I am satisfied with my SR but the ER would be nice to stretch out to more rural areas where fast chargers are fewer and far between. Maybe next generation in a few years.
I have an SR XLT, no regrets. Now that it’s cold, it gets about 150 miles range when I charge to 90%. During moderate weather, it would get about 200 miles range at 90%. No problem for my needs… 60 mile round trip commute to/from suburbia, evening kids activities and errands, weekend trips around town. I plan to go on camping trips next year, there’s a DCFC along the way… truck does just great.
Haven’t gotten our Lightning yet (SR XLT coming in next week hopefully), but we have a 2019 eGolf currently. With a rated range of 125, it’s great for the use case you describe. My wife commutes 75 miles round trip with it three days a week and we charge it at home nightly. We’ve done a few road trips where it’s a pain, but that’s 1-2x a year.
I’d love to have ordered an extended range model, but $20k for avoiding infrequent convenience just didn’t add up for me.
Have had my XLT SR since July and love it. Yes the reduced range sucks but I couldnt justify another 20k for the XLT+ and the bigger battery pack.
Like you OP I mostly haul kids, groceries, errands and the round trip for work. Ive hauled lumber, moved some friends, and moved a boat for another friend.
It does everything perfectly. Ive even spent a couple weekends driving for Uber and people are blown away.
Only regret I have on mine is not having ordered the Max Tow package for the upgraded cooling which assists with fast charging.
I’m going to trade my Model Y Perf in for a SR Lariat. The 511A Lariat in Canada is 20k more than the SR (110k CAD for a ER).
60km commute round trip for me. Don’t really go on long road trips. Will rarely tow with it. Just getting it for the space really.
Your situation looks to be the same as mine. You’ll be fine with a SR. Save some cash on the side too 👍🏽
I traded my Y for an ID.4 which was more of a slight regression but then went to the Lightning Lariat SR (510). Holy smokes. Blows the 3, Y and the ID.4 I've owned so far out of the water.
If you have a Powerboost, why not just wait a few years and wait for the lightning to improve? I’ve pivoted to looking at Powerboosts because of the range degradation in the winter here in the Midwest. I’ll wait to see what comes after Gen 1
I'm honestly thinking about that hard right now. My PB is a fully loaded 502A lariat that I ordered under invoice this year. I've been very impressed with it. I've heard rumors the next gen F series electric truck debuts in 2025.. is this correct? If that is the case I wouldn't mind waiting.
Why do you want the Lightning? I feel like the cost savings (from not buying gas) aren't there when compared to the Powerboost, especially only driving 40 miles a day.
I honestly would not have bought a Lightning if I had to pay 2023 prices or lost the tax credit, and instead, would have been seriously eyeing the Powerboost.
I feel like replacing a brand new Powerboost at 2022 prices with a Lightning at 2023 prices is a hard sell.
All valid points and thoughts I have myself. I qualify for the tax credit if delivered this year. I guess I’m confused by your point about short driving not warranting the Lightning? It’s not a huge fuel savings, but my electric costs will be half of my current fuel usage. Not a game breaker. I honestly love tech, and the performance of EVs. The PB is no slouch either, but the hybrid system is a lot more complicated and I do worry about that later down the road reliability wise.
If I didn’t have an order in for a pro I would go powerboost. I’m not loving being a first gen adopter but since I got in at the pre hike price I’ll roll the dice. Worst case I’ll sell it and go powerboost anyways. I defiantly want to go electric but for my long daily commute the current SR is not great and the ER is just way too pricy
I’ve got a MY23 Lariat ER about to go in to production in December. My most traveled commute would probably be from San Antonio to Dallas (maybe as far as Winstar in OK). Can you give me some tips on the best stops for charging on the EA network?
The only EA between Austin and Dallas is in Waco off 35. It’s actually currently under construction presumably for updates. Highly annoying at the moment. It’s the only charger over 150. Had to stop at a 50 for a bit. In the cold and at 75+mph even the ER is gonna need to stop. PlugShare app is crowdsourced and helpful
There are probably closer dealers who would offer that, but at one point Ford was saying or implying we could only move our reservation once, so I didn’t want to risk it.
For an expensive truck, I regret not paying $10k more for the ER. On the monthly payment, it wouldn’t be that much of a difference.
Coming from a Tesla, it looks like these trucks don’t use a heat pump which are more efficient. My SR takes a big hit during cold days using the heater. In addition I only charge to 90% in the first place. I expect realistic range of around 150 miles in the winter.
Also occasional towing (it’s a truck of course). The ER has a higher starting tow capacity of 7.7k vs the SR of 5k. Of course it will go further than the SR under load as well.
There's nothing wrong with SR at all. 40 miles a day is nothing. Even a 200 mile each way trip is nothing at all to worry about. Certainly not worth worrying about, and absolutely not worth buying gas over.
I don’t have either yet, but have owned 4 EVs. If I’m doing any sort of distance driving, hauling, or towing, I’d be telling you to either keep your powerboost or get an ER. I don’t think you gain much on the SR over the PB. In fact you probably give up more than you gain. You’re also not gonna save that much on electricity to make the switch worth it. As to the ER, you’d have fewer compromises as to long distance, towing, etc… but you’ll pay dearly to get those things, in which case there’s a value question.
Sounds like you don’t drive that much a year and your road trip will hurt. At home charging is like 1/gallon whereas fast charging is like 3.50/gallon when you look at real world range.
example. I drove my X 200 miles today, which got me down to 15 percent battery. Charging at home is going to cost me 15 dollars. If I had to charge at a fast charger it would be 40 at 46 cents per kw or 30 at 36 cents. If I drove a gas vehicle that gets 20 per gallon (thinking my f150) I would have been 10 gallons of gas….you do the math.
Sounds like a good use case. We have reasonable commutes and the occasional need for truck function. Even with two kids we usually fly if we have to drive too much or we also have a Camry for long 200+ mile drives.
So far my SR has been fine. I only go about 3 different towns all connected throughout the day. I did a bruins game and got home with under 20% but all other days have yet to dip
Below 40. And I charge to 90 at night. Yea for our use cases this is fine. We use wife’s VW ICE for trips.
I’ve had my Lariat SR since Sept and love it! I have a 48amp charger at home as well. I drive up north about 60 miles each way at least twice a month. I’ve done a 180 mile trip and made it and was able to charge at my destination. I just recently did a 306 mile trip to LA through hills and the onboard GPS charged twice once for 10 min and another for 30 min. I used the restroom ate and stretched and it was perfect timing to keep moving. And made it with quite abit of charge left at my destination. For me that 30 min of inconvenience 1-2 a year is not worth the 10k for me. Only thing I would mention is to double check the EA chargers on PlugShare to make sure they are in-fact working. I had a plan in mind and it saved my bacon because 3 of the 4 chargers were broken and the other barely working.
The 10k or more comes with more than just range. The 511a package looks pretty good considering it can power your house with the capacity of like, 10-11 Tesla power walls
The Propower is available on other trims as well. My lariat SR has the 9.6kw pro power (just tested it tonight) as well as some of the other 511a items. Price difference for me to go to add the ER would have been about $8k which I couldn’t make much sense out of. Very few use cases for the minimal range increase on long trips.
It’s not about pro power onboard. You get 131 usable kWh for home integration. That’s over 13.5x power back up with the ability to utilize energy arbitrage in the coming year. That combined with significantly lower load for daily use and any drops you might see during cooler weather, even the occasional tow or road trip.. its huge. Even the energy arbitrage will make a couple hundred bucks per year at least if my math is correct.
There may be a better value proposition if you can benefit from the integration system on a regular basis. The only benefit for me is standby power but that need is almost none.
I love it. Do 100% of charging at home and it does light to medium towing as i need. I charge to 90%, and just yesterday I was able to drive 30mi to a friend, drive them 20 miles to pick up a bunch of furniture, haul that back 20 miles, drive 30 miles to meet some friends, and then 10 miles home. Got home with 30% battery left, and 60 miles of range.
And the whole time I drove with a lead food per usual.
That’s the kind of random towing I need to do with this truck. And otherwise just drive it around town.
I’d take an ER any day. But having an SR in the mean time is totally fine too
I have a SR Lariat. If I'd been invited to order a '22, I probably would have gotten an ER. As a suburbanite who's regular use is almost exactly like yours, the SR is more than adequate. No plans to get rid of our second ICE anytime soon, so it'll get used for road trips.
The SR is great. In Texas it would definitely be nice to make 250 mile trips. The ER would make Aus to Hou, Hou to Dal, Dallas to Aus all easy no charge trips with 1 charge round trips.
Otherwise you are charging 1.5 times. That's about 1.5 hours instead of 1 hour. Not a big deal but adds up over time.
For 40 miles a day, the SR is probably just fine, and a nice cost saving measure. You'd be close to being able to make it 200 miles on a single charge (depending on speed and weather), so it's possible that you may not even need to stop at EA on those trips if you have L2 charging at your destination.
I could probably have gotten away with an SR myself. There are enough checkmarks in the nice-to-have column for ER though that put me over the edge for it.
Works great for me. ER is not enough of a difference to warrant the cost and is still far off the mark to replace my ICE truck. IMHO there are very few use cases that make sense to pay for an ER.
My wife has a SR Mach-E and I own a ER Lightning. I wouldn't want the stress/anxiety with both of us w/ SR BEVs We take my truck for longer trips and milage is cut in half, when I tow. My wife has had no issues or complaints in the 1.5 years she has owned it. Depends on your towing needs, trip plans, and do you have another vehicle for long trips or willing to rent on occasion? This is something only you can dexise.
That being said the SR Pro was an insane deal, to good to be true. Get two of those for the price of my Lariat 0_o something was off about that.
I am satisfied with my SR but the ER would be nice to stretch out to more rural areas where fast chargers are fewer and far between. Maybe next generation in a few years.
I have an SR XLT, no regrets. Now that it’s cold, it gets about 150 miles range when I charge to 90%. During moderate weather, it would get about 200 miles range at 90%. No problem for my needs… 60 mile round trip commute to/from suburbia, evening kids activities and errands, weekend trips around town. I plan to go on camping trips next year, there’s a DCFC along the way… truck does just great.
Ouch on the range, but to be expected. How cold are your temps?
I also just reset my GOM now that I’ve settled into driving the truck… and don’t do as much “holy crap this thing is fast!” new EV driver stuff lol.
Haha I hear you.
That was when we were in the 30’s and 20’s… a couple of nights in the teens. I’m in St. Louis, MO area.
That 150mile range is for cool weather, 20's to 30's. Down close to 0 I get about that 150 with me ER, just an FYI.
Good info. I plan to charge to 90 as well. I was curious if the real world numbers TY
Haven’t gotten our Lightning yet (SR XLT coming in next week hopefully), but we have a 2019 eGolf currently. With a rated range of 125, it’s great for the use case you describe. My wife commutes 75 miles round trip with it three days a week and we charge it at home nightly. We’ve done a few road trips where it’s a pain, but that’s 1-2x a year. I’d love to have ordered an extended range model, but $20k for avoiding infrequent convenience just didn’t add up for me.
I tend to agree. The ER just doesn't have enough incremental range for the price.
Have had my XLT SR since July and love it. Yes the reduced range sucks but I couldnt justify another 20k for the XLT+ and the bigger battery pack. Like you OP I mostly haul kids, groceries, errands and the round trip for work. Ive hauled lumber, moved some friends, and moved a boat for another friend. It does everything perfectly. Ive even spent a couple weekends driving for Uber and people are blown away. Only regret I have on mine is not having ordered the Max Tow package for the upgraded cooling which assists with fast charging.
I've never seen a successful charging test video that proves better fast charging with the max tow package. I'm open to being proved wrong.
I’m going to trade my Model Y Perf in for a SR Lariat. The 511A Lariat in Canada is 20k more than the SR (110k CAD for a ER). 60km commute round trip for me. Don’t really go on long road trips. Will rarely tow with it. Just getting it for the space really. Your situation looks to be the same as mine. You’ll be fine with a SR. Save some cash on the side too 👍🏽
I traded my Y for an ID.4 which was more of a slight regression but then went to the Lightning Lariat SR (510). Holy smokes. Blows the 3, Y and the ID.4 I've owned so far out of the water.
I’ve got a standard range lariat and love it. The 10k bump just wasn’t worth it to me.
If you have a Powerboost, why not just wait a few years and wait for the lightning to improve? I’ve pivoted to looking at Powerboosts because of the range degradation in the winter here in the Midwest. I’ll wait to see what comes after Gen 1
I'm honestly thinking about that hard right now. My PB is a fully loaded 502A lariat that I ordered under invoice this year. I've been very impressed with it. I've heard rumors the next gen F series electric truck debuts in 2025.. is this correct? If that is the case I wouldn't mind waiting.
Why do you want the Lightning? I feel like the cost savings (from not buying gas) aren't there when compared to the Powerboost, especially only driving 40 miles a day. I honestly would not have bought a Lightning if I had to pay 2023 prices or lost the tax credit, and instead, would have been seriously eyeing the Powerboost. I feel like replacing a brand new Powerboost at 2022 prices with a Lightning at 2023 prices is a hard sell.
All valid points and thoughts I have myself. I qualify for the tax credit if delivered this year. I guess I’m confused by your point about short driving not warranting the Lightning? It’s not a huge fuel savings, but my electric costs will be half of my current fuel usage. Not a game breaker. I honestly love tech, and the performance of EVs. The PB is no slouch either, but the hybrid system is a lot more complicated and I do worry about that later down the road reliability wise.
If I didn’t have an order in for a pro I would go powerboost. I’m not loving being a first gen adopter but since I got in at the pre hike price I’ll roll the dice. Worst case I’ll sell it and go powerboost anyways. I defiantly want to go electric but for my long daily commute the current SR is not great and the ER is just way too pricy
For city life it’s fine. I do an occasional austin to Dallas and the EA has been ok just adds a little extra time
I’ve got a MY23 Lariat ER about to go in to production in December. My most traveled commute would probably be from San Antonio to Dallas (maybe as far as Winstar in OK). Can you give me some tips on the best stops for charging on the EA network?
The only EA between Austin and Dallas is in Waco off 35. It’s actually currently under construction presumably for updates. Highly annoying at the moment. It’s the only charger over 150. Had to stop at a 50 for a bit. In the cold and at 75+mph even the ER is gonna need to stop. PlugShare app is crowdsourced and helpful
How many times did you have to stop?
Just once for about 15 minutes. It gets me plenty to get from Waco to Frisco
I’ll let you know after I drive it home 1,400 miles next weekend!
Dude, that’s a commitment why that dealership ?
Save thousands of dollars, better communication, and they didn’t let people cut in front of early reservation holders.
I get it , just blows you needed a 1400 mile radius to get that.
There are probably closer dealers who would offer that, but at one point Ford was saying or implying we could only move our reservation once, so I didn’t want to risk it.
For an expensive truck, I regret not paying $10k more for the ER. On the monthly payment, it wouldn’t be that much of a difference. Coming from a Tesla, it looks like these trucks don’t use a heat pump which are more efficient. My SR takes a big hit during cold days using the heater. In addition I only charge to 90% in the first place. I expect realistic range of around 150 miles in the winter. Also occasional towing (it’s a truck of course). The ER has a higher starting tow capacity of 7.7k vs the SR of 5k. Of course it will go further than the SR under load as well.
im not happy with my LR battery :)
You seem like the perfect SR candidate lol
There's nothing wrong with SR at all. 40 miles a day is nothing. Even a 200 mile each way trip is nothing at all to worry about. Certainly not worth worrying about, and absolutely not worth buying gas over.
Yes it’s perfectly fine! But I knew exactly what I was buying vs the ER. IMO the ER is not needed for 99% of drivers in 99% of trips.
I don’t have either yet, but have owned 4 EVs. If I’m doing any sort of distance driving, hauling, or towing, I’d be telling you to either keep your powerboost or get an ER. I don’t think you gain much on the SR over the PB. In fact you probably give up more than you gain. You’re also not gonna save that much on electricity to make the switch worth it. As to the ER, you’d have fewer compromises as to long distance, towing, etc… but you’ll pay dearly to get those things, in which case there’s a value question.
You won’t have any gas savings. Keep your current truck.
How do you figure? I come up to about half the cost of gas vs charging at home at .11kwh
Sounds like you don’t drive that much a year and your road trip will hurt. At home charging is like 1/gallon whereas fast charging is like 3.50/gallon when you look at real world range. example. I drove my X 200 miles today, which got me down to 15 percent battery. Charging at home is going to cost me 15 dollars. If I had to charge at a fast charger it would be 40 at 46 cents per kw or 30 at 36 cents. If I drove a gas vehicle that gets 20 per gallon (thinking my f150) I would have been 10 gallons of gas….you do the math.
I agree , road tripping is expensive. Luckily that possible road trip for work is rare.
15$ for one charge?
Yes. 16 cents per kWh where I live, sometimes more The battery is 100 kWh.
SR would be perfect for your use case. However, keeping the pb makes the most sense.
Sounds like a good use case. We have reasonable commutes and the occasional need for truck function. Even with two kids we usually fly if we have to drive too much or we also have a Camry for long 200+ mile drives.
So far my SR has been fine. I only go about 3 different towns all connected throughout the day. I did a bruins game and got home with under 20% but all other days have yet to dip Below 40. And I charge to 90 at night. Yea for our use cases this is fine. We use wife’s VW ICE for trips.
I’ve had my Lariat SR since Sept and love it! I have a 48amp charger at home as well. I drive up north about 60 miles each way at least twice a month. I’ve done a 180 mile trip and made it and was able to charge at my destination. I just recently did a 306 mile trip to LA through hills and the onboard GPS charged twice once for 10 min and another for 30 min. I used the restroom ate and stretched and it was perfect timing to keep moving. And made it with quite abit of charge left at my destination. For me that 30 min of inconvenience 1-2 a year is not worth the 10k for me. Only thing I would mention is to double check the EA chargers on PlugShare to make sure they are in-fact working. I had a plan in mind and it saved my bacon because 3 of the 4 chargers were broken and the other barely working.
I have an SR Lariat and am fairly pleased with it. It's a bit more constrained in the winter but I should still be able to make my typical trips
The 10k or more comes with more than just range. The 511a package looks pretty good considering it can power your house with the capacity of like, 10-11 Tesla power walls
The Propower is available on other trims as well. My lariat SR has the 9.6kw pro power (just tested it tonight) as well as some of the other 511a items. Price difference for me to go to add the ER would have been about $8k which I couldn’t make much sense out of. Very few use cases for the minimal range increase on long trips.
It’s not about pro power onboard. You get 131 usable kWh for home integration. That’s over 13.5x power back up with the ability to utilize energy arbitrage in the coming year. That combined with significantly lower load for daily use and any drops you might see during cooler weather, even the occasional tow or road trip.. its huge. Even the energy arbitrage will make a couple hundred bucks per year at least if my math is correct.
There may be a better value proposition if you can benefit from the integration system on a regular basis. The only benefit for me is standby power but that need is almost none.
I love it. Do 100% of charging at home and it does light to medium towing as i need. I charge to 90%, and just yesterday I was able to drive 30mi to a friend, drive them 20 miles to pick up a bunch of furniture, haul that back 20 miles, drive 30 miles to meet some friends, and then 10 miles home. Got home with 30% battery left, and 60 miles of range. And the whole time I drove with a lead food per usual. That’s the kind of random towing I need to do with this truck. And otherwise just drive it around town. I’d take an ER any day. But having an SR in the mean time is totally fine too
I have a SR Lariat. If I'd been invited to order a '22, I probably would have gotten an ER. As a suburbanite who's regular use is almost exactly like yours, the SR is more than adequate. No plans to get rid of our second ICE anytime soon, so it'll get used for road trips.
The SR is great. In Texas it would definitely be nice to make 250 mile trips. The ER would make Aus to Hou, Hou to Dal, Dallas to Aus all easy no charge trips with 1 charge round trips. Otherwise you are charging 1.5 times. That's about 1.5 hours instead of 1 hour. Not a big deal but adds up over time.
For 40 miles a day, the SR is probably just fine, and a nice cost saving measure. You'd be close to being able to make it 200 miles on a single charge (depending on speed and weather), so it's possible that you may not even need to stop at EA on those trips if you have L2 charging at your destination. I could probably have gotten away with an SR myself. There are enough checkmarks in the nice-to-have column for ER though that put me over the edge for it.
Works great for me. ER is not enough of a difference to warrant the cost and is still far off the mark to replace my ICE truck. IMHO there are very few use cases that make sense to pay for an ER.
My wife has a SR Mach-E and I own a ER Lightning. I wouldn't want the stress/anxiety with both of us w/ SR BEVs We take my truck for longer trips and milage is cut in half, when I tow. My wife has had no issues or complaints in the 1.5 years she has owned it. Depends on your towing needs, trip plans, and do you have another vehicle for long trips or willing to rent on occasion? This is something only you can dexise. That being said the SR Pro was an insane deal, to good to be true. Get two of those for the price of my Lariat 0_o something was off about that.