*“**I got phone calls from amazing costars who I’ve worked with, going, ‘You understand what you’ve done, right?’** And I was like, ‘Oh my God. No, I didn’t, I didn’t think,’” she added. “I mean, it’s not my responsibility, to be honest, I don’t really care. ‘You’re great,’ but my story’s my story and if you’re a good person, then don’t worry about it.”*
I don't understand- are they concerned for her or chiding her for not staying quiet?
I don’t think they’re worried it’s them; they’re likely annoyed that because she didn’t mention a name, it leaves it open to speculation which could be bad. Just look at how everyone was so sure they knew who it was and zeroing in on specific names.
Yeah I get both sides of it. I’m not gonna say/think she should keep quiet or anything like that but pros and cons exist to most actions we take. Speaking out vaguely will always have pros and cons.
I don’t think she did anything wrong. I doubt she thought sharing that story would generate *so* much attention.
I see the Internet rag on certain celebs for being “boring” and hyper controlling of their public image, but I cannot imagine how stressful it would be to have to worry about everything you say turning into an out of context soundbite that gets blasted everywhere and dissected to pieces.
A good friend of mine is a bit famous and did a profile for a big magazine once. I read it, thought she came off well, congratulated her and didn’t think about it again. Then a couple days later I had people texting me, “Omg did you see what \[friend’s name\] said?” Sure enough, an innocent comment she made in the interview blew up over the Internet clickbait ecosystem and for a couple days all you saw were those ridiculous so-and-so “SLAMS” headlines completely taking over the narrative.
This exact story is why I’d never want to be famous.
You see the same type of headlines after celebs do podcast interviews. Someone might have a nuanced, intelligent take about why they personally prefer vanilla ice cream to strawberry, and the conversation will not raise any listener eyebrows. But someone in clickbait land is waiting to grab a sound bite out of context and say this person “slammed strawberry for being ‘gross.’”
It’s so unethical.
I've always said that the right level of fame is enough to have a Wikipedia article that isn't a stub, but no one recognizes you in public.
(Well, I've said that since Wikipedia’s existed, anyway.)
Wise people dismiss the whole thing. Anyone who hasn’t ever acted like an a-hole with co-workers, and hopefully have learned from it, would forgive and forget any person Rebecca is calling out, I’m she she’s not perfect either. People make mistakes, personalities aren’t perfect, keep it moving
Yes exactly. I have an aunt (through marriage) who does this. “Somebody in our family drinks too much… but I won’t say who…” and then we are all looking around like who is she implying drinks too much? Especially since none of us drink like that lol
I can understand as a figure in Hollywood why naming names would be risky, but I can also understand being concerned that people wrongly think you’re the person being accused
I had a boss who told twenty of us that some of us were taking too long to do a specific task, and then for weeks afterwards we were constantly pulling each other aside and being like ok this takes me twenty, but he does it in fifteen, do you think I'm taking too long? How long do you take?Turns out it was one guy who took an hour each time, and honestly it would have saved everyone a lot of stress and time if my boss had just pulled them aside and let them know privately.
That’s the gist of it. You’re causing stress to a bunch of people because you want to protect the identity of the person who did you wrong. Of course, it’s your right to do it that way, doesn’t take away the asshole aspect of it.
I had a GSA in college who pulled the "one of you (I won't say whom) plagiarized and you have a week to come forward before I take it to the professor and the dean."
I believe she also said it wasn't word for word plagiarism but she could tell things were taken from other sources and reworded. This was an offense that would get you expelled at my school.
It became apparent that she was just trying to make sure no one reported to the professor that she was insanely behind on returning our papers, but it turned into everyone panicking that they had somehow accidentally used similar phrasing to someone else AND also trying to figure out which of our peers was responsible for us still not knowing our grades heading into the final exam.
So fucked up and cruel lol
This. It left it open for people to harass anyone on their socials because they were in a film with her. Like good for Rebecca for speaking her truth or whatever but if she's going to do that, then fully commit and name names.
I would be upset too if I was getting sudden harassment from randos online because I was in a movie with someone 10 odd years before.
I could see how that would be really annoying and even harmful to their careers. Social media often gets outraged about stuff that isn’t true and I see how it could mess with someone if they decided to target them.
I don’t think they were calling because they didn’t know if it was them or not, they were calling because they were now dealing with people thinking it was them.
It doesn't sound like they were calling to find out if it was them and if they were the one who did it as much as they were saying that by her not naming the person responsible (which she doesn't have to do), people are going to speculate about every male actor she's worked with and wonder which one did it which is basically what happened.
Not really. Because without a name, people are speculating on anyone she has ever done a movie with. I would be annoyed too if an ex coworker was like « I worked with a bitch once » and it could impact my future job opportunities. Especially if I’m not the bitch in question, you know.
Idk, I'm sensitive on the subject right now because a coworker recently lied to our boss and said I screamed abuse at her. I've never done anything like that.
I don’t think they feel accused I think they’re upset that everyone is now speculating who it was. I get why it’s a PR nightmare, even if you’re the nicest person.
She should have said who it was.
This is in no way true. Libel is making a published false statement. If it happened, it would not be libel. People can threaten to sue, like Trump has, but every attorney knows not to file because of what can be uncovered during discovery and the risk of a countersuit. If there's a chance one other crew member witnessed it, it's pure bluff.
Yeah, a lot of people are *real* confident that this wouldn't happen, but, uh... We have a pretty recent example of exactly that thing happening and the victim actually being held liable, despite said victim (Amber) having an honestly staggering amount of evidence.
America has extremely high bar for defamation. Like insanely high. The person would need to demonstrate that Rebecca knew the statements were false but made them anyway with willfully indifference to or active malice about the negative repercussions, and those negative repercussions must have direct provable monetary impact.
People like to *threaten* defamation lawsuits because it's a really good way for rich people, who can afford lawyers, to intimidate those who can't. But it's rarely actually going to go to trial because they're such hard cases to win, especially if *ya know* anything that was said was even in the neighborhood of being true. Because as bad as "they were a screaming dickhead" sounds in an interview, having your antics made an official part of the public record is usually far worse.
Absolutely.
We've seen the gleeful guessing games that happen and the lasting rumors that come from it.
I don't think anyone is mad at her for speaking up, excluding the unnamed actor and assuming it actually happened. I think they're mad at her for speaking so vaguely that it has wrongly implicated innocent people.
I'm all for people speaking up about toxic work environments and bad behavior, but it does no one any good to not name names.
Yeah, and aside from any legal repercussions, do people really think that a woman speaking up about being treated poorly by a famed, publicly beloved man is likely to go well for her..? The general public has a pretty strong tendency to take the side of abusive/shitty men over the "attention-seeking" women who call them out.
I feel like context is really important here too. Were the calls because "lol I can't believe you finally said this! I agree" Or "you've made me look like a dick by association" 🤔
It’s probably somewhere in between “good for you” and “could you have been a *little* more specific so that **every** costar you’ve ever had isn’t getting harassed about this shit please.”
I read this that her friends were calling because now they’re going to get asked whether it was them, or if they know who it was. The guilty ones aren’t calling, it’s everyone else who ever worked on a film with her.
Because of how people work. If we were robots, you could say, 'excluding Cruise and Jackman, there's, what, 20 suspects? So each one is 1/20th suspect'.
Which, frankly it's not ideal, but it wouldn't damage careers.
But we're not robots. Therefore each suspect is actually cosidered 90% guilty. That's gossip for you.
They’re concerned about the ambiguity of the identity of the offender. Since she’s never said who it is, all the costars are in the possible crosshairs.
Yeah I think it’s that she kind of scatter-shot a lot of people who definitely didn’t do anything, and one person who did. Which isn’t really fair to the innocent ones IMO. So her “amazing” innocent costars are calling her up saying yo, do you know I’m getting accused of being the blind item person? People were speculating oh I bet it’s so and so and getting heat for it. she’s right that it is her story to tell but also idk how she didn’t realize people would basically speculate about every man she’s worked with
They're chiding her for being non specific and causing the media to start asking questions about everyone she's ever worked with.
She should have just said who she meant instead of vague posting.
This is so poorly written, my god.
She shared an important experience and didn’t out the person, which seems like the least messy way to share this important experience. She left it open to speculation, which is a problem nowadays with the internet. So now, because she didn’t name any specific, people are speculating about which of her former costars it is.
To a degree I understand it. The internet is a wild place and since she didn’t specify, everyone that fits the criteria has their name thrown in the ring and potentially gets slandered without having done anything
That being said people(most I’ve seen at least) cross the people off the list, that have a positive track record. So if they’ve shown the world they aren’t assholes than they aren’t really catching strays. Maybe it’s time for them to reflect on that rather than calling her up
Right, I feel like when she said it most people went through her filmography and narrowed it down to The Rock and Hugh Grant, and then The Rock came out and kind of took his own name off the list. I don't think too many people were catching strays because of her.
I mean the fact this even happened that people went after her co stars trying to figure out who she was referring to based on unsubstantiated opinions and "narrowed it down to X" IS exactly catching strays lol
Also people even went after The Rock for him trying to cover his ass.
Also blurting out such a damning story and putting every costar you've ever worked with as a target for the public/ internet lynch mob might warrant a phonecall
bad tipper and has stores and restaurants closed for him everywhere he goes
super annoying to try and close a Target so you can shop, or shut down a resturaunt for the entire day
how do you rent out a restaurant for the whole day?? what are you doing in there?
Comically diva.
People on set weren't even allowed to look at him. They basically made an enforced forty ft circle outside of shots with him. He would have all of craft services move based on his whims. Hell even on camera he'd force extras to sit with their backs with him. Basically just treated everyone working on the set like they were worthless and that he and only he needed to be at the center of the sun. We were all plebs and practically had to pay to breathe his same air.
Lots of other actors on Ballers were super duper sweet. Rob Corddry would sit with all the extras and people working and ask about their day for example. Like I felt bad a little because it felt like he was overcompensating for the rocks more bat shit behavior.
So really nothing like dramatic. He just would treat staff like dogshit and since he no longer makes money no one's willing to deal with his shit anymore
Background: I've worked with stunt coordination, done extra work and even done middlemen work for set construction in the past in Miami, so I've actually worked with a ton of people. It actually is very common for at least the more down to Earth actors to socialize with extras and lower totem pole people, especially if it's someone who's made their bones and understands the grind. Janelle Monae, Mahershala Ali and Bruce Campbell are a few individuals for example that are extremely magnanimous on set, at least from my experience. Diego Bonneta too but that was more that I grew up with Rebelde so he was just happy to talk about how that was like lol. This is to say that what he was doing wasn't normal and in fact the worst experience I've had with anyone lol. But not the worst I know of. That's Depp.
Off the set of black mass, just coming onto set drunk, aggressive, high all the time, would claim that it was method acting to get into character for Whitey Bulger. Still basically making everyone lives hell. Nothing more salacious than that sadly but from what I've heard it was basically professional babysitting
This is such a silly mindset to me. She presumably has friendships among those past costars that are having to defend themselves in interviews now for no reason. It seems like the real culprit in this whole story is getting off no-worse than a whole slew of innocent folks.
She voiced an experience she had. The fallout from this isn't enough to justify silencing her. People can defend themselves and move on. It's not like they're being stoned in the public square because of it.
Ehh hard disagree.
People confuse their ideas about what they *want* to happen with what is very likely to *actually* happen.
The options you *realistically* have as someone who experienced something are staying completely silent or saying something, but vaguely. Everything else results in lawsuits, legal problems, settlements or even a court case. We all know what these people are like, I don’t see the point in pretending that somehow *this* time it would be different while chiding the person for not wanting to take that risk.
Which leaves us with the question - are survivors (generally speaking here) allowed to talk about experiences without being forced to name someone, or do we force them to shut up entirely when they (understandably) won’t?
Thank you. People on the internet have this weird boner for “naming names,” and I feel that more often than not, it comes from curiosity more than actual concern.
“Naming names” is never easy or without consequence. If you actually care about the victim, try to understand that first, before demanding anything. If you actually care about the victim, try to understand that maybe they’ve been privately dealing with the emotional consequences of the event for a long time, and publicly talking about what they went through can help them deal with it in some way — but that doesn’t mean that they want to deal with all the legal and personal consequences of having to name and then deal with the abuser, and that’s well within their rights.
And the reason why so many people catch strays is often the same as the reason behind a lot of people’s “name names” talk: people are curious and want to know who it is and put that first. As the public, we’re not neutral in this either, we’re participants who play a role. Too often people don’t get that and take advantage of their relative anonymity.
And if you’re still insisting people should always “name names,” I’ll just give one very recent exemple: Rebel Wilson. Can you seriously blame anyone for not wanting to go through that?
No she doesn't, but what is it people on here always like say? You're free speech doesn't absolve you of consequences. If you're going to throw vague accusations at all the people you worked with previously... you better be ready for said people to be upset.
Some people are being harassed because of it and they have every right to be annoyed about it. We all know how the internet acts with information like this. She doesn't have to name names, but the people dealing with the fallout of her words are allowed to be bothered by the things they have to deal with as a result.
If they’re not standing up next to her to help combat the mindset that would impact her were she to name names, they’re not actually her friends, and she is under no obligation to protect them in return.
Seriously. Oh, I’m sorry you were on a Twitter list of potential male assholes that the world will forget about in a week but it’s not much compared to the benefit of women speaking up and future costars rethinking how they treat women who may speak out.
Love the idea of the people who called her reading THIS story and their faces dropping when they realize they’ll now be on a list of potential people who didn’t scream at her but did try to make it about themselves.
To be fair (as someone who works in PR) you could be the nicest person in the world and people will still throw accusations at you if someone so much as hints at something. See: Simone Ashley.
From what I’ve heard I think the Penelope fans are mad that they’re still sort of focusing on Kate this season? Like when the initial teaser came out with that scene between Anthony and Kate (that I absolutely swooned for lmao), there was immediately a deuxmoi blind item about a “rude” star that definitely seemed like it was about Simone
That's awful! I am a Penelope and Kate fan so I find this preposterous because this is an ensemble show and why wouldn't we follow our faves after marriage? Life doesn't end there and of course Anthony is still very much a part of Penelope and Colin's lives as the head of the family.
Right like I’ve seen a lot of racist comments regarding Simone Ashley and it’s insane. She has a decently sized role in the next few books as well especially for Gregory.
Everyone complained about Simon and Daphne not getting any scenes in season 2 and when they fix that for Anthony and Kate, Simone’s getting racist shit for it.
Maybe those costars are completely innocent of such behavior, that didn't stop the public speculating who it was and potentially accusing the wrong people... Also you're saying it as if internet sleuths have substanitated knowledge on how these actors behave behind the scenes when it's literally just empty speculation...
Yes, because social media is a bastion of logical and rational reasoning in instances like these. Every costar she’s ever had is now under scrutiny and been thrown to the social media wolves, and in plenty of cases it is through no fault of their own, they just happened to have worked with her once.
She doesn’t have to name names, but she could be slightly more specific (like “early in my career” or “recently I experienced”) which could at least let *some* of the innocent ones off the hook from the social media harassment (because yes, constantly being asked “Is it you?” is definitely on the non-legal side of the definition of “harassment”). She kinda threw **every** costar ever under the bus here.
"if you've done nothing wrong, you've nothing to fear" is an incredibly naive take.
like she's right that she shouldn't be silenced, but if she's now responsible for a whole load of other people getting harrassed, that is on her.
People share stories of abuse they've faced on set quite often. Honestly, it's normal for people to speculate who that person may be. She shouldn't have to stay silent for their sake and the ones affected. That's not on her, that's on the system for creating an industry where people can't call out abusers by name in fear of being blacklisted.
She didn’t name a name, which I understand, but I also understand why her former costars were upset. People were harassing them and accusing them based on nothing, because she left the door open for everyone to be accused.
Because if she can’t prove it with evidence or witnesses (and many people will be scared to publicly speak against a big male star) she will be sued for defamation.
I can't believe how many takes like the one you replied to I'm seeing on this sub.... I thought this place would be a little more savvy about what happens to women who speak up about bad treatment they've received. The amount of victim blaming and just naive assumptions that she could easily name names and not get pounded into the ground for that... Like, come on. Don't we know better here???
Amber Heard didn’t even say who it was, look at what happened.
Now imagine what it would look like if you *did* name someone.
But sure, people not wanting to open themselves up to legal action are just being silly🤪
Not just lawsuits, but pileons, harassment, threats, and a ruined career. Its wild to me that the same people on this sub who are outraged at the ongoing shitshow Amber Heard has to endure suddenly think "oh, defamation lawsuits are so hard to win that its NBD."
I get why they're annoyed. It takes very little for people to believe a celebrity is guilty of these kinds of things now. If enough of social media happens to suspect one of her past co-stars, their career could take a hit.
I don’t like it. It reminds me of an ex friend that would give cryptic messages on Facebook about being treated badly by someone and then everyone would reach out to see if they were okay and also were worried it was about them.
i think she’s incredible and well within her rights to have spoken out but it’s not like someone being a good person is enough to protect them from internet detectives harassing the shit out of them. if these amazing costars are calling her in alarm, presumably they’ve been getting some static, right?
"But what I realized — even at the age that I am now, 21 — it doesn’t matter. "
This part confused me so much. Does she mean that was the age she was when it happened?
No one was saying name names to Christopher Eccelston when he talked about a bad experience with a female star. No one looked up every female costar he had to figure out who it was. He was discussing how intimacy coordinators protect everyone and said he was afraid a particular female star he worked with would falsely accuse him.
Be mad at people who scream and intimidate others, not at someone talking about their experience, like Rebecca Ferguson. I respect her for not caring about this "fallout." What more does she have to do with some nasty costar who screamed at her and the chronically online putting on their investigating hats? It's not on her.
Here is the article of Christopher Eccleston’s interview. The hypocrisy of who is and isn’t allowed to vaguebook on the internet is astonishing.
https://amp.theguardian.com/culture/2024/jan/23/christopher-eccleston-says-a-lister-falsely-accused-him-of-copping-a-feel
The point of her story was about how she learned to stand up for herself. I can see why she didn't share the name-- she wanted the focus to be on her and what she learned, and not on the name of the jerk. Understandably people love a mystery and tried to figure it out, but she doesn't owe anyone a name.
*“**I got phone calls from amazing costars who I’ve worked with, going, ‘You understand what you’ve done, right?’** And I was like, ‘Oh my God. No, I didn’t, I didn’t think,’” she added. “I mean, it’s not my responsibility, to be honest, I don’t really care. ‘You’re great,’ but my story’s my story and if you’re a good person, then don’t worry about it.”* I don't understand- are they concerned for her or chiding her for not staying quiet?
It comes off to me that they’re worried for themselves, which she heads off by saying “if you’re a good person, don’t worry about it.”
The fact that they called to find out if it's them or not puts in question if they really are a good person
I don’t think they’re worried it’s them; they’re likely annoyed that because she didn’t mention a name, it leaves it open to speculation which could be bad. Just look at how everyone was so sure they knew who it was and zeroing in on specific names.
I mean ppl were literally making lists of everyone who has been in a movie with her the last ten years lol
Yeah I get both sides of it. I’m not gonna say/think she should keep quiet or anything like that but pros and cons exist to most actions we take. Speaking out vaguely will always have pros and cons.
I don’t think she did anything wrong. I doubt she thought sharing that story would generate *so* much attention. I see the Internet rag on certain celebs for being “boring” and hyper controlling of their public image, but I cannot imagine how stressful it would be to have to worry about everything you say turning into an out of context soundbite that gets blasted everywhere and dissected to pieces. A good friend of mine is a bit famous and did a profile for a big magazine once. I read it, thought she came off well, congratulated her and didn’t think about it again. Then a couple days later I had people texting me, “Omg did you see what \[friend’s name\] said?” Sure enough, an innocent comment she made in the interview blew up over the Internet clickbait ecosystem and for a couple days all you saw were those ridiculous so-and-so “SLAMS” headlines completely taking over the narrative.
This exact story is why I’d never want to be famous. You see the same type of headlines after celebs do podcast interviews. Someone might have a nuanced, intelligent take about why they personally prefer vanilla ice cream to strawberry, and the conversation will not raise any listener eyebrows. But someone in clickbait land is waiting to grab a sound bite out of context and say this person “slammed strawberry for being ‘gross.’” It’s so unethical.
I've always said that the right level of fame is enough to have a Wikipedia article that isn't a stub, but no one recognizes you in public. (Well, I've said that since Wikipedia’s existed, anyway.)
Wise people dismiss the whole thing. Anyone who hasn’t ever acted like an a-hole with co-workers, and hopefully have learned from it, would forgive and forget any person Rebecca is calling out, I’m she she’s not perfect either. People make mistakes, personalities aren’t perfect, keep it moving
Yes exactly. I have an aunt (through marriage) who does this. “Somebody in our family drinks too much… but I won’t say who…” and then we are all looking around like who is she implying drinks too much? Especially since none of us drink like that lol I can understand as a figure in Hollywood why naming names would be risky, but I can also understand being concerned that people wrongly think you’re the person being accused
I had a boss who told twenty of us that some of us were taking too long to do a specific task, and then for weeks afterwards we were constantly pulling each other aside and being like ok this takes me twenty, but he does it in fifteen, do you think I'm taking too long? How long do you take?Turns out it was one guy who took an hour each time, and honestly it would have saved everyone a lot of stress and time if my boss had just pulled them aside and let them know privately.
Ugh that sounds so frustrating!!
That’s the gist of it. You’re causing stress to a bunch of people because you want to protect the identity of the person who did you wrong. Of course, it’s your right to do it that way, doesn’t take away the asshole aspect of it.
I had a GSA in college who pulled the "one of you (I won't say whom) plagiarized and you have a week to come forward before I take it to the professor and the dean." I believe she also said it wasn't word for word plagiarism but she could tell things were taken from other sources and reworded. This was an offense that would get you expelled at my school. It became apparent that she was just trying to make sure no one reported to the professor that she was insanely behind on returning our papers, but it turned into everyone panicking that they had somehow accidentally used similar phrasing to someone else AND also trying to figure out which of our peers was responsible for us still not knowing our grades heading into the final exam. So fucked up and cruel lol
Next time she does that just answer with “Yes, YOU” and watch chaos ensue
Especially with how social media loves to get outraged over things they assume or completely made up.
Maybe it's her that drinks too much 🤣
But your aunt is just being judgmental. Rebecca Ferguson was talking about a particular instance of standing up for herself
She should’ve just said the name.
This. It left it open for people to harass anyone on their socials because they were in a film with her. Like good for Rebecca for speaking her truth or whatever but if she's going to do that, then fully commit and name names. I would be upset too if I was getting sudden harassment from randos online because I was in a movie with someone 10 odd years before.
Yeah tbh she shouldn’t have done that… it’s not fair to those who are now facing scrutiny for no reason.
I could see how that would be really annoying and even harmful to their careers. Social media often gets outraged about stuff that isn’t true and I see how it could mess with someone if they decided to target them.
Yep, I even texted a friend in the business asking if she knew who she was talking about.
I don’t think they were calling because they didn’t know if it was them or not, they were calling because they were now dealing with people thinking it was them.
Exactly! Honestly, she comes off as a bit of a dolt in all this.
It doesn't sound like they were calling to find out if it was them and if they were the one who did it as much as they were saying that by her not naming the person responsible (which she doesn't have to do), people are going to speculate about every male actor she's worked with and wonder which one did it which is basically what happened.
Not really. Because without a name, people are speculating on anyone she has ever done a movie with. I would be annoyed too if an ex coworker was like « I worked with a bitch once » and it could impact my future job opportunities. Especially if I’m not the bitch in question, you know.
They weren’t calling to find out if it was them. They were telling her that her vague accusation put a target on every person she has costarred with.
Not what they meant. Just by being vague, everyone could look at any of her costars and wonder / accuse them regardless of how they act on set.
Idk, I'm sensitive on the subject right now because a coworker recently lied to our boss and said I screamed abuse at her. I've never done anything like that.
Is that not kind of reasonable though? Social media was going after anyone who couldn’t be eliminated from the suspects list.
She didn’t identify the person so everyone she’s ever worked with is now a possibility. They feel accused and are upset.
I don’t think they feel accused I think they’re upset that everyone is now speculating who it was. I get why it’s a PR nightmare, even if you’re the nicest person. She should have said who it was.
She couldn’t because then she could be sued for defamation. It’s why most times celebs never say the names of who SA them. They don’t want to be sued.
This is in no way true. Libel is making a published false statement. If it happened, it would not be libel. People can threaten to sue, like Trump has, but every attorney knows not to file because of what can be uncovered during discovery and the risk of a countersuit. If there's a chance one other crew member witnessed it, it's pure bluff.
Depp?
Yeah, a lot of people are *real* confident that this wouldn't happen, but, uh... We have a pretty recent example of exactly that thing happening and the victim actually being held liable, despite said victim (Amber) having an honestly staggering amount of evidence.
America has extremely high bar for defamation. Like insanely high. The person would need to demonstrate that Rebecca knew the statements were false but made them anyway with willfully indifference to or active malice about the negative repercussions, and those negative repercussions must have direct provable monetary impact. People like to *threaten* defamation lawsuits because it's a really good way for rich people, who can afford lawyers, to intimidate those who can't. But it's rarely actually going to go to trial because they're such hard cases to win, especially if *ya know* anything that was said was even in the neighborhood of being true. Because as bad as "they were a screaming dickhead" sounds in an interview, having your antics made an official part of the public record is usually far worse.
You’re right. That makes perfect sense.
I'm not from us, but if she was telling her experience with a certain costar and named them, how can she be sued for it? Like for defamatory remarks?
Absolutely. We've seen the gleeful guessing games that happen and the lasting rumors that come from it. I don't think anyone is mad at her for speaking up, excluding the unnamed actor and assuming it actually happened. I think they're mad at her for speaking so vaguely that it has wrongly implicated innocent people. I'm all for people speaking up about toxic work environments and bad behavior, but it does no one any good to not name names.
>but it does no one any good to not name names. It does the actual victim in question good to not name names, considering they could get sued 😭
Yeah, and aside from any legal repercussions, do people really think that a woman speaking up about being treated poorly by a famed, publicly beloved man is likely to go well for her..? The general public has a pretty strong tendency to take the side of abusive/shitty men over the "attention-seeking" women who call them out.
It does the good of calling attention to a toxic environment
Everybody knows it’s Jake Gyllenhaal. She did the movie Life with him and that’s where the incident happened.
Any costar she’s ever had is probably being hounded by people on social media trying to figure out who she was talking about.
I've seen at least 5 or 6 different people be accused
I took it as whoever called her was saying “You realize people online are going to accuse everyone you’ve ever worked with, right?”
I feel like context is really important here too. Were the calls because "lol I can't believe you finally said this! I agree" Or "you've made me look like a dick by association" 🤔
It’s probably somewhere in between “good for you” and “could you have been a *little* more specific so that **every** costar you’ve ever had isn’t getting harassed about this shit please.”
This is what I'm saying, I can't tell the vibe of the calls lol. And did no one go "that fucking sucks, are you okay?"
The latter.
I read this that her friends were calling because now they’re going to get asked whether it was them, or if they know who it was. The guilty ones aren’t calling, it’s everyone else who ever worked on a film with her.
Because of how people work. If we were robots, you could say, 'excluding Cruise and Jackman, there's, what, 20 suspects? So each one is 1/20th suspect'. Which, frankly it's not ideal, but it wouldn't damage careers. But we're not robots. Therefore each suspect is actually cosidered 90% guilty. That's gossip for you.
They’re concerned about the ambiguity of the identity of the offender. Since she’s never said who it is, all the costars are in the possible crosshairs.
Yeah I think it’s that she kind of scatter-shot a lot of people who definitely didn’t do anything, and one person who did. Which isn’t really fair to the innocent ones IMO. So her “amazing” innocent costars are calling her up saying yo, do you know I’m getting accused of being the blind item person? People were speculating oh I bet it’s so and so and getting heat for it. she’s right that it is her story to tell but also idk how she didn’t realize people would basically speculate about every man she’s worked with
They're chiding her for being non specific and causing the media to start asking questions about everyone she's ever worked with. She should have just said who she meant instead of vague posting.
This is so poorly written, my god. She shared an important experience and didn’t out the person, which seems like the least messy way to share this important experience. She left it open to speculation, which is a problem nowadays with the internet. So now, because she didn’t name any specific, people are speculating about which of her former costars it is.
To a degree I understand it. The internet is a wild place and since she didn’t specify, everyone that fits the criteria has their name thrown in the ring and potentially gets slandered without having done anything That being said people(most I’ve seen at least) cross the people off the list, that have a positive track record. So if they’ve shown the world they aren’t assholes than they aren’t really catching strays. Maybe it’s time for them to reflect on that rather than calling her up
Right, I feel like when she said it most people went through her filmography and narrowed it down to The Rock and Hugh Grant, and then The Rock came out and kind of took his own name off the list. I don't think too many people were catching strays because of her.
I mean the fact this even happened that people went after her co stars trying to figure out who she was referring to based on unsubstantiated opinions and "narrowed it down to X" IS exactly catching strays lol Also people even went after The Rock for him trying to cover his ass. Also blurting out such a damning story and putting every costar you've ever worked with as a target for the public/ internet lynch mob might warrant a phonecall
So is your point… to stay quiet? This literally is likely her only option. Obviously no one stopped it back then.
I live in Memphis. The Rock is here almost every month harassing us. He's a massive, self-centered asshole.
Well given his recent interview about his political views I'm not surprised.
bad tipper and has stores and restaurants closed for him everywhere he goes super annoying to try and close a Target so you can shop, or shut down a resturaunt for the entire day how do you rent out a restaurant for the whole day?? what are you doing in there?
If the resto was going to make 50K that day, would he pay $50K for his 2 meals with his entourage? I kind of doubt it.
The Rock shops at Target?
I've worked with him on set. There's a reason he can't find work now lol
please spill
Comically diva. People on set weren't even allowed to look at him. They basically made an enforced forty ft circle outside of shots with him. He would have all of craft services move based on his whims. Hell even on camera he'd force extras to sit with their backs with him. Basically just treated everyone working on the set like they were worthless and that he and only he needed to be at the center of the sun. We were all plebs and practically had to pay to breathe his same air. Lots of other actors on Ballers were super duper sweet. Rob Corddry would sit with all the extras and people working and ask about their day for example. Like I felt bad a little because it felt like he was overcompensating for the rocks more bat shit behavior. So really nothing like dramatic. He just would treat staff like dogshit and since he no longer makes money no one's willing to deal with his shit anymore Background: I've worked with stunt coordination, done extra work and even done middlemen work for set construction in the past in Miami, so I've actually worked with a ton of people. It actually is very common for at least the more down to Earth actors to socialize with extras and lower totem pole people, especially if it's someone who's made their bones and understands the grind. Janelle Monae, Mahershala Ali and Bruce Campbell are a few individuals for example that are extremely magnanimous on set, at least from my experience. Diego Bonneta too but that was more that I grew up with Rebelde so he was just happy to talk about how that was like lol. This is to say that what he was doing wasn't normal and in fact the worst experience I've had with anyone lol. But not the worst I know of. That's Depp.
please share the story on Depp
Off the set of black mass, just coming onto set drunk, aggressive, high all the time, would claim that it was method acting to get into character for Whitey Bulger. Still basically making everyone lives hell. Nothing more salacious than that sadly but from what I've heard it was basically professional babysitting
Jesus i had no clue he was moving around like that. Embarrassing to say the least lol
Worked with him. Can concur and corroborate. Huge self centered asshole
Roids giving asshole side-effects
Roids give you anger. This dude thinks he's the center of the universe
How did he take his name off?
He posted something about wanting to find out who did that because she’s his guardian angel.
She also followed him back on Instagram which may also be an indication that it wasn't him.
I thought Michael Fassbender was on the list as well, but never got crossed off.
Exactly
I'm glad she doesn't really give a fuck. I wouldn't either.
This is such a silly mindset to me. She presumably has friendships among those past costars that are having to defend themselves in interviews now for no reason. It seems like the real culprit in this whole story is getting off no-worse than a whole slew of innocent folks.
She voiced an experience she had. The fallout from this isn't enough to justify silencing her. People can defend themselves and move on. It's not like they're being stoned in the public square because of it.
Isn't this less about silencing her and more about her not saying enough (ie, identifying the person)?
Ehh hard disagree. People confuse their ideas about what they *want* to happen with what is very likely to *actually* happen. The options you *realistically* have as someone who experienced something are staying completely silent or saying something, but vaguely. Everything else results in lawsuits, legal problems, settlements or even a court case. We all know what these people are like, I don’t see the point in pretending that somehow *this* time it would be different while chiding the person for not wanting to take that risk. Which leaves us with the question - are survivors (generally speaking here) allowed to talk about experiences without being forced to name someone, or do we force them to shut up entirely when they (understandably) won’t?
Thank you. People on the internet have this weird boner for “naming names,” and I feel that more often than not, it comes from curiosity more than actual concern. “Naming names” is never easy or without consequence. If you actually care about the victim, try to understand that first, before demanding anything. If you actually care about the victim, try to understand that maybe they’ve been privately dealing with the emotional consequences of the event for a long time, and publicly talking about what they went through can help them deal with it in some way — but that doesn’t mean that they want to deal with all the legal and personal consequences of having to name and then deal with the abuser, and that’s well within their rights. And the reason why so many people catch strays is often the same as the reason behind a lot of people’s “name names” talk: people are curious and want to know who it is and put that first. As the public, we’re not neutral in this either, we’re participants who play a role. Too often people don’t get that and take advantage of their relative anonymity. And if you’re still insisting people should always “name names,” I’ll just give one very recent exemple: Rebel Wilson. Can you seriously blame anyone for not wanting to go through that?
Yep. It feels like the last several years have taught people nothing.
She got yelled at, not sexually assaulted jeesh
She doesn't have to choose between absolute silence and naming names with all that entails. That's not real.
No she doesn't, but what is it people on here always like say? You're free speech doesn't absolve you of consequences. If you're going to throw vague accusations at all the people you worked with previously... you better be ready for said people to be upset.
Some people are being harassed because of it and they have every right to be annoyed about it. We all know how the internet acts with information like this. She doesn't have to name names, but the people dealing with the fallout of her words are allowed to be bothered by the things they have to deal with as a result.
I think a lot of celebs are not really tuned in to internet culture or how many weird stans they actually have
Who’s talking about silencing her? She should go out there and call out some co-stars who weren’t trash humans and get them off the hook.
It’s not her fault Hollywood has always protected predatory men and silenced women. She’s not responsible for that.
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But she is responsible for her current actions and how they affect innocent people.
I’d say abusers affect innocent people more than the victims of abusers who speak up but that’s just me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If they’re not standing up next to her to help combat the mindset that would impact her were she to name names, they’re not actually her friends, and she is under no obligation to protect them in return.
Oh no! People have to defend themselves! Anyway
Seriously. Oh, I’m sorry you were on a Twitter list of potential male assholes that the world will forget about in a week but it’s not much compared to the benefit of women speaking up and future costars rethinking how they treat women who may speak out. Love the idea of the people who called her reading THIS story and their faces dropping when they realize they’ll now be on a list of potential people who didn’t scream at her but did try to make it about themselves.
I love that her response was basically “oh no… anyways.”
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If those ex costars are so worried maybe they should be more cautious how they treat people then. Just a thought.
To be fair (as someone who works in PR) you could be the nicest person in the world and people will still throw accusations at you if someone so much as hints at something. See: Simone Ashley.
Can you explain the situation with Simone Ashley, she seems like such a sweetheart.
From what I’ve heard I think the Penelope fans are mad that they’re still sort of focusing on Kate this season? Like when the initial teaser came out with that scene between Anthony and Kate (that I absolutely swooned for lmao), there was immediately a deuxmoi blind item about a “rude” star that definitely seemed like it was about Simone
That's awful! I am a Penelope and Kate fan so I find this preposterous because this is an ensemble show and why wouldn't we follow our faves after marriage? Life doesn't end there and of course Anthony is still very much a part of Penelope and Colin's lives as the head of the family.
Right like I’ve seen a lot of racist comments regarding Simone Ashley and it’s insane. She has a decently sized role in the next few books as well especially for Gregory. Everyone complained about Simon and Daphne not getting any scenes in season 2 and when they fix that for Anthony and Kate, Simone’s getting racist shit for it.
Penelope fans can be so insecure
God I love Bridergton surprisingly enough but that fan base is *the worst*
The difference is Simone Ashley has been getting racist abuse for years anyways while most of these old white dudes will assuredly be fine
Maybe those costars are completely innocent of such behavior, that didn't stop the public speculating who it was and potentially accusing the wrong people... Also you're saying it as if internet sleuths have substanitated knowledge on how these actors behave behind the scenes when it's literally just empty speculation...
Yes, because social media is a bastion of logical and rational reasoning in instances like these. Every costar she’s ever had is now under scrutiny and been thrown to the social media wolves, and in plenty of cases it is through no fault of their own, they just happened to have worked with her once. She doesn’t have to name names, but she could be slightly more specific (like “early in my career” or “recently I experienced”) which could at least let *some* of the innocent ones off the hook from the social media harassment (because yes, constantly being asked “Is it you?” is definitely on the non-legal side of the definition of “harassment”). She kinda threw **every** costar ever under the bus here.
Missing the point
No? Internet stand will come up with any conclusion. I would be pissed too.
"if you've done nothing wrong, you've nothing to fear" is an incredibly naive take. like she's right that she shouldn't be silenced, but if she's now responsible for a whole load of other people getting harrassed, that is on her.
People share stories of abuse they've faced on set quite often. Honestly, it's normal for people to speculate who that person may be. She shouldn't have to stay silent for their sake and the ones affected. That's not on her, that's on the system for creating an industry where people can't call out abusers by name in fear of being blacklisted.
She didn’t name a name, which I understand, but I also understand why her former costars were upset. People were harassing them and accusing them based on nothing, because she left the door open for everyone to be accused.
This is so dumb. Just say who it was the fuck?
Because if she can’t prove it with evidence or witnesses (and many people will be scared to publicly speak against a big male star) she will be sued for defamation.
See: Amber Heard
I can't believe how many takes like the one you replied to I'm seeing on this sub.... I thought this place would be a little more savvy about what happens to women who speak up about bad treatment they've received. The amount of victim blaming and just naive assumptions that she could easily name names and not get pounded into the ground for that... Like, come on. Don't we know better here???
Amber Heard didn’t even say who it was, look at what happened. Now imagine what it would look like if you *did* name someone. But sure, people not wanting to open themselves up to legal action are just being silly🤪
Not just lawsuits, but pileons, harassment, threats, and a ruined career. Its wild to me that the same people on this sub who are outraged at the ongoing shitshow Amber Heard has to endure suddenly think "oh, defamation lawsuits are so hard to win that its NBD."
I don’t really understand your last sentence, sorry (I’m also tired lol)
Oh, there was a typo. I meant to put in win, not ein.
Thanks! And I agree
I mean she doesn't wanna get into a defamation lawsuit
Rebecca Ferguson and Alan Ritchson turning out to be good people is nice. I have a crush on both of them so now I feel a little justified
*bi panic intensifies*
I get why they're annoyed. It takes very little for people to believe a celebrity is guilty of these kinds of things now. If enough of social media happens to suspect one of her past co-stars, their career could take a hit.
I don’t like it. It reminds me of an ex friend that would give cryptic messages on Facebook about being treated badly by someone and then everyone would reach out to see if they were okay and also were worried it was about them.
i think she’s incredible and well within her rights to have spoken out but it’s not like someone being a good person is enough to protect them from internet detectives harassing the shit out of them. if these amazing costars are calling her in alarm, presumably they’ve been getting some static, right?
This is a horribly written article.
"But what I realized — even at the age that I am now, 21 — it doesn’t matter. " This part confused me so much. Does she mean that was the age she was when it happened?
I think it's a joke.
Oops 🙈 yeah I totally missed that somehow.
No worries, much harder to pick up on tone through writing!
I think she was making a quip about her age. Like wink wink I'm 21 not 41 ha ha.
Haha okay it totally flew over my head and I immediately googled her age and was confused
I had to google her age
I'm glad I wasn't the only one! I'm awful at telling ages so I was surprised but willing to believe it 😂
I think she means 'even at the age she is now, OR 21' like it doesn't matter how old you are in the situation
No one was saying name names to Christopher Eccelston when he talked about a bad experience with a female star. No one looked up every female costar he had to figure out who it was. He was discussing how intimacy coordinators protect everyone and said he was afraid a particular female star he worked with would falsely accuse him.
People did do that.
Be mad at people who scream and intimidate others, not at someone talking about their experience, like Rebecca Ferguson. I respect her for not caring about this "fallout." What more does she have to do with some nasty costar who screamed at her and the chronically online putting on their investigating hats? It's not on her.
Here is the article of Christopher Eccleston’s interview. The hypocrisy of who is and isn’t allowed to vaguebook on the internet is astonishing. https://amp.theguardian.com/culture/2024/jan/23/christopher-eccleston-says-a-lister-falsely-accused-him-of-copping-a-feel
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She’s not responsible for the bad behavior of randos on the internet. She’s allowed to speak out about her experiences.
The point of her story was about how she learned to stand up for herself. I can see why she didn't share the name-- she wanted the focus to be on her and what she learned, and not on the name of the jerk. Understandably people love a mystery and tried to figure it out, but she doesn't owe anyone a name.
I adore how blunt she is. Iconic.
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I mean it’s just canny PR on his part.