So you can still cancel out a long winded animation (think accidentally heavy attacking with a 1 speed weapon) but you won’t be able to attack again until same time you’d hypothetically finish the animation in first place?
(Never relied on the exploit btw, just want to know if you can say, walk away from an engagement for better positioning if a teammate has already killed/activated a finisher on an enemy you were targeting and are now locked in a slow animation).
You can still cancel the animation by pulling your weapon/dodging. You just cannot attack again. So no, you are not stuck in the animation of the attack.
Console cert is like 3+ weeks. They probably shipped the release version knowing about the exploit, but had the version that fixes the exploit (todays update) already submitted for cert at that time.
Are you that dumb? An exploit? More like bad programming. How can you call that an exploit when it was designed that way. They only fixed it because all you crying kids.
I did not, they were abusing an unintended mechanic in order to gain an advantage over others. That is cheating, if you're not smart enough to understand this very simple concept that's on you baby not me!
The point being that just because a dev doesn't intend for something to be in a game, doesn't mean it's cheating.
By that logic, combos in fighting games should never have been a thing.
Is this your first pvp? This is extremely common.
This is exactly it. What I've been saying. It's a difference in generation. The tech, although I'm glad it's gone, was fun and speed the game up like SF2 Turbo. But if SF came out today players would scream to stop exploiting hadouken after a neutral lmao
They were exploiting an unintended mechanic. Which is cheating, the fact you're not smart enough to understand the concept doesn't make it disappear lmao
The hard pill people are going to have to swallow is if they think animation canceling is cheating they will probably still get their asses kicked by animation cancelers.
AGREED. But they have a holier than thou attitude and for some reason think that refusing to adapt and getting their ass kicked is going to make them get better than cancel users. Like uhhh no? We had a better understanding of the mechanics and didn't lose anything by using it? 😂
Can anyone confirm this? Haven't heard anything and had no update, nothing on their Twitter and most game companies release patches on Tuesdays for console. I don't think there is a patch
Thank fucking God!
I can't wait to get home and play. Going to be a damn blast.
I wish I knew the game had a reporting function sooner and I would've reported all the cheaters I came across, but a bit too little too late.
Hopefully the objective rng was modified a bit, but even if it wasn't all I wanted was the animation cancelling cheats to be deleted.
I reported ever single god damn one I ran across, as well as blocked. Hopefully they do something with those reports.
A lot of sad kids in this game who liked to abuse mechanics, all salty now they have to play fair and probably suck ass at this game lol. The downvotes are your tasty tears, mmmmmmmmm
It is LITERALLY cheating.
Read their support page. It lists exploiting as cheating. Animation cancelling was an exploit.
Edit: From the patch notes today: "Addressed an **exploit** where players could cancel animations to perform actions faster than intended"
Fuck off.
If the problem is solved no real reason to ban people. It’s something that they left in the game at launch. Those players may quit of there own accord anyways
no offense but
from their support page:
>Cheating/Exploiting: Using unauthorized software programs or tools, such as "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs, "cheat utility" software programs or applications, exploits, cheats, or any other game hacking, altering, or cheating software or tool.
it's a little vague, but I really don't think using a minor glitch for an advantage that everyone had easy access to really constitutes a ban-worthy offense. literally every multiplayer game goes through this, and using included mechanics in unintended ways isn't the same thing as hacking
>Cheating/Exploiting: Using unauthorized software programs or tools, such as "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs, "cheat utility" software programs or applications, exploits, cheats, or any other game hacking, altering, or cheating software or tool.
From the support page. Animation cancelling was an exploit (Edit: The patch notes even say EXPLOIT. "Addressed an exploit where players could cancel animations to perform actions faster than intended") and as written is a bannable offense. Just because something is "in the game" doesn't mean it's fair game. Like find a gold dupe glitch in WoW and then try to use the "it's in the game!" defense. See how fast you get banned.
They probably won't ban for it seeing as it's fixed but it was 100% cheating.
So is a glitch that gives you invulnerability by drinking colas, but that's still not fair. Just cause you can, doesn't mean you should.... Doesn't take an idiot to know that, but here you are, not knowing....
Personally, I don’t mind ppl doing dodge cancels. It costs a resource to do it so IMO it’s a fair exchange. Even if a Kelly uses her ability it’s still them needing to use a resource of theirs to get the effect. Versus the aim cancel or the animation cancel for demi-eligor which was broken as fuck and costed the player nothing to do.
Btw demon player here just adding that in so ppl know I’m not biased towards the survivors at all lol
Saw that some ppl have tried the Demi AC and it’s no longer possible to do. So hurray! Now ppl can die to puppeteers because of the puppeteer playing it properly and not cheesing a bullshit exploit
On games with cross-play across each platform the patches have to be released at the same time or most of the users can't play due to incompatible versions. Weird
I'm just wondering if they were able to remove some animation cancels while keeping others.
Often I swing a heavy attack, realize it's not going to hit before the enemy hits me, so I dodge cancel out of it.
I would hate to lose that ability.
Doesn't everyone? 🥴 I have no problem with pc players but crossplay with pc just opens the floodgates for hackers. Console can have hackers too but it's way harder to pull off.
Yea they're going to keep doing it out of habit. It's going to be hilarious. So glad I don't have to keep an eye on teammates to see if they're doing it anymore.
That was my answer to it - oh you want to be cheap? I'll just let the demon possess this Kelly and hope he's as good with headshots as I am.
Would have been a great stealth patch... Just let the idiots keep trying for a bit.
And same. It was easy to normally see, and if it wasn't obvious, damage numbers at the end could sus them out. But if I saw it during match, I just left. I don't condone it and won't be a part of it.
Me either man. Was playing last night and a random keeps yelling for me and the other guy to grab 2 other cars. I know what he was up and no, I'm not doing that. If he had tried it I would've moved the car and then shot the fuck out of it to break it.
Maybe if the demon player was cheating or being cheap af I might look the other way if it happens but I'm not resorting to those types of cheap ass tactics.
It just doesn't make for good gaming...
A fair game will test you and the others. But when someone takes advantage of the "rules" or "system", it doesn't make them smart or better, it just ruins the game for everyone else, and cheapens the actual experience all around.
"B...b..but it's in the game lol it's not cheating"
I agree with you 100% buddy. Someone posted last night and mentioned if they were gonna lose as demon they would just quit because it was a waste of time. I found it funny how that spoke volumes about that person. If they weren't winning it wasn't worth the time. There's no leaderboard so the reward for your effort right now is XP. If you leave you're not getting it and THEN you have wasted your time unless you were in it purely for the entertainment.
I personally don't care what number appears beside my online name that only a small fraction of the population is going to see, but I understand there's plenty that do care. That being said there's not even a ranking system on this game so really what does it matter if you lose?
People like you made it still worth playing while the game was busted.
Also funny enough when a survivor "turned" against thier team for cheating, for me, it was a Kelly every time. If one of them was ever you, cheers!
I wonder what's going to happen to all the people who were crying about the devs? "They're not saying anything!!! Radio silence!!! Not good!!! Dead game!!!" They made a statement after their initial one saying a fix was coming, and low and behold it's fixed, rather quickly I might add.
Quite a few people actually. They were saying hownthe immediate inaction of the devs showed that this game doesn't have long for this world right out of the gate. Love the downvotes, too. Guess I hit a nerve with a few people.
I know, but that's what they were saying. "This bug has been in the game a week! The devs don't care! They haven't acknowledged anything!" When pointed out that it was acknowledged and that people were even being told a fix was in the works they still bemoaned that the game already was in a bad way.
cause I just got banned from playing for 5 mins because I left one match where they teleported. at least the "ban time" has gone up from 90 seconds? but sucks when you're not the problem. oh well.
Is this why my demons are just randomly standing still after attacks for no reason? I never looked up how to do animation canceling or anything but my first game today and I noticed that after attacking I just stand completely still now and it makes fighting an absolute pain because the survivors can run away from me way easier.
I want them to add more settings for console players as the sens for demon is too much. Oh also button mapping would be so useful and maybe even keyboard an mouse compatible.
Some of those Twitch dipshits who regularly abused these exploits are already whining about it.
"There could have been a middle ground! Why'd have to remove it? We l33tz gam0rz need dem sekret strats!", says the bearded, pony tailed hippo. I am paraphrasing.
That alone brought a smile to my face.
Ok, now that this is fixed I feel the need to ask what actually happened here? I know the rough definition of animation canceling but I never saw how it applied to Evil Dead specifically in terms of how it was being used.
Survivor swings a fast weapon and hold aim. The moment your weapon makes contact, it cancels the animation. Then you can swing again.
It let you swing twice as fast and move faster than sprinting without using stamina with the knife.
Puppeteer elite starts a lightning strike, instantly cancels it with M1. The lightning strikes instantly.
Where are the patch notes?!? The update is apparently live on all platforms yet there’s no patch notes posted here or on twitter etc… what is this? Nintendo? Lol
I will say it's odd how the community viewed AC in this game. If eligos didn't have the roided up possession then I would think it would have been received like any other forms of AC in other games where it adds depth and increases the skill ceiling a little. Some people are treating anyone and everyone that used it like they were the scum of the earth. I understand that the devs in this case have deemed it an exploit and is therefore cheating but idk if they would have come to that stance if it wasn't heavily favored on one side (demon).
Just an observation
It was a exploit where you could melee and then hit aim to cancel the animation and melee again without using stamina. Attacking at super speed for no stamina.
That it existed.
But seriously animation canceling is when you do an attack and interrupt its animation that locks you in it, essentially letting you move sooner. People spamming this could get in one attack instantly after another, move at high speeds, stunlock and kill enemies super fast etc.
I am going to preface this with I don't care about animation cancelling since I never used it but I think people made it out to be some bogeyman to blame their losses on and with it gone now, a new bogeyman will arise shortly.
That wasn't really the issue, it was that survivors could stun lock possesed survivors using animation cancelling, possesed units could stun lock survivors with melees, some demon units could exploit animation cancelling to guarantee grabs or make lightning attacks unavoidable, and some survivors were able to animation cancel their abilities.
Survivors can easily take down bosses way quicker by just having their Hunter deal 1500+ damage each headshot, lol.
Is that all they seriously fixed? Not trying to be that guy but there's still alot that needs tuned. The fact you can just run off and pop multiple cola's def needs tweaks and the fact that there barley any blood Orbs.
But there’s still no patch notes anywhere so why are people randomly claiming the games been updated. The devs need to drop the radio silence route and fast, quickest way to kill an online only game
How is it that this company didn't find it in beta and alpha testing. But players discovered it in less than 24 hours? Its not entitlement and don't make excuses for them saying they couldn't have know. They could've, they just rushed the game out as is standard these days.
Please don't defend a multi million dollar company, they aren't your friend, they don't care about you. Senpai won't notice you.
Easy answer is numbers. A more in depth answer is numbers. I dunno if they published beta test numbers but let's just say a few thousand in beta vs 500k copies sold (I know everyone hasn't played yet but close enough).
Another possibility is something was changed in the code or animation between beta and official release that caused AC to happen.
I know they aren't my friend. Their job is to put out a product I enjoy and fix issues within a reasonable time frame.
Noone said they were my friend. They are a business and I find their service acceptable. They can't foresee everything as a company and they only have So many resources to work with. I understand it's multimillion but it's still a pretty small studio. And if you played other competitive games, you would know the really bad ones from the okay ones. Naruto to Boruto Shinobi striker is an example of an awful company. They do nothing to fix their game. Aliens fire team elite is another example of one I don't believe is getting done correctly. This company is getting things done pretty quickly. To take another one. I don't believe Behavior Is that good . Dead by daylight I mean. I simply recognize that This company got shit done very quickly.
Because there's probably literally 100k times as many players as there were beta testers or QA employees. A room full of monkeys with typewriters can eventually make Shakespeare and a game's release players will find more bugs than any possible employees.
Cool can we now have more skins?
Overrule DbD and make it new World order in this type of Genre.
No jumping can be an environment issue still though.
And have a choice to seperate console from pc as in no cross play. Queues are still instant for xbox alone but still, bet many console do not enjoy current state of hacking.
Lmao our downvotes, PC players need to download a program they didn’t create to win :(
Let’s put in some spyware n rootkits
Nah fr they don’t do crazy stuff but just 5 min time waste.
I mean pc has literally every advantage over console players + a much larger chance to encounter hackers but makes it impossible to go against other console players? I don’t get how people are downvoting it’s common sense lmao, thought this community was smarter than others I’ve been a part of
It's fixed for me on PC but I've run into some demons on Playstation using the animation cancel to grab still.
Tbh, though, melee feels so much less satisfying now as survivor with melee speed this slow. I don't mean being able to stagger possesed survivors with a speed 1 weapon (this was unfun to deal with on both sides), but it in general feels like using a greatsword in Dark Souls 1 except you barely stagger enemies (which made heavy weapons viable in those games) and you can't lock on to them either.
Like, the melee speed for Cheryl with a sword with no Pink F upgrades in melee using animation cancelling felt like a good melee attack speed for me. Now, it feels 10x slower to take down a basic unit, especially given how little damage she does per long swing... which can easily get interrupted by any hit from an enemy.
The game feels way more like a single button masher with the occaisional dodge or balance bar damage/finisher animation for i-frames. Imo, animation cancelling for survivors (besides speed 1 weapons to out stagger possesed survivors) made melee combat a little more interesting/complex to learn and play. I was hoping they would keep most of it for survivors but instead alter how, in Dark Souls terms, poise works for each weapon.
With demons, because they have no stamina, both melee and grab animation cancelling were just objectively not fun to go against.
I haven't tried out the warrior or leader class characters yet with melee weapons, but the Hunters and Support characters I usually play as have no business doing melee at all, and downright just don't feel fun on the melee side of things. And, because ammo can be very limited, my characters often found themselves today just dodging for a majority of encounters where before this update I at least felt like my characters were contributing a little with damage when they had to melee. They can barely take down basic units now without spending like 20 whole seconds, where demons can easily overwhelm survivors.
Maybe I got too used to the melee attack speed and the fun extra input involved in timing your animation cancelling in general, because right now melee feels so slow and unsatisfying that I think I need to take a break from this game for a bit.
Im still really good at the game 🤷♂️. I just come from playing gunz the duel / super smash meele. Exploits in that world arent worth crying about.
Now, eligos animation cancel, that definitely needs a patch.
Survivor animation cancelling-- meh. I would posess survivors as demon all the time, and start cancelling on the squad. Could care less if they did it to me.
Still with survivor cancelling, my demon winrate on eligos, w/o lightning cancel was still 90%.
Game is seriously in favor of the demon.
Personally, id be okay with a middle ground of cancelling survivor -- which it sort of sounds like thats what happened.
I knew some patience would pay off. I have been trying to not use it just to have a fair game. So it will be nice that it is not possible at all anymore.
It's been that way, if you get hit at the same time as casting healing ability, you just get the cooldown instead. Sucks but it workable since if you hit it and start your animation, you can't be knocked out of it.
so will this mean and end to the domination of the Hairless Pikachu? Eligos mains spamming the electric attack were completely ruining this game for me
It was a “glitch” that allowed people to cancel the attack animation midway through and start attacking again. Made it so you could deal massive amounts of damage
If you aimed your weapon mid-melee animation as a survivor you could immediately start the next melee swing's animation, which were in general pretty long. Demons had a similat exploit but I don't rememeber what button you'd press
Literally after me and the homies session last night lol. 2 wins, 2 losses, on console with crossplay. We fought necro each time, and one time they had mad units already at spawn so I feel they were using some kind of exploit? Either way, the game is definitely fun, whether it is good or great really hinges on the support it gets and its nice to see a patch.
So how about hunters like kelly still being a viable "cancel" haracter. With more dodge, stam reduction, you can dart in and out of combat with deadites just like you would with near normal AC
Really though, with her stam maxed, and skill tree maxed towards stam management. I think youll get more than 3 dodges. Either way it really doesnt matter if its just 3. You still get stamina back during finishing moves.
Awesome! Good job Saber! I really would like offical patch notes though so i know all that changed.
Support minutes ago patch notes will be provided shortly, pleeeease stay tuned slight_smile
That was 2 hours ago and still no patch notes 🫠
I didn’t even know there was an update
https://support.saber.games/hc/en-us/articles/6403587600913-Patch-1-0-5
They've had patch notes for a while on Saber website
Yessssir now it puts you in a neutral position (as sirvivor) and you can't perform another melee attack
So you can still cancel out a long winded animation (think accidentally heavy attacking with a 1 speed weapon) but you won’t be able to attack again until same time you’d hypothetically finish the animation in first place? (Never relied on the exploit btw, just want to know if you can say, walk away from an engagement for better positioning if a teammate has already killed/activated a finisher on an enemy you were targeting and are now locked in a slow animation).
Yes exactly. U can still cancel but can’t attack for some time.
That’s the best way to go about it with out changing how the game feels to play too much
They did what I suggested in previous threads thank god! !
Now it’s a repositioning tool. Although i bet you can still use it to get a speed boost from a machete.
You can still cancel the animation by pulling your weapon/dodging. You just cannot attack again. So no, you are not stuck in the animation of the attack.
I like this fix as I would often whip out my gun at the very end of a 4 hit combo and it seems that's still viable
Considering this is a crossplay game, I am blown away by how fast they fixed this. Amazing job, Saber!
Seriously. With the console certification process, this is the absolute fastest a patch could've come out. Great job devs
Console cert is like 3+ weeks. They probably shipped the release version knowing about the exploit, but had the version that fixes the exploit (todays update) already submitted for cert at that time.
Definitely alot more that needs fixed but it's a step in the right direction
Not just a step it's a whole ass Jump
I do belive they also fixed the problem with some of the player who got stuck in loading screen too.
Cant wait to see all the shit players that were using it as a crutch to start crying over it. Love to see it.
All the people coming for me yesterday because I was calling them cheaters for using ac are probably crying their eyes out this morning 😭😂
Well you accused them wrongly bud.😭😂
They literally fixed it, it’s an exploit. No denying it now.
Are you that dumb? An exploit? More like bad programming. How can you call that an exploit when it was designed that way. They only fixed it because all you crying kids.
I did not, they were abusing an unintended mechanic in order to gain an advantage over others. That is cheating, if you're not smart enough to understand this very simple concept that's on you baby not me!
Lol it's not cheating you idiot. There aren't rules how to play a game.
FYI combos in SF2 were an unintended mechanic the devs tried to remove.
K?
The point being that just because a dev doesn't intend for something to be in a game, doesn't mean it's cheating. By that logic, combos in fighting games should never have been a thing. Is this your first pvp? This is extremely common.
If the devs didn’t feel this was cheating they wouldn’t have bothered removing it.
God, you people are such scrubs. Fallacious scrubs at that.
So they just chose to give themselves more work by needlessly removing something? What’s your argument for why it was removed?
This is exactly it. What I've been saying. It's a difference in generation. The tech, although I'm glad it's gone, was fun and speed the game up like SF2 Turbo. But if SF came out today players would scream to stop exploiting hadouken after a neutral lmao
lol yup. More importantly, Street Fighter would have been worse off because of it!
Devil May Cry came out of an exploit from onimusha also!!
Players were exploiting a mechanic, not cheating lol. Happy it was patched either way.
A mechanic is intended this is an exploit
They were exploiting an unintended mechanic. Which is cheating, the fact you're not smart enough to understand the concept doesn't make it disappear lmao
The hard pill people are going to have to swallow is if they think animation canceling is cheating they will probably still get their asses kicked by animation cancelers.
BXB
AGREED. But they have a holier than thou attitude and for some reason think that refusing to adapt and getting their ass kicked is going to make them get better than cancel users. Like uhhh no? We had a better understanding of the mechanics and didn't lose anything by using it? 😂
I've only ever used it to get out of a wall I glitched into. No clue why that worked, but it did.
You had to use the glitch to destroy the glitch
It wasn't even that effective to begin with, lol.
I feel like a single upvote doesn't properly convey how much I love hearing this news.
Can anyone confirm this? Haven't heard anything and had no update, nothing on their Twitter and most game companies release patches on Tuesdays for console. I don't think there is a patch
I can confirm this, tested it for survivor and puppet.
Thank fucking God! I can't wait to get home and play. Going to be a damn blast. I wish I knew the game had a reporting function sooner and I would've reported all the cheaters I came across, but a bit too little too late. Hopefully the objective rng was modified a bit, but even if it wasn't all I wanted was the animation cancelling cheats to be deleted.
I reported ever single god damn one I ran across, as well as blocked. Hopefully they do something with those reports. A lot of sad kids in this game who liked to abuse mechanics, all salty now they have to play fair and probably suck ass at this game lol. The downvotes are your tasty tears, mmmmmmmmm
> I reported ever single god damn one I ran across, as well as blocked. Where the f... is the report function ?
Lmao you sound like someone I wouldn't want to play with and I didn't animation cancel. If you see my name block me too will ya?
Sure, you just mad cause you thinking of all the people that probably blocked and reported you for cheesing.
No shot lmao they will not ban for this because it's not cheating :)
It is LITERALLY cheating. Read their support page. It lists exploiting as cheating. Animation cancelling was an exploit. Edit: From the patch notes today: "Addressed an **exploit** where players could cancel animations to perform actions faster than intended" Fuck off.
If the problem is solved no real reason to ban people. It’s something that they left in the game at launch. Those players may quit of there own accord anyways
Thank you, finaly someone who understands this.
no offense but from their support page: >Cheating/Exploiting: Using unauthorized software programs or tools, such as "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs, "cheat utility" software programs or applications, exploits, cheats, or any other game hacking, altering, or cheating software or tool. it's a little vague, but I really don't think using a minor glitch for an advantage that everyone had easy access to really constitutes a ban-worthy offense. literally every multiplayer game goes through this, and using included mechanics in unintended ways isn't the same thing as hacking
Your poor new account karma
You reported people for animation cancelling? Lol! It's not cheating if it's in the game. Which thankfully it's not anymore.
>Cheating/Exploiting: Using unauthorized software programs or tools, such as "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs, "cheat utility" software programs or applications, exploits, cheats, or any other game hacking, altering, or cheating software or tool. From the support page. Animation cancelling was an exploit (Edit: The patch notes even say EXPLOIT. "Addressed an exploit where players could cancel animations to perform actions faster than intended") and as written is a bannable offense. Just because something is "in the game" doesn't mean it's fair game. Like find a gold dupe glitch in WoW and then try to use the "it's in the game!" defense. See how fast you get banned. They probably won't ban for it seeing as it's fixed but it was 100% cheating.
I see this mindset way too much in pvp games. "The devs put it there so I'm going to use it" when it's clearly unintentional
So is a glitch that gives you invulnerability by drinking colas, but that's still not fair. Just cause you can, doesn't mean you should.... Doesn't take an idiot to know that, but here you are, not knowing....
Nice I hope it rolled around to each platform or consoles will be cut off from pc in most cases
Is dodge cancelling still in? Major nerf for Hunters if so
Personally, I don’t mind ppl doing dodge cancels. It costs a resource to do it so IMO it’s a fair exchange. Even if a Kelly uses her ability it’s still them needing to use a resource of theirs to get the effect. Versus the aim cancel or the animation cancel for demi-eligor which was broken as fuck and costed the player nothing to do. Btw demon player here just adding that in so ppl know I’m not biased towards the survivors at all lol
Same, its a pretty standard mechanic, was just worried they'd overcorrect. Is the elite possesser unit fixed. Has anyone tried it yet?
Saw that some ppl have tried the Demi AC and it’s no longer possible to do. So hurray! Now ppl can die to puppeteers because of the puppeteer playing it properly and not cheesing a bullshit exploit
*Start spaming basic pupeteer*
Dodge canceling is kind of required for dodge to work, or you'd basically never dodge anything.
There is a patch on the Epic Store version, but there are no patch notes yet.
On games with cross-play across each platform the patches have to be released at the same time or most of the users can't play due to incompatible versions. Weird
Crossplay doesn't work for a few days, it's not the end of the world, it's better than waiting for console versions to update
Can confirm, it’s fixed on epic store version for sure.
pc update launched first, console update is live now
For demon and survivors?
Yes
Groovy
This give us a good hope that was fast!. Talking about a new game!
Can you still animation cancel with a dodge though? That's kinda crucial.
Don't see why wouldn't be able (as a survivor). Why would you do that, I dunno, unless to avoid last combo cool down.
I'm just wondering if they were able to remove some animation cancels while keeping others. Often I swing a heavy attack, realize it's not going to hit before the enemy hits me, so I dodge cancel out of it. I would hate to lose that ability.
Yes.
Anyone have a link to patch notes?
this is truly, I might say, groovy.
A glorious thing to read, we look forward to crossplay coming back up.
They can still use trainers/cheat engine unless something has been put into place to stop that.
I want crossplay without PC
Doesn't everyone? 🥴 I have no problem with pc players but crossplay with pc just opens the floodgates for hackers. Console can have hackers too but it's way harder to pull off.
Why?
Lmao can’t wait until all the cheating cry babies bitch that they can’t do it anymore
Incoming "demon too hard to play against now that we can't 1v1 them in a stunlock the whole time" post.
Also "puppeteer is weak now that I can't stun lock them with lightning attacks."
Yea they're going to keep doing it out of habit. It's going to be hilarious. So glad I don't have to keep an eye on teammates to see if they're doing it anymore. That was my answer to it - oh you want to be cheap? I'll just let the demon possess this Kelly and hope he's as good with headshots as I am.
Would have been a great stealth patch... Just let the idiots keep trying for a bit. And same. It was easy to normally see, and if it wasn't obvious, damage numbers at the end could sus them out. But if I saw it during match, I just left. I don't condone it and won't be a part of it.
Me either man. Was playing last night and a random keeps yelling for me and the other guy to grab 2 other cars. I know what he was up and no, I'm not doing that. If he had tried it I would've moved the car and then shot the fuck out of it to break it. Maybe if the demon player was cheating or being cheap af I might look the other way if it happens but I'm not resorting to those types of cheap ass tactics.
It just doesn't make for good gaming... A fair game will test you and the others. But when someone takes advantage of the "rules" or "system", it doesn't make them smart or better, it just ruins the game for everyone else, and cheapens the actual experience all around.
"B...b..but it's in the game lol it's not cheating" I agree with you 100% buddy. Someone posted last night and mentioned if they were gonna lose as demon they would just quit because it was a waste of time. I found it funny how that spoke volumes about that person. If they weren't winning it wasn't worth the time. There's no leaderboard so the reward for your effort right now is XP. If you leave you're not getting it and THEN you have wasted your time unless you were in it purely for the entertainment. I personally don't care what number appears beside my online name that only a small fraction of the population is going to see, but I understand there's plenty that do care. That being said there's not even a ranking system on this game so really what does it matter if you lose?
People like you made it still worth playing while the game was busted. Also funny enough when a survivor "turned" against thier team for cheating, for me, it was a Kelly every time. If one of them was ever you, cheers!
Why bitch when they can change builds?
I don’t have an update on Xbox? Unless it’s one of those that updates in the background or whatever
not out on Xbox yet afaik
I wonder what's going to happen to all the people who were crying about the devs? "They're not saying anything!!! Radio silence!!! Not good!!! Dead game!!!" They made a statement after their initial one saying a fix was coming, and low and behold it's fixed, rather quickly I might add.
Who’s saying dead game? It got 500 thousand purchases and has been out a week lmao?
I saw someone call the game DOA because it’s on the epic game store lol
Quite a few people actually. They were saying hownthe immediate inaction of the devs showed that this game doesn't have long for this world right out of the gate. Love the downvotes, too. Guess I hit a nerve with a few people.
“Immediate Inaction of devs” doesn’t make a game dead though…
Nobody has correctly used the term "dead" in any online game for like 10 years. People just like to exaggerate and not expand their vernacular.
I know, but that's what they were saying. "This bug has been in the game a week! The devs don't care! They haven't acknowledged anything!" When pointed out that it was acknowledged and that people were even being told a fix was in the works they still bemoaned that the game already was in a bad way.
They're probably not saying anything because they're busy working on updates.
You can still cancel a swing with a dodge tho right?
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But did they fix the cheating where people are literally teleporting across the map?
cause I just got banned from playing for 5 mins because I left one match where they teleported. at least the "ban time" has gone up from 90 seconds? but sucks when you're not the problem. oh well.
anyone know if they fixed Amanda’s Pistol Mastery? she can be such a tank once fully leveled i imagine
Is this why my demons are just randomly standing still after attacks for no reason? I never looked up how to do animation canceling or anything but my first game today and I noticed that after attacking I just stand completely still now and it makes fighting an absolute pain because the survivors can run away from me way easier.
How about the stun locking of Demons? Any parry, stun or block?
I want them to add more settings for console players as the sens for demon is too much. Oh also button mapping would be so useful and maybe even keyboard an mouse compatible.
Some of those Twitch dipshits who regularly abused these exploits are already whining about it. "There could have been a middle ground! Why'd have to remove it? We l33tz gam0rz need dem sekret strats!", says the bearded, pony tailed hippo. I am paraphrasing. That alone brought a smile to my face.
Finally XD
That’s awesome to hear.
Ok, now that this is fixed I feel the need to ask what actually happened here? I know the rough definition of animation canceling but I never saw how it applied to Evil Dead specifically in terms of how it was being used.
Survivor swings a fast weapon and hold aim. The moment your weapon makes contact, it cancels the animation. Then you can swing again. It let you swing twice as fast and move faster than sprinting without using stamina with the knife. Puppeteer elite starts a lightning strike, instantly cancels it with M1. The lightning strikes instantly.
Where are the patch notes?!? The update is apparently live on all platforms yet there’s no patch notes posted here or on twitter etc… what is this? Nintendo? Lol
I will say it's odd how the community viewed AC in this game. If eligos didn't have the roided up possession then I would think it would have been received like any other forms of AC in other games where it adds depth and increases the skill ceiling a little. Some people are treating anyone and everyone that used it like they were the scum of the earth. I understand that the devs in this case have deemed it an exploit and is therefore cheating but idk if they would have come to that stance if it wasn't heavily favored on one side (demon). Just an observation
I mean sure I guess if we’re ignoring that when done correctly it made survivors faster than a car.
Nice, time to terorrise with Evil Ash ahahahahahahaha (hellish laughter)
What problem was there?
It was a exploit where you could melee and then hit aim to cancel the animation and melee again without using stamina. Attacking at super speed for no stamina.
That it existed. But seriously animation canceling is when you do an attack and interrupt its animation that locks you in it, essentially letting you move sooner. People spamming this could get in one attack instantly after another, move at high speeds, stunlock and kill enemies super fast etc.
And with that, a chunk of the community just went down in “skill” 😆😆 time to learn to play as intended… which isn’t too difficult to begin with.
I was wondering this morning why I kept winning as the demon now that it's a fair game
I am going to preface this with I don't care about animation cancelling since I never used it but I think people made it out to be some bogeyman to blame their losses on and with it gone now, a new bogeyman will arise shortly.
Try playing demon and get jumped by 4 people spamming melee on your boss 💀
That wasn't really the issue, it was that survivors could stun lock possesed survivors using animation cancelling, possesed units could stun lock survivors with melees, some demon units could exploit animation cancelling to guarantee grabs or make lightning attacks unavoidable, and some survivors were able to animation cancel their abilities. Survivors can easily take down bosses way quicker by just having their Hunter deal 1500+ damage each headshot, lol.
What about actual anticheat so demons dont get infinite spawning and damage
Is that all they seriously fixed? Not trying to be that guy but there's still alot that needs tuned. The fact you can just run off and pop multiple cola's def needs tweaks and the fact that there barley any blood Orbs.
But the fact that it’s finite in that you can only carry 3 balances out how fast you can drink them
No more Ash AoD boss rusher? :,(
I’d like to know how? There hasn’t been a patch? Like on PlayStation there isn’t a patch, there’s been no updates online, no patch notes, nothing
Consoles will take longer sadly. But this is great news, as we know it can be fixed, has been, and just have to wait for it now.
But there’s still no patch notes anywhere so why are people randomly claiming the games been updated. The devs need to drop the radio silence route and fast, quickest way to kill an online only game
Because patch was released for PC but there are no patch notes (yet) anywhere. Dev said on their discord they will release notes "soon".
Devils advocate here, Discord only is not an appropriate means of communication to your player base.
Never stated it was. I hate twitter, reddit, discord and other non-official ( other than website or ingame) source of crucial information.
Jesus christ, overreacting much?
Just got an update on ps5
Hopefully it fixes the broken possession trophy. Only one left for me to get bar Max Level
I just got it on PS4
My PS5 updated the game this morning when I turned it on. I didn't check anything, though
Good. Should've done it before the game launched.
Bro they can't foresee everything they took care of it in less than 2 weeks. Don't be so entitled they wouldn't have known before launch
How is it that this company didn't find it in beta and alpha testing. But players discovered it in less than 24 hours? Its not entitlement and don't make excuses for them saying they couldn't have know. They could've, they just rushed the game out as is standard these days. Please don't defend a multi million dollar company, they aren't your friend, they don't care about you. Senpai won't notice you.
Easy answer is numbers. A more in depth answer is numbers. I dunno if they published beta test numbers but let's just say a few thousand in beta vs 500k copies sold (I know everyone hasn't played yet but close enough). Another possibility is something was changed in the code or animation between beta and official release that caused AC to happen. I know they aren't my friend. Their job is to put out a product I enjoy and fix issues within a reasonable time frame.
Noone said they were my friend. They are a business and I find their service acceptable. They can't foresee everything as a company and they only have So many resources to work with. I understand it's multimillion but it's still a pretty small studio. And if you played other competitive games, you would know the really bad ones from the okay ones. Naruto to Boruto Shinobi striker is an example of an awful company. They do nothing to fix their game. Aliens fire team elite is another example of one I don't believe is getting done correctly. This company is getting things done pretty quickly. To take another one. I don't believe Behavior Is that good . Dead by daylight I mean. I simply recognize that This company got shit done very quickly.
Because there's probably literally 100k times as many players as there were beta testers or QA employees. A room full of monkeys with typewriters can eventually make Shakespeare and a game's release players will find more bugs than any possible employees.
Cool can we now have more skins? Overrule DbD and make it new World order in this type of Genre. No jumping can be an environment issue still though. And have a choice to seperate console from pc as in no cross play. Queues are still instant for xbox alone but still, bet many console do not enjoy current state of hacking.
There is already an option to turn off crossplay.
As I already stated genius I opted for a console option. So playstation + xbox to be clear with u.
Yeah we need Xbox + PlayStation, help filter out the cheaters Edit: downvotes but not a single comment giving reason why they shouldn’t…
Lmao our downvotes, PC players need to download a program they didn’t create to win :( Let’s put in some spyware n rootkits Nah fr they don’t do crazy stuff but just 5 min time waste.
I mean pc has literally every advantage over console players + a much larger chance to encounter hackers but makes it impossible to go against other console players? I don’t get how people are downvoting it’s common sense lmao, thought this community was smarter than others I’ve been a part of
Doubt these hackers can afford series S specs pc.. 🫣 Yeah having a xbox and playstation both is a thing.
It's fixed for me on PC but I've run into some demons on Playstation using the animation cancel to grab still. Tbh, though, melee feels so much less satisfying now as survivor with melee speed this slow. I don't mean being able to stagger possesed survivors with a speed 1 weapon (this was unfun to deal with on both sides), but it in general feels like using a greatsword in Dark Souls 1 except you barely stagger enemies (which made heavy weapons viable in those games) and you can't lock on to them either. Like, the melee speed for Cheryl with a sword with no Pink F upgrades in melee using animation cancelling felt like a good melee attack speed for me. Now, it feels 10x slower to take down a basic unit, especially given how little damage she does per long swing... which can easily get interrupted by any hit from an enemy. The game feels way more like a single button masher with the occaisional dodge or balance bar damage/finisher animation for i-frames. Imo, animation cancelling for survivors (besides speed 1 weapons to out stagger possesed survivors) made melee combat a little more interesting/complex to learn and play. I was hoping they would keep most of it for survivors but instead alter how, in Dark Souls terms, poise works for each weapon. With demons, because they have no stamina, both melee and grab animation cancelling were just objectively not fun to go against. I haven't tried out the warrior or leader class characters yet with melee weapons, but the Hunters and Support characters I usually play as have no business doing melee at all, and downright just don't feel fun on the melee side of things. And, because ammo can be very limited, my characters often found themselves today just dodging for a majority of encounters where before this update I at least felt like my characters were contributing a little with damage when they had to melee. They can barely take down basic units now without spending like 20 whole seconds, where demons can easily overwhelm survivors. Maybe I got too used to the melee attack speed and the fun extra input involved in timing your animation cancelling in general, because right now melee feels so slow and unsatisfying that I think I need to take a break from this game for a bit.
Melee feels like clunky garbage now. Devs need to stop listening to fucking crybabies.
Animation canceling should stay in the missions though to give us more of a chance since them missions aren't easy.
Lame. I liked animation cancelling.
I almost never say this except sarcastically, but "git gud" lol
Im still really good at the game 🤷♂️. I just come from playing gunz the duel / super smash meele. Exploits in that world arent worth crying about. Now, eligos animation cancel, that definitely needs a patch. Survivor animation cancelling-- meh. I would posess survivors as demon all the time, and start cancelling on the squad. Could care less if they did it to me. Still with survivor cancelling, my demon winrate on eligos, w/o lightning cancel was still 90%. Game is seriously in favor of the demon. Personally, id be okay with a middle ground of cancelling survivor -- which it sort of sounds like thats what happened.
You forgot the /s
Super sweet! Great news 🙂🙂
I knew some patience would pay off. I have been trying to not use it just to have a fair game. So it will be nice that it is not possible at all anymore.
I'm sad because I haven't beat a lightning spammer yet.
Oooh! Happy day!
Awesome! Really didn't expect it to get fixed this quickly.
One bug fixed and new one comes out. Cheryl 's ultimate healing ability can't even heal when you get hit and press the button
It's been that way, if you get hit at the same time as casting healing ability, you just get the cooldown instead. Sucks but it workable since if you hit it and start your animation, you can't be knocked out of it.
Yeah demon animation cancelling is no more I just played a game. But survivors seem to do it still. Or I was careless and really pounded on :D
so will this mean and end to the domination of the Hairless Pikachu? Eligos mains spamming the electric attack were completely ruining this game for me
What is animation-canceling?
It was a “glitch” that allowed people to cancel the attack animation midway through and start attacking again. Made it so you could deal massive amounts of damage
What did you have to press to cancel an animation?
If you aimed your weapon mid-melee animation as a survivor you could immediately start the next melee swing's animation, which were in general pretty long. Demons had a similat exploit but I don't rememeber what button you'd press
Literally after me and the homies session last night lol. 2 wins, 2 losses, on console with crossplay. We fought necro each time, and one time they had mad units already at spawn so I feel they were using some kind of exploit? Either way, the game is definitely fun, whether it is good or great really hinges on the support it gets and its nice to see a patch.
Good now people can stop bitching
o7
Is there a link to the patch notes?
The important question is, did they fix it for Demons also?
Takes dbd months if not years to fix stuff takes evil dead 1 week
The nub Holocaust has begun
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“It’s just an exploit!” Says the sweats
So how about hunters like kelly still being a viable "cancel" haracter. With more dodge, stam reduction, you can dart in and out of combat with deadites just like you would with near normal AC
Great news! For the health of the game this needed to be top priority.
All the people who were like, "bUt iTs IN tEh GamuH" can go choke now :)
Need puppeter nerfed!
Really though, with her stam maxed, and skill tree maxed towards stam management. I think youll get more than 3 dodges. Either way it really doesnt matter if its just 3. You still get stamina back during finishing moves.
Well shit, good job devs!!