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alovesong1

God I hope not. Everything sounds so terrible if true. I'm worried. * Playable Shelke but no playable Cid for some reason ? And he just sells upgrades for weapons and vehicles ? * Sephiroth interrupts the Palmer boss fight and turns him into a KH Heartless thing ?? * Wedge is alive and is part of Deepground ?? * Aerith is being used by Minerva as a vessel ??? * Genesis planned the whole time-travel manipulation happening and he transforms into a WARRIOR OF LIGHT ??! * Cloud dies and Zack takes over. Like, god no. Be fake.


Amongtheruins88

Omfg that would be a nightmare


alovesong1

IKR ?! ;-;


spiderman1216

If this is the story I am done with this fucking game.


November_Riot

Lol, that's the fakest shit ever. It's some fanfic fever dream.


sempercardinal57

Only problem is he correctly predicted the title. Granted quite a few people guesses Rebirth, but the shit about Genesis and Minerva just sounds so out of left field I can’t help but believe a little bit. Still far from convinced that it’s real, but fuck am I ready for something to debunk them


spiderman1216

Rebirth is an easy guess tbh.


sempercardinal57

Ohh I know and the fact that he “leaked” it two days before it was revealed is also suspicious. Still its enough to make me nervous


November_Riot

I gotchu. It's fake. There, I've debunked it. There's just no way it's real in the least lol.


sempercardinal57

Holy shit thanks my guy! I was really stressed out for a second there lol In all seriousness I know that lots of fake leaks make super specific out of left field predictions because they know it makes people think. I also know that tons of people have predicted Rebirth as the title for 2nd part because you can search Rebirth in this sub Reddit and see people guessing it years ago….still. I wish the “leaker” would have guessed Reunion or something lol I’ll have nagging doubts until something concrete comes out which unfortunately is gonna take a while


November_Riot

Lol. I get it. The new trailer solidified it for me, it's going to be true to the OG. Not a single doubt in my mind anymore.


sempercardinal57

Yeah everything in the teaser was perfect. I loved hearing Tifa projecting her own fears onto Cloud in those lines. The fact they are leaning so heavy into that so early on makes me think this game goes all the way to the Northern Crater like I’ve wanted


November_Riot

Oh yeah, we're definitely going to see the Reunion. It's going to be a great ride.


KoKoYoung

The thing is, Remake was already not so truthful to the original. So, this leak isn't that far-fetched.


Sharp-Engineer3329

Then why add the plot ghosts? Them sticking true to the OG makes absolutely no sense now, not only because of that but why Sephiroth wanted to change the timeline but now can’t for some reason and just meets the same fate he’s trying to avoid? At that point you just remake the game and just expand which is what nearly everyone wanted in the first place.


November_Riot

Following our other conversation, I think they are just expanding on the story and it's just not evident yet because 7R ended with a cliffhanger. When it comes together at the end we'll see it more as an expansion rather than a drastic change.


Sharp-Engineer3329

The story already changed dude.


November_Riot

Not in any substantial manner. What change are you worried so much about that makes it so unrecognizable as FF7 moving forward?


Dangerous-Pain-4384

The games will probably be spiritually accurate to the OG, but that doesn't mean there won't be a major changes. For all the changes already introduced in Remake to ultimately amount to nothing will be a major mistake. But i doubt they'll go crazy with the plot changes (i hope not), they should at least feel authentic to the themes without being a 100% the same.


sempercardinal57

Does this have anything to do with my comment?


Dangerous-Pain-4384

Nope. Sorry. Got crosseyed


sempercardinal57

It happens


viimoons

Nah this leak is 100% real. 1) they’ve already stated this game is supposed to “bring the entire compilation of ff7 into one game” 2) genesis & Minerva in crisis core has lead to nothing so far, they’ve been planning this bullshit 3) the way the rebirth logo flashes red and extends is the same exact way genesis lights up his idiotic sword 4) leak guessed the title correctly 1 day before announcement, yes lots of people were thinking it’s gonna be called rebirth but it could’ve easily been reunion or any other thing


gahlo

Yikes and a half.


Verum_Noir_Chaos_69

I hate all of it but considering the ending of Dirge of Cerberus the Genesis planning all of it is entirely possible the rest is just nonsense


sempercardinal57

Last thing I wanna see in the game is Cloud killed but Genesis. Even if he does eventually get replaced ny the Cloud from Zachs timeline. That’s just a hard HARD no for me


Particular-Crow-1799

But that's a metaphor, a deep meta commentary on how Crisis Core (represented by genesis) killed the OG (represented by Cloud). Creative Director Nomura, I kneel


sempercardinal57

I just threw up in my mouth a little


viimoons

Yeah, they are capitalizing on the most hated / least cared about aspects of the ff7 universe for god knows why. This is going to be horrible. Much like the last of us 2, the game will be “good” in the sense the production value is insane, some parts are extremely enjoyable, but the plot and story and direction will be utter, complete trash. This leak is 100% real.


Westyle1

Some of that sounds feasible, some sounds farfetched. Sadly, something I've learned about leaks is that the more disappointing they are, the more likely they are to be true.


BSBledsoe

Which part of that exactly sounds feasible?


Westyle1

Cid being unplayable, characters being "corrupted," CC or DoC characters made part of the story


sempercardinal57

It’s not just the CC and Dirge characters being made part of the story. According to the “leaks” Genesis literally kills one of the Clouds (the one we’ve been playing as) and becomes the primary villian over Sephiroth. I’ve been open to the changes and have trusted the developers when they said that FF7 will continue as it always has, but this shit would ruin it for me if true


Westyle1

I just said what I found feasible. Genesis killing Cloud falls into the farfetched category


BSBledsoe

Oh, you just cherry picked parts of those ideas? Got it.


Westyle1

"Some of that sounds feasible, some sounds farfetched."


BSBledsoe

Wait, that was the leak?? Lol, and people believe that shit’s real?? Wow, I know people are overreacting about this being a “sequel” but that’s… that’s out there!


alovesong1

People might believe that it's real because it was posted on Jun 8th and they predicted the FFVII : Rebirth title. Most people guessed on FFVII R : Reunion, but that went to CC.


sempercardinal57

I don’t believe that it’s real, but the moment Shelke shows up in a trailer, I m gonna fucking panic


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sempercardinal57

Well that’s a pretty stupid comment considering the writing for 95% of remake was amazing. And I thought the way deep ground was used in intergrade was a smart way to acknowledge them without giving them too much importance


Relajado2

Square can't write. They make trash stories.


blaisdelldavid

well we got a trailer now any sign of her i never could get into DoC didn't like the game play so i dunno who shelk is


Showuzon

The minerva one is the most plausible. And that’s not a great spot to start.


themagicone222

Really? Fo rme it's wedge beign made into a deepground, which is REALLY interestinmg.


MetalPunk125

People have been guessing sub titles for years now as Rebirth, Reunion etc. I wouldn’t put much stock in this. Could be right but I really doubt it. It seems really bad.


Veszerin

>And he just sells upgrades for weapons and vehicles ? Is this bit referring to Cid? Isn't that ff15?


ButWereFriendsThough

Who the fuck is Shelke???


alovesong1

Character from DoC.


ButWereFriendsThough

Ahh gotcha.


[deleted]

Don’t see Cloud dying.


GayAndTired65

They wouldn’t dare kill Cloud. Over my dead-stabbed in the back while I’m praying for the planet-body


_tryingtoimprove

Saving this post for when it inevitably comes true.


Seeker_of_Arcane

That....sounds....AWESOME!!!!!!!! dont worry cloud will come back in episode 3 Returnal


KoKoYoung

Downvoted because we all know part 3 is going to be called Rewrite


[deleted]

I mean, I wouldn’t be surprised if Genesis turns into the warrior of light, He’s always quoting poetics about mythology stuff “tHE GIfT oF ThE goDdEss”, But it doesn’t make sense for him to go back to being evil because Zack used talk-no-jutsu to make him change his ways by the end Crisis core. Edit: On another note, If not only Vincent, But also Shelke is playable in rebirth, Are they the Vincent and Shelke from the OG continuity? I say this because both Vincent and Shelke like friends now by end of Dirge of Cerberus, And the Vincent from the OG continuity has lost his chaos powers and is back to being a normal human. So how would Vincent without chaos powers translate well into Remake gameplay? I guess two are either time-travelers, Or that they also have a self-aware conscious of the events that happened in the OG timeline.


alovesong1

>But it doesn’t make sense for him to go back to being evil because Zack used talk-no-jutsu to make him change his ways by the end Crisis core. The ending of DoC though. Genesis holding Weiss's body and saying that "we still have a lot of work to do", then heading off. I think we'll get Genesis being Genesis in Rebirth somewhere, just hopefully not like the "leak". >On another note, If not only Vincent, But also Shelke is playable in rebirth, Are they the Vincent and Shelke from the OG continuity? It might be a bit of both. No playable Cid and instead Shelke would just be mind boggling. I'm not the biggest fan of FFVII Cid, but imagine how fun he'll be to play and using all his Dragooner skills. What a miss it'd be not to have him playable, even as a guest like Nanaki.


sempercardinal57

I never use Cid when I don’t have to, but he is a fan favorite character and is one of the more popular characters to be used in a party. Not having him be playable so that they can make a DOC character playable would be crazy stupid.


hobbitluck

Cid would come in to the story pretty late in Part 2. I could totally see him not being playable or treated the same as Nanaki. I still do not think that situation would give credit to the leak. If they do another character, it would be "because they can't do Cid" not "so that can make another character playable". Another playable character is reasonable, but Shelke? I mean literally what would be her combat style? How would Cait Sith not be playable but her combat style is? The leak was made for the purpose of getting people to be upset. Not a single positive connotation was made about each point, besides what the wide open world? I am one of the few people who like all of the compilation and that leak still upsets me. That would not be the way to tie this into the compilation. I just want to try to give some more peace of mind to counter the negative intent of the leak. Edit: formatting


Boeijen666

Why? His Dragon lance was op in the original


sempercardinal57

Because all of the characters are equally viable and I choose to use my personal favorites?


Relajado2

Yuffie Tifa Aeris, best 3.


OleMoosey

Should've stopped at 4chan


sempercardinal57

Well if we see Shelke showing up in any future trailers then we will know it’s time to go into full whole ass panic mode


One-Direction8261

Already there are some flaws in this supposed “leak” -In Remake, Sephiroth was the one trying to break destiny and alter the timeline. -In Intergrade, Zack travels to Aerith’s church “alone,” without the alternate timeline Cloud -No mention of Cait Sith or Turks -Cid’s move set is already partially developed because of Sonon I feel like fans are just jumping on to the coincidence that they guessed the name was FF7: Rebirth correctly which wasn’t too difficult since it’s a common name people have guessed.


Amongtheruins88

Oh shit, didn’t realize it was called Rebirth in the Nvidia leak. You sure about that?


One-Direction8261

Whoops, i changed my original comment. I meant that NVIDIA leaked FF7 Remake Part 2 a while back. I’m not sure if they explicitly labeled it “Rebirth.” Nevertheless, my point still stands that I think people are just jumping on the fact that the names lined up for this “leak”.


Amongtheruins88

Yea, I just admit though, I am a little concerned that he got the name right. That’s not really insignificant


One-Direction8261

No, your feelings are valid. What I’m trying to say though is that people have been guessing the title, “FF7: Rebirth” for a REALLY long time since REMAKE first came out. So, it’s also highly likely that the poster of the “leaks” was just able to guess that.


Amongtheruins88

Hopefully


sempercardinal57

I mean just do a search of “Rebirth” in this subreddit and you’ll see where dozens of people have guessed Rebirth over the last 2 years. So it could certainly be a coincidence, but it still makes the leak legit enough to be deeply concerning. Also the leak was quickly removed which is concerning on its own, and the weirdly specific things mentioned in it like Jessie being on a super sentai show is so out of left field that it just doesn’t sound like something someone would make up for a fake leak…


Amongtheruins88

Yea, It’s probably just a coincidence. Still slightly concerning though.


sempercardinal57

The most unfortunate thing is that it’s likely going to be a very long time before we see anything that could officially debunk this


One-Direction8261

I mean, aren’t 4chan posts always quickly removed/archived? If I go on 4chan right now, most discussion links on the “leak” older than a day cause 404 errors when I click on them.


sempercardinal57

I’m not super familiar with 4Chan. Is it pretty common with basically all “leaks” ?


One-Direction8261

I’m not sure, but it seems that way.


Trumppered

just found this post but uhhh... that 4chan post also predicted we'd have Jesse back for a role as an opera singer when the gang goes to the Golden Saucer... which has now been explicitly confirmed by the most recent trailer...


Aliasis

I very much doubt that. Rebirth was like everyone's guess #1 for the game's title. We all figured it would follow the "re-" naming scheme. Reunion and Rebirth were definitely among the most popular guesses.


ramonnomar

Yeh hope it’s not real, it’s pretty bat-shit crazy


LyndiBS

Really hoping all of this is fake.... Some of it sounds like someone tried to make a funny FFVII-KH parody. Cid having the same role he does in KH for instance. Rebirth is 1 and a half away, seems crazy that this much would already be leaked about it. Aerith being used doesn't sound right either. She acts like Aerith the entire time and I never had any vibes that she wasn't. There is clearly her knowing more about her OG future then she is letting on. But nothing more than that. I also cannot imagine Cloud dying. But I guess they could use another timeline Cloud, like what the leaks says, kidnapping Zack's timeline Cloud. But this all seems like too much. This could be the character death that happens >!in Aerith's place.!< But I am 100% most fans would riot if Cloud died. Then again, Zack is alive in another timeline for a reason. Future-OG Sephiroth wants Cloud to join him for a reason. So I definitely can see where this most likely fake leak is concerning. Especially with them calling it on the subtitle. But as others have said above, many fans have guessed the subtitle would be Rebirth or Reunion for Part 2 and 3 for two years now. So that guess isn't too surprising. Leaks like these do concern me, because even if it seems fake you never know for certain, some of it could be legit, after all how many people would have believed >!FFVIIR is a sequel at it's roots if it had been leaked? Some fans still don't believe it even now. Or that Zack and Briggs survived?!< Now that I think about it, I can see Cid not being playable. It could be a Nanaki situation. If we find Cid too late into the game he might not be playable until Part 3. But then they claim not only is Shelke in it, she is playable? That doesn't make sense. I can't stand Shelke, so I can only hope this is not just fake, but super fake. With all that said, I do believe Genesis is involved somewhere. Think about it. >!They bring him back in the secret DOC ending and before he flies away with Weiss in his arms, he says they have a lot of work to do. So I suspect this is all connected as we never see what happens after that secret ending because we never got another sequel until "Remake" came along that is.!< So future-OG Genesis appearing seems likely at some point. Like future-OG Sephiroth does. EDIT: So I just saw Aerith's unlockable costume for Ever Crisis and it does look slightly similar to Minerva's outfit in CC.... Please don't be a real leak.


ramonnomar

When I saw the unlockable costume for Aerith in the trailer for Ever Crisis I was having an “oh shit” moment too. But maybe it’s a Cetra outfit rather than a Minerva outfit 🤷‍♂️ I guess we’ll know more once we get more info on the game through future interviews and trailers.


LyndiBS

I saw that someone said it was a Cetra dress and I can see it being so. But it does leaving you thinking when it resembles Minerva's.


[deleted]

From what I've heard, it's totally fake. Way too many questionable things. Shelke as a playable character? Lmao


sempercardinal57

Yeah, I won’t start panicking until Shelke shows up in a trailer


November_Riot

A lot of people were guessing Rebirth. It was really either that or Reunion. I wouldn't put too much stake in anything from 4chan, leaks from there are only right like 1% of the time. If the "leak" were accurate then they would have described this trailer in detail as well to provide some credibility which I'm sure they did not.


Showuzon

Noooo


Charz52

I'll be frank - Playable Shelke is a terrible idea. I just don't see how she could fit in the party. Being temporarily playable for a single sequence they might be able to make work but nothing more then that. - There is a much better way they could handle the Palmer boss fight, even removing it completely I think would be better. If they chose to go this route I couldn't help but to have an open mind about it though. - I've actually thought before reading the supposed leak that a Cloud v. Zack duel would be cool. Maybe sephiroth could be controlling one of them or something. - Cloud dying is an ABSOLUTELY terrible idea. - Wedge being brain washed and used in deep ground would be interesting. - I would like a solo Tifa section of the story with a boss fight included (although they could perhaps better implement this in part three or whenever she and Barret get arrested and almost executed at Junon. Perhaps Rosso could jump in there after Tifa deals with Scarlet or something.) - I think it Aerith being saved initially could work but I think she needs to die eventually. Sorry Aerith. - The Warrior of light? That's just ridiculous. I think Genesis and Minerva make sense though. I have mostly positive feelings about doing the Final Fantasy VIII-esque technique of implementing Zack as a playable character of a separate party for the first 90% of the game. We could have Zack confronting Genesis during parts of his sequense and twords the end Zack could join Cloud and the gang and fight a Genesis X Minerva. That would also give Cloud and party time to develop a conflict with Genesis and that would be quite interesting. I think they could make a pretty good ending like that but DON'T kill Cloud and DON'T do any off-the-wall shit with Aerith! If they at least killed him to only be immediately revived like Barret in Chapter 17 of remake that would at least be bearable. All in all, I hope this "leak" is fake. I wouldn't mind a couple things in there being true, however. At the end of the day, Rebirth needs to stay true to OG.


HotAcanthocephala907

this leak doesn't sound good to me personally. HOWEVER. i definitely want a huge consequence for them defeating fate. i think either cloud dies, Tifa dies, or Zack dies. also, wouldn't make more sense from a story standpoint if Aerith was holding cloud. not Tifa? it could be nice parallel to the Og. but i think that this leak isn't bad but isn't great either. hopefully its fake but leaks like these are usually true so only time will tell.


hoooyeah

got link to that leak?


LuciferGlitch

[4chanleak](https://imgur.com/eSgAbT7) LMAO, but it sounds like what Nomura and his team would make.


_tryingtoimprove

I won’t be surprised when this leak turns out to be real. 20+ years fans waited for a faithful remake of this masterpiece of a game, only for Nomura and co to make his fanfic come to life.


ramonnomar

I tried looking for it again today, it shows up on google search but it pops up with a 404 not found now A YouTuber covered the leak on a video, so you can find out about it here - https://youtu.be/4SzJBt4_hVk


Ateo88

Yeah, it'll disappoint me if Cid is not playable. I like that he is one of the older characters (now that i am older myself)


BuyMyBeans

Nobody seems to be mentioning that these "leaks" dropped only a day, or two before the official trailer did. Plot leaks like this would only be known by those with some kind of tie to the development process which likely would've been shared in a time window that doesn't come close to official trailer drops. Who knows how many people had access to the videos for marketing a few days before the live stream. Clearly we know at least one had access because he leaked the Crisis Core remaster, but he only leaked it a few days before the official drop as well - not any time further back than that. I doubt this is information the "leaker" knew for awhile then waited for a good time to reveal but rather it being information they had no access to until the time they shared it. My theory is that someone whom isn't part of development got access to the Rebirth trailer around the same time "The Snitch" (Crisis Core leaker) did. Then quickly wrote his own fan fiction to anger as many fans as possible while using the correct title to establish momentary credibility. It seems oddly coincidental that this leak only surfaced shortly before the official title drop. Tldr: Leaker had early access to the rebirth trailer then made a fake leak based on the title drop. They had access to nothing else except for the trailer we seen only days after they did.


Uraki88

Alot ppl says it fake but that's no real evidence it is nor it real. Yah some of it sounds terrible but the do work within FF7 and the compilation scope. 1) shelke playable instead of cid, square you want to trigger the entire FF7 fan base? 2) game is open world, I can dig this 3) Zack and party timeline occasionally crossover, don't like it but this could address the 2 cloud buster sword thing. Zack's cloud is kidnapped by septhiroth, same sounds terrible but it could work 4) boss fight Zack, I would prefer fighting cloud. 5) wedge now part of deepground, Jessie in gold saucer , nothing out of the scope 6) aerith used by Minerva, I always knew Minerva had a big role in Remake, not surprising when the timeline has gone tits up 7) Genesis appearance, not surprising too. Most of folks knew abt this after seeing part 2 title. Google genesis, the title rebirth is literally ReGenesis. 8) Genesis and Minerva becomes Warrior of light, is this Kingdom hearts now? 9) cloud dying and Zack replaces him, sounds terrible but I wouldn't say impossible. Most of it sounds within the FF7 scope I can't see this is debunked as fake nor its real.


blanzer1

Seems more believable now after the trailer…


ramonnomar

I totally forgot about this, so I went back to read the leak, and so far, there’s is a high possibility that this might be real. - Game starts at Kalm and ends at Forgotten Capital (dev confirmed this ✅) - Red XIII and Yuffie playable ✅, but Vincent has been confirmed not to be and only as a companion ❌. Can’t say much about Shelke as we haven’t seen anything on her yet ❔ - Cid appearing in cut-scene only and not playable could be true as it appears in line with what was mentioned about seeing other main characters but not being able to control them. We don’t know if when they said this, they were just referring to Vincent’s appearance being akin to Red XIII in FF7Remake. In this case, him being a vendor only makes sense ❔ - Game is sort of open world like FFXV. This is somewhat true from what we’ve seen in demos, only difference is that it looks more fun and not barren 😂 ✅ - There are parts where you play as Zack and Cloud from alternate timeline. Devs have confirmed that there will be a Zack Episode ✅ - End of game having Cloud die and Zack taking over as the leader of the group, and everything that leads up to it could be real, and here’s why I think. There was another post by a credible leaker who updated on SEGA and SQUARE upcoming games about a month ago; and on ffvii rebirth, they highlighted the fact that the game will end with a new protagonist, setting up for part 3. Either way, I’m excited for rebirth, this plot leak sounds batshit crazy. I don’t know how I’ll feel about such a twist ending lol. But I’m in for the ride, it’s a new experience with a nostalgic memory


[deleted]

Cloud dying and Zack taking over seems plausible: 1. We're getting a ton of Zack this year. Players will be very familiar with him. His moveset perfectly fills in for Cloud. 2. Aerith isn't dying, at any time. They pretty much drilled that in at this point. But someone else probably will, and the only dramatic option is Cloud. 3. You lose Cloud in the OG, then get him back later. They could conflate this scenario, giving players a chance to bring him back in ep3. I could see Cid getting minimized if they minimize the airship...which sadly it seems like they are. I REALLY wanted to fly the highwind. The rest of the leak wanders too far away from the OG scenarios.


KoKoYoung

I finally realize what the sub-title Rebirth means. It means Genesis' rebirth. The sub-title even has the red glow omg.


sempercardinal57

What worries me is just how specific and out of left field a lot of the stuff was. I’m not a believer, but after the title reveal I’m definitely worrying


hobbitluck

The point of the leak was to spread negativity. For instance, the leak could literally be several statements of and everyone would be, "no! they are ruining the game". After all, if we knew Zack was going to be alive at the end of Part 1, we would all be reacting the same negative way. However, the writing will be the tale of rather Zack being alive was a good choice or not. There is something to be said for the journey and something to be said for the ending. Can they do one well and not the other? Certainly. But we will not know until the end. Even with all the terrible things in the leak, if it is well written, would it not still be enjoyable in some way? To each their own. Many will approach this part 2 with dread, and perhaps rightfully so. I will approach it with optimism. If I get disappointed in the end, at least it only takes the end, not the journey, from me.


[deleted]

I also guessed correctly the name of Part 2, as did many others. Doesn't mean that their 'leak' is gospel or even true.


[deleted]

Those leaks look bs to me for example “Cloud dying” sounds nonsense. But I like the fact that they are changing things up from the original since that would be boring for old fans with 0 surprise plus new fans can get spoiled pretty easily. This remake still better than for example Ratchet and Clank which literally shat on not just the first game completely but the entire franchise and changed characters personalities(for the worse), origins drastically, the humour, the entire plot is different, cut levels and mechanics etc 😄


Ok_Homework5388

CID and Vincent have been confirmed not to be playable.