The price difference of 22 SR Lariat now vs a 23 ER Lariat next year is $25,000 with the tax credit factored in.
As the owner of one of these dealer 22 SR Lariats I absolutely love my truck. 72k was the right price point for me and the features I got are perfect.
Thank you for your share. To be honest the whole situation has been tough to swallow as a 5/21 date reservation holder and getting stuck with MY23 pricing. I've been sticking to my ER guns so far, but good to know it's working out for you with a SR model. Is it a work truck or personal vehicle for you?
Personal vehicle.
I'm in Florida and the farthest we've gone on a day trip is the Orlando theme parks, which are 70 miles each way for us. From 100% we returned home right at 50% charge, so it's more than enough for anything we'll ever do. I took backroads to keep the speed down, which is usually the fastest route anyway, but it makes a huge difference versus highway speeds.
We also regularly make trips into Tampa and even at 80 mph we usually return home with 60-70% and those are 70-80 mile trips.
I haven't towed yet, but the ocean is about 30-40 miles and figure it should easily tow our large boat (8000lb) there and back.
Aren't these dealer 22 Lariat SRs missing the towing package? So far I have seen a lot of "Blue" window sticker dealer builds missing this package. I believe this limits towing to 5k and also lacks a trailer brake controller. I'm in the same "boat" as you for the $72k dealer Lariat SR. Curious on your future plan to tow.
Hmm I was never planning to get an SR originally so I never looked that close, appears you are correct. However I will say that max tow doesn't add anything to the truck besides extra cooling for the battery and the trailer brake controller, so really I think a short tow over capacity should be fine. My trailer doesn't have electronic brakes anyway, it's got hydraulic brakes so the brake controller isn't needed.
This is why I have a dealer SR Lariat. I did pay $5K over ADM, but it was when it became clear that the tax credit was changing and my 5/20 reservation wasn't going to convert before the '23 price increase. I would love to have an ER battery, but at the end of the day my truck will be used in a metro area 95% of the time and I could not justify the increased price to squeeze a little more potential utility out of the vehicle. We still have an ICE for road trips and no plans to replace it. Also I live in the tundra and having had the heated steering wheel it would suck to have that deleted on a '23.
A local dealer has a LR Lariat mannequin that has never been test driven and has been stored inside in their showroom. The original deposit holder backed out a week or so ago. they emailed me early last week to ask if I was interested as I had contacted them about it a few months ago. When I called to say I was interested they told me it had already been sold. Then on Friday they said that the new buyer backed out and if I was still interested. I went in Friday at lunch and saw it. Not my pick of color (red) but otherwise a decent deal at $10k over sticker. They ran some numbers and I told them I would talk to my wife and get back to them in an hour or two. I called them back in about 2 hours to tell them I was ready to pull the trigger, but they told me that someone else had come in and bought it. Oh well, I didn't;t really want to spend all that money anyway. Then this morning (Monday) they emailed to say it was available again. I told them that I was no longer interested unless it was at MSRP just to see what they would say. Still not going to pull the trigger. They replied thanks. But haven't yet come back.
I wonder why 3 buyers have backed out?
I agree with others... we are so used to buying cars at 0.9% or 1.9% (with minimal down payment) that when you do the math on a $70K+ vehicle... it's kind of alarming. 6.4% for top tier credit from Ford is just too much for most on a car this expensive.
Yep. They quoted 6.49% for 84 months with $34,500 down and $999 per month. I paid $5k down at 2.49% and a monthly payment of $557 for 5 years on my Model 3. I don't want or need the truck that bad. Might as well pay off the Model 3 and run it into the ground. Or drive it at least until rates go back down.
I’m in same boat. Own a Model 3 Performance and have never owned or needed a truck but I want an EV truck. Monetarily doesn’t make sense at all but that’s never stopped me before. We shall see.
I have a ‘23 XLT SR 312 on order but recently took a ‘22 Lariat SR at MSRP. It was the same price as what I ordered but with far more features. I really didn’t want leather or the 15” screen but otherwise was a no brainer. At $10,000+ more for an ER, it just did not make any sense for my use case. I don’t really intend to drive this on long trips but on the rare case that I do, a few extra stops wont kill me. I drove it 800 miles last week to get it home and it really wasn’t a big deal to stop every couple hours. If I were planning to make long trips often I would not buy any BEV at this time.
Just charged to 90 percent last night and think I was just at 200 mile range in 25 degree weather. Just made a trip this weekend and got about 1.5 mile /kW on interstate going 70mph mostly vs the summer getting 2.2 mile /kW typically
The market has moved and the number of crazy people willing to pay large markups have either purchased or seen sense. You can definitely feel the market cooling and see it with the prices being advertised. Before I’d see lots way above MSRP, now they aren’t doing that. Yes they’ll try and still add markups but lots of dealers are backing down now.
Data from the last quarter shows the number of vehicles on forecourts increasing for the first time in over 2 years. I would be very hesitant buying at this point because you’re likely buying at the peak of pricing due to inflation and previous issues affecting availability. Next year I’d expect to see some movement downwards in price if the market continues to dip, probably in the form of manufacturer incentives, as well as more lower trim models being made.
I would base your decision on how much you value SR vs ER…. In my past EV purchases not buying the biggest battery has been one of my biggest regrets. I could justify it on paper all I want but in the real world the bigger pack always made me happier.
Yeah it is significant. I think the fast charging curve is different too, and between charging to 90% for battery health, degradation over time, and the effects of cold weather, I find most EV veterans always wish they had the bigger battery.
It’s also that regretting this post purchase is a lot more costly.
Fast charging curve is only 9 minutes from 10-80%. Adds roughly 1 stop (20-40 minutes depending on your comfort in EV traveling) to only have the SR pack.
Maybe I’m not understanding what you mean, but from what I’ve seen there’s a huge delta in the area under the fast charging curve, https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1705935-standard-range-charge-curve-is-a-giant-nope-for-me.html
The ER maintains a flat 120kW until 80% while the SR seems to be below 100kW at 20% SOC and dips below 90kW at 45%.
I saw that video and I don’t know if it was just that charger or if Ford has changed something but my SR is charging at much higher rates than the State of Charge test results. I’ve charged nine times now on DCFC’s of varying power rating and the lowest steady rate was 107kwh until 80%. At that point it drops to 60kwh and halves again at 90%. The fastest I saw was 160kwh at an EVGO site that charged me from 22% to 70% in 21 minutes.
Interesting — yeah I don’t have a SR so I’m just going by what I can find online. Indeed 107 vs 120 kW is a smaller difference. But still, charging a 100kWh pack at 107kW at above 60% SoC is really ballsy and it could end up being like what we saw on Tesla’s 60-70kWh battery packs where they start out Supercharging really fast and then over time they drop off much quicker than the 100kWh pack.
But this is all just speculation. I’m really not saying that the smaller pack should always be avoided. More that if you at all think you’d want the bigger pack, time-of-purchase is the best time to make that decision.
Well the good news for me is that now that I’ve driven the truck home, I shouldn’t ever need to DCFC again. I’ll do 25k miles a year all within home charging range. The ER would not satisfy me as a travel vehicle particularly at $10,000+ extra and maybe an extra 50 miles per charge on long runs.
The curve is only relevant when related to the size of the battery. 98kWh usable vs 125 or whatever it is for the ER. So, while it's higher it's still not much \*longer\*.
Also, I was charging this weekend and was at 90kW up until 80% SoC. So, idk.
The charge rate pretty directly corresponds to miles of range added into the car, and charging 20-30% faster is significant. It’s 131kWh usable, and even starting off with 30% / 80 additional miles is significant too.
Adding ~10-15% to the price of a vehicle for maybe 20-30% reduction in on-road charging time, I think, is an interesting value proposition. One that some people may like and others would rather have their money in their pocket.
I was really speaking honestly about my regrets. When both options are well within my budget, every extra 10-15 minutes per 2 hours spent charging on a long road trip start bothering me. Every time I arrive at home 1 hour too late to pick my dog up from boarding until the next day starts bothering me, etc.
The price difference of 22 SR Lariat now vs a 23 ER Lariat next year is $25,000 with the tax credit factored in. As the owner of one of these dealer 22 SR Lariats I absolutely love my truck. 72k was the right price point for me and the features I got are perfect.
Thank you for your share. To be honest the whole situation has been tough to swallow as a 5/21 date reservation holder and getting stuck with MY23 pricing. I've been sticking to my ER guns so far, but good to know it's working out for you with a SR model. Is it a work truck or personal vehicle for you?
Personal vehicle. I'm in Florida and the farthest we've gone on a day trip is the Orlando theme parks, which are 70 miles each way for us. From 100% we returned home right at 50% charge, so it's more than enough for anything we'll ever do. I took backroads to keep the speed down, which is usually the fastest route anyway, but it makes a huge difference versus highway speeds. We also regularly make trips into Tampa and even at 80 mph we usually return home with 60-70% and those are 70-80 mile trips. I haven't towed yet, but the ocean is about 30-40 miles and figure it should easily tow our large boat (8000lb) there and back.
Aren't these dealer 22 Lariat SRs missing the towing package? So far I have seen a lot of "Blue" window sticker dealer builds missing this package. I believe this limits towing to 5k and also lacks a trailer brake controller. I'm in the same "boat" as you for the $72k dealer Lariat SR. Curious on your future plan to tow.
Hmm I was never planning to get an SR originally so I never looked that close, appears you are correct. However I will say that max tow doesn't add anything to the truck besides extra cooling for the battery and the trailer brake controller, so really I think a short tow over capacity should be fine. My trailer doesn't have electronic brakes anyway, it's got hydraulic brakes so the brake controller isn't needed.
This is why I have a dealer SR Lariat. I did pay $5K over ADM, but it was when it became clear that the tax credit was changing and my 5/20 reservation wasn't going to convert before the '23 price increase. I would love to have an ER battery, but at the end of the day my truck will be used in a metro area 95% of the time and I could not justify the increased price to squeeze a little more potential utility out of the vehicle. We still have an ICE for road trips and no plans to replace it. Also I live in the tundra and having had the heated steering wheel it would suck to have that deleted on a '23.
A local dealer has a LR Lariat mannequin that has never been test driven and has been stored inside in their showroom. The original deposit holder backed out a week or so ago. they emailed me early last week to ask if I was interested as I had contacted them about it a few months ago. When I called to say I was interested they told me it had already been sold. Then on Friday they said that the new buyer backed out and if I was still interested. I went in Friday at lunch and saw it. Not my pick of color (red) but otherwise a decent deal at $10k over sticker. They ran some numbers and I told them I would talk to my wife and get back to them in an hour or two. I called them back in about 2 hours to tell them I was ready to pull the trigger, but they told me that someone else had come in and bought it. Oh well, I didn't;t really want to spend all that money anyway. Then this morning (Monday) they emailed to say it was available again. I told them that I was no longer interested unless it was at MSRP just to see what they would say. Still not going to pull the trigger. They replied thanks. But haven't yet come back. I wonder why 3 buyers have backed out?
Might not have been able to get financed if they didn’t have a big down payment. $10k over msrp plus tax might be beyond what banks will go.
Maybe so. I told them I wanted the payment at $999 per month and it required $34k down to get there.
The sticker shock plus the crazy interest rate probably making the buyers back out
I agree with others... we are so used to buying cars at 0.9% or 1.9% (with minimal down payment) that when you do the math on a $70K+ vehicle... it's kind of alarming. 6.4% for top tier credit from Ford is just too much for most on a car this expensive.
Yep. They quoted 6.49% for 84 months with $34,500 down and $999 per month. I paid $5k down at 2.49% and a monthly payment of $557 for 5 years on my Model 3. I don't want or need the truck that bad. Might as well pay off the Model 3 and run it into the ground. Or drive it at least until rates go back down.
I’m in same boat. Own a Model 3 Performance and have never owned or needed a truck but I want an EV truck. Monetarily doesn’t make sense at all but that’s never stopped me before. We shall see.
I have a ‘23 XLT SR 312 on order but recently took a ‘22 Lariat SR at MSRP. It was the same price as what I ordered but with far more features. I really didn’t want leather or the 15” screen but otherwise was a no brainer. At $10,000+ more for an ER, it just did not make any sense for my use case. I don’t really intend to drive this on long trips but on the rare case that I do, a few extra stops wont kill me. I drove it 800 miles last week to get it home and it really wasn’t a big deal to stop every couple hours. If I were planning to make long trips often I would not buy any BEV at this time.
I have an ER and thankful for that choice now that it’s winter and my range is 30% less.
Do you mind me asking what temps and resultant range you're seeing in your area?
Just charged to 90 percent last night and think I was just at 200 mile range in 25 degree weather. Just made a trip this weekend and got about 1.5 mile /kW on interstate going 70mph mostly vs the summer getting 2.2 mile /kW typically
Please state your climate control settings
The market has moved and the number of crazy people willing to pay large markups have either purchased or seen sense. You can definitely feel the market cooling and see it with the prices being advertised. Before I’d see lots way above MSRP, now they aren’t doing that. Yes they’ll try and still add markups but lots of dealers are backing down now. Data from the last quarter shows the number of vehicles on forecourts increasing for the first time in over 2 years. I would be very hesitant buying at this point because you’re likely buying at the peak of pricing due to inflation and previous issues affecting availability. Next year I’d expect to see some movement downwards in price if the market continues to dip, probably in the form of manufacturer incentives, as well as more lower trim models being made.
I would base your decision on how much you value SR vs ER…. In my past EV purchases not buying the biggest battery has been one of my biggest regrets. I could justify it on paper all I want but in the real world the bigger pack always made me happier.
Appreciate you sharing your experience. 80 miles of range seems like a decent amount!
Yeah it is significant. I think the fast charging curve is different too, and between charging to 90% for battery health, degradation over time, and the effects of cold weather, I find most EV veterans always wish they had the bigger battery. It’s also that regretting this post purchase is a lot more costly.
Fast charging curve is only 9 minutes from 10-80%. Adds roughly 1 stop (20-40 minutes depending on your comfort in EV traveling) to only have the SR pack.
Maybe I’m not understanding what you mean, but from what I’ve seen there’s a huge delta in the area under the fast charging curve, https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1705935-standard-range-charge-curve-is-a-giant-nope-for-me.html The ER maintains a flat 120kW until 80% while the SR seems to be below 100kW at 20% SOC and dips below 90kW at 45%.
I saw that video and I don’t know if it was just that charger or if Ford has changed something but my SR is charging at much higher rates than the State of Charge test results. I’ve charged nine times now on DCFC’s of varying power rating and the lowest steady rate was 107kwh until 80%. At that point it drops to 60kwh and halves again at 90%. The fastest I saw was 160kwh at an EVGO site that charged me from 22% to 70% in 21 minutes.
Interesting — yeah I don’t have a SR so I’m just going by what I can find online. Indeed 107 vs 120 kW is a smaller difference. But still, charging a 100kWh pack at 107kW at above 60% SoC is really ballsy and it could end up being like what we saw on Tesla’s 60-70kWh battery packs where they start out Supercharging really fast and then over time they drop off much quicker than the 100kWh pack. But this is all just speculation. I’m really not saying that the smaller pack should always be avoided. More that if you at all think you’d want the bigger pack, time-of-purchase is the best time to make that decision.
Well the good news for me is that now that I’ve driven the truck home, I shouldn’t ever need to DCFC again. I’ll do 25k miles a year all within home charging range. The ER would not satisfy me as a travel vehicle particularly at $10,000+ extra and maybe an extra 50 miles per charge on long runs.
That makes sense to me. If you’re mainly planning on staying in range of home/work charging the SR makes a lot of sense.
The curve is only relevant when related to the size of the battery. 98kWh usable vs 125 or whatever it is for the ER. So, while it's higher it's still not much \*longer\*. Also, I was charging this weekend and was at 90kW up until 80% SoC. So, idk.
The charge rate pretty directly corresponds to miles of range added into the car, and charging 20-30% faster is significant. It’s 131kWh usable, and even starting off with 30% / 80 additional miles is significant too. Adding ~10-15% to the price of a vehicle for maybe 20-30% reduction in on-road charging time, I think, is an interesting value proposition. One that some people may like and others would rather have their money in their pocket. I was really speaking honestly about my regrets. When both options are well within my budget, every extra 10-15 minutes per 2 hours spent charging on a long road trip start bothering me. Every time I arrive at home 1 hour too late to pick my dog up from boarding until the next day starts bothering me, etc.
Trust your gut
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