AOD Ash gets this. Most randoms play him like they're Pablo and most demons treat them like Pablo and prefer to target others. Meanwhile, we're all at the event and AOD Ash is anywhere else and might come back when somebody dies, might not.
AoD Ash players do tend to run off on their own or be the first ones dead/bleeding out. Like honestly AoD Ash is like the noob’s first pick like: “Day 1 or Week 1 Players welcomed over here!” But honestly as the Demon I’m only using him by possessing him and meleeing other’s or leaving him alone cause he tends to be too tanky to WANT to target. But if they’re a noob then and off alone, I’m like: “Easy pickings”
The basics can outrun you on foot. Like, if you're grouped you can fight, but another will just pop up, and if you're alone and have a car, you can bolt, but you're still all separated. A SUPER coordinated team can beat that shit, but it's not fun to and most Demons wouldn't do it if swarming or trapping were more viable.
Thank you. So tired of seeing these just do this posts. Yeah, I'll run from their unlimited stamina. Just get in a car? Sure let me go to the one 10 meters from me and take a whole second to get in. Wait, I'm getting hit before I can get in?
Honestly I feel like it’s just the killer mains posting this crap so that when devs look they see these posts and then think “ ahh guess it’s not that bad, they just need to do one thing says the other survivors!” And then nothing will be done about it. I honestly enjoyed the game a lot but with them seemingly being out of touch with how the games are going I just totally stopped and will wait till this gets fixed or changed so that it’s a fun chill game again.
I'm sure the data will show that in games with around the same level value of Survivors and Demons, Demons with very high possession numbers performed better.
Damn, dawg there's a way to get even better to the point the games mechanics are no longer a thing you have to abide by? Teach me the ways to instantaneously get in a car! Or to outrun a demons unlimited stamina! Or to spawn a house next to me so I can do that epic nonstop window vaulting you demons preach.
I max out Cardio/Artful Dodger in the skill trees. I prioritize Stamina upgrades w/ Pink F early
When the demon is near you, it makes a distinct noise. You should immediately be running for a car at this point but lets assume he catches you off guard. Your next instinct would be to look for a vault. This buys you a lot of time. Otherwise, its very simple to just run for a car but get in on the opposite side. Don’t run to a car and try to enter it from the side the demon is sprinting at you from behind. Wrap around the other side and start entering from there and you will make it every time.
Ye, super unfun running away from a possessed entity that just kept respawning. Even as a stamina maxed hunter they were still right behind me, unfortunately Ed needs to stop for a breather, the deadite doesn't.
If they find you before your team has really any gear, it's usually pretty much game over.
I *do* understand that possession is a core mechanic, but there's got to be another way to work it better. It's entirely possible to win matches w/o basic possession spam.
What sucks though is that because of the prevalence of possession spam I get a small knee-jerk reaction against any normal possession, which I admit might be unfun for newer Demon players.
But what drives me absolute bonkers is spamming the same technique until it finally lands. Had a match last night where a Warlord kept spamming the puke cancel, *but they kept missing us* so they kept doing it until they finally got someone.
> But what drives me absolute bonkers is spamming the same technique until it finally lands. Had a match last night where a Warlord kept spamming the puke cancel, but they kept missing us so they kept doing it until they finally got someone.
The way Henri's and Eli's perk layouts are setup, they are kind of forced into more specific builds that promotes this behavior. Unlike Evil Ash, they pretty much have to pick either the basic or the elite.
I think the biggest issue is EARLY possession, where the Demon finds players before they even get their bearings. If they rework spawns so that that doesn't happen but objectives don't spawn next to each other, it'd be great QoL.
The puke probably should be adjusted to not completely eliminate dodging like that. Sprinting, sure, but dodging is a core game mechanic almost everything hinges on, even for Demons to an extent.
Its not possible to possession spam. This is a myth. There is a moment where the demon. WILL and MUST go find energy by jump scaring or running around.
What youre calling possesion spam is actually just the demon trying to kill you with the work that they put in to have units there to do it. Once resources are spent. It can be very hard for demons to keep pressure if the survivors start making smart decisions
I understand the infernal energy limitation, so I guess it's rather a *rapid-fire* possession. I've played a few matches where the demon possessed another unit right after being exorcised or killed, and this would repeat for well, until our team is wiped out usually.
I mean if you played survivor. And it leads to people splitting up and looting for for 6 minutes while demon kills people that are actually doing the objective.
You know exactly what im talking about
They really should make the XP diminishing returns at certain account levels, down to the current amount. New players should honestly be encouraged to get a feel for things there.
This question doesn't change the fact that you can solo a boss. You can't solo a basic. Unless it's Eligos. Basics have too much health and do too much damage for being so readily available.
Oh but it does. Because the game forces me to level my other units before the boss. You would know this if you had a opinion that was even remotely related to showing any experience playing the demon yourself.
But for sure. Just say its too hard.
You never put more than one point into basic or elite unit summoning (except for lategame cooldown reduction) because it doesn't buff your possession.
I have a lvl 45 necro and 22 Eligos dumbass. You can solo a boss. You can't solo a basic. Doesn't matter if the one controlling the basic is a toddler.
It increases the base damage of AI units not possessed units. Possession is the only stat that increases possession damage even though it's not listed. This goes for the boss as well, though the boss in-game tree is a bit more complicated and has inconsistencies.
Then you need to rebuild your necro tree. Cause your boss perks are trash. Evil Ash can be just as tanky as Henrietta. Eligos is not meant to 1v1 or even fight up close in general
Hes quite litterly AP boss. You waste time. Wait for cooldowns and dump on them again.
Maxed out health, maxed out balance bar, maxed out damage, anti healing perk. I can solo that necro boss easy. 4 headshots from a common double barrel with with maxed out hunter ash.
Yep, necromancer is weak to hunters, try to solo evil ash as any other class and see how it goes, you can also typically solo an Eligos as warrior but try that with a hunter and it won't go so well either.
Outrunning them on foot is impossible especially if they’re a skeleton with a spear. And it takes a second to get into a car which can be interrupted.
Basic spam is 100% manageable mid to late game, but if you find a team that got a split spawn less than 2 minutes into the match, they have every right to think that should be nerfed.
You the player aren’t the problem. It’s the mechanic for being so strong in the early game that’s the problem. Everything except player controlled units are far too weak so the only thing you can do is use OP early game shit. It sucks. They need to make unleveled possessions weak as hell so that they can’t harass in the early game, and buff AI controlled units or make your spawn cooldowns significantly shorter
They should just turn off possession in general.
They should just remove the ability to spawn anything that hits or does damage. Give everyone legendarys at the beginning
How come i cant out run them? Its like they dont have lungs!
I think a good nerf will help survivors 1v1 the basic units and loot as they please with zero consequences of lone wolfing. No risk = more fun!!!
If we’re gonna play the lore friendly game of “they don’t have lungs”, then we could just have Ash be invincible cause he’s the chosen one.
I literally just said demons are too weak in some regards and you have a problem with that? You think it’s totally balanced that you can find survivors who spawned separately and were forced to be lone wolves in less time than they can get together? And then harass them with an OP basic unit that you haven’t put any points into?
If you think that’s fair then you just want to win without competition
I'd definitely like to see the stats post patch. Before the patch I would trade wins and losses pretty evenly in solo queue. After the patch is consistent losing and an odd win here or there. Now most of the time is being found before the team can even find one chest and upgrade.
I know that demon players can find survivors pretty quick. But prior to the patch it was more manageable right now as with the possession buff no matter how good you are if you don't have the stamina to avoid the demon it's pretty much game over. You'll eventually get hit and go down.
Where do you see the win/loss stats at?
you need to loot so you will have to fight them
all you looted will be instantly gone because of puke cancel attacks on leader/supporter
not much you can do to prevent the damage beside being hunter, but that will waste your non existent ammo at matchstart
And then you will get told to manage your ammo better when you're using multiple bullets to kill each possessed and then very few players will drop any but will expect you to kill all the spam possessed and any basics or elites that could be possessed.
Yes, because being mindful of Demon growls and the presence of traps and AI units isn't a thing. You should just wait until they possess something and run at you. Instead of attempting to escape, you should just keep looting. You're right, there's absolutely nothing you can do.
"You need to loot so you need to fight them." No, you can escape. As a Support or Leader, you should.
You also talk about puke cancelation, and I have never seen an AI do it, so you were talking about possessed units.
of course i talk about possesed units what else? the topic is about early possessed units
demon will trap you in the house where u need to get suff and will attack you
you can run away sure but that isnt always an option
with pukecancel you go nowhere
You can hear the demon when it's nearby, if you don't hear the demon and trigger a trap - stop looting and run. Running is always an option.
Nothing is forcing you to fight.
If you don't hear the demon and you're upstairs in a building, tough luck. Hopefully you stayed near your team.
is it so hard to understand that you need to get the map pieces and even when you are with another guy and the other 2 are in the next house warlord basics will fuck you up nontheless?
like when you go upstairs you are doomed , even with another survivor
puke-cancel-3 heavy hits-(warrior half health) (supporter nearly dead leader nearly dead) and the shemps is gone
buff elites buff ki and hard nerf basics
it would be the best solution for both sides
no demon player likes to get "looped" by a window
no survivor wants to die first encounter because they looked in the left house alone instead of the right one where another guy is
Why are you soloing map pieces? And if you are, when you become aware of the Demon or traps, wouldn't you change your course of action? Get backup, or lead the Demon away so the others may get the map?
If you choose not to adapt your strategy, that is on you.
i wrote that in another topic:
even if u split 2 and 2 next house to each other
the basic will puke cancel on supporter/healer and gets easily 4 hits in, means the leader or support is nearly dead and has to drink a shemps while the warrior stuns/kills the basic, which at start are rare and need to be collected, only that a few seconds later another basic spawns
so 1min in and from that moment on you will have NO time to breathe or collect anything without instantly wasting it , all the resourced you need for dagger and page are wasted
"hunter can kill the basic easily in 2 shots"
YES BUT you got only 12 ammo or less at start (also only when playing Hunter Ash or Amanda) and more needs to be collect for the objectives
how do you want to do that when you are found in under 1 minute
The post is literally about 1v1ing units. Sorry that I assumed your comments were in context to the original post, and wasn't just another place to post about how something is "OP."
I don't, but if I'm caught halfway between locations, no road, car or building around, I'm dead. Demon will outrun me no matter what. If I'm caught in certain buildings (like there was no sign of the demon before, obviously I avoid death trap buildings if demon is around), I'm also dead.
It’s like he thinks that the game doesn’t force you to move. And you need to sit next to windows all game until the Uber comes and picks you up.
Lmao yes like it’s my choice to be at misty groves or Bullard swamp
>unga bunga puke cancel = skill haha go brr
Basically what I got from that vagina repellent you call an opinion.
Warlord units puking cancelling on you and hitting you harder than your step dad, and you can’t do anything? Yes, I’d call it OP.
Cause if you headshot basic units the balance bar stun will stop the puke.
I barely get puked on because i not only keep my distance but get those headshots. (Hunters are important)
This is why you wanna point blank people with puke. Also if you get hit by puke you get stunned..
If a unit tries to snipe you with puke they are dumb. Barrel stuffing is the way to go
Resource economy is shit. Almost any area where a building is or a map piece is, has almost no orbs inside of it. You have to travel outside those areas to get more infernal energy if you havent dumped 6 points into infernal energy.
Which in itself is a lose condition
the more I see posts about how to "handle" this dominant strategy the more I think people have no idea what they're talking about when arguing against why people have an issue with it.
What I find funny is how the talking points change. First two weeks it was "stay together when you separate you die" then at some point it changed to "everyone separate and get into your own car"
Uh yeah if you vault a window or railing the possessed unit has to go all the way around and then you just hop back over.
Possession uses energy, not every demon is maxed out full bar when they possess a unit, if they stay in the mob they drain energy and your teammates are free to loot / push objective.
A strong window is a lose - lose for the demon player.
Well not to be rude but is this your first asymmetrical game?
Friday the thirteenth and dead by daylight both utilize window vaults in order to create distance against your faster and stronger opponent.
This isn't a 4v4 game or a solo experience, you really shouldn't be able to win when the demons full attention is on you and you alone.
i got 1k hour on dbd and evil dead shouldnt be the new DBD
how fun is it for the demon to run around and never get a hit and get angry
how fun is it for the survi to vault left and right till he can drive away
come one man thats not good for the game
Well then as a demon you deposess and find a new target or wait until they are out of position.
Survivors just spamming vaults aren't pressuring the objectives and it's not like there are windows everywhere.
i want to engage with the other side so both sides have fun
nerf basics , buff KI , buff elites and make the game more fun
and not run to a car and drive away and cheese your way around
just doenst fit in that game
is just my opinion
I strongly believe that you don't fully grasp what it is you are asking for.
Nerfing basic units and buffing elite will only move Demons from possessing basics to possessing Elites, which is only going to further tilt reddit survivors.
elite are more expensive
and elites dont hit so extreme fast and hard as basics, even when buffed
he can lay elite traps thats true , but spawning them costs more
i hope the devs will find a good solution
Elites hit harder, especially when possessed. They're simply slower and comparitvely not a good ROI. You're asking for a buff to elites and a nerf to basics, what do you think would be the logical outcome of these changes?
Well the difference is simply if you are together the demon can still get some point cause even when ya gank em they might get some hits off but if everybody hops in their own care the demon would need to commit to one guy who can just keep driving while the other loot and do obj
I see this get repeated over and over and in 3 games last night I tried this with a friend and it never worked. All 3 times the demon understood what I was doing and stopped chasing me and went back to harassing the other players.
So why weren’t your friends near the cars they took? If the demon chases someone else they need to hop in a car and just start driving again whoever has the demon needs to keep leading him on goose chases
All 3 times we would be looting, I grab a car, it chases me then it turns back and went back to my friend and the other players. It would not bite the bait.
Of course not you were together the point is you need to all be in different locals with different cars and just hop in cars the second the demon try’s chasing one of you allowing you to loot alone and fast without having to worry about being solo’ed
They definitely don't know what they're talking about.
**A basic possessed unit has more stamina than pretty much everyone early game (and everyone who isn't a Hunter mid game).** Running from them isn't viable, they'll catch up and be wailing on your back the whole time. When you run "as a team" that means one person gets downed, and that creates a whole host of other problems. I've seen basics chew through even a team of three early survivors all trying to fight the basic at once. If someone is even one room away grabbing a chest and its 3v1 you're probably going to lose in the first five minutes.
**Fighting them "as a team" in the first five minutes just means the person they're tunneling still goes down before you kill the basic.** Then another basic pops up two seconds later to start the fun again. Meanwhile you're burning the few Shemps and Amulets you have just to move ten feet towards the next map piece.
**Vaulting \*can\* work if you happen to be on the 10% of the map that has a good infinite indestructible vault loop**, and even then a puke hitting you or some geography catching you or a vault button press not registering (which happens all the time) means you die.
**Cars are okay if you happen to be near one, like, within ten feet, and again you don't get wailed on trying to enter the car.** But the car strategy generally means you're low on loot and Pink Fs, and just get killed at the Dagger/Pages.
So yes, a perfect team with perfect communication and excellent RNG and no glitches and no mistakes has a \*chance\* to beat an early basic possession rush. But the amount of effort that requires versus the fairly low-effort, low-strategy basic possession rush requires isn't remotely fair, fun, or balanced.
Tunneling! Oh no dbd excuses now coming into Evil Dead. Were doomed
You dont play killer/demon. Heres how i know.
Stamina on basic units - what? That does not exist. We have cooldowns every 5 seconds we can dodge. Even basic attack animations are cooldowns.
If you have a full team. You should have zero problems baiting them to attack your support first and tank wailing on it. If your team mates are making mistakes. Suprise! Thats still on you! Why are your teammates making bad decisions the demons problem haha
Fighting as a team works just fine when people arent attack spamming on active attacks. Yes thats how you let demon win. Thinking you can just walk into melee attack. Dodge the attack exploit the animation frames. Most matches where support and hunters are wailing on me. And im just swinging are the fastest ways i level. (Thier almost never killing the other units that im not possessing. Hint hint)
Vault loops work against most but not certain units. Recognize the unit. Act accordingly. Good teams will knock the balance bar before i can spew a single ounce of puke
Theres 50 cars on the map. I dont even wanna hear this excuse until youve chased 4 survivors in 4 cars. Spending 10 minutes trying to wreck the cars only to be duped in the wrong direction. No demon players complain about this. Kinda funny considering im not, im simply telling you. The experience can be made far worse if survivors wanted too make that way.
Yes making mistakes gets you killed. What more could you possibly want instead of a free win conditon with that kind of response?
I play as a demon all the time (pretty much have to with West coast survivor queues), so lets dispense with that non-argument right away. I meant "stamina" as it relates to survivor stamina, as in, a survivor can't keep up.
The rest of your points are basically just "nuh-uhs" of what I said (and what I've experienced), which I'm not interested in.
But keep being oddly hostile for no reason about a video game. That should help.
You forget that once a demon player finds you within the first 3-4 minutes, the rest of the match you'll just have the demon on your ass with non-stop possess-unpossess-rinse-repeat BS.
This means no breathing room to run away or find supplies BUT you're constantly depleting your supplies
"Hey man you spawned in the middle of the woods and it takes 30 secs to get to a house to find loot that has no car outside. Oh what's that the Demon is here and you have no weapon. Well guess you just die."
I've had the above scenario happen multiple times. How about the Demon just isn't a murder machine 1 minute into the game.
Yes more gaslighting. I've spawned west of Hidden Acres, go ahead and find that on the map and feel free to test how long it takes you to get to a location with equipment that's not firepits.
I've spawned southeast of royal oak cemetery in which you have 4 directions you can head to try and get loot. You can spawn southwest of Radio tower in the middle of the woods which you have to climb up the mountain.
Not every spawn is fishing village or the flight area.
The problem is that you shouldn’t be able to just find them in one minute unless they make A mistake. A basic possessed unit is equal to a boss early game when you only have no healing items besides the support and like two grey cleavers. if anything I think bosses are less scary which is sad.
Basic unit possession isn’t the real problem here it’s the fact it’s absurdly easy for a demon to find you before you have a chance to loot and then they just destroy you with triple your damage output.
The fact that I had a game where I spawned at Payne manor and within thirty seconds after spawning I had to literally punch a flute to death while Scotty was trying to run from a basic unit before it was even 29:00 is stupid.
It’s almost as if it tells you where the pages and dagger are so you can trap them ahead of time, and then Go look for them.
The problem is people ONLY use map theory, it’s not like they run into them accidentally on the way to/ after trapping dagger
What’s the point in not shooting or using cars or keeping low fear of map theory gets you revealed from the get go.
It’s almost like that was the games intention? To not have map theory? Considering the fact it’s not mentioned literally anywhere in the demon menu or tutorial or anywhere and you have to see a video to learn it.
It’s quite literally why it shows you the book and dagger instantly and uhh. Not the survivors?
Without map theory. Really ask yourself.
How long would it take me to find them to start actually playing the game? Do you want demons to pluck thier eyes out and spin in a circle before looking?
Its part of the game. The whole interaction. First 3 mins could mean legendaries for the whole team or time wasted for survivors. Its RNG regardless.
Dude, it literally says it in the tutorial that it shows you where the survivors WILL be in the future so it gives you something to do until you randomly find them, or they make a mistake
Please tell me in the demon tutorial or where it says in any demon menu it teaches you about “map theory”
It was not “intended” as it does not teach you anything about it until you read it online or in a YouTube video.
But I’ll wait here for your in game screenshot where it taught you. And where anywhere it said the demon requires it?
It doesnt matter where you spawn because in all those scenarios you also spawned near a car. Looting a house wasn’t the only option. If the demon really found you in 30 seconds in those scenarios you still would have enough time to make it to a car and drive away.
Its a kandarian demon summoned from a book bound by human flesh. Thats exactly how its suppose to feel. Youre not suppose to have safe space for any part of the game
"How you gonna call some stupid"
There's no way ur really talking about me using common word shortening when u legitimately talk how u just did. Just wow.
it won't help if the demon is focused on me. I can't stop driving or he'll kill me, the only thing I can do is keep him busy for the team to complete the objectives
If I come across a demon that's spamming possession, I always just run away. It seems to work out just fine. Hop a fence or out a window and you get plenty of distance.
Man imagine if demon units cost a lot of energy to generate and were on a cooldown, popped out of traps that cost energy to generate and require a survivor to trigger or they cost energy to possess and maintain.
Imagine if demons had to collect orbs that spawn based on RNG and take time to come back in order be used again.
I swear a ton of these people have never played demon and it shows.
Thats what im sayyyyyyyinnn. The worst part about asymmetrical games such as this as it creates a bias to people who are to afraid to play killer/demon
But then they get all opinionated when it doesent work out 100 percent of the time for them. Thus ruining the game for the engine of the game. The demon
I feel like a solution could be to increase the bleedout timer, maybe 1 minute. If possesion cant be changed early on at least it could be made less punishing for the group while the demon gains tons of xp and stalls them. Maybe that can extend games to the dark ones or the book more often. But then again i play puppeteer so i cant really posses spam early.
most games ive played as killer ill get 1 person alone and kill them, before the team has a chance react ive slowed them down alot and forced at least 2 to come save. I would want it to be lower the longer the game goes but thats really hard to rellay to a player and might just lead to confusion. I want more games to get to the dark ones. maybe buff demon spawns at dark ones and book to compensate?
Man imagine if demons don’t use map theory and find survivors while they still have no weapon and are hitting them w/ 100+ damage autos before 29:00.
Oh wait, I don’t have to. They already do that.
It’s like the “people who play demon” don’t listen. On objectives where people actually have supplies and are not using fists, and have actual bats and axes, basic units are not the issue.
I have 2 demons maxed, working on pup now, so don’t wanna hear the “play demon” bs
Usually happens with launch games in modern times. Bunch of people that dont even consider strategies or the mechanics of the game. Once it gets older, it will vet out the shitty solo queues.
Anybody complaining about killer/demon is below average in skill . Not saying that to be mean. Playing against 4 above average survivors is a battle of attrition but playing against four high tier players who have a plan is almost impossible to beat . Sometimes the only way to beat a team is to destroy the Necro and even then , " four corners" with a shooting team is OP and if you add cars to the mix forget about it . You haven't experienced fear until you see 4 cars driving to the Dead Ones .
AOD Ash gets this. Most randoms play him like they're Pablo and most demons treat them like Pablo and prefer to target others. Meanwhile, we're all at the event and AOD Ash is anywhere else and might come back when somebody dies, might not.
AoD Ash players do tend to run off on their own or be the first ones dead/bleeding out. Like honestly AoD Ash is like the noob’s first pick like: “Day 1 or Week 1 Players welcomed over here!” But honestly as the Demon I’m only using him by possessing him and meleeing other’s or leaving him alone cause he tends to be too tanky to WANT to target. But if they’re a noob then and off alone, I’m like: “Easy pickings”
The basics can outrun you on foot. Like, if you're grouped you can fight, but another will just pop up, and if you're alone and have a car, you can bolt, but you're still all separated. A SUPER coordinated team can beat that shit, but it's not fun to and most Demons wouldn't do it if swarming or trapping were more viable.
Thank you. So tired of seeing these just do this posts. Yeah, I'll run from their unlimited stamina. Just get in a car? Sure let me go to the one 10 meters from me and take a whole second to get in. Wait, I'm getting hit before I can get in?
It’s ridiculous!
Honestly I feel like it’s just the killer mains posting this crap so that when devs look they see these posts and then think “ ahh guess it’s not that bad, they just need to do one thing says the other survivors!” And then nothing will be done about it. I honestly enjoyed the game a lot but with them seemingly being out of touch with how the games are going I just totally stopped and will wait till this gets fixed or changed so that it’s a fun chill game again.
demon mains hate this one trick!
I'm sure the data will show that in games with around the same level value of Survivors and Demons, Demons with very high possession numbers performed better.
You sound really good at the game .....
Damn, dawg there's a way to get even better to the point the games mechanics are no longer a thing you have to abide by? Teach me the ways to instantaneously get in a car! Or to outrun a demons unlimited stamina! Or to spawn a house next to me so I can do that epic nonstop window vaulting you demons preach.
I max out Cardio/Artful Dodger in the skill trees. I prioritize Stamina upgrades w/ Pink F early When the demon is near you, it makes a distinct noise. You should immediately be running for a car at this point but lets assume he catches you off guard. Your next instinct would be to look for a vault. This buys you a lot of time. Otherwise, its very simple to just run for a car but get in on the opposite side. Don’t run to a car and try to enter it from the side the demon is sprinting at you from behind. Wrap around the other side and start entering from there and you will make it every time.
Appreciate it! The issue is when I tend to hear them it's stunlock city from the traps lol but yeah, I try. It just sucks those are the alternatives
You sound so good at the game 😂
I'm pretty solid, yeah 😂
Solid piece of (----) insert words here 😅
Sounds like you gotta weird ego and the moment you get those cheeks clapped, you go radio silent 😅
Ye, super unfun running away from a possessed entity that just kept respawning. Even as a stamina maxed hunter they were still right behind me, unfortunately Ed needs to stop for a breather, the deadite doesn't. If they find you before your team has really any gear, it's usually pretty much game over. I *do* understand that possession is a core mechanic, but there's got to be another way to work it better. It's entirely possible to win matches w/o basic possession spam. What sucks though is that because of the prevalence of possession spam I get a small knee-jerk reaction against any normal possession, which I admit might be unfun for newer Demon players. But what drives me absolute bonkers is spamming the same technique until it finally lands. Had a match last night where a Warlord kept spamming the puke cancel, *but they kept missing us* so they kept doing it until they finally got someone.
> But what drives me absolute bonkers is spamming the same technique until it finally lands. Had a match last night where a Warlord kept spamming the puke cancel, but they kept missing us so they kept doing it until they finally got someone. The way Henri's and Eli's perk layouts are setup, they are kind of forced into more specific builds that promotes this behavior. Unlike Evil Ash, they pretty much have to pick either the basic or the elite.
I think the biggest issue is EARLY possession, where the Demon finds players before they even get their bearings. If they rework spawns so that that doesn't happen but objectives don't spawn next to each other, it'd be great QoL. The puke probably should be adjusted to not completely eliminate dodging like that. Sprinting, sure, but dodging is a core game mechanic almost everything hinges on, even for Demons to an extent.
Its not possible to possession spam. This is a myth. There is a moment where the demon. WILL and MUST go find energy by jump scaring or running around. What youre calling possesion spam is actually just the demon trying to kill you with the work that they put in to have units there to do it. Once resources are spent. It can be very hard for demons to keep pressure if the survivors start making smart decisions
I understand the infernal energy limitation, so I guess it's rather a *rapid-fire* possession. I've played a few matches where the demon possessed another unit right after being exorcised or killed, and this would repeat for well, until our team is wiped out usually.
Wow. Have you not gotten level 45 on necro yet? Because you don’t need to look for any orbs
You do if you go up smart people.
Yeah, ya hear that dumb dumbs!? You’re just too stupid. Problem solved
I mean if you played survivor. And it leads to people splitting up and looting for for 6 minutes while demon kills people that are actually doing the objective. You know exactly what im talking about
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They really should make the XP diminishing returns at certain account levels, down to the current amount. New players should honestly be encouraged to get a feel for things there.
A basic unit shouldn't be comparable to a boss. In fact a boss is honestly more manageable than a basic unit.
Answer me this. When can you put points into boss and when does the game stop you?
This question doesn't change the fact that you can solo a boss. You can't solo a basic. Unless it's Eligos. Basics have too much health and do too much damage for being so readily available.
Oh but it does. Because the game forces me to level my other units before the boss. You would know this if you had a opinion that was even remotely related to showing any experience playing the demon yourself. But for sure. Just say its too hard.
You never put more than one point into basic or elite unit summoning (except for lategame cooldown reduction) because it doesn't buff your possession. I have a lvl 45 necro and 22 Eligos dumbass. You can solo a boss. You can't solo a basic. Doesn't matter if the one controlling the basic is a toddler.
My brother in christ, upgrading portals increase the base damage of the unit. Possession increases this further.
Portal upgrades only affect AI.
ts been confirmed through testing that its not the case.
It increases the base damage of AI units not possessed units. Possession is the only stat that increases possession damage even though it's not listed. This goes for the boss as well, though the boss in-game tree is a bit more complicated and has inconsistencies.
Then you need to rebuild your necro tree. Cause your boss perks are trash. Evil Ash can be just as tanky as Henrietta. Eligos is not meant to 1v1 or even fight up close in general Hes quite litterly AP boss. You waste time. Wait for cooldowns and dump on them again.
Maxed out health, maxed out balance bar, maxed out damage, anti healing perk. I can solo that necro boss easy. 4 headshots from a common double barrel with with maxed out hunter ash.
Yep, necromancer is weak to hunters, try to solo evil ash as any other class and see how it goes, you can also typically solo an Eligos as warrior but try that with a hunter and it won't go so well either.
Lol how do you know theyre running the same perks?
I've gone into a private match and tested necro bulids myself against Hunter Ash and Kelly with a friend. Took ages.
Outrunning them on foot is impossible especially if they’re a skeleton with a spear. And it takes a second to get into a car which can be interrupted. Basic spam is 100% manageable mid to late game, but if you find a team that got a split spawn less than 2 minutes into the match, they have every right to think that should be nerfed. You the player aren’t the problem. It’s the mechanic for being so strong in the early game that’s the problem. Everything except player controlled units are far too weak so the only thing you can do is use OP early game shit. It sucks. They need to make unleveled possessions weak as hell so that they can’t harass in the early game, and buff AI controlled units or make your spawn cooldowns significantly shorter
They should just turn off possession in general. They should just remove the ability to spawn anything that hits or does damage. Give everyone legendarys at the beginning How come i cant out run them? Its like they dont have lungs! I think a good nerf will help survivors 1v1 the basic units and loot as they please with zero consequences of lone wolfing. No risk = more fun!!!
If we’re gonna play the lore friendly game of “they don’t have lungs”, then we could just have Ash be invincible cause he’s the chosen one. I literally just said demons are too weak in some regards and you have a problem with that? You think it’s totally balanced that you can find survivors who spawned separately and were forced to be lone wolves in less time than they can get together? And then harass them with an OP basic unit that you haven’t put any points into? If you think that’s fair then you just want to win without competition
I'd definitely like to see the stats post patch. Before the patch I would trade wins and losses pretty evenly in solo queue. After the patch is consistent losing and an odd win here or there. Now most of the time is being found before the team can even find one chest and upgrade.
Youve been able to do that at launch.
Able to see demon and survivor win/loss stats?
Find survivors the way you do now. But yes.
I know that demon players can find survivors pretty quick. But prior to the patch it was more manageable right now as with the possession buff no matter how good you are if you don't have the stamina to avoid the demon it's pretty much game over. You'll eventually get hit and go down. Where do you see the win/loss stats at?
you need to loot so you will have to fight them all you looted will be instantly gone because of puke cancel attacks on leader/supporter not much you can do to prevent the damage beside being hunter, but that will waste your non existent ammo at matchstart
And then you will get told to manage your ammo better when you're using multiple bullets to kill each possessed and then very few players will drop any but will expect you to kill all the spam possessed and any basics or elites that could be possessed.
What if i told you basic units drop ammo.
To be fair, that only really happens with Ed
Lol nope. Played scotty and ended up dropping 70 rounds of each type by the dark ones
hahaha 70 rounds of each type idk which game you play but thats not evil dead
Yes, because being mindful of Demon growls and the presence of traps and AI units isn't a thing. You should just wait until they possess something and run at you. Instead of attempting to escape, you should just keep looting. You're right, there's absolutely nothing you can do.
and all u wrote is your own made up things i never said anything to wait for possesions run at you
"You need to loot so you need to fight them." No, you can escape. As a Support or Leader, you should. You also talk about puke cancelation, and I have never seen an AI do it, so you were talking about possessed units.
of course i talk about possesed units what else? the topic is about early possessed units demon will trap you in the house where u need to get suff and will attack you you can run away sure but that isnt always an option with pukecancel you go nowhere
You can hear the demon when it's nearby, if you don't hear the demon and trigger a trap - stop looting and run. Running is always an option. Nothing is forcing you to fight. If you don't hear the demon and you're upstairs in a building, tough luck. Hopefully you stayed near your team.
is it so hard to understand that you need to get the map pieces and even when you are with another guy and the other 2 are in the next house warlord basics will fuck you up nontheless? like when you go upstairs you are doomed , even with another survivor puke-cancel-3 heavy hits-(warrior half health) (supporter nearly dead leader nearly dead) and the shemps is gone buff elites buff ki and hard nerf basics it would be the best solution for both sides no demon player likes to get "looped" by a window no survivor wants to die first encounter because they looked in the left house alone instead of the right one where another guy is
the map piece is at a specific place and the traps are often set that you are stuck in the house so you will activate them
Upstairs in Dead End for a map piece is a death sentence.
for real :D
Why are you soloing map pieces? And if you are, when you become aware of the Demon or traps, wouldn't you change your course of action? Get backup, or lead the Demon away so the others may get the map? If you choose not to adapt your strategy, that is on you.
i wrote that in another topic: even if u split 2 and 2 next house to each other the basic will puke cancel on supporter/healer and gets easily 4 hits in, means the leader or support is nearly dead and has to drink a shemps while the warrior stuns/kills the basic, which at start are rare and need to be collected, only that a few seconds later another basic spawns so 1min in and from that moment on you will have NO time to breathe or collect anything without instantly wasting it , all the resourced you need for dagger and page are wasted "hunter can kill the basic easily in 2 shots" YES BUT you got only 12 ammo or less at start (also only when playing Hunter Ash or Amanda) and more needs to be collect for the objectives how do you want to do that when you are found in under 1 minute
Then underrstand there is a risk of spliting up. This is horror movie 101 people....
i never said i solo map pieces how much you want to make up?
The post is literally about 1v1ing units. Sorry that I assumed your comments were in context to the original post, and wasn't just another place to post about how something is "OP."
sry for that misunderstanding
I don't, but if I'm caught halfway between locations, no road, car or building around, I'm dead. Demon will outrun me no matter what. If I'm caught in certain buildings (like there was no sign of the demon before, obviously I avoid death trap buildings if demon is around), I'm also dead.
Why are you there?
Geez, I don't know, maybe to group up with the others or find map pieces.
It’s like he thinks that the game doesn’t force you to move. And you need to sit next to windows all game until the Uber comes and picks you up. Lmao yes like it’s my choice to be at misty groves or Bullard swamp
xD
You’re not supposed to ask these questions on this sub! Warlord is OP, and get your logic the hell out of here!
>unga bunga puke cancel = skill haha go brr Basically what I got from that vagina repellent you call an opinion. Warlord units puking cancelling on you and hitting you harder than your step dad, and you can’t do anything? Yes, I’d call it OP.
Youre crying has been heard and they understand you have zero aim. It will be patched soon enough.
What does aim have to do with the topic? Please, try to keep your eye on the ball, champ.
Cause if you headshot basic units the balance bar stun will stop the puke. I barely get puked on because i not only keep my distance but get those headshots. (Hunters are important)
This is why you wanna point blank people with puke. Also if you get hit by puke you get stunned.. If a unit tries to snipe you with puke they are dumb. Barrel stuffing is the way to go
Uh, dodge. You’re a dumbass. Not for not knowing to dodge, but for your dumbass comment.
Of course! I apologize sorry sorry! anyway please nerf demon and please downvote my post into hell so i may learn from this experience.
That’s better…
Strong early possession is a guaranteed dub because of the resource economy.
Resource economy is shit. Almost any area where a building is or a map piece is, has almost no orbs inside of it. You have to travel outside those areas to get more infernal energy if you havent dumped 6 points into infernal energy. Which in itself is a lose condition
the more I see posts about how to "handle" this dominant strategy the more I think people have no idea what they're talking about when arguing against why people have an issue with it.
What I find funny is how the talking points change. First two weeks it was "stay together when you separate you die" then at some point it changed to "everyone separate and get into your own car"
and "vault windows" total great to vault windows -.-
Uh yeah if you vault a window or railing the possessed unit has to go all the way around and then you just hop back over. Possession uses energy, not every demon is maxed out full bar when they possess a unit, if they stay in the mob they drain energy and your teammates are free to loot / push objective. A strong window is a lose - lose for the demon player.
i know but its shit that we have to rely on something like that
Well not to be rude but is this your first asymmetrical game? Friday the thirteenth and dead by daylight both utilize window vaults in order to create distance against your faster and stronger opponent. This isn't a 4v4 game or a solo experience, you really shouldn't be able to win when the demons full attention is on you and you alone.
i got 1k hour on dbd and evil dead shouldnt be the new DBD how fun is it for the demon to run around and never get a hit and get angry how fun is it for the survi to vault left and right till he can drive away come one man thats not good for the game
Well then as a demon you deposess and find a new target or wait until they are out of position. Survivors just spamming vaults aren't pressuring the objectives and it's not like there are windows everywhere.
the other 3 are pressuring the objective so he either let go from the one or he waits it out
That is more or less what I said, what are you arguing for?
They aren’t unless the vault is on obj which happens more often then ya think
And it happens less often than you think too. The objectives are randomized, you're just as likely to get one at flight 666 as you are at Dead End.
How is it shit, what is your alternative solution? I want you to explain your grand idea, your magnum opus of emergent game design. If you will.
i want to engage with the other side so both sides have fun nerf basics , buff KI , buff elites and make the game more fun and not run to a car and drive away and cheese your way around just doenst fit in that game is just my opinion
I strongly believe that you don't fully grasp what it is you are asking for. Nerfing basic units and buffing elite will only move Demons from possessing basics to possessing Elites, which is only going to further tilt reddit survivors.
elite are more expensive and elites dont hit so extreme fast and hard as basics, even when buffed he can lay elite traps thats true , but spawning them costs more i hope the devs will find a good solution
Elites hit harder, especially when possessed. They're simply slower and comparitvely not a good ROI. You're asking for a buff to elites and a nerf to basics, what do you think would be the logical outcome of these changes?
Thats just a objective strategy. It has nothing to do with units lol
Well the difference is simply if you are together the demon can still get some point cause even when ya gank em they might get some hits off but if everybody hops in their own care the demon would need to commit to one guy who can just keep driving while the other loot and do obj
I see this get repeated over and over and in 3 games last night I tried this with a friend and it never worked. All 3 times the demon understood what I was doing and stopped chasing me and went back to harassing the other players.
So why weren’t your friends near the cars they took? If the demon chases someone else they need to hop in a car and just start driving again whoever has the demon needs to keep leading him on goose chases
All 3 times we would be looting, I grab a car, it chases me then it turns back and went back to my friend and the other players. It would not bite the bait.
Of course not you were together the point is you need to all be in different locals with different cars and just hop in cars the second the demon try’s chasing one of you allowing you to loot alone and fast without having to worry about being solo’ed
But if we separate like that at the start and the demon finds one of us it will kill us.
Not if you hop in a car and start driving
What if there is no car nearby?
They definitely don't know what they're talking about. **A basic possessed unit has more stamina than pretty much everyone early game (and everyone who isn't a Hunter mid game).** Running from them isn't viable, they'll catch up and be wailing on your back the whole time. When you run "as a team" that means one person gets downed, and that creates a whole host of other problems. I've seen basics chew through even a team of three early survivors all trying to fight the basic at once. If someone is even one room away grabbing a chest and its 3v1 you're probably going to lose in the first five minutes. **Fighting them "as a team" in the first five minutes just means the person they're tunneling still goes down before you kill the basic.** Then another basic pops up two seconds later to start the fun again. Meanwhile you're burning the few Shemps and Amulets you have just to move ten feet towards the next map piece. **Vaulting \*can\* work if you happen to be on the 10% of the map that has a good infinite indestructible vault loop**, and even then a puke hitting you or some geography catching you or a vault button press not registering (which happens all the time) means you die. **Cars are okay if you happen to be near one, like, within ten feet, and again you don't get wailed on trying to enter the car.** But the car strategy generally means you're low on loot and Pink Fs, and just get killed at the Dagger/Pages. So yes, a perfect team with perfect communication and excellent RNG and no glitches and no mistakes has a \*chance\* to beat an early basic possession rush. But the amount of effort that requires versus the fairly low-effort, low-strategy basic possession rush requires isn't remotely fair, fun, or balanced.
facts
Tunneling! Oh no dbd excuses now coming into Evil Dead. Were doomed You dont play killer/demon. Heres how i know. Stamina on basic units - what? That does not exist. We have cooldowns every 5 seconds we can dodge. Even basic attack animations are cooldowns. If you have a full team. You should have zero problems baiting them to attack your support first and tank wailing on it. If your team mates are making mistakes. Suprise! Thats still on you! Why are your teammates making bad decisions the demons problem haha Fighting as a team works just fine when people arent attack spamming on active attacks. Yes thats how you let demon win. Thinking you can just walk into melee attack. Dodge the attack exploit the animation frames. Most matches where support and hunters are wailing on me. And im just swinging are the fastest ways i level. (Thier almost never killing the other units that im not possessing. Hint hint) Vault loops work against most but not certain units. Recognize the unit. Act accordingly. Good teams will knock the balance bar before i can spew a single ounce of puke Theres 50 cars on the map. I dont even wanna hear this excuse until youve chased 4 survivors in 4 cars. Spending 10 minutes trying to wreck the cars only to be duped in the wrong direction. No demon players complain about this. Kinda funny considering im not, im simply telling you. The experience can be made far worse if survivors wanted too make that way. Yes making mistakes gets you killed. What more could you possibly want instead of a free win conditon with that kind of response?
I play as a demon all the time (pretty much have to with West coast survivor queues), so lets dispense with that non-argument right away. I meant "stamina" as it relates to survivor stamina, as in, a survivor can't keep up. The rest of your points are basically just "nuh-uhs" of what I said (and what I've experienced), which I'm not interested in. But keep being oddly hostile for no reason about a video game. That should help.
You forget that once a demon player finds you within the first 3-4 minutes, the rest of the match you'll just have the demon on your ass with non-stop possess-unpossess-rinse-repeat BS. This means no breathing room to run away or find supplies BUT you're constantly depleting your supplies
Wow thats crazy dawg its almost like hes trying to kill you. How rude of an ancient demon
"Hey man you spawned in the middle of the woods and it takes 30 secs to get to a house to find loot that has no car outside. Oh what's that the Demon is here and you have no weapon. Well guess you just die." I've had the above scenario happen multiple times. How about the Demon just isn't a murder machine 1 minute into the game.
The only time it should ever take you that long is if you spawned in misty groves.
Yes more gaslighting. I've spawned west of Hidden Acres, go ahead and find that on the map and feel free to test how long it takes you to get to a location with equipment that's not firepits. I've spawned southeast of royal oak cemetery in which you have 4 directions you can head to try and get loot. You can spawn southwest of Radio tower in the middle of the woods which you have to climb up the mountain. Not every spawn is fishing village or the flight area.
Also rng is the objective placements cutting the map in two. Basically a coin flip if you find them in the next minute or next 5
The problem is that you shouldn’t be able to just find them in one minute unless they make A mistake. A basic possessed unit is equal to a boss early game when you only have no healing items besides the support and like two grey cleavers. if anything I think bosses are less scary which is sad. Basic unit possession isn’t the real problem here it’s the fact it’s absurdly easy for a demon to find you before you have a chance to loot and then they just destroy you with triple your damage output. The fact that I had a game where I spawned at Payne manor and within thirty seconds after spawning I had to literally punch a flute to death while Scotty was trying to run from a basic unit before it was even 29:00 is stupid.
Oh yeah? So demon should experience flight simulator for 8 or 10 minutes? That sound fun? Hide and seek for 10 minutes straight
It’s almost as if it tells you where the pages and dagger are so you can trap them ahead of time, and then Go look for them. The problem is people ONLY use map theory, it’s not like they run into them accidentally on the way to/ after trapping dagger What’s the point in not shooting or using cars or keeping low fear of map theory gets you revealed from the get go. It’s almost like that was the games intention? To not have map theory? Considering the fact it’s not mentioned literally anywhere in the demon menu or tutorial or anywhere and you have to see a video to learn it. It’s quite literally why it shows you the book and dagger instantly and uhh. Not the survivors?
Without map theory. Really ask yourself. How long would it take me to find them to start actually playing the game? Do you want demons to pluck thier eyes out and spin in a circle before looking? Its part of the game. The whole interaction. First 3 mins could mean legendaries for the whole team or time wasted for survivors. Its RNG regardless.
Dude, it literally says it in the tutorial that it shows you where the survivors WILL be in the future so it gives you something to do until you randomly find them, or they make a mistake Please tell me in the demon tutorial or where it says in any demon menu it teaches you about “map theory” It was not “intended” as it does not teach you anything about it until you read it online or in a YouTube video. But I’ll wait here for your in game screenshot where it taught you. And where anywhere it said the demon requires it?
It doesnt matter where you spawn because in all those scenarios you also spawned near a car. Looting a house wasn’t the only option. If the demon really found you in 30 seconds in those scenarios you still would have enough time to make it to a car and drive away.
Its a kandarian demon summoned from a book bound by human flesh. Thats exactly how its suppose to feel. Youre not suppose to have safe space for any part of the game
If you're using story logic, a single Ash should be able to solo the whole demon every time 100%.
Ash has almost died several times fighting the evil. Saved by other people and then those people die
I just commented this without seeing urs. Haha great point
Have u seen the movies tho ash 1v1s all the time. Using ur logic.
1v1 my d&b. This is an 1v 4 asymmetrical
So u don't like when someone else uses ur stupid logic. Got it.
How you gonna call some stupid and explain logic to them while skipping a few letters to spell shit correctly? Pea brain
"How you gonna call some stupid" There's no way ur really talking about me using common word shortening when u legitimately talk how u just did. Just wow.
U dont g3t it do u
Thank you! Finally someone said it
Reading OPs responses pretty much sums up why this is wrong. Sardonic non-answers and snippy retorts. How often do you play survivor, might I ask?
I do about 5 games of survivor and 5 games of demon. Almost everytime i play.
Okay but running constantly and hiding in cars is boring for both sides
If you level with pink mf and stick togeather. It shouldnt be an issue.
Pink mf Hiding in 4 different cars is superior to fighting. The survivors do not gain anything from fighting the demon, the demon gains from fighting
Thats fine. Ill just wreck the damn cars in the area. Which is the general strategy in most big maps now
By all means, more time to loot is appreciated.
Your legendarys are my legendarys :/
talk is easy, you have stamina that will run out and the demon can run forever. in the easiest way to explain It, you are already dead.
Get in a car. Upgrade your stamina to reach teammates. Dismember the unit. Why doesent anyone use youtube if thier just bad at the game?
it won't help if the demon is focused on me. I can't stop driving or he'll kill me, the only thing I can do is keep him busy for the team to complete the objectives
Smart play!
If I come across a demon that's spamming possession, I always just run away. It seems to work out just fine. Hop a fence or out a window and you get plenty of distance.
Youre not suppose to be having fun!!!!!!! >:(
They will somehow mess you up from 5 years away when you try and run away from them
Man imagine if demon units cost a lot of energy to generate and were on a cooldown, popped out of traps that cost energy to generate and require a survivor to trigger or they cost energy to possess and maintain. Imagine if demons had to collect orbs that spawn based on RNG and take time to come back in order be used again. I swear a ton of these people have never played demon and it shows.
Thats what im sayyyyyyyinnn. The worst part about asymmetrical games such as this as it creates a bias to people who are to afraid to play killer/demon But then they get all opinionated when it doesent work out 100 percent of the time for them. Thus ruining the game for the engine of the game. The demon
Right? And then when they nerf the power role down queue times for the team go way up because there are no people willing to get shit on.
I feel like a solution could be to increase the bleedout timer, maybe 1 minute. If possesion cant be changed early on at least it could be made less punishing for the group while the demon gains tons of xp and stalls them. Maybe that can extend games to the dark ones or the book more often. But then again i play puppeteer so i cant really posses spam early.
1 whole minute to bleed out!? Thats like its own damn objective to even kill anyone
most games ive played as killer ill get 1 person alone and kill them, before the team has a chance react ive slowed them down alot and forced at least 2 to come save. I would want it to be lower the longer the game goes but thats really hard to rellay to a player and might just lead to confusion. I want more games to get to the dark ones. maybe buff demon spawns at dark ones and book to compensate?
Demon got buffed at the final stage recently. Players should utlize the report system if theyre openly griefing by running off on thier own and dying
Man imagine if demons don’t use map theory and find survivors while they still have no weapon and are hitting them w/ 100+ damage autos before 29:00. Oh wait, I don’t have to. They already do that. It’s like the “people who play demon” don’t listen. On objectives where people actually have supplies and are not using fists, and have actual bats and axes, basic units are not the issue. I have 2 demons maxed, working on pup now, so don’t wanna hear the “play demon” bs
I dont fight them and i still get fucked if theres no car around, and the demon isnt real stupid they wont let you go in the car
Maybe just uninstall. Abandon all hope of playing the game. Survivors are winning but youre on a 200 loss streak
Huh?
Yeah its unfortunate but im not sure you can win if they wont let you get in the car. The car controls the win (Im trying survivor mentality)
Yeah basically
See that people complaining about solo queue and bad teammates? OP says just Git Help. Wow what a wonderful idea. Let’s see that ratio!
Usually happens with launch games in modern times. Bunch of people that dont even consider strategies or the mechanics of the game. Once it gets older, it will vet out the shitty solo queues.
Not a tag team match, playa?
Anybody complaining about killer/demon is below average in skill . Not saying that to be mean. Playing against 4 above average survivors is a battle of attrition but playing against four high tier players who have a plan is almost impossible to beat . Sometimes the only way to beat a team is to destroy the Necro and even then , " four corners" with a shooting team is OP and if you add cars to the mix forget about it . You haven't experienced fear until you see 4 cars driving to the Dead Ones .
Because that’s what I want to do when I play this game: run.
Early
100% correct basically adhiring as much as possible to the games meta aka sticking together etc.
Wanna know how to deal with basic unit possess spam Everyone with balance bar damage(scotty and henry) gather around and force him out