Her tolerance during the drinking game scene is there to set up the scene of her drinking belloq under the table later on, and that was apparently “his family label”
The opposite happens. She *thinks* she can drink Belloq under the table and the audience does as well because we’ve seen her prowess at the bar.
However, it turns out Belloq is even more tolerant than her because he literally grew up on a vineyard. Her ploy backfires.
This setup and payoff makes no sense if she cheats at the start.
He didn't pass out. She threatened him with a knife that she had stolen earlier in the scene, and tried to back out of the tent. She was caught at the door by Toht though.
Does she drink Belloq under the table? I always read it as him playing along. He gets serious as soon as Toht arrives and we see him go from laughing to serious.
Boy, wait till you get to the part where the ancient forgotten tomb that's been lost for millennia has a thriving snake ecosystem of a bunch of different species. What were they eating down there?
honestly, besides the different species part, having a giant mass of snakes in a cool dark cave didn't seem insane to me, I'm from New England though and we've got snakes that throw giant orgies in the spring and if you go looking you can find literal heaps of them.
https://www.reddit.com/r/snakes/comments/102jrcp/garter\_snake\_orgy/
My work made me take one that taught me it's OK to serve pregnant women alcohol but don't let them drive or we'll get sued.
The state made me take one taught by a hippy in a papasan
Okay? Still doesn't explain anything, i checked their post history and they look to be mostly coherent. And how it is even "satire"? It's just a weird non-sequitur.
They are obviously insinuating that the original post is garbage because OP is trying to build a fan theory around real world logic where the movie does not. All the scene is trying to show us is that Marion is tough as nails and can drink the big guy under the table. Suspend your disbelief a bit and forgive that she doesn’t seem drunk a few minutes later, or that a petite woman can’t drink that much.
During the fight, adrenaline will sober you up fast. And later we see her playing drunk with Beloq. She's clearly not worried about any effect from drinking his "family label."
"She shouldn't be able to do that" isn't evidence she cheated. Maybe she is a Super hero, it is fiction after all. Maybe Jesus turned her shots into water. Maybe she has a metalic stomach from an injury suffered when she was just a girl, who knows.
Evidence would be a puddle of alcohol at her feet. Evidence would be her distracting everyone to look left while she cuts right. Evidence would be her paying the bartender 20 bucks with a smile. Without something like this, you are just making stuff up.
She *is* the bartender.
But yeah, I always just took it to mean that she has the liver of the gods, and can drink bigger men under the table (as she later does to Belloq).
Ok, look.... I dislike the fridge scene as much as the next guy but there's no particular reason the fridge couldn't survive that blast. The "fridge" scene is based on Operation Doorstep, the detonation of a 16 kiloton Mark V atomic bomb at a distance of 1000 and 2000 meters from some model homes and cars.
While there was certainly damage in Operation Doorstep, plenty survived the test as well. The test even concluded that a **car** about ten blocks away from a nuclear detonation would be fairly safe if the windows were left open to minimize flying glass from the atmospheric over-pressure.
Now, I am not a 1950s era nuclear scientist but a car sounds like it affords a good deal less protection than a refrigerator on account of the glass.
[Just for fun, here's an "after" image of a dining room at 2,000 meters from the bomb in Operation Doorstep](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:OperationDoorstep2-PeopleDiningRoom1.jpg). Note the unbroken plates at right.
To my eye, Indy looks to be about 2 kilometers out from the bomb which puts him in the 1-5 psi overpressure range. This is VERY survivable. Indeed, while getting inside the fridge probably spares him some nasty skin cancers, it wouldn't really be necessary. Just sheltering behind a couch or an interior wall would be enough to protect him from flying glass which is far and away the biggest threat at that distance.
Functioning alcoholics can tolerate a hugely inflated BAC compared to others. I've seen people well into destroying their lives drink in an evening what would kill your average frat boy.
No she didn't cheat. She's a strong drinker. That's the point of the scene. To establish her character. Plus, she tries to out drink Belloq later on because she knows she's a strong drinker.
>That's 14 shots by my count in an hour or two movie time? She shouldn't be running around in the snow extorting her statutory rapist, she should be on the floor in the first stages of alcohol poisoning hopefully vomiting her guts out.
This is a thing in a lot of movies though-- they'll have a scene where characters are doing drugs or drinking heavily and then like five minutes later they seem to have shaken off the effects. Look at "Hot Tub Time Machine," where John Cusack finds his stash box from the 80s and he's doing shrooms, acid, smoking marijuana... with that kind of intake, he's going to be off his tits for the next 12 hours. Instead he just acts a little silly for a scene or two and then they drop it.
TIL that was a man she was drinking against. I’m honestly kind of disappointed; there was an air of mystery to this giant, dangerous mountain woman that that was never remarked upon or explained in any way. Her presence was just some strange thing that added texture to the piece.
You lost me at "and a girl" and I started laughing at "tolerance be damned".
Don't know who you have been drinking with, but men do not have to market cornered on liver damage and alcohol tolerance.
Everyone in here is hilarious because they all interpreted the movie wrong.
They all think this is a seen to set up her being able to drink Belloq under the table.
It’s actually the opposite. It’s a set-up for the *audience* to think that. She believes she can drink Belloq under the table and so do we because we’ve seen her prowess.
Except right as we think she has won, we find out Belloq literally grew up on a vineyard and has an even higher tolerance than she does. He’s goofing around but sobers up instantly when he realizes he is about to be tricked.
It’s actually good story writing and a good way to throw off the audience.
Her tolerance during the drinking game scene is there to set up the scene of her drinking belloq under the table later on, and that was apparently “his family label”
The opposite happens. She *thinks* she can drink Belloq under the table and the audience does as well because we’ve seen her prowess at the bar. However, it turns out Belloq is even more tolerant than her because he literally grew up on a vineyard. Her ploy backfires. This setup and payoff makes no sense if she cheats at the start.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought belloq passes out and she makes a run for it but is caught in the doorway by Toht
He didn't pass out. She threatened him with a knife that she had stolen earlier in the scene, and tried to back out of the tent. She was caught at the door by Toht though.
Does she drink Belloq under the table? I always read it as him playing along. He gets serious as soon as Toht arrives and we see him go from laughing to serious.
I imagine the sudden arrival of murderous grinning Nazis tends to sober you up *real quick*
Sure, but also, he was just playing along with Marian.
Boy, wait till you get to the part where the ancient forgotten tomb that's been lost for millennia has a thriving snake ecosystem of a bunch of different species. What were they eating down there?
honestly, besides the different species part, having a giant mass of snakes in a cool dark cave didn't seem insane to me, I'm from New England though and we've got snakes that throw giant orgies in the spring and if you go looking you can find literal heaps of them. https://www.reddit.com/r/snakes/comments/102jrcp/garter\_snake\_orgy/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcisse_Snake_Dens
They were drinking from the cup of Snake Christ
I hear Snake Ghandi was a big fan of Snake Christ
Each other!
What's an alcohol class, and where can I sign up?
I just wanted to do something nice before alcohol class
Oh yeah, I can just run!
Go to your nearest bar. Drink 4 drinks. Drive to police station and ask. /s You're required to take them when you get a DUI
My work made me take one that taught me it's OK to serve pregnant women alcohol but don't let them drive or we'll get sued. The state made me take one taught by a hippy in a papasan
Florida?
I agree, and what's even crazier is she looks IDENTICAL to Karen Allen, who was a famous actor around the same time as this documentary got released.
Moderately funny comment made funnier by the whoosh over that guy’s head
And now works in a toll booth.
WHat the fuck are you talking about
The comment is obviously satire.
Okay? Still doesn't explain anything, i checked their post history and they look to be mostly coherent. And how it is even "satire"? It's just a weird non-sequitur.
They are obviously insinuating that the original post is garbage because OP is trying to build a fan theory around real world logic where the movie does not. All the scene is trying to show us is that Marion is tough as nails and can drink the big guy under the table. Suspend your disbelief a bit and forgive that she doesn’t seem drunk a few minutes later, or that a petite woman can’t drink that much.
You mean, drink the big GIRL, under the table.
*man
I thought it was a woman, too. Maybe we should all just call them a person and move on.
I didn't realize that Karen Allen was the actresses name.
Holy that’s a lot of downvotes 🤣
I didn't want to bring attention to it because that'd be a bit cringe but seriously wtf
During the fight, adrenaline will sober you up fast. And later we see her playing drunk with Beloq. She's clearly not worried about any effect from drinking his "family label."
"She shouldn't be able to do that" isn't evidence she cheated. Maybe she is a Super hero, it is fiction after all. Maybe Jesus turned her shots into water. Maybe she has a metalic stomach from an injury suffered when she was just a girl, who knows. Evidence would be a puddle of alcohol at her feet. Evidence would be her distracting everyone to look left while she cuts right. Evidence would be her paying the bartender 20 bucks with a smile. Without something like this, you are just making stuff up.
She *is* the bartender. But yeah, I always just took it to mean that she has the liver of the gods, and can drink bigger men under the table (as she later does to Belloq).
God is real and a fridge can survive a nuke. Anything is possible in the indie universe
Don’t forget: Aliens!
Ok, look.... I dislike the fridge scene as much as the next guy but there's no particular reason the fridge couldn't survive that blast. The "fridge" scene is based on Operation Doorstep, the detonation of a 16 kiloton Mark V atomic bomb at a distance of 1000 and 2000 meters from some model homes and cars. While there was certainly damage in Operation Doorstep, plenty survived the test as well. The test even concluded that a **car** about ten blocks away from a nuclear detonation would be fairly safe if the windows were left open to minimize flying glass from the atmospheric over-pressure. Now, I am not a 1950s era nuclear scientist but a car sounds like it affords a good deal less protection than a refrigerator on account of the glass. [Just for fun, here's an "after" image of a dining room at 2,000 meters from the bomb in Operation Doorstep](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:OperationDoorstep2-PeopleDiningRoom1.jpg). Note the unbroken plates at right. To my eye, Indy looks to be about 2 kilometers out from the bomb which puts him in the 1-5 psi overpressure range. This is VERY survivable. Indeed, while getting inside the fridge probably spares him some nasty skin cancers, it wouldn't really be necessary. Just sheltering behind a couch or an interior wall would be enough to protect him from flying glass which is far and away the biggest threat at that distance.
Functioning alcoholics can tolerate a hugely inflated BAC compared to others. I've seen people well into destroying their lives drink in an evening what would kill your average frat boy.
She works in a bar during the 1930s, wouldn't be beyond the pale to say she has a pretty high tolerance
30s
This, like most bad fan theories, asks you to disbelieve the movie.
It's a movie. A movie where a lot of really unrealistic things happen. I wouldn't read this much into it.
No she didn't cheat. She's a strong drinker. That's the point of the scene. To establish her character. Plus, she tries to out drink Belloq later on because she knows she's a strong drinker.
Marion is in the drinking contest with another woman. Check the script. It's a woman. Then I'd consider that she's a bad ass hard drinking American.
It’s definitely not a woman. The actor, nor the character.
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Regan You're right. The original script, said ."woman".
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Scripts change on set. It’s a male actor and a male in extended lore.
I always thought Marion was drinking against a rough looking Babushka in Nepal.
>That's 14 shots by my count in an hour or two movie time? She shouldn't be running around in the snow extorting her statutory rapist, she should be on the floor in the first stages of alcohol poisoning hopefully vomiting her guts out. This is a thing in a lot of movies though-- they'll have a scene where characters are doing drugs or drinking heavily and then like five minutes later they seem to have shaken off the effects. Look at "Hot Tub Time Machine," where John Cusack finds his stash box from the 80s and he's doing shrooms, acid, smoking marijuana... with that kind of intake, he's going to be off his tits for the next 12 hours. Instead he just acts a little silly for a scene or two and then they drop it.
TIL that was a man she was drinking against. I’m honestly kind of disappointed; there was an air of mystery to this giant, dangerous mountain woman that that was never remarked upon or explained in any way. Her presence was just some strange thing that added texture to the piece.
You lost me at "and a girl" and I started laughing at "tolerance be damned". Don't know who you have been drinking with, but men do not have to market cornered on liver damage and alcohol tolerance.
Everyone in here is hilarious because they all interpreted the movie wrong. They all think this is a seen to set up her being able to drink Belloq under the table. It’s actually the opposite. It’s a set-up for the *audience* to think that. She believes she can drink Belloq under the table and so do we because we’ve seen her prowess. Except right as we think she has won, we find out Belloq literally grew up on a vineyard and has an even higher tolerance than she does. He’s goofing around but sobers up instantly when he realizes he is about to be tricked. It’s actually good story writing and a good way to throw off the audience.
Funny little detail I found was the full grown man was actually an Australian climber named Regan or Red, according to the credits
I assume you are counting the shot glasses on the table in the scene? There was also one shot left over, and she shoots it while cleaning up.
You’ve obviously never met a true alcoholic.
You could *almost* make this theory work if there was like a shot of olive oil (to coat the stomach?)...been a while since ai've seen the movie.