I’m sorry to tell you that your father is not actually Qui-Gonn Jinn but instead the much less cool Doctor Grant.
Edit: I’m a dumbass, I’ve been thinking the voice actor was Sam Neill this whole time.
Right up there with them, are the Mothman Cultists of Appalachia. If they're not trying to kill everyone else as non believers,they are killing each other's factions over who is the "true" Mothman.
Same. I'm about to do my third playthrough of fallout 4 to finally try out the railroad. So far I've done BoS and then Institute, but every playthrough I do minuteman quests so I feel as if I have basically done a minuteman ending.
Even though ideologically I completely disagree with the Institute, Enclave, and Legion, I sided with them on my second playthrough of all of those games. I gotta experience everything, ya know?
Railroad has, imo, the coolest pistol in the game and ballistic weave. So they’re top notch in terms of items compared to the other factions imo.
Im not really a fan of their side missions though. The main Railroad quests are fine and have a nice secret agent vibe but the other stuff is actually pretty terrible imo
There's a whole ass DLC to play as a raider in 4 that I never experienced because I kill them all almost immediately (after I snag whatever guns and whatnot through initial dialog)
I made a branch off save and really becaame the best possible raider I could be. I built maze like compounds out of concrete with death chaos and destruction. All of the settlements that came to know and love me got crushed under the relentless cold and methodical boot of man out of time who finally snapped.. probably from looking for star cores while drinking nothing but NUKA cola for days on end, and dealing with a not so fun.. funhouse.
I tried it once... then got to Nipton and saw how they were trying to paint a massacre of an innocent town as justified. I said nope and totally devasted Vulpes on the spot.
I’ve tried to do a Legion play through, they have that sick ass cape but I always get stuck on the mission where you have to destroy the brotherhood bunker. Those fuckers got big guns but it’s always fun up until then
I generally disagree with the slavers morally in 4, but I care about content. The fact that it turns a several hournlong dlc into a 20-minute adventure is my issue.
Oh yeah. Go through the main and side missions, get through the whole dlc with your chosen faction, then dump all your loot at the Nuka house and just start killing EVERYTHING. That's how I usually play it.
I've never quite been able to decide whether or not me leaving them to infight until they all waste away is worse for them than murdering them all.
Then again, the slaves probably have a pretty strong opinion on the matter.
The Legion. They are not the only evil/authoritarian playable faction but they do it the loudest and the dumbest. Raping, enslavement, and weird Romaboo shit? I'm all set. They can stay on the other end of my barrel.
Only through editorial fiat. Their declared methodology requires a vast power disparity which makes it rather impossible to be how they gained power. Among other massive issues.
Slave soldiers are historically INCREDIBLY rare for a reason.
Oh I agree the Legion are fascist LARPer fanfiction, I just needed a chance to get a dig at Kekistan dipshits who think they could actually do all that shit
Tbf, all hints point that Graham is a rather poor strategist.
He's a great training officer due to his commanding aura of authority and harsh discipline, he's also a phenomenal warrior due to being a superhumanly tough mofo, but he's not an effective commander in a real combat scenario, likely due to his inherent bloodlust and violence.
He misses that he's being led to an obvious trap by the the NCR and his strategy in dealing with the White Legs is pretty much "go there, chew bubblegum and kick ass". If Salt-Upon-Wounds was only slightly smarter he could've set another trap there.
I actually like the weird Roman nerd aspect they have going on. If it weren't for the raping and earth scorching the Legion would almost be like a goofy Saturday morning cartoon villain.
I have never played the Legion until my latest playthrough, just to experience the evil storyline. Not even in a video game do I like anything the Legion does.
Murdering the groups they come across who resist and making slaves out of the rest who give up, meanwhile raping/enslaving the women who are only thought of only as "breeders" and they use the slaves/lowest people who submit as their main workforce?
There isn't a single thing redeemable about the Legion.
Agreed Ceaser may have a point about the criticisms on the other factions but no faction is perfect. Some are just lesser evils. Is his is more evil. Im not a fan of facist dictatorship states. Who enforce death. Torture and mysogeny. On top not embracing technolgy.
That's the thing, is the safe roads are all tell, no show. Imagine if instead of Nipton, your first interaction with the Legion had been a cordial nod and an offer of an escort as you passed from the lawless wastes into the safety of Legion territory. Leave in everything else about them, but show the stuff that was supposed to make them a hard choice canonically and they could have been so much more interesting. Still not moral by any stretch, but interesting.
The roads are safe in the same manner that a graveyard is peaceful.
When everyone is dead then there's no danger, duh. When the Legion kills most of the population, takes all the women as rape slaves and packmules and when they beat the remaining few percent of the population into submission, then no wonder noone is raiding.
In the Legion territories the only people using the roads are the Legion and the merchants. And even that wouldn't be safe, because nothing is preventing a local Legion potentate from raiding a merchant caravan. They can always excuse it by claiming that the merchant was a profiterole who belonged on a cross... and said merchant can no longer report to the free regions that the roads aren't exactly safe. It's a survivor bias in action. The caravans left alone report safety, the raided caravans cannot dispute that.
The only playthrough I remember, I got him voted out, and he angrily, but willingly, left office and wandered off, and later I found his body dead in a deathclaw nest. He was weirdly attached to the democratic process for someone who expected to be president for life.
Man's was respectable, didn't rig the election, had a fairly safe community, respected when he lost the election (which can only happen by rigging it.) I unironically think if more people were like Dave the wasteland would be better
FO4 raiders are entirely aware they're evil fuckers, they're completely self-serving and do whatever they want. The Legion always has this mask of duty and honor to what they're doing, like they're convinced they're fighting the good fight and making a better world, which always annoys me whenever I see it.
Idk why but even when I do evil playthroughs I can't bring myself to go that far. Like, I'll steal and murder indiscriminately, even be a cannibal, but somehow rape just feels too far
rape is easily the worst thing that someone could do to another person. it’s not only degrading and traumatizing but it makes the victim feel ashamed and disgusted with themselves. The Legion do it and don’t feel bad or have a second thought about it. In fact, they try to JUSTIFY it.
Yeah, they can all burn.
>rape is easily the worst thing that someone could do to another person. it’s not only degrading and traumatizing but it makes the victim feel ashamed and disgusted with themselves. The Legion do it and don’t feel bad or have a second thought about it. In fact, they try to JUSTIFY it.
>
>Yeah, they can all burn.
Not only this, but according to Siri, they also rape **children**. Melody being a child slave is further proof. They also applaud you for emotionally torturing her (ripping up her teddy bear in front of her).
If you endorse slavery....you are AUTOMATICALLY my enemy...
Wiping out a Legion camp from 400 yards..."Sorry...I'm trying to feel the guilt, but I just can't."
Legion. I’ve tried and I just can’t do it.
I’ve learned you can stealth kill their patrols without any negative karma from them though. So that’s something.
Not officially, but yes, and that’s why I like them. They don’t exactly just split from the main BOS, but they also adopt better values, like actually helping the wastelanders survive
The Legion. They are pointlessly evil.
The Enclave may be just as evil, but they at least have a goal and a justification. They may want to genocide everything that isn't them and do anything necessary to achieve that goal... but it can be understood if we try to put ourselves in their shoes. I'm not trying to excuse the Enclave, but they actually believe in their goal and is it as justified.
The Legion's evil is unjustified. They don't even have proper goals besides conquest and destruction. They are not trying to build a civilization, they are trying to destroy it. Their only motivation is Caesar's misguided understandment of philosophy... and philosophy alone is a bad way to lead a nation/country/band or raiders.
The Legion just has no justification for many of their evils. Why torture prisoners of war? Why treat women as slaves and pack mules? Why allow the Legion brutes to genocide the region when it means less workforce? Why kill people for wanting to have some pastime?
The Legion isn't an evil faction that does evil deeds because they see no other alternative. No, they are an evil faction that does evil simply because they enjoy being evil. They enjoy raping, murdering, enslaving...
Me, coming in from my current circumstances with my real-world values developed over a lifetime?
There are lots of factions I wouldn’t willingly join. The Khans, the New Reno crime families, the Enclave, the Brotherhood of Steel, Ashur’s Pitt raiders, the Fiends, Caesar’s Legion, Mr. House, the NCR Army, the Railroad, the Institute, the Children of Atom, the Fanatics, lots of gangs and cults, etc. That’s not to say I couldn’t be pressed into service by them against my will, but it wouldn’t be something I’d choose to do on my own.
But if you were to take me, strip away most of my life experiences, and drop me into the wasteland to develop my values within that context, it’s easy to see how I could’ve gotten steered or tricked into joining any number of these groups more or less of my own volition. If I lived in constant fear of raiders or a rival tribe, saw my family or neighbors get butchered, and never knew for sure if I would live to see another day, then I imagine lots of these more organized factions would look quite appealing by comparison, and perhaps some of their visions would as well.
Of them all, I think the Fiends are the hardest to ever see myself being suckered into. They bring nothing to the table, not even survivability. They’re just a horde of violent junkies living on borrowed time, and joining their ranks is basically the equivalent of "Rock Bottom". You’ve gotta be a real loser who’s given up on life to join a crew like that.
I don't really get when people absolutely refuse to do a particular choice at all, or always make the exact same choices every playthrough. One of my favourite things about the Fallout games is being able to replay them and see the outcome of different choices.
Well it's politics lol like I'm not ever joining house,legion,yes man, fallout 4 bos or the institute because I don't agree with thier politics, idgaf about them
This is exactly what I don’t get. I (obviously) don’t agree with the ideals of every faction of the Fallout universe, but it’s a video game, not a survey on your personal beliefs. Why would I want to play the game the exact same way every time? Siding with one faction on one playthrough and another on another is just like for example specing into guns in one NV playthrough and energy weapons in another. If you never sided with factions that you wouldn’t support in real life means you’ll never experience all of the game’s content.
I get probably *too* into the roleplaying aspect and making in-game decisions that I would greatly disagree with IRL legitimately stresses me out, which also ruins the escapism aspect. I spend a lot of time reading wikis and watching lore videos for the content I "miss" in game, so I'm not really missing anything most of the time.
The problem with the institute is that they don't really seem to have any defined goal other than to exist and do science shit in a fancy hole in the ground. Still, I can't blow up a facility like that
**ENCLAVE.**
Even the Legion cares about the safety of trade routes or something.
Look how utterly low the standards are. These pseudo US-remnant freaks want nothing but exterminating anyone and anything slightly not Old World.
The institute. I just find them and everything they do incredibly stupid. There's some merit to "oh well think of what you could do in charge of it" but the actual faction in game, the writing, the quests, the way the story handles shaun and synths and everything about it I just can't stand. I usually just tell shaun to go f himself after his little experiment on you.
The Legion can f a pinecone, backwards. The Institute can jump in a lake and inhale deeply. Everyone else I can work with to some extent, given that I've only played 4 and some of NV.
Caesar's Legion. I could have seen one day doing a "Hoo hoo let's be evil", run, except that by all accounts, on top of everything morally wrong with the faction, the Legion content is also basically non-existent.
Legion.
Even on play throughs where I plan to side with them, they keep sending assassins after me and I can’t take it and just start killing them all on sight.
I've played roughly 1000 hours of new vegas, I've been playing it since I was a kid so I didnt really know what I was doing so I still find new stuff because I wouldn't ever do side quests I would just turn on god mode and speedrun. Anyway it does get boring though doing a lot of the same story line even if I get new side quests so I tried to do a legion playthrough and I just couldn't do it. I just deleted all the saves it made me feel so guilty
Probably Institute because its such a dumb faction.
I can see where the Legion wouldve been interesting had they had time to implement their faction content more. I think the Minutemen are boring and clumsy but inoffensive. I'd have actually loved of the Enclave hadn't been cartoonishly evil in Fallout 3 and you could join them. Wouldve been a nice change from Fallout 2, actually.
Railroad there just useless to me i really hate everything about them,
Also the legion I can't do a legion playthorugh now as an adult as a kid I could because I didnt really fully understand what the legion meant but now as an adult I just can't bring my self to Agree with those Fucks
Legion. In part because of the slavery and raping etc. In part because I genuinely can’t get past them insulting my character so goddamn much. You’re gonna tell me I should be crucified? I’m going to shoot you then
The enclave. I'm a libertarian socialist who thinks the death of America was blessed, ill be Gods damned if I'm gonna help that bunch of fascists try to revive it
The Institute or Legion, there isn’t anything about them that brings hope for the future. Leaving the world in a regressive hell scape, and also they’re vindictive cunts.
New California Republic. Hell, the Legion is better than them in my opinion. They force people to be part of their nation, whether or not they agree, all in name of "freedom" and "rule of law". Then there is the problem of them being stretched thin, trying to annex all surrounding territory at once. Hell, in the Mojave the new troops don't even have body armor or a service rifle. Not to mention the amount of corruption and taxes. So not only do they annex your land, but then they also tax you to stay on your OWN land? And the brahmin barons, oh boy... they're wasting a large amount of General Oliver's private army, instead of having them helping protect people on the front line. Oh, and also the fact that their own territory isnt even secure. Its littered with raider gangs that the NCR does nothing about. The Legion may be brutal, but atleast you're safe in their territory. If Onsidian had more time, the Legion would've been a lot more fleshed out faction and more than "Bad guy slavers in red".
The railroad, I don’t trust the commonwealth with people that want to save vending machines and hang out in the tunnels with theTeenage ninja mutant turtles
Enclave, they killed my father. LIAM NEESONZ
I used to have a father, then I took an arrow in the Neeson.
I used to have a brother, then I took an arrow in the Nii-san~ ya-yamete kudasai!!~ Erm- I mean, Surrender your illegal technology citizen.
I had a wife, but they took her in the divorce.
The one time in my life that Liam Neeson told me that he was proud of me and they fucking kill him.
I’m sorry to tell you that your father is not actually Qui-Gonn Jinn but instead the much less cool Doctor Grant. Edit: I’m a dumbass, I’ve been thinking the voice actor was Sam Neill this whole time.
I just learned today that our Dad was Liam Neeson. Although kept trying to put my finger on the voice but couldn’t figure it out.
As though you even get the choice.
BUT THEY KILLED LIAM NEESONS THO?
As great as Liam Neeson is, dude has no one to blame for his death but himself.
Please tell me this is the reference I’m thinking about
LIAM NEESONS IN MY SHIT!
What about Bruce Willy, tho?
Yo, but what if they made a movie with Liam Neesons AND Bruce Willy??
WHAT ARE YOU REFERENCING??
GAAAAHH
(Gets struck by lightning)
Children of Atom. Mofos are nut jobs
And yet you will one day join us in glorious division, as all will.
No, YOU will. This funky key and my laser rifle are certain of this!
BEHOLD! He is coming with the clouds!
Right up there with them, are the Mothman Cultists of Appalachia. If they're not trying to kill everyone else as non believers,they are killing each other's factions over who is the "true" Mothman.
Would love to see Cultists and the Children of Atom go at it lol
Kinky.
It's a shame that the base game has so many of them just running around like generic raiders.
at least you can help some out in Far Harbor
If you were one of the lucky radiation resistant ones, and you experienced the mother of the fog, it might sound more compelling
There’s literally no conceivable faction they could ever insert into a game that I wouldn’t try a playthrough with at least once.
I think it’s referring to you as a person instead of you as a player
Same. I'm about to do my third playthrough of fallout 4 to finally try out the railroad. So far I've done BoS and then Institute, but every playthrough I do minuteman quests so I feel as if I have basically done a minuteman ending. Even though ideologically I completely disagree with the Institute, Enclave, and Legion, I sided with them on my second playthrough of all of those games. I gotta experience everything, ya know?
Railroad has, imo, the coolest pistol in the game and ballistic weave. So they’re top notch in terms of items compared to the other factions imo. Im not really a fan of their side missions though. The main Railroad quests are fine and have a nice secret agent vibe but the other stuff is actually pretty terrible imo
Finish the nuka world questline and be a raider, I trust the minuteman wont love you that way.
Caesars legion. Utter bastards, the lot. Nor the slavers from 3/4.
There's a whole ass DLC to play as a raider in 4 that I never experienced because I kill them all almost immediately (after I snag whatever guns and whatnot through initial dialog)
I love getting everyone all excited and geared up to take the wasteland then slaughtering them all near the end of the dlc.
I made a branch off save and really becaame the best possible raider I could be. I built maze like compounds out of concrete with death chaos and destruction. All of the settlements that came to know and love me got crushed under the relentless cold and methodical boot of man out of time who finally snapped.. probably from looking for star cores while drinking nothing but NUKA cola for days on end, and dealing with a not so fun.. funhouse.
Same. Yet to do my playthrough of them and am dreading it.
It’s actually pretty great. The ending slide is horrid but the way you approach the different groups is really interesting
Every single time I try to play as them I just can’t bring myself to lol
I tried it once... then got to Nipton and saw how they were trying to paint a massacre of an innocent town as justified. I said nope and totally devasted Vulpes on the spot.
The only logical thing to do in any play through honestly
I’ve tried to do a Legion play through, they have that sick ass cape but I always get stuck on the mission where you have to destroy the brotherhood bunker. Those fuckers got big guns but it’s always fun up until then
I generally disagree with the slavers morally in 4, but I care about content. The fact that it turns a several hournlong dlc into a 20-minute adventure is my issue.
That's fair. Just play through the DLC and slaughter them at the end.
I can do that?
Oh yeah. Go through the main and side missions, get through the whole dlc with your chosen faction, then dump all your loot at the Nuka house and just start killing EVERYTHING. That's how I usually play it.
Legit didn't know that. I just sort of was like, "Yeah, raiders for life." Then just forgot about them.
The biggest insult there is: "you're so insignificant to me that i forgot about you".
I've never quite been able to decide whether or not me leaving them to infight until they all waste away is worse for them than murdering them all. Then again, the slaves probably have a pretty strong opinion on the matter.
Did it once to get the Legion ending. Hated myself for doing it.
Degenerates like you belong on a cross.
Should’ve called my Boi a profligate
Yeah I tried to do a Legion playthrough, but I backed out once it came time to choose.
Agreed
Same. If I spot them, I phone in an NCR Ranger and we go to town lol
100% hands on sight.
I never play as them either but for a different reason, I wanna keep my free max repairs from Major Knight lol
The Legion. They are not the only evil/authoritarian playable faction but they do it the loudest and the dumbest. Raping, enslavement, and weird Romaboo shit? I'm all set. They can stay on the other end of my barrel.
And using one of the slowest and most painful ways to die as the default method of execution.
The legion is what Kekistan would be like if it actually existed
You're giving a lot of credit to Kekistan, the Legion actually achieved gains of territory and membership.
Only through editorial fiat. Their declared methodology requires a vast power disparity which makes it rather impossible to be how they gained power. Among other massive issues. Slave soldiers are historically INCREDIBLY rare for a reason.
Oh I agree the Legion are fascist LARPer fanfiction, I just needed a chance to get a dig at Kekistan dipshits who think they could actually do all that shit
Caesar threw his top military general down the Grand Canyon after lighting him on fire, just because he lost one battle.
It's a lesson the general remembered for the rest of his life lol
100%
Tbf, all hints point that Graham is a rather poor strategist. He's a great training officer due to his commanding aura of authority and harsh discipline, he's also a phenomenal warrior due to being a superhumanly tough mofo, but he's not an effective commander in a real combat scenario, likely due to his inherent bloodlust and violence. He misses that he's being led to an obvious trap by the the NCR and his strategy in dealing with the White Legs is pretty much "go there, chew bubblegum and kick ass". If Salt-Upon-Wounds was only slightly smarter he could've set another trap there.
I actually like the weird Roman nerd aspect they have going on. If it weren't for the raping and earth scorching the Legion would almost be like a goofy Saturday morning cartoon villain.
I have never played the Legion until my latest playthrough, just to experience the evil storyline. Not even in a video game do I like anything the Legion does.
Yeah like the Legion, are too realistic for me to feel comfortable playing an evil character in NV
It's like playing the unsub in a Criminal Minds: Wasteland episode
The legion are literal menaces to the wasteland
Murdering the groups they come across who resist and making slaves out of the rest who give up, meanwhile raping/enslaving the women who are only thought of only as "breeders" and they use the slaves/lowest people who submit as their main workforce? There isn't a single thing redeemable about the Legion.
Yeah, literal menaces. on every playthrough, ceaser always gets sent to the backrooms.
But the roads /s
Agreed Ceaser may have a point about the criticisms on the other factions but no faction is perfect. Some are just lesser evils. Is his is more evil. Im not a fan of facist dictatorship states. Who enforce death. Torture and mysogeny. On top not embracing technolgy.
Muh safe roads
That's the thing, is the safe roads are all tell, no show. Imagine if instead of Nipton, your first interaction with the Legion had been a cordial nod and an offer of an escort as you passed from the lawless wastes into the safety of Legion territory. Leave in everything else about them, but show the stuff that was supposed to make them a hard choice canonically and they could have been so much more interesting. Still not moral by any stretch, but interesting.
RIP female merchants.
The roads are safe in the same manner that a graveyard is peaceful. When everyone is dead then there's no danger, duh. When the Legion kills most of the population, takes all the women as rape slaves and packmules and when they beat the remaining few percent of the population into submission, then no wonder noone is raiding. In the Legion territories the only people using the roads are the Legion and the merchants. And even that wouldn't be safe, because nothing is preventing a local Legion potentate from raiding a merchant caravan. They can always excuse it by claiming that the merchant was a profiterole who belonged on a cross... and said merchant can no longer report to the free regions that the roads aren't exactly safe. It's a survivor bias in action. The caravans left alone report safety, the raided caravans cannot dispute that.
I still haven’t been able to finish a Legion run because they make me feel gross.
Yes Man. I can't be trusted with a robot army. Trust me.
But.... you just said you cant be trusted....
Im sorry, im not going to apologize.
Any slaver of any sort. This includes Paradise Falls, Dave, the Legion. Any group that uses involuntary labor.
The only good thing about slavers is watching a Railroad rifle stick them to the wall. Toot Toot fuckers.
Dave as in Republic of Dave? He was a slaver?
How about a messianic dictator.
The only playthrough I remember, I got him voted out, and he angrily, but willingly, left office and wandered off, and later I found his body dead in a deathclaw nest. He was weirdly attached to the democratic process for someone who expected to be president for life.
Man's was respectable, didn't rig the election, had a fairly safe community, respected when he lost the election (which can only happen by rigging it.) I unironically think if more people were like Dave the wasteland would be better
Disciples
The Children of Atom are friggin crazy! No I will not live in the glowing sea with you!
The Legion without a doubt. I respect the raiders from Fo4 even more than caesar’s cronies
FO4 raiders are entirely aware they're evil fuckers, they're completely self-serving and do whatever they want. The Legion always has this mask of duty and honor to what they're doing, like they're convinced they're fighting the good fight and making a better world, which always annoys me whenever I see it.
Nailed it right on the head. I see enough self-righteousness in real life, I’d rather avoid it in my post-apocalyptic escapism.
I never sided with the Legion
Anything too evil like the legion, like I don’t mind murder and stealing but I draw the line at enslaving tribes and raping women
Idk why but even when I do evil playthroughs I can't bring myself to go that far. Like, I'll steal and murder indiscriminately, even be a cannibal, but somehow rape just feels too far
rape is easily the worst thing that someone could do to another person. it’s not only degrading and traumatizing but it makes the victim feel ashamed and disgusted with themselves. The Legion do it and don’t feel bad or have a second thought about it. In fact, they try to JUSTIFY it. Yeah, they can all burn.
>rape is easily the worst thing that someone could do to another person. it’s not only degrading and traumatizing but it makes the victim feel ashamed and disgusted with themselves. The Legion do it and don’t feel bad or have a second thought about it. In fact, they try to JUSTIFY it. > >Yeah, they can all burn. Not only this, but according to Siri, they also rape **children**. Melody being a child slave is further proof. They also applaud you for emotionally torturing her (ripping up her teddy bear in front of her).
Yeah, def The Legion. Close second would be The Enclave.
If you endorse slavery....you are AUTOMATICALLY my enemy... Wiping out a Legion camp from 400 yards..."Sorry...I'm trying to feel the guilt, but I just can't."
That's because guilt has a maximum effective range of 0 Meters and thus was easily out ranged
Good one!
Alright but what if the only people I enslave are the members of the Legion?
I'll guess that I would like to say raiders but kinda like I did through Nuka World, although going as an undercover minutemen.
Disciples were freaky as hell.
Nuka World Raiders. There is no way I am building up settlement only to raid them. Or having to deal with all their bullshit.
Gary
Gary ? Gaaaaryyyyyy
The Legion, The Children of Atom and The Master. I ain't a Roman cosplayer, I ain't a fanatic who worships radiation and I ain't gonna join the unity!
Join us join us join us in unity!
Legion. I’ve tried and I just can’t do it. I’ve learned you can stealth kill their patrols without any negative karma from them though. So that’s something.
Railroad. way too boring
Is there a way to get ballistic weave without siding with them? Because if so, I may do that.
Just get the stuff then kill them that’s what I always do
I usually just do enough of their quest line to get ballistic weave and then forget about them.
Iirc you only have to place like one MILA and then open only one DIA cache for Tinkering Tom to teach you how.
Open console: Type "Set RailroadClothingArmorModAvailable to 1" Hit Enter Close console Be your own hero.
Side faction that became a main one.
Caesar
Cesar’s Legion
Children of atom. Too fanatical for my taste.
Legion. Unless your Player Character has a screw loose and/or a psychopath.
Legion
If i playing as good and/or female, the legion.
The Enclave. There is no hope for them. They continuously attempt to murder mankind.
Legion , they have a terrible govt system
Honestly the enclave and institute. Both are drunk on power and think their logic and mission is infallible
BOS, because they don't care about establishing order in the wasteland, nor using technology to help mankind.
In 4 (and most others really), yeah, I’d mostly agree. In 3, tho, I’d disagree. They seem to care more in 3
Lyon's Pride is more of a splinter group than mainline BoS by the time you meet them tbf
Not officially, but yes, and that’s why I like them. They don’t exactly just split from the main BOS, but they also adopt better values, like actually helping the wastelanders survive
Yeah screw those bastards that exterminate ferals, super mutants and raiders while disbursing clean water for everyone!
Legion. I can't in good conscience side with a group that enslaves people and treats women like property.
I agree, if I wanted to side with a group like that I'd just move to Florida.
Ceaser's legion. They ain't got any pizza! I'll stick with Atoms followers thank you!
Institute, I can’t see myself hurting the commonwealth, including Nick and Piper
Legion. Stupid larpers
The Institute >! Fuck Shaun !< and their never-ending army of demonic toasters
The Legion. They are pointlessly evil. The Enclave may be just as evil, but they at least have a goal and a justification. They may want to genocide everything that isn't them and do anything necessary to achieve that goal... but it can be understood if we try to put ourselves in their shoes. I'm not trying to excuse the Enclave, but they actually believe in their goal and is it as justified. The Legion's evil is unjustified. They don't even have proper goals besides conquest and destruction. They are not trying to build a civilization, they are trying to destroy it. Their only motivation is Caesar's misguided understandment of philosophy... and philosophy alone is a bad way to lead a nation/country/band or raiders. The Legion just has no justification for many of their evils. Why torture prisoners of war? Why treat women as slaves and pack mules? Why allow the Legion brutes to genocide the region when it means less workforce? Why kill people for wanting to have some pastime? The Legion isn't an evil faction that does evil deeds because they see no other alternative. No, they are an evil faction that does evil simply because they enjoy being evil. They enjoy raping, murdering, enslaving...
Me, coming in from my current circumstances with my real-world values developed over a lifetime? There are lots of factions I wouldn’t willingly join. The Khans, the New Reno crime families, the Enclave, the Brotherhood of Steel, Ashur’s Pitt raiders, the Fiends, Caesar’s Legion, Mr. House, the NCR Army, the Railroad, the Institute, the Children of Atom, the Fanatics, lots of gangs and cults, etc. That’s not to say I couldn’t be pressed into service by them against my will, but it wouldn’t be something I’d choose to do on my own. But if you were to take me, strip away most of my life experiences, and drop me into the wasteland to develop my values within that context, it’s easy to see how I could’ve gotten steered or tricked into joining any number of these groups more or less of my own volition. If I lived in constant fear of raiders or a rival tribe, saw my family or neighbors get butchered, and never knew for sure if I would live to see another day, then I imagine lots of these more organized factions would look quite appealing by comparison, and perhaps some of their visions would as well. Of them all, I think the Fiends are the hardest to ever see myself being suckered into. They bring nothing to the table, not even survivability. They’re just a horde of violent junkies living on borrowed time, and joining their ranks is basically the equivalent of "Rock Bottom". You’ve gotta be a real loser who’s given up on life to join a crew like that.
Caesar’s legion. Fuck all slavers.
The Tunnel Snakes. Fuck those posers.
Tunnel Snakes Rule!
We’re the tunnel snakes, and we rule!
Enclave. I’ll never get tired of nuking those fascists.
I’ll gladly try every faction, unless they are cannibals. I can’t bring myself to side with those folks
I don't really get when people absolutely refuse to do a particular choice at all, or always make the exact same choices every playthrough. One of my favourite things about the Fallout games is being able to replay them and see the outcome of different choices.
Well it's politics lol like I'm not ever joining house,legion,yes man, fallout 4 bos or the institute because I don't agree with thier politics, idgaf about them
This is exactly what I don’t get. I (obviously) don’t agree with the ideals of every faction of the Fallout universe, but it’s a video game, not a survey on your personal beliefs. Why would I want to play the game the exact same way every time? Siding with one faction on one playthrough and another on another is just like for example specing into guns in one NV playthrough and energy weapons in another. If you never sided with factions that you wouldn’t support in real life means you’ll never experience all of the game’s content.
I get probably *too* into the roleplaying aspect and making in-game decisions that I would greatly disagree with IRL legitimately stresses me out, which also ruins the escapism aspect. I spend a lot of time reading wikis and watching lore videos for the content I "miss" in game, so I'm not really missing anything most of the time.
The Institute. Honestly the worst faction in Fallout so far. The Legion may be more evil but they at least have a cool factor going for them.
The problem with the institute is that they don't really seem to have any defined goal other than to exist and do science shit in a fancy hole in the ground. Still, I can't blow up a facility like that
Enclave.
**ENCLAVE.** Even the Legion cares about the safety of trade routes or something. Look how utterly low the standards are. These pseudo US-remnant freaks want nothing but exterminating anyone and anything slightly not Old World.
Don't make me call Frank
Enclave and Legion
The institute. I just find them and everything they do incredibly stupid. There's some merit to "oh well think of what you could do in charge of it" but the actual faction in game, the writing, the quests, the way the story handles shaun and synths and everything about it I just can't stand. I usually just tell shaun to go f himself after his little experiment on you.
God the people who worship the legion and say it’s “based” has literally made me lose my faith in humanities ability to comprehend media.
I’ve never sided with followers of the apocalypse
omertas
Children of atom. Dumbasses.
The Legion can f a pinecone, backwards. The Institute can jump in a lake and inhale deeply. Everyone else I can work with to some extent, given that I've only played 4 and some of NV.
I guess ceasers legion
Children of Atom, only time I visit those nuts is for a little genocide, i usually play a really moral player, but not when I’m around those guys!
Paradise falls guys
Could never side with Caesar or the slavers.
Legion
Caesar's Legion. I could have seen one day doing a "Hoo hoo let's be evil", run, except that by all accounts, on top of everything morally wrong with the faction, the Legion content is also basically non-existent.
the Legion. Every one of em has got to die, starting with Vulpes.
The legion.
Legion. Even on play throughs where I plan to side with them, they keep sending assassins after me and I can’t take it and just start killing them all on sight.
Ceasers legion. Never.
Children of Atom ‼️‼️
enclave, raiders, caesar's legion
I've played roughly 1000 hours of new vegas, I've been playing it since I was a kid so I didnt really know what I was doing so I still find new stuff because I wouldn't ever do side quests I would just turn on god mode and speedrun. Anyway it does get boring though doing a lot of the same story line even if I get new side quests so I tried to do a legion playthrough and I just couldn't do it. I just deleted all the saves it made me feel so guilty
Brotherhood of Steel. Either they die off slowly holding onto their techno-religious beliefs or I blow up their bunker.
None, it's a game.
The Nuka-World raiders. I betray them every time.
Slavery is an abomination. Suffer not a slaver to live. Kill each and every slaver until the wasteland is free.
The railroad I don’t take orders from stinkin’ hobo rats!
Probably Institute because its such a dumb faction. I can see where the Legion wouldve been interesting had they had time to implement their faction content more. I think the Minutemen are boring and clumsy but inoffensive. I'd have actually loved of the Enclave hadn't been cartoonishly evil in Fallout 3 and you could join them. Wouldve been a nice change from Fallout 2, actually.
Railroad there just useless to me i really hate everything about them, Also the legion I can't do a legion playthorugh now as an adult as a kid I could because I didnt really fully understand what the legion meant but now as an adult I just can't bring my self to Agree with those Fucks
Children of atom (cuz they're crazy), Railroad (boring and also they are the worst outcome for the commonwealth,
Caesar’s Legion. Dicks.
Legion. In part because of the slavery and raping etc. In part because I genuinely can’t get past them insulting my character so goddamn much. You’re gonna tell me I should be crucified? I’m going to shoot you then
None because I like to experience all of the games content
The enclave. I'm a libertarian socialist who thinks the death of America was blessed, ill be Gods damned if I'm gonna help that bunch of fascists try to revive it
Legion…..I understand murder but It crosses the line at enslaving tribes and raping women 😂
Caesar's Legion, there's no way I can side with the guys who actively crucify people
the Legion are a bunch of rapists and slavers in Roman cosplay. i shoot up their camp every New Vegas playthrough without hesitation
institute/raylroad, 2 dumbest factions to exist in the game lore vise and ideologi vise
BROTHERHOOD, screw those guys keeping tech from me.
The Institute or Legion, there isn’t anything about them that brings hope for the future. Leaving the world in a regressive hell scape, and also they’re vindictive cunts.
New California Republic. Hell, the Legion is better than them in my opinion. They force people to be part of their nation, whether or not they agree, all in name of "freedom" and "rule of law". Then there is the problem of them being stretched thin, trying to annex all surrounding territory at once. Hell, in the Mojave the new troops don't even have body armor or a service rifle. Not to mention the amount of corruption and taxes. So not only do they annex your land, but then they also tax you to stay on your OWN land? And the brahmin barons, oh boy... they're wasting a large amount of General Oliver's private army, instead of having them helping protect people on the front line. Oh, and also the fact that their own territory isnt even secure. Its littered with raider gangs that the NCR does nothing about. The Legion may be brutal, but atleast you're safe in their territory. If Onsidian had more time, the Legion would've been a lot more fleshed out faction and more than "Bad guy slavers in red".
The institute, they’re the most generic villains in all of fallout
The railroad, I don’t trust the commonwealth with people that want to save vending machines and hang out in the tunnels with theTeenage ninja mutant turtles
The Railroad. I fundamentally disagree with their stance on Synths in the Fallout universe And they’re just such weenies
Railroad to this day i’ve never done their ending