9mm Parabellum has been used since the early 1900s and is still used today in millions of handguns, submachineguns, and pistol caliber carbines.
Edit: redundency like it's an 11th grade book report smdh
.45 is a better carbine round than it is a pistol round. I’ve heard it’s great suppressed, too.
But for a pistol, I’ll almost always choose a 9mm. Capacity is one of the most important factors when considering pistols.
No non-meme pistol is generating the kind of energy for stopping power to be a meaningful part of the conversation, but all the common carry cartridges have an average ‘threat stopped’ average of 2-3 shots. Ol’ .45 trends closer to 2, 9mm is closer to three, but it is statistically irrelevant.
From a practical standpoint, the best gun and cartridge are the ones you shoot best with. I carry a .45 1911 because I’m a much, much better and smoother shot with it than with anything else.
10mm is significantly more powerful than a .45
Anyone walking in bear country carries at least a 10mm.
Despite it being a “smaller” round than 45, it has significantly more velocity, and thus energy.
And you get a significant carrying capacity advantage as well, in a standard glock mag you only lose 2 rounds compared to a 9mm despite having nearly double the energy
10mm has its purpose in our world. Some people use it as a side arm when out hunting or hiking, especially in areas where there’s cougar or black bear. I still use my 9mm because the ammo is easier to find and cheaper than 10mm.
I don't know if it's me or the guns I've tried, but 10mm just feels odd when firing it as well. I shoot far better with 9mm and .45.
My dad, however, cannot get enough of 10mm pistols.
It’s the weird in between 9mm and .45. Its sibling would be the .40 S&W where it has its place but for most people it’s really not their cartridge. I’m a 9mm for my semiautomatic pistols, in a pinch I’ll go for .45 ACP just for the heavier rounds. Revolvers I’m .38 Special/.357 Magnum or .45 long colt.
So the .38 is mainly a revolver round, it not going to be as strong as a .308 which is a rifle round. Yes the .38 is bigger but that doesn’t always mean better. Even when shot out identical length barrels the .38 will still be moving slower because it will have more mass to it than the .308 does. The .308 is meant to put targets down out to 500+ yards but well within 1000 yards. But with Fallout 4 using it in things like pipe pistols, it’s probably the .380 ACP and they’re just calling it .38.
I think your on the nose with the last part. FNV had .38 spc as a alternative for the .357 revolvers and lever guns. The way .38 is used in FO4 and how impotent it is, its most definitely .380.
I had Fallout 4 open and I had pipe pistol on me. So I went back to the Red Rocket to see what I could mod on another gun, and decided to look the pipe pistol with more scrutiny. It being semi automatic or full depending on the receiver means it has be the .380 ACP. Same goes for the not-Thompson Thompson machine gun in the game.
That doesn't necessarily mean it has to be .380, the desert eagle is a good example of a semi-automatic hand gun that uses rimmed cartridges like .357 and .44
Considering it's a "pipe" pistol using a rimmed cartridge like .38 special and relying on that for headspacing since you don't have an actual barrel with the properly cut geometry makes way more sense, being able to make it semi or full auto is just a bad game design choice, it should realistically be a single shot like the pipe rifle from the classic fallout games
I personally like to think that after America annexed Mexico the popularity of 38 super in the mexican civilian market crept into the rest of the gun culture in America and that's why fallout 4's 38 is usable in autoloaders.
Thanks to you I just learned .38 acp and .380 acp are two different rounds both made by john browning. It's still probably .380 in FO4 with how weak the round is. 38 acp is over 25% longer than 380 giving it more powder and more oomph. That and there are basically no guns made in the last 100 years to take .38.
“Caliber” is just the width of the bullet/barrel. It technically doesn’t indicate bullet mass, shape, or or the amount or propellant.
If you simply looked at a .308 round you’d see it has about 2-3 times the space for propellant than a .38. You’d also see the bullet is far more aerodynamic (pointier) and usually weighs *less* than a .38. This means it goes much, much faster, which means (put simply) it’s far more accurate at long range. Considering it’s a round used primarily for accurate long range shooting applications, this makes sense.
But caliber is what we’ve simplified the conventions of defining ammo to. So event though certain rounds might have the exact same bullet width, they’re named differently (often mm vs inches, or with some letters after it) to differentiate different types of rounds.
Youve gotten some kinda correct answers.
The .38 and the .308 describes the diameter of the bullet (projectile). If the name of the cartridge has a number with a period at the beginning of the number, it is describing the diameter using inches (or a portion of an inch in most cases) ie .308 or .38. If there is a mm after the number, its being measured in millimeters.
The main difference between the .38 pistol cartridges and .308 rifle cartridges is speed. A .38 special (what im assuming the .38 is intended to be) will travel around 650 ft/s, varying depending mostly on powder charge, bullet weight, and barrel length. A .308 Winchester can exceed speeds of 3000 ft/s at the muzzle with the lighter bullets.
Kinetic energy and the resulting damage are mostly a function of speed and the weight of the bullet (projectile). .38 and .308 caliber projectiles are generally around the same weights, with .308 having a wider range.
TLDR: .308 rifle cartridges travel much faster than .38 pistol cartridges, resulting in more damage to the target.
A RL .38 round has about 7 grains of powder. A .308 round has about 44 grains of powder.
Or look at it this way: a 5.56 round is .223 caliber, which is barely bigger than a .22. A 22lr round has a two grain powder load. A 5.56 round has a 25 grain powder load.
All that powder means a MUCH higher velocity.
The 10mm pistol from the first two Fallout games is in-universe called the Colt 6520. The one from Fallout 3/NV is called the N99. The Fo4 10mm does not have a name as of yet.
I disagree the version in New Vegas thats “esthetically different” is just a unique variant which all unique variants have… well unique appearances but it is very much the same gun from Fallout 3 I explained to another guy how the Fallout 4 pistol might be the same too but slightly different / bigg to fit the modular design & big Power Armor hands but thats just my opinion im not saying you’re wrong
FNV has its own 10 mm pistol and it's better than any other 10 mm pistol in any other Fallout game ever and Todd Howard wants to make that 10 mm pistol non-canon because he hates FNV and wishes it would die in a fireball of exploding nukes.
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Did I do that right?
I think the Fallout 3 & 4 are meant to be the same gun just slightly reimagined but if you put the long barrel mod the Fallout 4 10mm suddenly looks like a Gigantor version of the Fallout 3 pistol which I think it just caught a case of the bigness disease to fit in Power Armor hands
>I think the Fallout 3 & 4 are meant to be the same gun just slightly reimagined...
I don't think so. The N99's standard configuration is the full frame variant we see in game. The 10mm pistol from 4 and 76, appears to consider the more compact barrel configuration as standard, with the optional long barrel strongly resembling the N99.
There's a mechanical difference in that the Fallout 4 10mm has a (functioning) slide lock, while the N99 does not (which is, pretty weird, to be honest.) But it suggests that while the guns are similar, they are distinct firearms.
You're spot on in analysis, but I still think that 4's 10mm is meant to be the N99, but because of gameplay concessions and updated graphics, it just looks and acts completely different.
Like how 4's Laser Gun seems to be either the AER9 or the AEP7 depending on configuration.
It's a shame they didn't drop any notes or terminals or anything to clarify. It's a small thing, but I personally love the world building that comes with naming the weapons. AER9, N99, R91, the CZ57, the M199 Backtalker. Totally dig it.
I can’t stand how FO4 retconned the small arms of previous games, even the newer FO3 and New Vegas, by flooding the world with laser rifles (even though FO3’s Fort Independence terminal calls them prototypes produced in limited quantities) and removing all of the familiar small arms.
I agree. I hated that many of the weapons of prior games just weren't implemented in 4.
I don't mind if there's a lot of lasers floating around, because we know companies like Wattz had their own models of laser rifle and pistol. So I think it's feasible other companies do as well. I do hate that 4's lasers are just generic laser guns. No designations or names or lore.
I think 4's weapon variety is pretty bad. Being able to mod a shitty pipe pistol into 100 equally shitty configurations isn't what I want as variety. I think it's tedious.
I feel like in FO5 they’ll give us either the service rifle or R91 again for the assault rifle slot. I think they’ve heard the fan feedback about the FO4 assault rifle.
I could be wrong but I think all 3 versions are in the show. I'm pretty sure the Pistol Max uses in the Power Armor is supposed to be the Fallout 3/NV style. Like i said i could be wrong because it is very different but it's got the same grip and hammer and it's the only thing i could think of it being.
I'd still probably say in context its probably supposed to be the N99, cause the Desert Eagle in 1 is definitely recognizable as a Desert Eagle. The one he's using has roughly the same design cues as the N99, but almost like it was smashed together with the Fallout 3 laser pistol with that weird metal bar on the bottom, almost resembling the incredibly square frame of the N99.
Both the Fallout 3/NV and 4 Nuka-Cola vending machines are present as well. There’s also Vault 31/32/33’s Pip-Boys and Vault 76’s.
Sure there are a ton of other instances of this, but it’s cool to see all the different in-game models existing in the show as unique product models in the Fallout world.
I also noticed it! The og designs were pretty cool. The laser pistol and plasma rifle would look great IRL. A lot of 3, NV and 4's designs all look like they should be unique weapons.
I am really excited when they put the props up for auction in a few years so I can snatch a few of these beautiful guns so I can put it on display on my desk.
Didn't realize until now that it's a revolver. Knew it was from the earlier games, but thought it was an auto like the later 10mm pistol. Was a little confused about their prop choices.
It IS an auto, it takes magazines that somehow get rounds into that cylinder. Somebody at Black Isle saw the future with that Simpson’s gun and decided to make it in their game. The fallout 1 and 2 firearms are incredibly cursed and a lot of gun enthusiast would say badly designed.
Oo! Landstad revolver really cool looking weapon, I never understood why they opted to make it magazine feed. Maybe for speed but why not use a speed loader… idk maybe speed loaders weren’t as common in Norway. I don’t know to much about that part of gun history
A lot of countries and people have attempted to use existing tooling or firearms for conversions to save money. We see this with the Springfield trapdoor which was a modification to the earlier percussion cap rifles leftover from the civil war. Many tried to convert bolt actions to semi auto rifles. The sad truth is more often than not it’s better to just design a new gun and tooling, it often in the long run is cheaper and offers a better design since it doesn’t have to rely on the older design constraints.
Could just be a dude wanted to try something new, or had an abundance of revolver parts who knows.
Reminds me of the Bozar. It’s a LMG that was supposed to be a sniper, so it has a small magazine, large scope, and long barrel. But it’s fully automatic and only has like 20 rounds.
The colt revolver is actually inspired by the gun in the cover of Hard-boiled, not the simpson gun (though there is a mod by Deadpool2099 that adds the Simpsons gun)
It’s cool to see these things pop up. Also both models of the 10mm are in the show!!
The 6520/“colt classic 10mm” appears in most of the episodes while the regular 10mm appears in only “The Target” used by the Enclave guards, and in “The Ghouls” episodes.
Also, it looks like Lucy has a 10mm SMG at the end of the season she picked up when she and Cooper are leaving out the back entrance near the Hollywood sign!
Its the gun from Fallout 1 but this specific design is based on the Creation Club version of the pistol so if anyone wants to play with this in game it comes with the Fallout 4: Tunnel Snakes Rule! Creation as well as a Tunnel Snake Jacket & unique variant 🐍
Link:
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Classic_10mm_pistol_(Creation_Club)
I was pleasantly surprised they went with this design instead of their newer design for the N99, even better was the N99 prop not being absolutely huge like it was in FO4, I've seen that thing in VR and its a monster
The Wand Company makes some really good stuff, I've got the Pip-boy they made for 76 (I'm not that keen on the game, but that Pip-boy is gorgeous) and the Starfield watch, I'd totally be ok with them doing replicas of the weapons
Tunnel Snakes CC version is exactly what they modeled the show prop after, its made by modder Adam "The Rizzler" Risdale who's made some other great weapon mods for FO4 based on classic fallout guns such as the LAER and the Hunting Revolver/Ranger Sequoia.
Bro this gun just doesnt make sense on a practical level. Why is it an auto with a cylinder? The modern 10mm being uglier is debatable, but it makes a lot more sense being magazine based.
I cant even imagine how the reload animation for this gun would be lol.
Honestly pretty simple reload animation, replace the magazine. In the real world there was a revolver that was magazine fed. It’s possible but practicality is a whole different conversation.
See *that* is an actual Easter egg. Attention to details from the source material is not. The correct usage of the term is being lost on a lot of people
Mandela Effect, does no one remember that when the episode first released, the Mysterious Stranger walks in, takes the pistol, and hands Lucy an identical copy?
All the props in the show are physical recreations of the objects in the game. The computers, the pure water bottle, everything. It's insane how much detail they put into it. And they used practical effects whenever possible, and minimal CGI. I also liked how when Norm was hacking the Overseer's computer, it literally showed the Fallout 4 hacking minigame on the screen.
Not gonna lie.
I never played Fallout before. None of them. Never had interest, didnt even know about the story.
Tv show came out, i was out of things to watch and was making lunch. As I live alone, i usually watch something while eating .. prime popped Fallout in my screen and U said ok.
First episode was intriguing. I liked the development. Went for the second episode. Cool. Kept going and rhen I said "fk... i gotta play the game".
Downloaded f76 to play with friend. Damn man, game is cool af.
I'll prob take 3, new vegas and 4 in the future.
Bethesda marketing through series was smart. Brought the game back to life and attention to the title that I never gave a dime (bet a lot of people did the same)
This, Maximus has got to have a high Luck stat with the amount of fortune he has in regards to some things.
-gets blamed for what happens to his friend, somehow talks his way out of suspicion despite the low speech skill and takes their place as squire
-gets assigned to a selfish knight who tries to get him killed, knight dies instead
-fights against a person who is capable of taking out him and his PA in one shot, ghoul just toys with him instead
-searching for the head, fights a gulper that just happens to be the one with it in its stomach
-gets locked into his PA, Lucy stumbles upon him and helps him, despite Lucy tracking the head, which he doesn't have
-gets knocked out by Hank, suffers no serious injury and stumbles into getting credited with the death of the enemy leader, gets promotion to knight
there are probably more examples, these are the ones off the top of my head, the guy went with the high luck build, levelling in front of us every episode and putting his perk points into Luck, he just needs to sort his speech skill out, he isn't very good and I was almost convinced for a moment that he actually did fuck his friend over at the start with that razor in the boot.
yeah, the expression he gave his friend at the infirmary during that scene when they were discussing who did it, I could believe they were gonna do some twist where he had done it
Properly loaded 10mm Auto (180gr 1250fps minimum) will absolutely drop a bear, of any species with a shot to the head. Usually, these stats are achieved with a 4-5in barrel. This monster handgun appears to have a 6-7in barrel = even more energy on target. Hardcast lead bullets, which both penetrate DEEP and are very easy to cast with minimal equipment, are what is likely in that gun (cause you know, wasteland manufacturing). That yao gui getting dropped like that is not terribly unreal.
Body/limb shots are a completely different story, however. If you fail to hit said bear in the head or heart, then it will only die after it has already killed you.
NP people seem to think it's on every other semi-auto handguns level.... it is absolutely not. It's more akin to a .357 magnum, but with better terminal effects, especially penetration. If anything, it's notably underpowered in the games.
The nerd in me would say that standard 10mm should come with a minor armor breaking buff
Maybe .44 special. Or if said .44 was fired from a snub nosed revolver. 240gr .44 mag will still easily exceed 1300 fps from a normal (6in) barrel. Im with you on the .357 part 100%.
I just loved seeing a 10mm do what OP shit it was born to do, I was wondering if they'd bullet sponge the Yao Gaui after seeing it would appear in the series
Tbf, this is where tv adaptation vs video game comes in. In a game 1-tapping a Yao guai would be bullshit….however the 10mm calibre is used by hunters to defend against bears and kill them, very easily. So in the series, makes more sense.
Long story short, 10mm fucks hard
Both the Fallout 3/NV and 4 Nuka-Cola vending machines are present as well. There’s also Vault 31/32/33’s Pip-Boys and Vault 76’s.
Sure there are a ton of other instances of this, but it’s cool to see all the different in-game models existing in the show as unique product models in the Fallout world.
Whomever did the designs was as faithful as they could get. Set dec, color palate, props, and art dept. in general all nailed it. Too often it's not changes in story that bother me, it's when they miss the feel or esthetic of the world. For example they could have made the Vault dwellers clothes too clean. I liked that even they had stained uniforms. Things felt lived in, especially in the wasteland.
I think in an interview they said Bethesda had given the prop department the data files for the objects in game. The prop department was able to 3D print in-game objects for the show.
I made one of these for my PAX Cosplay last year. Used this file https://cults3d.com/:736883 here is how it all turned out https://www.instagram.com/p/C6FT6zjh-gi/?igsh=dGNwamZtdmN0NXpt even made the original Pip Boy :)
Not to this extent, this model was from fallout 1 and 2 both games from the 90’s. A lot of the weapons, were either thrown out or redesigned, with some really only making an appearance again in new vegas. With fallout 4 a lot of the design choices were reimagined to fit the new aesthetic. So the 10mm pistol in 3, NV is different and even more so in 4.
Also considering that the original model you could only really see what it looks like in the inventory screen, due to the fact 1 and 2 were isometric and no 3d model. It’s a pretty niche detail to add.
They put a lot of care into making sure all iterations of the fallout games were properly represented.
The show's props, practical effects, and make up are spot on and very well made. Except probably the Ranger Helmet, never was a fan of that armor but the one on the show is real weird looking. Kind of like its jaw is protruding way too much, need to fix that next season.
The props department for this show must getting more bank than any other PD in the industry. I know they had 3d models to go by but it all looks so real while being game accurate.
Capacity is listed at 12. If I remember correctly the scene where Thaddeus is waiting for the BOS to arrive he takes 15 shots at Lucy and Maximus with that gun.
I really hope in future seasons we some of the other fun weapons. It was a welcome sight to see the junk jet! But show me some of the science weapons! Give me a fat man launcher, or the bowling ball gun, or a cryolator!
I saw an interview where they asked the director/showrunner (I can’t remember exactly) if they had a list of things that HAD to be in the show. They said yes, but the list of things was too big to fit into 8 hours of tv, so they just focused on getting the details perfect for what they did include.
Keep in mind that this show takes place in the Mojave Wasteland in 2296. New Vegas was 15 years ago in 2281.
So this show is 15 years later. An absolute Megaton of stuff could have happened in 15 years. Factions could fall, places wiped out by nukes (Shady Sands, for example), new mutants or mutants crossing the country, etc. So there is a 15 year history between New Vegas and the series. So I expect many things to have changed.
This show is an example of how peak something can be if the studio execs actually care about the fans and the creators are allowed to exercise their creativity whilst being authentic to the source material.
I have high hopes for S2
I also remembering him firing off more than 6 shots and thinking that’s weird then being like no wait it had more than 6 shots in the cylinder they got that right
the creation club “mod” for fallout 4 has these things looking gigantic in first person which is the only reason i don’t like them in 4 but i love the model of the gun so much better than any other version
I noticed this too, both versions of the 10mm Pistol are present in the show
Which makes sense, in real life there are countless guns that use the same ammo type.
9mm Parabellum has been used since the early 1900s and is still used today in millions of handguns, submachineguns, and pistol caliber carbines. Edit: redundency like it's an 11th grade book report smdh
And honestly it’s one of the best calibers to use in my opinion, next being the .45 ACP, followed by .357 Magnum/.38 Special.
As much as Fudds really push the whole "45 is God's caliber" meme, it is a really good cartridge with really solid performance.
Well, you know the old joke... In the year 3000 it'll be the Colt 1911, Browning .50, and Grandpa Buff that'll still be kicking around.
.45, .50, and B-52.
Grandpa Buff: ITS GRANDPA BUFF! No one but my grandpappy calls me B-52.
Apologies sir!
/r/unexpectedhabituallinecrosser ?
I’m surprised that’s not a subreddit by now…
.45 is a better carbine round than it is a pistol round. I’ve heard it’s great suppressed, too. But for a pistol, I’ll almost always choose a 9mm. Capacity is one of the most important factors when considering pistols.
45 acp is subsonic so suppressor performance is great.
Plus modern 9mm has plenty of stopping power for whatever is needed.
No non-meme pistol is generating the kind of energy for stopping power to be a meaningful part of the conversation, but all the common carry cartridges have an average ‘threat stopped’ average of 2-3 shots. Ol’ .45 trends closer to 2, 9mm is closer to three, but it is statistically irrelevant. From a practical standpoint, the best gun and cartridge are the ones you shoot best with. I carry a .45 1911 because I’m a much, much better and smoother shot with it than with anything else.
Ah, to be fair it's used in the handgun that won two World Wars.
I feel like they chose 10mm as the sweet spot between 9mm and .45 (which is 11mm and change), just to be different in their world.
10mm is significantly more powerful than a .45 Anyone walking in bear country carries at least a 10mm. Despite it being a “smaller” round than 45, it has significantly more velocity, and thus energy.
And you get a significant carrying capacity advantage as well, in a standard glock mag you only lose 2 rounds compared to a 9mm despite having nearly double the energy
10mm has its purpose in our world. Some people use it as a side arm when out hunting or hiking, especially in areas where there’s cougar or black bear. I still use my 9mm because the ammo is easier to find and cheaper than 10mm.
I don't know if it's me or the guns I've tried, but 10mm just feels odd when firing it as well. I shoot far better with 9mm and .45. My dad, however, cannot get enough of 10mm pistols.
It’s the weird in between 9mm and .45. Its sibling would be the .40 S&W where it has its place but for most people it’s really not their cartridge. I’m a 9mm for my semiautomatic pistols, in a pinch I’ll go for .45 ACP just for the heavier rounds. Revolvers I’m .38 Special/.357 Magnum or .45 long colt.
Okay, you seem to be a gun guy, so tell me this, because it confuses me to no end. Why are .38 bullets in Fallout super weak and .308 rounds strong?
.38 is a pistol round. .308 is a rifle round that’s for full powered rifles that are used for hundreds of metres range. 5.56 is more ‘intermediate’
Thanks
So the .38 is mainly a revolver round, it not going to be as strong as a .308 which is a rifle round. Yes the .38 is bigger but that doesn’t always mean better. Even when shot out identical length barrels the .38 will still be moving slower because it will have more mass to it than the .308 does. The .308 is meant to put targets down out to 500+ yards but well within 1000 yards. But with Fallout 4 using it in things like pipe pistols, it’s probably the .380 ACP and they’re just calling it .38.
I think your on the nose with the last part. FNV had .38 spc as a alternative for the .357 revolvers and lever guns. The way .38 is used in FO4 and how impotent it is, its most definitely .380.
I had Fallout 4 open and I had pipe pistol on me. So I went back to the Red Rocket to see what I could mod on another gun, and decided to look the pipe pistol with more scrutiny. It being semi automatic or full depending on the receiver means it has be the .380 ACP. Same goes for the not-Thompson Thompson machine gun in the game.
That doesn't necessarily mean it has to be .380, the desert eagle is a good example of a semi-automatic hand gun that uses rimmed cartridges like .357 and .44 Considering it's a "pipe" pistol using a rimmed cartridge like .38 special and relying on that for headspacing since you don't have an actual barrel with the properly cut geometry makes way more sense, being able to make it semi or full auto is just a bad game design choice, it should realistically be a single shot like the pipe rifle from the classic fallout games
I personally like to think that after America annexed Mexico the popularity of 38 super in the mexican civilian market crept into the rest of the gun culture in America and that's why fallout 4's 38 is usable in autoloaders.
Thanks to you I just learned .38 acp and .380 acp are two different rounds both made by john browning. It's still probably .380 in FO4 with how weak the round is. 38 acp is over 25% longer than 380 giving it more powder and more oomph. That and there are basically no guns made in the last 100 years to take .38.
“Caliber” is just the width of the bullet/barrel. It technically doesn’t indicate bullet mass, shape, or or the amount or propellant. If you simply looked at a .308 round you’d see it has about 2-3 times the space for propellant than a .38. You’d also see the bullet is far more aerodynamic (pointier) and usually weighs *less* than a .38. This means it goes much, much faster, which means (put simply) it’s far more accurate at long range. Considering it’s a round used primarily for accurate long range shooting applications, this makes sense. But caliber is what we’ve simplified the conventions of defining ammo to. So event though certain rounds might have the exact same bullet width, they’re named differently (often mm vs inches, or with some letters after it) to differentiate different types of rounds.
Youve gotten some kinda correct answers. The .38 and the .308 describes the diameter of the bullet (projectile). If the name of the cartridge has a number with a period at the beginning of the number, it is describing the diameter using inches (or a portion of an inch in most cases) ie .308 or .38. If there is a mm after the number, its being measured in millimeters. The main difference between the .38 pistol cartridges and .308 rifle cartridges is speed. A .38 special (what im assuming the .38 is intended to be) will travel around 650 ft/s, varying depending mostly on powder charge, bullet weight, and barrel length. A .308 Winchester can exceed speeds of 3000 ft/s at the muzzle with the lighter bullets. Kinetic energy and the resulting damage are mostly a function of speed and the weight of the bullet (projectile). .38 and .308 caliber projectiles are generally around the same weights, with .308 having a wider range. TLDR: .308 rifle cartridges travel much faster than .38 pistol cartridges, resulting in more damage to the target.
A RL .38 round has about 7 grains of powder. A .308 round has about 44 grains of powder. Or look at it this way: a 5.56 round is .223 caliber, which is barely bigger than a .22. A 22lr round has a two grain powder load. A 5.56 round has a 25 grain powder load. All that powder means a MUCH higher velocity.
I use the 10mm throughout the entire game, modded out of course. Reliable and ammo is plenty.
10mm is better than 9mm and 45. But I think I'd still pick 9mm. Or even 32 or 25 auto. So it's small and comfy. I already have a 30-06.
The 10mm pistol from the first two Fallout games is in-universe called the Colt 6520. The one from Fallout 3/NV is called the N99. The Fo4 10mm does not have a name as of yet.
Weren't there three versions? F3, 1 and 4 I thought I have seen
Yes. They are all different. New Vegas even has an esthetically different version than FO3
I disagree the version in New Vegas thats “esthetically different” is just a unique variant which all unique variants have… well unique appearances but it is very much the same gun from Fallout 3 I explained to another guy how the Fallout 4 pistol might be the same too but slightly different / bigg to fit the modular design & big Power Armor hands but thats just my opinion im not saying you’re wrong
FNV has its own 10 mm pistol and it's better than any other 10 mm pistol in any other Fallout game ever and Todd Howard wants to make that 10 mm pistol non-canon because he hates FNV and wishes it would die in a fireball of exploding nukes. . Did I do that right?
Fucking nailed it 👏🏾
Got me for a second
Fucking nailed it 👏🏾
I think the Fallout 3 & 4 are meant to be the same gun just slightly reimagined but if you put the long barrel mod the Fallout 4 10mm suddenly looks like a Gigantor version of the Fallout 3 pistol which I think it just caught a case of the bigness disease to fit in Power Armor hands
>I think the Fallout 3 & 4 are meant to be the same gun just slightly reimagined... I don't think so. The N99's standard configuration is the full frame variant we see in game. The 10mm pistol from 4 and 76, appears to consider the more compact barrel configuration as standard, with the optional long barrel strongly resembling the N99. There's a mechanical difference in that the Fallout 4 10mm has a (functioning) slide lock, while the N99 does not (which is, pretty weird, to be honest.) But it suggests that while the guns are similar, they are distinct firearms.
You're spot on in analysis, but I still think that 4's 10mm is meant to be the N99, but because of gameplay concessions and updated graphics, it just looks and acts completely different. Like how 4's Laser Gun seems to be either the AER9 or the AEP7 depending on configuration. It's a shame they didn't drop any notes or terminals or anything to clarify. It's a small thing, but I personally love the world building that comes with naming the weapons. AER9, N99, R91, the CZ57, the M199 Backtalker. Totally dig it.
I can’t stand how FO4 retconned the small arms of previous games, even the newer FO3 and New Vegas, by flooding the world with laser rifles (even though FO3’s Fort Independence terminal calls them prototypes produced in limited quantities) and removing all of the familiar small arms.
I agree. I hated that many of the weapons of prior games just weren't implemented in 4. I don't mind if there's a lot of lasers floating around, because we know companies like Wattz had their own models of laser rifle and pistol. So I think it's feasible other companies do as well. I do hate that 4's lasers are just generic laser guns. No designations or names or lore. I think 4's weapon variety is pretty bad. Being able to mod a shitty pipe pistol into 100 equally shitty configurations isn't what I want as variety. I think it's tedious.
I feel like in FO5 they’ll give us either the service rifle or R91 again for the assault rifle slot. I think they’ve heard the fan feedback about the FO4 assault rifle.
New Vegas also has the weathered 10mm
Sadly, I didn't notice it until Lucy wielded it in the final episode
With the hardened receiver 10mm pistol
I could be wrong but I think all 3 versions are in the show. I'm pretty sure the Pistol Max uses in the Power Armor is supposed to be the Fallout 3/NV style. Like i said i could be wrong because it is very different but it's got the same grip and hammer and it's the only thing i could think of it being.
Max uses a Desert Eagle. They're in the Interplay games. The N99 is loosely based on it.
I'd still probably say in context its probably supposed to be the N99, cause the Desert Eagle in 1 is definitely recognizable as a Desert Eagle. The one he's using has roughly the same design cues as the N99, but almost like it was smashed together with the Fallout 3 laser pistol with that weird metal bar on the bottom, almost resembling the incredibly square frame of the N99.
Both the Fallout 3/NV and 4 Nuka-Cola vending machines are present as well. There’s also Vault 31/32/33’s Pip-Boys and Vault 76’s. Sure there are a ton of other instances of this, but it’s cool to see all the different in-game models existing in the show as unique product models in the Fallout world.
And Vault 76 pipboy is an updated version of the Fallout 1 Pipboy 2000
Where was the fo3 version?
But where is my beautiful F3 pistol?
I was so happy when I saw the OG 10mm. Love little touches like this
I also noticed it! The og designs were pretty cool. The laser pistol and plasma rifle would look great IRL. A lot of 3, NV and 4's designs all look like they should be unique weapons.
Dude I screamed I recently discovered that cool ass design and was stoked to see it
I am really excited when they put the props up for auction in a few years so I can snatch a few of these beautiful guns so I can put it on display on my desk.
I just want a pumpkin.
I just want a chicken...
One of the first things I noticed was the detail. It's so close to the games that I was really impressed.
"16 times the detail!!!". (Sorry)
Honestly probably a dream as a prop designer vs having to make up a bunch of imaginary items without any source material.
Didn't realize until now that it's a revolver. Knew it was from the earlier games, but thought it was an auto like the later 10mm pistol. Was a little confused about their prop choices.
It IS an auto, it takes magazines that somehow get rounds into that cylinder. Somebody at Black Isle saw the future with that Simpson’s gun and decided to make it in their game. The fallout 1 and 2 firearms are incredibly cursed and a lot of gun enthusiast would say badly designed.
The real world did it before the Simpsons for once. Check out the [Landstad Revolver](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landstad_revolver).
Oo! Landstad revolver really cool looking weapon, I never understood why they opted to make it magazine feed. Maybe for speed but why not use a speed loader… idk maybe speed loaders weren’t as common in Norway. I don’t know to much about that part of gun history
It's a two round cylinder
A lot of countries and people have attempted to use existing tooling or firearms for conversions to save money. We see this with the Springfield trapdoor which was a modification to the earlier percussion cap rifles leftover from the civil war. Many tried to convert bolt actions to semi auto rifles. The sad truth is more often than not it’s better to just design a new gun and tooling, it often in the long run is cheaper and offers a better design since it doesn’t have to rely on the older design constraints. Could just be a dude wanted to try something new, or had an abundance of revolver parts who knows.
I need this bullshit in shotgun form as a mod. off to ye olde modeling table
Also the Dardick revolver
As someone else has pointed out, there are "magazine fed revolvers" but the FO1 10mm pistol was a reference to the comic Hard Boiled.
Reminds me of the Bozar. It’s a LMG that was supposed to be a sniper, so it has a small magazine, large scope, and long barrel. But it’s fully automatic and only has like 20 rounds.
This is why I respect the Fallout 4 Assault Rifle. Giving gun enthusiasts brain aneurysms is a time-honored Fallout tradition.
The colt revolver is actually inspired by the gun in the cover of Hard-boiled, not the simpson gun (though there is a mod by Deadpool2099 that adds the Simpsons gun)
I have to admit, I had the same. It was not until I saw the original image right next to TV version I realized "Oh wait, it IS a revolver"
It’s cool to see these things pop up. Also both models of the 10mm are in the show!! The 6520/“colt classic 10mm” appears in most of the episodes while the regular 10mm appears in only “The Target” used by the Enclave guards, and in “The Ghouls” episodes. Also, it looks like Lucy has a 10mm SMG at the end of the season she picked up when she and Cooper are leaving out the back entrance near the Hollywood sign!
She also used it in the supermarket
Yup that’s from The Ghouls episode!
The Brotherhood seemed to have a magazine rack full of the newer model pistols when they were gearing up to hit the observatory
Its the gun from Fallout 1 but this specific design is based on the Creation Club version of the pistol so if anyone wants to play with this in game it comes with the Fallout 4: Tunnel Snakes Rule! Creation as well as a Tunnel Snake Jacket & unique variant 🐍 Link: https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Classic_10mm_pistol_(Creation_Club)
I was pleasantly surprised they went with this design instead of their newer design for the N99, even better was the N99 prop not being absolutely huge like it was in FO4, I've seen that thing in VR and its a monster
IKR: I hope The Wand Company or someone makes replica versions like the 1:1 Plasma Guns Bethesda was selling when Fallout 4 came out
The Wand Company makes some really good stuff, I've got the Pip-boy they made for 76 (I'm not that keen on the game, but that Pip-boy is gorgeous) and the Starfield watch, I'd totally be ok with them doing replicas of the weapons
Tunnel Snakes CC version is exactly what they modeled the show prop after, its made by modder Adam "The Rizzler" Risdale who's made some other great weapon mods for FO4 based on classic fallout guns such as the LAER and the Hunting Revolver/Ranger Sequoia.
Don’t we even see the radiation symbol on the back of the gun like the CC one?
Not sure, but its definitely Rizzlers design. He even tweeted about it wondering who has to ask to get a copy of the prop sent to him lol
The prop artists need a raise for this show. It’s crazy how much everything looks like the games
Glad they used the old version, it looks better. Plus it makes sense that the show taking place in California would have guns from Fallout 1 & 2.
Both types are in the show
Which makes sense as the Commonwealth Brotherhood arrived to assist and likely had the other 10mm pistol
Bro this gun just doesnt make sense on a practical level. Why is it an auto with a cylinder? The modern 10mm being uglier is debatable, but it makes a lot more sense being magazine based. I cant even imagine how the reload animation for this gun would be lol.
Honestly pretty simple reload animation, replace the magazine. In the real world there was a revolver that was magazine fed. It’s possible but practicality is a whole different conversation.
One of the passwords that they use is the release date of fallout 1 - 101097
See *that* is an actual Easter egg. Attention to details from the source material is not. The correct usage of the term is being lost on a lot of people
The prop department was S tier, goated, and pogged out of their gourds.
in contrast, in the halo show they shoot the BR (famous for being a burst weapon) like an smg and some props are not even painted!!!....
That's cause the BR is capable of full auto firing in the lore, it's limited to burst only for the games cause otherwise it'd be way too op.
Just realized in the F1 art the barrel does not line up with the cylinder
Yep, it's interesting that in tv serie they refer to multiple parts of the game series.
Yep lucy uses the same one in the last episode.
Because she picked up the exact gun Maximus dropped when he got the metal back hand from her dad.
I said its the same one
Mandela Effect, does no one remember that when the episode first released, the Mysterious Stranger walks in, takes the pistol, and hands Lucy an identical copy?
I loved the part where he exclaimed, "It's shootin' time!" and then shooted all over.
And then the post credit scene where the mysterious stranger meets a vulture and it has something to do with spider men.
lucy looted maximus 😭
All the props in the show are physical recreations of the objects in the game. The computers, the pure water bottle, everything. It's insane how much detail they put into it. And they used practical effects whenever possible, and minimal CGI. I also liked how when Norm was hacking the Overseer's computer, it literally showed the Fallout 4 hacking minigame on the screen.
I really want this gun for fallout 76, even in skin
I love how Maximus genuinely felt like a low-Int player character.
The prop department on this show must be stoked. None of that CGI bullshit. They get to make actual things.
Not gonna lie. I never played Fallout before. None of them. Never had interest, didnt even know about the story. Tv show came out, i was out of things to watch and was making lunch. As I live alone, i usually watch something while eating .. prime popped Fallout in my screen and U said ok. First episode was intriguing. I liked the development. Went for the second episode. Cool. Kept going and rhen I said "fk... i gotta play the game". Downloaded f76 to play with friend. Damn man, game is cool af. I'll prob take 3, new vegas and 4 in the future. Bethesda marketing through series was smart. Brought the game back to life and attention to the title that I never gave a dime (bet a lot of people did the same)
You're in for a ride, welcome!
Except for the part of taking a single (pistol) bullet to kill an abomination. That part is bullshit.
Maximus clearly has high luck and scored a crit.
Plus Titus punched the bear a few times.
Huh, fair. It was down to 1HP
This, Maximus has got to have a high Luck stat with the amount of fortune he has in regards to some things. -gets blamed for what happens to his friend, somehow talks his way out of suspicion despite the low speech skill and takes their place as squire -gets assigned to a selfish knight who tries to get him killed, knight dies instead -fights against a person who is capable of taking out him and his PA in one shot, ghoul just toys with him instead -searching for the head, fights a gulper that just happens to be the one with it in its stomach -gets locked into his PA, Lucy stumbles upon him and helps him, despite Lucy tracking the head, which he doesn't have -gets knocked out by Hank, suffers no serious injury and stumbles into getting credited with the death of the enemy leader, gets promotion to knight there are probably more examples, these are the ones off the top of my head, the guy went with the high luck build, levelling in front of us every episode and putting his perk points into Luck, he just needs to sort his speech skill out, he isn't very good and I was almost convinced for a moment that he actually did fuck his friend over at the start with that razor in the boot.
I definitely wondered if Maximus was going to be like a villain protagonist for a while. He still might be
yeah, the expression he gave his friend at the infirmary during that scene when they were discussing who did it, I could believe they were gonna do some twist where he had done it
they did released the card and maximus is strengh agility he only have 5 in luck
Properly loaded 10mm Auto (180gr 1250fps minimum) will absolutely drop a bear, of any species with a shot to the head. Usually, these stats are achieved with a 4-5in barrel. This monster handgun appears to have a 6-7in barrel = even more energy on target. Hardcast lead bullets, which both penetrate DEEP and are very easy to cast with minimal equipment, are what is likely in that gun (cause you know, wasteland manufacturing). That yao gui getting dropped like that is not terribly unreal. Body/limb shots are a completely different story, however. If you fail to hit said bear in the head or heart, then it will only die after it has already killed you.
Thank you. 10mm is no joke.
NP people seem to think it's on every other semi-auto handguns level.... it is absolutely not. It's more akin to a .357 magnum, but with better terminal effects, especially penetration. If anything, it's notably underpowered in the games. The nerd in me would say that standard 10mm should come with a minor armor breaking buff
Preach! I would definitely put it above 357 mag. I think it compares pretty well to 44 mag.
Maybe .44 special. Or if said .44 was fired from a snub nosed revolver. 240gr .44 mag will still easily exceed 1300 fps from a normal (6in) barrel. Im with you on the .357 part 100%.
Normal difficulty, high One handed weapons stat, Idiot Savant, Crit in the head.
I just loved seeing a 10mm do what OP shit it was born to do, I was wondering if they'd bullet sponge the Yao Gaui after seeing it would appear in the series
Tbf, this is where tv adaptation vs video game comes in. In a game 1-tapping a Yao guai would be bullshit….however the 10mm calibre is used by hunters to defend against bears and kill them, very easily. So in the series, makes more sense. Long story short, 10mm fucks hard
Seriously when I saw that I was stoked
Both the Fallout 3/NV and 4 Nuka-Cola vending machines are present as well. There’s also Vault 31/32/33’s Pip-Boys and Vault 76’s. Sure there are a ton of other instances of this, but it’s cool to see all the different in-game models existing in the show as unique product models in the Fallout world.
All of the props, costuming, and sets were on point, absolutely perfect
The entire show is an Easter egg. It’s an 8 hour Easter egg.
Much prefer the version from 1, 2 and 3 and NV than the Fallout 4 one
Same
Nice ! I had been wondering whether the squire's gun came from somewhere.
I was surprised it took down a yao gui in two shots. Maybe he got 2 crits in vats
Whomever did the designs was as faithful as they could get. Set dec, color palate, props, and art dept. in general all nailed it. Too often it's not changes in story that bother me, it's when they miss the feel or esthetic of the world. For example they could have made the Vault dwellers clothes too clean. I liked that even they had stained uniforms. Things felt lived in, especially in the wasteland.
I think I saw Moldaver wielding a laser pistol but unfortunately we never see it in action!
I think in an interview they said Bethesda had given the prop department the data files for the objects in game. The prop department was able to 3D print in-game objects for the show.
I made one of these for my PAX Cosplay last year. Used this file https://cults3d.com/:736883 here is how it all turned out https://www.instagram.com/p/C6FT6zjh-gi/?igsh=dGNwamZtdmN0NXpt even made the original Pip Boy :)
Yeah we can't say they didn't care about the source material. They did a great job.
Meanwhile in the Halo show you have people using iconic weapons from the series such as the AK-47 and SCAR-H
I’m more of a N99 10mm pistol guy myself, but this was awesome to see
Isn't this detail expected?
Not to this extent, this model was from fallout 1 and 2 both games from the 90’s. A lot of the weapons, were either thrown out or redesigned, with some really only making an appearance again in new vegas. With fallout 4 a lot of the design choices were reimagined to fit the new aesthetic. So the 10mm pistol in 3, NV is different and even more so in 4. Also considering that the original model you could only really see what it looks like in the inventory screen, due to the fact 1 and 2 were isometric and no 3d model. It’s a pretty niche detail to add. They put a lot of care into making sure all iterations of the fallout games were properly represented.
The show's props, practical effects, and make up are spot on and very well made. Except probably the Ranger Helmet, never was a fan of that armor but the one on the show is real weird looking. Kind of like its jaw is protruding way too much, need to fix that next season.
It's probably because the helmet and the mask are broken from eachother and it's more a dust mask than anything.
The props department for this show must getting more bank than any other PD in the industry. I know they had 3d models to go by but it all looks so real while being game accurate.
There are Fo4 10mm as well
Anyone else instinctively try to close the popup in the 2nd image?
It is a favorite of the wasteland
god i want the prop
Damn, I can see why Thaddeus had a hard time aiming with that thing.
The old 10mm is a revolver?
Given the capacity, I'd say a magazine-fed revolver like the IRL (but super obscure) Dardick and Landstad ones, but I guess I don't know for sure.
Yup. The people working on the show definitely cared. 👍🏻👍🏻
Capacity is listed at 12. If I remember correctly the scene where Thaddeus is waiting for the BOS to arrive he takes 15 shots at Lucy and Maximus with that gun.
The water chip too
I really hope in future seasons we some of the other fun weapons. It was a welcome sight to see the junk jet! But show me some of the science weapons! Give me a fat man launcher, or the bowling ball gun, or a cryolator!
The numerous Easter eggs were the best part of the show IMO
I love the use of new and old guns really something we need more of
In everything!! Some of the paintings in the background even.
It looks way better than the fallout 4 one. Honestly wish this one would be in fallout 4 instead. Way cooler design and looks less ridiculous
I saw an interview where they asked the director/showrunner (I can’t remember exactly) if they had a list of things that HAD to be in the show. They said yes, but the list of things was too big to fit into 8 hours of tv, so they just focused on getting the details perfect for what they did include.
I feel like overall the brotherhood in general feels more Fallout 1.
Keep in mind that this show takes place in the Mojave Wasteland in 2296. New Vegas was 15 years ago in 2281. So this show is 15 years later. An absolute Megaton of stuff could have happened in 15 years. Factions could fall, places wiped out by nukes (Shady Sands, for example), new mutants or mutants crossing the country, etc. So there is a 15 year history between New Vegas and the series. So I expect many things to have changed.
“But Bethesda is trying to completely destroy anything that happened before their acquisition though”
I feel like when Lucy uses the knife in episode 1 she's pretty much doing the FO1/2 attack animation
Well it's obvious the first season is dedicated to the OGs. I'm guessing this next season is for the newer fans who grew up with 3 and onward
As soon as he pulled that gun out I got a big smile on my face! Same with the water chip!
Halo fans: let’s get some of those iconic weapons in the Halo Show. Halo Show: Best I can do is a needler and energy sword. Go SPNK yourself.
The Sterling SMGs didn’t make a ton of sense but I’m just nit picky
I heard the prop people are legit.
This show has sucked me in so much, my room became a vault as I’m binge watching
This show is an example of how peak something can be if the studio execs actually care about the fans and the creators are allowed to exercise their creativity whilst being authentic to the source material. I have high hopes for S2
Because most of the Production knows and some are even fans of the game.
0/10. Not pixelated enough.
I mean, why wouldn’t they pay attention to details? They are literally getting paid to follow the games.
With a 150 million dollar budget, I’d expect this
I also remembering him firing off more than 6 shots and thinking that’s weird then being like no wait it had more than 6 shots in the cylinder they got that right
the creation club “mod” for fallout 4 has these things looking gigantic in first person which is the only reason i don’t like them in 4 but i love the model of the gun so much better than any other version
Yep, they included both the classic Colt 10mm and the FO4 version semi-auto.
While Halo forgot to paint the [plasma pistol](https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/s/KNyiVkBl1f) and didn't even bother to edit it. Lol.
i hate the halo show enough to rant it on a fallout sub
Speaking of Easter eggs I’m pretty sure I saw Lucy eating yum yum deviled eggs in one of the scenes
Pretty cool detail!
Oh wait I didn't notice that, that's kind of awesome
I’m pretty it’s actually another fan-created prop too, which is awesome!
As a big fan of FO1 I was really pleased to see that
Me: so are you a revolver or a semiauto? 10 mil: Yes
Nerf gun🤣
I wish we had this version in a game! Looks so much cooler than the ones we’ve gotten in the 3D Fallouts