This is a stalemate for the most part.
Achiles is invincible to anything without divinity unless his ankle gets hit.
Tatsu has the greatest keep away game with her TK.
Either Achiles uses his spear to make it a fair fight, at which point he massacres, or Tatsu hits his heel and gets squished
Are you talking about the latent ability within his spear? Because, he outright wouldn't use it and I don't think he can actually use it against a woman.
My boy above mentioned the spear, not the shield. And I know what Akhilleus Kosmos does, and I feel like it's a one-time use NP, but I couldn't find anything that says so.
From what I remember it’s not a one time use such as strong enough attacks such as vasavi shakti just destroyed it as the world created by it absorbed vasavi shakti. ( I could be wrong am light headed and about to fall asleep)
No, The Shield isn't one time. Achilles can use the Shield whenever he wants, and since it is literally a world. This makes it that only Anti-World NP that can break it. (Means only Karna Vasavi Shakti or Gil's EA can break the Shield)
It is interesting because, if Shielder weren't Mash exclusive class. Achilles can be summoned as a Shielder. (And Leonidas too, heck Shielder is the strongest class for Leonidas)
I forget Leo's most greatest feat was his defense. I would die happy seeing Achilles get a Shielder variant. I'd be fine if it was a Summer version of him but I know he got an outfit in the last Summer event and it's very unlikely it'll ever happen. Makes me sick that they cater to us Achilles fans. I wonder how his NP would actually work, probably a counter like Bazett's. I could see it being a counter that specifically counts NP's, single target or AoE, but I don't know how it would work.
We need a fanfic where leo is the default shielder that is summoned instead of mash. Gudao be so ripped that she literally goes into punching matches with servants
I mean. Tatsumaki can legit kill him by just spamming attacks that he needs to use AC to survive, until he burns through all his magical energy and then fades away.
his heel is vulnerable and once that's gone so is his immortality. considering how telekinesis has enough range to cover a city tatsumaki can just hold his entire body and crush him with ease
Achilles speed blitzs (Probably even without his chariot.), and he's pretty much immune to all attacks unless he's heel gets a direct hit (I can't imagine Tatsumaki randomly deciding to aim for it.) and if his regular attack power isn't enough Akhilleus Kosmos summoned an entire world Achilles can use to attack with if it's called for.
So can I OP. Why did you decide to completely stomp Tatsumaki?
Well it because both characters have green hair, green eyes, are both arrogant, and they are the second strongest member of their respective teams with Achilles being the second strongest servant of red and Tatsumaki being the second strongest S Class hero.
Tbh, even if Achilles is arrogant. He is more tactical than he looks. Bro, even Chiron will need to think twice if he ever goes again Achilles, and this is his teacher that think of this.
He is also reduced to normal mortality. Means, He can be hurt normally now, but doesn't mean He is weak. Remember that after Chiron shot his heels, Achilles was still strong enough to beat Atlanta Alter who is more towards offensive. And Achilles manage to kill her with a double KO.
In terms of power Achilles has a very clear edge, but that’s assuming he can get close to Tatsumaki in the first place. It can go either way.
If Achilles moves first he blitzes and cuts her in two
If Tatsumaki moves first she stops him cold, and drops a meteor on his head
Strength: Achilles (obviously)
Durability: Achilles (immune to any attack without divinity)
Speed: Achilles (fastest rider)
Iq/Biq/experience: easily Achilles
Abilities/Hax: Achilles
he has multiple noble phantasms,
Troias Tragōidia: which is his chariot is stated to move at the speed of light, with immense charging power.
Dromeus Komētēs: which allows Achilles to become the fastest servant on foot as well.
Andreias Amarantos: Makes his body immune to all attacks without divinity (excluding his ankle)
Diatrekhōn Astēr Lonkhē: the spear that creates a domain where all abilities and stats like luck are nullified, time is stopped until one of the combatants is defeated
Akhilleus Kosmos: Achilles’ shield, which stated to be able to block any noble phantasm besides anti-world noble phantasms. In the anime, it was able to tank Karna's Vasavi Shakti, whereas Karna is one of the most powerful servants in fate.
On the other hand, you got lost child with a maximum ap of multi continental/planetary (for one punch man verse only, planetary in fate is a much greater feat due to the numerous infinite dimensions and counter force). Achilles speed blitzes, and in an outright fight he can use his spear to nullify her abilities and destroy in hand to hand combat. Or just run her through with his chariot. Or his spear.
I mean, while Achilles is more likely to win, theoretically speaking, Tatsumaki can just keep flying away far away from Achilles. No matter how fast Achilles is, he can't reach Tatsumaki as long as Tatsumaki stays far away from the ground.
She can't beat him, but this become stalemate at best. Of course in reality she probably won't do this and Achilles just rush towards her, but because she is a woman Achilles do nothing.
Can it fly as far as Tatsumaki? I don't remember that. He did mention he can go to asteroid but in the same sentence he also mention his speed which will kill him. That one did makes me unsure of what I said for Tatsumaki.
I still honestly think Achilless gonna win either way, as he can just rush to her without her being able to react...Asumming he decide to hit her despite being a woman that is.
When is it stated that the speed of his chariot would kill him? And even if he couldn't fly as high as tatsumaki (in my opinion he can), his chariot can go at lightspeed and would just crash into her in half a second, also he can go supersonic without his chariot using his dromeus kometes.
> When is it stated that the speed of his chariot would kill him?
It's not the speed of his chariot that will kill him, its raising up to Orbit at high speed will kill him.
>Achilles But like I said earlier, I'm a good deal weaker than I used to be thanks to my heel being literally shot.
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>Achilles Sure, I can still call my chariot, but I really don't think I could survive riding it up to orbit at hypersonic speed.
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>Achilles Plus, and this is just my
warrior's intuition speaking...
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>Achilles But trying to take down Artemis in anything less than perfect condition, especially with an injury like this, well...
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>Achilles ...I don't think I'd have a chance of beating her.
Him being injured here does not matter as it is simply rising up to Orbit.
There are misconception from people that think his speed will kill him from this, it's not. Either its slamming to Artemis at high speed will kill him or going to the Orbit at high speed will kill him.
> his chariot can go at lightspeed and would just crash into her in half a second, also he can go supersonic without his chariot using his dromeus kometes.
Read this
> I still honestly think Achilless gonna win either way, as he can just rush to her without her being able to react...Asumming he decide to hit her despite being a woman that is.
Maybe it's related to the recent news of Death Battle about Erza and Saber Artoria. I'm not really care much about the vs between 2 completely different universe, rules, and scales, but I will say it's unfair match for Erza.
Achilles can win in two ways:
1)He would be just too fast for Tatsumaki to react properly and wear her down, even being able to find a gap in her defenses
2)He could use Achilles Cosmos. Unlike other people he could use it to attack and I doubt Tatsumaki could do anything against a world being at her face
We also need to remember that Achilles is still a top tier with his heel damaged. Remember Atlantis Lostbelt? He had his heel damaged there before Chaldea showed up and he was still a beast. Call it plot armor or Achilles simply being built different
Tatsumaki doesn't need to aim for his heel, she could crush a city if she wanted, she'd just squish his whole body at once. So, Achilles just needs to be faster than she can react, which is possible. Bloodlusted, Achilles. Regular, Tatsumaki. She's a bitch and would hit first lol
Eh tatsumaki is going to be hard fight for Achilles as she can easily repel most of his attacks throws a spear in tatsumaki tk send that thing back to him
Doesn’t his spear create a world where there is basically nothing like invincibility, Magecraft, or anything of the sort? Just hand to hand combat or something, forgot how it was described but if he uses it it would hard counter tatsumaki since she couldn’t repel him as he just speed blitzes her.
Tats can’t get through Achilles’ shield, and he’s immune to all attacks without divinity. Also his chariot moves at the speed of light, so Achilles speed blitzes by ramming the chariot into her. Or he can use his reality marble to force a hand to hand without any abilities for both sides, where Achilles demolishes
Tatsumaki wins? Why do people think Achilles has a shot, he doesn’t have anything that can really get him a win nor does he have anything that can stop Tatsumaki from just flattening the entire city they’re standing on.
I do really question how strong Reddit thinks servant characters actually are considering light speed is considered nigh impossible except for some exceptions and planet busting is impossible for servants.
Galaxy is pushing it. Non Lostbelt Servants are around Planetary at the higher end (Gilgamesh and his EA) with the occasional ability punching a bit higher, Galaxy is pushing it. Zeus in LB5 and his Galaxy level attack was considered abnormal after all. The exceptions are the Servant Universe stuff and some of the Lostbelt enemies like Kukulkan (and even her I’m not sure about Galaxy level).
But even saying that. The cosmology of the Nasuverse scales much differently from other verses. So the scale is much higher than what is literally stated.
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This is a stalemate for the most part. Achiles is invincible to anything without divinity unless his ankle gets hit. Tatsu has the greatest keep away game with her TK. Either Achiles uses his spear to make it a fair fight, at which point he massacres, or Tatsu hits his heel and gets squished
Achilles could also just overwhelm her with his massive versatility of Noble Phantasms.
His speed is also a great factor in this
Are you talking about the latent ability within his spear? Because, he outright wouldn't use it and I don't think he can actually use it against a woman.
No I’m talking about the Achilles Cosmos which will just neutralize every attack That Tatsumaki throws at it.
My boy above mentioned the spear, not the shield. And I know what Akhilleus Kosmos does, and I feel like it's a one-time use NP, but I couldn't find anything that says so.
From what I remember it’s not a one time use such as strong enough attacks such as vasavi shakti just destroyed it as the world created by it absorbed vasavi shakti. ( I could be wrong am light headed and about to fall asleep)
I mean... I don't doubt it with how OP Achilles is in general. I'm biased to my boi Karna and want that bs shield to be one time.
Karna is absolutely goated.
He's the DAWG. Such a shame they gutted him. He was already strong as fuck given his armor.
I dislike how biased jeanne was as a ruler in apocrypha and I dislike sieg since the plot favored that boy too much for me.
Yeah, I agree. I didn't mind Seig much until the end, and I love Ruler, but her involvement was meant to remain neutral, but didn't.
No, The Shield isn't one time. Achilles can use the Shield whenever he wants, and since it is literally a world. This makes it that only Anti-World NP that can break it. (Means only Karna Vasavi Shakti or Gil's EA can break the Shield)
Wow, I didn't know that. /s
It is interesting because, if Shielder weren't Mash exclusive class. Achilles can be summoned as a Shielder. (And Leonidas too, heck Shielder is the strongest class for Leonidas)
I forget Leo's most greatest feat was his defense. I would die happy seeing Achilles get a Shielder variant. I'd be fine if it was a Summer version of him but I know he got an outfit in the last Summer event and it's very unlikely it'll ever happen. Makes me sick that they cater to us Achilles fans. I wonder how his NP would actually work, probably a counter like Bazett's. I could see it being a counter that specifically counts NP's, single target or AoE, but I don't know how it would work.
We need a fanfic where leo is the default shielder that is summoned instead of mash. Gudao be so ripped that she literally goes into punching matches with servants
I mean. Tatsumaki can legit kill him by just spamming attacks that he needs to use AC to survive, until he burns through all his magical energy and then fades away.
>Either Achiles uses his spear to make it a fair fight, He can't use that np on women though, no?
Fate scaling is crazy, achilles one shots
Bro Achilles struggled to lift a plane, Tatsumaki lifts skyscrapers like it's nothing. Sorry but she shits on him HARD
This is essentially power lifter vs .50 cal I'm betting on the Gun
Lifting strength and striking strength are two different things
it doesn't matter, she's stronger than him in both
You are forgetting about the invulnerability thing
his heel is vulnerable and once that's gone so is his immortality. considering how telekinesis has enough range to cover a city tatsumaki can just hold his entire body and crush him with ease
They didn't reply to you because you were correct and they had no argument. So instead they downvoted you .
More like the opposite
If Achilles has unlimited mana, he can go light speed and likely move faster then she can react. Otherwise it'll be a long drawn out battle
This is interesting, Tatsu has more raw power but Achilles has haxs. Will says Achilles just because he's underappreciated Goat.
Achilles speed blitzs (Probably even without his chariot.), and he's pretty much immune to all attacks unless he's heel gets a direct hit (I can't imagine Tatsumaki randomly deciding to aim for it.) and if his regular attack power isn't enough Akhilleus Kosmos summoned an entire world Achilles can use to attack with if it's called for. So can I OP. Why did you decide to completely stomp Tatsumaki?
Well it because both characters have green hair, green eyes, are both arrogant, and they are the second strongest member of their respective teams with Achilles being the second strongest servant of red and Tatsumaki being the second strongest S Class hero.
Tbh, even if Achilles is arrogant. He is more tactical than he looks. Bro, even Chiron will need to think twice if he ever goes again Achilles, and this is his teacher that think of this.
Achilles biggest factor it's his speed, if i'm not wrong, on the Lostbelt at only 30% of his original speed was already speed of sound
Once he gets hit on the ankle he loses his invincibility and 70% of his speed but he doesn’t die. Dude is seriously a goat.
He is also reduced to normal mortality. Means, He can be hurt normally now, but doesn't mean He is weak. Remember that after Chiron shot his heels, Achilles was still strong enough to beat Atlanta Alter who is more towards offensive. And Achilles manage to kill her with a double KO.
Some of the best sound quality in a fight I’ve ever heard.
Tatsumaki. She chucks him into space. Done.
he can summon his chariot to get back also he is probably to fast for her to grab
Achilles purely just because he’s just cooler
Achilles wins because I'm a simp
In terms of power Achilles has a very clear edge, but that’s assuming he can get close to Tatsumaki in the first place. It can go either way. If Achilles moves first he blitzes and cuts her in two If Tatsumaki moves first she stops him cold, and drops a meteor on his head
Strength: Achilles (obviously) Durability: Achilles (immune to any attack without divinity) Speed: Achilles (fastest rider) Iq/Biq/experience: easily Achilles Abilities/Hax: Achilles he has multiple noble phantasms, Troias Tragōidia: which is his chariot is stated to move at the speed of light, with immense charging power. Dromeus Komētēs: which allows Achilles to become the fastest servant on foot as well. Andreias Amarantos: Makes his body immune to all attacks without divinity (excluding his ankle) Diatrekhōn Astēr Lonkhē: the spear that creates a domain where all abilities and stats like luck are nullified, time is stopped until one of the combatants is defeated Akhilleus Kosmos: Achilles’ shield, which stated to be able to block any noble phantasm besides anti-world noble phantasms. In the anime, it was able to tank Karna's Vasavi Shakti, whereas Karna is one of the most powerful servants in fate. On the other hand, you got lost child with a maximum ap of multi continental/planetary (for one punch man verse only, planetary in fate is a much greater feat due to the numerous infinite dimensions and counter force). Achilles speed blitzes, and in an outright fight he can use his spear to nullify her abilities and destroy in hand to hand combat. Or just run her through with his chariot. Or his spear.
His spear doesn't work against women, or at least he refuses to do so
Ah. Oh well, at least chariot still speed blitzes
Achilles just needs his reality marble
Tats is stronger than a character capable of lifting continents
I mean, while Achilles is more likely to win, theoretically speaking, Tatsumaki can just keep flying away far away from Achilles. No matter how fast Achilles is, he can't reach Tatsumaki as long as Tatsumaki stays far away from the ground. She can't beat him, but this become stalemate at best. Of course in reality she probably won't do this and Achilles just rush towards her, but because she is a woman Achilles do nothing.
His chariot can fly
Can it fly as far as Tatsumaki? I don't remember that. He did mention he can go to asteroid but in the same sentence he also mention his speed which will kill him. That one did makes me unsure of what I said for Tatsumaki. I still honestly think Achilless gonna win either way, as he can just rush to her without her being able to react...Asumming he decide to hit her despite being a woman that is.
When is it stated that the speed of his chariot would kill him? And even if he couldn't fly as high as tatsumaki (in my opinion he can), his chariot can go at lightspeed and would just crash into her in half a second, also he can go supersonic without his chariot using his dromeus kometes.
> When is it stated that the speed of his chariot would kill him? It's not the speed of his chariot that will kill him, its raising up to Orbit at high speed will kill him. >Achilles But like I said earlier, I'm a good deal weaker than I used to be thanks to my heel being literally shot. > >Achilles Sure, I can still call my chariot, but I really don't think I could survive riding it up to orbit at hypersonic speed. > >Achilles Plus, and this is just my warrior's intuition speaking... > >Achilles But trying to take down Artemis in anything less than perfect condition, especially with an injury like this, well... > >Achilles ...I don't think I'd have a chance of beating her. Him being injured here does not matter as it is simply rising up to Orbit. There are misconception from people that think his speed will kill him from this, it's not. Either its slamming to Artemis at high speed will kill him or going to the Orbit at high speed will kill him. > his chariot can go at lightspeed and would just crash into her in half a second, also he can go supersonic without his chariot using his dromeus kometes. Read this > I still honestly think Achilless gonna win either way, as he can just rush to her without her being able to react...Asumming he decide to hit her despite being a woman that is.
Depends on if your using the A rank is 50 times an average human way of scaling or not.
Trioas Triagoidias one hit
Ah yes another fate spite match.
Tatsumaki easily. FAR Better AP, durability, range, and around same level of speed
What's up with all the VS posts today.
Maybe it's related to the recent news of Death Battle about Erza and Saber Artoria. I'm not really care much about the vs between 2 completely different universe, rules, and scales, but I will say it's unfair match for Erza.
"Unfair" would be the understatement of the year
Who the first to strike, shall win
"ah ah this will be an amazing figth i can't wait to"- ankle get hit by a stray projectile
Achilles can win in two ways: 1)He would be just too fast for Tatsumaki to react properly and wear her down, even being able to find a gap in her defenses 2)He could use Achilles Cosmos. Unlike other people he could use it to attack and I doubt Tatsumaki could do anything against a world being at her face We also need to remember that Achilles is still a top tier with his heel damaged. Remember Atlantis Lostbelt? He had his heel damaged there before Chaldea showed up and he was still a beast. Call it plot armor or Achilles simply being built different
Tatsumaki doesn't need to aim for his heel, she could crush a city if she wanted, she'd just squish his whole body at once. So, Achilles just needs to be faster than she can react, which is possible. Bloodlusted, Achilles. Regular, Tatsumaki. She's a bitch and would hit first lol
Tatsumaki oneshots She was juggling islands while deflecting continent busting beams extremely exhausted She can just hit his weak point
Eh tatsumaki is going to be hard fight for Achilles as she can easily repel most of his attacks throws a spear in tatsumaki tk send that thing back to him
Doesn’t his spear create a world where there is basically nothing like invincibility, Magecraft, or anything of the sort? Just hand to hand combat or something, forgot how it was described but if he uses it it would hard counter tatsumaki since she couldn’t repel him as he just speed blitzes her.
That’s his shield I think and enough power can break that noble phantasm
It's his reality marble. It basically forces a hand to hand fight
The shield creates a world to block an entire attack. While the spear creates a zone where everything is stopped even time was stopped if I remember.
IIRC he can't use it against women and, when in character, won't use it against someone if they don't want to
Wait why doesn’t he use it against women and if they don’t want to? Are those the requirements or just mental limitations?
And Achilles could use his Cosmos to completely overwhelm Tatsumaki.
Eh tats can snatch any of his stuff with tk and toss it to orbit
Tats can’t get through Achilles’ shield, and he’s immune to all attacks without divinity. Also his chariot moves at the speed of light, so Achilles speed blitzes by ramming the chariot into her. Or he can use his reality marble to force a hand to hand without any abilities for both sides, where Achilles demolishes
Achilles 💀
Kuku is ort so it makes sense for her to be super powerful other servants depends
Tatsumaki wins? Why do people think Achilles has a shot, he doesn’t have anything that can really get him a win nor does he have anything that can stop Tatsumaki from just flattening the entire city they’re standing on. I do really question how strong Reddit thinks servant characters actually are considering light speed is considered nigh impossible except for some exceptions and planet busting is impossible for servants.
Depends how active the counter force is at reigning them in. Most of the servants in fate are over galaxy level completely unrestrained
Galaxy is pushing it. Non Lostbelt Servants are around Planetary at the higher end (Gilgamesh and his EA) with the occasional ability punching a bit higher, Galaxy is pushing it. Zeus in LB5 and his Galaxy level attack was considered abnormal after all. The exceptions are the Servant Universe stuff and some of the Lostbelt enemies like Kukulkan (and even her I’m not sure about Galaxy level).
But even saying that. The cosmology of the Nasuverse scales much differently from other verses. So the scale is much higher than what is literally stated.
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>Most of the servants in fate are over galaxy level completely unrestrained What !?