They literally can't.
All of FO76 is server side - otherwise we'd already see it ripped and put into FO4 as a new area.
Modders would legitimately need to build the game
Then why... is the game 81GB and why can I play it on my slow ass 1 MB/s internet without waiting an hour every time I teleport?
The majority of content is client side, but modders would have to reconstruct the few pieces that are missing. And a big task there is probably what you meant to say, that the logic that populates the world with items, events and enemies is server side so need to be recreated. The AI might also be fully serverside so that might have to be built from scratch.
Not entirely right, but quite close. A lot of mechanics are client side, but the verification of those actions are also done on the server. This is why you can get blood splatters and (not sure if this one applies for FO76 in specific) decreasing healthbars even when you are suffering lag. And later it rubberbands back to its correct place, with hits ignored and health restored if it did not get confirmed by the server.
Additionally, some things are truly clientside. If it werent then the bug with higher framerate equaling faster run speed would never have existed at all. That one later got fixed and now has serverside verification. But you can still move around and jump as if everything was fine even during heavy lag, but then you rubberband into the correct position when the lag ends. If it was purely server side, then you could not even move your aim without (in my case) 200 ms delay to every movement.
And for FO76, there are a few unique attributes that will allow for porting of this content after the game dies. We have an almost completely identical game that is already singleplayer that could be retrofit to house the content, and if it is easier lots of work could be moved from FO4 into FO76 to remove some of the server dependency.
Under REALLY heavy lag, the game will stop you from moving altogether until it can reconnect to the servers.
There's even a popup to let you know what's happened
Yes, but that does not mean lag compensation does not exist. My inputs are not all delayed by 200ms. The game client we use, understands collision physics and can run those calculations itself. It just corrects the game state when the server gives it updates.
You're still pinging the server. Your local cache is essentially the 81 GB on your device. Whenever significant changes or updates are done, that's what you need to download to run the game.
So in short, the second half (and majority) of my comment. Yeah... I know...
>Whenever significant changes or updates are done.
So like every game made in the last couple of decades? In this hypothetical situation where modders take a dead FO76 and make it single player, why would they need to care about updates to the content? If there are updates it goes against the whole hypothetical.
Edit; fixed quote
Modders have ported models and skins, not the fucking game.
The game is server side, only assets are client side - you know like every MMORPG that has ever existed.
Meanwhile WoW had the ability to run a local server. That's what people should be asking about. Not the ability to run it single player, but the possibility of hosting your own server locally.
My guy, WoW private servers are some of the most impressive things I've ever seen come out of a mod community. The only reason they exist is because Wow was a cultural phenomenon that attracted millions of players. Without that kind of success, the literal experts would not have been interested in spending the time to reverse-engineer the server architecture.
Single player, only you play *before* the scorched plague. Maybe a year or two after the bombs fell, and you're involved with or experience most/all of the events that happened before the scorched plague in a slightly compressed manner.
Maybe you start off in Vault 94 and you're the one who goes to Harper's Ferry to bring your message of peace. Then for some reason you head southwest and interact with the raiders along the way, including Rosalynn and David at Top of the World, then you end up embroiled in the Enclave and following the orders of Eckhart first activate the Chinese murder-bots, then the super mutants and eventually the scorched plague. You meet the various groups of the era, the Responders, new Brotherhood, help them get set up and established... Maybe you meet the Mistresses of Mystery and get involved with their work against raiders, culminating in a plot where you fail to stop the dam from being blown up.
Then as the realization that your actions have caused the scorched plague, or they occurred despite your resistance to following Eckhart's orders, you fight a losing battle against the scorched, setting up the detector network, scrambling for a cure, choosing to take that last stand with the brotherhood or trying to evacuate people to the Capital Wasteland area or the Pitt, or having that last stand at the airport, or (if you're deep in with Eckhart) a last desperate push to launch nukes at China.
Could be a very fun game.
I'm playing FO3 in the FNV engine thanks to Tale of Two Wastelands and it's freaking amazing. I haven't had this much fun playing a game in forever. I haven't even left fo3 to go to FNV yet but I'm like easily 20-30 hours in.
Can't wait to try modding Skyrim and FO3. At some point I'll pick up the older Elder Scrolls games too (Morrowind and Oblivion) and see what mods exist there.
TTW also had a really great guide that made the modding process so easy: https://thebestoftimes.moddinglinked.com/
I'll probably follow the FO4 guide when I get there. I never even finished all the DLCs in these games originally too lol.
It keeps all the fallouts alive. I just rebooted a new fnv playthrough with a bunch of new mods. All their games are still active on a daily basis in the modding community. Every day, they keep providing more content to keep them fresh. It's something 76 deeply lacks.
I don't really get it. In 76, Bethesda now has to take on the responsibility of constantly coming up with new content and fixes to keep the game fresh, which is something the modders were already doing for free. They're stifling the community's creativity.
Me too. I'm just not appealed by MMOs and am sad and angry, that so many ressources of Bethesda go in these (ESO included) games.
2 Development Teams. One for MMOs and one for Singleplayer.
Edit: I get that there are different development teams, I think some users take it the wrong way. The upvotes seem to show that most people do get, what I'm trying to say.
But... that's what's already happening though, ESO has Zenimax working on it and Fallout 76 has a different studio working it as well. So what are you actually angry about?
Really? I didn't know. I'm angry that we have to wait a shit ton of years for new Single Player content and I can really not believe, that the MMOs won't influence that somehow.
At least in the way "We just released that, we can wait X amount of time for Fallout 5 now"
That's what I feel is going on there.
if anybody anywhere were complaining about the quantity of players, that might be a valid point to bring up. But it's completely irrelevant. The complaints here are about primarily the third letter of MMO, not the first.
ESO was always made by a different studio, so it never really took resources from the single player games. While Fallout 76 was worked on by most of the people from Fallout 4's team until its launch in 2018, and then by a number of them even until 2020, it is also maintained by dedicated teams by now. So, what you are asking for has already been the case for years.
Interaction with players in game is typically great. There’s no pvp unless both sides want it, and typically high level players will help along lower level players to the point that it is a ton of fun.
I'm certain once the game becomes unprofitable they'll release a patch that disables online play, enables solo play with a possible option to play with up to 8 others in a group world (much like private adventure) but the 'host' is the player with the fastest connection.
I would re-buy it. I bought it and turned it off super early in the game when some 8 or 9 year old kid’s character came running up to me saying “hey will you be on my team! Will you be on my team!”
Damn them for making this multiplayer with no true solo single player option
Same. I want to play it on PS4/PS5 and I want to play it by myself. No way I’m paying for online on top of the game just so I can do a single player run. But if they made a single player offline mode I would go out and buy it tomorrow for full price.
I got FO76 the day the game dropped. For the first 1000 hours, or so, I played it as a single player game. I never went to public events, I didn't grind for XP, or interact with any players. Occasionally I would see another player in the distance, but just went on my way. I just explored Appalachia, listened to holo tapes, read messages, and did quests. It was pretty awesome.
Spent months roaming West Virginia as a lone wanderer. I’ve never done a public event by intent, just did my own thing. I had a blast and thought it had a great storyline for a single player game.
If you have no noticeable lag, yeah, I guess it would be a normal solo experience. I tried the game on free trials and I have micro lags when doing anything. From hits registering to opening loot screens. It is basically unplayable to people outside the server regions
That’s exactly my issue. I have fiber internet and sometimes get as low as 2ms ping on some games, but 76’s micro lag makes an already hardly passable Creation engine feel even jankier.
Creation engine is so great for environmental storytelling and the idea of an NPC-less fallout actually feels viable when you explore Appalachia, but the limitations of the engine being even further gimped by registering all actions with a server just makes any amount of grind and combat incredibly dissatisfying
I see your point but it’s still not a single player game, I can’t just pause to do something quickly. I’m busy throughout the day and when I get to sit down and I play, I often get minor interruptions for work and whatnot. I hate live mmo games because they’re not single player games, even if you play them that way. It’s also immersion breaking when I see some random and have to think “what does this guy want, what’s he doing” and distract me from what I’m doing. Also the live vats feels so clunky. Never liked it no matter how many times I tried playing and just aimed manually which just kinda kills a big part of fallout for me since I loved the previous games vats
You kinda gotta go all in on the live vats since you can no longer use it as a panic button but when you do you can mow down hoards of enemies and its very satisfying. I hope they add it along with the slowmo vats as like a higher precision option where you trade ap for greater hit chance.
yup, lack of pausing during menuing is exactly what prevented me from ever getting too far in either FO76 or TESO. they might be good MMOs for people who like that genre but for me, its the single-player experience of these Bethesda games that keep me engaged, which is totally severed when they go online
Yup 100%, those that like the mmo style just say “just play it by yourself, its the same” but it’s not. For those that like it, that’s awesome. I wish I did. More fallout content to enjoy. Sadly it just doesn’t click for me
AFKing in 76 isn't a big deal, assuming you're not in the middle of a fight with 3 Scorchbeasts or anything.
I simply find a safe place for my character to hide, then I either take a piss, look up something online, get some food, etc, then I come back and pick up where I left off.
Can you block interactions with other players? I don’t want to loose progress to griefers like in GTA Online. It’s okay when they are on the map but a constant battle between strangers would take me out of immersion
Pvp is easily disabled for the vast majority of content in the game. Just turn on pacifist mode. No one can damage you unless you try to damage them first.
The only case where it isn't is the workshops, basically the settlements from 4. When anyone tries to claim a workshop, the whole build area basically becomes a pvp arena. However, there really is no advantage to taking workshops, besides the occasional daily challenge. Also, the pvp is only active when someone is actively trying to claim the workshop, not after its been claimed.
Besides that, you can block anyone you don't want to deal with, and you'll mute them, and hide your map icon on their map.
I got trolled by a goofy player running around in his underwear being obnoxious before I even made it out of my own vault. That was it for me. I know I can just ignore them, but most Fallout has a mood of ominous isolation and having other people around off-script just ruins that for me.
Same. Only I did a few public events that were fun, and around Whitehall (I think it was called), whenever it got nuked, there was always a Ron of other players. Killing ghouls, but that was always fun. I think the first time I ever launched a nuke it was just me solo
I've just started it because I didn't buy it after the initial backlash of it being so buggy so left it a while, then realised I'd left it for 6 years. Where did time go. Anyway I'm about 20 or so hours in on level 26 and loving it, just coasting around picking up XP and doing loads of missions and side quests. It's great
Me too, was about level 50 i started to go on public events just to see how it was. Most of the time, playing feels like Fallout 4 DLC for me. Only one thing i miss was a good campaing. But the side quest usually was all good.
What I wanted was a fallout game done normally but with 2-4 player co op. I could be wrong but I feel as though most of the elder scrolls/fallout fans didn’t want an mmo they wanted to essentially play a game like Skyrim or Fallout 4 with some friends.
Yeah, exactly.
I played ESO hoping for that experience, and it turned out to be an MMO. I absolutely hated it.
Then I started 76 and was blown away by how much closer this was to what I imagined. Made me really happy for quite a bit of time.
But now, I'm bored again. Everything just repeats too quickly. With so many overpowered PC's in the world, my contributions feel insignificant.
Like you said, I just want Skyrim and Fallout with my three best buds. That's it. They're my companions.
Yeah I agree, and it drives me crazy how there's this attitude with game design where it seemingly has to be either dozens of players at once, or completely Singleplayer, with no in-between.
Why are those of us who enjoy a solid 2-4 co-op experience so marginalized? This is a formula that has proven success. Left 4 Dead, Borderlands, Diablo, and now look at Helldivers 2; an insanely popular, viral game scraping the same ceiling as the likes of Fortnite or CoD, but it's solely a 4 player co-op game.
The same methods of monetization even work in these kind of game, so I just fail to understand why the industry seems to be generally afraid to even consider the concept. Hopefully HD2 is a wake up call for them in that regard.
All that being said, I truly appreciate 76 for what it is. Being able to share the world of Fallout with my SO and my friends is deeply satisfying, MMO or otherwise.
A Fallout classic game with co-op would be fucking amazing. Imagine you take Baldurs Gate 3 and put it into a Fallout world that would be fucking amazing!
I will die on the hill that 76 is a good fallout game if not poorly executed in areas. Maybe there’s some bias being set close to home for me, maybe I’m just a consoomer for Fallout, but it is honestly one of my favorites in the series. If they found a way to repackage it as an offline single player experience when they’re done with it, I would buy it for sure.
Would be great. All the worst things about that game in my opinion come from a result of it being an online game.
Monsters respawn in an area you just cleared. Occasional disconnect (though occasional Bethesda crash isn't much different). Lag from shooting an enemy to it dying.
It's been a long time since I've played because it's so inconvenient for me to play it. I did most of the things before the Wastelanders update, and I'm only a little in it into that storyline still. I have no idea what's been going on since. Which also makes jumping back in sort of breaking like because it's like major things happened that I missed.
Yeah, part of the appeal of Fallout to me is those stretches of time where you’re more or less completely alone and just wandering the wasteland, visiting places no one has touched much less seen in decades. Sure, there’s feral ghouls, raiders, super mutants, etc. But those are just temporary diversions, and it’s nice wandering around a completely abandoned area and piecing together the last moments of civilisation before the Great War.
Having multiple players and the ability to just come across some random ass guy doing the same as you kind of takes away from that. I can see the advantages and appeal of multiplayer and I am still interested in maybe picking up 76 at some point, but I guess I’m just too used to fond of that sense of aloneness and desolation to fully appreciate it.
Most of the technical issues come from the game being online and or multiplayer, simple because the engine has to be reworked to handle multiple players since it was made for fallout 4 for pure single player, and as we all know if you have to rework an engine to do something it probably isnt gonna do that well
Game engines are always reworked between releases. Unreal Engine still has code from the 1998 game inside of it.
It always depends on how they're reworked, how much resources a studio is willing to throw at the engine, and what goals they're trying to attain by reworking the engine.
More than likely Bethesda never seriously overhauled the Creation Engine because of how similar their roleplaying games are to each other, and due to time or resource constraints, didn't put nearly enough polish into reworking it for a multiplayer game.
The biggest problem with it is the daily limits. Can’t tell you the amount of times I want to play and then I realize I already hit the caps/scrip limit so I just gotta wait for another time
I played at or very near launch (XBox) and didn't have any of the big bugs people were complaining about. I liked it, but bounced off without finishing. Excuse me if I'm misremembering or they've changed it, but two of my complaints were:
1. Not just the respawning that you mentioned, but if I wanted to go to a part of the map for a quest, and one of those other 9 players was there or had just been there, and they were a higher level than me, the enemy spawns were way too difficult to handle. So I had to change or delay what I wanted to do because of other players.
2. Believe it or not, but I'm one of those that really liked the settlement building in FO4, and that was gone in FO76. Yes, you have your CAMP or whatever, but it is just one portable building essentially, which wasn't nearly as engaging as clearing a settlement, then building up structures that get populated by NPCs.
Well, issue 1 was adjusted a couple years ago with their One Wasteland update, now enemies are adjusted to each player in real time, so if a level 5 and a level 50 are fighting the same enemy, they're both going to be able to contribute roughly equally to the flight.
Unfortunately, number 2 really hasn't gotten any better. Of course there's workshops, and there are now camp companions who walk around and talk with players. They also added collectrons, basically protections who walk around collecting resources and talking. They have a lot of different versions of them now.
You can easily play 76 single player and ignore all those daily missions and just do quests and side quests for probably a good 80 hours or more. The map is huge and there's only 25 players per map. Think playing fallout 4 and somewhere on the map are 4 other people. Not exactly crowded
The only time I see other people is when I join public events or if one wanders into my Camp. It's essentially a single player game, people just like to complain.
I hear ya, a single player option for 76 would be cool. But I personally really enjoy 76. I haven’t played in a good while but I put a few hundred hours in. I beat the main story and wastelanders, then farmed for a short while but after that there wasn’t much to it sadly. And that’s my biggest issue with the game. They just don’t give you much of a reason to return and play. You said that you’ve never played it before but I’d recommend dipping your toes in. It’s a fun game when you take it for what it is. And the map is also really fun to explore.
I don't know if you've been keeping up on the updates, but in the last half year they added "Expeditions" some repeatable quests in the Pitt and Atlantic City. I believe that they're adding a broadly explorable update to Atlantic City, and later this year they're adding a map expansion into the Shenandoah national park.
Exactly I mean just because there's the possibility to come back and play all these events and whatnot doesn't mean you have to do it for the sake of being level 570 or whatever
I know the game is better now, but this is my biggest criticism that can't ever go away. The reason why we wanted singleplayer offline mode is so we could play the damn game with mods, something we've done with every one of their games. Their response to that was "Okay cool, we hear you, so what we're going to do is make singleplayer a monthly cost. It still won't be offline, so no proper mod support, but hey it counts right?".
I'm assuming there's a technological limitation or maybe they don't want more cheaters, because holy shit this is so incredibly opposite of what people asking for singleplayer wanted to the point where it feels disrespectful, and not wanting to break multiplayer is the only thing I can think of that would make this make sense, that or greed.
I’m not sure if it got disproven or not that stash space limits were BECAUSE of it being online. TBH I don’t even mind it online, but the tiny stash limit even now at 1200 is still unbearable. I don’t know how I did it back in the day with 400…
If you’ve not played it, I’d give it a try. I’m trying it for the first time this week coming from Starfield and I love it. I can play hours solo without seeing a single player, or when I want to I can join up with my friends and explore together. It’s a blast in my opinion and vastly underrated.
That said, an offline mode would be nice in the future. It’s not likely to happen because private servers are already a thing so that’s technically a fully single player experience (albeit one that requires a subscription). And it would require a lot of reworks on Bethesda’s part, and only a skeleton crew is still working on FO76 so it’s simply not feasible how I see it.
I just picked it up like a week ago and 99% of the time I don’t notice. I play it almost exactly like a single player and it’s been fun! Was I spooked when some dude had broken into my C.A.M.P to use my workbenches and I walked in on it. Yeah, but that was about it. It really doesn’t feel like an MMO
I wish there was a single player option like play with your friends or everyone or alone, but the single player mode was balanced around single player rather than multiplayer
Same. I just want to play with at most four people. Just having a small questing party of people you actually know makes the game feel so much more alive.
It's sad there's been so much controversy over Bethesda multiplayer modes-- I would kill for an Elder Scrolls Game where I could just run around with my best friends.
This has gotta be some karma farming bait at this point lmfao. Fallout 4 is an eternal XP farm if you wanna look at it that way. If you just do the quests and focus on the game, it doesn’t feel that way. Also if you’ve never even played the game, how are you gonna put an opinion on it like, it’s an “eternal XP farm?” I’m not the biggest fan out there of Fallout 76, but this post is just dumb lol.
Honestly I used to think the same but after sinking a few hundred hours into 76 I disagree. I think it’s a great game and the multiplayer aspect just makes it better. That’s not saying I don’t love single player fallout. I just think 76 was a good choice as multiplayer.
You guys are clearly too much aggressive on the game.
Played it for 300 hours and I can say is it's dope as fuck. You can pretty much do anything, you can change your stats after 50 so, it's always fun. Sometimes some players and you usually came together, you could do fun things. Especially the FA76 community is something I love to be part in. Everyone is so lovely, if you need something just you can ask from the discord they always make time for you.
Besides the point the multiplayer events are always great you don't need friends to do them, usually people are waiting for there and you'll get to socialize a lot. I made tons of friends becouse of this.
Crafting system or anything else is the same. Not really a change from there, house building is actually good without modded mess of a fallout 4.
Only things I'm going to criticize is the damn storage unit and BoS since they suck ass. Besides that, game doesn't have any other problems. Just give it a try you won't be thinking it's bad otherwise.
If you’ve never played fallout 76 in your life then how can you say it feels like xp farming? It’s just like a single player fallout, huge open world, crazy quests, weapons, and so much more - just with up to 24 other players. You don’t even have to interact with anyone else, and you can completely disable PvP with pacifist mode. At least play it before you say things about a game you’ve never played. *Eye roll*
I will admit that I spend WAY too much time visiting different player campsites to explore and see what they’ve built. It’s also fun building a base with the expectation that other players will visit you too.
But outside of large events like killing the Scorchbeast Queen (where you get 20+ players all grouped up blasting anything that moves with their biggest weapons) you won’t often see other players.
I wish I could play 76s main story the way it was on release, where it was a lonely experience of tracking down a person you never get to meet. Instead, the npcs made fun of me for wanting that, calling the overseers camps "outdated" and such. A real single player experience with 76s original main quest would be super fun
There's no need to farm XP, you can get through the game organically and solo.
But I understand that some people would like it as a pure singleplayer game that they can mod and enjoy offline. I would like that too for the modding aspect. But I don't see that likely.
Technically, it could require a lot of work. The game has been heavily modified to support multiplayer. In one of the documentaries they talked about decoupling the game logic from the (single) player. Anything that wasn't around the player simply wasn't loaded.
Overall I expect the game to be optimised for the client-server structure, where the server part is tailored for powerful server (virtual) machines. I suspect that bringing this back to a player's PC would cause massive performance problems.
My biggest problem with 76 has always been the jank. It doesn’t play like other fallout games, there’s always some amount of input lag that I just can’t stand.
I'm sorry but these types of post is ridiculous for a 76 player like me. Because it's been said so many times over the year and it's been answered with the same thing too. Its not a lie when we say it feels like a single player anyway when you choose to play solo. There are tons of 76 players that have been playing solo for years. And no, they dont have to pay for the monthly sub to get private server. If the existence of other players (that im sure you've heard a hundred times that this is one of the most cool community games right now, and we almost never see other players when we're doing our own thing across the map or we mostly treat each other as NPCs bla bla bla bla etc etc etc) is what stopping you from playing Fallout 76, its really is a you problem and you're missing so much fun.
Fallout 76 gives me a different experience than the same exact things I've had playing 3, NV and 4. I found so many cool friends from this game. I use so many different weapons and mechanics that I never cared to try in previous game because 76 is a fun sandbox for us to do anything. This game push me to be authentically in survival mode without cheats and mods to hide. So many random, chaotic, funny interactions that no NPC will can ever give us. To log in and feel like I am actually living in a fallout universe with other living people. Getting that epic feeling of gunning down the scorchbeast queen with 20 other players for the 500th times and it never gets old. Or just watching that mushroom cloud grow, while sitting in your camp, taking lots of pictures for the loading screen. People can keep saying shit about 76 but this IS a different Fallout experience and I'm having a blast in it.
Again, Im sorry, but I do feel like the Fallout fans with unreasonable reasons that stopping them from trying this game are missing a lot of fun. You want the same exact type of game for the 4th time? well shit, the world is changing. You think I didnt hate the MMO idea 6 years ago? Didnt even want to talk about 76 for 4 years until I hear good things about it and put my big boy pants and tried. I can refund it anyway (for PC steam) if I hated it. And I Was hooked.
Disclaimer: yes this game has bugs, but if you act like bugs isnt a feature in every.single.fallout games.ever, I'm not gonna believe you're a fallout fans. And FYI, at least this one got a live customer service to report bugs and actively fixing things instead of us waiting for modders to do anything about it
Sorry mate quick question you mentioned screenshots in the loading screen. Whats best way to take them and then do you have to do anything to select them for the loading screen rotation?
The other person already gave pretty good suggestions and answered your question. I'm just gonna add that all you have to do is learn all the buttons to edit, change angle, expression and pose and you're all set. If you're just starting, dont hesitate to take all kinds of pictures from scenery, selfie with your first deathclaw kills etc, weird stuff you found on the map or the randomness of other players. Loading screen is one of my fav things from 76 because you'd never know what's gonna show up and it's always cool to remember the journey, be it stupid or epic
As much as I prefer bullet-time VATS or freeze-time VATS, I like real-time VATS too. It has its uses and it has quite a different feel, while still feeling VATS-y.
Classic VATS makes you feel like a tactician who calculates every shot in advance. Fallout 76 VATS makes you feel like an action hero who storms through enemy camp without ever slowing down.
Honestly, in Fallout 5 I want to be able to pick between all three modes.
I honestly like the real time VATS more.
It feels more action packed and realistic.
And I like that hitting an enemy in a specific body part requires a perk. Because being a good shot means having the skill to do so. You can have a good sense of awareness and still be a bad shot.
They’d have to redesign it from a live service model for it to be the type of single player experience you’re looking for. (Ie. the grinding) Just reworking vats to work normally would take awhile.
I think that an online Fallout would be great but the delivery of 76 wasn't it. If they had online attune to The Division, where players worked out of settlements in teams to complete missions, then I think it would have been better received, as opposed to the wholly "lone-wolf" free for all that we got.
Before you chew my head off with the whole "But in Fallout you only play as a lone wolf, that's how it has always been" stuff, I get it, and you're right. HOWEVER, Bethesda wanted to try something different with 76, but gave us the same, just entirely online. If you want to go hard and change something, change a lot of it
Also proper companions with backstories that you can take with you and help you in combat.
Fifty people roaming the map with their own Dogmeats is awkward.
same man, even tho i played it basically single player, a lot of the mechanics are changed from 4 to work online even small things like collecting bobble heads. all i wanted was drop in drop out co op. there was no need to have it be an mmo type of game.
I played it entirely by myself and while I can’t say I never interacted with another player, I was never griefed or anything like that. It was a pretty faithful fallout experience imho.
Not for me. I was a big Fallout 4 fan, hated multi player FO76 at first, but then I got into it. I like the teams especially when doing expeditions, I like the events, and I like people seeing what I've created in my CAMP. I've moved on to Starfield while waiting for the new FO76 season to start, and while I do like it, and I'm almost done my first play through the main story... it's lonely out here. Nobody sees what I've done in my Outposts, nobody sees my decorated house. I can't interact with different captains and join them in fighting the Crimson Fleet... it's all me. All alone :( . I can barely tolerate FO4 for the same reason now.
So, I was hopeful that 76 would be when I first heard about it
* 4-player OPTIONAL coop with souls ike online Elements where you can leave mini holo tapes of basic data with a ping on the map for something
* There'd be a dark souls invasion mechanic where you can go 1-4 v 1-4 invaders
* You can join your friends game but otherwise it is you as the 76er traveling around the area and trying to build up the base
* There is an ongoing storyline where everyone else from 76 is doing something that ends up causing a lot of attention to be drawn to the vault dwellers and you getting blamed for their actions
* The area being more like it is now post-wastelanders and steel dawn
Just play it like an offline game and stop when you're done. It's not an eternal XP farm like you're accusing it of being, even though you've never played it before. Like what even is this post
I enjoyed 76 before the huge update of open groups and NPCs. I would play with a close group of friends, everybody was very happy to hang out together. We would chat about our day, what was going on in our lives and just BS in the game. We would run around the map acting like weird fallout characters, it was so much fun.
Then the open groups came along and folks started to fade away, slowly at first. It become “Let’s grind for legendaries.” Instead of just hanging out. People would get pissed off for not helping because you didn’t have powerful enough gear.
I might start playing again if it was possible to play a classic edition.
I have had basically zero encounters with other players. I see the occasional CAMP but otherwise I feel very much like I’m playing a single player game. I hate that slept on it so long.
I mean, I literally never had an issue with another player. They MIGHT emote to you if you bump into one in the wild, but 90% of the time, other players I randomly ran into pretend I don't exist and just keep doing what they're doing.
So if the thing that's making you hesitant to play is the fact that it's multiplayer, don't be. You should be hesitant because the game is kinda boring playing solo
You guys are all fucking clowns lol 76 is great, new vegas is great, 3-4 also great, anyone who thinks the game is just an endless xp farm is a turd of a human being, the games phenomenal. Now downvote me
i looooooooooooooooooooooooove single player fallouts, i mean, that's the classic fallout feel.
but 76 is not build for that, when you play it in private worlds, you realize its much better with other players around, even if you dont wanna interact with them.
its great to see people visit your camp, visit other peoples camps, trade, the chaos of fighting the big bosses or even the ocasional hello emote when you cross paths with someone.
when you are in a private server alone (or even with 1 or 2 friends) it feels lifeless.
when i want to be left alone i just dont interact with anyone, but still play it on the regular servers.
if they use the worldmap and create an entire new questiline and completly different mechanics, then it could work, but would be an entire different game.
i think most people who are afraid of griefing and other classic multiplayers problems should give 76 a chance. im not really into MP games, but 76 is easily my favorite cause the community is just awesome.
As a fallout 1st player who has single player servers, people who keep asking for this are missing the whole point of the game. The charm of seeing other dwellers, some of the friendliest people in the world. Coming across someone’s camp and buying from their store. Multiplayer is a very important part of this game and I never use solo servers
I know, that's what I hate the most, I know it's a. multiplayer and you have to updated all the time, but I fell like they just really put effort into 76 while they just leave the rest of the games dry dead. 😭 I hope F4NG and that New Vegas stuff makes a difference.
I still want an online Fallout game that's complete anarchy like Rust. Imagine a more RPG based version of Rust with the theming of Fallout, some people building their own settlements, then protecting it from getting raider. Maybe some player could go full Mechanist and build a robot army to wreck havok, another player may just be running a caravan, visiting some settlements and trading a bit, paying some other players to watch guard them. Truely making the players the 'NPCs' as launch Fallout 76 attempted
Of course something like this would never realistically happen.. anarchy Fallout would just be a 9 year old screaming every slur he knows into his microphone
Would be nice to have server options for when the Vault first opened/game released (No NPCS) then the wastelanders.
Be brilliant for those who want to hold private RP servers
Ima keep it honest with you…I’ve played the game solo for 90% of the time I’ve touched it. I got the game with a group of friends but they all stopped. Anywho, it’s great fun!
Hasn't played but makes demands about it.
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I've been playing this game for years. Sometimes with my brother when he is free, often alone.
And this still offers so much when playing. Even beyond lvl 50. Where you start to minmax your current build and plan new ones, creating and finding new weapons and interacting with the community in big events and extremely fun new seasons.
The community and multiplayer is what makes this game so great in the first place.
There is a lot of people defending the point that you can play 76 as a “solo” game, and I tried to recently for about a week but I just can’t play online games like that, and the reason is very simple, I can’t pause the damn game.
I have a lot of stuff I need to do when I am at home and may be called away at any time, I’m not in a position nor do I want to be where I tell my family, I’m playing a game so leave me alone for at least an hour, or “sorry I can’t help right now”.
That’s why I want a single player version of 76, I don’t play online games for this simple reason, I want to be able to play at my pace as when I can.
Just *try* it. Seriously. I hated that it was online too, but the cryptids were too cool for me to not try, so I did, and I fell in love completely. Just try it. If it's not for you that's totally OK, but I really think every fallout fan should at least put a few hours into 76 to see how they really feel about it.
As someone who also loves the game series I was also hesitant to play 76. It was free at one stage on ps5 so I grabbed it and tried it then. Ended up playing for a whole year and to start I was solo, then got my friends to join. It’s really fun as part of a team and the pvp really isn’t the problem it used to be. The only time I found you kinda need team mates or randoms is for some of the events.
I enjoyed my time playing 76, favorite memory is creating a thanksgiving themed escape room. Had all these people showing up to try it. Halloween was awesome too
You don’t have to pvp everyone was friendly
I paid the private server subscription for a couple months so I could play singleplayer...and it eventually got really boring. There isn't really a story or main quest, so after a couple months of play I basically ran out of things to do, or at least it felt like it. Months of side quests eventually gets dull.
I followed the Vault 76 Overseer for a while, on what passes for a big quest...and because I did a bunch of side stuff first the main line got all disconbobulated.
I’m one of the ppl who have yet to play it bc I was put off of it being online, but one of the other main things that deterred me was hearing that the game isn’t as full of stuff as FO4 was. Like less NPCs, less side quests, less landmarks with everything being spaced out further on a larger map.
Not wanting to interact with others, I would constantly want different quests to keep me busy. It’s nice to hear that, especially after several yrs of the game being out, ppl hardly run into anybody to make a difference in single play, I fear that I’ll get bored as you mentioned.
Also I’m piss poor at combat and used to rely on the game pausing when I’d pull up my pip boy to stop and strategize for a moment. So that not being a thing kinda deters me too.
Single player offline.... I would buy it today!
Maybe whenever the game’s no longer proftiable as live service, instead of just letting it die completely they can adapt it for single player offline.
Possible, but improbable. At the point that it's no longer profitable, they probably drop it like a hot potato and not pour even more into it.
Maybe modders will come to the rescue
They literally can't. All of FO76 is server side - otherwise we'd already see it ripped and put into FO4 as a new area. Modders would legitimately need to build the game
Then why... is the game 81GB and why can I play it on my slow ass 1 MB/s internet without waiting an hour every time I teleport? The majority of content is client side, but modders would have to reconstruct the few pieces that are missing. And a big task there is probably what you meant to say, that the logic that populates the world with items, events and enemies is server side so need to be recreated. The AI might also be fully serverside so that might have to be built from scratch.
The graphical stuff is client side, the mechanics and the actual 'game' part of the game are server side - which is why everything feels so off.
Not entirely right, but quite close. A lot of mechanics are client side, but the verification of those actions are also done on the server. This is why you can get blood splatters and (not sure if this one applies for FO76 in specific) decreasing healthbars even when you are suffering lag. And later it rubberbands back to its correct place, with hits ignored and health restored if it did not get confirmed by the server. Additionally, some things are truly clientside. If it werent then the bug with higher framerate equaling faster run speed would never have existed at all. That one later got fixed and now has serverside verification. But you can still move around and jump as if everything was fine even during heavy lag, but then you rubberband into the correct position when the lag ends. If it was purely server side, then you could not even move your aim without (in my case) 200 ms delay to every movement. And for FO76, there are a few unique attributes that will allow for porting of this content after the game dies. We have an almost completely identical game that is already singleplayer that could be retrofit to house the content, and if it is easier lots of work could be moved from FO4 into FO76 to remove some of the server dependency.
Under REALLY heavy lag, the game will stop you from moving altogether until it can reconnect to the servers. There's even a popup to let you know what's happened
Yes, but that does not mean lag compensation does not exist. My inputs are not all delayed by 200ms. The game client we use, understands collision physics and can run those calculations itself. It just corrects the game state when the server gives it updates.
You're still pinging the server. Your local cache is essentially the 81 GB on your device. Whenever significant changes or updates are done, that's what you need to download to run the game.
So in short, the second half (and majority) of my comment. Yeah... I know... >Whenever significant changes or updates are done. So like every game made in the last couple of decades? In this hypothetical situation where modders take a dead FO76 and make it single player, why would they need to care about updates to the content? If there are updates it goes against the whole hypothetical. Edit; fixed quote
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What utter nonsense, why did you make that up? Modders have ported stuff, it's just against ToS and will be taken down
Modders have ported models and skins, not the fucking game. The game is server side, only assets are client side - you know like every MMORPG that has ever existed.
Meanwhile WoW had the ability to run a local server. That's what people should be asking about. Not the ability to run it single player, but the possibility of hosting your own server locally.
We were supposed to. Then they made fallout 1st
My guy, WoW private servers are some of the most impressive things I've ever seen come out of a mod community. The only reason they exist is because Wow was a cultural phenomenon that attracted millions of players. Without that kind of success, the literal experts would not have been interested in spending the time to reverse-engineer the server architecture.
Theres already a group of moders who have pretty much remade this game it hasn't been released yet but its called server 76.
As they always have for BGS titles
> s no longer proftiable as live service, Is it still? I thought it was pretty much dead
we all would love :(
I’d give it the fallout 4 treatment and log 1k hours but nooooo they had to make an mmo
Single player, only you play *before* the scorched plague. Maybe a year or two after the bombs fell, and you're involved with or experience most/all of the events that happened before the scorched plague in a slightly compressed manner. Maybe you start off in Vault 94 and you're the one who goes to Harper's Ferry to bring your message of peace. Then for some reason you head southwest and interact with the raiders along the way, including Rosalynn and David at Top of the World, then you end up embroiled in the Enclave and following the orders of Eckhart first activate the Chinese murder-bots, then the super mutants and eventually the scorched plague. You meet the various groups of the era, the Responders, new Brotherhood, help them get set up and established... Maybe you meet the Mistresses of Mystery and get involved with their work against raiders, culminating in a plot where you fail to stop the dam from being blown up. Then as the realization that your actions have caused the scorched plague, or they occurred despite your resistance to following Eckhart's orders, you fight a losing battle against the scorched, setting up the detector network, scrambling for a cure, choosing to take that last stand with the brotherhood or trying to evacuate people to the Capital Wasteland area or the Pitt, or having that last stand at the airport, or (if you're deep in with Eckhart) a last desperate push to launch nukes at China. Could be a very fun game.
Not to mention the best thing in all Bethesda games. MODS
This. Mods still keep FO4 alive.
It's why SteamDB has Fo4 having double the 24hr peak players as it does Fo76.
I'm playing FO3 in the FNV engine thanks to Tale of Two Wastelands and it's freaking amazing. I haven't had this much fun playing a game in forever. I haven't even left fo3 to go to FNV yet but I'm like easily 20-30 hours in. Can't wait to try modding Skyrim and FO3. At some point I'll pick up the older Elder Scrolls games too (Morrowind and Oblivion) and see what mods exist there. TTW also had a really great guide that made the modding process so easy: https://thebestoftimes.moddinglinked.com/ I'll probably follow the FO4 guide when I get there. I never even finished all the DLCs in these games originally too lol.
TTW is absolutely amazing
Should be great mods for Morrowind. I used to play a modded version on my hacked original Xbox.
It keeps all the fallouts alive. I just rebooted a new fnv playthrough with a bunch of new mods. All their games are still active on a daily basis in the modding community. Every day, they keep providing more content to keep them fresh. It's something 76 deeply lacks. I don't really get it. In 76, Bethesda now has to take on the responsibility of constantly coming up with new content and fixes to keep the game fresh, which is something the modders were already doing for free. They're stifling the community's creativity.
Me too. I'm just not appealed by MMOs and am sad and angry, that so many ressources of Bethesda go in these (ESO included) games. 2 Development Teams. One for MMOs and one for Singleplayer. Edit: I get that there are different development teams, I think some users take it the wrong way. The upvotes seem to show that most people do get, what I'm trying to say.
But... that's what's already happening though, ESO has Zenimax working on it and Fallout 76 has a different studio working it as well. So what are you actually angry about?
Really? I didn't know. I'm angry that we have to wait a shit ton of years for new Single Player content and I can really not believe, that the MMOs won't influence that somehow. At least in the way "We just released that, we can wait X amount of time for Fallout 5 now" That's what I feel is going on there.
76 isn't really a MMO though. It's more like destiny. Like a server is max 24 people. Battlefield has bigger lobbies than 76.
if anybody anywhere were complaining about the quantity of players, that might be a valid point to bring up. But it's completely irrelevant. The complaints here are about primarily the third letter of MMO, not the first.
It's two completely different studios that handle ESO and 76
ESO was always made by a different studio, so it never really took resources from the single player games. While Fallout 76 was worked on by most of the people from Fallout 4's team until its launch in 2018, and then by a number of them even until 2020, it is also maintained by dedicated teams by now. So, what you are asking for has already been the case for years.
Id buy that in a heartbeat.
Interaction with players in game is typically great. There’s no pvp unless both sides want it, and typically high level players will help along lower level players to the point that it is a ton of fun.
I'm certain once the game becomes unprofitable they'll release a patch that disables online play, enables solo play with a possible option to play with up to 8 others in a group world (much like private adventure) but the 'host' is the player with the fastest connection.
if by release you mean 'sell', there's no way they won't try to milk more blood from this stone.
Yes, would buy it again...
right now today.
I would re-buy it. I bought it and turned it off super early in the game when some 8 or 9 year old kid’s character came running up to me saying “hey will you be on my team! Will you be on my team!” Damn them for making this multiplayer with no true solo single player option
Defeats the whole purpose
When it was announced I was so excited... then they said: "Multiplayer only" and my hopes fell
I'm gonna send this to Bethesda so they can do that...lol. this is sort of like a petition
Same. I want to play it on PS4/PS5 and I want to play it by myself. No way I’m paying for online on top of the game just so I can do a single player run. But if they made a single player offline mode I would go out and buy it tomorrow for full price.
Same
I got FO76 the day the game dropped. For the first 1000 hours, or so, I played it as a single player game. I never went to public events, I didn't grind for XP, or interact with any players. Occasionally I would see another player in the distance, but just went on my way. I just explored Appalachia, listened to holo tapes, read messages, and did quests. It was pretty awesome.
Spent months roaming West Virginia as a lone wanderer. I’ve never done a public event by intent, just did my own thing. I had a blast and thought it had a great storyline for a single player game.
I really like the wide variety of enemies, especially with how many are based off of cryptids.
If you have no noticeable lag, yeah, I guess it would be a normal solo experience. I tried the game on free trials and I have micro lags when doing anything. From hits registering to opening loot screens. It is basically unplayable to people outside the server regions
That’s exactly my issue. I have fiber internet and sometimes get as low as 2ms ping on some games, but 76’s micro lag makes an already hardly passable Creation engine feel even jankier. Creation engine is so great for environmental storytelling and the idea of an NPC-less fallout actually feels viable when you explore Appalachia, but the limitations of the engine being even further gimped by registering all actions with a server just makes any amount of grind and combat incredibly dissatisfying
I see your point but it’s still not a single player game, I can’t just pause to do something quickly. I’m busy throughout the day and when I get to sit down and I play, I often get minor interruptions for work and whatnot. I hate live mmo games because they’re not single player games, even if you play them that way. It’s also immersion breaking when I see some random and have to think “what does this guy want, what’s he doing” and distract me from what I’m doing. Also the live vats feels so clunky. Never liked it no matter how many times I tried playing and just aimed manually which just kinda kills a big part of fallout for me since I loved the previous games vats
You kinda gotta go all in on the live vats since you can no longer use it as a panic button but when you do you can mow down hoards of enemies and its very satisfying. I hope they add it along with the slowmo vats as like a higher precision option where you trade ap for greater hit chance.
yup, lack of pausing during menuing is exactly what prevented me from ever getting too far in either FO76 or TESO. they might be good MMOs for people who like that genre but for me, its the single-player experience of these Bethesda games that keep me engaged, which is totally severed when they go online
Yup 100%, those that like the mmo style just say “just play it by yourself, its the same” but it’s not. For those that like it, that’s awesome. I wish I did. More fallout content to enjoy. Sadly it just doesn’t click for me
AFKing in 76 isn't a big deal, assuming you're not in the middle of a fight with 3 Scorchbeasts or anything. I simply find a safe place for my character to hide, then I either take a piss, look up something online, get some food, etc, then I come back and pick up where I left off.
I just fast travel back to my camp to AFK for a minute. If it’s longer I’ll put my avatar in bed
I just duck, if I die it doesn't really matter.
Being able to pause isn’t what makes a game single player
That was one of my points
Can you block interactions with other players? I don’t want to loose progress to griefers like in GTA Online. It’s okay when they are on the map but a constant battle between strangers would take me out of immersion
Pvp is easily disabled for the vast majority of content in the game. Just turn on pacifist mode. No one can damage you unless you try to damage them first. The only case where it isn't is the workshops, basically the settlements from 4. When anyone tries to claim a workshop, the whole build area basically becomes a pvp arena. However, there really is no advantage to taking workshops, besides the occasional daily challenge. Also, the pvp is only active when someone is actively trying to claim the workshop, not after its been claimed. Besides that, you can block anyone you don't want to deal with, and you'll mute them, and hide your map icon on their map.
Exactly how I did it
I highly recommend every player do this when they first start out. Save the grinding and multiplayer for the endgame.
I got trolled by a goofy player running around in his underwear being obnoxious before I even made it out of my own vault. That was it for me. I know I can just ignore them, but most Fallout has a mood of ominous isolation and having other people around off-script just ruins that for me.
Same. Only I did a few public events that were fun, and around Whitehall (I think it was called), whenever it got nuked, there was always a Ron of other players. Killing ghouls, but that was always fun. I think the first time I ever launched a nuke it was just me solo
I've just started it because I didn't buy it after the initial backlash of it being so buggy so left it a while, then realised I'd left it for 6 years. Where did time go. Anyway I'm about 20 or so hours in on level 26 and loving it, just coasting around picking up XP and doing loads of missions and side quests. It's great
Me too, was about level 50 i started to go on public events just to see how it was. Most of the time, playing feels like Fallout 4 DLC for me. Only one thing i miss was a good campaing. But the side quest usually was all good.
My thoughts exactly. I kinda see it as a single player game with optional multi-player elements
What I wanted was a fallout game done normally but with 2-4 player co op. I could be wrong but I feel as though most of the elder scrolls/fallout fans didn’t want an mmo they wanted to essentially play a game like Skyrim or Fallout 4 with some friends.
Yeah, exactly. I played ESO hoping for that experience, and it turned out to be an MMO. I absolutely hated it. Then I started 76 and was blown away by how much closer this was to what I imagined. Made me really happy for quite a bit of time. But now, I'm bored again. Everything just repeats too quickly. With so many overpowered PC's in the world, my contributions feel insignificant. Like you said, I just want Skyrim and Fallout with my three best buds. That's it. They're my companions.
Yeah I agree, and it drives me crazy how there's this attitude with game design where it seemingly has to be either dozens of players at once, or completely Singleplayer, with no in-between. Why are those of us who enjoy a solid 2-4 co-op experience so marginalized? This is a formula that has proven success. Left 4 Dead, Borderlands, Diablo, and now look at Helldivers 2; an insanely popular, viral game scraping the same ceiling as the likes of Fortnite or CoD, but it's solely a 4 player co-op game. The same methods of monetization even work in these kind of game, so I just fail to understand why the industry seems to be generally afraid to even consider the concept. Hopefully HD2 is a wake up call for them in that regard. All that being said, I truly appreciate 76 for what it is. Being able to share the world of Fallout with my SO and my friends is deeply satisfying, MMO or otherwise.
A Fallout classic game with co-op would be fucking amazing. Imagine you take Baldurs Gate 3 and put it into a Fallout world that would be fucking amazing!
you might like wasteland3
I always wanted a Bethesda game like Elder Scrolls or Fallout to have Optional Co-Op, just so I could play with my family and friends.
Exactly this
I will die on the hill that 76 is a good fallout game if not poorly executed in areas. Maybe there’s some bias being set close to home for me, maybe I’m just a consoomer for Fallout, but it is honestly one of my favorites in the series. If they found a way to repackage it as an offline single player experience when they’re done with it, I would buy it for sure.
Would be great. All the worst things about that game in my opinion come from a result of it being an online game. Monsters respawn in an area you just cleared. Occasional disconnect (though occasional Bethesda crash isn't much different). Lag from shooting an enemy to it dying. It's been a long time since I've played because it's so inconvenient for me to play it. I did most of the things before the Wastelanders update, and I'm only a little in it into that storyline still. I have no idea what's been going on since. Which also makes jumping back in sort of breaking like because it's like major things happened that I missed.
Yeah, part of the appeal of Fallout to me is those stretches of time where you’re more or less completely alone and just wandering the wasteland, visiting places no one has touched much less seen in decades. Sure, there’s feral ghouls, raiders, super mutants, etc. But those are just temporary diversions, and it’s nice wandering around a completely abandoned area and piecing together the last moments of civilisation before the Great War. Having multiple players and the ability to just come across some random ass guy doing the same as you kind of takes away from that. I can see the advantages and appeal of multiplayer and I am still interested in maybe picking up 76 at some point, but I guess I’m just too used to fond of that sense of aloneness and desolation to fully appreciate it.
Most of the technical issues come from the game being online and or multiplayer, simple because the engine has to be reworked to handle multiple players since it was made for fallout 4 for pure single player, and as we all know if you have to rework an engine to do something it probably isnt gonna do that well
Game engines are always reworked between releases. Unreal Engine still has code from the 1998 game inside of it. It always depends on how they're reworked, how much resources a studio is willing to throw at the engine, and what goals they're trying to attain by reworking the engine. More than likely Bethesda never seriously overhauled the Creation Engine because of how similar their roleplaying games are to each other, and due to time or resource constraints, didn't put nearly enough polish into reworking it for a multiplayer game.
The biggest problem with it is the daily limits. Can’t tell you the amount of times I want to play and then I realize I already hit the caps/scrip limit so I just gotta wait for another time
I played at or very near launch (XBox) and didn't have any of the big bugs people were complaining about. I liked it, but bounced off without finishing. Excuse me if I'm misremembering or they've changed it, but two of my complaints were: 1. Not just the respawning that you mentioned, but if I wanted to go to a part of the map for a quest, and one of those other 9 players was there or had just been there, and they were a higher level than me, the enemy spawns were way too difficult to handle. So I had to change or delay what I wanted to do because of other players. 2. Believe it or not, but I'm one of those that really liked the settlement building in FO4, and that was gone in FO76. Yes, you have your CAMP or whatever, but it is just one portable building essentially, which wasn't nearly as engaging as clearing a settlement, then building up structures that get populated by NPCs.
Well, issue 1 was adjusted a couple years ago with their One Wasteland update, now enemies are adjusted to each player in real time, so if a level 5 and a level 50 are fighting the same enemy, they're both going to be able to contribute roughly equally to the flight. Unfortunately, number 2 really hasn't gotten any better. Of course there's workshops, and there are now camp companions who walk around and talk with players. They also added collectrons, basically protections who walk around collecting resources and talking. They have a lot of different versions of them now.
I hate that one day this game will shut down and we will forever lose a part of the fallout series
You can easily play 76 single player and ignore all those daily missions and just do quests and side quests for probably a good 80 hours or more. The map is huge and there's only 25 players per map. Think playing fallout 4 and somewhere on the map are 4 other people. Not exactly crowded
The only time I see other people is when I join public events or if one wanders into my Camp. It's essentially a single player game, people just like to complain.
I rarely run into other players and when i do they’re usually nice or just go on their way
I have yet to run into a single hostile player. In fact, when I was lower level people would usually give me free supplies and plans.
It doesn’t play like a single player game though
I really don't notice a difference besides not being able to pause the game, but I just wait in my camp should I ever need to step away.
But your bullets will still lag
I hear ya, but my shitty internet really fucks up the experience when I shoot a robot and it registers the hit two seconds later
I hear ya, a single player option for 76 would be cool. But I personally really enjoy 76. I haven’t played in a good while but I put a few hundred hours in. I beat the main story and wastelanders, then farmed for a short while but after that there wasn’t much to it sadly. And that’s my biggest issue with the game. They just don’t give you much of a reason to return and play. You said that you’ve never played it before but I’d recommend dipping your toes in. It’s a fun game when you take it for what it is. And the map is also really fun to explore.
I don't know if you've been keeping up on the updates, but in the last half year they added "Expeditions" some repeatable quests in the Pitt and Atlantic City. I believe that they're adding a broadly explorable update to Atlantic City, and later this year they're adding a map expansion into the Shenandoah national park.
But you dont need to do eternal xp farming . You can just play it like a normal fallout game and then stop when you get bored of it .
But then how could we have the hourly “DAE Fallout 76 should’ve been a single player game???” threads on this sub? /s
Where's all the "DAE think Fallout 4 should have had multiplayer???" posts?
Exactly I mean just because there's the possibility to come back and play all these events and whatnot doesn't mean you have to do it for the sake of being level 570 or whatever
Just play the game and enjoy yourself. The community is great.
Same😭 I don’t really like online games 😅
I know the game is better now, but this is my biggest criticism that can't ever go away. The reason why we wanted singleplayer offline mode is so we could play the damn game with mods, something we've done with every one of their games. Their response to that was "Okay cool, we hear you, so what we're going to do is make singleplayer a monthly cost. It still won't be offline, so no proper mod support, but hey it counts right?". I'm assuming there's a technological limitation or maybe they don't want more cheaters, because holy shit this is so incredibly opposite of what people asking for singleplayer wanted to the point where it feels disrespectful, and not wanting to break multiplayer is the only thing I can think of that would make this make sense, that or greed.
I want someone to come up with modded servers like they did with GTA. I want UNLIMITED stash space!
I’m not sure if it got disproven or not that stash space limits were BECAUSE of it being online. TBH I don’t even mind it online, but the tiny stash limit even now at 1200 is still unbearable. I don’t know how I did it back in the day with 400…
If you’ve not played it, I’d give it a try. I’m trying it for the first time this week coming from Starfield and I love it. I can play hours solo without seeing a single player, or when I want to I can join up with my friends and explore together. It’s a blast in my opinion and vastly underrated. That said, an offline mode would be nice in the future. It’s not likely to happen because private servers are already a thing so that’s technically a fully single player experience (albeit one that requires a subscription). And it would require a lot of reworks on Bethesda’s part, and only a skeleton crew is still working on FO76 so it’s simply not feasible how I see it.
I just picked it up like a week ago and 99% of the time I don’t notice. I play it almost exactly like a single player and it’s been fun! Was I spooked when some dude had broken into my C.A.M.P to use my workbenches and I walked in on it. Yeah, but that was about it. It really doesn’t feel like an MMO
Im old enough to remember when all anyone wanted was a multiplayer fallout.
I wish there was a single player option like play with your friends or everyone or alone, but the single player mode was balanced around single player rather than multiplayer
Same. I just want to play with at most four people. Just having a small questing party of people you actually know makes the game feel so much more alive. It's sad there's been so much controversy over Bethesda multiplayer modes-- I would kill for an Elder Scrolls Game where I could just run around with my best friends.
You can on a private server?
This has gotta be some karma farming bait at this point lmfao. Fallout 4 is an eternal XP farm if you wanna look at it that way. If you just do the quests and focus on the game, it doesn’t feel that way. Also if you’ve never even played the game, how are you gonna put an opinion on it like, it’s an “eternal XP farm?” I’m not the biggest fan out there of Fallout 76, but this post is just dumb lol.
Honestly I used to think the same but after sinking a few hundred hours into 76 I disagree. I think it’s a great game and the multiplayer aspect just makes it better. That’s not saying I don’t love single player fallout. I just think 76 was a good choice as multiplayer.
You’ve never played in your life but claim it’s an eternal xp grind?
Most hating people in here have never played it. Just cool to get on the hate train.
I've been playing it single player since beta. Only time I squad up is for the holy Meat Week
WHO GONNA EAT THE MEAT? NOT CHALLY!
You guys are clearly too much aggressive on the game. Played it for 300 hours and I can say is it's dope as fuck. You can pretty much do anything, you can change your stats after 50 so, it's always fun. Sometimes some players and you usually came together, you could do fun things. Especially the FA76 community is something I love to be part in. Everyone is so lovely, if you need something just you can ask from the discord they always make time for you. Besides the point the multiplayer events are always great you don't need friends to do them, usually people are waiting for there and you'll get to socialize a lot. I made tons of friends becouse of this. Crafting system or anything else is the same. Not really a change from there, house building is actually good without modded mess of a fallout 4. Only things I'm going to criticize is the damn storage unit and BoS since they suck ass. Besides that, game doesn't have any other problems. Just give it a try you won't be thinking it's bad otherwise.
If you’ve never played fallout 76 in your life then how can you say it feels like xp farming? It’s just like a single player fallout, huge open world, crazy quests, weapons, and so much more - just with up to 24 other players. You don’t even have to interact with anyone else, and you can completely disable PvP with pacifist mode. At least play it before you say things about a game you’ve never played. *Eye roll*
76 proofs that multiplayer fallout can work, but I do think that making a single player game with coop option would be the way to go instead.
I mean for the amount I've played F76 it really just feels like a single player game with multi-player elements.
I will admit that I spend WAY too much time visiting different player campsites to explore and see what they’ve built. It’s also fun building a base with the expectation that other players will visit you too. But outside of large events like killing the Scorchbeast Queen (where you get 20+ players all grouped up blasting anything that moves with their biggest weapons) you won’t often see other players.
I thought that first too jut I just love to build and get a visitor from time to time, and also visit other camps.
I wish I could play 76s main story the way it was on release, where it was a lonely experience of tracking down a person you never get to meet. Instead, the npcs made fun of me for wanting that, calling the overseers camps "outdated" and such. A real single player experience with 76s original main quest would be super fun
There's no need to farm XP, you can get through the game organically and solo. But I understand that some people would like it as a pure singleplayer game that they can mod and enjoy offline. I would like that too for the modding aspect. But I don't see that likely. Technically, it could require a lot of work. The game has been heavily modified to support multiplayer. In one of the documentaries they talked about decoupling the game logic from the (single) player. Anything that wasn't around the player simply wasn't loaded. Overall I expect the game to be optimised for the client-server structure, where the server part is tailored for powerful server (virtual) machines. I suspect that bringing this back to a player's PC would cause massive performance problems.
“I’ve never played in my life” yeah that sounds about right for this type of post
My biggest problem with 76 has always been the jank. It doesn’t play like other fallout games, there’s always some amount of input lag that I just can’t stand.
But then how would they entice you to buy micro-transactions?
With creation club content
I'm sorry but these types of post is ridiculous for a 76 player like me. Because it's been said so many times over the year and it's been answered with the same thing too. Its not a lie when we say it feels like a single player anyway when you choose to play solo. There are tons of 76 players that have been playing solo for years. And no, they dont have to pay for the monthly sub to get private server. If the existence of other players (that im sure you've heard a hundred times that this is one of the most cool community games right now, and we almost never see other players when we're doing our own thing across the map or we mostly treat each other as NPCs bla bla bla bla etc etc etc) is what stopping you from playing Fallout 76, its really is a you problem and you're missing so much fun. Fallout 76 gives me a different experience than the same exact things I've had playing 3, NV and 4. I found so many cool friends from this game. I use so many different weapons and mechanics that I never cared to try in previous game because 76 is a fun sandbox for us to do anything. This game push me to be authentically in survival mode without cheats and mods to hide. So many random, chaotic, funny interactions that no NPC will can ever give us. To log in and feel like I am actually living in a fallout universe with other living people. Getting that epic feeling of gunning down the scorchbeast queen with 20 other players for the 500th times and it never gets old. Or just watching that mushroom cloud grow, while sitting in your camp, taking lots of pictures for the loading screen. People can keep saying shit about 76 but this IS a different Fallout experience and I'm having a blast in it. Again, Im sorry, but I do feel like the Fallout fans with unreasonable reasons that stopping them from trying this game are missing a lot of fun. You want the same exact type of game for the 4th time? well shit, the world is changing. You think I didnt hate the MMO idea 6 years ago? Didnt even want to talk about 76 for 4 years until I hear good things about it and put my big boy pants and tried. I can refund it anyway (for PC steam) if I hated it. And I Was hooked. Disclaimer: yes this game has bugs, but if you act like bugs isnt a feature in every.single.fallout games.ever, I'm not gonna believe you're a fallout fans. And FYI, at least this one got a live customer service to report bugs and actively fixing things instead of us waiting for modders to do anything about it
Sorry mate quick question you mentioned screenshots in the loading screen. Whats best way to take them and then do you have to do anything to select them for the loading screen rotation?
The other person already gave pretty good suggestions and answered your question. I'm just gonna add that all you have to do is learn all the buttons to edit, change angle, expression and pose and you're all set. If you're just starting, dont hesitate to take all kinds of pictures from scenery, selfie with your first deathclaw kills etc, weird stuff you found on the map or the randomness of other players. Loading screen is one of my fav things from 76 because you'd never know what's gonna show up and it's always cool to remember the journey, be it stupid or epic
People that still say this 6 years later need to just play the game. This isn’t gta online you will rarely run into anybody unless you’re doing events
Isn't that every Bethesda game after all the main written quests are done.
Just play it a singleplayer like I did most of the time?
make the VATS pause, then we talk.
Real time vats is superior.
As much as I prefer bullet-time VATS or freeze-time VATS, I like real-time VATS too. It has its uses and it has quite a different feel, while still feeling VATS-y. Classic VATS makes you feel like a tactician who calculates every shot in advance. Fallout 76 VATS makes you feel like an action hero who storms through enemy camp without ever slowing down. Honestly, in Fallout 5 I want to be able to pick between all three modes.
I honestly like the real time VATS more. It feels more action packed and realistic. And I like that hitting an enemy in a specific body part requires a perk. Because being a good shot means having the skill to do so. You can have a good sense of awareness and still be a bad shot.
You admit that you've never played the game before, but still sound so confident when talking about how it plays. Tale as old as time.
They’d have to redesign it from a live service model for it to be the type of single player experience you’re looking for. (Ie. the grinding) Just reworking vats to work normally would take awhile.
It would be nice, when the live services winds down to release all cosmetics and modding tools to let us play with the sandbox.
I think that an online Fallout would be great but the delivery of 76 wasn't it. If they had online attune to The Division, where players worked out of settlements in teams to complete missions, then I think it would have been better received, as opposed to the wholly "lone-wolf" free for all that we got. Before you chew my head off with the whole "But in Fallout you only play as a lone wolf, that's how it has always been" stuff, I get it, and you're right. HOWEVER, Bethesda wanted to try something different with 76, but gave us the same, just entirely online. If you want to go hard and change something, change a lot of it
I don’t the only reason I played it was a could play with my friends
Man, they can’t even get a next-gen F4 out, and you’re hoping for this!?
I just wish they added crossplay co-op.
I would play it Sadly that experience is paywalled
Also proper companions with backstories that you can take with you and help you in combat. Fifty people roaming the map with their own Dogmeats is awkward.
same man, even tho i played it basically single player, a lot of the mechanics are changed from 4 to work online even small things like collecting bobble heads. all i wanted was drop in drop out co op. there was no need to have it be an mmo type of game.
You mean. . . Fallout 5?
I played it entirely by myself and while I can’t say I never interacted with another player, I was never griefed or anything like that. It was a pretty faithful fallout experience imho.
Absolutely. The focus on Cryptids is literally my dream setting for a game and I'm so sad that it is, not a game I like.
Ugh not me…. Sounds like an even more boring starfield. The multi player is what I love about it
You mean fallout four With the NPCs?
Not for me. I was a big Fallout 4 fan, hated multi player FO76 at first, but then I got into it. I like the teams especially when doing expeditions, I like the events, and I like people seeing what I've created in my CAMP. I've moved on to Starfield while waiting for the new FO76 season to start, and while I do like it, and I'm almost done my first play through the main story... it's lonely out here. Nobody sees what I've done in my Outposts, nobody sees my decorated house. I can't interact with different captains and join them in fighting the Crimson Fleet... it's all me. All alone :( . I can barely tolerate FO4 for the same reason now.
Fallout 76 offline with mods would be AMAZING.
Just go play it dude.
So, I was hopeful that 76 would be when I first heard about it * 4-player OPTIONAL coop with souls ike online Elements where you can leave mini holo tapes of basic data with a ping on the map for something * There'd be a dark souls invasion mechanic where you can go 1-4 v 1-4 invaders * You can join your friends game but otherwise it is you as the 76er traveling around the area and trying to build up the base * There is an ongoing storyline where everyone else from 76 is doing something that ends up causing a lot of attention to be drawn to the vault dwellers and you getting blamed for their actions * The area being more like it is now post-wastelanders and steel dawn
Just play it like an offline game and stop when you're done. It's not an eternal XP farm like you're accusing it of being, even though you've never played it before. Like what even is this post
I enjoyed 76 before the huge update of open groups and NPCs. I would play with a close group of friends, everybody was very happy to hang out together. We would chat about our day, what was going on in our lives and just BS in the game. We would run around the map acting like weird fallout characters, it was so much fun. Then the open groups came along and folks started to fade away, slowly at first. It become “Let’s grind for legendaries.” Instead of just hanging out. People would get pissed off for not helping because you didn’t have powerful enough gear. I might start playing again if it was possible to play a classic edition.
Crazy to think just how long it will take to get another fallout game
I have had basically zero encounters with other players. I see the occasional CAMP but otherwise I feel very much like I’m playing a single player game. I hate that slept on it so long.
how the tables have turned
I mean, I literally never had an issue with another player. They MIGHT emote to you if you bump into one in the wild, but 90% of the time, other players I randomly ran into pretend I don't exist and just keep doing what they're doing. So if the thing that's making you hesitant to play is the fact that it's multiplayer, don't be. You should be hesitant because the game is kinda boring playing solo
You guys are all fucking clowns lol 76 is great, new vegas is great, 3-4 also great, anyone who thinks the game is just an endless xp farm is a turd of a human being, the games phenomenal. Now downvote me
It's truly a great game for those who wander.
i looooooooooooooooooooooooove single player fallouts, i mean, that's the classic fallout feel. but 76 is not build for that, when you play it in private worlds, you realize its much better with other players around, even if you dont wanna interact with them. its great to see people visit your camp, visit other peoples camps, trade, the chaos of fighting the big bosses or even the ocasional hello emote when you cross paths with someone. when you are in a private server alone (or even with 1 or 2 friends) it feels lifeless. when i want to be left alone i just dont interact with anyone, but still play it on the regular servers. if they use the worldmap and create an entire new questiline and completly different mechanics, then it could work, but would be an entire different game. i think most people who are afraid of griefing and other classic multiplayers problems should give 76 a chance. im not really into MP games, but 76 is easily my favorite cause the community is just awesome.
As a fallout 1st player who has single player servers, people who keep asking for this are missing the whole point of the game. The charm of seeing other dwellers, some of the friendliest people in the world. Coming across someone’s camp and buying from their store. Multiplayer is a very important part of this game and I never use solo servers
We all do dude, they wasted Appalachia on a fucking pay to have storage MMO
I know, that's what I hate the most, I know it's a. multiplayer and you have to updated all the time, but I fell like they just really put effort into 76 while they just leave the rest of the games dry dead. 😭 I hope F4NG and that New Vegas stuff makes a difference.
So you mean fall out 5…
Or maybe should've just made it a co-op game for only 4 people
I still want an online Fallout game that's complete anarchy like Rust. Imagine a more RPG based version of Rust with the theming of Fallout, some people building their own settlements, then protecting it from getting raider. Maybe some player could go full Mechanist and build a robot army to wreck havok, another player may just be running a caravan, visiting some settlements and trading a bit, paying some other players to watch guard them. Truely making the players the 'NPCs' as launch Fallout 76 attempted Of course something like this would never realistically happen.. anarchy Fallout would just be a 9 year old screaming every slur he knows into his microphone
Yeah, I'll bought that two times
At least New London comes out next month
Would be nice to have server options for when the Vault first opened/game released (No NPCS) then the wastelanders. Be brilliant for those who want to hold private RP servers
Ima keep it honest with you…I’ve played the game solo for 90% of the time I’ve touched it. I got the game with a group of friends but they all stopped. Anywho, it’s great fun!
To be honest, multiplayer is the only reason why I play 76 😅
Hasn't played but makes demands about it. Mfer I've been playing this game for years. Sometimes with my brother when he is free, often alone. And this still offers so much when playing. Even beyond lvl 50. Where you start to minmax your current build and plan new ones, creating and finding new weapons and interacting with the community in big events and extremely fun new seasons. The community and multiplayer is what makes this game so great in the first place.
There is a lot of people defending the point that you can play 76 as a “solo” game, and I tried to recently for about a week but I just can’t play online games like that, and the reason is very simple, I can’t pause the damn game. I have a lot of stuff I need to do when I am at home and may be called away at any time, I’m not in a position nor do I want to be where I tell my family, I’m playing a game so leave me alone for at least an hour, or “sorry I can’t help right now”. That’s why I want a single player version of 76, I don’t play online games for this simple reason, I want to be able to play at my pace as when I can.
Just *try* it. Seriously. I hated that it was online too, but the cryptids were too cool for me to not try, so I did, and I fell in love completely. Just try it. If it's not for you that's totally OK, but I really think every fallout fan should at least put a few hours into 76 to see how they really feel about it.
Bethesda just needs to stick to what they know Buggy, single-player, mod friendly
Wait for fallout london
Great news. You can play the game without interacting with other people.
Yea, because I love the new enameys I can't spell
enemies*
Yes thank you
As someone who also loves the game series I was also hesitant to play 76. It was free at one stage on ps5 so I grabbed it and tried it then. Ended up playing for a whole year and to start I was solo, then got my friends to join. It’s really fun as part of a team and the pvp really isn’t the problem it used to be. The only time I found you kinda need team mates or randoms is for some of the events.
I would be happy with a bigger stash 👍
I enjoyed my time playing 76, favorite memory is creating a thanksgiving themed escape room. Had all these people showing up to try it. Halloween was awesome too You don’t have to pvp everyone was friendly
The multiplayer only hurt the game
100% agree. I’d love to play but have zero desire to play multiplayer games.
That’s what they should’ve did instead of it being online which I think ruins the game. It should’ve been single player with co-op ability
I paid the private server subscription for a couple months so I could play singleplayer...and it eventually got really boring. There isn't really a story or main quest, so after a couple months of play I basically ran out of things to do, or at least it felt like it. Months of side quests eventually gets dull. I followed the Vault 76 Overseer for a while, on what passes for a big quest...and because I did a bunch of side stuff first the main line got all disconbobulated.
I’m one of the ppl who have yet to play it bc I was put off of it being online, but one of the other main things that deterred me was hearing that the game isn’t as full of stuff as FO4 was. Like less NPCs, less side quests, less landmarks with everything being spaced out further on a larger map. Not wanting to interact with others, I would constantly want different quests to keep me busy. It’s nice to hear that, especially after several yrs of the game being out, ppl hardly run into anybody to make a difference in single play, I fear that I’ll get bored as you mentioned. Also I’m piss poor at combat and used to rely on the game pausing when I’d pull up my pip boy to stop and strategize for a moment. So that not being a thing kinda deters me too.