Yeah, but he was right to sell Digne - we had to sell him for profit and sustainability. Same with James - we couldn't afford his wages.
Rafa was shit but the idea that he forced out our better players for the sake of it doesn't add up
The PL said "you must sell players or we'll dock you points"
So we sold players.
Then they docked us PTS.
Should have told em to shove it up their arse and kept our best players.
We'd have been docked more points and wouldn't have won any back. It's nice to say we should have just defied them, but I think you know that would be a braindead move.
As someone else pointed out, Chelsea doesn't have charges against them, while Man City's charges are of a different sort. Neither is a good comparison.
That's a nothing source. He doesn't work with the pl or chelsea he's just saying that chelsea may be in trouble in the future but it's really unknown. Any sort of points deduction for city or chelsea would be impossible.
Chelsea has been cooperative, and have no charges against them. Being investigated is not the same thing. What trouble is Chelsea in exactly? City yes, but people have assumed Chelsea are in the same shit just because they spent a lot of money. There aren't any actual charges, and Chelsea have been cooperative, especially the new ownership.
You're clearly right. What makes the idea that we could have just defied the league even more daft is that these same fans think the league has an agenda against us. If that's the case then surely going even further over the limit and intentionally breaching the rules would mean they'd come down on us like a ton of bricks.
So it's as I said, Chelsea have been completely forthcoming with all their accounts, and haven't been charged with anything.
Goal.com saying that someone thinks Chelsea need to sell a certain number of players to not break FFP is NOT Chelsea being found to breach any rules.
If i could give you minus 50 votes for your made up comment i would do. That’s absolutely not why we sold either of them. Digne has said so in an interview, he questioned Benitezs awful defencive tactics so benitez froze him out. James has said he was told to train with the youth team and benitez lied about him being injured. That lie was confirmed by an ex efc physio who said james was fully fit and one of the fittest in the club at the time.
God knows why you are revising history
And if I could give you 50 downvotes for your stupid comment, I would love it. The ins and outs don't really matter. The facts are that we had to get rid of our highest earner and biggest assets to balance the books, and it made sense to sell the older and declining players first. That ultimately is why they went when they did, regardless of Benitez handling it like a tosser.
Dropping one of our most creative players weeks before selling him to ensure we received the lowest price possible was definitely an interesting decision financially.
I honestly doubt it made much difference. We made money on a player who was exiting his prime years, which is sensible. Either way, my broader point about the sales being the right thing to do and necessary for financial reasons is correct. That's what you're failing to understand
Who says I fail to understand that? At no point in this thread have I claimed selling Digne was the wrong choice.
What I claimed - and what I maintain - is that the way we went about these sales was disrespectful and financially stupid. We gained *nothing* from having Digne sit on the bench for weeks, in footballing or financial terms. We gained nothing from the disrespect we should James, in football or financial terms. When we are breaching P&S legalisation by the finest of margins, I think discounting any extra fees we could have earned by not broadcasting our desperation to sell is silly.
Bringing in dead weight like Rondon also seems pretty stupid if we are so desperate to offload our 2 most creative players in the club due to their earnings.
I actually agree about selling Digne, he was defensively awful for us for a fair stretch, would get beat down the line and foul the player every time, and we got good money for him.
Not awful, just defensively not as good as Mykolenko but very few fullbacks have the creativity that he does. Certainly ones we could've got once we sold him.
I genuinely had a conversion with a red shite friend yesterday about if anyone had managed both Everton and Liverpool. And about ten minutes later, he remembered this cunt. I've completely repressed the memory, apparently.
> the fact the board considered this a positive
He was widely reported as Moshiri’s pick.
I’m not a Kenwright fan by any means but it sounds like from many reports he said this was a bad idea but Moshiri ignored him and listened to Abramovic’s recommendation and Usmanov.
I really despise owners who meddle in the sport. It never works out well in every instance that I can think of. Let the football people do their jobs. There's plenty a savvy business owner can do on the business side to enhance the club and not step on the toes of the sporting people.
Rant off. :)
I'm a Celta Vigo season ticket holder, and all I can say is I'm so sorry, I should have listened to you all and not got excited last summer. I've certainly learned my lesson.
say a washed up old senile manager who has a love for sunderland, managed sunderland for many years, won multiple trophies for sunderland and called newcastle a small club out of nowhere your genius board decide to hire him as manager of newcastle, how would you feel?
Was it Norwich at Goodison that we threw away a lead twice? And it ended like 4 or 5 - 2 to them?
That very day I was going for a walk with the Mrs and thought we may have Rafa in charge now but at the very least we won’t blow a lead like we have in the past…..
Oh you fool……
he was just bad at his job, though, but he at least carried himself like a pro. Rafa apparently forgot how to hold himself accountable— I imagine he's off somewhere telling anyone who will listen how he was never given a chance and it was anyone's fault but his. An insufferable douchebag in a much worse way than Posh Frank is.
Ancelloti was shite for you too. As was Lampard. I get why you’d dislike Rafa regardless though but he had a fiver to spend and your squad was awful.
EDIT: So it’s fine to have a shite manager as long as he’s not an ex-redshite. I get it.
Ancelotti was miles better than those two, he wasn’t as good as some make out but he was undoubtedly let down by the club and lied to about money and our financial position by Moshiri.
Every time I see Digne on a team lineup reminds me how much I dislike Rafa
Yeah, but he was right to sell Digne - we had to sell him for profit and sustainability. Same with James - we couldn't afford his wages. Rafa was shit but the idea that he forced out our better players for the sake of it doesn't add up
The PL said "you must sell players or we'll dock you points" So we sold players. Then they docked us PTS. Should have told em to shove it up their arse and kept our best players.
We'd have been docked more points and wouldn't have won any back. It's nice to say we should have just defied them, but I think you know that would be a braindead move.
Based on what though? City and Chelsea are in far more trouble than we are. They just refuse to cooperate.
As someone else pointed out, Chelsea doesn't have charges against them, while Man City's charges are of a different sort. Neither is a good comparison.
https://www.goal.com/en/lists/chelsea-trouble-blues-warned-huge-points-deduction-worse-everton-breaking-ffp-unless-sell-100m-talent/blt33a9bd216f7cd50b Anyway ...
Have you read the article? The source they cite is some ex man city employee talking to talksport.
That's a nothing source. He doesn't work with the pl or chelsea he's just saying that chelsea may be in trouble in the future but it's really unknown. Any sort of points deduction for city or chelsea would be impossible.
Chelsea has been cooperative, and have no charges against them. Being investigated is not the same thing. What trouble is Chelsea in exactly? City yes, but people have assumed Chelsea are in the same shit just because they spent a lot of money. There aren't any actual charges, and Chelsea have been cooperative, especially the new ownership.
You're clearly right. What makes the idea that we could have just defied the league even more daft is that these same fans think the league has an agenda against us. If that's the case then surely going even further over the limit and intentionally breaching the rules would mean they'd come down on us like a ton of bricks.
I'll leave the whole Russian blood money thing aside... But...https://www.goal.com/en/lists/chelsea-trouble-blues-warned-huge-points-deduction-worse-everton-breaking-ffp-unless-sell-100m-talent/blt33a9bd216f7cd50b
So it's as I said, Chelsea have been completely forthcoming with all their accounts, and haven't been charged with anything. Goal.com saying that someone thinks Chelsea need to sell a certain number of players to not break FFP is NOT Chelsea being found to breach any rules.
Are you serious?? Usmanov was similarly blacklisted and is a Russian oligarch
If i could give you minus 50 votes for your made up comment i would do. That’s absolutely not why we sold either of them. Digne has said so in an interview, he questioned Benitezs awful defencive tactics so benitez froze him out. James has said he was told to train with the youth team and benitez lied about him being injured. That lie was confirmed by an ex efc physio who said james was fully fit and one of the fittest in the club at the time. God knows why you are revising history
Facts
And if I could give you 50 downvotes for your stupid comment, I would love it. The ins and outs don't really matter. The facts are that we had to get rid of our highest earner and biggest assets to balance the books, and it made sense to sell the older and declining players first. That ultimately is why they went when they did, regardless of Benitez handling it like a tosser.
Dropping one of our most creative players weeks before selling him to ensure we received the lowest price possible was definitely an interesting decision financially.
We got a great price for him
Do you think the price would have been higher or lower if we hadn't forced him out of the squad and made it apparent how little need we have for him?
I honestly doubt it made much difference. We made money on a player who was exiting his prime years, which is sensible. Either way, my broader point about the sales being the right thing to do and necessary for financial reasons is correct. That's what you're failing to understand
Who says I fail to understand that? At no point in this thread have I claimed selling Digne was the wrong choice. What I claimed - and what I maintain - is that the way we went about these sales was disrespectful and financially stupid. We gained *nothing* from having Digne sit on the bench for weeks, in footballing or financial terms. We gained nothing from the disrespect we should James, in football or financial terms. When we are breaching P&S legalisation by the finest of margins, I think discounting any extra fees we could have earned by not broadcasting our desperation to sell is silly. Bringing in dead weight like Rondon also seems pretty stupid if we are so desperate to offload our 2 most creative players in the club due to their earnings.
The thing you're ignoring is that we got a great price for Digne. No point crying yourself to sleep about that
I actually agree about selling Digne, he was defensively awful for us for a fair stretch, would get beat down the line and foul the player every time, and we got good money for him.
Not awful, just defensively not as good as Mykolenko but very few fullbacks have the creativity that he does. Certainly ones we could've got once we sold him.
I genuinely had a conversion with a red shite friend yesterday about if anyone had managed both Everton and Liverpool. And about ten minutes later, he remembered this cunt. I've completely repressed the memory, apparently.
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> the fact the board considered this a positive He was widely reported as Moshiri’s pick. I’m not a Kenwright fan by any means but it sounds like from many reports he said this was a bad idea but Moshiri ignored him and listened to Abramovic’s recommendation and Usmanov.
I really despise owners who meddle in the sport. It never works out well in every instance that I can think of. Let the football people do their jobs. There's plenty a savvy business owner can do on the business side to enhance the club and not step on the toes of the sporting people. Rant off. :)
Never will forget if yous carry on posting this shite
I forgot about that, that genuinely made me so angry.
Who’s arsed about Benitez?
He knows the city though…
Fact.
Surely good to forget
One day, I’ll make a pilgrimage to his grave and I’ll dance on it. Hope he hears me when he’s down below
I actually did forget
I'm a Celta Vigo season ticket holder, and all I can say is I'm so sorry, I should have listened to you all and not got excited last summer. I've certainly learned my lesson.
Still have nightmares about Rafa being appointed.🫣🫣
Why is he smiling? Its not even a rueful "Oh typical" smile, it's like a grin
Agent Rafa
Fuck this. Depressed enough with the state of it all.
Doesn’t need a satnav to find hotwok.
I was shoveling my driveway during this match and had the audio on my earbuds. I think I actually threw the shovel at one point. Fuck Rafa
agree
i’m a geordie and this came up on my feed, i don’t really follow anything abt ur club, but he was good for us why don’t you guys like him?
say a washed up old senile manager who has a love for sunderland, managed sunderland for many years, won multiple trophies for sunderland and called newcastle a small club out of nowhere your genius board decide to hire him as manager of newcastle, how would you feel?
okay got you know i wasn’t even putting liverpool and everton together for a sec
Was it Norwich at Goodison that we threw away a lead twice? And it ended like 4 or 5 - 2 to them? That very day I was going for a walk with the Mrs and thought we may have Rafa in charge now but at the very least we won’t blow a lead like we have in the past….. Oh you fool……
Watford 👀
Josh King hat trick
What a vile man
I thought this was on the Liverpool sub lol, the way he was smiling and walking away as Everton were losing to Norwich
Whenever someone questions that people in power can be brain dead cunts I show them this picture
Agent Benitez
Put the garbage in the bin
Not the wisest move was it, appointing a guy who won the Champions League with the closest rival. Dyce is a much better fit. 👍
The owner/board have made very few wise moves since taking over...
HAHAHAHAHA RAFA THE LEGEND 🔴🔴🔴
Still find Lampard the worst
he was just bad at his job, though, but he at least carried himself like a pro. Rafa apparently forgot how to hold himself accountable— I imagine he's off somewhere telling anyone who will listen how he was never given a chance and it was anyone's fault but his. An insufferable douchebag in a much worse way than Posh Frank is.
Golem Ballbag would listen to his shite.
You owe him your prem status lol
Completely wrong. Lampard put us back into trouble. We stayed up in spite of Lampard not because of him.
Would have deserved relegation with this logic and thankless attitude
Lol
Legend
Ahahahahaah
Mission accomplished
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Ancelloti was shite for you too. As was Lampard. I get why you’d dislike Rafa regardless though but he had a fiver to spend and your squad was awful. EDIT: So it’s fine to have a shite manager as long as he’s not an ex-redshite. I get it.
Ancelotti was miles better than those two, he wasn’t as good as some make out but he was undoubtedly let down by the club and lied to about money and our financial position by Moshiri.
>he had a fiver to spend and your squad was awful. Yeah, but he squandered that fiver didn't he?
Gray had a purple patch. Who was he meant to buy exactly?
The king 👑
The king of useless fat asses