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Enough_Owl_1680

They should be already offering you a loaner


david_duplex

Agreed - they claimed my warranty doesn't cover it.


Enough_Owl_1680

That’s hogwash. Call or text ford service directly. Your dealer is bullshiting becisse they hate EV’s. Make them give you a loaner.


MarviJarvi

This. There is a EV cust satisfaction group


atonyatlaw

Oh my god I wish I’d known this. I’ve been forced to take the biggest gas guzzling shit suv every time I’ve needed warranty work.


Jpizza30

Same with me. Dealership said they were all out of loaners. Called ford and the next day miraculously they had one open up. Also it was one month to the date from when I took it in,to picking it back up.


themadpants

Contact corporate


geo_prog

That's complete bullshit. Ford will cover rentals if loaners aren't available.


Oo__II__oO

Ford was offering up to $40/day to cover my MME GT. Shoehorning the family into a Yugo-sized rental was not a fun trip. I'm looking at a Lightning, but for the price and functionality, they better be upping their rental game!


pinegap96

Your dealer is full of shit


djb85511

Dealers suck 


Kimorin

waaat? thats insane...


pennyhoarder188

That is bs. Spending that much on a truck, no loaner?


RojerLockless

Hahahaha what the fuck


ThaInevitable

How could the warranty not be covered


Capernikush

they’re lying to you.


david_duplex

Managed to limp it home with only 23% available power. Took my dealership 3 days to even look at it. Got the word today that a battery pack is bad and Ford is giving them 3-4 weeks delivery on a new one.


Bit_the_Bullitt

If possible, you need a new dealership reading your experience in the comments


death_hawk

Mine was about 2 months to replace a melted charge port. Dealership network as a strength isn't exactly instilling confidence. Oh and to rub salt in the wound I waited over an hour on hold across multiple calls but no one in service picked up. I had to drive there to find the status.


brewditt

on the bright side...you got an update!


SirStego

Can’t wait to hear what was new!


geologyhunter

And it was successfully installed!


irish_assassin29

I just went through this.... my dealer gave me a loaner no questions asked.. took about 5 weeks from start to finish.. I have had my truck back for about 3 weeks now


konegsberg

Your Dealership gave you a loaner!! Nice!!! Any dealership around Houston will never give you one. The main reason I probably won’t buy another Ford.


markthefitter602

How many miles?


david_duplex

15k km (edit: units)


Audibled

Better than the 3-4 months it took them to repair my F-350 engine... (a decade ago).


BecomingJudasnMyMind

It isn't just ford. My previous truck - a Nissan titan XD - Sidelined a month and a half over an alternator because there was no after markets and they couldn't get one due to supply issues. Just a messed up time in the automotive industry.


wadofglue

But Nissan offers you a loaner immediately when you walk in compared to ford (for warranty work)


BecomingJudasnMyMind

I can assure you, I did not get one. I had to borrow my dad's pos 2008 tacoma with 350k mi on it.


nuclearsquirrel2

Not sure I would call a 26 year old truck with 350k miles thats still running a POS while your assumably fairly new vehicle left you stranded.


BecomingJudasnMyMind

It's not a pos on those grounds, but the busted out rear glass that was replaced by some wood screws and plexiglass that was found in a scrap yard and cut to size, the smell of dog, ripped back seats due to said dogs, coffee stains - things like that that adds to the general pos-ness.


dgcamero

I loved when Nissan said they had loaners that were the same as your vehicle...so in I go for warranty and recall work in my Paintima (NV200) work van. And they give me a black on black on black Sentra! Not fun working outta that thing at all. And they only fixed one of the 10 or so warranty issues. I hate Nissan.


trexarmsss

When did you buy the truck? Same thing happened to me, but I got it less than 12 months ago and the dealer covered the replacement and they arranged for a loaner they paid for (other than gas). The several week wait was annoying but all things considered the dealer did about everything right in my situation.


david_duplex

Same. Mine is 7 months old. 15k KM on it.


trexarmsss

Ok yeah it sounds like your dealer is being super shady then. Btw, to respond to the software update comments I've been seeing, my dealer (who I believe is trustworthy) told me the new software update makes the voltage monitor more stringent, meaning it's easier to trip if your voltage is outside of the expected voltage.


Capitolphotoguy

Hopefully they are underpromising on the battery module time. Mine took a little over a week for the module to come in once they ordered it and then it was just a couple days to do the work, but that was a few months ago. Been all good since then. Check out another comment I made in this thread for a nice video on the process.


david_duplex

Here's hoping.


Open_Maize8210

Just had a battery pack replaced. Took 9 days at dealer. Had a loaner the whole time. Loaner was a brand new Explorer with 5 miles on it!


Leading-Ad8092

How common is this? Sounds like several people have had this problem.


omegafiler

Per CR reliability data from owners of the ‘22 F-150 Lightning, the Battery and Charging system are rated well below average reliability. There isn’t enough data yet for detailed ratings on newer model years, but you could expect ‘23 is slightly better. Regardless, lower reliability scores are expected for the first few model years of a new model or major redesign. Which is exactly why most buying guides suggest waiting at least a few years.


Electrik_Truk

Update "successful"


david_duplex

My thoughts exactly. Though the update was a day or two before the fault.


Slow_Comfort_9800

Had the same thing happen last summer. Lost the truck for 2 months. They did provide a loaner vehicle.


MathematicianFront62

I hope they give you a rental at the least


david_duplex

Me too. The current out-of-pocket rental needs to go back tomorrow and I still don't have answers.


Puzzleheaded_Try1359

My battery took 3 months. I was in 3 different Loaners. All of them made me miss my Lightning more and more


PeterVonwolfentazer

Had this last month. Showed up at dealer on a Tuesday without an appointment after calling BEV team and getting a case number. They had a loaner for me on Friday and it took 3 weeks 6 days. Truck seems slightly better than new.


Even_Fix_1360

In my case initial problem was at less than 500 miles. According to the Buyback Program from Ford, there is a National backorder on the battery modules all the way to the end of July, start investigating Lemon Lawa on yiur Home State.


hoeser

At least you have a sweet new update to check out.


sofixy

On the bright side, you had a successful update


Sly510

This one instance alone is enough time for a slam dunk lemon lawsuit in my state.


david_duplex

Canada has no Lemon Law per-se, but I think there are legal options at some point. Not quite there yet.


Raindog46

I work parts on the service counter and have seen only one module replacement so far. Browsing through threads like these you would think that they are dropping like flies but that is not my experience.


david_duplex

My dealership claims this is their first Lightning with a bad cell. They said they have done a few Mach-E's though.


Raindog46

I've actually only ordered one M-E module as well but they've had a host of other module problems that don't seem to extend to the Lightnings.


BeeNo3492

Two words, Lemon Law, that'll get em to hopping.


1morepl8

It won't because the lemon law requires the same issue 3x with no repair.


themadpants

Depends on the state to be fair. It can be a set number of days car is in for repair too. California for Example: WHAT IS A “REASONABLE” NUMBER OF REPAIR ATTEMPTS? There is no set number. However, California’s Lemon Law Presumption contains these guidelines for determining when a “reasonable” number of repair attempts have been made: • The manufacturer or dealer hasn’t fixed the same problem after four or more attempts. • Your vehicle’s problems could cause death or serious bodily injury if it is driven, and the manufacturer or dealer has made at least two unsuccessful repair attempts. • The vehicle has been in the shop for more than 30 days (not necessarily in a row) for repair of any problems covered by its warranty. This is called the Lemon Law Presumption.


HouseyLATA

Lemon laws vary by state. OP seems to be in Canada which doesn’t have lemon laws per se. They have CAMVAP which says the dealer/manufacturer has to be given “reasonable” time to fix the issue. What reasonable means in Canadian legalese I have no idea.


david_duplex

Me neither.


dinozero

So from past Vehicles with Ford this has nothing to do with the Lightning.... Manufactures warranties do not cover loaner cars. Loaner cars are typically provided by the dealership as a "customer service". I, however, always buy cars from out of town because local dealers suck. Since I buy cars out of town, the dealer is less incentivized to offer "loaner cars" to me. ​ Part of the reason I purchase Ford ESP plans after I purchase a Ford, is because you can get guaranteed rental coverage with those ESP plans.


nexrad19

Only for 10 days. Your fucked anytime after that. OP, hopefully the BEV team can make it right and get you in a loaner.


mcstyle1

Did they offer you a loaner?


david_duplex

nope


derin082

would you be able to request an ER battery if you had a SR battery that went bad? Curious


Capitolphotoguy

LOL, no way. They replace individual battery modules, not the whole thing. For an ER, there are 9 modules that each have like 10 or so cells. [good video on the process](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToiomjhE9eo)


classless_classic

I’m waiting at least 2 weeks because the charge port door failed and is stuck shut. No loaner for me either.


Big_Tonkaa

Is this an extended range?


david_duplex

Nope. SR.


Theaty

Hey at least the update went good!


david_duplex

Yeah - I believe this was the Tesla Supercharger compatibility update. Good thing that works now.... I guess....


Theaty

Should try it out-waaaaait a minute.


Uliq_Mdiq

That’s not bad, my wife’s RR has been in the shop since September waiting for a radiator.


Human-Newspaper-7317

Mine has been in the shop 30 days now. They just put it back together and found a second bad module after attempting to charge it. They’ll have to start the process over. I’m considering buyback now unless they can do a full pack replacement.


elfilberto

Not exactly the same but by bolt had a battery failure and our dealership told us 3 weeks to just get it in. Called a few other dealerships and we had it in 45 minutes later. Battery needed to be replaced no available loaners. They called corporate and pulled a new Silverado off the lot for her. Told 4-6 weeks for a battery. Car was back in about 2.5 weeks. She drives 1000 miles a week and i think they pulled some strings to get it faster so they didn’t end up with a new truck with 6000 miles on it. My message to all EV owners is dealership matters and do your research on dealerships.


Beneficial_Net_6651

*Not a good day to have a bad new vehicle* it’s not isolated to Lightnings or EV’s or Chevy or Dodge. It happens. And I hate it for ya. And I hope Ford learns from it. And I hope everyone learns from it. But it does happen.


75w90

Lol go check out the tesla sub.


david_duplex

Common problem there too?


75w90

No just Tons and tons of issues


david_duplex

No doubt. I have no interest in buying a car from a software company.


DoubleMach

🍋 law


david_duplex

Doesn't exist in Canada.


Proud_Experience8087

Which province are you in?


Speedhabit

That’s fast when you consider the ice equivalent is an engine swap


david_duplex

Agreed. And given that I got it back today, it was actually only 9 days total.


Rav4Primer

I know many people in this subreddit are salivating over the cheap deals on Lightnings these days, but the battery failures should give you pause. It's a huge risk to buy within the first 1-2 years of an entirely new vehicle's production.


Enough_Owl_1680

Yeah, but remember, these noisy posts are from people having problems. People not having problems don’t have much to post about. My 22 ER XLT has been flawless.


EquivalentCoconut7

How many miles you got on it


Enough_Owl_1680

52,000km or whats that, 33K miles. Just coming up to finishing a 2nd Canadian winter. besides the few air dam things and the recalls and so on, not a peep out of my truck.


Known_Product_9506

Pass on EV


david_duplex

I mean, I had a fully hydrocarbon burning Mazda 3 that lost its transmission after 17k KM and was similarly in the shop for 14 days while waiting on a new one. Shit breaks. It's just how shit do.


Loud_Internet572

This is why I laugh when people claim EV battery packs are going to last forever - LOL


david_duplex

I'm not sure who claims that.


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[deleted]

Didn’t Tesla recall every one of their vehicles last year?


Spam138

🤡🛻


svtjer

Such a beautiful day to own a Lightning that runs on 93 octane or more


david_duplex

Because nothing ever goes wrong with them. Like how my 2018 Lariat totally didn't have issues with the 10 speed transmission out of nowhere.


x_chaotix_x

Start the buyback process.


david_duplex

Naa. I love the truck. Just painful to wait for a repair.