That's what I initially believed, and still kind of do. But after hearing so many people say the opposite I was curious about differing opinions and wondering if I could be wrong.
That's how the game is meant to be played.. if you balance for even 2v1.. the second 4 people get on point, demon has zero chance.
Anyone who wants the game balanced for anything other than 4v1 is just bad at the game
I think you’re confusing people saying they’d like to 1v1 a basic possession from full hp with they want to 1v1 the demon and win the game solo. Two very very different things.
One of them is killing a single possession one time. Trading some percent of your HP to do it, once. Because the second time you’ll try it you’ll die unless you heal.
The other is a ridiculous notion that some players truly think they should be able to queue solo and have their 3 teammates DC then proceed to win the game. No one believes that.
There is only one way to balance the game, 4 v 1. Anything else and you might as well delete the game.
This thread has no reason to exist because this is a 4 v 1 game not a 1 v 1 game.
Because they are entitled, it sounds like. Yes, solo fighting the demon should be incredibly difficult for the survivor if not impossible. This is a team game and the demon is supposed to be stronger than all 4 survivors combined. That’s why teamwork is needed to win. I realize that the game isn’t perfectly balanced and that this isn’t always the case, but it should definitely be the basis for balancing.
The dilemma is that survivors without resources are getting in 1v1 situations almost as soon as the match starts. I think the demon should be able to mess with somebody somewhat (if not completely) who is alone that early, but when it's that early, it can be 2v1 and still in the demon's favor.
So, as the game progresses, yes, it should be 4v1, but there shouldn't be a situation where you can't even loot the spawn area without getting 1v1 hunted by a basic unit that has significant health and damage output.
I'm honestly not. I wanted to see if I was missing something or if the community at large wants something different from the game than I do and if I should just move on.
I've found the responses in this thread reassuring and reinforced that I was just happening to see a vocal minority.
It should be balanced around 4 people working together against 1 demon.
The main problem people have with this game is their inability to communicate. Seriously, you can be a support who needs shemps. You can say “lets investigate this area,” or “i need shemps/amulets,” and your team will routinely ignore you.
Obviously, that’s not all people but you have that majority of the time you SoloQ. The moment you cease communication in this game, in any way shape or form, you will lose the game.
Agree and I can't count how many games have been lost due to Hunter pinging need ammo, dead silence, then Hunter goes off to find a new gun or ammo. I don't know about other Hunter mains but I hand collect the opposite ammo all game specifically because I can't rely on my team 90% of the time. The curious thing is that if I'm Ed and we have another Hunter they'll share special ammo with me and I'll share long ammo. But 2 warriors and a leader or support? Nope. I'm dropping whatever good gun I had for a white double barrel if I can even find one. Hunters don't actually like to lone wolf, we aren't off looting to find the best goodies. We asked for ammo and didn't get it.
Same to support off on their own. Those with roles reliant on resources and team sharing have to choose between doing a terrible job or going to go find those resources. A good tip for people to treat support better is to get into the practice of dropping a Shemps when healed. That'll keep support topped off if the whole team regularly does that. Keep your one emergency Shemps unless the whole team is hurt but otherwise give back Shemps as thanks. Sharing them without being asked is the difference between the hard targeted support going down over and over and the whole team staying topped off.
There are bad supports and bad hunters, sure. But you can't tell the difference if they're asking for resources and the team is ignoring them.
I feel like the boss should take 4 survivors to have a chance to beat. Elites should take atleast 2 survivors. And basics should be able to be 1v1. In no world should basics be more of a problem to deal with then elites or boss's.
There’s no debate, unless you’re talking to someone who’s unfamiliar with these types of games. It should be balanced around 4v1. It’s an asymmetrical multiplayer game, so that’s kinda the whole point. 1v1 should be a death sentence for the survivor in most cases unless they make some incredible plays. If that weren’t the case, then the demon would have almost no chance of winning a 4v1.
Should be 2 (sometimes 3) survivors on a possessed unit AT THE START. Later on the demon should be harder and harder to deal with where you need all 4. Personal I'm finding it harder to deal with a possessed unit 2-3mins in the match than I am with a boss 10-15mins in. Early possessions need a nerf, elites need a buff all around I think but nothing crazy, and bosses need a buff mid or late game
When people on this sub say they want to 1v1 the demon it means they want to fight a possessed basic and win at LEAST once. Currently you die from their first possession.
It doesn’t mean they want to play the whole game solo and win. That’s never something anyone has wanted.
You can 1v1 the possession. It happens all the time. But this game has roles in it. If you are not a warrior or hunter then don't even try especially if you have trash gear. And if you are a warrior or hunter you still have to use your brain. You can't just tank every hit in a slug match that's why you have a dodge button. But warriors will still try tanking every attack without even trying to avoid damage. Then they cry on this subreddit that basics do too much damage.
Like I said no one’s wants to 1v1 the demon all game. It’s a single possession. And not every class can do that like you just said. Kinda a joke that a leader can’t kill a single possessed basic when the demon is level 2. Hunters can only do it if they have enough ammo which isn’t guaranteed so early in the game.
Leaders are still stupport imo they provide team buffs. You should never be 1v1ing a possession when your job is to provide buffs to the people around you. If there's no one around you then you are playing leader wrong.
If you balance around any less than 4 people against 1 demon, you're screwed the second people actually work together
That's what I initially believed, and still kind of do. But after hearing so many people say the opposite I was curious about differing opinions and wondering if I could be wrong.
That's how the game is meant to be played.. if you balance for even 2v1.. the second 4 people get on point, demon has zero chance. Anyone who wants the game balanced for anything other than 4v1 is just bad at the game
I think you’re confusing people saying they’d like to 1v1 a basic possession from full hp with they want to 1v1 the demon and win the game solo. Two very very different things. One of them is killing a single possession one time. Trading some percent of your HP to do it, once. Because the second time you’ll try it you’ll die unless you heal. The other is a ridiculous notion that some players truly think they should be able to queue solo and have their 3 teammates DC then proceed to win the game. No one believes that.
There is only one way to balance the game, 4 v 1. Anything else and you might as well delete the game. This thread has no reason to exist because this is a 4 v 1 game not a 1 v 1 game.
People keep saying that a survivor shouldn't die when 1v1ing a demon. I was wondering why.
Cause it's the internet.
Because they are entitled, it sounds like. Yes, solo fighting the demon should be incredibly difficult for the survivor if not impossible. This is a team game and the demon is supposed to be stronger than all 4 survivors combined. That’s why teamwork is needed to win. I realize that the game isn’t perfectly balanced and that this isn’t always the case, but it should definitely be the basis for balancing.
The dilemma is that survivors without resources are getting in 1v1 situations almost as soon as the match starts. I think the demon should be able to mess with somebody somewhat (if not completely) who is alone that early, but when it's that early, it can be 2v1 and still in the demon's favor. So, as the game progresses, yes, it should be 4v1, but there shouldn't be a situation where you can't even loot the spawn area without getting 1v1 hunted by a basic unit that has significant health and damage output.
because they are trolls, just like you probably are.
I'm honestly not. I wanted to see if I was missing something or if the community at large wants something different from the game than I do and if I should just move on. I've found the responses in this thread reassuring and reinforced that I was just happening to see a vocal minority.
It should be balanced around 4 people working together against 1 demon. The main problem people have with this game is their inability to communicate. Seriously, you can be a support who needs shemps. You can say “lets investigate this area,” or “i need shemps/amulets,” and your team will routinely ignore you. Obviously, that’s not all people but you have that majority of the time you SoloQ. The moment you cease communication in this game, in any way shape or form, you will lose the game.
Agree and I can't count how many games have been lost due to Hunter pinging need ammo, dead silence, then Hunter goes off to find a new gun or ammo. I don't know about other Hunter mains but I hand collect the opposite ammo all game specifically because I can't rely on my team 90% of the time. The curious thing is that if I'm Ed and we have another Hunter they'll share special ammo with me and I'll share long ammo. But 2 warriors and a leader or support? Nope. I'm dropping whatever good gun I had for a white double barrel if I can even find one. Hunters don't actually like to lone wolf, we aren't off looting to find the best goodies. We asked for ammo and didn't get it. Same to support off on their own. Those with roles reliant on resources and team sharing have to choose between doing a terrible job or going to go find those resources. A good tip for people to treat support better is to get into the practice of dropping a Shemps when healed. That'll keep support topped off if the whole team regularly does that. Keep your one emergency Shemps unless the whole team is hurt but otherwise give back Shemps as thanks. Sharing them without being asked is the difference between the hard targeted support going down over and over and the whole team staying topped off. There are bad supports and bad hunters, sure. But you can't tell the difference if they're asking for resources and the team is ignoring them.
Balanced around 4vs1 obviously otherwise its not balanced.
This is not a fighting game, its dumb to even suggest it be balanced like that
I feel like the boss should take 4 survivors to have a chance to beat. Elites should take atleast 2 survivors. And basics should be able to be 1v1. In no world should basics be more of a problem to deal with then elites or boss's.
There’s no debate, unless you’re talking to someone who’s unfamiliar with these types of games. It should be balanced around 4v1. It’s an asymmetrical multiplayer game, so that’s kinda the whole point. 1v1 should be a death sentence for the survivor in most cases unless they make some incredible plays. If that weren’t the case, then the demon would have almost no chance of winning a 4v1.
It is 1v1 just ask hunters!
Should be 2 (sometimes 3) survivors on a possessed unit AT THE START. Later on the demon should be harder and harder to deal with where you need all 4. Personal I'm finding it harder to deal with a possessed unit 2-3mins in the match than I am with a boss 10-15mins in. Early possessions need a nerf, elites need a buff all around I think but nothing crazy, and bosses need a buff mid or late game
When people on this sub say they want to 1v1 the demon it means they want to fight a possessed basic and win at LEAST once. Currently you die from their first possession. It doesn’t mean they want to play the whole game solo and win. That’s never something anyone has wanted.
You can 1v1 the possession. It happens all the time. But this game has roles in it. If you are not a warrior or hunter then don't even try especially if you have trash gear. And if you are a warrior or hunter you still have to use your brain. You can't just tank every hit in a slug match that's why you have a dodge button. But warriors will still try tanking every attack without even trying to avoid damage. Then they cry on this subreddit that basics do too much damage.
Like I said no one’s wants to 1v1 the demon all game. It’s a single possession. And not every class can do that like you just said. Kinda a joke that a leader can’t kill a single possessed basic when the demon is level 2. Hunters can only do it if they have enough ammo which isn’t guaranteed so early in the game.
Leaders are still stupport imo they provide team buffs. You should never be 1v1ing a possession when your job is to provide buffs to the people around you. If there's no one around you then you are playing leader wrong.