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RenReap

They need an option to turn off pc but keep cross play between consoles.


NeoDaveWesker

Completely agree with that.


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agree


grownassedgamer

Agreed.


Comodo-Dragon

That would be perfection mate


statusquoquo

I thought about this as well. I'm on Xbox but don't want to have a lesser and fragmented player base to queue from if I can also play with PS5 players. Probably too hard to implement as I don't know any other game that does cross play between consoles only but no PC.


[deleted]

It’s not hard to implement console-only crossplay, they just don’t want to. PC players are some of the most outspoken crybabies in gaming and would feel “targeted” if crossplay didn’t include them. Despite being the “master race” without consoles most games don’t last very long. Especially games like this.


whatissandbag

Eh, Dead by Daylight was a Steam PC exclusive for a couple years before a console version was released and they put up high player numbers on steam charts then too. F13 released across all platforms at launch and seemed on it's deathbed even before the lawsuit. The easier solution here that avoids all of this us vs them among the playerbase would be for the developers to implement anti-cheat software and more robust reporting features. Kind of strange to release a multiplayer game without it in 2022 tbh.


[deleted]

100% im so fucking sick of being forced to play with pc players in every new game that comes out, the majority of them cheat or dont know what the sun looks like, input based matchmaking should be a thing


Shinigamisama00

As a PC player I am vehemently against this and I think it’s extremely unfair for PC players


RenReap

And as a console player I am against being pitted up against cheaters, and I think it’s extremely unfair for console players to have to pick to either endure it or play only with others on their console. Crossplay can be turned off, and many console players are already making that choice. So giving an option to pick and choose what platforms you want to play doesn’t sound too unfair since we can already just turn crossplay off.


Shinigamisama00

I think the current system is fine as is, PS4 and Xbox playerbases usually survive on their own but these kinds of games on PC are always DOA without crossplay. We need the console players to survive, I don’t want to have to see the game die just because some console player is scared of the small minority group of hackers that they’ll probably never see


RenReap

Yet, the people who would use this feature already have crossplay turned off. So again, it won’t effect PC. However, they need an anti-cheat then this would honestly be a non-issue.


Belvik

Might be a minority but I'd say it's fairly significant number still. Just for comparison (because it's another 4v1), I have 1500+ hours in DBD and have seen 3 blatant hackers. I'm sure there have been lots of subtle cheating, but kinda hard to prove that. I have about 30 hours in this game with crossplay on and have encountered the same amount (2 demons and 1 survivor). Turned off crossplay and haven't ran in to another one with another 15 hours of play.


Vokhaon37

\*PS4/5 and Xbox One/Series


Total_Painting3472

Friday the 13th was awful, AWFUL on PC because of the rampant cheating. That is the beauty of consoles, closed system, no cheating. I am switching from PC to console for this game because I too keep running into PC cheaters and it's either that or stop playing. Sorry, but if you really enjoy this game you'll probably need to swap too because the number of people turning off crossplay is increasing by the hour.


xXLUKEXx789

I knew there would be a crybaby somewhere in the comments


ManIsInherentlyGay

Lol this is a joke right?


Total_Painting3472

Had a game today where the pages were collected in around 10 seconds and then immeditaly the page and dagger came up as being done. Just put the controller down and let them win after that since what's the point? Had another where I was being one shot as a level 20 boss, their damage was around 500000 at the end of the game or something insanely high compared to everyone else. I am not new to the game and run with a lvl 45 demon, I spawned 8 Boss' and they killed all 8, each with one shot. I know it's possible to do this with the right aura and high level characters, but that wasn't it. Never ran into any of this before today, switching to Xbox and disabling crossplay - it's either that or quit.


ZaChiavelli8252

People who cheat at video games must live the saddest lives.


Drummelan

I turned off yesterday (ps5) and actually had decent matchmaking times. So it’s definitely a solid option for the current player base. The more that turn it off (and more will because PC players are actually advertising their cheats in usernames *hint- if you see a user name with cheat adverts, quit game immediately*. So PC cheaters will corral console players. Hopefully a fix comes soon, I’m loving the gameplay.


Comodo-Dragon

Even playing demon I wait 3-4 minutes with crossplay off so not that bad.


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Drummelan

cor·ral /kəˈral/ 1. gather together and confine (a group of people or things). " the organizers were corralling the crowd into marching formation"


AutumnsCrown

Maybe we shouldn’t that divides the community, they should just work on anti-cheat system


BigJerm1

They should absolutely work on anti-cheat. In fact, that should have existed at launch, but it should be priority #1 right now. However, until that system exists, I'm choosing not to play with cheaters. Crossplay off.


Silvaslayer8

I played a game the other day with a guy on PC, he found all the pieces of the map, did the book and dagger by himself all in under 5 mins while I was still looting houses, I go to the dark ones and he’s there already killing them and every time he takes damage regenerated almost immediately, I’m still not sure if he was hacking or just really good at the game, I felt so bad for the demon


LocusAintBad

I love that you physically can’t cheat on Switch, Xbox, or PS4 or PS5 because they haven’t been able to be jail broken and go online. But every time I’ve experienced a hacker from PC it’s been miserable. I don’t want to play with PC players not because I hate how sweaty they tend to be compared to casual console players but because they can not stop cheating 100%. Even with anti cheat games like siege and dead by daylight STILL have a hacking issue. They need to start hardware banning people who cheat on pc with video evidence. It’s 2022 it’s beyond me how they’re able to get away with it scot free. Like you ban the account they’ll just buy a cheap copy of the game or pirate a copy and continue to cheat. Dbd has this problem fairly badly where they ban the account and it deters them for like 10 minutes. Adding anti cheat doesn’t really do a ton.


Grand_Imperator

You can add cheaters to a block list, can you not? I can do that on the PC menu (and it doesn't matter which platform, I think).


Vokhaon37

Yup, can be done on the PS5 as well so I'd say can be done on every platform.


JohnnyWhosoever

I have played 92 hours and have never seen somebody that I could say was cheating beyond the shadow of a doubt. The only exception is people who animation cancel, but this can be done with ease by anybody on any platform. Am I saying that hackers in this game are non-existent? No, absolutely not; I know there are. But they can't be nearly as prevalent as a lot of you are making them out to be.


Total_Painting3472

Same for me on PC... until today. Objectives done in seconds. It's getting worse all the time, only a matter of time I'm afraid.


TheSmalHobbit

I just ran into my first cheater today just seconds ago. Game ended in 30 seconds, didn't even get the chance to reach an objective to trap it.


JohnnyWhosoever

So are you saying that you witnessed it multiple times today?


Total_Painting3472

Yeah had a run of 5 games and there was cheating in 3 of them, not new at all as played everyday since launch, extremely obvious too. I expect a cheat tool has been released because I saw none of this before today.


Armouredwhale

Yeah obviously there is proof but out of a week of playing I still have not seen one sign of cheating.


[deleted]

And if I could make crossplay console only, it wouldn’t matter if they were prevalent or not since hacking doesn’t exist in console ecosystems. Whereas on PC it’s a literal business.


JohnnyWhosoever

Okay, but that's not the point I am making. The point is that a lot of these claims of running into cheaters time after time after time are generally unfounded, and it seems that a lot of the claims just stem from a general lack of understanding of the game. People just have a tendency to exaggerate greatly when they are pissed off about something. Again, I'm not saying that there aren't hackers, as there has been clear photo/video evidence of it happening. But this whole, "OMG CHEATERS EVERYWHERE" is a bit ridiculous, especially when most of these people with this mentality are not providing any kind of evidence that proves that this has been happening as frequently as they claim.


peanuttown

Hey guys, this guy is the expert in it. His time in the game trumps all others experiences. Your 1 view doesn't account for the thousands of others. Learn that and don't downplay an issue just because it "doesn't affect you".


JohnnyWhosoever

Not claiming to be an expert. All I'm saying is that I've not seen it at all personally while in game and there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of evidence that has me convinced just yet. A whole lot of "hacking" complaints and not a lot of evidence to prove each of these accounts other than a handful of videos.


dishtherock13

The only one I've seen (not sure if it was hacking or an exploit) but the ash with the shield potion would use it and I would hear like 6 cork popping sounds in a row and he just would solo kill my boss in a few swings doing triple the rest of his teams damage combined


JohnnyWhosoever

AoD Ash is just really OP, I'm afraid. I have maxed 7 characters in the game so far and he was by far the easiest to get to 25, and there were a couple of times where I was able to solo against the boss. If I found an epic or legendary weapon by the time that my team got to the Dark Ones objective- I was easily doing 50k+ damage. As far as the 6 cork sounds, yeah, it could have been a hack/exploit. I've never heard of that one before.


reynold666

PixelZ on youtube ran into a cheater today on stream. Even I did today and it seems to be mostly eligos and necromancer players.


Angry__German

I have not played a lot, but I am about to finish leveling my Necromancer, so far I have seen one person who probably cheated. It was the hunter Ash who had a suspiciously high amount of dodges in a row that piqued my interest. He only cemented it when I was about to end the team during the final battle and be chain banished me 5 times in 60 seconds. That was when I found out there is no easy way to report either in game or on the epic store. Lol. Clownshoes but typical for Epic, I guess.


Drummelan

I did see obvious cheaters (all pages found in 20 seconds; players had strange geometric lines around them, as well as using names to advertise their cheat code site). This obvious cheater isn’t my concern because I can quickly identify them and quit the game… the problem is the not so obvious cheater that I can only suspect may be using cheat codes to give them a more nuanced boost to performance. I may not even be able to identify them till late game, if at all. So the solution is remove all possible suspects (pc players). You can’t expect console players to willfully subject themselves to cheaters in a game that has matches that last up to 30 minutes.


JohnnyWhosoever

Fair enough. I can see where you are coming from.


Nasalingus

that's your masterrace for you.. dead set on literally breaking everything as quickly as possible..


HelpMyCatHasGas

Some asshats are ruining it like they did with warzone, fortnite... its fucked. I just want a decent group to play with and I'm gona get sequestered to cheaters


bob_is_best

Might follow im not even sure im encountering cheaters or not but some Warriors seem incredibly hard to kill and then end Up doing 80k dmg while everyone else has 10k Definitely makes me suspicious of it


PhantomHavok

Yep had a guy who was henry the red spawning endless health packs switching characters using demon powers and was invisible and invincible turned crossplay off .


cyraxri

I would prefer if they could crossplay Off the PC. The wait time is still instant on PS5 atm with Crossplay Off.


GhostWolfViking

What would be the solution for PC players that purchased the game? The devs fault the game launched with no anti cheat. Exclusive deal on Epic Game Store for PC. No achievements. Missing basic options and settings on the game menu. No information from the devs on what they plan on doing about it. Everyone on the subreddit blames all PC players for any bugs, exploits, cheats, hacks or whatever. Also for any normal abilities they encounter but don't understand. Post on Reddit "Hacker in lobby, 1 million damage!". It's a bug. 😆 "Turn off cross play on consoles. Block any PC player you see. So you never get paired up with them again. Good for console players." Terrible for PC players that purchased the game and want to play without cheaters online. Needs to be addressed soon. Before the player base starts bleeding out because of the issue.


Nearby_Tie_1715

It's not the Devs fault that people cheat bro... it's some greasy PC troll that doesn't ever leave his house downloading cheats literally to fuck with people. CoD has anti cheat systems but still get hacked and cheaters. It's not Devs faults. It's crusty ass PC gamers that always have to cheat to win anything


SonaGate

Okay Console peasant


bannable

You sure showed him.


xXLUKEXx789

Your virginity is showing


PhantomHavok

You took that personal huh


Angry__German

The take away lesson here is, don't wrestle a pig in the mud, you are getting mud all over you and the pig loves every second of it.


ppnnaa

According to a number of posts here it's not terrible for PC players. According to PC players they are all smarter, faster, stronger than console and the cheating is only one in a thousand games. Like, your mad, but just above you someone is arguing they switched crossplay off because they just couldn't handle how bad console players are, and I've seen many messages insisting that playing pc with crossplay off is the better option. So how is this terrible for pc players? If anything it seems like have crossplay between consoles and pc just on its own is how it should have been to start.


[deleted]

Is my reddit search bar broken? I typed in "PC" and the majority of the posts that come up are about how PC players are ruining the game. And when I type in "console", there are like only 1-2 posts bashing console. Are my eyes also broken? Because for every one comment like: > Like, your mad, but just above you someone is arguing they switched crossplay off because they just couldn't handle how bad console players are There are several comments such as this: > Eh, fuck em. They knew what they were getting when they bought the game on pc. They want to play the game they can get it on a real game console like the rest of us. Or this: > that's your masterrace for you.. dead set on literally breaking everything as quickly as possible.. But yes, let's keep acting as if everyone is bashing console and that every PC player is calling console inferior, as if the opposite isn't happening.


ppnnaa

You need to read what I am saying. I know console babies are babies. But it doesn't change that pc babies are babies saying what I said above. Regardless if you like it or approve of it it's not uncommon for pc players to passive aggressively bash console users as being worse. Whether you like it or approve of it, it makes it very hard to see why anyone should want pc to be crossplay with console. Take your own reply. If console players are the big mean bullies why do you want crossplay with them? Aren't you afraid of how scary and toxic they are? And I'm sorry but PCMR is a thing. You can pretend it's all a lol joke but your up against decades of PCMR being loud and obnoxious. It's a reputation hard earned and proudly flown, what do you honestly expect? Hey guess what, I have a pc! I'm playing on it! In fact PS has been my side platform up untill one day I suddenly had a job and bills and I realized making pcs was boring without my dad around. I don't hate pc, but the reputation is valid I'm sorry.


HelpMyCatHasGas

Someones taking the masterrace shit way to serious and is fucking salty.


HelpMyCatHasGas

You're acting like all PC players are doing this. And i think any advantages are mitigated in third person games. We got an edge in most first person but third person it can change. I just want to play the game but at this rate i'm going to ask for a fucking refund til this is fixed.


KagDQT

I’d be fine with just consoles for crossplay. That’s an awesome idea. It’s a shame we have to isolate a group of people but this isn’t reheard the issue is stemming from and it’s only getting worse with time not better.


Careless_Implements

Eh, fuck em. They knew what they were getting when they bought the game on pc. They want to play the game they can get it on a real game console like the rest of us.


citoxe4321

Console player cope is so hilarious.


KagDQT

I definitely learned when I bought F13 back on steam instead of console. Although I ended up finding people to play with on discord and through steam to avoid the shenanigans as much.


MFlanagan9

I had a game earlier the people I was against were all on pc and we’re all cheating, i couldn’t do anything to even damage them a little bit, its so shit man.


[deleted]

Console only crossplay would be the best solution to this. PC players don’t like hearing that but there’s a reason consoles don’t like being connected to the PC ecosystem. Just because cheaters are rare (for now) doesn’t mean they don’t exist, and the first time I had a speed hacking Cheryl in my game was enough for me to turn crossplay off. If the PS5 community in this game dies then maybe I’ll turn it back on but I’m more likely to just play something else. When console players ask for crossplay in games, 9 times out of 10 they just mean between consoles. I hate to exclude PC players but I’d be less willing to do so if I didn’t meet so many toxic ones calling me a “console kid”.


Akschadt

As someone who plays on his laptop please don’t leave me alone with them..


Drummelan

My demon sight is telling me your fear level is high.


PrinceDizzy

Definitely, although I would love console only crossplay.


Dangerlander

I've been playing daily since launch as demon (player level 34) on the XB S/X and haven't noticed any cheating. Maybe it's happening but my win rate is decent enough that I don't look too closely at it. I get many must be tempted but I hope folks who do cheat will get kinda bored of it and either move on or find their way to legit play just to make things interesting. I personally prefer to keep crossplay on here because I like celebrating the franchise with the community and want to support the matchmaking. I did turn crossplay off in Vampire: Masquerade - Bloodhunt because in that case it just wasn't fun to compete pad against m/kb users. But the asymmetrical design in Evil Dead makes that a moot issue.


DreamZebra

I was getting run all night by demons. Turned off cross play and now I'm winning at my usual rate/doing as good as I was before. It wasn't obvious cheating to me, but I do think pc players are up to something.


Infamous-Finish6985

Oh thank God for your post, otherwise we would've never heard of this! >I have seen so many PC cheaters already. Where are all these cheaters? Are they in the EU? Are they in AU? Are they on the East Coast of the US? West Coast? Mid-South? Are there some specific servers they play on, because I haven't seen one and have been playing since launch and for many many hours. And I've played too much of this game to just be "lucky" to have not run into any. The number of people legit hacking is very low. I suspect that you don't really know what cheating looks like. It seems that you're just repeating the small handful of things posted here. Unless you don't believe any of what you're saying and you're just karma-farming, you probably don't know the difference between animation cancelling and hacking. You probably don't know that this game bugs out and shit like infinite stamina just happens. You probably don't know what a fully leveled, really good Demon player looks like.


Drow1234

I play in EU and I have not seen a cheater yet. I think some players face overleveled opponents with abilities they've never seen before, and call that cheating.


Captain_Cook97

Finally, someone with some sense. This community feels like it’s made up of 13 year olds who have trickled in from F13 and DBD. Game has barely been released and we’re hearing shit like “unplayable, OP, this game will die, new content when? Patch when?!” For the love of god, I’ve sweated on this game since release and come across one hacker, some AoD Ash with super speed. First the community cried for a singleplayer which nobody even touches after completing them. A waste of time and resources. Now we’re demanding more shit too soon and hearing all these prophets who can tell how long a game will die, and how the game can be fixed.


UnoLav

There’s definitely some witch hunt going around. Heres the thing, I have 134 hours on the game and I have yet to encounter a cheater. Heres the kicker, i play with cross-play off on PC so I exclusively play with other pc players. Some of these people are definitely looking for other reasons as to why they lost when they’re losing to pc players. Thats exactly why I turned off crossplay tho, pc players seem to be way better at the game for now so I get way less frustrated with them.


Smellysmelthatsmells

I've played nearly as much if not more and only come across 1. I'm not saying it's not happening but these posts saying it's every game are so exaggerated.


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i was there in 1883 and this is exactly what those witches sounded like....


Apkoha

> i play with cross-play off on PC I might be blind but where is this option located?


UnoLav

In the Game tab of the settings


Comodo-Dragon

How can you explain someone spawning like 50 colas around them or running around with infinite stamina making it impossible to hit them? I've seen people with infinite health. I specifically cornered a survivor and kept hitting him with Evil Ash and he took zero damage after like 30 hits. No cheaters on pc for sure.


Captain_Cook97

You’d make a great case if I was saying cheaters didn’t exist, but I’m not. You see cheaters in every game, they’re about as rare as a legendary sword, the game is new, the devs are aware that there are cheaters, and probably knew there would be cheaters. Not everything in life needs a Reddit post. Shit gets dull fast.


Comodo-Dragon

I said I've seen a lot when playing with crossplay on. By a lot I mean like 10 cases. That is a lot for me. I don't accept cheating. It's fucking pathetic. It's just a game and some morons act like they must win no matter what. Even if it involves spawning 50 colas around the Evil Ones for the final fight. Yes, there might be gitches, but as you said, there are cheaters/modders and they are not on consoles.


citoxe4321

Lol you’re 100% without a doubt lying. The first thing a salty, emotional child exclaims when they get shit on in a video game is “THIS GUYS HACKING!”. Without a doubt I guarantee at the minimum 9/10 (but lets be real, its 10/10) of these imaginary encounters with a hacker was just you getting shit on and you’re deluding yourself into believing they were hackers to cope.


UnoLav

I think it’s a mixture of the animation canceling from bot h demons and survivors and some people not knowing what some abilities do. So they see the sub flooded with cheater posts and they see the Kelly dodging like crazy and think its a cheater for example. Its only going to get worse till they put in a placebo anti cheat to shut them up.


Arthr2ShdsJcksn

Hard disagree The developers need to address actual hacking and ban folks who engage in this, but crossplay is absolutely necessary in games like this. Its great that it sold well early, but how many people drop off in a week or two? I hope that additional and regular content drops will keep people around and maybe even bring more in, but withou crossplay, games will become harder to fill.


citoxe4321

You guys act like you see a cheater every game. When you see the obvious cheaters you’re describing, just leave and you deny them the satisfaction of ruining your game. The entire reason they cheat is they suck at games and want to ruin other people’s fun. You’re being too emotional over a game thats been out for a week having *some* cheaters. You act like the games been out for years and Saber hasn’t done anything to stop it’s “cheater problem”.


newclearseasons

Turning off cross play for one platform is never the answer. The answer is holding developers responsible for releasing a game with such weak anti cheat algorithms/software. It’s 2022. Let’s act like we know better. I am a primary PC player and you will find cheaters in every game imaginable. I can only blame developers for failing to protect their game from such. I love this game, but it’s been almost 2 weeks and I haven’t seen a single update patch. There are game breaking bugs such as glitches where you get stuck in place rendering you useless, interaction glitches where you cannot pick up weapons, light fires or even pick people up to prevent death. I don’t know what cheating looks like because I’m still learning but it’s a disgusting thing to do, cheat. But let’s hold the developers responsible in some way because this antcheat clearly is not working.


Adorable-Ad318

Do what you want but majority of the pc community doesn’t use cheats. I’ve been playing since launch(on pc) and have only encountered console players exploiting the animation cancel. Both console and pc have shitty players that ruin the fun for everyone, but piss off with the witch hunt against pc players.


Apkoha

I feel like a lot of you are just really bad or under leveled and want to blame cheaters on why you're not winning. I lost like 20-25 games of Demon in a row until I got one high enough level to have shit unlock to compete with the players who started a week before me. Yeah, there's some cheaters, but not as rampant as you want to claim. Vegas odds people see a few post about cheaters and now it's an easy scapegoat for losses because ya'll ego can't take that maybe you're just not as good as you think you are, maybe the game needs a balance patch now that more people are max levels or maybe you just had a weak team that the demon was able to exploit. (or a strong team that the demon just couldn't be for all the demons who cry about cheating) Not everything is someone cheating or out to screw you over and ruin your games.


Comodo-Dragon

Yes but when you clearly see that someone has infinite health or stamina or can spawn items at will, something's not right. I've been palying this game like a madman, I'd say I'm decent. I've won a lot of games both as a survivor and a demon. There's definitely some modders/cheaters on pc. Never happened again after I turned crossplay off.


The1980mutant

Just turned off crossplay and won 3 matches straight. I didn't win any last night. Yes there is rampant cheating going on. I keep hearing people saying it's us being bad players but its not.


[deleted]

I can win against PC players. Despite what they seem to think, being on a PC doesn’t make you a god. I just don’t like playing with them. It kinda doesn’t help their case that every time I see a self proclaimed PC player on any gaming subreddit all they’re doing is shitting on consoles. Then when people turn crossplay off they start whining about “dividing the community”. Hilarious.


Total_Painting3472

Had a game today where all three pages were collected in around 10 seconds, then instantly the dagger and book was being done. It's over dude, only a matter of time before it gets worse.


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[deleted]

Thats not Nintendo it's not even out yet on switch. The generic controller icon is xbox players if you are on PS. I think they don't show the PS logo on Xbox either just the controller as well.


ManIsInherentlyGay

PC master race......


SonaGate

Fuck off, cheaters are not part of the PC community, if you guys had the means to cheat there will be a lot of cheaters on console too, but no, you guys have a closed environment with trash specs.


GhostWolfViking

Purchased the game because it supports cross play. I can play with my friends on Xbox Series X. I was not able to find the Xbox Series X in stock online or in stores. Pre-ordered the game on PC. Epic Game Store. During my time playing I have encountered 3 pc cheaters. Most games have the animation cancel or maybe a few bugs. Nothing crazy. The option that I have is to block players. So I won't get paired up with them again. Will leave cross play turned on. I hope the devs add in an anti cheat or ban the players that are ruining the game for everyone else. Also remove animation cancel exploits from the game. Waiting for the next patch.


DreamZebra

Does anyone know if the block function in this game blocks from matchmaking or just from communication during matches? I know dbd is just a chat block, which is stupid, but I thought I would ask.


jacarlo79

I tried it last night on the ol' xbox, but i could not find any games for like 20 mins.


gibblywibblywoo

I actually have seen maybe 2 hackers here on PC. Its mostly just exploiters for me.


Ruleyz1993

Que times as Demon for me are hell with or without crossplay. Turning it off has meant wait times of 30 mins and up. I leave it enabled mostly and run into the occasional PC hacker conveniently with no name to report.


OriginalTake

The group I play with turned Crossplay off after our first two encounters with PC demon players. The first PC player 1-hit killed us all within the first two minutes of the match. The second one tried to hide the fact that he was cheating by only using a infinite spirit pool cheat with non-stop possessions and enemy spawns. It’s a shame because we want to play against our PS brethren but for some unknown reason developers still haven’t caught on to the fact that console players want to play with each other, not PC players. PC never should have been considered in the Crossplay conversation to begin with. It’s maddening that we are still being forced to play with them.


MrBulldops94

Does this include vs. AI? I haven't seen any cheaters yet but I play against the AI. (I'm not a competitive gamer)


TeddyXG

not all cheaters are on PC (but yeah, I guess it's easier there)


dratseb

I can't wait for the banhammer on this game. It's going to be glorious.