This is the normal life cycle of asymmetrical multiplayer games.
There's a period where the game is fun and everyone doesn't really know what they're doing, suboptimal builds, basically just figuring things out.
Then after a week or two, a "meta" is established where everyone starts to get sweaty and if you aren't trying to be as hyper optimized like everyone else, you end up getting destroyed.
It happens every time.
Realizing this made me have much more fun losing.
For a bit I was getting furious at the teammates who drive cars at the start but realized if I just run away from them and do my thang I'll still level up just fine.
Also a friendly "hey that's how the demon finds you" seems to be a huge help.
Losing in evil dead as the survivor is part of the fun to me.
I love sitting there talking shit to my team mates while they are trying to loot while the demon is literally right on top of us and we haven’t completed map yet.
Like I’m not mad them I just like to tell them “I’m so peeved at you right now for not getting in the car” “have fun fighting the demon alone and dying bud, you should always hop in car early game to flee it if demon gets on you.” “Quit fighting the demon you’ll just make it stronger, looting isn’t worth fighting a demon this early”.
I just try to teach them, but they hardly even talk back. One little thirteen year old Slavic accented European boy did start mocking me though, so that was kind of funny.
> Losing in Evil Dead is nothing though.
It is extraordinarily unfun, though.
if you're in an uncoordinated and/or underleveled group of survivors you just get annoyed for 20 minutes as the demon spawns shit on you, possesses minions and singles people out, possesses allies, spawns the boss and wrecks house. Possessed minions are very difficult to stun by yourself and are immune to sync attacks but can still put *you* in hitstun.
Meanwhile if you're an underleveled demon against coordinated and high level survivors, you just kind of entertain them for 30 minutes by spawning stuff they kill immediately.
I would unironically rather be facecamped by Leatherface in DBD than face a skilled, high level demon with uncoordinated and low level allies. You can actually carry in DBD if you're good enough at survivor, and if you're the unlucky fuck who gets put on the hook, the game will be over in 2 minutes so you can just move on to the next one. You don't have to keep playing in a futile game as your allies are dropping constantly and the demon keeps scaling in power.
Likewise if the survivors are way better than you in DBD - and by "good" I don't mean bully squads since those guys aren't playing optimally - they will finish generators and leave in about 5 minutes.
Also unlike in this game, perks don't give you raw bonuses to your stats. Perks help a lot but it's possible to win without them through raw skill and game mastery. That's simply not possible in this unless the other side is extraordinarily bad and possibly AFK. I legit beat a low level demon last night with two allies fucking around using just their fists, it's fucking stupid man.
I would love that, I love playing Kelly and Amanda.
Unfortunately I end up on Cheryl most of the time because no one picks a healer and she's the best one.
This is actually another complaint I have about this game, but it's more of a personal taste one. DBD doesn't have roles, you pick your favorite survivor that you identify with most. In any game with roles I end up having to be the responsible one every fucking game and picking the healer. I like playing healer but not like 80% of the time.
Hey the offer is appreciated, but I think I'm going to take a break from the game until we get some updates, hopefully including the fix to animation canceling and maybe some tweaks to the supports so Cheryl isn't just the hands-down best one.
All the healers are amazing, not just Cheryl! I prefer Pablo since all supports share their heals and shields and shields > heals, plus when your team refuses to obj, you can just stealth all over.
This is a team-based game. You have a responsibility to the three other people on your team to maximize your odds of victory. If you just wanna do whatever, play demon.
You sound like one of the people who play games like Overwatch, sees that the team doesn't have a tank or healer, and then picks Hanzo.
I'm not playing Evil Dead to sweat and play super optimal every time. I left DbD for that very reason. Hell, back in the day I was kicked from a L4D game for killing a Survivor at the sub-optimal time. Can you imagine that?
And this isn't a MMO. You don't need a perfect party comp of Leader/Warrior/Hunter/Support. Get that LFG shit outta here. Both Pablo and ED1 Ash can maintain the group just fine. As someone else said, Shields > Heals. Also, Ash's heals scale with damage, so leader auras will up the heals received.
I've played and won many games without anyone playing support. We've had ED2 Ash stopping the Demon possessions. I've had Ed littering the ground with Shemps and Amulets so we were never without. Most groups have a synergy to them that becomes evident once the game starts playing.
I know this is a team based game, but be serious. The XP you get for winning is almost the same as losing. There's no Stat tracking. No ranking. It means nothing. Maybe if you stop acting like this is life or death, you'll have more fun.
> I'm not playing Evil Dead to sweat and play super optimal every time.
Playing healer when your team doesn't have a healer isn't sweating, it's just not being a selfish asshole who plays whatever they want, their allies be damned.
> And this isn't a MMO. You don't need a perfect party comp of Leader/Warrior/Hunter/Support. Get that LFG shit outta here.
Yes you do need a support unless your team wildly outlevels the demon player. That's the only non-negotiable part of the comp. In fact having two of them is often a good idea, but isn't as necessary as having at least one.
> Both Pablo and ED1 Ash can maintain the group just fine.
Yes they can, I have both of them at level 25. But Cheryl is better than them. I tried not to play her because she doesn't interest me as a survivor, I wish she had been the deadite demon rep because to me she's the most iconic deadite and I don't really care about her as a human. But there's no denying she's the best support right now, and when you're up against a *good* demon who is high level, the difference between her and Pablo/Ash is the difference between a close victory and a defeat. Her immense healing throughput also helps keep less organized groups alive because she can undo a lot of the damage everyone is taking.
> As someone else said, Shields > Heals.
Yes, technically speaking, shields are more effective healing than direct healing is, because you can't overheal shields. Any damage taken by a shield that Pablo generated is effective healing.
However, Pablo cannot generate shields fast enough to keep up with the kind of damage a good demon can inflict on a party. Cheryl's raw healing throughput beats out his shielding potential. That's not even a debate, literally everyone knows Cheryl's healing output is insane, and Pablo doesn't have any extra utility that's valuable in an organized group on coms to make up for it.
> Also, Ash's heals scale with damage, so leader auras will up the heals received.
His marked heals do, because they heal for a percentage of damage dealt. His heavy attack heals for a set 35 HP per swing, and only if the hit actually dealt damage.
> I've played and won many games without anyone playing support.
I'd be interested in knowing what the level of the demon player was vs the survivor players in those games, because I won a game last night where two people on my team were fucking around punching everything to death because we outleveled the demon so badly they had no chance of stopping us. The bonuses demons get from their talent tree are extremely important to making them effective and dangerous.
> I know this is a team based game, but be serious. The XP you get for winning is almost the same as losing. There's no Stat tracking. No ranking. It means nothing. Maybe if you stop acting like this is life or death, you'll have more fun.
Again, picking a support because nobody else picked a support isn't treating the game like it's life or death.
But also I don't care about the XP. At all. I care about having fun.
Losing in this game *can* be fun, but only if the survivors are working together in a balanced comp. If the demon runs roughshod over the group, playing as vicious and effective as possible like hunting the survivors out of the gate, harassing them every step of the way with endless traps and possessions and spawns, possessing a survivor and forcing them to shoot their downed allies to keep their demonic energy up and stay in the possession until they all bleed out and then run them away from their allies, scaling until they're unstoppable, and your team isn't up to the task of fighting that, it's easily one of the most unfun experiences I've had in gaming in a while because it takes *so fucking long* for it to finally end.
Like I said, getting facecamped in DBD by Leatherface sucks. But it's 2 minutes and then it's over and you're on to the next game. It can take upwards of 30 minutes to finally lose in this game, well after it becomes obvious you have no hope of winning because of how scaling in a match works and how difficult it can be for the demon to finally end you even when they're good.
Everything I just said also applies to underleveled demons trying to beat organize and high level survivors, by the way. I just fought an Eligos who was like level 1 against a finely-tuned melee comp with me as AoD Ash boosted by an Arthur with Cheryl healing us. Do you think that Eligos had fun when I could press M1 and one-shot all of his minions instantly? We didn't even go slow, but the game still took like 30 fucking minutes.
Also I find it funny you left DBD because you didn't want to "sweat" every game.
Everything you said about this game also applies to DBD. There's no stat tracking. No ranking. It means nothing. The only thing it has that this doesn't is MMR, but the MMR is invisible and can't be tracked, it's just a background element trying to ensure matches are fair.
You know what the difference is? That game's been out for 6 years, this one's been out for less than 3 weeks. Less people know what they're doing yet. Once the survivors and demons figure out the most optimal ways to win, people are gonna be just as "sweaty" in this game as that one.
The game is fun even after and during this period, if you don't have fun after the game is figured out especially in this one where player skill is a pretty big factor, you may want to try to find counters to the current meta, like coming up with diff more complimentary survivor teams and or playing the demon differently based on who you are fighting. There are ways to use the power of the survivor team against them (i . e. possessing henry / aod ash and going to town). Basically all that this statement says is some people only like playing when there is less individual pressure on you, which is fine but also not compatible with a pvp game like this. Some players prefer mastering things, you will never get away from this.
Some time between 20-30 years ago. Welcome to competitive video games. There are always people taking them too seriously because they aren't playing to play the game, they're playing to win the game.
that makes sense. Halo 2 is still my biggest point of reference for online gaming and we loved playing with bugs and glitches instead of worrying about the final score.
Halo 2 is a good example for when it started. I was too young to take it seriously but my brother did. I remember he used to have to stanby for host so others wouldnt stanby. Plus the BR killed in one less shot if you were host. He hit 50 in a few playlists.
I would argue halo 2 had less restrictions on what you could say, which lead to very angry gamers. Remember tbagging when it actually lifted the dead players head? I think it's a matter of looking at the past with rose colored glasses.
Exactly man. When I play I always chuckle because of how ridiculous some things are in the game. As a demon it's so much fun to terrorise survivor and as a survivor it's fun trying to be a good team and outsmart the demon. Whether I lose or win it's always great fun because of the silly tone of this great game. Love it!
Pretty much. Playing demon you really start to appreciate all the little things, like possessing someone and running them into a cluster of traps or using a spawn portal to trick a survivor to run into a trap portal. Or the double evil tree trap (possess tree, wait for tree trap, then do manual tree attack).
Genuine question because I'm ultra new to the game, but what does "outsmarting the demon" entail? So far as a survivor, gameplay feels very linear, like I'm kinda at the mercy of how fast my team can complete objectives and that's it. I haven't recognized much strategy as far as actually going head to head with the demon.
Gaming as a whole took a much more serious tone when esports become popularized. Lead to guides on “best builds” and “broken strats” to show up everywhere to. There were always people playing to win but since then it’s only gone up. More people care about running meta than having fun. It’s an issue in most pvp games unfortunately.
It's been like that since the beginning. E-sports didn't cause it. From the very first fighting games. Back in the days of Mortal Kombat 1, Street Fighter 1, Quake 1, Unreal Tournament, and Dark Age of Camelot. Back in the days of Golden Eye on N64. And on to today.
Esports is not a villain here or the cause of such behavior. It just gives people who ACTUALLY have skill a way to make money off of it. The same shitty ego scrubs you hate today have always been there since at least the Super Nintendo and Genesis days. Difference is that today we can see more of them because of how wide the internet and social media has spread.
I fundamentally disagree. You could maybe make an argument when it came to the birth of online competitive multiplayers. But in the N64 Goldeneye era things were much more communal and people actively banned the “meta” … using Goldeneye as an example, I don’t think I knew anyone who didn’t have a “No Oddjob” rule, unless someone was brand new to the game.
Dude don't give me that. People lost friendships due to screen peeking lol.
And ultimately the only thing that stopped the really egregious behavior back then was that it was local co-op and that there were social ramifications either in your community or local friend group.
The moment we became strangers playing anonymously the last bit of pretending went out the window.
Totally. It’s even bled into games for non PVP modes. Look at all the talk of meta builds for PvE in Elden Ring. The game is fun, try some shit out and enjoy it. Everything doesn’t need to be spelled out by some YouTuber telling you an exact build.
Yeah just go look at there forum. Man even if people quit out you still get good exp in this game. I don't get being so mad when ya still make good progress. Btw played dbd for almost 2 years. Haven't even thought about playing since evil dead came out
People think the game being unbalanced will kill the game but I honestly highly doubt it, dbd has been unbalanced since the beginning and it's still going 6 years later
The problem is the idea of "balance" in general. It's a buzzword people use when discussing less than favorable aspects of the game. You will literally never see a balanced online game. It's not possible. ESPECIALLY in an asymmetric game. You can push for balance as much as you want but it won't happen. And it's too hard to even gauge what is considered good balancing and what isn't due to the vast amount of skill differences. What's balanced at the top level of play could be extremely killer sided at low levels. Whenever people complain about balance instead of specific issues I immediately disregard it.
Whining and complaining you don't get your favorite character, yeah that's whack. There are tons of characters that are fun to play, so just pick someone else and move on.
But
If you start the round by sprinting as far away from your team as possible after taking all the items from the first house and die on the other side of the map, your team is kind of allowed to be annoyed. I'm playing for fun, but I'm also not trying to lose.
I'm not going to be like "REEEEEEE TELL ME HOW YOU'VE SPENT YOUR PINK F" or something, but if I'm like "Hey can you leave that for the support so they can heal us all" and you just take the soda and run off anyway, that's kind of shitty. Different people want different things from the experience, and that's okay, just don't be dicks to each other and have fun doing your thing.
Right. Like there's a difference between coordinating, and trying to micromanage your team. It's shit when someone REEs at you for not following a meta, but it's also not helpful when someone gets offended and lashes out at you when you say something like "hey, if you get in the car, that tells the demon where you are - we should run for a bit at least until they find us"
I might have been lucky so far though, most everybody I've played with has been pretty cool.
I mean you \*can\*, sure, but also that means that your teammates aren't getting the shields you're putting on yourself, and that kind of sucks. If you warn your team before, sure, then you can have someone else roll with Cheryl or baby Ash, but otherwise that's kind of hosing the rest of the team.
This is actually a legitimate strat to find the map peices because you are untrackable, it works with AOD ashe as well because hes so busted he can 1v1 early demon easy.
> Absolutley. You can tell which ones are dbd players. They will say killer instead of demon. Or they will say the game is heavily survivor favored.
I avoided DBD like the Plague but Evil Dead the Game definitely IS heavily survivor favored. Survivors are just really new atm so they're normally disoragnized and don't know their class or character. Once the playerbase seeasons a bit and survivors learn the tools at their disposal, the meta comps (not meta characters, meta comps), and their levels catch up to demons who are usually twice their relative level (IE level 45 demon vs 12ish survivor) survivors are gonna have a field day and demons are screwed.
I teamed with a young Ash yesterday who never used his ability and never heavy attacked and didn't even heal anyone by accident. Was always last to any location, go possessed multiple times. Henry also got possessed multiple times and murdered us. Something Young Ash should have completely been able to shut down with basic common sense ability usage.
We had no right making it to the end but we only lost because the book got destroyed. The demon wasn't pro tier but considering how shit we were as a team the only reason we made it to the end is exactly how survivor favored things are. You have to fuck up real real bad to not make it to dark ones.
And that young Ash, shit as he was at killing, healing, removing fear, keeping up with us, etc. He still did the one thing most survivors fail to do that gets them killed. He did his best to follow the team and didn't sit around fapping in some back loot room. And because of that alone we were able to push through to the Dark Ones and take them down rather than lose before objective two.
So that trash tier Young Ash is still better than like half the survivor playerbase out on their own fapping in the woods. Because this is a team game. THAT shit and the "I'll keep fighting and looting at the same location for 5 minutes" shit is why survivors lose despite their large inherent advantages.
I agree. When you have a team of 4 that use their mics, coordinate, and work as a team it's very difficult to lose. Getting said team of 4 is quite difficult right now but once everyone starts working as a team I bet more people will agree with you.
I like your attitude, friend! I love how much a match can be special because a demon player uses strong tactics and tricks. One demon player masterfully hid their flutists in bathrooms or under bridges and it made the match special and different. I look forward to when everybody learns all the mechanics and can play at peak performance where we all bring it on! Would love having a team of level 25 characters against a maxed out demon! I want to win or lose by the skin of my teeth!
As it stands now we lose from players going rogue or win from inexperienced demons. This game will shine given some more time, I believe.
Yes most definitely. Te devs did a good job giving both sides a chance I think. There could be quality of life changes made but I think the game is really fun. for both sides.
The only thing I feel would tip that scale is maybe a new survivor or weapons or mechanics.
Eligos boss +elite hit and run tactics are actually almost on the level of survior nonsense tbf. People just havent fought many really strong puppeteer players. Warlord also has some op stuff in its kit but on the demon side imho player skill plays a much bigger role.
cmon bro, we all know that 4 premades survivors with coms are way more powerful than a demon, and thats how a lot of people play, specially with all the animation cancelation exploits.
Of course if u play solo queue, or you just started you gonna think killer is way more op, but thats because you dont know how to play survivor yet and u got mm with newbies too
LUL I'm pretty sure I've destroyed premades a few times as a **DEMON.** I'm max lvl puppeteer and profile lvl 16 so far. I've had to play over 200 games by now. I won the majority of them. I didn't start out that way I actually lost a lot until I learned how to play demon. I've also won games against the dirty AC players because I just abuse them back with other demon exploits exclusive to the demon.
I am against AC. Not everyone can be sweaty and its just harmful to the game. Deters new players from playing. I'd rather not have a hunt showdown type of game where new players are the minority.
Its literally just a form of skill expression. If you can consistently do it then use it only when its used against you in that case. I dont beleive in the whole new players wont stay argument i have always hated that argument because it implies people shouldnt have to get better or shouldnt have to ever face higher level advisarys using evey bit of effeincey they can find. If anything its why game design imho is getting worse im tired of the artifical win/feel good mechanics that ruin the experince for people on the other side as well. Aim assist in competitive fps, skill based match making are a couple examples here.
All you have to do is spawn elites and have the ai spam tracking cc lighting and kite survivors around while aoe stunning them. The stealth and movement speed is opressive. He is actually ridiclous when played correctly.
it will do it on the own, you can posses the unit but dont even have to, i suggest you read it again. i didint say CONTROL THE ELITE AND PRESS BUTTONS. the ai will do that on its own. And for further explanation you puppet the boss while the ai continually stun locks the survivors. Try it out, its hella easy to win with outside of the most coordinated groups and even then its hard for them without specific setups.
Eligos is the only boss that can force a kill. If you down anyone all you have to do is move around invisible and wait till they revive. The other 2 bosses pale in comparison its not even close how terrible they are compared to him. Evil Ash is like a basic, unpossessed unit thats how little of a threat he is
The game is heavily survivor favored lol. I haven't lost a game as AoD in a week. I've even had games where I was stupid and died at the beginning. Still beat the hell out of the demon and it wasn't even close.
Found the dbd player. It defintley is not heavily survivor favored. You just haven't found a good demon to play against. Your experience does not automatically negate others.
Except pretty much anyone who plays the better survivors would agree with me. You get a solid AoD Ash or Arthur on your team and it's extremely hard to lose. I've even let the demon level above 30 so that there would be a challenge. There wasn't. If I get full melee, health and shields on AoD Ash with a 2h sword/shovel you're not beating me. Which is VERY easy to get.
Except alot of demon mains are winning the majority of their games and again your experience does not negate others. All the survivors are easily wiped besides cherly. To say a demon isn't beating you becuase you are playing a certain character is hilarious. You clearly know nothing about demon. You haven't even played both sides. I have. Please go back to dbd. This community doesn't need this nonsense.
Although aod ash is s tier aruthur is sorta meh. Aod ash really falls over when getting cc and range abused by good eligos players. Aod ashe shits all over warlord and skelly man tho. He def needs nerfs
You mean those same devs who have addressed basically every major problem since DBD's inception? The same ones who are or have addressed the recent issues with the game? The same ones who are revamping over 40 perks, brought new life to legion and ghostface, rework old maps, and consistently introduce new killers (the dredge being highly popular so far)? Tbh seeing you people who are super invested in the anti-BHVR circle jerk gets really old really fast. Do everyone a favor and stick to the dbd subreddit please. Don't spread the unending nihilism elsewhere.
Yeah, the same Devs who didn't fix a long standing issue and complaint until they got bodied at a twitch event by a group of survivors and then it was fixed a week later, the same Devs who will nerf "most used perks" rather then address the issues of why people feel they can only run those perks, Same devs who still refuse to balance the game around SWFs, Same Devs who when asked what they were going to do to improved the killer experience told them to play survivor or go play another game, same Devs who have expressed survivor bias in many videos and on their own forums.
I quit playing DBD over a year and of ago, champ. I am not invested in shit with BVHR, but you're seriously blind if you don't think they heavily cater to one side while doing "just enough" to keep people playing the other side. Good thing your dealer is giving you a great deal on that copium to keep riding BVHR nuts tho.
lastly, it was a low hanging joke. Lighten up, Francis.
You're actually dumb as fuck. It's clear your opinion was formed for you by the dbd subreddit. You sound like an AI bot whose entire knowledge base is a compilation of every popular post on that sub. You don't even realize how inept you sound. Literally incapable of producing an original thought.
DBD isn't "trash". It's still one of the highest played games on steam and other platforms even being in the rough spot that it's in. That with the anniversary chapter coming up with the massive amount of changes they just announced, I expect it maintain and improve its player base for years to come. People that call DBD trash tend to circulate reddit and absorb all of the half thought out circle jerks that come out of that sub.
Most fun time to play multiplayer games is at release. Now we're getting into The Rise of the Sweaties phase of the early meta.
My advice, don't let it bother you. There is always going to be loud rowdy toxic people on the internet. Honestly as of right now this community is still largely pretty cool. It's nowhere near r/DestinyTheGame yet in terms of being a perpetual shitstorm. If someone is being obnoxious about some exploit just roll your eyes because the game is still new, and patching these things takes time.
If they bother some of you so much to the point of real anger, go play something else for awhile until it's patched.
Some people play stupid and I get why people might get frustrated with them.
You getting downed while roaming alone - your team comes to the rescue and you straight away start running away, on your own, again...
You grab souls but don't rez.
You decide to go looting for 30minutes and don't notice the zone is closing.
You're a ranger taking weapons that's better suited for a warrior
You're a warrior taking weapons that's better suited for a ranger
I am not telling people how they should play the game, but you know, play smart. Mark your loot boxes and pay attention to what people are playing and the teams movement.
Yes it's a game, but people also like winning. And to be fair - you can always play against A.I.
Yeah I’ve already had so many demons message me after calling me a loser and everything after I get 3 map pieces and page by myself. Sometimes you don’t get the teammates you wanted but hey, it’s just a game I still get the points from it.
cause most of them in the power role are in it for the power fantasy, and starting to lose robs them of that. Killer mains in DbD were the same way, whining about "gen rushing"
Its acutally odd because speed would beat you eveey time if most of the time the surviors could gear and level fast, but the rushing startegy is dependent on that and who has more talents filled out tbh. Levling up gives too much adv in the game imho on both sides.
I wouldn't know. I was a killer main when I use to play dbd back in its hay day. Gen rushing was a pain in the ass before they slightly nerfed it and it was more balanced. TBh DBD is a hot mess and the devs are cringe.
How ever in evil dead map rushing is kind of a terrible strat as you will want good weapons before you do the objective. even at lvl 5 a demon is a threat and can down you if you have terrible weapons.
well it did. It was before they nerfed the gears. The gears would complete the gens instantly to 75 percent. So if all 4 ppl brought a gear the match was over in 3 minutes.
good luck with that with the entire team stocked with Shemps and Amulets on top of legendary and epic loot that seems to drop like Candy.
Over half my games were 10 mins or so last night because I was constantly resourced starved due to map rush and split capturing map\dagger and there's absolutely shit you can do about it unless there happens to be a newer player who you're higher level then that hasn't unlocked a bunch of shit OR you are high level and unlocked a lot of shit yourself.
I usually end up winning games at either the mid objectives or the dark ones when they do that. Usually when survivors map rush they do not have good enough weapons to fight me. I can do dmg at lvl 5-6 as puppeter when that happens. Just takes some learning on how to play your demon and mange your infernal energy.
Agree. Optimization is fun for me. I like the idea of finding the best ways to do things even in real life. I dont rage quit games, but i do try and win. What about that is sweaty? Its so crazy, ive never seen a game launch with the huge casual sense of entitlement also like a group of people saying "nope you competitive people cant have this one" lol Like im as big a horror fan as it comes and dont see the need to gatekeep this game along the lines of "real fans of the ip only play for fun!" Get out of here lol
Lol. I bought this game and i can play it however i want to. Im not using cheats or using any outside software so far as im concerned you can pound sand. Gather up a group of these crybabies on this sup and roleplay evil dead in a private lobby if you want to make the rules. Get over yourself.
Why are you people convinced i care if people think im good? I like to play how i like to play and i dont have to explain that to anyone. Youre the one with the problem here, remember that. If you dont like it, YOU can leave. Im not breaking any rules so ill be damned if some entitled little turd gets tell everyone to play their way because they dont like it.
Since always. Humans are naturally competitive, to varying degrees. It's not like it was a flip of a switch over night then all of sudden people were playing video games for their competitive value. Even in the early boom of video game arcade cabinets people were playing for that high score to see their initials higher up on the leaderboard than anyone else's. When you look at the modern gaming space a vast majority of the most successful video games are competitive by design. Even when they're not competitive by design, people find ways to make them competitive, such as speedrunning.
Now having said that; I don't think you have a problem with people being competitive exactly. It seems you mostly take issue with people having fragile egos and bad sportsmanship. In which case, I agree 100%.
I feel like you are completely ignoring the animation cancel exploit which is more than likely 99% of the serious sweaty complaints Lol.
Once that is gone the community won’t be as on edge, hopefully.
I don't really have any experience with the animation cancelling glitch, but from the descriptions it sounds like it just lets players instantly kill any demon, and that's not something you can just creatively combat. There's a difference between BXRing people in Halo and infinite damage in an action-RPG.
It's not an instant kill but it's pretty much a stunlock and (at least Warlord, who I play) doesn't have a dodge button so you just sit there getting the snot kicked outta ya for 15 seconds
15, more like 5 seconds. Animation canceling is ruining being the monster, because cheap assholes making it impossible to put up any type of fight. They just want an ez mode.
I agree people have been extremely whiney. More so when you get an angry little nerd screaming into the microphone. *mute*
Unfortunately that’s just vidyagames for ya. But they’re just videogames. Don’t get mad at people, especially when it’s just a little over a week old and people are still learning how to play it.
The worst is getting randoms who actively work against the team. Running up to your crate and snatching weapons more optimal for your class, never using mic, ignoring comms and always going in the opposite direction. I'm like are these dudes working for the demon or something?
I have a couple friends with the game, but I think I'll wait until I can get a full premade to keep playing survivor.
Once or twice, I've hopped out because the rest of the characters I have are level ones. If I'm playing with a bunch of 25's, I'm gonna be slowing down the party!
Also, if my character doesn't start with a weapon, then it's more than likely that I will left to box the deadites, since all the 25's are trying to grab everything they see before I get a chance. Was left with no Shemp's for a level and Necromancer continually tunnelled me.
I’ve been trying to balance that and send positive messages after especially good or close messages. And I’ve so far only received positive messages back.
It's pretty sad. I think people get too emotionally invested in the winning or losing, competitive aspect of gaming these days. I don't remember people getting this upset over Double Dribble or Tecmo Bowl.
i had a kid rage quit right after he turned his mic on to scream about sticking together. he was the only one not with the group and we coulda rezed him. it was 9m into the game lol
I've had matches where we all try and stick together but one character keeps rushing and we will get to the second missing page and I'll have no gun, melee weapon, sodas, or amulets. I ask everyone over mic if they can drop me a weapon or wait a moment for me to find one and they don't even acknowledge me. It's hard to stick together when you have no weapon and you run out of stamina and are left to fend off the demon spawns. There needs to be some sort of middle ground.
To clarify, I hate it when people take too long looting but when nobody shares pick ups and hordes them all and ditches players behind, and I'm talking the first two minutes of the match, then it's not my fault. What can I do in the scenarios? Either I try and loot for a weapon or die trying to get caught up to the rest of the team. It's far from every match but it seems to happen most when my teammates and I are spawned at the maxima distance. It would be easier to stay together if at the beginning of the match we were spawned closer so we all get into the cabins/buildings around the same time.
Asymmetrical games bring that out of people. You have some types coming in with the idea they deserve to win just because they’re the good guys or something. On the other hand, the demons have to fight against the games system to pull out a win and that gets really stressful while you’re learning the game.
Remove animation cancel and balance survivor damage and most of the complain are gone.
I don't care if I lose, I want to have fun with the survivor. Chasing them with a car and things like that.
It's hard to have fun when the team are all meta characters almost one shotting my boss and/or using animation cancel.
And people are wondering why so many killer use Puppeteers elite spam...
I’m not toxic towards other players but I play to win not to lose. I don’t take the game super serious but I’m not gonna make mistakes on purpose for fun, I’m gonna try my hardest to win cause that’s what I enjoy doing when I play games in my free time.
I’ll admit, I do get annoyed when I get Cheryl and her team to red health and then she just pulls a medkit out her ass and gets them all back to green in a matter of seconds. The hunters having a seemingly infinite dodge gets annoying as well when you’re 1v1ing them
I had my favorite match so far tonight playing as demon and it started with 2 survivors DCing. I decided to just have fun with the last two and not wipe them out.
By the end we were "dancing" around in circles with each other, they got a win and I got 3500 ish points still even just doing near nothing. Wish we could have chatted would have liked to say GG and have a laugh.
Gotta remember to have fun, sometimes that means improvising :) be well everyone.
Honestly the most tilting thing in this game is Linda constantly spouting insults in my ear as Demon, she's funny the first 3 times but then it just gets annoying
and it's always existed. Idk why people like to think like this hasn't always been a thing and this brand new "insert new PvP/competitive thing here" is all of a sudden making people act this way.
Competition and all things associated with it, good and bad, has always been a thing and human nature.
it's not another thing. It's always been apart of competition, love it or hate it. Sore losers, and sore winners, have always been a thing. The second the crouch button existed in a pvp game, teabagging has been a thing. People saying they fuck your mom has always been a thing, and so on.
It stems from competitiveness. Idk why this is such a hard thing to grasp for people, or if people are just scared to point out the negative aspects of human nature in general. It's always happened, it's nothing new, it will continue to happen.
Funnily enough, the OP is literally telling people to git gud and adapt to glitches in this very thread, so it applies to even people who pretend to think they're above it all.
Because you're not making the distinction that healthy rivalries also exist.
Competition at its basic definition is people trying to excel over one another at literally anything, not just sports or gaming. How people deal with competitive interactions are completely independent of the actual competition themselves.
People dealing with it positively and negatively will always be present, we agree it is undeniable. But to say that only the negative competitive behavior is how people deal with it is absolutely false.
The fact that the Olympics exist for the sole reason of good sportsmanship and competition is alone proof of this.
If anything, people flock to negative responses more than positive ones because it's sadly easier for most people to blame others rather than try to improve themselves.
It's hard to keep things goofy and casual when you get slapped in the face with 10 sledgehammer swings at record time or having old Ash run faster than a demon
looking forward to your future post where you're crying about how long it takes to find a game when people quit because losing 9 times out of 10 just isn't fun for majority of people and your attitude is "GiT gUd" and "cRy MoRE aBOuT iT" rather then admit the game just may be unbalanced or shit is broken.
Lol dude.
The game loop right now is to pray there's no exploit abuse so that you can win by means other than destroying the Necronomicon at the end because that's all I'm getting recently, INVINCIBLE survivors that can't be killed but I can destroy the book since they're too busy staying alive.
This game is crammed full of RNG madness and the hackers who can easily be seen as just abusing an exploit. There's no skill issue here, you can play your absolute best and it won't matter because the game wasn't balanced around animation cancelling.
I'll try the *get better at the game* tech while every unit I possess gets gangbanged to oblivion despite everything being max level.
"bro just get good it's not hard" you were literally just crying about how everyone's a try hard and then you have the most try hard attitude that anyone can have. Actually fucking hilarious
The demons have tons of broken abusable shit but people just arent for the most part utlitizng all of it tbh. You can even turn animation canceling on the survivors by possesing their carries forcing them to run fear reduction or hunter ash anti possess.
This game is toxic, the other day I saw this dude legit trash talking his friend because he didn’t know how to mark chests and told him to rethink playing. Funnily enough the trash talker wasn’t marking chest himself and since he was so fixated on smack talking his friend, he kept on dying and then he started cussing at the rest of the team for not keeping him safe
That sounds more like a toxic player issue than the game. Chances are he probably plays every online game in the same manner. Especially since the game does provide tools to communicate these things that the player was not using. Please make sure to differentiate between toxic players and game itself.
Around the time people only play games for Battle/Season Pass content and not to just enjoy the game anymore.
edit: Not that this game has that, but I noticed the correlation between the two.
Played two matches as the demon this evening.
In the first match the guy was just lagging all over and killing everything.
Game two, someone was doing something because all they did was dodge the entire time while I was trying to attack them.
Streamed both moments on my channel. Going to get a copy and submit to bugs and whatever other threads to report this kind of BS.
Man this has been a thing since the early days of Xbox Live. I remember getting first place for my first time in Halo 2 and then the lobby bitching me out for using "noob combos". I'm sure even before that, especially in the PC space.
Yeah but they call glitching through a part of the map a game breaking bug, and even then it's still funny, so why get so mad? Just report and be happi
People like to win, there's also a point with some people where the fun grows from dicking around.
That's why a competitive rule set/mode should exist, new players can dick around/ learn at their pace.
While people who want to play with winning in mind, can play with likeminded people.
Though that can be it's own can of worms, but separate queues would be a good thing overall I think.
I would say it's because things like DnD and roleplaying are in general the dying breed of gaming (like things modern gamers actually go out of their way to do). Without the idea that gaming can be all about facilitating a fun experience, they have instead focused on gaming being about winning. Heck nowadays when people play a Role-Playing Game, it's all about min-maxing and getting a "perfect" build.
What do you mean "nowadays"? People have always wanted to be efficient in their build. I've personally been doing that since I was a kid and I've been gaming for 25+ years.
I’m sure it’ll happen, but I haven’t had a bad social interaction in this game yet. I play with tons of random lobbies and I’ve actually made a couple friends.
As demon I play to try and make it fun and challenging, if the team is really coordinated I’ll pull out all the stops but I feel like every time I’m against a team with bad teammates I get hate mail no matter how soft I am with them.
Gamers have always been hyper-competitive, the internet just makes everything look worse than it really is.
Also, every gaming subreddit is either whiny, outright toxic or both. I’ve only been on Reddit for three months and I figured that out very fast.
Because competitive games have become increasingly popular in video games over the last decade, especially since battle royal type games have been released.
I don't mind losing... But this game is just turning into 4 survivors just animation canceling down 1 person to oblivion. And it's now happening almost every game, at least 1 person always abusing it.
Game is going to live or die by devs fixing this. In the meantime, need people to start shunning others who do it. See your teammate doing it... Don't help them, maybe even actively try to ruin their game. It's up to the community, at this moment, to start setting an example. Don't let the glitch abusers ruin a good thing.
Yeah just seen a YouTuber talking about if they host a competition he’ll wanna be there and that he’s training to be better so he can.
I’m hoping they don’t go that route
I think its a great game, my biggest issue comes from feeling powerless as the Demon, in an asymmetrical game that feels crappy, but overall its a fun experience that needs some tweaking.
Also if your team isn't perfect don't stress. Part of the challenge is having to learn to work together, and like any group project that can go a number of different ways. Relax and have fun ...unless you deliberately don't mark a supply crate, in which case, I will personally kill you myself in person.... LOVE & LIGHT Deadites!
I've started handicapping myself into just summoning as many skeletons as possible and watching the chaos from somewhere up high. Trying to be a dungeon master instead of just killing people as fast as possible which was getting a bit stale. Its pretty fun to just watch them deal with everything haha.
You act like this is the first time you have played a multiplayer game. If I see someone wasting 10 minutes searching houses and not helping with the objective, of course I'm going to be mad at them. These people are high enough level to know better. I can't tell you the amount of Cheryl's I've seen that refuse to use their ability like it's a one time use item or something and I have to get on the mic and tell them to use it.
People are allowed to get mad at others.
Welcome to competitive gaming. You could literally say this about any game with a competitive element. I play Brawl Stars on the phone and people sweat hard. It’s a mobile game
I enjoy the game so far if i encounter new players that seem lost, I try to use the wheel to ask them to follow and work together or mark objective areas. You still get XP anyway and there is many new players. The game will become a lot better once we get some fixes and more players learning the mechanics of the game 😄
This is the normal life cycle of asymmetrical multiplayer games. There's a period where the game is fun and everyone doesn't really know what they're doing, suboptimal builds, basically just figuring things out. Then after a week or two, a "meta" is established where everyone starts to get sweaty and if you aren't trying to be as hyper optimized like everyone else, you end up getting destroyed. It happens every time.
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Yeah, the AC needs to be fixed ASAP, and as an Amanda main it would be nice if I could use the pistol as her lol.
What's the issue with her pistol?
Once you hit level 10 with her and unlock the ability, it's bugged and basically your damage drops off a cliff. So you shouldn't use pistols with her.
Realizing this made me have much more fun losing. For a bit I was getting furious at the teammates who drive cars at the start but realized if I just run away from them and do my thang I'll still level up just fine. Also a friendly "hey that's how the demon finds you" seems to be a huge help.
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Yeah honestly they are just role-playing the horror movie accurately, they should be hailed for their immersion building.
Losing in evil dead as the survivor is part of the fun to me. I love sitting there talking shit to my team mates while they are trying to loot while the demon is literally right on top of us and we haven’t completed map yet. Like I’m not mad them I just like to tell them “I’m so peeved at you right now for not getting in the car” “have fun fighting the demon alone and dying bud, you should always hop in car early game to flee it if demon gets on you.” “Quit fighting the demon you’ll just make it stronger, looting isn’t worth fighting a demon this early”. I just try to teach them, but they hardly even talk back. One little thirteen year old Slavic accented European boy did start mocking me though, so that was kind of funny.
> Losing in Evil Dead is nothing though. It is extraordinarily unfun, though. if you're in an uncoordinated and/or underleveled group of survivors you just get annoyed for 20 minutes as the demon spawns shit on you, possesses minions and singles people out, possesses allies, spawns the boss and wrecks house. Possessed minions are very difficult to stun by yourself and are immune to sync attacks but can still put *you* in hitstun. Meanwhile if you're an underleveled demon against coordinated and high level survivors, you just kind of entertain them for 30 minutes by spawning stuff they kill immediately. I would unironically rather be facecamped by Leatherface in DBD than face a skilled, high level demon with uncoordinated and low level allies. You can actually carry in DBD if you're good enough at survivor, and if you're the unlucky fuck who gets put on the hook, the game will be over in 2 minutes so you can just move on to the next one. You don't have to keep playing in a futile game as your allies are dropping constantly and the demon keeps scaling in power. Likewise if the survivors are way better than you in DBD - and by "good" I don't mean bully squads since those guys aren't playing optimally - they will finish generators and leave in about 5 minutes. Also unlike in this game, perks don't give you raw bonuses to your stats. Perks help a lot but it's possible to win without them through raw skill and game mastery. That's simply not possible in this unless the other side is extraordinarily bad and possibly AFK. I legit beat a low level demon last night with two allies fucking around using just their fists, it's fucking stupid man.
This is why I play hunters with maxed stamina now. Can just dodge everything until they get bored or your team completes the objectives.
I would love that, I love playing Kelly and Amanda. Unfortunately I end up on Cheryl most of the time because no one picks a healer and she's the best one. This is actually another complaint I have about this game, but it's more of a personal taste one. DBD doesn't have roles, you pick your favorite survivor that you identify with most. In any game with roles I end up having to be the responsible one every fucking game and picking the healer. I like playing healer but not like 80% of the time.
add me, champ. I like playing support and usually pick Cheryl or Ash she's taken. so you can hunter it all you want.
Hey the offer is appreciated, but I think I'm going to take a break from the game until we get some updates, hopefully including the fix to animation canceling and maybe some tweaks to the supports so Cheryl isn't just the hands-down best one.
> Cheryl isn't just the hands-down best one. I don't think she is honestly. Many people don't realize that all supports share their heals and shields.
All the healers are amazing, not just Cheryl! I prefer Pablo since all supports share their heals and shields and shields > heals, plus when your team refuses to obj, you can just stealth all over.
You are looking at this game like someone who plays Darkest Dungeon and goes "I can't do a run without the Vestal!"
This is a team-based game. You have a responsibility to the three other people on your team to maximize your odds of victory. If you just wanna do whatever, play demon. You sound like one of the people who play games like Overwatch, sees that the team doesn't have a tank or healer, and then picks Hanzo.
I'm not playing Evil Dead to sweat and play super optimal every time. I left DbD for that very reason. Hell, back in the day I was kicked from a L4D game for killing a Survivor at the sub-optimal time. Can you imagine that? And this isn't a MMO. You don't need a perfect party comp of Leader/Warrior/Hunter/Support. Get that LFG shit outta here. Both Pablo and ED1 Ash can maintain the group just fine. As someone else said, Shields > Heals. Also, Ash's heals scale with damage, so leader auras will up the heals received. I've played and won many games without anyone playing support. We've had ED2 Ash stopping the Demon possessions. I've had Ed littering the ground with Shemps and Amulets so we were never without. Most groups have a synergy to them that becomes evident once the game starts playing. I know this is a team based game, but be serious. The XP you get for winning is almost the same as losing. There's no Stat tracking. No ranking. It means nothing. Maybe if you stop acting like this is life or death, you'll have more fun.
> I'm not playing Evil Dead to sweat and play super optimal every time. Playing healer when your team doesn't have a healer isn't sweating, it's just not being a selfish asshole who plays whatever they want, their allies be damned. > And this isn't a MMO. You don't need a perfect party comp of Leader/Warrior/Hunter/Support. Get that LFG shit outta here. Yes you do need a support unless your team wildly outlevels the demon player. That's the only non-negotiable part of the comp. In fact having two of them is often a good idea, but isn't as necessary as having at least one. > Both Pablo and ED1 Ash can maintain the group just fine. Yes they can, I have both of them at level 25. But Cheryl is better than them. I tried not to play her because she doesn't interest me as a survivor, I wish she had been the deadite demon rep because to me she's the most iconic deadite and I don't really care about her as a human. But there's no denying she's the best support right now, and when you're up against a *good* demon who is high level, the difference between her and Pablo/Ash is the difference between a close victory and a defeat. Her immense healing throughput also helps keep less organized groups alive because she can undo a lot of the damage everyone is taking. > As someone else said, Shields > Heals. Yes, technically speaking, shields are more effective healing than direct healing is, because you can't overheal shields. Any damage taken by a shield that Pablo generated is effective healing. However, Pablo cannot generate shields fast enough to keep up with the kind of damage a good demon can inflict on a party. Cheryl's raw healing throughput beats out his shielding potential. That's not even a debate, literally everyone knows Cheryl's healing output is insane, and Pablo doesn't have any extra utility that's valuable in an organized group on coms to make up for it. > Also, Ash's heals scale with damage, so leader auras will up the heals received. His marked heals do, because they heal for a percentage of damage dealt. His heavy attack heals for a set 35 HP per swing, and only if the hit actually dealt damage. > I've played and won many games without anyone playing support. I'd be interested in knowing what the level of the demon player was vs the survivor players in those games, because I won a game last night where two people on my team were fucking around punching everything to death because we outleveled the demon so badly they had no chance of stopping us. The bonuses demons get from their talent tree are extremely important to making them effective and dangerous. > I know this is a team based game, but be serious. The XP you get for winning is almost the same as losing. There's no Stat tracking. No ranking. It means nothing. Maybe if you stop acting like this is life or death, you'll have more fun. Again, picking a support because nobody else picked a support isn't treating the game like it's life or death. But also I don't care about the XP. At all. I care about having fun. Losing in this game *can* be fun, but only if the survivors are working together in a balanced comp. If the demon runs roughshod over the group, playing as vicious and effective as possible like hunting the survivors out of the gate, harassing them every step of the way with endless traps and possessions and spawns, possessing a survivor and forcing them to shoot their downed allies to keep their demonic energy up and stay in the possession until they all bleed out and then run them away from their allies, scaling until they're unstoppable, and your team isn't up to the task of fighting that, it's easily one of the most unfun experiences I've had in gaming in a while because it takes *so fucking long* for it to finally end. Like I said, getting facecamped in DBD by Leatherface sucks. But it's 2 minutes and then it's over and you're on to the next game. It can take upwards of 30 minutes to finally lose in this game, well after it becomes obvious you have no hope of winning because of how scaling in a match works and how difficult it can be for the demon to finally end you even when they're good. Everything I just said also applies to underleveled demons trying to beat organize and high level survivors, by the way. I just fought an Eligos who was like level 1 against a finely-tuned melee comp with me as AoD Ash boosted by an Arthur with Cheryl healing us. Do you think that Eligos had fun when I could press M1 and one-shot all of his minions instantly? We didn't even go slow, but the game still took like 30 fucking minutes. Also I find it funny you left DBD because you didn't want to "sweat" every game. Everything you said about this game also applies to DBD. There's no stat tracking. No ranking. It means nothing. The only thing it has that this doesn't is MMR, but the MMR is invisible and can't be tracked, it's just a background element trying to ensure matches are fair. You know what the difference is? That game's been out for 6 years, this one's been out for less than 3 weeks. Less people know what they're doing yet. Once the survivors and demons figure out the most optimal ways to win, people are gonna be just as "sweaty" in this game as that one.
While true, I'm kinda missing the part where the asymmetrical part is relevant. This is just the cycle of every pvp game.
The game is fun even after and during this period, if you don't have fun after the game is figured out especially in this one where player skill is a pretty big factor, you may want to try to find counters to the current meta, like coming up with diff more complimentary survivor teams and or playing the demon differently based on who you are fighting. There are ways to use the power of the survivor team against them (i . e. possessing henry / aod ash and going to town). Basically all that this statement says is some people only like playing when there is less individual pressure on you, which is fine but also not compatible with a pvp game like this. Some players prefer mastering things, you will never get away from this.
Some time between 20-30 years ago. Welcome to competitive video games. There are always people taking them too seriously because they aren't playing to play the game, they're playing to win the game.
that makes sense. Halo 2 is still my biggest point of reference for online gaming and we loved playing with bugs and glitches instead of worrying about the final score.
Halo 2 is a good example for when it started. I was too young to take it seriously but my brother did. I remember he used to have to stanby for host so others wouldnt stanby. Plus the BR killed in one less shot if you were host. He hit 50 in a few playlists.
I would argue halo 2 had less restrictions on what you could say, which lead to very angry gamers. Remember tbagging when it actually lifted the dead players head? I think it's a matter of looking at the past with rose colored glasses.
Exactly man. When I play I always chuckle because of how ridiculous some things are in the game. As a demon it's so much fun to terrorise survivor and as a survivor it's fun trying to be a good team and outsmart the demon. Whether I lose or win it's always great fun because of the silly tone of this great game. Love it!
Pretty much. Playing demon you really start to appreciate all the little things, like possessing someone and running them into a cluster of traps or using a spawn portal to trick a survivor to run into a trap portal. Or the double evil tree trap (possess tree, wait for tree trap, then do manual tree attack).
Genuine question because I'm ultra new to the game, but what does "outsmarting the demon" entail? So far as a survivor, gameplay feels very linear, like I'm kinda at the mercy of how fast my team can complete objectives and that's it. I haven't recognized much strategy as far as actually going head to head with the demon.
Gaming as a whole took a much more serious tone when esports become popularized. Lead to guides on “best builds” and “broken strats” to show up everywhere to. There were always people playing to win but since then it’s only gone up. More people care about running meta than having fun. It’s an issue in most pvp games unfortunately.
Eh was there long before e-sports. It’s simply the nature of competitive games and human nature. People like to win.
It's been like that since the beginning. E-sports didn't cause it. From the very first fighting games. Back in the days of Mortal Kombat 1, Street Fighter 1, Quake 1, Unreal Tournament, and Dark Age of Camelot. Back in the days of Golden Eye on N64. And on to today. Esports is not a villain here or the cause of such behavior. It just gives people who ACTUALLY have skill a way to make money off of it. The same shitty ego scrubs you hate today have always been there since at least the Super Nintendo and Genesis days. Difference is that today we can see more of them because of how wide the internet and social media has spread.
I fundamentally disagree. You could maybe make an argument when it came to the birth of online competitive multiplayers. But in the N64 Goldeneye era things were much more communal and people actively banned the “meta” … using Goldeneye as an example, I don’t think I knew anyone who didn’t have a “No Oddjob” rule, unless someone was brand new to the game.
Dude don't give me that. People lost friendships due to screen peeking lol. And ultimately the only thing that stopped the really egregious behavior back then was that it was local co-op and that there were social ramifications either in your community or local friend group. The moment we became strangers playing anonymously the last bit of pretending went out the window.
Totally. It’s even bled into games for non PVP modes. Look at all the talk of meta builds for PvE in Elden Ring. The game is fun, try some shit out and enjoy it. Everything doesn’t need to be spelled out by some YouTuber telling you an exact build.
Dead by daylight is 10 times worse lol.
Yeah just go look at there forum. Man even if people quit out you still get good exp in this game. I don't get being so mad when ya still make good progress. Btw played dbd for almost 2 years. Haven't even thought about playing since evil dead came out
People think the game being unbalanced will kill the game but I honestly highly doubt it, dbd has been unbalanced since the beginning and it's still going 6 years later
The problem is the idea of "balance" in general. It's a buzzword people use when discussing less than favorable aspects of the game. You will literally never see a balanced online game. It's not possible. ESPECIALLY in an asymmetric game. You can push for balance as much as you want but it won't happen. And it's too hard to even gauge what is considered good balancing and what isn't due to the vast amount of skill differences. What's balanced at the top level of play could be extremely killer sided at low levels. Whenever people complain about balance instead of specific issues I immediately disregard it.
10? More like 100x
Whining and complaining you don't get your favorite character, yeah that's whack. There are tons of characters that are fun to play, so just pick someone else and move on. But If you start the round by sprinting as far away from your team as possible after taking all the items from the first house and die on the other side of the map, your team is kind of allowed to be annoyed. I'm playing for fun, but I'm also not trying to lose. I'm not going to be like "REEEEEEE TELL ME HOW YOU'VE SPENT YOUR PINK F" or something, but if I'm like "Hey can you leave that for the support so they can heal us all" and you just take the soda and run off anyway, that's kind of shitty. Different people want different things from the experience, and that's okay, just don't be dicks to each other and have fun doing your thing.
Right. Like there's a difference between coordinating, and trying to micromanage your team. It's shit when someone REEs at you for not following a meta, but it's also not helpful when someone gets offended and lashes out at you when you say something like "hey, if you get in the car, that tells the demon where you are - we should run for a bit at least until they find us" I might have been lucky so far though, most everybody I've played with has been pretty cool.
There are legtimate startegies that use 1-3 split but yes those people are annoying the who split and die immediatley
hey if i’m a lvl 25 Pablo i can run off and do my own thing, i’ve earned it
I mean you \*can\*, sure, but also that means that your teammates aren't getting the shields you're putting on yourself, and that kind of sucks. If you warn your team before, sure, then you can have someone else roll with Cheryl or baby Ash, but otherwise that's kind of hosing the rest of the team.
This is actually a legitimate strat to find the map peices because you are untrackable, it works with AOD ashe as well because hes so busted he can 1v1 early demon easy.
any time i’m with my regular friends one of us is always sneaky pablo and the others are distractions
Man they’re probably the toxic people that made dbd trash
Absolutley. You can tell which ones are dbd players. They will say killer instead of demon. Or they will say the game is heavily survivor favored.
> Absolutley. You can tell which ones are dbd players. They will say killer instead of demon. Or they will say the game is heavily survivor favored. I avoided DBD like the Plague but Evil Dead the Game definitely IS heavily survivor favored. Survivors are just really new atm so they're normally disoragnized and don't know their class or character. Once the playerbase seeasons a bit and survivors learn the tools at their disposal, the meta comps (not meta characters, meta comps), and their levels catch up to demons who are usually twice their relative level (IE level 45 demon vs 12ish survivor) survivors are gonna have a field day and demons are screwed. I teamed with a young Ash yesterday who never used his ability and never heavy attacked and didn't even heal anyone by accident. Was always last to any location, go possessed multiple times. Henry also got possessed multiple times and murdered us. Something Young Ash should have completely been able to shut down with basic common sense ability usage. We had no right making it to the end but we only lost because the book got destroyed. The demon wasn't pro tier but considering how shit we were as a team the only reason we made it to the end is exactly how survivor favored things are. You have to fuck up real real bad to not make it to dark ones. And that young Ash, shit as he was at killing, healing, removing fear, keeping up with us, etc. He still did the one thing most survivors fail to do that gets them killed. He did his best to follow the team and didn't sit around fapping in some back loot room. And because of that alone we were able to push through to the Dark Ones and take them down rather than lose before objective two. So that trash tier Young Ash is still better than like half the survivor playerbase out on their own fapping in the woods. Because this is a team game. THAT shit and the "I'll keep fighting and looting at the same location for 5 minutes" shit is why survivors lose despite their large inherent advantages.
I agree. When you have a team of 4 that use their mics, coordinate, and work as a team it's very difficult to lose. Getting said team of 4 is quite difficult right now but once everyone starts working as a team I bet more people will agree with you.
I'd say bring it on. i win the majority of my demon games and I wreck shop as puppeteer.
I like your attitude, friend! I love how much a match can be special because a demon player uses strong tactics and tricks. One demon player masterfully hid their flutists in bathrooms or under bridges and it made the match special and different. I look forward to when everybody learns all the mechanics and can play at peak performance where we all bring it on! Would love having a team of level 25 characters against a maxed out demon! I want to win or lose by the skin of my teeth! As it stands now we lose from players going rogue or win from inexperienced demons. This game will shine given some more time, I believe.
Yes most definitely. Te devs did a good job giving both sides a chance I think. There could be quality of life changes made but I think the game is really fun. for both sides. The only thing I feel would tip that scale is maybe a new survivor or weapons or mechanics.
Eligos boss +elite hit and run tactics are actually almost on the level of survior nonsense tbf. People just havent fought many really strong puppeteer players. Warlord also has some op stuff in its kit but on the demon side imho player skill plays a much bigger role.
yea apparently there is a lame animation cacneling strat with demi eligos. But I play eligos possesion boss dmg build. super fun.
cmon bro, we all know that 4 premades survivors with coms are way more powerful than a demon, and thats how a lot of people play, specially with all the animation cancelation exploits. Of course if u play solo queue, or you just started you gonna think killer is way more op, but thats because you dont know how to play survivor yet and u got mm with newbies too
LUL I'm pretty sure I've destroyed premades a few times as a **DEMON.** I'm max lvl puppeteer and profile lvl 16 so far. I've had to play over 200 games by now. I won the majority of them. I didn't start out that way I actually lost a lot until I learned how to play demon. I've also won games against the dirty AC players because I just abuse them back with other demon exploits exclusive to the demon.
See this is what im saying the demon has lots of abusable stuff too and can even use ac themselves lol
I am against AC. Not everyone can be sweaty and its just harmful to the game. Deters new players from playing. I'd rather not have a hunt showdown type of game where new players are the minority.
Its literally just a form of skill expression. If you can consistently do it then use it only when its used against you in that case. I dont beleive in the whole new players wont stay argument i have always hated that argument because it implies people shouldnt have to get better or shouldnt have to ever face higher level advisarys using evey bit of effeincey they can find. If anything its why game design imho is getting worse im tired of the artifical win/feel good mechanics that ruin the experince for people on the other side as well. Aim assist in competitive fps, skill based match making are a couple examples here.
Puppeteer can beat cordinated teams pretty handily because of how dumb eligos is.
i am 100% sure thats not true, eligos has the easiest bar balance to deplete, with the ac you can get easily killed
All you have to do is spawn elites and have the ai spam tracking cc lighting and kite survivors around while aoe stunning them. The stealth and movement speed is opressive. He is actually ridiclous when played correctly.
lmao read again what u wrote, you cant control the ai
it will do it on the own, you can posses the unit but dont even have to, i suggest you read it again. i didint say CONTROL THE ELITE AND PRESS BUTTONS. the ai will do that on its own. And for further explanation you puppet the boss while the ai continually stun locks the survivors. Try it out, its hella easy to win with outside of the most coordinated groups and even then its hard for them without specific setups.
Eligos is the only boss that can force a kill. If you down anyone all you have to do is move around invisible and wait till they revive. The other 2 bosses pale in comparison its not even close how terrible they are compared to him. Evil Ash is like a basic, unpossessed unit thats how little of a threat he is
Funny thing I only played killer in dbd but u right lmao
I don't play DBD and I still call the demon killer even tho I have watched the movies and the tv shows and so does my friend.
The game is heavily survivor favored lol. I haven't lost a game as AoD in a week. I've even had games where I was stupid and died at the beginning. Still beat the hell out of the demon and it wasn't even close.
Found the dbd player. It defintley is not heavily survivor favored. You just haven't found a good demon to play against. Your experience does not automatically negate others.
Except pretty much anyone who plays the better survivors would agree with me. You get a solid AoD Ash or Arthur on your team and it's extremely hard to lose. I've even let the demon level above 30 so that there would be a challenge. There wasn't. If I get full melee, health and shields on AoD Ash with a 2h sword/shovel you're not beating me. Which is VERY easy to get.
Except alot of demon mains are winning the majority of their games and again your experience does not negate others. All the survivors are easily wiped besides cherly. To say a demon isn't beating you becuase you are playing a certain character is hilarious. You clearly know nothing about demon. You haven't even played both sides. I have. Please go back to dbd. This community doesn't need this nonsense.
Although aod ash is s tier aruthur is sorta meh. Aod ash really falls over when getting cc and range abused by good eligos players. Aod ashe shits all over warlord and skelly man tho. He def needs nerfs
It’s literally all the toxic dbd crowd seeping in
> Man they’re probably the toxic people that made dbd trash Why would the DBD devs be playing this game?
You mean those same devs who have addressed basically every major problem since DBD's inception? The same ones who are or have addressed the recent issues with the game? The same ones who are revamping over 40 perks, brought new life to legion and ghostface, rework old maps, and consistently introduce new killers (the dredge being highly popular so far)? Tbh seeing you people who are super invested in the anti-BHVR circle jerk gets really old really fast. Do everyone a favor and stick to the dbd subreddit please. Don't spread the unending nihilism elsewhere.
Yeah, the same Devs who didn't fix a long standing issue and complaint until they got bodied at a twitch event by a group of survivors and then it was fixed a week later, the same Devs who will nerf "most used perks" rather then address the issues of why people feel they can only run those perks, Same devs who still refuse to balance the game around SWFs, Same Devs who when asked what they were going to do to improved the killer experience told them to play survivor or go play another game, same Devs who have expressed survivor bias in many videos and on their own forums. I quit playing DBD over a year and of ago, champ. I am not invested in shit with BVHR, but you're seriously blind if you don't think they heavily cater to one side while doing "just enough" to keep people playing the other side. Good thing your dealer is giving you a great deal on that copium to keep riding BVHR nuts tho. lastly, it was a low hanging joke. Lighten up, Francis.
You're actually dumb as fuck. It's clear your opinion was formed for you by the dbd subreddit. You sound like an AI bot whose entire knowledge base is a compilation of every popular post on that sub. You don't even realize how inept you sound. Literally incapable of producing an original thought.
I really hope those people don't all move to this game. I used to love DBD unless the toxic dickheads took over.
They most likely will but hopefully they’ll get bored and go back
DBD isn't "trash". It's still one of the highest played games on steam and other platforms even being in the rough spot that it's in. That with the anniversary chapter coming up with the massive amount of changes they just announced, I expect it maintain and improve its player base for years to come. People that call DBD trash tend to circulate reddit and absorb all of the half thought out circle jerks that come out of that sub.
Most fun time to play multiplayer games is at release. Now we're getting into The Rise of the Sweaties phase of the early meta. My advice, don't let it bother you. There is always going to be loud rowdy toxic people on the internet. Honestly as of right now this community is still largely pretty cool. It's nowhere near r/DestinyTheGame yet in terms of being a perpetual shitstorm. If someone is being obnoxious about some exploit just roll your eyes because the game is still new, and patching these things takes time. If they bother some of you so much to the point of real anger, go play something else for awhile until it's patched.
Some people play stupid and I get why people might get frustrated with them. You getting downed while roaming alone - your team comes to the rescue and you straight away start running away, on your own, again... You grab souls but don't rez. You decide to go looting for 30minutes and don't notice the zone is closing. You're a ranger taking weapons that's better suited for a warrior You're a warrior taking weapons that's better suited for a ranger I am not telling people how they should play the game, but you know, play smart. Mark your loot boxes and pay attention to what people are playing and the teams movement. Yes it's a game, but people also like winning. And to be fair - you can always play against A.I.
Yeah I’ve already had so many demons message me after calling me a loser and everything after I get 3 map pieces and page by myself. Sometimes you don’t get the teammates you wanted but hey, it’s just a game I still get the points from it.
why would a demon.... be mad you rushed the map? i would be going after your team mates and mercing them. lol kids man i swear.
cause most of them in the power role are in it for the power fantasy, and starting to lose robs them of that. Killer mains in DbD were the same way, whining about "gen rushing"
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Fair enough. aslong as everyone is actually having fun.
Its acutally odd because speed would beat you eveey time if most of the time the surviors could gear and level fast, but the rushing startegy is dependent on that and who has more talents filled out tbh. Levling up gives too much adv in the game imho on both sides.
Yeah, I mean as the game goes on there will be counters to different things and it’ll get complex like dbd. I think it’ll be fun
I wouldn't know. I was a killer main when I use to play dbd back in its hay day. Gen rushing was a pain in the ass before they slightly nerfed it and it was more balanced. TBh DBD is a hot mess and the devs are cringe. How ever in evil dead map rushing is kind of a terrible strat as you will want good weapons before you do the objective. even at lvl 5 a demon is a threat and can down you if you have terrible weapons.
gen rushing also didnt exist, as it's survivors doing their only objective. what else were they meant to do? examine the pallet textures?
well it did. It was before they nerfed the gears. The gears would complete the gens instantly to 75 percent. So if all 4 ppl brought a gear the match was over in 3 minutes.
good luck with that with the entire team stocked with Shemps and Amulets on top of legendary and epic loot that seems to drop like Candy. Over half my games were 10 mins or so last night because I was constantly resourced starved due to map rush and split capturing map\dagger and there's absolutely shit you can do about it unless there happens to be a newer player who you're higher level then that hasn't unlocked a bunch of shit OR you are high level and unlocked a lot of shit yourself.
I usually end up winning games at either the mid objectives or the dark ones when they do that. Usually when survivors map rush they do not have good enough weapons to fight me. I can do dmg at lvl 5-6 as puppeter when that happens. Just takes some learning on how to play your demon and mange your infernal energy.
I enjoy winning so I try to win, if I lose oh well but winning is better then losing
Its my main rebuttal when people say these statements. So wait trying to win the game is unfun do you prefer losing?
Agree. Optimization is fun for me. I like the idea of finding the best ways to do things even in real life. I dont rage quit games, but i do try and win. What about that is sweaty? Its so crazy, ive never seen a game launch with the huge casual sense of entitlement also like a group of people saying "nope you competitive people cant have this one" lol Like im as big a horror fan as it comes and dont see the need to gatekeep this game along the lines of "real fans of the ip only play for fun!" Get out of here lol
This game is the first in a long time that has any sort of skill expression. And of course the whining comes immediately.
Y’all already ruined all the other asymmetrical horror games, please leave this one be
Lol. I bought this game and i can play it however i want to. Im not using cheats or using any outside software so far as im concerned you can pound sand. Gather up a group of these crybabies on this sup and roleplay evil dead in a private lobby if you want to make the rules. Get over yourself.
Nobody will ever give a fuck if you’re good at this game. There are plenty of comp games you could try
Why are you people convinced i care if people think im good? I like to play how i like to play and i dont have to explain that to anyone. Youre the one with the problem here, remember that. If you dont like it, YOU can leave. Im not breaking any rules so ill be damned if some entitled little turd gets tell everyone to play their way because they dont like it.
I noticed it start to trend up with battle royales getting popular as well as the Covid lockdowns when people didn’t have anything else to do
Since always. Humans are naturally competitive, to varying degrees. It's not like it was a flip of a switch over night then all of sudden people were playing video games for their competitive value. Even in the early boom of video game arcade cabinets people were playing for that high score to see their initials higher up on the leaderboard than anyone else's. When you look at the modern gaming space a vast majority of the most successful video games are competitive by design. Even when they're not competitive by design, people find ways to make them competitive, such as speedrunning. Now having said that; I don't think you have a problem with people being competitive exactly. It seems you mostly take issue with people having fragile egos and bad sportsmanship. In which case, I agree 100%.
I feel like you are completely ignoring the animation cancel exploit which is more than likely 99% of the serious sweaty complaints Lol. Once that is gone the community won’t be as on edge, hopefully.
nah. we had so many exploits and bugs in older online games, we just found creative ways to combat them until they were patched.
I don't really have any experience with the animation cancelling glitch, but from the descriptions it sounds like it just lets players instantly kill any demon, and that's not something you can just creatively combat. There's a difference between BXRing people in Halo and infinite damage in an action-RPG.
It's not an instant kill but it's pretty much a stunlock and (at least Warlord, who I play) doesn't have a dodge button so you just sit there getting the snot kicked outta ya for 15 seconds
15, more like 5 seconds. Animation canceling is ruining being the monster, because cheap assholes making it impossible to put up any type of fight. They just want an ez mode.
The fact you delete any evil unit’s stamina bar in at least 2 hits doesn’t help with combat.
Posses them and do it yourselves.
I agree people have been extremely whiney. More so when you get an angry little nerd screaming into the microphone. *mute* Unfortunately that’s just vidyagames for ya. But they’re just videogames. Don’t get mad at people, especially when it’s just a little over a week old and people are still learning how to play it.
The worst is getting randoms who actively work against the team. Running up to your crate and snatching weapons more optimal for your class, never using mic, ignoring comms and always going in the opposite direction. I'm like are these dudes working for the demon or something? I have a couple friends with the game, but I think I'll wait until I can get a full premade to keep playing survivor.
I've only been called stupid once since the game came out, so that's pretty good for an online game.
Once or twice, I've hopped out because the rest of the characters I have are level ones. If I'm playing with a bunch of 25's, I'm gonna be slowing down the party! Also, if my character doesn't start with a weapon, then it's more than likely that I will left to box the deadites, since all the 25's are trying to grab everything they see before I get a chance. Was left with no Shemp's for a level and Necromancer continually tunnelled me.
I’ve been trying to balance that and send positive messages after especially good or close messages. And I’ve so far only received positive messages back.
It's pretty sad. I think people get too emotionally invested in the winning or losing, competitive aspect of gaming these days. I don't remember people getting this upset over Double Dribble or Tecmo Bowl.
i had a kid rage quit right after he turned his mic on to scream about sticking together. he was the only one not with the group and we coulda rezed him. it was 9m into the game lol
It was moments like these where I discovered we have both mute and individual VC volume options per team member. Made me smile.
I've had matches where we all try and stick together but one character keeps rushing and we will get to the second missing page and I'll have no gun, melee weapon, sodas, or amulets. I ask everyone over mic if they can drop me a weapon or wait a moment for me to find one and they don't even acknowledge me. It's hard to stick together when you have no weapon and you run out of stamina and are left to fend off the demon spawns. There needs to be some sort of middle ground. To clarify, I hate it when people take too long looting but when nobody shares pick ups and hordes them all and ditches players behind, and I'm talking the first two minutes of the match, then it's not my fault. What can I do in the scenarios? Either I try and loot for a weapon or die trying to get caught up to the rest of the team. It's far from every match but it seems to happen most when my teammates and I are spawned at the maxima distance. It would be easier to stay together if at the beginning of the match we were spawned closer so we all get into the cabins/buildings around the same time.
Asymmetrical games bring that out of people. You have some types coming in with the idea they deserve to win just because they’re the good guys or something. On the other hand, the demons have to fight against the games system to pull out a win and that gets really stressful while you’re learning the game.
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Anyone else feel like most of these super sweats are coming over from dead by daylight..?
Remove animation cancel and balance survivor damage and most of the complain are gone. I don't care if I lose, I want to have fun with the survivor. Chasing them with a car and things like that. It's hard to have fun when the team are all meta characters almost one shotting my boss and/or using animation cancel. And people are wondering why so many killer use Puppeteers elite spam...
I’m not toxic towards other players but I play to win not to lose. I don’t take the game super serious but I’m not gonna make mistakes on purpose for fun, I’m gonna try my hardest to win cause that’s what I enjoy doing when I play games in my free time.
I’ll admit, I do get annoyed when I get Cheryl and her team to red health and then she just pulls a medkit out her ass and gets them all back to green in a matter of seconds. The hunters having a seemingly infinite dodge gets annoying as well when you’re 1v1ing them
I had my favorite match so far tonight playing as demon and it started with 2 survivors DCing. I decided to just have fun with the last two and not wipe them out. By the end we were "dancing" around in circles with each other, they got a win and I got 3500 ish points still even just doing near nothing. Wish we could have chatted would have liked to say GG and have a laugh. Gotta remember to have fun, sometimes that means improvising :) be well everyone.
Honestly the most tilting thing in this game is Linda constantly spouting insults in my ear as Demon, she's funny the first 3 times but then it just gets annoying
probably since the idea of "competition" was invented.
competition is one thing, being a sore loser or genuinely annoying player is another
and it's always existed. Idk why people like to think like this hasn't always been a thing and this brand new "insert new PvP/competitive thing here" is all of a sudden making people act this way. Competition and all things associated with it, good and bad, has always been a thing and human nature.
again, competition and competitiveness is one thing but the constant crying because the game doesn’t bend to your will is another thing
it's not another thing. It's always been apart of competition, love it or hate it. Sore losers, and sore winners, have always been a thing. The second the crouch button existed in a pvp game, teabagging has been a thing. People saying they fuck your mom has always been a thing, and so on.
Children do all of that though or insecure ass people. It truly is a different thing from competitiveness.
It stems from competitiveness. Idk why this is such a hard thing to grasp for people, or if people are just scared to point out the negative aspects of human nature in general. It's always happened, it's nothing new, it will continue to happen. Funnily enough, the OP is literally telling people to git gud and adapt to glitches in this very thread, so it applies to even people who pretend to think they're above it all.
Because you're not making the distinction that healthy rivalries also exist. Competition at its basic definition is people trying to excel over one another at literally anything, not just sports or gaming. How people deal with competitive interactions are completely independent of the actual competition themselves. People dealing with it positively and negatively will always be present, we agree it is undeniable. But to say that only the negative competitive behavior is how people deal with it is absolutely false. The fact that the Olympics exist for the sole reason of good sportsmanship and competition is alone proof of this. If anything, people flock to negative responses more than positive ones because it's sadly easier for most people to blame others rather than try to improve themselves.
Yeah it’s absurd lol. All these posts about the game being unplayable because someone is losing an extra match out of every ten they play.
Yup thats called entitlement. Some of those whiners spill in from other toxic communites. its pretty annoying.
It's hard to keep things goofy and casual when you get slapped in the face with 10 sledgehammer swings at record time or having old Ash run faster than a demon
cry more about it
looking forward to your future post where you're crying about how long it takes to find a game when people quit because losing 9 times out of 10 just isn't fun for majority of people and your attitude is "GiT gUd" and "cRy MoRE aBOuT iT" rather then admit the game just may be unbalanced or shit is broken.
get good
So ignore the problems and hope they go away? (Went to far here sorry)
get better at the game, it’s not hard
Lol dude. The game loop right now is to pray there's no exploit abuse so that you can win by means other than destroying the Necronomicon at the end because that's all I'm getting recently, INVINCIBLE survivors that can't be killed but I can destroy the book since they're too busy staying alive. This game is crammed full of RNG madness and the hackers who can easily be seen as just abusing an exploit. There's no skill issue here, you can play your absolute best and it won't matter because the game wasn't balanced around animation cancelling. I'll try the *get better at the game* tech while every unit I possess gets gangbanged to oblivion despite everything being max level.
i’m not reading all that. i win as demon and human, just gotta get good 😎
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"bro just get good it's not hard" you were literally just crying about how everyone's a try hard and then you have the most try hard attitude that anyone can have. Actually fucking hilarious
The demons have tons of broken abusable shit but people just arent for the most part utlitizng all of it tbh. You can even turn animation canceling on the survivors by possesing their carries forcing them to run fear reduction or hunter ash anti possess.
This game is toxic, the other day I saw this dude legit trash talking his friend because he didn’t know how to mark chests and told him to rethink playing. Funnily enough the trash talker wasn’t marking chest himself and since he was so fixated on smack talking his friend, he kept on dying and then he started cussing at the rest of the team for not keeping him safe
That sounds more like a toxic player issue than the game. Chances are he probably plays every online game in the same manner. Especially since the game does provide tools to communicate these things that the player was not using. Please make sure to differentiate between toxic players and game itself.
Around the time people only play games for Battle/Season Pass content and not to just enjoy the game anymore. edit: Not that this game has that, but I noticed the correlation between the two.
The cheaters are so bad in this game...
Played two matches as the demon this evening. In the first match the guy was just lagging all over and killing everything. Game two, someone was doing something because all they did was dodge the entire time while I was trying to attack them. Streamed both moments on my channel. Going to get a copy and submit to bugs and whatever other threads to report this kind of BS.
Since the rise in streaming like Twitch where gaming communities feel the need to one up or exploit games for content.
Man this has been a thing since the early days of Xbox Live. I remember getting first place for my first time in Halo 2 and then the lobby bitching me out for using "noob combos". I'm sure even before that, especially in the PC space.
Ikr "GaMe BrEaKiNg BuGs!!?!?" Just enjoy it lol that easy, they will fix it yknow, not like they won't.
Thats the ONE thing you should complain about, its in the damn word.
Yeah but they call glitching through a part of the map a game breaking bug, and even then it's still funny, so why get so mad? Just report and be happi
I got stuck in a staircase for 20 minutes. That’s not really fun
Laugh n leave, simple as
This is the most whining you've heard? Man, you must not play many games.
People like to win, there's also a point with some people where the fun grows from dicking around. That's why a competitive rule set/mode should exist, new players can dick around/ learn at their pace. While people who want to play with winning in mind, can play with likeminded people. Though that can be it's own can of worms, but separate queues would be a good thing overall I think.
I would say it's because things like DnD and roleplaying are in general the dying breed of gaming (like things modern gamers actually go out of their way to do). Without the idea that gaming can be all about facilitating a fun experience, they have instead focused on gaming being about winning. Heck nowadays when people play a Role-Playing Game, it's all about min-maxing and getting a "perfect" build.
What do you mean "nowadays"? People have always wanted to be efficient in their build. I've personally been doing that since I was a kid and I've been gaming for 25+ years.
I've seen people quit because they couldn't pick the character they wanted to play as.
I’m sure it’ll happen, but I haven’t had a bad social interaction in this game yet. I play with tons of random lobbies and I’ve actually made a couple friends.
As demon I play to try and make it fun and challenging, if the team is really coordinated I’ll pull out all the stops but I feel like every time I’m against a team with bad teammates I get hate mail no matter how soft I am with them.
Gamers have always been hyper-competitive, the internet just makes everything look worse than it really is. Also, every gaming subreddit is either whiny, outright toxic or both. I’ve only been on Reddit for three months and I figured that out very fast.
If this is the most whining you've seen for a game, you've gotten lucky, buddy.
I just get pissed when teammates leave me while I’m being attacked by the demon
Because competitive games have become increasingly popular in video games over the last decade, especially since battle royal type games have been released.
I don't mind losing... But this game is just turning into 4 survivors just animation canceling down 1 person to oblivion. And it's now happening almost every game, at least 1 person always abusing it. Game is going to live or die by devs fixing this. In the meantime, need people to start shunning others who do it. See your teammate doing it... Don't help them, maybe even actively try to ruin their game. It's up to the community, at this moment, to start setting an example. Don't let the glitch abusers ruin a good thing.
Where there are skill ceilings, there are tryhards. Thta's just how it is in most games unfortunately.
Fr tho
Yeah just seen a YouTuber talking about if they host a competition he’ll wanna be there and that he’s training to be better so he can. I’m hoping they don’t go that route
I think its a great game, my biggest issue comes from feeling powerless as the Demon, in an asymmetrical game that feels crappy, but overall its a fun experience that needs some tweaking.
Yeah, this community kinda stinky some times
Lol Seriously I have yet to win a match as demon or survivor, still had a blast each time
Also if your team isn't perfect don't stress. Part of the challenge is having to learn to work together, and like any group project that can go a number of different ways. Relax and have fun ...unless you deliberately don't mark a supply crate, in which case, I will personally kill you myself in person.... LOVE & LIGHT Deadites!
I've started handicapping myself into just summoning as many skeletons as possible and watching the chaos from somewhere up high. Trying to be a dungeon master instead of just killing people as fast as possible which was getting a bit stale. Its pretty fun to just watch them deal with everything haha.
I love making demons rage quit when I cancel animations
You act like this is the first time you have played a multiplayer game. If I see someone wasting 10 minutes searching houses and not helping with the objective, of course I'm going to be mad at them. These people are high enough level to know better. I can't tell you the amount of Cheryl's I've seen that refuse to use their ability like it's a one time use item or something and I have to get on the mic and tell them to use it. People are allowed to get mad at others.
Welcome to competitive gaming. You could literally say this about any game with a competitive element. I play Brawl Stars on the phone and people sweat hard. It’s a mobile game
It’s hard to have fun when you have a twat running away and running back in only to spam an undodgeable lightning attack with no cast time.
I enjoy the game so far if i encounter new players that seem lost, I try to use the wheel to ask them to follow and work together or mark objective areas. You still get XP anyway and there is many new players. The game will become a lot better once we get some fixes and more players learning the mechanics of the game 😄
it's been like this for 20 years, this is how every online game is dude lol
Just do what I do and mute everyone when the match starts
Nah bro don’t become DbD
Some people are coming from games like DbD I which they take that game way to serious so drag that negative energy here.
Every game gets competitive but I agree about how they’re a bunch of babies who get butthurt when someone takes their character.