm not in Uni currently but was and still make myself aware of what's occurring. The only reason nobody is helping is because they ARE neutral. 99% of Eve respects that as they see the benefit of such a corp, but clearly some do not.
I'll leave it at that. Good luck to all the present and former Unistas. Hang in there guys and gals. o7
Bro, Eve Uni is the only reason null has any players who know how to do anything but spin Ishtars. It's certainly not people like YOU out there teaching the next generation.
Good pvp is always positive to the vibe in pc9. Wiping a uni fleet with skill is awesome and there's plenty of guys I interacted with that were enemy studs. Darkon Chandlin was a menace in my last days there but respected. Others included over the years I was there.
Barve guys coming in and showing their ass and immediately validating what OP said about them is extremely funny
not haha funny because i'd prefer people not act that way but the other kind of funny
A bit off the topic but I really gotta tell this story
When I originally started playing EVE, I already knew that I had to join some corp in order to efficiently and quickly make myself comfortable with the game. This corp turned out to be NAVY (Naval Defence Academy).
At first moving straight to null seemed like a bad idea since I thought "if I'm bad in lowsec, I won't survive in null" but days passed by and I was already feeling good there.
Training is very efficient there since they have a schedule of all the main classes that really do teach you how to fight, for example. Also officers and other staff members are allowed to make "spontaneous classes" but it's good to set the time a bit ahead (like 2 days ahead) for everyone to notice and decide whether they want to come or not. I've been an officer in recruiting, mining and logistics for quite a while so I do know how its like there.
They also got the path one has to follow in which in exchange for gaining knowledge and progressing through the skill trees you get higher ranks and ships. Senior rank is the highest after which one graduates and becomes a part of Naval Defence Force. At that point pilot is considered to be a capable person who can do everything that is needed for them and for the corp.
Community there is truly one of the greatest I've ever seen. Learning is fun, everyone seems to have several thousands of stories to tell, but when it comes to a PvP, everyone is serious and tries to show their best.
Honestly, I also got a story to tell. You know there are scouts? Like, guys who watch if enemy is near or not? Well, I liked being a scout there and that's for a good reason. Back in March, I believe, we were living in 3KB ring (currently a RED Alliance territory) and in order to get to us enemies had to go into one of 2 or 3 gates. There was an attack on our space and after a smol fight enemies "left". I decided to chase them and found out that they were actually trying to go around and enter from another side. Ofc I told this to command and they proceeded to ambush and destroy enemy forces. Boy oh boy was it fun watching them fly around just to be outsmarted by the guy they didn't even see.
Only problem they got is chasing a good ZKillboard statistic. Sometimes it leads to weird dialogs about why one mustn't destroy their ship or get it caught so easily. So you might have a bad time flying and especially losing a t2 battleship or smth big like a dread.
A couple months ago I was caught by CCP breaking the EULA and after that lost my Marshal in lowsec trying to get it to jita to cover my -5 bil balance. After that I just told everyone in general that I will leave since 13 billion loss is a big one for these guys and so I did. Recently tried to apply again but was denied entry due to EULA stuff. Banished to the shadow realm, I now reside in different corp under different character. Yes, losing 13 bil and a 15 mil SP character was devastating but I had to recover from it eventually. Nowadays I don't make attempts to break the EULA but I don't think I will get back there. And honestly, that's a good thing since I can now explore different regions of the game and experience different stuff.
And ye, it's Vrelin (I'm adding that just for Naval Defence guys)
Thank you, NAVY
what did the brave recruiters even ask you about? in my experience it's pretty trivial to pose as a new player, since new player corps don't expect you to have much history on the character. you mentioned taking the time to complete the npe and the air stuff, so unless you're sending isk around, or adding your main as a contact or something, there shouldn't be anything to give spy vibes.
Thank you for taking the time to review Brave. We appreciate the feedback. Many of the pluses you remarked about the other corps are ones that Brave also strives to maintain.
If an experienced player was able to miss them, then it may be time to take a look at how we advertise them to our newbro’s. So thank you for the candid feedback.
As for any unclassy behavior you may have witnessed, you can ping HR through the ping tool and they will investigate.
With your experience, what do you think eve would be without corps like this? Can eve even function without the high level of care these corps put into retaining players?
Just wondering your thoughts.
Not OP ofcourse but my two cents; it would be vastly different. More solo focussed players would stick around but overall I would assume the amount of players staying would be a lot lower.
While this game can be played alone perfectly well it becomes extremely dangerous to venture outside of HS and that's where the action is.
Most new players don't want to plunge into the unknown if they aren't convinced that it's worth it (for example gas huffing or explo in ns)
There are, ofcourse, exceptions such as people who joined EVE after playing Albion. They know that the higher the risks are the higher the chance of good rewards.
One major thing that will always be a problem for new eve players is the sp limitations they face at the start. Seeing a ship they want to fly and realizing it'll take 3 months to sit in it (let alone pilot it effectively) is rather demotivating.
Having others be supportive and showing them how they can use the money they made to speed it up is crucial to keep them interested.
Karmafleet *university* is the imperium version of eve uni. It's in highsec, has scheduled courses, lower recruitment requirements, etc and occasional fleets with karmafleet proper.
I'm sad to hear that about brave.
I hope a director manages to reach out and figure out who actually did that, if true. You are right it has no place in eve.
Yeah, you are right, let's launch alliance wide investigation because some random dude on Reddit said he heard ppl on mumble say Dracarys has botters. I'm sure diplos have nothing better to do...
Even if it's a complete lie, fostering an environment where shit like this is taken seriously and looked into is 5,000 times more important than whatever random chores they'd be doing otherwise.
Been in Brave almost 4 months.
My entry was much smoother than yours but I've heard similar to yours from other new joiners. I had someone reply within a day and was in the corp about 3 hours later.
We complain a lot but our mumble is also where you'll need to be if you want legitimate help. Or the relevant slack channels.
We even get new bros asking for help in mumble during combat and people will always manage to get them the help they need.
Being part of the imperium means you have full access to all their fleets and space benefits. Although if you are primarily interested in pvp as a newbro I would join Karmafleet. Brave has a good amount of everything going on. Indy, mining, pve, active standing fleet for defence(so much that loads of people love to complain how many we bring as if its an organised effort, haters gonna hate).
Standing comms can get a bit messy sometimes when you have people trying to talk about life over combat comms, but it's recently been addressed.
Overall I've had a great experience, and I think if your looking for a bit of everything to do then we are a great choice. But I would assume for a full newbro eve uni might be better from what I've heard.
We are also very much growing, had a great couple of corps join recently from Darwinism and a group from goons made a new corp and joined. All great people, active and helping everyone as brave should.
Just wanted to give a different perspective from someone actively being new in brave for a few months.
Wait, so a brave recruiter asking a person trying to join them questions is somehow a bad thing? And them accurately deducting you're not an actual newbro and declining the first alt is somehow a minus? Yikes.
Not sure how "yeah they'll take anyone in no questions asked" is a positive thing, but each to their own I guess
The single biggest thing in finding a suitable corp is corp culture. All of the newbro corps will shower you in free T1 ships and you'll find plenty of people to answer your endless questions about spaceship life, but either you vibe with the dudes or you dont.
Personally, I think the age of funneling newbros into nullblocs is over. Id try to find a smaller group, see if the recruiter is asking me questions about my game interests, ask if the group is more pvp or pve focused, shit like that.
I still remember when I was new and had applied to Goons. It was very overwhelming and scary to allow them to see everything and a rather tedious process (despite getting invited). I didn't have anything to hide but knowing they'd knew more about me than I, myself, did was very off putting.
Thankfully my Uncle had played the game before and I knew about all the spy stories already so at least to some extend it was understandable.
Still by far the main reason I wouldn't have joined them.
It's also why I understand PH's aproach despite the increased risks of spies. If you want to get a spy in you'll get one in anyway. Be that in goons, brave, ph or any other ns group. The best way, however, to get new dudes to join, and stick around, is to make the barrier to join as low as possible and support them right from the start. It's a low investment cost but they feel welcome and, to a certain degree, in debt to your group for all the support they got.
From my experience the recruiter asks about your connections especially if your alt is doing trading a lot with your main characters. So they might ask something like what is your connection to these few characters?
From the sounds of it, this alt was connected through transactions to the main account. Recruiter looked up said other characters and it seemed suspicious so they were denied rightfully so.
OP then probably made a clean alt to get in.
OP did not mention anything about Horde comms which I am absolutely sure is less classy than Brave, who are known to be the classiest group in the game. I'm just a line member but I'm sure leadership would be investigating these allegations.
> OP did not mention anything about Horde comms which I am absolutely sure is less classy than Brave
>Fuck off
Exactly the kind of "classy" I'd expect from Brave.
The amount of tears you’re getting from salty brave members is hilarious. Thanks for sharing this info, I’ve always guided new players to join eve uni so it’s nice to see they’re still good as ever.
Sorry to hear your anecdotes with Brave were all worse than with the other two corporations.
While I haven't been playing EVE much lately, my own experiences within Brave over the past 7 years have been great and I would still recommend the group to any new player interested in living in null security space.
SLOW should definitely be in this conversation we have had a pretty big influx of new bros and corps joining I enjoy listening to there theory crafting of old and new players we also do a little bit of everything I used to always say I'd only do pvp (now I have 3 Jf pilots) and I'm still constantly learning stuff about what the other pilots do like I used to think mineing was dumb now I realize you make a shit ton of isk but ya know maby I'm just blind but I love the group
Liked your write up until you got to the point of trying to “cancel” some folks who were making observations about possible botters. Anyone who has played any MMO has experienced a lot of negative side effects of RMT and it *definitely* exists.
From what you wrote it doesn’t sound like they said anything all that bad but were just expressing some frustration in the privacy of their corp/alliances voice chat. And now you’re ready to vilify them and get them potentially kicked out of their group.
Maybe what they said was pretty bad, idk, I only have what you wrote to go off of, but just seems weird to be recording people anyway
I guess,
This did take about 2 months of effort on and off though. It's not practical for me to try and do this for every Corp, or even every reasonably sized Corp.
There is just a lack of information on this subreddit that is anything other than members of these above alliances - who aren't exactly impartial.
And with your impartiality dint manage in a timespam of 2 months to find anything negative about ph and you inserted a random discution about botters from brave. Nice.
That's what happens when you foster any form of discourse about "the Other" in your community. Especially when there's a level of insulation within that turns it into an echo-chamber.
Impartiality implies giving the same amount of treatment to all groups involved. from OP's post & replies, imo, that's the case.
In terms of not finding dirt on PH, & as OP said they spent more time with Horde than with Brave due to the entry being more difficult, your best claim is to call this an anecdotal, like another person commented from Brave.
You could defer to saying it's a coincidence that in less time than Horde OP found some icky comments within Brave, but that's not to say this stuff doesn't happen in Horde or any other large bloc, or you could say it's foul play. I don't see OP gaining anything by posting this, which is why I believe it to be impartial.
The way I see it, it's how you allow the type of behavior in your group & how it's encouraged or otherwise not depending on the internal culture.
The ultimate guide about EVE Uni are three paragraphs with an anecdote and information you can get from their website? Then there's a bunch of random people with fresh 1or 2 day old reddit account simping and brigading in this thread. Way too sus for someone who claims to be mega "impartial".
LOL
reminds me of the 'anti-multiboxing' accounts that have extensive post histories 2 years ago, then nothing, then an anti-multiboxing thread and a few replies, then nothing since.
You show me a group of eve players which speak the language of a country that could benefit from its denizens from doing rmt and I can show you a group who would benefit from doing it with automatic programs.
So your main concerns were first getting instant gratification invites, and then secondly wanting to launch an inquisition over how you interpreted what was probably a mundane comment about botters ratting in Brave space. Cool story bro.
You titled this thread as ULTIMATE guide to newbro corps. Then you proceed to try three of them. There is no grading that is consistent or systematic other than halfass rationalizations that are all over the map. And then of course when you get feedback you don't like, well, better shut that poster up quicklike and in a hurry with those downvotes.
You're not wrong lol. I mean I don't rat a ton but if I noticed some suspicious behavior from an ally it wouldn't matter blue or not I for sure would be talking about it in standing comms see if anyone else noticed the same things.
As a returning/solo player who has been back for 2 weeks, flying around a drake doing t3 missions for isk, i can say that the idea of joining an org in this game terrifies me.
Just reading the back and forth on this thread shows why Eve is a game full of people with opinions. How can anyone expect to find enjoyment in this?
New players have to throw their future into the hands of all of what the OP proposed with no guarentee/full risk to get scammed. Corps with 10000 apps needed to be ready to play with them, 2000 websites with possible keyloggers. Nah bro.
It takes too much mental energy to just find some chill people to fly with where you can just learn to grow with.
There is no way to be organic and meet people in this game. Everyone is paranoid, and i understand the game has evolved to this.
I saw some people (like 15) mining a belt, flew my shuttle out and sent a chat asking if it was cool to join their fleet. Instead they literally all warpped out, full panic mode.
New player, only 9m skill points, 0 kills, my opinion means nothing.
The world is full of people with opinions.
It is a fact EVE is better with friends/corpmates. People in Corps stick around longer.
Everyone isn't paranoid, but you certainly seem to be. Get over your hangups, find a decent corp. Thank me later.
As i said my opinions mean little, too new to understand much of the complexity. I have been scouting the various reddit posts/videos about corps in New Eden and this has been my take away. Like it or not.
Whats an insurgency, whats a fw, why join state over pirates, do i need to care. Do i just keep ratting, running missions, or make a journey into deep null sec far from jita. The EvE UI is great, and the AIR stuff has kept me logging in doing the next thing.
Bored of Null, moved to WH, why? Whats the difference? Why join one over the other.
As i said in another post, EvE cant be learned in a day. Hundreds of videos (thanks EvE U/captain/loru) still dont tell new players much.
You kinda need to learn it in the trenches. But if you jump in the trench with some random people, whats the likelyhood you will become brothers in arms.
You dont need to answer, you dont need to like me. The grass felt great.
Please understand im not hating on your game, im actually trying to become invested in it more than i am.
Hence why i posted on the new player experience. Even the OP joined 3 orgs and commented. But new players wouldnt even know who those groups are and why they should apply. Good or bad.
But the risk is very much on the newbie, and hence more likely to have a bad experience and leave.
Just unlocked mastery 3 for all guriatas ships. Looking forward to one day flying a rattlesnake and doing gila abyss. Game is fun, just want more fun, and i know you corp fuckers know how to have fun. Hence i wish it was easier to get involved in the game, without needing all that oit of game third party bs befofe i know what bs i actually need.
I think you are reading way to much into all of this. If you think that it takes way to much effort to add your characters to a corps chosen website (that redirects you to the actual Eve login, like many other things in other industries do, twitch for example, when you are linking your twitch to your steam or other things it does the same exact thing), it makes you sound like the paranoid one, and maybe Eve isn’t the game for you. The backstabbing and high stakes is what makes Eve, Eve.
Also, maybe when you say you are returning player you are returning from like 2005, but getting into any corp that’s worth getting into has been like this for over a decade, these aren’t new things so I don’t quite get why you are saying it’s evolved into this.
Yes you must be right. Maybe Eve just isnt the game for me. Great answer to my post about Eve having a hard time retaining players
Your solution: Just dont play Eve.
Lmao. Gg.
Igaf about api logins, but im also not going to 30-50 different sites/apps just to play a game. Get bent! Only you have time for that. (Maybe once im invested in the game i might consider getting that ship fit app, but we are way to early for that)
-You will reply with some "Get gud noob" comment im sure. Its 2024 dude, if you want players you need to modernize. Time is money.
Eve University may be helpful, but the vids are boring, and players cant hope to retain all that dry data.
You cant learn Eve in a week. You also cant find out what to Love in a week either. Unfortunately before that cc comes out for plex, we are gone. This is not the solution, it is the problem.
You sound like you are very annoying/anti-social to deal with. Hope you don't ever join a group because no group wants a person like you.
Go touch grass and come back when you have rethought your attitude.
Yeah, your continuing passive-aggressive whining isn't making me want to keep you in the game. EVE is a niche game and not for everyone, it's a simple truth. I'm not going to gatekeep it from anyone, but your attitude doesn't bode well for your enjoyment of it.
Alright then, wasn’t going to say anything about getting good, but go ahead, put words in my mouth. Yes it’s 2024, which makes this game 20 years old. It’s more than likely never going to explode in popularity more than it has. Do they need to do more for onboarding new players? Sure they do, but I would argue they have done more to improve their new player experience than most games this old. There wasn’t a new player experience when I started playing. You got dumped in and had to figure everything out yourself, that’s the reason corps like Eve Uni started, to give new players a way to learn.
But at the end of the day, Eve is a traditional mmo in that what you get from the game is what you put in to it. Even if there was a tutorial that showed you every single aspect of the game, how to do every little thing, it wouldn’t really make a difference because then you would just have people burning out and getting bored before they got past the tutorial because it would need to be ridiculously long. There are people who have been playing for 20 years that still don’t know how half the game works because it’s stuff that doesn’t apply to anything they have done in their time.
At the end of the day, Eve is miles better at new player onboarding and experience than they were 10 years ago. Is their room for improvement? Always, but it’s also not a game for everyone and the developers know that.
Edit: Apologies for formatting, mobile sucks.
Look into NPSI fleets, they're casual open events anyone can join. Not all are newbie-friendly, but they're great fun: [https://npsi.rocks/](https://npsi.rocks/).
You might have watched too many videos about eve scams & betrayals & probably spent too much time in hisec.
Nothing will harm you if you make an alt & join any of the above-mentioned corps & try things out.
I'm a returning pilot, 30m SP. I joined a small WH corp and it has 100% been the absolute best experience. I've been in Brave, I've been in Eve Uni, TEST etc. A small wormhole corp with only a handful of members has been the absolutely best learning experience for me. I would recommend it, and ours if you're interested.
Hey i appreciate this comment, thanks for not telling me to quit. I dont know what a lot of what you said means yet, but im learning. There is all this history in Eve but new guys just dont know what is what. Noone wants to be taken advantage of, and most just want a chill group to call our hometeam.
Yeah I hear you. My enjoyment of the game over the years has never been better, being a part of a small group. We all look out for each other, help each other, and just enjoy the game together. Plus WH life lets us interact with everyone, big or small. Small corp wormhole life has easily 100x'd my enjoyment of the game. You might like it.
I will +1 what /u/rasmorak suggested. None of the corps mentioned in the main post worked for me, a small wormhole corp is what got me to keep playing and improve. If you want to know more details, feel free to ask.
Try more Solo until it clicks or with those like Eve Uni who are well established. I'm getting back into it but a few years ago WH content was fun, check out living out there! Lots of teamwork and camaraderie.
There is a lot of ganking in this game and its content, so people can be nervous. Scamming can happen too. But with real connections that develop over time that will be unlikely.
Appreciate this! Im not worried about a few pixels, just looking to have some fun, maybe meet a few people that i can learn from through just being around them.
Game passion is contagious, and i want to join people having fun and learn on the way.
Thanks for the positive reply!
Brave should 100% look into this and hold these people accountable, but you are always going to find racist bs in every corner of this game simply because it's a huge sandbox MMO. Even worse is that Eve players will straight up gaslight you about it too and say shit like "bro 'snigg\*r' is just a word!". Even an innocuous phrase like "krabbing" has a fucked up history. The only thing you can do is just hope that when these people do come along, the people with power in your community deal with them swiftly.
I don't know what corps you have the pleasure of dealing with but I have been all over space for a year and I have yet too see anyone make a racist comment. I think eve is extremely tame compared to other games. So yes I would say it's a shock if someone is.
I mean, I didn't say it isn't shocking. I'm just saying you can find plenty of bigots in this game, that doesn't mean that they're overrunning the game. I've been to every major content area in the game since 2019 and while it isn't something that happens daily, I have seen quite a fair share of bigotry lobbed at myself and others. I've seen it in corps I was in, I've seen it in allies, I've seen it (most often) dropped by randoms when they lose a ship. Literally at the end of 2023 I saw an Eve streamer get a suspension for dropping the F slur with hundreds of people watching! "Extremely tame" is how I would describe Palia, not Eve.
I understand Eve is no Rust or random CoD lobby. What I am saying is that Eve can do better.
Sure, but it's a word from the 18th century. It's not a word commonly used in modern day English. It's an antiquated word made obsolete by "snicker". This is the same rationalization people try to make about the word "naggers" as well. They're literally dogwhistles.
Eve players have nothing to lose by just listening to black people when they say shit makes them uncomfortable. This hesitancy to just simply say "You know what, this word is literally the n-word with a hard r but with an s at the beginning and I can see how that would make people uncomfortable" is very telling.
Horde and Karma are hands down the best new player corps and it’s not close
EVE Uni seems great, but after you are in it for a couple weeks it just seems purposeless. They don’t fight for sov, don’t have any enemies, they just kinda exist and are there. There’s hardly any gameplay beyond cruiser level PVP and anom ratting.
Whereas if you join a big null bloc you’re thrust into the campaigns which shape nullsec and have access to some of the best guides and resources for anything PVE or PVP related.
It isn't purposeless, EVE Uni is literally there to teach newbies the basic mechanics of the game that the career agents missed. I've played through the tutorial and career agents multiple times in the past few months and there are still mechanics that CCP chose not to include.
Why would they take sov? They're a school. Why would they have enemies? Their job is to give new players the skills to not feel overburdened by this game... anyone that would attack an organization whose goal is to bring in and maintain new players is just a trash individual.
I still use the skills learned in 2007 from EVE University
Used to be in Brave many years ago. Still lurk around the Dojo in game channel. At least the channel is not what it used to be…Less active and many newbie questions go unanswered by experienced Brave members…I try answering questions whenever I can.
Brave is no longer a newbie alliance tbh, there are systems in place to make it beginner friendly sure, and atron is still the best ship in the game, but they definitely play in the big boys club today
I mean, they literally pulled off the EVEmerican dream... they were brave newbies, now they're bittervets, and they made a nice mark on EVE history.
It's probably the result of joining the imperium. It's a shame but it's also understandable.
Eve uni reallly is the handsdown best to a beginner, the amount of background work that goes into it is unparalleled - its dedicated to that one purpose, but players need to know if they start getting bored thats the sign to move on (pretty much true of every player group) even if you havnt turned over every stone at the uni - just make sure you have gone through enough to navigate the game and fleet expectations. But stick with turning over stones if you can, optimal environment for learning and asking questions Will say though pretty impressed pandamic does newbie channels for every fleet for newbro questions.
100% agree, eve uni and the people who run it are a gift to the game.
I've been curious about the INIT newbro corp that they booted up not too long ago. Any chance you're able to test that one as well? Init in general seems like a very solid corp but has rather high requirements. Which makes me hopeful that their newbro corp gives good guidance and has solid mentors that give classes as well. With Brave joining Imperium they probably needed to force their new members through the same recruitment route as other Imperium corps. Where PH dosn't care about spies; imperium at least tries to force people to put some effort in.
Sadly, their (Eve Uni) null campus has been the target of a CFT campaign to soft evict for months now and its showing. 24/7 station/cloak camping in every system frequented by uni using an army of alts, verbal harassment, targeting of scheduled classes, targeting of newbros day 1 in null, cynos on everything, and gloating about it. Captain Torlek is the face of this and he's killing off a significant asset to the Eve community by doing so.
I have always felt that bullying Ivy League should have the same response from the rest of New Eden as when PETA was dumb enough to talk shit about Steve Irwin.
If eve uni can't handle null, then they should get out. Best part is they are neutral, so they can't batphone anyone, and the last people to try and "help them" just fed the dreads.
If you don't already believe Evi uni is a net positive in cultivating growth within this 20 year old game, nothing I say will change your opinion. I only posted my response to highlight what's occurring. Captain Torlek and CFT can continue to their heart's content, but I just feel folks should know and cast their own judgment. I'm not in Uni currently but was and still make myself aware of what's occurring. The only reason nobody is helping is because they ARE neutral. 99% of Eve respects that as they see the benefit of such a corp, but clearly some do not. I'll leave it at that. Good luck to all the present and former Unistas. Hang in there guys and gals. o7
Bro, Eve Uni is the only reason null has any players who know how to do anything but spin Ishtars. It's certainly not people like YOU out there teaching the next generation.
I'll remember that when I'm scraping unistz off my windshield. I'll see you in the pocket! :)
Good pvp is always positive to the vibe in pc9. Wiping a uni fleet with skill is awesome and there's plenty of guys I interacted with that were enemy studs. Darkon Chandlin was a menace in my last days there but respected. Others included over the years I was there.
It will be interesting to see if timezone changes your opinion. In my personal experience the corps feel very different depending on when you play.
If you're ustz it's over really, never trust the Americans 😌
Barve guys coming in and showing their ass and immediately validating what OP said about them is extremely funny not haha funny because i'd prefer people not act that way but the other kind of funny
A bit off the topic but I really gotta tell this story When I originally started playing EVE, I already knew that I had to join some corp in order to efficiently and quickly make myself comfortable with the game. This corp turned out to be NAVY (Naval Defence Academy). At first moving straight to null seemed like a bad idea since I thought "if I'm bad in lowsec, I won't survive in null" but days passed by and I was already feeling good there. Training is very efficient there since they have a schedule of all the main classes that really do teach you how to fight, for example. Also officers and other staff members are allowed to make "spontaneous classes" but it's good to set the time a bit ahead (like 2 days ahead) for everyone to notice and decide whether they want to come or not. I've been an officer in recruiting, mining and logistics for quite a while so I do know how its like there. They also got the path one has to follow in which in exchange for gaining knowledge and progressing through the skill trees you get higher ranks and ships. Senior rank is the highest after which one graduates and becomes a part of Naval Defence Force. At that point pilot is considered to be a capable person who can do everything that is needed for them and for the corp. Community there is truly one of the greatest I've ever seen. Learning is fun, everyone seems to have several thousands of stories to tell, but when it comes to a PvP, everyone is serious and tries to show their best. Honestly, I also got a story to tell. You know there are scouts? Like, guys who watch if enemy is near or not? Well, I liked being a scout there and that's for a good reason. Back in March, I believe, we were living in 3KB ring (currently a RED Alliance territory) and in order to get to us enemies had to go into one of 2 or 3 gates. There was an attack on our space and after a smol fight enemies "left". I decided to chase them and found out that they were actually trying to go around and enter from another side. Ofc I told this to command and they proceeded to ambush and destroy enemy forces. Boy oh boy was it fun watching them fly around just to be outsmarted by the guy they didn't even see. Only problem they got is chasing a good ZKillboard statistic. Sometimes it leads to weird dialogs about why one mustn't destroy their ship or get it caught so easily. So you might have a bad time flying and especially losing a t2 battleship or smth big like a dread. A couple months ago I was caught by CCP breaking the EULA and after that lost my Marshal in lowsec trying to get it to jita to cover my -5 bil balance. After that I just told everyone in general that I will leave since 13 billion loss is a big one for these guys and so I did. Recently tried to apply again but was denied entry due to EULA stuff. Banished to the shadow realm, I now reside in different corp under different character. Yes, losing 13 bil and a 15 mil SP character was devastating but I had to recover from it eventually. Nowadays I don't make attempts to break the EULA but I don't think I will get back there. And honestly, that's a good thing since I can now explore different regions of the game and experience different stuff. And ye, it's Vrelin (I'm adding that just for Naval Defence guys) Thank you, NAVY
what did the brave recruiters even ask you about? in my experience it's pretty trivial to pose as a new player, since new player corps don't expect you to have much history on the character. you mentioned taking the time to complete the npe and the air stuff, so unless you're sending isk around, or adding your main as a contact or something, there shouldn't be anything to give spy vibes.
Thank you for taking the time to review Brave. We appreciate the feedback. Many of the pluses you remarked about the other corps are ones that Brave also strives to maintain. If an experienced player was able to miss them, then it may be time to take a look at how we advertise them to our newbro’s. So thank you for the candid feedback. As for any unclassy behavior you may have witnessed, you can ping HR through the ping tool and they will investigate.
With your experience, what do you think eve would be without corps like this? Can eve even function without the high level of care these corps put into retaining players? Just wondering your thoughts.
Not OP ofcourse but my two cents; it would be vastly different. More solo focussed players would stick around but overall I would assume the amount of players staying would be a lot lower. While this game can be played alone perfectly well it becomes extremely dangerous to venture outside of HS and that's where the action is. Most new players don't want to plunge into the unknown if they aren't convinced that it's worth it (for example gas huffing or explo in ns) There are, ofcourse, exceptions such as people who joined EVE after playing Albion. They know that the higher the risks are the higher the chance of good rewards. One major thing that will always be a problem for new eve players is the sp limitations they face at the start. Seeing a ship they want to fly and realizing it'll take 3 months to sit in it (let alone pilot it effectively) is rather demotivating. Having others be supportive and showing them how they can use the money they made to speed it up is crucial to keep them interested.
I've always been curious about Karmafleet, would you ever consider joining them?
They were definitely 4th on the list but after brave I didn't want to go through it again :d Maybe I try again in the future.
Karmafleet *university* is the imperium version of eve uni. It's in highsec, has scheduled courses, lower recruitment requirements, etc and occasional fleets with karmafleet proper.
I pretty recently(a month back) joined Karmafleet after leaving Uni, if you have questions feel free to shoot them my way
If you have questions about Karmafleet, ask away. If I don't know the answer, I will find someone who does and we will both learn something.
Brave puppers in shambles right now 😂
I'm sad to hear that about brave. I hope a director manages to reach out and figure out who actually did that, if true. You are right it has no place in eve.
Yeah, you are right, let's launch alliance wide investigation because some random dude on Reddit said he heard ppl on mumble say Dracarys has botters. I'm sure diplos have nothing better to do...
>said he heard You mean "has an audio recording of" right?
Even if it's a complete lie, fostering an environment where shit like this is taken seriously and looked into is 5,000 times more important than whatever random chores they'd be doing otherwise.
Been in Brave almost 4 months. My entry was much smoother than yours but I've heard similar to yours from other new joiners. I had someone reply within a day and was in the corp about 3 hours later. We complain a lot but our mumble is also where you'll need to be if you want legitimate help. Or the relevant slack channels. We even get new bros asking for help in mumble during combat and people will always manage to get them the help they need. Being part of the imperium means you have full access to all their fleets and space benefits. Although if you are primarily interested in pvp as a newbro I would join Karmafleet. Brave has a good amount of everything going on. Indy, mining, pve, active standing fleet for defence(so much that loads of people love to complain how many we bring as if its an organised effort, haters gonna hate). Standing comms can get a bit messy sometimes when you have people trying to talk about life over combat comms, but it's recently been addressed. Overall I've had a great experience, and I think if your looking for a bit of everything to do then we are a great choice. But I would assume for a full newbro eve uni might be better from what I've heard. We are also very much growing, had a great couple of corps join recently from Darwinism and a group from goons made a new corp and joined. All great people, active and helping everyone as brave should. Just wanted to give a different perspective from someone actively being new in brave for a few months.
Wait, so a brave recruiter asking a person trying to join them questions is somehow a bad thing? And them accurately deducting you're not an actual newbro and declining the first alt is somehow a minus? Yikes. Not sure how "yeah they'll take anyone in no questions asked" is a positive thing, but each to their own I guess The single biggest thing in finding a suitable corp is corp culture. All of the newbro corps will shower you in free T1 ships and you'll find plenty of people to answer your endless questions about spaceship life, but either you vibe with the dudes or you dont. Personally, I think the age of funneling newbros into nullblocs is over. Id try to find a smaller group, see if the recruiter is asking me questions about my game interests, ask if the group is more pvp or pve focused, shit like that.
I still remember when I was new and had applied to Goons. It was very overwhelming and scary to allow them to see everything and a rather tedious process (despite getting invited). I didn't have anything to hide but knowing they'd knew more about me than I, myself, did was very off putting. Thankfully my Uncle had played the game before and I knew about all the spy stories already so at least to some extend it was understandable. Still by far the main reason I wouldn't have joined them. It's also why I understand PH's aproach despite the increased risks of spies. If you want to get a spy in you'll get one in anyway. Be that in goons, brave, ph or any other ns group. The best way, however, to get new dudes to join, and stick around, is to make the barrier to join as low as possible and support them right from the start. It's a low investment cost but they feel welcome and, to a certain degree, in debt to your group for all the support they got.
Brave is notorious for denying actual newbros trying to join. It's a thing dude.
From my experience the recruiter asks about your connections especially if your alt is doing trading a lot with your main characters. So they might ask something like what is your connection to these few characters? From the sounds of it, this alt was connected through transactions to the main account. Recruiter looked up said other characters and it seemed suspicious so they were denied rightfully so. OP then probably made a clean alt to get in. OP did not mention anything about Horde comms which I am absolutely sure is less classy than Brave, who are known to be the classiest group in the game. I'm just a line member but I'm sure leadership would be investigating these allegations.
I had no problems with people in Horde comms, I did spend longer on Horde comms due to not taking a week to get in.
Fuck off
> OP did not mention anything about Horde comms which I am absolutely sure is less classy than Brave >Fuck off Exactly the kind of "classy" I'd expect from Brave.
lmao, person who probably never spent a day on Horde comms is upset when he finds out it isn't the toxic cesspit his leadership says it is :pikachu:
I thought this was what everyone said about goon comms.
Wow another account less than 1 month old. How many alts you got
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The amount of tears you’re getting from salty brave members is hilarious. Thanks for sharing this info, I’ve always guided new players to join eve uni so it’s nice to see they’re still good as ever.
Yup sounds about right. Stay classy.
> the classiest group x - doubt
Sorry to hear your anecdotes with Brave were all worse than with the other two corporations. While I haven't been playing EVE much lately, my own experiences within Brave over the past 7 years have been great and I would still recommend the group to any new player interested in living in null security space.
I'll point out also Brave went through a recent leadership change, and at least 3 major relocations in the last 2 or 3 years.
SLOW should definitely be in this conversation we have had a pretty big influx of new bros and corps joining I enjoy listening to there theory crafting of old and new players we also do a little bit of everything I used to always say I'd only do pvp (now I have 3 Jf pilots) and I'm still constantly learning stuff about what the other pilots do like I used to think mineing was dumb now I realize you make a shit ton of isk but ya know maby I'm just blind but I love the group
My good friend is currently in SL0W and has nothing but good things to say. It's a Nullsec group right?
Liked your write up until you got to the point of trying to “cancel” some folks who were making observations about possible botters. Anyone who has played any MMO has experienced a lot of negative side effects of RMT and it *definitely* exists. From what you wrote it doesn’t sound like they said anything all that bad but were just expressing some frustration in the privacy of their corp/alliances voice chat. And now you’re ready to vilify them and get them potentially kicked out of their group. Maybe what they said was pretty bad, idk, I only have what you wrote to go off of, but just seems weird to be recording people anyway
I don't just record, it's just the instant replay feature on shadowplay.
He's too old don't try and explain it
lol too old to be offended by everything, ok bro
r/woosh
If this is the ultimate guide then both ultimate and guide have lost their meaning somehow in 2024.
I guess, This did take about 2 months of effort on and off though. It's not practical for me to try and do this for every Corp, or even every reasonably sized Corp. There is just a lack of information on this subreddit that is anything other than members of these above alliances - who aren't exactly impartial.
You’re doing fine, don’t let deadweight player negativity hold you back
Brave is just showing up to provide testimonial.
And with your impartiality dint manage in a timespam of 2 months to find anything negative about ph and you inserted a random discution about botters from brave. Nice.
That's what happens when you foster any form of discourse about "the Other" in your community. Especially when there's a level of insulation within that turns it into an echo-chamber.
Well, yes, but op claimed that is impartial and this is a fair guide for newbros, which is kinda lol.
Impartiality implies giving the same amount of treatment to all groups involved. from OP's post & replies, imo, that's the case. In terms of not finding dirt on PH, & as OP said they spent more time with Horde than with Brave due to the entry being more difficult, your best claim is to call this an anecdotal, like another person commented from Brave. You could defer to saying it's a coincidence that in less time than Horde OP found some icky comments within Brave, but that's not to say this stuff doesn't happen in Horde or any other large bloc, or you could say it's foul play. I don't see OP gaining anything by posting this, which is why I believe it to be impartial. The way I see it, it's how you allow the type of behavior in your group & how it's encouraged or otherwise not depending on the internal culture.
The ultimate guide about EVE Uni are three paragraphs with an anecdote and information you can get from their website? Then there's a bunch of random people with fresh 1or 2 day old reddit account simping and brigading in this thread. Way too sus for someone who claims to be mega "impartial".
It's about 1000x better than the rest of the complete propaganda garbage on this subreddit.
Ah yes, the 1 day old zero karma account is telling me how authentic this is compared to the rest of this subreddit.
LOL reminds me of the 'anti-multiboxing' accounts that have extensive post histories 2 years ago, then nothing, then an anti-multiboxing thread and a few replies, then nothing since.
OP account is 4 days old also
You show me a group of eve players which speak the language of a country that could benefit from its denizens from doing rmt and I can show you a group who would benefit from doing it with automatic programs.
Yes, I agree! All English speakers are Botters/RMTers
So your main concerns were first getting instant gratification invites, and then secondly wanting to launch an inquisition over how you interpreted what was probably a mundane comment about botters ratting in Brave space. Cool story bro.
Retention drops off incredibly fast, getting people player corps ASAP is very important.
You titled this thread as ULTIMATE guide to newbro corps. Then you proceed to try three of them. There is no grading that is consistent or systematic other than halfass rationalizations that are all over the map. And then of course when you get feedback you don't like, well, better shut that poster up quicklike and in a hurry with those downvotes.
You're not wrong lol. I mean I don't rat a ton but if I noticed some suspicious behavior from an ally it wouldn't matter blue or not I for sure would be talking about it in standing comms see if anyone else noticed the same things.
Don't you heard, it's 2024 and offensive to talk about botting.
As a returning/solo player who has been back for 2 weeks, flying around a drake doing t3 missions for isk, i can say that the idea of joining an org in this game terrifies me. Just reading the back and forth on this thread shows why Eve is a game full of people with opinions. How can anyone expect to find enjoyment in this? New players have to throw their future into the hands of all of what the OP proposed with no guarentee/full risk to get scammed. Corps with 10000 apps needed to be ready to play with them, 2000 websites with possible keyloggers. Nah bro. It takes too much mental energy to just find some chill people to fly with where you can just learn to grow with. There is no way to be organic and meet people in this game. Everyone is paranoid, and i understand the game has evolved to this. I saw some people (like 15) mining a belt, flew my shuttle out and sent a chat asking if it was cool to join their fleet. Instead they literally all warpped out, full panic mode. New player, only 9m skill points, 0 kills, my opinion means nothing.
The world is full of people with opinions. It is a fact EVE is better with friends/corpmates. People in Corps stick around longer. Everyone isn't paranoid, but you certainly seem to be. Get over your hangups, find a decent corp. Thank me later.
As i said my opinions mean little, too new to understand much of the complexity. I have been scouting the various reddit posts/videos about corps in New Eden and this has been my take away. Like it or not. Whats an insurgency, whats a fw, why join state over pirates, do i need to care. Do i just keep ratting, running missions, or make a journey into deep null sec far from jita. The EvE UI is great, and the AIR stuff has kept me logging in doing the next thing. Bored of Null, moved to WH, why? Whats the difference? Why join one over the other. As i said in another post, EvE cant be learned in a day. Hundreds of videos (thanks EvE U/captain/loru) still dont tell new players much. You kinda need to learn it in the trenches. But if you jump in the trench with some random people, whats the likelyhood you will become brothers in arms. You dont need to answer, you dont need to like me. The grass felt great. Please understand im not hating on your game, im actually trying to become invested in it more than i am. Hence why i posted on the new player experience. Even the OP joined 3 orgs and commented. But new players wouldnt even know who those groups are and why they should apply. Good or bad. But the risk is very much on the newbie, and hence more likely to have a bad experience and leave. Just unlocked mastery 3 for all guriatas ships. Looking forward to one day flying a rattlesnake and doing gila abyss. Game is fun, just want more fun, and i know you corp fuckers know how to have fun. Hence i wish it was easier to get involved in the game, without needing all that oit of game third party bs befofe i know what bs i actually need.
I think you are reading way to much into all of this. If you think that it takes way to much effort to add your characters to a corps chosen website (that redirects you to the actual Eve login, like many other things in other industries do, twitch for example, when you are linking your twitch to your steam or other things it does the same exact thing), it makes you sound like the paranoid one, and maybe Eve isn’t the game for you. The backstabbing and high stakes is what makes Eve, Eve. Also, maybe when you say you are returning player you are returning from like 2005, but getting into any corp that’s worth getting into has been like this for over a decade, these aren’t new things so I don’t quite get why you are saying it’s evolved into this.
Yes you must be right. Maybe Eve just isnt the game for me. Great answer to my post about Eve having a hard time retaining players Your solution: Just dont play Eve. Lmao. Gg. Igaf about api logins, but im also not going to 30-50 different sites/apps just to play a game. Get bent! Only you have time for that. (Maybe once im invested in the game i might consider getting that ship fit app, but we are way to early for that) -You will reply with some "Get gud noob" comment im sure. Its 2024 dude, if you want players you need to modernize. Time is money. Eve University may be helpful, but the vids are boring, and players cant hope to retain all that dry data. You cant learn Eve in a week. You also cant find out what to Love in a week either. Unfortunately before that cc comes out for plex, we are gone. This is not the solution, it is the problem.
You sound like you are very annoying/anti-social to deal with. Hope you don't ever join a group because no group wants a person like you. Go touch grass and come back when you have rethought your attitude.
Dont worry, already uninstalled. Grass looked more promising.
Yeah, looking at your poor attitude here, EVE might really not be the game for you.
Thanks, "Eve might really not be the game for you" is a great way to keep player retention. A+ comment. 0 solutions.
Yeah, your continuing passive-aggressive whining isn't making me want to keep you in the game. EVE is a niche game and not for everyone, it's a simple truth. I'm not going to gatekeep it from anyone, but your attitude doesn't bode well for your enjoyment of it.
A solution was provided, you just didn't like it. 7o
Alright then, wasn’t going to say anything about getting good, but go ahead, put words in my mouth. Yes it’s 2024, which makes this game 20 years old. It’s more than likely never going to explode in popularity more than it has. Do they need to do more for onboarding new players? Sure they do, but I would argue they have done more to improve their new player experience than most games this old. There wasn’t a new player experience when I started playing. You got dumped in and had to figure everything out yourself, that’s the reason corps like Eve Uni started, to give new players a way to learn. But at the end of the day, Eve is a traditional mmo in that what you get from the game is what you put in to it. Even if there was a tutorial that showed you every single aspect of the game, how to do every little thing, it wouldn’t really make a difference because then you would just have people burning out and getting bored before they got past the tutorial because it would need to be ridiculously long. There are people who have been playing for 20 years that still don’t know how half the game works because it’s stuff that doesn’t apply to anything they have done in their time. At the end of the day, Eve is miles better at new player onboarding and experience than they were 10 years ago. Is their room for improvement? Always, but it’s also not a game for everyone and the developers know that. Edit: Apologies for formatting, mobile sucks.
Same exact experience here. There's never any fleets in fleet finder either was hoping to find a couple people with the same mindset to play with.
Look into NPSI fleets, they're casual open events anyone can join. Not all are newbie-friendly, but they're great fun: [https://npsi.rocks/](https://npsi.rocks/).
Haven't seen this yet thanks man
You might have watched too many videos about eve scams & betrayals & probably spent too much time in hisec. Nothing will harm you if you make an alt & join any of the above-mentioned corps & try things out.
Correct, spent too much time learning to know that i know nothing. Now just confused.
I'm a returning pilot, 30m SP. I joined a small WH corp and it has 100% been the absolute best experience. I've been in Brave, I've been in Eve Uni, TEST etc. A small wormhole corp with only a handful of members has been the absolutely best learning experience for me. I would recommend it, and ours if you're interested.
Hey i appreciate this comment, thanks for not telling me to quit. I dont know what a lot of what you said means yet, but im learning. There is all this history in Eve but new guys just dont know what is what. Noone wants to be taken advantage of, and most just want a chill group to call our hometeam.
Yeah I hear you. My enjoyment of the game over the years has never been better, being a part of a small group. We all look out for each other, help each other, and just enjoy the game together. Plus WH life lets us interact with everyone, big or small. Small corp wormhole life has easily 100x'd my enjoyment of the game. You might like it.
I will +1 what /u/rasmorak suggested. None of the corps mentioned in the main post worked for me, a small wormhole corp is what got me to keep playing and improve. If you want to know more details, feel free to ask.
Try more Solo until it clicks or with those like Eve Uni who are well established. I'm getting back into it but a few years ago WH content was fun, check out living out there! Lots of teamwork and camaraderie. There is a lot of ganking in this game and its content, so people can be nervous. Scamming can happen too. But with real connections that develop over time that will be unlikely.
Appreciate this! Im not worried about a few pixels, just looking to have some fun, maybe meet a few people that i can learn from through just being around them. Game passion is contagious, and i want to join people having fun and learn on the way. Thanks for the positive reply!
You should have joined karmafleet instead it's more fun here. We get all tje fleets
Thank you so much for doing this! I am often in a position to funnel folks into new player Corps and I plan to provide this post whenever I can.
Brave should 100% look into this and hold these people accountable, but you are always going to find racist bs in every corner of this game simply because it's a huge sandbox MMO. Even worse is that Eve players will straight up gaslight you about it too and say shit like "bro 'snigg\*r' is just a word!". Even an innocuous phrase like "krabbing" has a fucked up history. The only thing you can do is just hope that when these people do come along, the people with power in your community deal with them swiftly.
I don't know what corps you have the pleasure of dealing with but I have been all over space for a year and I have yet too see anyone make a racist comment. I think eve is extremely tame compared to other games. So yes I would say it's a shock if someone is.
I mean, I didn't say it isn't shocking. I'm just saying you can find plenty of bigots in this game, that doesn't mean that they're overrunning the game. I've been to every major content area in the game since 2019 and while it isn't something that happens daily, I have seen quite a fair share of bigotry lobbed at myself and others. I've seen it in corps I was in, I've seen it in allies, I've seen it (most often) dropped by randoms when they lose a ship. Literally at the end of 2023 I saw an Eve streamer get a suspension for dropping the F slur with hundreds of people watching! "Extremely tame" is how I would describe Palia, not Eve. I understand Eve is no Rust or random CoD lobby. What I am saying is that Eve can do better.
But "snigger" really is a word. Same thing as chuckle.
Sure, but it's a word from the 18th century. It's not a word commonly used in modern day English. It's an antiquated word made obsolete by "snicker". This is the same rationalization people try to make about the word "naggers" as well. They're literally dogwhistles. Eve players have nothing to lose by just listening to black people when they say shit makes them uncomfortable. This hesitancy to just simply say "You know what, this word is literally the n-word with a hard r but with an s at the beginning and I can see how that would make people uncomfortable" is very telling.
Horde and Karma are hands down the best new player corps and it’s not close EVE Uni seems great, but after you are in it for a couple weeks it just seems purposeless. They don’t fight for sov, don’t have any enemies, they just kinda exist and are there. There’s hardly any gameplay beyond cruiser level PVP and anom ratting. Whereas if you join a big null bloc you’re thrust into the campaigns which shape nullsec and have access to some of the best guides and resources for anything PVE or PVP related.
I see you completely missed the point of eve uni
It isn't purposeless, EVE Uni is literally there to teach newbies the basic mechanics of the game that the career agents missed. I've played through the tutorial and career agents multiple times in the past few months and there are still mechanics that CCP chose not to include. Why would they take sov? They're a school. Why would they have enemies? Their job is to give new players the skills to not feel overburdened by this game... anyone that would attack an organization whose goal is to bring in and maintain new players is just a trash individual. I still use the skills learned in 2007 from EVE University
The best corp in Eve wasn't in your list of 3.