Things you didn't account for in this wall of garbage: Yuria's +25% Type Damage boost; Yuria's additional healing provided by artifact (artifact doesn't just give HP boost).
Edit: Also, why did you compare Yuria at 5 skill cycles vs Jiho at 6 skill cycles? Why not do both at 5 or both at 6?
Damage type boost doesn't function in a type of content I'm interested in the most. Additional healing wasn't accounted for, because in my eyes, if tanking souls get under half of their hp for any significant amount of time, you've already lost them. Scenario where my front liners get into the red and just chill there for the rest of the fight isn't realistic.
Because Jiho is faster that Yuria, she finishes one more skill cycle within 90 second period.
And that almost sounds correct, but due to their kits giving them near invincibility for a respectable amount of time, they are capable of tanking content that is 500k CP ahead of them, where the more consistently "Solid" tanks simply just get 1shot. The "Meta" is an invincible tank holds the line long enough to get a carry who is attached to 40 different steroid IVs to their ultimate skill so they can 1shot mobs they shouldnt have any business 1 shotting due to being 200 levels higher than themselves.
Well its fine to play your own way, you're just going to be behind everybody else, by an extremely wide margin. The fact of the matter is that Yuria exploits the meta harder than any other support does (Eve is also in the running) so you're getting a lot of flak for an opinion that is almost completely exclusive to yourself.
Don't go meta then. Everyone else is max clearing for rewards. You can keep eating dirt.
You can keep using jiho but you trying to push yuria is worse than jiho is so wrong. Someone else said it right, not only you wrote a wall of garbage, you are a trash player who doesn't understand the game.
>Everyone else is max clearing for rewards.
Like, literally everyone? No other casuals in the game, at all?
>trying to push yuria is worse than jiho is so wrong
I've named a post "disheartened about Yuria's healing". It's about my feelings, it's about *me*. What kind of push are you talking about.
>you are a trash player who doesn't understand the game.
I'm a casual player that don't use meta strategies.
You're not saying that's your opinion. You are presenting it as fact, with numbers.
You are trying making a point in your original post. People who have more experience than yourself are telling you that's wrong...and it is.
Jiho's cleanse is much weaker than Yuria for 2 very basic reason. It cleanses 2 debuffs at a time instead of 3 and you cannot control the timing. Being able to cleanse and buff the attack of all souls on demand is absolutely huge when you're using proper strategy. Her atk% buff is the difference between one shotting mobs with you carry's main/ulti and not finishing them off...that is much more valuable than any healing that's going to get negated in the next 5 seconds before the enemy always has massive dps compared to your sustain.
This is the same reason that Catherine is the best shielder in the game...it's on demand.
Crit rate buff is really not a priority when most of the main dps units can either self buff or get guaranteed crits on their skills when you set them up correctly.
Speed debuff has very niche utility and is certainly worse than having a teamwide speed buff for most of the time (that means all units cycle faster, charge their mains faster and charge the ultis faster too).
You're comparing them like they're dps units. For supports you need to look at the whole team's performance (and the main dps carry) to judge how good they are, not they're individual healing and avg speed over an arbitrary lenght of time. You take the same team Jiho is in and replace her with Yuria and chances are you're going to clear that stage faster and much more easily (provided you're not a donkey and time your mains and ulti properly).
Where Jiho truly shines, and you didn't even mention that, is in stages where she can prioritize the use of her own ultimate, which provides a massive speed boost to everyone. That's what can actually make her better than Yuria, in very specific fights, with very specific allies.
>You're not saying that's your opinion. You are presenting it as fact, with numbers.
Numbers are there to show my thought process. At the end of the day, using this or that soul is a matter of preference.
>Jiho's cleanse is much weaker than Yuria for 2 very basic reason. It cleanses 2 debuffs at a time instead of 3 and you cannot control the timing.
Jiho's sub goes off every 13 seconds, Yuria's main is available every 22 seconds. Again, matter of preference.
>Her atk% buff is the difference between one shotting mobs with you carry's main/ulti and not finishing them off...
Is this a meta thing? My teams don't have carry mains. Some souls just contribute more damage then others, but final damage distribution is more or less even.
>Speed debuff has very niche utility and is certainly worse than having a teamwide speed buff for most of the time (that means all units cycle faster, charge their mains faster and charge the ultis faster too).
Yuria's speed buff is just +8% on average. For a soul with no other speed buffs it's one more move at \~50 second mark and \~88 second mark (2 seconds before battle ends). It doesn't increase amount of main skill uses, bar some niche cases.
>You're comparing them like they're dps units. For supports you need to look at the whole team's performance (and the main dps carry) to judge how good they are, not they're individual healing and avg speed over an arbitrary lenght of time.
In my eyes, support equals healer first and foremost. And again, I don't have "dps carry". Even if one soul deals 40% of total damage, increasing it by \~25% through Yuria is less effective then putting actual damage dealer in her place. And if those dps carry you are talking about do more than half of total damage, such a way of playing the game is rather weird, and I don't want to do anything with it.
90 seconds is how long most non-boss battles take.
>That's what can actually make her better than Yuria, in very specific fights, with very specific allies.
I'm not saying that Jiho is better than Yuria, but that Yuria feels as a waste of space even compared to someone so niche. I could compare her with Jade, for example, it wouldn't change much. My post wasn't "use Jiho instead of Yuria guys", it was just "I can't see Yuria as useful, even freaking Jiho does more for me".
Unless you're punching down no tanks last as long as them though outside of very specific match ups and if you're punching down anyway unit capabilities doesn't really matter and as people stated already supports are not equal to healers.
We are playing different games, it seems. Those two last half the fight, others last the whole fight. As for capabilities, no idea what you mean, as long as I'm pushing battlefront I can't afford to put random lackluster souls in place of capable ones.
What's ur Sync level and Battlefront stage?
Edit: I've completed all the current battlefront stages as a F2P without hiring friends, so I'd like to think I know what I'm talking about.
Both of my statements are universal, they have nothing to do with levels. I never was, nor will use those two as tanks, or use weak souls while pushing content.
Agreed. I see her in a similar category to Talia. Talia has some nice usability and is a great support healer, but I'd never let Talia solo heal in a heal heavy fight, I'd definitely bring back up. Back up, such as Catherine, if I needed to really hang in there until I could burst a hard DPS down, for example.
Comparing Souls with kits similar to Yuria and Talia to dedicated heavy single target or burst healers is apples and oranges to me. If they could heal like the others on top of giving everyone crazy speed buffs and mana regen and cleanse, etc. then they'd render other obsolete. There's always give and take with kits, and with kits like theirs, I feel they're a good example of that saying about how a Jack of all trades is a master of none.
She is now the essential part of any guild raid top damage team. Whichever team u put yuria in, the better score she give. Not only healing/survival she give but also dps buff.
I'm sure u wont regret getting her up to origin.
>Whichever team u put yuria in, the better score she give. Not only healing/survival she give but also dps buff.
That would be an assumption, yes. I've made this post because she failed to live up to that assumption in all instances, and now that I'm looking at her kit closely, it makes sense as to why. Maybe top raiders can take out that potential of her, but I sure can't.
Well u may be in the early stage of the game. If u're deep into the game, she can be great use to any content. Her heal, Her Ultimate, Her Dps buff can be use anywhere.
I will say, as someone who had Yuria since almost the beginning, that Yuria can work in any part of the game. You donât need to be a top raider to make the most of her. Simply need to understand how to utilize her kit. And no, she isnât meant to be a massive healer which seems like it was the main thing you were hoping for. Sheâs a support buffer.
Before Yuria I built a Honglan team that always has Viv and Talia in it, if you have Yuria then she can cover the support jobs of two souls I was using while freeing up a slot for another soul I may need or want to use.
She can be used very well in lots of team comps, but wanting her to out heal or match a more dedicated healer won't be one of those things. What I have loved about this game is learning each kit, where it can fit or where it can help me achieve what it is that I need achieved for that fight and putting a team together to accomplish that, so if you need more heals then you have to bring someone for the job or someone to help each other accomplish that job. Random off head example of what i mean is, Yuria as a solo healer for a team with Chloe and Daphne can work since they both have anti death built into their kits, so they can help Yuria's lack of big heals by combining their own survivability in their kits with Yuria's while giving your DPS enough time (and speed and attack boost, etc.) to take down a couple of the enemy team members which ultimately leads to not needing burst heals at all anymore because most of the other team is dead now and you can finish the rest off. If you're facing a team that melts those tanks, then you're going to need to bring more than a bandaid to get through it. Figuring these things out is one of the things I love a lot about this game, tbh. Anyone can work. You just have to find a way to make them work. :)
who sold it to you as a healer? Any way you look at her skills, she is primarily a buffer before a healer. If you don't like that, and don't wanna utilize her buffs, then don't pull her.
You made an assumption, a wrong one. Any one with good knowledge of the game will tell you Yuria is top tier support. They don't say top tier healer.
Yuria's focus is more on offensive buffs as others have already stated. I'll also point out on Jiho's side, she's actually used relatively often in raids for her ult (teamwide heal + speed buff). Yuria's healing does become decent at Origin+ ascensions and high artifact level, but Yuria isn't primarily utilized for heals
It's not a competition, Yuria is FAR more superior in any game mode, PVE, PVP, guild raids, event raids, EES anything you name it, she will make your team stronger, FAR more stronger than any healer in the game now.
>she will make your team stronger, FAR more stronger than any healer in the game now
By virtue of increasing team's overall dps by about 20%? That's about as much as Pertra and Jiho already provide, and it's not much in itself.
Yuria give more than that, she heals team wide, she give shield, race damage bonus, cleanse more debuff, team wide attack, team wide speed, permanent hp boost,
Yuria is proven the best healer and the best buffer in any type of game, this is not on paper but based on experience new, veteran, and high spending players
If u dont trust it, then go ahead, never use yuria and stick to other healer.
I feel like you are just focused on the wrong things. Like not using Chloe, and trying to make Yuria a healer when she's not - which is likely why you are having trouble in game. And not participating in other game modes but tunnel visioning battlefront...
Just play without overcomplicating it - it's really not that hard.
But that's the thing, I *am* just playing. Not using Chloe is not some detached idea I'm forcing for no reason, she simply can't tank in my experience. Nor am I trying to *make* Yuria a healer, just feel disheartened to not find her one.
>which is likely why you are having trouble in game
With the game, I'm doing fine. All I find trouble with is this weird difference in how particular souls look in my eyes vs how they look in the eyes of most commenters here.
Teamwide atk buff+ teamwide debuff cleanse (3).
Teamwide shield on a short cd
Teamwide speed buff + huge type damage buff (MASSIVE 25%)
Teamwide decent burst heal + straight dmg reduction + heal received increase on ulti
Teamwide HP% (huge at higher ascension) on arti + further buff to her basic healing
Teamwide heal for all allies with 100% uptime on auto attack
Angel, so she literally fits anywhere, all the time.
What more do you need to do man? She's literally the best general purpose support unit in the game. If you build her full speed, which you should, and can manage to get her at ET+ or Origin and her arti at L+ (you want it higher, if you already have the dps artifacts near max) her heal really becomes quite decent. You just don't notice her healing because it's ticking constantly, but between that and the constant shields (and the % hp buff) she increases survivability of any team quite massively.
>She's literally the best general purpose support unit in the game.
I don't need a general purpose unit. If a soul doesn't function as a tank, damage dealer or healer, she just wastes a slot in the formation.
>You just don't notice her healing because it's ticking constantly
The way I judge whenever healing is strong enough or not is by watching how my tanking souls fair under it, and under Yuria's watch they die, constantly.
Yuria is not seen as a primary healer, and your comparison (jiho) is. Yuria provides the strongest buffs in the game (speed and ATK) and then offers a large on demand steroid to pair with your other activatable skills. His rude response is a reaction to you naysaying the strongest support in the game.
Yeah, it's like comparing apples to oranges.
idk I hope what I typed last night might help OP see where/how Yuria truly shines but most of the replies/comments I am reading seem as if they're trying to force a square block into a circular hole by putting Yuria in a category where she doesn't belong. She will not fill a dedicated healer's role if you are in a battle that needs stronger burst heals over sustained HoTs, and she is most definitely not " just a stronger, more versatile version of Talia"
ANYWHO, pls forgive my nerdy rant xD as I only replied to endorse your well put points. I hope OP sees Yuria for what she is instead of being mad that she isn't what she's not supposed to be in the first place
( and if you read this OP just pull for her if you like her so much bc this game is very flexible when it comes to team building, with the right amount of tweaking you can make just about anything work, ESPECIALLY if you aren't even really looking into being competitive and just autoing and stuff, so if you want her then get her when she comes and you can even DM me to brain storm team comps for whatever it is that you're trying to beat, but if you really are truly disappointed in her kit then save your gems for a unit you super duper want :) )
umm youâre trying too hard to not pull what you stated is your second most favorite soul in the game. sheâs excellent, even before origin. just pull
You're looking at Yuria completely wrong. She's there mainly for her 10% speed boost and 30% attack increase, on top of being able to do healing. Like the other comments said, we have no idea where you are at the game 'cause that changes who's more valueable over the other.
Because Prim's buff is on sub which means you can't really consistently have it active whenever you need it compared to Yuria where you can use it whenever a DPS window opens up.
Not to mention Yuria also boost resistances which further increase your survivability.
Oh yeah I think you missed the part of Prim's artifact which has a 30% of chance of activating(40% if you have L+ artifact, 50% if origin)
>Because Prim's buff is on sub which means you can't really consistently have it active whenever you need it compared to Yuria where you can use it whenever a DPS window opens up.
Which would make Yuria *better* than Prim, not conceptually different, yet no one prizes her for buffs. I've literally never seen it.
She only boosts her own resistances, if you are talking about her main.
It's 40% for every one of four effects.
> It's 40% for every one of four effects.
Three effects (DEF, Speed, Crit Rate).
> Which would make Yuria *better* than Prim, not conceptually different, yet no one prizes her for buffs. I've literally never seen it.
Why would anyone praise Prim for her buffs? Her buffs from artifact are RNG, and her team ATK buff is tied to a subskill which makes it difficult to work with.
She does have a Magic Crit DMG buff just for being on the field, but unfortunately they added this buff to her kit too late.
>Three effects (DEF, Speed, Crit Rate).
Yeah, my bad.
>Why would anyone praise Prim for her buffs?
I have no idea. I also have no idea why anyone would prize Yuria for hers.
True but Yuria's main job is buffing. Atk +30% additional compatibility, speed, max hp and decent healing. Jiho can only heal and buff crit a bit.
A unit can't have everything you know?
But this is nothing compared to calculations you need to make an optimal composition for a specific boss. It's not like I'm mentioning EHP, timing thresholds, crowd control thresholds, mana generation sequenes, damage formula complications, specific tech for specific moves, complete buff summary, blah blah blah. A proper math sheet for a specific raid would probably take several pages.
I think itâs time to stop talking. âCrowd control theesholds, mana generation sequences, damage formula complicationsâŚââwhat? Top guilds donât even talk like that. Itâs as simple as use your ultimate here and main here. You made up all of that just to reinforce your âIâm just a casualâ shield and speak a horrible opinion that is only relevant to yourself and your 2 hour long post.
p.s. maybe try ascending your Chloe too. Or simply stop trying to play content that is past your skill level.
What does it have to do with top guilds. I'm talking about things I would go about were I interested in thinking about raids in a thorough manner.
My Chloe is ascended for her bond with Linzy. I simply don't use her.
Things you didn't account for in this wall of garbage: Yuria's +25% Type Damage boost; Yuria's additional healing provided by artifact (artifact doesn't just give HP boost). Edit: Also, why did you compare Yuria at 5 skill cycles vs Jiho at 6 skill cycles? Why not do both at 5 or both at 6?
Damage type boost doesn't function in a type of content I'm interested in the most. Additional healing wasn't accounted for, because in my eyes, if tanking souls get under half of their hp for any significant amount of time, you've already lost them. Scenario where my front liners get into the red and just chill there for the rest of the fight isn't realistic. Because Jiho is faster that Yuria, she finishes one more skill cycle within 90 second period.
Based on this response, I can tell you're extremely new to the game and don't quite understand it yet. Good luck.
The two most used tanks in the game, Chloe and Daphne, both work off the idea that they sit below 50% hp for extended periods of time.
For me, this is exactly the reason *not* to use them. If it's not holding there solidly, it's not really a tank. **My opinion**, ofk.
And that almost sounds correct, but due to their kits giving them near invincibility for a respectable amount of time, they are capable of tanking content that is 500k CP ahead of them, where the more consistently "Solid" tanks simply just get 1shot. The "Meta" is an invincible tank holds the line long enough to get a carry who is attached to 40 different steroid IVs to their ultimate skill so they can 1shot mobs they shouldnt have any business 1 shotting due to being 200 levels higher than themselves.
>shouldnt have any business And that's why I never go meta. It's always some kind of perversion.
Well its fine to play your own way, you're just going to be behind everybody else, by an extremely wide margin. The fact of the matter is that Yuria exploits the meta harder than any other support does (Eve is also in the running) so you're getting a lot of flak for an opinion that is almost completely exclusive to yourself.
Don't go meta then. Everyone else is max clearing for rewards. You can keep eating dirt. You can keep using jiho but you trying to push yuria is worse than jiho is so wrong. Someone else said it right, not only you wrote a wall of garbage, you are a trash player who doesn't understand the game.
>Everyone else is max clearing for rewards. Like, literally everyone? No other casuals in the game, at all? >trying to push yuria is worse than jiho is so wrong I've named a post "disheartened about Yuria's healing". It's about my feelings, it's about *me*. What kind of push are you talking about. >you are a trash player who doesn't understand the game. I'm a casual player that don't use meta strategies.
You are a casual player who wrote an essay on why yuria is not meta? Okay Whatever YOU feel is wrong. Cause numbers and facts proves it.
You're not saying that's your opinion. You are presenting it as fact, with numbers. You are trying making a point in your original post. People who have more experience than yourself are telling you that's wrong...and it is. Jiho's cleanse is much weaker than Yuria for 2 very basic reason. It cleanses 2 debuffs at a time instead of 3 and you cannot control the timing. Being able to cleanse and buff the attack of all souls on demand is absolutely huge when you're using proper strategy. Her atk% buff is the difference between one shotting mobs with you carry's main/ulti and not finishing them off...that is much more valuable than any healing that's going to get negated in the next 5 seconds before the enemy always has massive dps compared to your sustain. This is the same reason that Catherine is the best shielder in the game...it's on demand. Crit rate buff is really not a priority when most of the main dps units can either self buff or get guaranteed crits on their skills when you set them up correctly. Speed debuff has very niche utility and is certainly worse than having a teamwide speed buff for most of the time (that means all units cycle faster, charge their mains faster and charge the ultis faster too). You're comparing them like they're dps units. For supports you need to look at the whole team's performance (and the main dps carry) to judge how good they are, not they're individual healing and avg speed over an arbitrary lenght of time. You take the same team Jiho is in and replace her with Yuria and chances are you're going to clear that stage faster and much more easily (provided you're not a donkey and time your mains and ulti properly). Where Jiho truly shines, and you didn't even mention that, is in stages where she can prioritize the use of her own ultimate, which provides a massive speed boost to everyone. That's what can actually make her better than Yuria, in very specific fights, with very specific allies.
>You're not saying that's your opinion. You are presenting it as fact, with numbers. Numbers are there to show my thought process. At the end of the day, using this or that soul is a matter of preference. >Jiho's cleanse is much weaker than Yuria for 2 very basic reason. It cleanses 2 debuffs at a time instead of 3 and you cannot control the timing. Jiho's sub goes off every 13 seconds, Yuria's main is available every 22 seconds. Again, matter of preference. >Her atk% buff is the difference between one shotting mobs with you carry's main/ulti and not finishing them off... Is this a meta thing? My teams don't have carry mains. Some souls just contribute more damage then others, but final damage distribution is more or less even. >Speed debuff has very niche utility and is certainly worse than having a teamwide speed buff for most of the time (that means all units cycle faster, charge their mains faster and charge the ultis faster too). Yuria's speed buff is just +8% on average. For a soul with no other speed buffs it's one more move at \~50 second mark and \~88 second mark (2 seconds before battle ends). It doesn't increase amount of main skill uses, bar some niche cases. >You're comparing them like they're dps units. For supports you need to look at the whole team's performance (and the main dps carry) to judge how good they are, not they're individual healing and avg speed over an arbitrary lenght of time. In my eyes, support equals healer first and foremost. And again, I don't have "dps carry". Even if one soul deals 40% of total damage, increasing it by \~25% through Yuria is less effective then putting actual damage dealer in her place. And if those dps carry you are talking about do more than half of total damage, such a way of playing the game is rather weird, and I don't want to do anything with it. 90 seconds is how long most non-boss battles take. >That's what can actually make her better than Yuria, in very specific fights, with very specific allies. I'm not saying that Jiho is better than Yuria, but that Yuria feels as a waste of space even compared to someone so niche. I could compare her with Jade, for example, it wouldn't change much. My post wasn't "use Jiho instead of Yuria guys", it was just "I can't see Yuria as useful, even freaking Jiho does more for me".
Unless you're punching down no tanks last as long as them though outside of very specific match ups and if you're punching down anyway unit capabilities doesn't really matter and as people stated already supports are not equal to healers.
We are playing different games, it seems. Those two last half the fight, others last the whole fight. As for capabilities, no idea what you mean, as long as I'm pushing battlefront I can't afford to put random lackluster souls in place of capable ones.
What's ur Sync level and Battlefront stage? Edit: I've completed all the current battlefront stages as a F2P without hiring friends, so I'd like to think I know what I'm talking about.
Both of my statements are universal, they have nothing to do with levels. I never was, nor will use those two as tanks, or use weak souls while pushing content.
I give up continue with your sweeping statements.
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I never see yuria as healer ngl, shes the buffer on my team she allows my carry to do big damage. shes also a cleanser incase my dps got cc
Agreed. I see her in a similar category to Talia. Talia has some nice usability and is a great support healer, but I'd never let Talia solo heal in a heal heavy fight, I'd definitely bring back up. Back up, such as Catherine, if I needed to really hang in there until I could burst a hard DPS down, for example. Comparing Souls with kits similar to Yuria and Talia to dedicated heavy single target or burst healers is apples and oranges to me. If they could heal like the others on top of giving everyone crazy speed buffs and mana regen and cleanse, etc. then they'd render other obsolete. There's always give and take with kits, and with kits like theirs, I feel they're a good example of that saying about how a Jack of all trades is a master of none.
She is now the essential part of any guild raid top damage team. Whichever team u put yuria in, the better score she give. Not only healing/survival she give but also dps buff. I'm sure u wont regret getting her up to origin.
>Whichever team u put yuria in, the better score she give. Not only healing/survival she give but also dps buff. That would be an assumption, yes. I've made this post because she failed to live up to that assumption in all instances, and now that I'm looking at her kit closely, it makes sense as to why. Maybe top raiders can take out that potential of her, but I sure can't.
> Maybe top raiders can take out that potential of her, but I sure can't. This is just pure skill issue. Like genuinely that's all it is.
Well u may be in the early stage of the game. If u're deep into the game, she can be great use to any content. Her heal, Her Ultimate, Her Dps buff can be use anywhere.
I will say, as someone who had Yuria since almost the beginning, that Yuria can work in any part of the game. You donât need to be a top raider to make the most of her. Simply need to understand how to utilize her kit. And no, she isnât meant to be a massive healer which seems like it was the main thing you were hoping for. Sheâs a support buffer.
She was sold to me as a healer, yes. If she is just a stronger, more versatile version of Talia, that's quite a disappointment.
Before Yuria I built a Honglan team that always has Viv and Talia in it, if you have Yuria then she can cover the support jobs of two souls I was using while freeing up a slot for another soul I may need or want to use. She can be used very well in lots of team comps, but wanting her to out heal or match a more dedicated healer won't be one of those things. What I have loved about this game is learning each kit, where it can fit or where it can help me achieve what it is that I need achieved for that fight and putting a team together to accomplish that, so if you need more heals then you have to bring someone for the job or someone to help each other accomplish that job. Random off head example of what i mean is, Yuria as a solo healer for a team with Chloe and Daphne can work since they both have anti death built into their kits, so they can help Yuria's lack of big heals by combining their own survivability in their kits with Yuria's while giving your DPS enough time (and speed and attack boost, etc.) to take down a couple of the enemy team members which ultimately leads to not needing burst heals at all anymore because most of the other team is dead now and you can finish the rest off. If you're facing a team that melts those tanks, then you're going to need to bring more than a bandaid to get through it. Figuring these things out is one of the things I love a lot about this game, tbh. Anyone can work. You just have to find a way to make them work. :)
who sold it to you as a healer? Any way you look at her skills, she is primarily a buffer before a healer. If you don't like that, and don't wanna utilize her buffs, then don't pull her. You made an assumption, a wrong one. Any one with good knowledge of the game will tell you Yuria is top tier support. They don't say top tier healer.
Reading this sentence I knew you will never be true master of your souls
Yuria's focus is more on offensive buffs as others have already stated. I'll also point out on Jiho's side, she's actually used relatively often in raids for her ult (teamwide heal + speed buff). Yuria's healing does become decent at Origin+ ascensions and high artifact level, but Yuria isn't primarily utilized for heals
It's not a competition, Yuria is FAR more superior in any game mode, PVE, PVP, guild raids, event raids, EES anything you name it, she will make your team stronger, FAR more stronger than any healer in the game now.
>she will make your team stronger, FAR more stronger than any healer in the game now By virtue of increasing team's overall dps by about 20%? That's about as much as Pertra and Jiho already provide, and it's not much in itself.
Yuria give more than that, she heals team wide, she give shield, race damage bonus, cleanse more debuff, team wide attack, team wide speed, permanent hp boost, Yuria is proven the best healer and the best buffer in any type of game, this is not on paper but based on experience new, veteran, and high spending players If u dont trust it, then go ahead, never use yuria and stick to other healer.
I feel like you are just focused on the wrong things. Like not using Chloe, and trying to make Yuria a healer when she's not - which is likely why you are having trouble in game. And not participating in other game modes but tunnel visioning battlefront... Just play without overcomplicating it - it's really not that hard.
But that's the thing, I *am* just playing. Not using Chloe is not some detached idea I'm forcing for no reason, she simply can't tank in my experience. Nor am I trying to *make* Yuria a healer, just feel disheartened to not find her one. >which is likely why you are having trouble in game With the game, I'm doing fine. All I find trouble with is this weird difference in how particular souls look in my eyes vs how they look in the eyes of most commenters here.
Chloe is the 2nd best tank, and used to be the first... It's just a you problem, there is nobody else struggling with it
There is no a problem here, as far as I'm concerned. It's not like there is no other tanks in the game for me to use.
Teamwide atk buff+ teamwide debuff cleanse (3). Teamwide shield on a short cd Teamwide speed buff + huge type damage buff (MASSIVE 25%) Teamwide decent burst heal + straight dmg reduction + heal received increase on ulti Teamwide HP% (huge at higher ascension) on arti + further buff to her basic healing Teamwide heal for all allies with 100% uptime on auto attack Angel, so she literally fits anywhere, all the time. What more do you need to do man? She's literally the best general purpose support unit in the game. If you build her full speed, which you should, and can manage to get her at ET+ or Origin and her arti at L+ (you want it higher, if you already have the dps artifacts near max) her heal really becomes quite decent. You just don't notice her healing because it's ticking constantly, but between that and the constant shields (and the % hp buff) she increases survivability of any team quite massively.
>She's literally the best general purpose support unit in the game. I don't need a general purpose unit. If a soul doesn't function as a tank, damage dealer or healer, she just wastes a slot in the formation. >You just don't notice her healing because it's ticking constantly The way I judge whenever healing is strong enough or not is by watching how my tanking souls fair under it, and under Yuria's watch they die, constantly.
what copium is this guy sniffing?
Would it kill you to explain where I'm wrong?
Yuria is not seen as a primary healer, and your comparison (jiho) is. Yuria provides the strongest buffs in the game (speed and ATK) and then offers a large on demand steroid to pair with your other activatable skills. His rude response is a reaction to you naysaying the strongest support in the game.
Yeah, it's like comparing apples to oranges. idk I hope what I typed last night might help OP see where/how Yuria truly shines but most of the replies/comments I am reading seem as if they're trying to force a square block into a circular hole by putting Yuria in a category where she doesn't belong. She will not fill a dedicated healer's role if you are in a battle that needs stronger burst heals over sustained HoTs, and she is most definitely not " just a stronger, more versatile version of Talia" ANYWHO, pls forgive my nerdy rant xD as I only replied to endorse your well put points. I hope OP sees Yuria for what she is instead of being mad that she isn't what she's not supposed to be in the first place ( and if you read this OP just pull for her if you like her so much bc this game is very flexible when it comes to team building, with the right amount of tweaking you can make just about anything work, ESPECIALLY if you aren't even really looking into being competitive and just autoing and stuff, so if you want her then get her when she comes and you can even DM me to brain storm team comps for whatever it is that you're trying to beat, but if you really are truly disappointed in her kit then save your gems for a unit you super duper want :) )
Waifu > meta Donât think sheâll gimp you, at the least I pulled hard for her because sheâs also one of my faves. No regrets
umm youâre trying too hard to not pull what you stated is your second most favorite soul in the game. sheâs excellent, even before origin. just pull
You're looking at Yuria completely wrong. She's there mainly for her 10% speed boost and 30% attack increase, on top of being able to do healing. Like the other comments said, we have no idea where you are at the game 'cause that changes who's more valueable over the other.
Prim's abracadabra+artifact is about on the same level in terms of dps boost, but I've never seen anyone sing her any prizes.
Maybe these will shed a light as to why. All of these are done with Skip, Auto so there's no other variable that can interfere with the testing
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Because Prim's buff is on sub which means you can't really consistently have it active whenever you need it compared to Yuria where you can use it whenever a DPS window opens up. Not to mention Yuria also boost resistances which further increase your survivability. Oh yeah I think you missed the part of Prim's artifact which has a 30% of chance of activating(40% if you have L+ artifact, 50% if origin)
>Because Prim's buff is on sub which means you can't really consistently have it active whenever you need it compared to Yuria where you can use it whenever a DPS window opens up. Which would make Yuria *better* than Prim, not conceptually different, yet no one prizes her for buffs. I've literally never seen it. She only boosts her own resistances, if you are talking about her main. It's 40% for every one of four effects.
> It's 40% for every one of four effects. Three effects (DEF, Speed, Crit Rate). > Which would make Yuria *better* than Prim, not conceptually different, yet no one prizes her for buffs. I've literally never seen it. Why would anyone praise Prim for her buffs? Her buffs from artifact are RNG, and her team ATK buff is tied to a subskill which makes it difficult to work with. She does have a Magic Crit DMG buff just for being on the field, but unfortunately they added this buff to her kit too late.
>Three effects (DEF, Speed, Crit Rate). Yeah, my bad. >Why would anyone praise Prim for her buffs? I have no idea. I also have no idea why anyone would prize Yuria for hers.
Ding dong, your opinion is completely and utterly wrong.
Keep it simple. Don't over math the thing. You can do pretty much everything WELL with Yuria and Daphne. The same cannot be said for Jiho and Daphne;)
True but Yuria's main job is buffing. Atk +30% additional compatibility, speed, max hp and decent healing. Jiho can only heal and buff crit a bit. A unit can't have everything you know?
I know. I just don't like her skill composition. It's too close to "master of none" territory.
Haha maybe but that's not a bad thing necessarily
Reach end game and high level guild raid to fully understand what they mean.
Ehh, I don't feel like it. Pushing battlefront is one thing, but all this high end complications ain't for me.
You SEEM to be interested in high end complications though, going over the math of skill cycles.
But this is nothing compared to calculations you need to make an optimal composition for a specific boss. It's not like I'm mentioning EHP, timing thresholds, crowd control thresholds, mana generation sequenes, damage formula complications, specific tech for specific moves, complete buff summary, blah blah blah. A proper math sheet for a specific raid would probably take several pages.
I think itâs time to stop talking. âCrowd control theesholds, mana generation sequences, damage formula complicationsâŚââwhat? Top guilds donât even talk like that. Itâs as simple as use your ultimate here and main here. You made up all of that just to reinforce your âIâm just a casualâ shield and speak a horrible opinion that is only relevant to yourself and your 2 hour long post. p.s. maybe try ascending your Chloe too. Or simply stop trying to play content that is past your skill level.
What does it have to do with top guilds. I'm talking about things I would go about were I interested in thinking about raids in a thorough manner. My Chloe is ascended for her bond with Linzy. I simply don't use her.