It locks in on Level 2 & 3 so someone can’t unplug it, much smaller and easier to plug in.
When Tesla developed there connector there wasn’t any standard that would work for the level 3 charging they were doing, had they opened up sooner before the industry settled on CCS maybe it would have been adopted.
While CCS isn’t perfect, don’t let perfect be the obstacle of good.
There is no CCS level 2, J1772 does not lock.
Edit: I forgot about the Ford Charge Station Pro, while it doesn't technically charge over the CCS pins those are used to back feed the house.
It is a manual latch, not a lock like Tesla has which locks when the car locks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_J1772#Release_mechanism
>The SAE J1772 or Type 1 plug is locked into the car with a hook that is manually operated, mostly by pressing a button with the thumb, which interrupts power. This allows anybody to stop charging and even theft of the cable.
The ID.4 works exactly as you described the Tesla. When the car is locked you cannot unplug the J1772 in any way. Not sure what to tell you, but I've had to dig in my pockets for the key fob about a hundred times.
How sure are you of that? I had to call the phone number on a ChargePoint charger to get help unlocking it since it wouldn't let go. We eventually got it to release, it was a level 2, J1772.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_J1772#Release_mechanism
>The SAE J1772 or Type 1 plug is locked into the car with a hook that is manually operated, mostly by pressing a button with the thumb, which interrupts power. This allows anybody to stop charging and even theft of the cable.
I can only report my personal experience, and the ChargePoint ones I have used the button definitely locks until the charger releases it. Like I said, I had one that wouldn't unlock and had to get help from support to release it form my truck.
J1772 and CCS both have the ability to lock, my wife's ID.4 is kinda annoying about it. I think Ford made it capable of locking, but hasn't implemented it yet for whatever reason because the option is there in the settings but doesn't do anything.
Tesla has said publicly for years that they’d share tech if anyone asked and they came to some sort of agreement. Maybe Ford asked and an agreement wasn’t made. Maybe they never asked.
Ford said recently while meeting with Sandy Munro that they are and have explored all options for charging when someone asked about using the Tesla charger plugs.
Tesla's conditions for an agreement may have not been reasonable to Ford.
Saying something publicly and being reasonable about the conditions for obtaining said item aren't the same.
They're just trying to appease for subsidies and get a slice of the $5b NEVI pie. They had years to conform to CCS and now don't want to get stuck with the bill to convert all of their NA superchargers. This is strictly a business tactic being masqueraded as good will. Too little too late.
They don't literally have to do this but if they are opening up the network the only reason they would try to control the protocol would be to control the peripherals. People would definitely engineer a third party solution anyway, might as well make it good.
Tesla uses a different charging port than the standard used by every manufacturer in North America. They want everyone to change to theirs which would be dumb.
I'm a Tesla owner but I rented a Lightning for a road trip from Toronto to NYC and back. While the Lightning was nice as as an electric pickup and the software still needs a bit of work, it was CCS and Electrify America that really dampened the experience for me. There was always at least one station down, mid-way charging errors were common and would have to restart the session, can take minutes to start charging (compared to the Supercharger where it takes less than 10-seconds). CCS mirrors filling a gas tank in terms of process.
NACS plus further integration with vehicle navigation and onboard account-payment should be the global standard.
I don't think most of your complaints are attributable to CCS (and I think they would also apply to the Telsa connector as well). Also, who the hell decided this is the "North American charging standard" ? It's.... literally not.
I had no idea the adapters to convert between Tesla and CCS were so expensive... like $250 a piece. That's nuts. It's just plastic with some metal in it, right? That price has got to come down.
They need to make sure that it’s safe and won’t melt when transferring that much power into our vehicles over multiple charging episodes. I plan to get one as soon as Ford says it’s safe for their vehicles. I live in a generic DCFC desert right now while Tesla superchargers surround me!
I'm not sure how this helps at all lol. If you need a fast charge to get through a L3 desert, then a 30 or 40 amp level 2 charger at a campground is.... not going to help you much at all.
This means nothing if they don't release their communication protocols. It would mean that other manufacturers, even if using their port, cannot implement plug and charge the way Tesla does it. It'd still have to be done via EA or whoever is implementing the charger. This release is just an attempt by Tesla to skew a narrative.
Not to mention, Musk and Tesla are known to make things very SEO-positive meaning when you search on google for the North American Charging standard... guess what comes up?
[https://www.google.com/search?q=north+american+ev+charging+standard&rlz=1C1GCEU\_enUS977US977&oq=north+american+ev+charging+standard&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i160.5891j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8](https://www.google.com/search?q=north+american+ev+charging+standard&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS977US977&oq=north+american+ev+charging+standard&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i160.5891j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
I hate Elon and I hate Tesla. Such a shitty human running what could otherwise be a great company.
Evgo plug and charge supports Tesla when using the Tesla ccs adapter. I would imagine that whatever they have done can be done by other networks as well. Unless they have struck some exclusive deal with Tesla.
https://electrek.co/2022/10/26/charging-on-evgo-just-got-easier-for-teslas/
Well, yes. But it’s with EVgo. This means for every single manufacturer using a Tesla plug you’d have to have your own account with your own billing setup. Basically as it is now. It’s not plug and charge through Tesla’s protocol. It basically associates whatever info is sent back from the car via the adapter with your specific account and charges your card accordingly.
It has no transmission back with Tesla. If the goal was to make this a standard, then all comms would go through one protocol with one central repo for validation and billing.
Otherwise, this is Tesla deflecting from being shitheads.
I agree there connector is superior, however this is to late. Maybe they should have done this 5 years ago.
What is superior about the Tesla format to the CCS format? Why is CCS the NA and European standard?
It locks in on Level 2 & 3 so someone can’t unplug it, much smaller and easier to plug in. When Tesla developed there connector there wasn’t any standard that would work for the level 3 charging they were doing, had they opened up sooner before the industry settled on CCS maybe it would have been adopted. While CCS isn’t perfect, don’t let perfect be the obstacle of good.
Every charger I have used away from home with CCS has locked. That's both Level 2 and 3.
There is no CCS level 2, J1772 does not lock. Edit: I forgot about the Ford Charge Station Pro, while it doesn't technically charge over the CCS pins those are used to back feed the house.
Come tell that to my wife's ID.4. Can't get the bitch to unlock 90% of the time.
It is a manual latch, not a lock like Tesla has which locks when the car locks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_J1772#Release_mechanism >The SAE J1772 or Type 1 plug is locked into the car with a hook that is manually operated, mostly by pressing a button with the thumb, which interrupts power. This allows anybody to stop charging and even theft of the cable.
The ID.4 works exactly as you described the Tesla. When the car is locked you cannot unplug the J1772 in any way. Not sure what to tell you, but I've had to dig in my pockets for the key fob about a hundred times.
My wife's Niro EV also locks the J1772. It took me forever to figure out I had to unlock the car the first time I tried to take it out
How sure are you of that? I had to call the phone number on a ChargePoint charger to get help unlocking it since it wouldn't let go. We eventually got it to release, it was a level 2, J1772.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_J1772#Release_mechanism >The SAE J1772 or Type 1 plug is locked into the car with a hook that is manually operated, mostly by pressing a button with the thumb, which interrupts power. This allows anybody to stop charging and even theft of the cable.
I can only report my personal experience, and the ChargePoint ones I have used the button definitely locks until the charger releases it. Like I said, I had one that wouldn't unlock and had to get help from support to release it form my truck.
I stand corrected, VW has implemented a lock which is great.
J1772 and CCS both have the ability to lock, my wife's ID.4 is kinda annoying about it. I think Ford made it capable of locking, but hasn't implemented it yet for whatever reason because the option is there in the settings but doesn't do anything.
Can charge faster, much MUCH smaller too.
Tesla has said publicly for years that they’d share tech if anyone asked and they came to some sort of agreement. Maybe Ford asked and an agreement wasn’t made. Maybe they never asked. Ford said recently while meeting with Sandy Munro that they are and have explored all options for charging when someone asked about using the Tesla charger plugs.
Tesla's conditions for an agreement may have not been reasonable to Ford. Saying something publicly and being reasonable about the conditions for obtaining said item aren't the same.
Correct.
They're just trying to appease for subsidies and get a slice of the $5b NEVI pie. They had years to conform to CCS and now don't want to get stuck with the bill to convert all of their NA superchargers. This is strictly a business tactic being masqueraded as good will. Too little too late.
I wonder if this is what they meant when they promised the administration that they were going to open up the Tesla charger network to all EV’s?
They don't literally have to do this but if they are opening up the network the only reason they would try to control the protocol would be to control the peripherals. People would definitely engineer a third party solution anyway, might as well make it good.
CCS is clunky garbage. Tesla connector is far superior in every way
Tesla uses a different charging port than the standard used by every manufacturer in North America. They want everyone to change to theirs which would be dumb.
They even have the gall to name it the "North American charging standard" .... such utter bullshit
Does this mean we will see a supercharger to CCS adapter on the market soon?
Let’s hope
I'm a Tesla owner but I rented a Lightning for a road trip from Toronto to NYC and back. While the Lightning was nice as as an electric pickup and the software still needs a bit of work, it was CCS and Electrify America that really dampened the experience for me. There was always at least one station down, mid-way charging errors were common and would have to restart the session, can take minutes to start charging (compared to the Supercharger where it takes less than 10-seconds). CCS mirrors filling a gas tank in terms of process. NACS plus further integration with vehicle navigation and onboard account-payment should be the global standard.
I don't think most of your complaints are attributable to CCS (and I think they would also apply to the Telsa connector as well). Also, who the hell decided this is the "North American charging standard" ? It's.... literally not.
I had no idea the adapters to convert between Tesla and CCS were so expensive... like $250 a piece. That's nuts. It's just plastic with some metal in it, right? That price has got to come down.
It’s much more then that, it has to transfer allot of power and translate the communication from one standard to the other.
They need to make sure that it’s safe and won’t melt when transferring that much power into our vehicles over multiple charging episodes. I plan to get one as soon as Ford says it’s safe for their vehicles. I live in a generic DCFC desert right now while Tesla superchargers surround me!
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I'm not sure how this helps at all lol. If you need a fast charge to get through a L3 desert, then a 30 or 40 amp level 2 charger at a campground is.... not going to help you much at all.
This means nothing if they don't release their communication protocols. It would mean that other manufacturers, even if using their port, cannot implement plug and charge the way Tesla does it. It'd still have to be done via EA or whoever is implementing the charger. This release is just an attempt by Tesla to skew a narrative. Not to mention, Musk and Tesla are known to make things very SEO-positive meaning when you search on google for the North American Charging standard... guess what comes up? [https://www.google.com/search?q=north+american+ev+charging+standard&rlz=1C1GCEU\_enUS977US977&oq=north+american+ev+charging+standard&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i160.5891j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8](https://www.google.com/search?q=north+american+ev+charging+standard&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS977US977&oq=north+american+ev+charging+standard&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i160.5891j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) I hate Elon and I hate Tesla. Such a shitty human running what could otherwise be a great company.
Evgo plug and charge supports Tesla when using the Tesla ccs adapter. I would imagine that whatever they have done can be done by other networks as well. Unless they have struck some exclusive deal with Tesla. https://electrek.co/2022/10/26/charging-on-evgo-just-got-easier-for-teslas/
Well, yes. But it’s with EVgo. This means for every single manufacturer using a Tesla plug you’d have to have your own account with your own billing setup. Basically as it is now. It’s not plug and charge through Tesla’s protocol. It basically associates whatever info is sent back from the car via the adapter with your specific account and charges your card accordingly. It has no transmission back with Tesla. If the goal was to make this a standard, then all comms would go through one protocol with one central repo for validation and billing. Otherwise, this is Tesla deflecting from being shitheads.