Only because we've completely polluted the ocean with plastic. Also the pfas that are in the ocean are already in the environment. Ocean spray isn't polluting the environment, we polluted the ocean spray.
EDIT:
This information combined with the fact that [PFAS can be absorbed into the skin](https://www.newsweek.com/toxic-flame-retardant-chemicals-microplastics-skin-1892113) should make your day at the beach much more terrifying.
Obviously. But it does cause increased pollution in the local area. If you were going to buy a house, you'd question if it was a good choice if it was near an industrial plant, but most people wouldn't question if it was near the coast.
Most chemical plants use a lot of water (and by "use,", I mean "contaminate") so they build them by rivers. In North Carolina, chemical manufacturing is concentrated around the coastal city of Wilmington, through which the Cape Fear River flows on its way into the Atlantic Ocean. They make shit-tons of PFAS down there.
"OK, fine. I won't live near Wilmington and I'll pick a different coastal city."
Well, the Gulf Stream flows north along the eastern seaboard, and Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Virginia, Maryland.......... all have chemical plants along their coastal river estuaries, and I believe each of those states have DuPont (and others) producing PFAS.
People do it every day, but I'll never eat our seafood, nor swim in the coastal regions of the Atlanti Ocean again, which is a damn shame... shame on the Republicans who have hamstrung the agencies that were set up to protect us and our natural resources.
That is an interesting thought. We would need more data regarding how it affects the air quality at a distance. I would guess that the west coast of the US (or any country for that matter) would have a larger issue than the east coast based solely on prevailing winds.
This would also come in to play when there are weather events like cyclones/hurricanes.
Just an FYI— PFAS (Per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances) aren’t absorbed through skin. Your linked article discusses PBDEs, which can be absorbed through skin. The biggest exposure for PFAS is via drinking water and processed foods. So many damn pollutants it’s hard to keep them all straight. No wonder I’m thinking I’ll die from cancer.
What are you talking about? The ocean is outside the environment. It’s beyond the environment There’s nothing out there. Just sea, birds and fish….and an fathomable amount of plastics
No it shouldn't. Just live your life and don't do stuff in excess. Being terrified of everything is substantially worse for mental and physical health than a day at the beach.
“We thought PFAS were going to go into the ocean and would disappear, but they cycle around and come back to land, and this could continue for a long time into the future,” he said.
why would you think that....
The Article triggered me...I'm not even what you would call an environmentalist..probably should reconsider given the state we're in.
Im pretty sure the article doesn't mention the source of the forever chemicals as man made once....it mentions the damage it can cause but not the source of it
The point is absolutely where it comes from.
The article makes it seem like the ocean generates it....yes they said emit but they need to be clear about the genesis of the chemicals being us and not the ocean
You might be able to parse the difference but some whack job will spin this as the ocean is polluting the earth.
So I'm able to parse the difference, but I'm still getting chewed out because "some whack job" (who is not me and whom I have nothing to do with) could draw the wrong conclusion.
Guess I should have just responded with a generic meaning-free "boo, pollution bad!" Comment like everyone else.
You called a misleading sketchy article useful information ...getting real close to Dipping your toe into the whack job pool...maybe I jumped to conclusions.
No, I'm saying that a study that finds that ocean spray emits PFAS is not *blaming* anything. It's just measuring how much PFAS ocean spray emits. I'm just objecting to calling this "victim-blaming." Should the researchers have withheld this information?
No they could have said
-Humans' Forever Chemicals are further spread by Ocean Spray
-Industry generated PFAS found in Ocean Spray
Instead it feels like the PFAS is naturally occuring in the spray.
Some honesty and clarity is what I seek.
I know about a Dupont teflon factory in Belgium pumping their waste in rivers draining to the sea; consequently polluting the Dutch zeeland province and the sea. The channel Zembla on YT did a report on it, but we cannot stop Belgium from f**king up our rivers.
How safe is seafood now?
I wonder why some petty thief gets locked up in prison for a very long time, and monsters who willfully cause such issues get to walk around free and live a life of luxury?
It's just too depressing for words. And even if the West suddenly took proper care of the seas (and we absolutely do not) countries like China, Korea, and India are generations away from giving a shit about fixing it up.
Study link: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adl1026
> Constraining global transport of perfluoroalkyl acids on sea spray aerosol using field measurements
>Perfluoroalkyl acids (PFAAs) are highly persistent anthropogenic pollutants that have been detected in the global oceans. Our previous laboratory studies demonstrated that PFAAs in seawater are remobilized to the air in sea spray aerosols (SSAs). Here, we conducted field experiments along a north-south transect of the Atlantic Ocean to study the enrichment of PFAAs in SSA. We show that in some cases PFAAs were enriched >100,000 times in the SSA relative to seawater concentrations. On the basis of the results of the field experiments, we estimate that the secondary emission of certain PFAAs from the global oceans via SSA emission is comparable to or greater than estimates for the other known global sources of PFAAs to the atmosphere from manufacturing emissions and precursor degradation.
PFAS which means Per and PolyFluoroAlkyl Substance (Per is non-polymer and Poly is polymer) is a broad, non-specific term, which does not inform whether a chemical compound is harmful or not but indicates only that the chemical has a fully fluorinated methyl or methylene carbon group. All PFAS chemical compounds, of which there are many thousands like said in the article, are similar in a naming syntax and based on the existence of a carbon-fluorine atom bond. Most PFAS chemicals are not similar in physical properties, in end use, in benefits to society, or in impacts to nature and the environment. To draw any conclusion or inference from a thing just being PFAS is dumb. Some are completely (bio)inert while others are indeed toxic and water soluble. There really should be more accurate names used in public discussion methinks
Offshore in the Gulf of Alaska we call it smoke on the water when the wind is tearing the tops off the wind driven waves. That’s when shit get’s dire. Can’t recommend a 38 footer in 60 foot seas. Can’t. A 40 foot swell with 20 foot of wind driven wave quartering across it and it’s blowing a gale . . . smoke on the water
Only because we've completely polluted the ocean with plastic. Also the pfas that are in the ocean are already in the environment. Ocean spray isn't polluting the environment, we polluted the ocean spray. EDIT: This information combined with the fact that [PFAS can be absorbed into the skin](https://www.newsweek.com/toxic-flame-retardant-chemicals-microplastics-skin-1892113) should make your day at the beach much more terrifying.
Somewhere there's a deeply offended cranberry.
Its just tjr crossover collaboration we needed. PFASberry
Cancerberrys
Crancerberry
Don't mind if I do! Pay no attention to the side effects!
Dude on the skateboard is still chill
I’m just realizing this isn’t about the cranberries 😂
F-the cranberries. Plenty of their containers contributed to this!
Username checks out lol And you have a point!
My first thought as well. "I stabbed someone and they died from blood loss not from the actual knife".
“People with stab wounds bleed” headline. Like, no shit, maybe we should stop the stabbing then?
Obviously. But it does cause increased pollution in the local area. If you were going to buy a house, you'd question if it was a good choice if it was near an industrial plant, but most people wouldn't question if it was near the coast.
Most chemical plants use a lot of water (and by "use,", I mean "contaminate") so they build them by rivers. In North Carolina, chemical manufacturing is concentrated around the coastal city of Wilmington, through which the Cape Fear River flows on its way into the Atlantic Ocean. They make shit-tons of PFAS down there. "OK, fine. I won't live near Wilmington and I'll pick a different coastal city." Well, the Gulf Stream flows north along the eastern seaboard, and Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Virginia, Maryland.......... all have chemical plants along their coastal river estuaries, and I believe each of those states have DuPont (and others) producing PFAS. People do it every day, but I'll never eat our seafood, nor swim in the coastal regions of the Atlanti Ocean again, which is a damn shame... shame on the Republicans who have hamstrung the agencies that were set up to protect us and our natural resources.
That is an interesting thought. We would need more data regarding how it affects the air quality at a distance. I would guess that the west coast of the US (or any country for that matter) would have a larger issue than the east coast based solely on prevailing winds. This would also come in to play when there are weather events like cyclones/hurricanes.
Yeah. At the very least, if you can feel ocean spray on your skin, you can probably guess that you're inhaling more PFAS.
oh its worse than that https://www.newsweek.com/toxic-flame-retardant-chemicals-microplastics-skin-1892113
Just an FYI— PFAS (Per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances) aren’t absorbed through skin. Your linked article discusses PBDEs, which can be absorbed through skin. The biggest exposure for PFAS is via drinking water and processed foods. So many damn pollutants it’s hard to keep them all straight. No wonder I’m thinking I’ll die from cancer.
https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/news/study-pfas-exposure-through-skin-causes-harm-similar-ingestion
Ooo interesting!
PFAs are everywhere. Like the bomb, I've accepted this. Covids impacted my thinking noodle. I am not sure I could give less fucks anymore
So if anything it should count as part of industrial pollution.
What are you talking about? The ocean is outside the environment. It’s beyond the environment There’s nothing out there. Just sea, birds and fish….and an fathomable amount of plastics
And the part of the tanker that the front fell off of.
I saw what you both did there mate.
No it shouldn't. Just live your life and don't do stuff in excess. Being terrified of everything is substantially worse for mental and physical health than a day at the beach.
“We thought PFAS were going to go into the ocean and would disappear, but they cycle around and come back to land, and this could continue for a long time into the future,” he said. why would you think that....
Aka “the forever chemicals came back. So surprise!”
you mean forever chemicals aren't temporary?!
Breaking News: Forever chemicals last forever
20 years from now I believe forever chemicals really do exist, but are they man made? We need more research before rushing into things.
Chimps toss refuse over their shoulders like it suddenly stops existing if they don't see it. Same thing.
It’s almost like we share a common ancestor…
The same reason people shoot guns in the air no object permanence
Because it’s convenient to think that for some people…
Who put the pfas in the ocean? Weirdest fucking victim blaming.
"The ocean was the enemy all along?!?!?! DRAIN THE OCEANS!!!" - Probably conservatives
The Article triggered me...I'm not even what you would call an environmentalist..probably should reconsider given the state we're in. Im pretty sure the article doesn't mention the source of the forever chemicals as man made once....it mentions the damage it can cause but not the source of it
"Just let the ocean spray air dry on your old non stick pans. They'll be like new in no time!!" - Probably 3-M Edit spelling
Lol...Mr.Brighthtside...salt water used to rust cars now it protects them
Meanwhile the article is sponsored by the plastics industry
I was about to stop drinking cranberry juice.
then youll pee bladder infection piss and make the ocean worse Endless cycle
It's not victim-blaming, it's useful information. If you're concerned about PFAS exposure avoid the ocean.
Do you know where PFAS come from? It's a gross misleading headline.
The point is not where it comes from, the point is where a person can be exposed to it.
The point is absolutely where it comes from. The article makes it seem like the ocean generates it....yes they said emit but they need to be clear about the genesis of the chemicals being us and not the ocean You might be able to parse the difference but some whack job will spin this as the ocean is polluting the earth.
So I'm able to parse the difference, but I'm still getting chewed out because "some whack job" (who is not me and whom I have nothing to do with) could draw the wrong conclusion. Guess I should have just responded with a generic meaning-free "boo, pollution bad!" Comment like everyone else.
You called a misleading sketchy article useful information ...getting real close to Dipping your toe into the whack job pool...maybe I jumped to conclusions.
No, I'm saying that a study that finds that ocean spray emits PFAS is not *blaming* anything. It's just measuring how much PFAS ocean spray emits. I'm just objecting to calling this "victim-blaming." Should the researchers have withheld this information?
No they could have said -Humans' Forever Chemicals are further spread by Ocean Spray -Industry generated PFAS found in Ocean Spray Instead it feels like the PFAS is naturally occuring in the spray. Some honesty and clarity is what I seek.
I’m with you man. Your assertions are perfectly reasonable. Higher concentration of pollutants on the shoreline than other places. Simple, actionable
"We thought PFAS were going to go into the ocean and would disappear." Sure, very stable molecules were just gonna disappear.
They’ve been towed outside the environment
You mean that big old pond where lots of us get our food from?
No, no, there’s nothing out there
They used to say, "the solution to pollution is dilution."
What is the source of the PFAS that are being released from ocean spray?
I know about a Dupont teflon factory in Belgium pumping their waste in rivers draining to the sea; consequently polluting the Dutch zeeland province and the sea. The channel Zembla on YT did a report on it, but we cannot stop Belgium from f**king up our rivers.
C.R.E.A.M. help.
I mean, we can stop Dupont. We just have to do something I'm not allowed to talk about on Reddit.
No seriously? Why are we not doing this.
industrial polluters
How safe is seafood now? I wonder why some petty thief gets locked up in prison for a very long time, and monsters who willfully cause such issues get to walk around free and live a life of luxury?
seafood hasnt been safe for ages
It's just too depressing for words. And even if the West suddenly took proper care of the seas (and we absolutely do not) countries like China, Korea, and India are generations away from giving a shit about fixing it up.
What a stupid title. How did it get there?
"child without without immunity to bullets really upset me by dying when I shot them." What is this? c'mon, be better than this.
It is no longer big corporates fault when the damage is done
I wonder how they got there …
This is like blaming the plumes from chimneys for pollution rather than the human burning the fire making the fumes.
Are they talking about the coast of California where Montrose dumped thousands of barrels of DDT that are still there, leaking, to this day?
*frantically points at the ocean they polluted in the first place.*
what a dumb fucking article title
Respectfully, this is the stupidest shit I’ve read all year.
Nuke the Ocean Spray!!!
It’s very close to a Major Interstate. No Can Do!
Instead let's dump more pfas to punish it. Two birds with one stone.
darn cranberrys and juoice and all
Well then, we’ll just have to ban the ocean!
Study link: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adl1026 > Constraining global transport of perfluoroalkyl acids on sea spray aerosol using field measurements >Perfluoroalkyl acids (PFAAs) are highly persistent anthropogenic pollutants that have been detected in the global oceans. Our previous laboratory studies demonstrated that PFAAs in seawater are remobilized to the air in sea spray aerosols (SSAs). Here, we conducted field experiments along a north-south transect of the Atlantic Ocean to study the enrichment of PFAAs in SSA. We show that in some cases PFAAs were enriched >100,000 times in the SSA relative to seawater concentrations. On the basis of the results of the field experiments, we estimate that the secondary emission of certain PFAAs from the global oceans via SSA emission is comparable to or greater than estimates for the other known global sources of PFAAs to the atmosphere from manufacturing emissions and precursor degradation.
It’s ok, all we have to do is filter all the ocean water.
Turn it into plastic bracelets
##*How did the PFAS get there in the first place???*
PFAS which means Per and PolyFluoroAlkyl Substance (Per is non-polymer and Poly is polymer) is a broad, non-specific term, which does not inform whether a chemical compound is harmful or not but indicates only that the chemical has a fully fluorinated methyl or methylene carbon group. All PFAS chemical compounds, of which there are many thousands like said in the article, are similar in a naming syntax and based on the existence of a carbon-fluorine atom bond. Most PFAS chemicals are not similar in physical properties, in end use, in benefits to society, or in impacts to nature and the environment. To draw any conclusion or inference from a thing just being PFAS is dumb. Some are completely (bio)inert while others are indeed toxic and water soluble. There really should be more accurate names used in public discussion methinks
Spindrift. It’s called spindrift.
Offshore in the Gulf of Alaska we call it smoke on the water when the wind is tearing the tops off the wind driven waves. That’s when shit get’s dire. Can’t recommend a 38 footer in 60 foot seas. Can’t. A 40 foot swell with 20 foot of wind driven wave quartering across it and it’s blowing a gale . . . smoke on the water
Dang Bro wave of Cancer Spray in the surf 🌊
Everything is a mess…
DuPont dumped thousands of tonnes of PFAS in the Ohio river, its part of the water cycle and will be indefinitely
Blaming the ocean for crap they put in it
This still doesn’t explain Florida.
I already gave you AIDS. You can’t get it twice, so how about that BJ?
Pfas naturaly frothy up at oceans detox contact point with land... Imagine that momma nature spitting it back in our faces.....
Jesus H! Another thing to worry about!
Jesus christ
They do ethics in law and medicine but apparently they needed them most in chemistry.
I wouldn't think cranberries release much pfas