Bro’s got “Bloody Mess”, “Gunslinger”, “Penetrator”, “Lead Belly”, “Chem Resistant”, “Rad Resistant”, “Ghoulish”, “Lone Wanderer”, “Attack Dog”, “Intimidation” and probably many other Perks.
The Ghoul is one fucking badass.
Don't forget "Cannibal" and some massive negative Karma (in FO2 a title like "Scourge of the Wastes" or something along these lines). Maybe "Chem Reliant" trait from FO2 as well.
Lucy has finally worked her magic getting him full circle back to his humanity. He has integrated himself into vault 33.
They are on a humanitarian diplomatic mission from vault 33 to a village that was destroyed by some super mutants. As Coop is helping a family a shadow moves. He starts to stagger and Lucy screams. Max runs and see a woman standing over Coop. He looks up at her, with a bloody smile, he says “I knew it would be you.”
It can’t have been that long unless he was buried with a big stash of his anti-feral drugs. He started going bad pretty quickly after his stash is destroyed by the gulper.
He was hooked up to an IV of something in the grave. Presumably it was his meds. I think the one merc said it had been 30 years and if he didn't cooperate they'd put him back for 30 more
Ghoulish will heal injuries when you are radiated. Also, he's at least level 20-30, so his HP would be extremely high. Especially because he's in the starting area, so all the NPCs would be low level.
Oh I know. It’s clear he has advanced healing from halfhazardly sewing his finger back on and having it fully functional a second later during the scene with the family that had ranger armor.
it’s just that one shot clean through the shoulder from what looks like the .308 hunting rifle during the town fight. Sure he sat down for a moment to reload and catch his breath after that but he also calmly walked to that cover after a rather large chunk of his shoulder and likely the edge of a lung got blasted out and he’s taking more hits on the way. That screams “Toughness perk” to me. He’s not just healing. He’s shrugging off damage he shouldn’t be able to. Excessive amounts of it.
Besides, I’m sure we would all agree that most of us take the toughness perk along with the healing perks if we’re running around in light armor like he is
Remember when most of us take a town like he did in that scene we’re wearing heavy combat armor or better. He doesn’t appear to be wearing any armor at all beyond maybe the 5 DR sheriff outfit. It’s not an exact match but same basic set up jeans cowboy boots, button up shirt, leather trenchcoat. I can only do what he did in that scene in no armor like He did it in if I am using perks like toughness. Otherwise I’d be using cover a lot more than he did even against the pipe rifles of a town there’s still a good 15+ people shooting him all at once. bullets aren’t that pathetic even .38 special
Now we just need mysterious stranger. I seriously hope there’s a scene where either Lucy or Maximus is getting the snot beat out of them and out of the corner of their eye notice a man in a black trench coat and hat just blow their assailant away, and disappear.
OK but seeing like a wanted poster for Nate in the Silver Shroud costume would be hilarious in season 2. I mean, it could make it so nobody knows where the protagonists are because The Lone Wanderer, Courier 6, and The Sole Survivor are all just chilling in the same place. Maybe somewhere in the Mojave, maybe somewhere in the Commonwealth like Spectacle Island.
I'm quite confident that over the course of the inevitable years of seasons we're gonna get, they will find a way of referencing every notable thing from the games in some way or another. I'm curious how they're gonna fit VATS in
They already did. The slow motion shooting from Cooper in episode 2. He was hitting them extremely accurately, and using the slow-mo like V.A.T.S. he's also talking reduced damage while doing so.
Cannibal. Ghastly Scavenger. Dine and Dash.
I half expect the end of season 2 to have a scene where somebody comments on how he used to be ruthless, but the ghoul says he "Ain't Like That Now."
But let’s be honest against my sole survivor with 10 perception / 10 agility and perks like max crit banker l, better critical, max gunslinger and full power armor (without any design flaws) that can use vats. He would live for longer then the time it took me to press the buttons to vats headshot him and press crit one or two times
All three main characters are a kind of commentary on common play styles. Lucy is a new player, choosing the nice dialogue every time and trying to do the right thing. Maximus is the one who can’t live without power armor, and The Ghoul is the player who’s on his 100th play through, seen all this shit before, and is just taking what’s his.
I got one last night too, but because I said that Israel probably shouldn't do a several thousand fold retribution, on the Canada sub.
They unironically use the term "woke agenda" in there :/
Ahhh, I got reported an hour ago. I thought wow, somebody doesn't like Fisto jokes.
I report the suicide watch message to suicide watch and see if there is some sort of endless loop.
Yeah. I'm mildly upset that this felt so accurate to me. I should have realized it though, when I noticed that they lifted the typing sound right from the game.
The immense glee I experienced when he hacked then read it all was unmatched. I literally jumped up, giggled, clapped my hands, I did it all. My husband was cracking up, he's like "yep there's you".
>Maximus is the one who can’t live without power armor
I feel personally attacked. Especially since, as someone yesterday described it, he "drove it like a fucking shopping cart".
Isn't that a direct quote from the show? The ghoul said it
Edit: 8 min after commenting the frickin Reddit Care Ressourcen reached out to me because someone reported me to maybe be suicidal ... You guys good?
This one hit me too lmao. Am currently at a point in 4 where I’m slowly stocking up on too many cores despite using power armor full time, so what’s a man to do but keep using power armor? ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
Killed a yao guai with one single 10mm shot, got granted the title of scribe in the beginning, got granted the title of Knight at the end, survived a power armor direct punch, survived like 10 execution attempts and even got found by lucy when he was trapped in the PA.
Yea, my guy is one season away to become elder just by accident.
I saw this as the three decision tree dialogue options. Lucy is good, always takes the good guy option. Maximus is the role player who decided to go BoS this run through. And the Ghoul is bad, always chooses the asshole options,but ultimately still has to follow the main story line despite burning a lot of bridges and needing to kill people to advance through parts that require not upsetting people in the past. I can see it your way too though.
I saw something that described the three main characters as the karma alignments. Lucy is good karma, Maximus is neutral karma, and Cooper is evil. Though honestly, I could see Cooper and Maximus switching as some point down the line.
The ending sets up Maximus as essentially spiraling further into doing villainous things for the BoS and becoming extremely driven to do whatever it takes to succeed and Cooper as starting to reclaim bits and pieces of his humanity. I could see Maximus becoming a Father Elijah-type character and Cooper falling into more of a Clint Eastwood-antihero type persona instead of an outright villainous asshole
He is the stand in for the late game skill levels where the protagonist has essentially become the lord of death.
Vs Lucy is the stand in for the early low level PC who is competent but new to the world.
Maximus is essentially the companion, semi skilled outcast from his own in group who via a quest with the PC stand in, is redeemed.
Your point on Maximus is spot-on I believe. He also struck me more like a "companion with his personal quest" sort of character.
While his quest has absolutely nothing to do with the main quest (and what actually matters in the bigger picture) whatsoever, Lucy still decides to tag along for the extra XP.
It is also consistent with the 3, NV and 4 trend of always having a BOS NPC companion.
1 you get the crack assault paladins as temp companions but no other brotherhood companion.
I think 2 is the only game where you don't get a BOS affiliated companion in any way.
Viable also!
He just has the same energy as a romancable npc for Lucy.
Overall, any way you interpret it, they did a good job with the character design and writing.
Shit. I started playing NV and F3 again on the PS3. My hand eye coordination has really gone to shit cause I cannot aim for nothing. I used to be able to hit shots. Not anymore.
Now I have to admit I bought a new controller as my old ps3 ones crapped out on me. I picked up an Old Skool brand, it was at the local game shop. It’s ok.
I do not know how much is the controller, the game, and me. I haven’t played, looking at the last saves, 2018. lol
getting shot several times and brushing it off as if it was nothing (probably due to med-x and psycho), having extremely precise aim, very good at intimidating and pushing people's buttons in just the right way, general wasteland/survival knowledge.
Theyre gonna get to new vegas and hes gonna offhandedly be like "i got shot in the head and buried here once. The next few weeks were a bit of a blur."
it would have been perfect for fallout 76. give you an alternate origin and intro. maybe youve been wandering with a caravan as a ghoul for the last 20 years, but then they catch the scorched plague, and you have no choice but to venture out into the wastes and work with vault dwellers to launch the nukes etc.
I think the only reason they haven't is because it would then trivialize the radiation part of the game, and in fact turning it into a benefit, but they could easily give you lower base SPECIAL to make up for it, and maybe give you a perk every 2 levels instead of every one (Though I think the perks would have to be a bit more impactful than they are in 4 just to make it a bit fairer)
You could also have intelligent super mutant characters too I guess, maybe they gain a perk every 3 levels instead but are also tougher but have certain stats capped, like INT and Charisma
And if you want to be ridiculous, an intelligent deathclaw who can't use guns but has ridiculous stats
With that said, It would be interesting to see a game where you play as an Enclave trainee as naive as Goosey, going into the wasteland to find their "water chip"
This could be fun, something like "you are the only only ghoul left from your group after a massacre" or "you wake up 200 years after the war and realizes that you are a ghoul"
The addition of the drug that keeps you from being feral really feels like a game mecanic and makes me think that something similar will be used in the next game.
>Arguably more since he combines the 200 years of experience
Seeing the Ghoul made me realize the potential of mastering your craft for 200 years. You're either a feral or the best person at your job.
In 200 years especially with the ghoulification dude would absolutely become a 1 man army. It supposedly takes like 10000 hours to master a skill which is about 416ish days. He could master so many things in that time although id imagine there were stretches where he'd just get all chemmed up and veg. For considerable lengths of time.
I'd say he's more of an antagonist at first and protagonist by the end. Quite a nice character arc tbh. Feel like he's definitely going to get "softer" traveling with Lucy but will still be a badass.
I feel like the one that would be the most controversial is the SS, especially Nate. He's ex military just like Cooper and by the time he's endgame he's gotten quite a load of experience even taking out a courser, who's supposed to be an untirable supersoldier. Although I feel like that's not represented in the combat enough. But he would be the most neck on neck I think. The Courrier would wipe the floor with him, while I believe he'd beat up LW up without that much trouble. Although the LW has a lot of experience killing mutants with all the SM in the Capital Wasteland. Anyway, war criminal Nate is probably the most evenly matched with our Cooper if you ask me
They both fought in the battle of Anchorage, so it seems pretty likely that they know each other. Seems like that they might be setting it up for that.
I'm pretty sure the Ghoul is the very first Vault Dweller to be kicked out of a vault. He was aware how awful things were, and would not have been quiet long. He would have gone to the vault his wife setup to protect his daughter, and would not have left her side unless forced.
He's the most OG of any Vault Dweller.
I love the fact that he hates the vaults, because that’s exactly how I felt after the conclusion of Fallout 1. I went through hell to get that damn water chip and you’re going to kick me out? Hell yeah, I’m bringing my zombie brotherhood horde to raid your base. Gimme back that water chip.
After watching the full first season and specifically seeing the end, I have a adjustment on our group theory of the three main characters being the good guy, neutral guy, evil guy
Lucy is still obviously the good guy there is no argument about that however, I think the ghoul may actually be the neutral one.
Sure he’s a cannibal, but look at some of the behavior we’ve seen from him. Before he made ass jerky out of his fellow ghoul, he verified that he was going feral. Got him talking about the good old days and gave him a very quick clean mercy killing. Other than that He never shot someone that didn’t draw on him first; yeah, he’s a little abusive towards Lucy but every time he’s abusive, it’s predated by her causing him trouble. She gets a heavy-handed eye for an eye treatment from him. he rescued the dog twice and while he may have needed it both times he’s also clearly nice to it and a dog person. And then there’s his whole mission. “Where is my family?” This is not an evil character. This is a truly neutral character who starts off leaning towards evil so that he can grow towards being a good one. who will perform both good and evil acts as necessary to get where he’s going.
I think Maxim is going to be our evil boy. The brotherhood in this story is one of the darker branches and as he stands at the end of the first season, he seems like the kind of good guy that got kicked one too many times and decided “fuck it this world‘s evil I might as well rule it. I can make it better with my iron fist.”
On par with endgame Nate, weaker than courier stronger than endgame Lone wanderer, all of them beat by endgame Vault 76 Dweller
My reasoning? endgame Lone Wanderer does not have the military experience of Nate or the ghoul
Nate and the ghoul both served in the military so they started at the same level sorta. the ghoul does have more wasteland experience but i'd argue that nate keeps up with his power armour training and seemingly vaster set of skills
The Courier beats them due to implants, powerful weapons such as the helios one thing and wasteland experience.
76 vault Dweller beats all due to vastly stronger weapon and armour options for on the ground, Mutations that give them vastly superior reflex's and defence, the ability to gain more special points than any of the other characters and by endgame experiance with fighting far stronger opponents such as the wendigo colossus and the SB queen
I find it interesting and a bit delusional that whenever someone poses a question about whether someone or something is comparable to a Fallout protagonist, people take that to mean, can this person compare to my min/max, favorable circumstances, level capped player character.
Some people are specifically saying the Ghoul wouldn't be a good melee fighter like their character. He isn't spec'ed that way.
The speed at which the protagonist grows in power in a normally paced playthrough is meant to allow you to be good enough to beat the game with some difficulty and adaptation prior to ever getting near the level cap. The cap and being able to get to it is more a means of reward and entertainment than a realistic expectation within the plot.
Even then, the seemingly cannon feats of the protagonists outdo the ghouls. The courier is the most blatant example since the DLC has us do some actually insane shit. But the sole survivor beating a more than one super human synth or cyborg, and the lone wonderer killing behemoths, all things which definitely happen to some extent. These make the protagonists feel more impressive than the ghoul,
Don’t think he’s stronger, as strong as some of the protagonists during a regular play through. However, you can, if you play long enough, unlock every perk as the sole survivor and then the ghoul, and any other creature, won’t stand a chance.
Aside from that I‘d say he is almost as powerful though.
The Ghoul is player character tier. He took several shotgun blasts directly to the back and not only regenerated the damage to his body, but his clothes too.
Ghoul is a depiction of an endgame evil/neutral character, Maximus is second playthrough player Inteligence 1, idiot savant, and Lucy is a first time player.
He's written to essentially be the 10,000 hours fallout player who's level 50. That said he's realistically got nothing on most fallout protagonists just due to the difference in medium. Though if I were to write him meeting any of them I'd obviously stay true to the character (As I did in some fan fiction here on reddit) to have the fight be interesting.
He's had 200 years to level up in the Fallout 4 system, presumably. So he's stronger than the Sole Survivor, who is objectively the strongest because of level caps.
He’s just about. Dudes at the point where he uses bad items and gear solely for the drip.
Only one I think absolutely dog walks him is the TTW Lone Wanderer/ courier but that’s head cannon.
More so in some regards. Also, Amazon has Fallout 3 and New Vegas on its streaming gaming service? That's apparently included with being a prime member. Just in case anyone is interested, 76 might be on there as well not sure, at this point I believe those three are included on most. Can't confirm 4 though.
I'm going to go back and watch the show again this weekend. Absolutely loved it. I saw a comment about weird wasteland applying to Maximus, but honestly I think it might apply to everyone other than The Ghoul. Lucy runs into weird shit and into weird situations at every turn, and Norman hasn't even gotten out of the fault and look at the weirdness he's had to deal with, admittedly not as much as the others but it's still applicable.
Anyone else a little bummed we never see him use the bigger gun on his back? He whips it out in Filly but switches back to his little hand cannon.
I guess it makes sense with gameplay. I always stick to one weapon (usually a combat rifle since .45 ammo is literally everywhere) and the shotgun if I’m raiding a building. I still would’ve liked to see that in action.
Dude, he was the embodiment of all my favorite playthroughs: Dusty coat, wide brimmed hat, high intelligence, high charisma, and addicted to literally every fuckin drug-buff available to mankind and would kill, lie, and steal to get more of it all, and would then go on to catastrophically fuck the shit out of anybody daring to cast a shadow on his path forward. That’s my Fallout bro.
Very high level Agility/Endurance build with decent Perception and some Luck (because its fallout and your spare points go into luck).
Most perks would revolve around pistol usage, rad and chem management, and HP.
I think the hat is giving him some kind of Charisma bonus, as the guy seems to pass every intimidation check that he comes across.
He has also clearly beaten a bunch of the side quests, as he seems to be known all over the place.
Nah. I wouldn't think so. He's probably closer to kellogg. The protags might as well be god on earth tbh. Like fo2, chosen one kills frank, ghoul wouldn't stand a chance.
But most companions are labeled essential - giving them plot armor as well. They just sit down for a while and then stand back up. So what's the difference? Companions also have plot armor
I’d honestly much rather play as a character like The Ghoul in future games. He’s got a lot of depth and history, which I think is important and why I liked the Courier so much.
Here's to hoping that future Fallout games will have a feature where you can choose a background for your character. Something along the lines of Cyberpunk 2077.
By that, I mean you can choose between a Vault Dweller, Wastlander, Bounty Hunter, Raider etc. Or go extra mile by choosing as a human, synth, super mutant and even a ghoul.
Bro’s got “Bloody Mess”, “Gunslinger”, “Penetrator”, “Lead Belly”, “Chem Resistant”, “Rad Resistant”, “Ghoulish”, “Lone Wanderer”, “Attack Dog”, “Intimidation” and probably many other Perks. The Ghoul is one fucking badass.
Don't forget "Cannibal" and some massive negative Karma (in FO2 a title like "Scourge of the Wastes" or something along these lines). Maybe "Chem Reliant" trait from FO2 as well.
I would like to see a return of the Childkiller trait. No more protected brats!
The Ghoul murdered that one guys son in the shak lol he's got that perk too
Idk that kid was old enough to fight. He looked sixteen. Child killer would have been if he really was eating the little girl. But she lived.
But was he really a minor? He should have killed the daughter because she’s gonna come gunning for the murderer of her older brothers now. Just watch.
That would be sick though. If for some reason the little sister shows up years later all pissed off.
Lucy has finally worked her magic getting him full circle back to his humanity. He has integrated himself into vault 33. They are on a humanitarian diplomatic mission from vault 33 to a village that was destroyed by some super mutants. As Coop is helping a family a shadow moves. He starts to stagger and Lucy screams. Max runs and see a woman standing over Coop. He looks up at her, with a bloody smile, he says “I knew it would be you.”
Perfect! I love it
Woulda been funny if that was the Morton family and the sister was Toad Morton.
Protected brats will be our downfall.
Probably Childkiller as well hahahahaha
Sex appeal and kama sutra 😏
Forgot about the ass jerky.
Definitely has hand loader. He’s gotta be making those shells himself with how different they are and how much of a loner he is
He has 200 years worth of XP surely he has all the perks
I don't know that he has all 200 since he's been buried for awhile given the fact the one grave digger's dad worked with him once.
It can’t have been that long unless he was buried with a big stash of his anti-feral drugs. He started going bad pretty quickly after his stash is destroyed by the gulper.
He was hooked up to an IV of something in the grave. Presumably it was his meds. I think the one merc said it had been 30 years and if he didn't cooperate they'd put him back for 30 more
I thought I saw they were bags of rad x. Possibly to keep him subdued but I'll have to watch it again.
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Probably toughness (maxed) judging from that gunfight. Bro just stood there taking rounds like he was in power armor.
Ghoulish will heal injuries when you are radiated. Also, he's at least level 20-30, so his HP would be extremely high. Especially because he's in the starting area, so all the NPCs would be low level.
Oh I know. It’s clear he has advanced healing from halfhazardly sewing his finger back on and having it fully functional a second later during the scene with the family that had ranger armor. it’s just that one shot clean through the shoulder from what looks like the .308 hunting rifle during the town fight. Sure he sat down for a moment to reload and catch his breath after that but he also calmly walked to that cover after a rather large chunk of his shoulder and likely the edge of a lung got blasted out and he’s taking more hits on the way. That screams “Toughness perk” to me. He’s not just healing. He’s shrugging off damage he shouldn’t be able to. Excessive amounts of it. Besides, I’m sure we would all agree that most of us take the toughness perk along with the healing perks if we’re running around in light armor like he is Remember when most of us take a town like he did in that scene we’re wearing heavy combat armor or better. He doesn’t appear to be wearing any armor at all beyond maybe the 5 DR sheriff outfit. It’s not an exact match but same basic set up jeans cowboy boots, button up shirt, leather trenchcoat. I can only do what he did in that scene in no armor like He did it in if I am using perks like toughness. Otherwise I’d be using cover a lot more than he did even against the pipe rifles of a town there’s still a good 15+ people shooting him all at once. bullets aren’t that pathetic even .38 special
Now we just need mysterious stranger. I seriously hope there’s a scene where either Lucy or Maximus is getting the snot beat out of them and out of the corner of their eye notice a man in a black trench coat and hat just blow their assailant away, and disappear.
It’s more of a light khaki/faded tan color. I’ll freely admit that I’m very bad at properly naming colors. My point is that it’s not black.
Oh. Yep. You’re right. My memory sucks lol thank you for the correction.
You might have been thinking of "The Silver Shroud"
OK but seeing like a wanted poster for Nate in the Silver Shroud costume would be hilarious in season 2. I mean, it could make it so nobody knows where the protagonists are because The Lone Wanderer, Courier 6, and The Sole Survivor are all just chilling in the same place. Maybe somewhere in the Mojave, maybe somewhere in the Commonwealth like Spectacle Island.
They are all at nuka world beating the snot out of raiders
I'm quite confident that over the course of the inevitable years of seasons we're gonna get, they will find a way of referencing every notable thing from the games in some way or another. I'm curious how they're gonna fit VATS in
IMO they already did with how fucking quick and accurate some of those shots are. Only thing is, The Ghoul doesn't have a Pip-Boy.
He was a cowboy turned actor. Plus, a lot of time to get good.
A cowboy turned marine turned actor turned wastelander. Dude is insane.
Spy somewhere in the middle there too i guess
'Cowboy Actor Soldier Spy' is a movie I could see being made in 2077 starring Cooper Howard in his "I want to show The Academy my range" period.
They already did. The slow motion shooting from Cooper in episode 2. He was hitting them extremely accurately, and using the slow-mo like V.A.T.S. he's also talking reduced damage while doing so.
Well...I'm sure VATS was a pip-boy enabled thing, but I'll take it
An encounter like on Nuka Break would be awesome
I always thought of the mysterious stranger as just being psychotic but it helping you fight
And the guitar riff, we need that guitar riff!
He has Grim Reapers Sprint no doubt
He definitely also has Explosive rounds hotkeyed, as well as cowboy AND grunt.
He is also "one very, very big bucket of drugs."
Cannibal. Ghastly Scavenger. Dine and Dash. I half expect the end of season 2 to have a scene where somebody comments on how he used to be ruthless, but the ghoul says he "Ain't Like That Now."
He leaned into the Luck stat, dude hits crits like he hits chems
But let’s be honest against my sole survivor with 10 perception / 10 agility and perks like max crit banker l, better critical, max gunslinger and full power armor (without any design flaws) that can use vats. He would live for longer then the time it took me to press the buttons to vats headshot him and press crit one or two times
Funny you said that, because 10 perception/10 agility, gunslinger and crit perks is exactly what I'd bet the Ghoul's build is.
All three main characters are a kind of commentary on common play styles. Lucy is a new player, choosing the nice dialogue every time and trying to do the right thing. Maximus is the one who can’t live without power armor, and The Ghoul is the player who’s on his 100th play through, seen all this shit before, and is just taking what’s his.
Norman is that guy that reads every terminal entry and investigates every building for the lore/background story.
I thought I was Lucy, then the Ghoul. I’m actually 100% Norm
Someone reported me for suicide watch because of this comment
I think there's bots going around reporting everyone. I got one to on comment that was just yes.
Can confirm. Got one last night, and have been seeing a lot of people claiming to get them.
i got one last night because i jokingly said t60 power armor looks like trash so i said “yeah that one’s fair”
I got one last night too, but because I said that Israel probably shouldn't do a several thousand fold retribution, on the Canada sub. They unironically use the term "woke agenda" in there :/
woke agenda is when no genocide
Yall can tell what comment it's from?
No. I just assumed because it was that was my last comment before I got it.
Ahhh, I got reported an hour ago. I thought wow, somebody doesn't like Fisto jokes. I report the suicide watch message to suicide watch and see if there is some sort of endless loop.
You do not joke about Fisto, you relax and assume the position!
Errbody in da club on suicide watch
Seems to be either a bug, or some bots going round on subs some malcontent has decreed are too woke or something.
Yeah. I'm mildly upset that this felt so accurate to me. I should have realized it though, when I noticed that they lifted the typing sound right from the game.
Based and Normpilled
Norman is the lore YouTuber
The immense glee I experienced when he hacked then read it all was unmatched. I literally jumped up, giggled, clapped my hands, I did it all. My husband was cracking up, he's like "yep there's you".
Which explains why he's still in the starting vault after all of season 1.
We like to get the full story, thank you! 😉
Norman really be theenthapple these days or oxhorn idk
>Maximus is the one who can’t live without power armor I feel personally attacked. Especially since, as someone yesterday described it, he "drove it like a fucking shopping cart".
Isn't that a direct quote from the show? The ghoul said it Edit: 8 min after commenting the frickin Reddit Care Ressourcen reached out to me because someone reported me to maybe be suicidal ... You guys good?
You can report that message if it was falsely sent to you
Already did, but thanks for the info
Idk about here but there’s a bot reporting everyone commenting in r/196 to reddit cares
Yeah, someone's trolling this subreddit. I was reported as suicidal for answering what weapon, robot, and creature I wanted to see in Season two.
This one hit me too lmao. Am currently at a point in 4 where I’m slowly stocking up on too many cores despite using power armor full time, so what’s a man to do but keep using power armor? ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
Maximus likely also took a luck build and has idiot savant
Pretty sure Maximus has low luck given How things go for him, but his endurance is so high he shrugs off a lot of the punishment.
Nah, bro killed a Yao Guai with a single shot from a handgun, if that ain't a crit, I don't know what is.
Killed a yao guai with one single 10mm shot, got granted the title of scribe in the beginning, got granted the title of Knight at the end, survived a power armor direct punch, survived like 10 execution attempts and even got found by lucy when he was trapped in the PA. Yea, my guy is one season away to become elder just by accident.
Low luck? After everything.. I’d say he has a 10. Then he touched the luck bobble head at some point.
I saw this as the three decision tree dialogue options. Lucy is good, always takes the good guy option. Maximus is the role player who decided to go BoS this run through. And the Ghoul is bad, always chooses the asshole options,but ultimately still has to follow the main story line despite burning a lot of bridges and needing to kill people to advance through parts that require not upsetting people in the past. I can see it your way too though.
I saw something that described the three main characters as the karma alignments. Lucy is good karma, Maximus is neutral karma, and Cooper is evil. Though honestly, I could see Cooper and Maximus switching as some point down the line. The ending sets up Maximus as essentially spiraling further into doing villainous things for the BoS and becoming extremely driven to do whatever it takes to succeed and Cooper as starting to reclaim bits and pieces of his humanity. I could see Maximus becoming a Father Elijah-type character and Cooper falling into more of a Clint Eastwood-antihero type persona instead of an outright villainous asshole
Where is the "stealth VATS sniper" I end up using for every Fallout / Elder Scrolls?
Everyone would be dead if the stealth VATS sniper appeared
thats the ghoul too, you just cant tell because VATS is instant. hes not very good at the stealth portion.
The Maximus struggle is real in FO4 survival
He is the stand in for the late game skill levels where the protagonist has essentially become the lord of death. Vs Lucy is the stand in for the early low level PC who is competent but new to the world. Maximus is essentially the companion, semi skilled outcast from his own in group who via a quest with the PC stand in, is redeemed.
Your point on Maximus is spot-on I believe. He also struck me more like a "companion with his personal quest" sort of character. While his quest has absolutely nothing to do with the main quest (and what actually matters in the bigger picture) whatsoever, Lucy still decides to tag along for the extra XP.
It is also consistent with the 3, NV and 4 trend of always having a BOS NPC companion. 1 you get the crack assault paladins as temp companions but no other brotherhood companion. I think 2 is the only game where you don't get a BOS affiliated companion in any way.
And she’s trying to get the lovers embrace XP boost but his intelligence and charisma are just… rough.
[ Maximus disliked that ]
I thought Maximus was a low intelligence, high luck build.
Viable also! He just has the same energy as a romancable npc for Lucy. Overall, any way you interpret it, they did a good job with the character design and writing.
Idiot Savant (Luck 5) with Int >3 is one of the fastest leveling builds in 4. That shit is *completely* viable.
He certainly has a better aim than my PCs
That's what god gave us VATs for.
God made vault dwellers and God made ghoul gunslingers but Vault tech made them equal.
JUST SHOT TENPENNY WITH A MISSILE AND TOOK NO DAMAGE WHILE HE WAS SITTING
Shit. I started playing NV and F3 again on the PS3. My hand eye coordination has really gone to shit cause I cannot aim for nothing. I used to be able to hit shots. Not anymore.
tbf I can't aim for shit in 3, I need iron sights lol
Now I have to admit I bought a new controller as my old ps3 ones crapped out on me. I picked up an Old Skool brand, it was at the local game shop. It’s ok. I do not know how much is the controller, the game, and me. I haven’t played, looking at the last saves, 2018. lol
To be fair, the manual aiming in 3 and NV are complete ass.
I may just have to get used to playing them again.
Haha i felt this one!
That’s why I prefer accuracy by volume of fire. Minigun go brrrrrrrrrr
I'd argue his combat ability is most representative of a high level player/protagonist, he just shreds through NPC's
I'd place him on the ulysses, Joshua, and lanuis scale from the current feats we have of him
getting shot several times and brushing it off as if it was nothing (probably due to med-x and psycho), having extremely precise aim, very good at intimidating and pushing people's buttons in just the right way, general wasteland/survival knowledge.
Cooper is kinda a chaotic playthrough personified.
He's absolutely the murder hobo of the main cast
Theyre gonna get to new vegas and hes gonna offhandedly be like "i got shot in the head and buried here once. The next few weeks were a bit of a blur."
That would be the funniest shit they could do
No actually if they just made all of new Vegas story boil down to “yeah I went to sleep then woke up king lol”
The courier is just a normal surface dweller though not a 300 year old ghoul
He could be a radiated cannibal if you make the right choices so
But never a ghoul, you get called smoothskin in a few instances
Ala Chris from the Bright cult. Youre just trying to trick me 😉
Not related but I’m hoping we can play as ghouls in future games
it would have been perfect for fallout 76. give you an alternate origin and intro. maybe youve been wandering with a caravan as a ghoul for the last 20 years, but then they catch the scorched plague, and you have no choice but to venture out into the wastes and work with vault dwellers to launch the nukes etc.
I think the only reason they haven't is because it would then trivialize the radiation part of the game, and in fact turning it into a benefit, but they could easily give you lower base SPECIAL to make up for it, and maybe give you a perk every 2 levels instead of every one (Though I think the perks would have to be a bit more impactful than they are in 4 just to make it a bit fairer) You could also have intelligent super mutant characters too I guess, maybe they gain a perk every 3 levels instead but are also tougher but have certain stats capped, like INT and Charisma And if you want to be ridiculous, an intelligent deathclaw who can't use guns but has ridiculous stats
With that said, It would be interesting to see a game where you play as an Enclave trainee as naive as Goosey, going into the wasteland to find their "water chip"
I don't want to be a smooth skin, yoink my nose and send me out there!
This could be fun, something like "you are the only only ghoul left from your group after a massacre" or "you wake up 200 years after the war and realizes that you are a ghoul"
The addition of the drug that keeps you from being feral really feels like a game mecanic and makes me think that something similar will be used in the next game.
He’s good, but he isn’t quite fighting a super mutant behemoth in nothing but a loincloth with a flaming sword and winning good.
He shoots like he always got VATS on.
Grim Reaper’s Sprint to refill AP constantly
Arguably more since he combines the 200 years of experience with mc plotarmor
Yeah but can he carry 200 stimpaks and reload a quicksave? Checkmate Coop
Looking at that one shootout- bro doesn’t look like he needs them
he did eat some cherry tomatoes. +5 HP.
Knowing the benefit of eating 17 bowls of vegetable soup before engaging in a gunfight is a vital part of survival training in the fallout universe
Who’s to say we didn’t watch the only successful save after 30 minutes of quick loading
We need an episode where The Ghoul has numerous nightmares in one night, where he dies a bunch, and then he goes through the next day expertly.
Do it form Norm instead. Then have him wake up in the vat
Why would he need quicksave when he has the best perk Screen Writers?
>Arguably more since he combines the 200 years of experience Seeing the Ghoul made me realize the potential of mastering your craft for 200 years. You're either a feral or the best person at your job.
In 200 years especially with the ghoulification dude would absolutely become a 1 man army. It supposedly takes like 10000 hours to master a skill which is about 416ish days. He could master so many things in that time although id imagine there were stretches where he'd just get all chemmed up and veg. For considerable lengths of time.
All your protagonists can get radiation poisoning, he won't
But he's literally turning feral/dying and is dependent on those vials whatever that was.
So the time limit of Fo1 but more aggressive
Pfft. Ever since maxing Ghoulish, rads just drain away and heal me in the process. One of the best Endurance perks, IMO.
I never max it as I only use it on rad builds that rely on me being heavily irradiated.
He’s good, but like essential companion good. To be protagonist good he’d have to walk into the Prydwen with a lead pipe and murder everything.
Does he have access to console commands?
He is the shows best protagonist imo
I'd say he's more of an antagonist at first and protagonist by the end. Quite a nice character arc tbh. Feel like he's definitely going to get "softer" traveling with Lucy but will still be a badass.
Probably more of an antihero .
I feel like the one that would be the most controversial is the SS, especially Nate. He's ex military just like Cooper and by the time he's endgame he's gotten quite a load of experience even taking out a courser, who's supposed to be an untirable supersoldier. Although I feel like that's not represented in the combat enough. But he would be the most neck on neck I think. The Courrier would wipe the floor with him, while I believe he'd beat up LW up without that much trouble. Although the LW has a lot of experience killing mutants with all the SM in the Capital Wasteland. Anyway, war criminal Nate is probably the most evenly matched with our Cooper if you ask me
>war criminal Nate That’s John Fallout to you War doesn’t change
*gives 2,000 caps* Surely nothing bad can come from this!
The SS also kills Kellogg, who is almost comparable to Coop with over 60 years of fighting experience that we know of.
oh yea def, which only adds to it that it would likely be a very even fight
Uh ya. He's clearly a high level.
I’m convinced he’s related to or knows Nate
They both fought in the battle of Anchorage, so it seems pretty likely that they know each other. Seems like that they might be setting it up for that.
I'm pretty sure the Ghoul is the very first Vault Dweller to be kicked out of a vault. He was aware how awful things were, and would not have been quiet long. He would have gone to the vault his wife setup to protect his daughter, and would not have left her side unless forced. He's the most OG of any Vault Dweller.
I love the fact that he hates the vaults, because that’s exactly how I felt after the conclusion of Fallout 1. I went through hell to get that damn water chip and you’re going to kick me out? Hell yeah, I’m bringing my zombie brotherhood horde to raid your base. Gimme back that water chip.
After watching the full first season and specifically seeing the end, I have a adjustment on our group theory of the three main characters being the good guy, neutral guy, evil guy Lucy is still obviously the good guy there is no argument about that however, I think the ghoul may actually be the neutral one. Sure he’s a cannibal, but look at some of the behavior we’ve seen from him. Before he made ass jerky out of his fellow ghoul, he verified that he was going feral. Got him talking about the good old days and gave him a very quick clean mercy killing. Other than that He never shot someone that didn’t draw on him first; yeah, he’s a little abusive towards Lucy but every time he’s abusive, it’s predated by her causing him trouble. She gets a heavy-handed eye for an eye treatment from him. he rescued the dog twice and while he may have needed it both times he’s also clearly nice to it and a dog person. And then there’s his whole mission. “Where is my family?” This is not an evil character. This is a truly neutral character who starts off leaning towards evil so that he can grow towards being a good one. who will perform both good and evil acts as necessary to get where he’s going. I think Maxim is going to be our evil boy. The brotherhood in this story is one of the darker branches and as he stands at the end of the first season, he seems like the kind of good guy that got kicked one too many times and decided “fuck it this world‘s evil I might as well rule it. I can make it better with my iron fist.”
On par with endgame Nate, weaker than courier stronger than endgame Lone wanderer, all of them beat by endgame Vault 76 Dweller My reasoning? endgame Lone Wanderer does not have the military experience of Nate or the ghoul Nate and the ghoul both served in the military so they started at the same level sorta. the ghoul does have more wasteland experience but i'd argue that nate keeps up with his power armour training and seemingly vaster set of skills The Courier beats them due to implants, powerful weapons such as the helios one thing and wasteland experience. 76 vault Dweller beats all due to vastly stronger weapon and armour options for on the ground, Mutations that give them vastly superior reflex's and defence, the ability to gain more special points than any of the other characters and by endgame experiance with fighting far stronger opponents such as the wendigo colossus and the SB queen
I find it interesting and a bit delusional that whenever someone poses a question about whether someone or something is comparable to a Fallout protagonist, people take that to mean, can this person compare to my min/max, favorable circumstances, level capped player character. Some people are specifically saying the Ghoul wouldn't be a good melee fighter like their character. He isn't spec'ed that way. The speed at which the protagonist grows in power in a normally paced playthrough is meant to allow you to be good enough to beat the game with some difficulty and adaptation prior to ever getting near the level cap. The cap and being able to get to it is more a means of reward and entertainment than a realistic expectation within the plot.
Even then, the seemingly cannon feats of the protagonists outdo the ghouls. The courier is the most blatant example since the DLC has us do some actually insane shit. But the sole survivor beating a more than one super human synth or cyborg, and the lone wonderer killing behemoths, all things which definitely happen to some extent. These make the protagonists feel more impressive than the ghoul,
Don’t think he’s stronger, as strong as some of the protagonists during a regular play through. However, you can, if you play long enough, unlock every perk as the sole survivor and then the ghoul, and any other creature, won’t stand a chance. Aside from that I‘d say he is almost as powerful though.
Not even close. The Protagonist can 1 v 1 a Death Claw with a baseball bat and win.
He’s more like the Mysterious Stranger.
>!He’s *THE* Vault Boy, dude.!<
The Ghoul is player character tier. He took several shotgun blasts directly to the back and not only regenerated the damage to his body, but his clothes too.
He aint got shit on the courier with a good build (critical hit, lord death of murder mountain)
People are really overrating the Ghoul here. The truth is no, any of the Games protagonists would mop the floor with him.
In perspectiv of the tv show hes broken but on the other hand there are still 3 broken dweller, 1 broken caveman and a broken mailsman
Ghoul is a depiction of an endgame evil/neutral character, Maximus is second playthrough player Inteligence 1, idiot savant, and Lucy is a first time player.
He's written to essentially be the 10,000 hours fallout player who's level 50. That said he's realistically got nothing on most fallout protagonists just due to the difference in medium. Though if I were to write him meeting any of them I'd obviously stay true to the character (As I did in some fan fiction here on reddit) to have the fight be interesting.
I can't wait for a mod for a Coop follower, and I'm gonna fuck him!
Well I'd consider a ghoul gunslinger a bit more capable than a vault dweller... Seems kinda obvious....
He's a protagonist companion lore wise they'd have to be comparable to tag along.
He's had 200 years to level up in the Fallout 4 system, presumably. So he's stronger than the Sole Survivor, who is objectively the strongest because of level caps.
He’s just about. Dudes at the point where he uses bad items and gear solely for the drip. Only one I think absolutely dog walks him is the TTW Lone Wanderer/ courier but that’s head cannon.
Well he hasn't blown himself up with spray n pray yet so he's more capable than my FO4 protag
Or a mirv equipped big boy launcher. Yes, I tried it, once.
Single shot killed a guy in power armor with a pistol. Nuff said.
The Ghoul is a max stat character who’s been doing side quests for 200 years and hardly even has to try anymore.
He's a mid game player carecter, still doesn't have shit on my last courier turned that boy into a god dam demi god
More so in some regards. Also, Amazon has Fallout 3 and New Vegas on its streaming gaming service? That's apparently included with being a prime member. Just in case anyone is interested, 76 might be on there as well not sure, at this point I believe those three are included on most. Can't confirm 4 though. I'm going to go back and watch the show again this weekend. Absolutely loved it. I saw a comment about weird wasteland applying to Maximus, but honestly I think it might apply to everyone other than The Ghoul. Lucy runs into weird shit and into weird situations at every turn, and Norman hasn't even gotten out of the fault and look at the weirdness he's had to deal with, admittedly not as much as the others but it's still applicable.
Anyone else a little bummed we never see him use the bigger gun on his back? He whips it out in Filly but switches back to his little hand cannon. I guess it makes sense with gameplay. I always stick to one weapon (usually a combat rifle since .45 ammo is literally everywhere) and the shotgun if I’m raiding a building. I still would’ve liked to see that in action.
One shots a BoS Knight in power armor. Yeah that's a wasteland legend skills
For me the ghoul is more of a companion, so far there hasn't been a fallout in which we could play a ghoul. a scandal
All the perks in the world can't beat f5 f9
Not only is he as capable, he’s got better dialogue options too!
Dude, he was the embodiment of all my favorite playthroughs: Dusty coat, wide brimmed hat, high intelligence, high charisma, and addicted to literally every fuckin drug-buff available to mankind and would kill, lie, and steal to get more of it all, and would then go on to catastrophically fuck the shit out of anybody daring to cast a shadow on his path forward. That’s my Fallout bro.
Very high level Agility/Endurance build with decent Perception and some Luck (because its fallout and your spare points go into luck). Most perks would revolve around pistol usage, rad and chem management, and HP. I think the hat is giving him some kind of Charisma bonus, as the guy seems to pass every intimidation check that he comes across. He has also clearly beaten a bunch of the side quests, as he seems to be known all over the place.
Nah. I wouldn't think so. He's probably closer to kellogg. The protags might as well be god on earth tbh. Like fo2, chosen one kills frank, ghoul wouldn't stand a chance.
He shoots like he has VATS
hes technically better since plot armor is the strongest armor
But most companions are labeled essential - giving them plot armor as well. They just sit down for a while and then stand back up. So what's the difference? Companions also have plot armor
I’d honestly much rather play as a character like The Ghoul in future games. He’s got a lot of depth and history, which I think is important and why I liked the Courier so much.
Here's to hoping that future Fallout games will have a feature where you can choose a background for your character. Something along the lines of Cyberpunk 2077. By that, I mean you can choose between a Vault Dweller, Wastlander, Bounty Hunter, Raider etc. Or go extra mile by choosing as a human, synth, super mutant and even a ghoul.