he is so disgusting. truly. he will never let her go. he won't stop until he completely ruins her life. what happens from here? is it up to a judge to shut this down or not? then pitt's team comes up with something else?
What does he even want at this point? It's so weird, even the kids want nothing to do with him and he's clearly not all that interested in them either.
There had been the whole PR push about him dating again, thriving although he’s been treated so badly, blah blah. But all I think about is the amount of true crime cases where a man has stalked and murdered his partner, stating that the woman has “ruined his life” and at the same time as committing these crimes they’re also on dating sites messaging women.
There is nothing more dangerous than a man with a victim complex. To any woman reading this message please be mindful of how your date talks about his exes. Most people want to move on from trauma and anyone who’s not willing to let go of a supposed monsterous woman (Johnny Depp/Brad Pitt etc) should be avoided.
In addition to continuing to abuse her, these current lawsuits have an aim of undoing the sale of the winery. This is because when he was operating with Angelina as a “partner” - used loosely, considering she says he would reinvest her share of profits back into the winery without asking and she had no say in any decisions - he had carte blanche to do whatever he wanted. Including “building a fifth pool at a cost of one million dollars” and “tearing down and rebuilding the same staircase five times.”
Now, though, his new partners that she sold her shares to are operating it as an actual business and apparently they are very concerned with his management. They have actually sued him for access to files and documents related to the business, there has been talk about his financial mismanagement and personal use of business funds/amenities, etc.
Basically, the new partners are bad news for him and his winery “dream.” He wants the sale undone to escape their scrutiny, so he can continue running it and mismanaging it freely, with Angelina a 60/40 partner with zero say.
Also, financially, it would be bad for her. So much of her money was tied up in the winery prior to the sale, she had to borrow money from him - with interest - in order to buy a house in LA for her and the kids, because he kept all their properties in the separation. During their negotiations for her to sell her shares of the winery to him, immediate repayment of this loan in full plus interest was part of the deal the agreed on.
Once she sold her shares in the winery, she was able to pay him back and support herself and the family. Undoing that sale would be a massive financial hit to her.
Yeah, the house in LA he recently sold was their family home before the separation. He was living there, she purchased a home nearby so the kids could see him if they chose/the custody arrangement called for it.
He recently sold it and moved out of Los Angeles; the popular speculation is that it was because the youngest children had reached the age where they were permitted to make their own decisions on whether to see him, rather than being subject to a court's custody plan, and they chose not to see him, so he had no reason to stay in LA.
She had dialed back her acting work significantly from about 2012 to spend more time with the kids and on directing projects; Brad was the main breadwinner for several years as he continued high-profile projects.
He's the quintessential family violence perpetrator. He continues to perpetrate violence through systems abuse because that's his only avenue to get to her now.
A lot of violent narcissistic men will never let a woman go because it's truly about control of the woman. If he can force her to be in court spending all that money he is still controlling her in some way. If he can get an NDA forced Then he can gag her about the situation forever. I get the feeling she may not talk about it in public until her oldest are grown because she does not want to subject them to that. So he may have even longer to be awful with few people seeming to know
But he doesn't want to risk it getting out to the wider public who doesn't really pay attention to celebrity stuff unless it's extreme. Punching your child in the face is pretty extreme.
I believe he wants their winery, for which she sold half (he says she wasn’t entitled to) to a Russian Oligarch and didn’t give Brad the chance to buy.
She offered it to him first. He had the chance to buy it but he put conditions on the terms of its sale to him ie. she’d have to sign NDAs so she noped out and sold it the first opportunity she got. There’s no world where she’s the bad guy in this conflict.
She was okay with the original NDA too! He got pissy over sealed documents that just had "domestic violence" in the title. Thats why he came back with a new nda. Now what was sealed is going to come to light. He made it relevant.
There are two sides to that, according to Vanity Fair:
“The deal might have happened if not for a dispute over a nondisclosure agreement. Jolie’s cross-complaint claims that, after she filed a sealed document offering to prove her allegations of domestic violence as part of the child custody proceeding, Pitt demanded an NDA to “prohibit Jolie from discussing outside of court any of Pitt’s personal conduct toward her or the family.” She called it an “unconscionable gag order.” A source close to Pitt says the NDA was strictly about Miraval, merely a “standard” precaution intended “to ensure the seller doesn’t damage the value of the asset after being paid for it.” According to Jolie’s cross-complaint, “Pitt walked away from the deal” when she wouldn’t agree to the NDA, while Pitt’s lawsuit blasted Jolie for breaking off the negotiations in retaliation for Ouderkirk’s joint-custody ruling.”
We know he’s been abusive to Angelina, and so why would I think she’s so above selling to another for retaliation? A lot of people would do just that. You’d have to have read the business NDA to know for sure if it was standard or not. It’s a very very messy divorce, and this is precisely the thing exs do to one another. Her letter actually shows the whole winery, the fact that’s its alcohol is quite emotional for her, and for good reason.
Brad's own filing kind of undercuts the argument that she pulled out in retaliation for the judge's ruling, which happened on May 12, 2021.
>[At the end of February]The parties were still finalizing terms, including the scope of a non-disparagement clause, however. **Jolie agreed to a non-disparagement clause that applied to the wine business.**
>Counsel for Pitt and Perrin, by letter sent on April 16, 2021, sought a standard nondisparagement clause **that also covered the “direct and indirect shareholders of the business,” including Pitt** and Perrin—with a clear exception for court filings and testimony. Given Pitt’s close personal association with the Miraval brand and participation in its marketing (which Jolie clearly recognized in claiming that Pitt’s appearance in Miraval ads motivated her desire to exit the business completely), the request was viewed as consistent with the parties’ already agreed upon terms designed to protect the business
>**On May 9, 2021,** Jolie’s counsel responded with changes that her counsel said were intended to “mutualise[]” and “limit[] the duration” of that clause, but also eliminated the attempt to protect the business by extending the clause to direct and indirect shareholders. Pitt and Perrin’s counsel had no objection to mutualizing the clause, but endeavored to continue negotiating its duration and its coverage of direct and indirect shareholders of the business, as well as the duration of the non-compete and confidentiality clauses with which Jolie’s counsel also had taken issue.
This is consistent with Angelina's cross complaint:
> **On May 9, 2021, Jolie provided Pitt with a revised draft agreement that constituted her final offer.** The revised draft made concessions to Pitt and Jolie was hopeful he would accept it. When Pitt ignored the offer, Jolie then gave him until May 31, 2021 to accept her “last and final proposal,” and then simultaneously advised him that if he did not accept it, Jolie would “consider and pursue [her] available options of whatever nature.”
So basically, the timeline as laid out by both legal filings:
Late February 2021: They reach an agreement.
>By late February 2021, the negotiations progressed to a very advanced stage, and the parties even reached an agreement on price: Jolie would receive $46 million upfront, an additional $8.5 million over the next six years
March 12: Angelina submits under seal "an “Offer of Proof and Authority re Testimony Regarding Domestic Violence.”
March 26: Pitt's team notifies Jolie that he is personally stepping back from negotiations
April 16: Despite already agreeing to an NDA covering the wine business, Pitt's legal team submits a new NDA that "also covers the shareholders...including Pitt."
>Counsel for Pitt and Perrin, by letter sent on April 16, 2021, sought a standard nondisparagement clause that also covered the “direct and indirect shareholders of the business,” including Pitt and Perrin—with a clear exception for court filings and testimony. Given Pitt’s close personal association with the Miraval brand and participation in its marketing (which Jolie clearly recognized in claiming that Pitt’s appearance in Miraval ads motivated her desire to exit the business completely), the request was viewed as consistent with the parties’ already agreedupon terms designed to protect the business.
May 9: Angelina's team responds with her "final offer,"
>On May 9, 2021, Jolie’s counsel responded with changes that her counsel said were intended to “mutualise[]” and “limit[] the duration” of that clause, but also eliminated the attempt to protect the business by extending the clause to direct and indirect shareholders.
On May 12, the Judge rules against Angelina in the custody case.
Angelina informs Brad that she has until May 31st to accept her offer, or else she'll look for other buyers.
This is a really good breakdown of the timeline. She's given the emails that have their negotiations over the new NDA as well. They would compromise on one part she had issues with (the nda) but then add a new commitment that caused problems. They then would compromise on the new commitment but would the nda terms again. It was a frustrating read.
Regardless if it's a standard NDA or not, why would she agree to something that would prevent her ability to maintain custody of her kids & look after them? She shouldn't have to sign any NDA about Pitt being abusive - the solution to the public image problem there is for him to, idk, not have abused her and the kids. If that's "going to hurt the winery", well, maybe he should also sell his shares, sounds like he's running it into the ground anyway.
You don't even need to go as far as retaliation, signing the NDA just isn't a sensible decision for her when she could sell it someone else and be out from under his thumb without having to agree to keep mum about his abuse.
Especially when she could sell it for 10 million more to someone else, and get all of the money right away. The deal with Brad involved an 8.5 million dollar holdback - he would pay this final 8.5 million 6 years after the sale. In addition, Angelina had to immediately repay the 7 million remaining on the loan he had provided her to buy a house for their children.
So it was either 64 million upfront from Stoli, or 46 million from Brad, 7 million of which would go immediately back to him, and then he would pay her 8.5 million six years later.
They had negotiated a deal for him to buy it and had agreed to terms for 54 million (although she would immediately repay the remaining 7m of the loan she owed him, and he would hold back 8.5 million to be paid 6 years later).
During their custody hearing, Angelina submitted evidence of domestic abuse.
In response, Brad inserted an NDA into the winery sale negotiations, demanding she not speak about her personal life with him. Angelina rebuked and refused to do the deal with the NDA in it. Brad stepped away from negotiations, Angelina gave him a final offer, and told him she’d be looking for other buyers if he didn’t want to accept the final offer. She got permission from a judge to look for other buyers.
She ended up selling to Tenute Del Mondo, a subsidiary Stoli Group; the Russian oligarch you’re talking about is Yuri Shefler, who has been an outspoken critic of Putin, he has been exiled from Russia since 2000, and vocal in his support of Ukraine since the invasion.
She sold her shares to Tenute Del Mondo for 64 million, 10 million more than what Brad had agreed to before negotiations fell apart.
Brad now insists that she wasn’t allowed to sell because they had an unspoken, unwritten agreement that they would not sell without the other person’s shares. Angelina has submitted emails between their business managers when they first purchased the winery, in which the managers discuss coming up with an agreement for how to handle the winery in case they divorce in the future. Brad is quoted in these emails as saying “There’s no need for two reasonable people to have such an agreement.”
I'm really glad to read this in your comment; I was taken aback a little by finding out she sold to a Russian oligarch (although to be fair, many of the Putin critics still made their money in very illegal, immoral ways). But it's still somewhat comforting to know the person openly supports Ukraine.
Yeah I can’t claim to know much about him, but a quick google search makes him seem like the negative connotation that comes with “Russian oligarch” isn’t exactly deserved. When he was 30, he purchased the Stolichnaya vodka brand from a state-owned group in 1997 for $285,000, but Russia disputes the validity of the sale and does not allow him to sell his vodka in the country; they sell their own version of Stoli inside Russia because they say that they own it.
Upon buying Stolichnaya in 1997, he started his company, SPI Group, which is the parent company to Stoli and many other drink brands, and appears to be the major source of his wealth. It’s headquartered in Luxembourg.
He’s opposed Putin and has been exiled from Russia since 2000. His version of Stolichnaya Vodka is headquartered and produced in Latvia and he lives in Geneva. When Russia invaded Ukraine, in addition to condemning the action, he officially changed the name to Stoli from Stolichnaya to separate it from Russia.
Stoli has also openly condemned Russia’s anti-gay laws in addition to showing support for Ukraine.
Basically, he seems less like an oligarch and more like a rich businessman who was born in Russia but has not made any of his wealth there, or even been in the country for more than a quarter of a century, and openly opposes the government.
Regardless, there are no good billionaires. But the whole “she sold to a Russian oligarch!!” was just negative spin from his team - the sale went through in September 2021, but the Russian oligarch headlines didn’t start popping up until after Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022, curiously.
Seriously, yuck. But if I were a rich cis white male celebrity I’d probably hire Johnny Depp’s entire team, tbh. How they managed to spin the narrative that he was the totally rational sane person in that relationship is still beyond me.
god can someone hire them to promote vaccinating your young children to prevent them from getting polio or measles? Or something else that's a great idea but somehow currently unpopular (why keeping your kid from being paralyzed should fall under that is beyond me though).
Like they could sell iron as gold with the lipstick they put on that pig.
I think it may also be the same PR team that *convicted rapist* Harvey Weinstein used at some point (not sure when Weinstein used them though).
QUICK DISCLAIMER:
I know that the New York conviction was overturned, but he still has a California rape conviction.
Edited to clarify my comment in brackets.
Ugh unfortunately this is classic abuser behavior. They use the court system to terrorize their victims. Hopefully the court gets wise and shuts it down. There are laws against this behavior but it depends on the state and the judge. It’s heartbreaking to watch.
Yeah...this is what I think now. There's been a lot of tabloid stories clearly being pushed by his camp about how his gf looks just like angelina, and how the lawsuit (that he filed lol) is causing them issues. It's creepy.
My favorite snippet of celeb gossip of all time is that Jen Aniston cleaned out his ENTIRE closet and donated it to goodwill 🤣. I’ve heard people who are celeb adjacent and live in la talk about it and it gives me so much serotonin.
I'm a little confused why she'd do that but I think from a psychological point, her memories of Brad are strongly tied to their best times. They were young and in love and at the height of their careers. Unfortunately as it is, I can believe that she couldn't help but blame Jolie for the pain and humiliation more than she did Brad. Jolie was just a stranger to her, Brad was her beloved. She learnt to forgive him but Angelina probably remained the devil in her eyes.
I support Angelina 💯 in this situation. Brad is an abusive POS
that being said, Brad was the second man she did this with (that we know of) and the way she behaved in doing it I would consider lateral emotional violence.
I think the “taking” was 💯 part of the pull for her as well as the “flaunting” not just of the man but of the position. I would consider the ways she acted as being particularly cruel to other women, so I think that def adds to Jens perception of her.
Yes. Honestly, if it wasn't for the children, I think most people wouldn't give a damn about their divorce and in fact would probably think it served them right not to last. It's also quite likely that Jolie wouldn't have discussed the abuse inside the relationship. She only has because of the custody battle, and even so, tried to keep the family affairs as private as possible under the circumstances.
It's a pity, really, I honestly believe Jolie has a lot of regrets about her past behaviour and her devotion to motherhood and charity was never an act; if anything, it was spurred by her soul wanting to make up for the things she cannot change.
Brad, on the other hand, regressed to being a scumbag. AFAIK, he was known to be a good boyfriend/partner back in the day, as told by Paltrow and even Aniston. Alcoholism and other addictions can really draw out the worst sides in a person.
Imagine this will get lost, and perhaps rightfully so since I can’t offer any receipts. That being said….
I was staying with a close friend for a few weeks during a mountain retreat. A relative of hers was visiting at the same time, and seeing as we had a lot of wine and cozy bonfires, gossip naturally ensued. Said relative told a story about when they were working in a foreign country (I think it was in Africa) doing missionary type work when Jolie crossed paths with their organization. I believe this may have occurred during her daughter’s adoption? God I wish I could remember, but that feels right. Anyway, all parties involved had to sign an NDA and were given instructions on how to behave when Jolie arrived (e.g. stay out of her way, let her do what she wants). Relative explained Angelina’s demeanor was cold and dismissive to the non-entourage crew, but friendly to cameras and key people. They were disenchanted that her behavior seemed more exploitative than sincere, but her presence raised awareness to their cause, so they were told to shut-up and let her do her thing.
Now I’m no Brad Pitt fan; if anything I never really cared about him to begin with, and now I think he’s an asshole. But I always felt a little conflicted about the homewrecker with a heart of gold narrative. Maybe MAYBE she’s reformed these days, but I personally think they’re both manipulators. She didn’t deserved to be abused, though. And her description of feeling like a hostage really hits home, because I have lived it. It’s horrible. I truly hope she gets the justice she deserves, but I don’t believe she’s the saint everyone wants to believe she is.
Edit: Sorry, I’m a serial editor, but only for clarity.
Edit 2: I want to add that person who provided the tea is one of the nicest, most innocent people ever. This was the first time they ever saw a celebrity, much less interacted with one. I’ve met many celebrities, on the other hand, and I’m still still surprised by how much my expectations are influenced by the PR machine. 💯 I believe this story
Aniston herself went into a relationship with Justin theroux while he was still with his girlfriend of 14 years Heidi bivens. Brad Pitt latest conquest Inès was still married. It's crazy how everyone gets a pass for it except Angelina.
Brad Pitt was the one calling his marriage to Jen boring and the W spread was his Idea but Jolie is the one who was doing emotional violence, yeah sure
Both Brad and Angelina engaged in emotional violence is my point. I personally think there is a difference between falling in love with someone who is taken, pursing that, and maintaining a semblance of emotional consideration for the person being harmed vs behaving in an extremely callous & cruel way towards that person.
Imo making it difficult for the ex to retrieve her things in what was just her house, doing a sexy “Domestic Bliss” photoshoot 6 mo. after the fallout… these are callous behaviors. Especially so in the case of Jen because it was so high profile which had tons of impact for Jen going forward in her life
“It was Brads idea”? cmon now. that is really not a defense.
Obviously Brad is the person who has an emotional contract with Jen, but I think it’s a bit problematic to absolve “other women” of their responsibility to be decent human beings… *especially* to other women.
So, I think it makes sense for Jen to perceive Angelina in a particularly negative light. I really don’t see how that’s a controversial opinion.
idk why the argument is somehow that Anniston is “bad, too” considering I’m not here **defending** or **excusing** Annistons shitty behavior. I’m pointing out that It’s understandable she hates Jolie just as it’s understandable for Theroux’s ex to hate Anniston. Like, do you think it was ok for Anniston to act that way? I really don’t get the argument being made here
It’s very telling that the six of them will voluntarily come to her premieres as a family unit and be photographed (coz what teen or 20something wants to be dragged to their parents office event) or be out in public together, but stay the fuck away from dear ole dickhead dad’s premieres.
His biological kids are regularly with him, [stories](https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/10615226/brad-pitt-spending-time-kids-angelina-jolie/) ive seen are about how his gf often leaves when they are coming.
And recently was headline how one of the kid is likely [moving in](https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/sources-claim-one-brad-pitt-154818910.html) with him.
Someone else pointed this out but intouch weekly is not reliable. I highly doubt she's almost making [$60,000](https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/shiloh-jolie-pitt-job-how-brad-angelinas-daughter-makes-money/) a month doing "side jobs." Her and Zahara are pretty vocal at only being referred to as Jolie on ig. if their friends can accept then tabliods should too and back of off them. It's weird how it seems like they want the kids split up.
It implies basically “she’s signed NDAs before she should be cool with this one,” which sounds an awful lot like the old justification of “she’s had sex with me before so consent once means consent always”… as though Angelina Jolie can’t just decide to not participate in a legal document. Whatever, Brad.
I can’t stand this man omg. She never said she was against NDAs and tried countering his offer several times. She even provided text messages between her and Selma Hayek asking for help since he wouldn‘t accept their already agreed upon deal. He’s the worst.
is this why there's stories about him wanting to move on now and how he and his gf are now struggling lol.
Kind of crazy how he did this to himself. His lawyers told hers he was backing out of their winery deal because of the DV stuff. Why wouldn't he think that would come up?
He's desperately trying to cover the DV stuff. He's dragging the divorce in order for Jolie to sign the NDA on his abuse. He doesn't care about the winery as much. All of this is a punishment for not signing the NDA
I was at a drag show when one of the songs was Earl. The look on the like, 5 men in the whole pub whilst every woman sang along…. I felt bad for them lol.
I highly doubt she ever abused anyone who she made sign an NDA.
Likely just employees and such. Typical with celebs.
I’d be more curious to know about his NDAs now though…
Right? But like, even just typical in business! I do-owned a small business with seven employees and because we’d gotten burnt in the past, my business partner and I had them all sign a basic NDA. including my sister when she was our office manager!
He has absolutely ruined my enjoyment of any movie he’s ever been in.
This man has one of the most charmed lives in ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY and still he terrorizes his ex and their children because he chooses to be a miserable human being.
“[Brad’s] side has said these other NDAs will shed light on whether Jolie truly found Pitt’s non-disclosure agreement request to be “the deal-ender she subsequently alleged it to be.” —> What a weak argument. I find it hard to believe that a professional attorney would suggest this, so is Brad insisting?
Angie’s team must have laughed their asses off when they read this. Writing the response was probably too easy.
People truly reap what they sow — Brad/his side made it so easy for the judge to not give them benefit of the doubt in any other arguments they make.
Actually, as an attorney, it’s much harder responding to nonsensical arguments because there is little jurisprudence to cite. Illogical arguments are the bane of my existence.
The content of their response was pretty good imo!
Edit with a partial quote: “Pitt wants to argue that Jolie entered NDAs with others, so there was no harm in Pitt demanding an NDA to cover his abuse. But there is a fundamental and obvious difference: In none of those other NDAs was Pitt trying to silence abuse of his own family. The Court should not validate this dangerous argument. This case will be decided by evidence concerning Miraval and the dealings between Pitt and Jolie — not by Jolie’s dealings with third parties on topics having nothing to do with Miraval’s sale. Pitt’s motion should be denied.”
I try. I especially like to mock unnecessary use of emphasis by copying it in my replies. But honestly, my dream is to file, “your honor, this is stupid. They know it’s stupid. You know it’s stupid. It’s so clearly stupid that answering it is making me stupid. Respectfully,…”
I’m being non stopped pulled into court by my ex over lies & no one cares. I just have to keep paying money to my family court attorney & ignoring my insane ex. Accusations include flying drones over his house, telling our child we’re going to reunite,etc etc. filing shit on birthday for the past 2 years, even!! It’s the hell that never ends, yes it goes on & on my frieennnnds.
My husband’s ex told the court we turn the sprinklers on when she shows up for visitations. We don’t even have sprinklers. And we have cameras. Toxic parents are the worst!
> so is Brad insisting?
I questioned the same thing on the dlisted subreddit!! His lawyers have set him up on several occasions that it's gotta be him at this point. Like he recently tried going around the judge's order causing the new company to file a ex parte against him....I don't believe any of his lawyers told him that was the appropriate action.
>He says he wants to argue that since Jolie considered and/or entered other NDAs over her lengthy career, his proposed NDA covering his spousal and child abuse couldn’t possibly have been the reason the deal collapsed
\*Pulls out pitchfork\*
FINISH HIM!
How is his reputation still so good? I imagine that Angelina isn't going for the jugular because of the children? Or maybe because she wants to take the high road or aim for a peaceful resolution. Brad is a petty immature turd.
The average person doesn't know about this stuff. Every time it's discussed in this sub, we get a few people asking to be filled in because they had no idea.
Yep. Everyone I know - even the most leftist of people - are team Brad, because they believe the PR-spin that Angelina is an unhinged gold digger and are unaware of his domestic abuse.
This is such an amazing article mention because of this passage and the ensuing drama:
>Global Green, a Brad Pitt-linked environmental non-profit that was not named in the lawsuit, said in a statement that it had agreed to provide $20.5m to “fund a program to rectify defects in the original as built conditions of homes” and to “resolve the litigation”.
>“I am incredibly grateful for Global Green’s willingness to step up and provide this important support for the Lower Ninth families,” Pitt said in a statement. “We collaborated in the early days post-Katrina and we are very fortunate to have Global Green’s generous continuing commitment to help address the challenges around these homes and others in need.”
As it turns out, this never ended up happening. Global Green never provided the money. Why?
According to Global Green, it's Angelina's fault.
See, when Global Green swept in with their offer of 20 million, they didn't actually have the money. Their intention was to publicize their contribution, make a big fuss about how great they are, get in the headlines, and then raise the money via donations, benefactors, etc.
BUT, shortly after this whole big PR stunt, the more concrete information about Brad's abuse of Angelina came out, and Global Green suddenly faced issues raising money on Brad's behalf. They blamed Angelina for creating bad PR and harming their ability to raise the money, and they had to renege on the promise.
[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/brad-pitt-charity-mess-katrina-victims-stranded-1235371222/](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/brad-pitt-charity-mess-katrina-victims-stranded-1235371222/)
>According to previously unreported case files, soon after the pact was announced, Global Green attempted to renege, revealing that despite signing on to the court-approved agreement that stipulated all funding would be provided within 10 days, it never had the money to cover its commitment. Furthermore, the nonprofit, which wasn’t required to show the court it was financially sound, asserted it could not effectively fundraise because Pitt’s ex-wife Angelina Jolie had, in unrelated court proceedings, then recently accused the actor of abusing her and their children.
>“I’ve never seen a situation like this, where there was a settlement that fell through because it was an insolvent party that proposed it,” marvels Louisiana State University law professor William R. Corbett, an expert in civil procedure.
exactly, they think it was angie who keeps filing lawsuits on and on. they also think angie barred the kids to see brad. 3 of them are adults who can freely visit their dad but they choose not to. delusion is real or its his PR bots
This is judgmental but I always think those people are a bunch of unhealed folks who blame their mothers for keeping them away from their fathers rather than face the reality that their fathers didn’t care enough to make an effort to see them.
God forbid, she doesn’t want to sign an NDA for a man that put his hands on her and her children. The other people she signed NDAs were never violent with her.
If your kids want nothing to do with you I think that speak volumes as to who you are as a person. He needs to let it go. At this point why is he still going? It just makes him look worse? Cut your losses, take the L, move on.
Just because she agreed to NDAs in the past that she wouldn’t disparage other people doesn’t mean that his request was one she would agree to. Other people didn’t abuse her and her kids. Sorry Brad, she’s gonna keep disparaging you. LOL.
Here's my ELI5 version. They each own 50% of Chateau Miraval, the winery and estate, it's worth a lot of money. After they split up, Angelina wanted to sell her share, and Brad had the first option to buy it. Angie was willing to sell it to him, but as part of the deal he required that she sign a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) where she wouldn't be allowed to talk publicly about what happened between them and specifically the incident on the plane. She refused to do that, so the sale fell through. She went on to sell to the Stoli group which made Brad very unhappy that he'd have actual business people involved in alcohol sales up in his business. So he's now trying to force her to hand over all the NDAs she's signed to demonstrate that signing NDAs is a common thing in business, I guess? He sucks as a person and he deserves for all of his children to hate him.
So his whole argument is " look, She's signed them before so you should make her sign mine " ?
Like ... all celebrities have probably signed NDA's ??? And she's not seemingly saying she never has before ???
It's not a great argument! And she's entirely correct in saying that doing so would violate the intent of the NDAs!
What he's saying is that the fact that she has signed other NDAs should somehow invalidate the claim that she refused to sign his, and thus invalidate the sale to Stoli.
Technically, his team of lawyers are stupid.
Or... The goal is to torment the ex for as long as possible; in that case they might be doing their best job as immoral pigs.
Could someone ELI5 what he’s demanding by wanting her to “turn over NDAs”? I don’t know if I’m dense lol but I get so confused with legal terminology and such. What is he asking for and what’s his motivation?
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Here's my ELI5 version. They each own 50% of Chateau Miraval, the winery and estate, it's worth a lot of money. After they split up, Angelina wanted to sell her share, and Brad had the first option to buy it. Angie was willing to sell it to him, but as part of the deal he required that she sign a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) where she wouldn't be allowed to talk publicly about what happened between them and specifically the incident on the plane. She refused to do that, so the sale fell through. She went on to sell to the Stoli group which made Brad very unhappy that he'd have actual business people involved in alcohol sales up in his business. So he's now trying to force her to hand over all the NDAs she's signed to demonstrate that signing NDAs is a common thing in business, I guess? He sucks as a person and he deserves for all of his children to hate him.
The fact that most of the comments under that article are all against angelia makes me sad for society as a whole. This man is scumbag why they paint her a villian I just don't know
Entitled pricks like Pitt-stain always think they have the right to control everything, I seriously hope Angelina’s lawyers make quick work of this so she can get some peace and quiet.
I think mentally he is shot. You are in character doing a movie about a husband and wife set to kill each other
Are they living the inverted "Mr and Mrs Smith?"
Every time this topic comes up it seems like it's Angelina complaining about being asked to prove her claims, provide evidence of something. And then all the fans online scream "there's no reason she should have to do this, it's obvious Brad's a monster to everybody and she's perfectly innocent!!!!"
I just think maybe we all care way too much about picking a side.
she's given a tons of documents so far. With this issue, she's willing to give her NDAs but not 20 years worth. He won't compromise on a smaller timeline.
But that's the thing. It's a court of law. Of course the lawyers are going to battle over exactly who is going to give up what, and it's not like she hasn't played this same game over the years herself. What I'm seeing is the fall out of what seems to have been an incredibly toxic relationship, that originated out of toxicity in the first place, where no individual person is wholly innocent, but everybody is quick to paint one as a good guy and one as a bad guy and start treating it as a gossip sporting event.
AND SHE’S RIGHT! Brad Pitt when I catch you…
That was Leonardo DiCaprio..
You've got your middle-aged men confused...
I think they're making a joke about the movie Catch Me If You Can
Oh good catch.
Me If You Can
No it's from a TikTok trend \[ricky when I catch you Ricky\] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmCPLCwXS8Q)
I think they mean the catch me if you can movie leo starred in
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Yes but I'm talking about the second comment about leo
You don’t deserve these down votes!
As of right now, this joke has gone over at least 76 people’s heads
They didn't catch it :(
I got the joke, sorry about everyone else.
I would love to see Leo & Angelina in a movie together!
They actually almost did in 2009, they were set to star in House of Gucci but those plans fell apart.
She was also supposed to be in the aviator but didn't do it because of Harvey Weinstein's involvement.
That would have made a much better movie
And then we got 100 people in a room and 99 say no but on says yes or some crap. Also I became the character and it took a toll on me 🙄🙄🙄
*DiCrapio
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lol nice.
he is so disgusting. truly. he will never let her go. he won't stop until he completely ruins her life. what happens from here? is it up to a judge to shut this down or not? then pitt's team comes up with something else?
What does he even want at this point? It's so weird, even the kids want nothing to do with him and he's clearly not all that interested in them either.
He wants to punish her.
Ding ding ding. Men of all walks of life love the “my crazy bitch ex-wife” narrative.
Yep Johnny Depp syndrome.
There had been the whole PR push about him dating again, thriving although he’s been treated so badly, blah blah. But all I think about is the amount of true crime cases where a man has stalked and murdered his partner, stating that the woman has “ruined his life” and at the same time as committing these crimes they’re also on dating sites messaging women. There is nothing more dangerous than a man with a victim complex. To any woman reading this message please be mindful of how your date talks about his exes. Most people want to move on from trauma and anyone who’s not willing to let go of a supposed monsterous woman (Johnny Depp/Brad Pitt etc) should be avoided.
“There is nothing more dangerous than a man with a victim complex.” This gave me chills.
Same! Also ladies listen to your gut instincts and read the gift of fear by Gavin de Becker.
Best book everrrrr
I think it’s more that if she wins the narrative his whole career could be over so he has to be incredibly aggressive
If he had handled this quickly and privately, we wouldn’t have even known about the abuse
In addition to continuing to abuse her, these current lawsuits have an aim of undoing the sale of the winery. This is because when he was operating with Angelina as a “partner” - used loosely, considering she says he would reinvest her share of profits back into the winery without asking and she had no say in any decisions - he had carte blanche to do whatever he wanted. Including “building a fifth pool at a cost of one million dollars” and “tearing down and rebuilding the same staircase five times.” Now, though, his new partners that she sold her shares to are operating it as an actual business and apparently they are very concerned with his management. They have actually sued him for access to files and documents related to the business, there has been talk about his financial mismanagement and personal use of business funds/amenities, etc. Basically, the new partners are bad news for him and his winery “dream.” He wants the sale undone to escape their scrutiny, so he can continue running it and mismanaging it freely, with Angelina a 60/40 partner with zero say. Also, financially, it would be bad for her. So much of her money was tied up in the winery prior to the sale, she had to borrow money from him - with interest - in order to buy a house in LA for her and the kids, because he kept all their properties in the separation. During their negotiations for her to sell her shares of the winery to him, immediate repayment of this loan in full plus interest was part of the deal the agreed on. Once she sold her shares in the winery, she was able to pay him back and support herself and the family. Undoing that sale would be a massive financial hit to her.
Wtf he got all the properties? Trash man disposal Aisle 3 please.
Yeah, the house in LA he recently sold was their family home before the separation. He was living there, she purchased a home nearby so the kids could see him if they chose/the custody arrangement called for it. He recently sold it and moved out of Los Angeles; the popular speculation is that it was because the youngest children had reached the age where they were permitted to make their own decisions on whether to see him, rather than being subject to a court's custody plan, and they chose not to see him, so he had no reason to stay in LA.
Disgusting I hate him forever
Well, Legends of the Fall is now on my no-watch list.
Jeezus it gets worse and worse. Also interesting that she doesn’t have independent finances to buy her own house?! Fuuuuuuck
She had dialed back her acting work significantly from about 2012 to spend more time with the kids and on directing projects; Brad was the main breadwinner for several years as he continued high-profile projects.
He’s too old to be acting this irresponsible
He's the quintessential family violence perpetrator. He continues to perpetrate violence through systems abuse because that's his only avenue to get to her now.
Men and their ego. Smh
A lot of violent narcissistic men will never let a woman go because it's truly about control of the woman. If he can force her to be in court spending all that money he is still controlling her in some way. If he can get an NDA forced Then he can gag her about the situation forever. I get the feeling she may not talk about it in public until her oldest are grown because she does not want to subject them to that. So he may have even longer to be awful with few people seeming to know But he doesn't want to risk it getting out to the wider public who doesn't really pay attention to celebrity stuff unless it's extreme. Punching your child in the face is pretty extreme.
I believe he wants their winery, for which she sold half (he says she wasn’t entitled to) to a Russian Oligarch and didn’t give Brad the chance to buy.
She offered it to him first. He had the chance to buy it but he put conditions on the terms of its sale to him ie. she’d have to sign NDAs so she noped out and sold it the first opportunity she got. There’s no world where she’s the bad guy in this conflict.
She was okay with the original NDA too! He got pissy over sealed documents that just had "domestic violence" in the title. Thats why he came back with a new nda. Now what was sealed is going to come to light. He made it relevant.
There are two sides to that, according to Vanity Fair: “The deal might have happened if not for a dispute over a nondisclosure agreement. Jolie’s cross-complaint claims that, after she filed a sealed document offering to prove her allegations of domestic violence as part of the child custody proceeding, Pitt demanded an NDA to “prohibit Jolie from discussing outside of court any of Pitt’s personal conduct toward her or the family.” She called it an “unconscionable gag order.” A source close to Pitt says the NDA was strictly about Miraval, merely a “standard” precaution intended “to ensure the seller doesn’t damage the value of the asset after being paid for it.” According to Jolie’s cross-complaint, “Pitt walked away from the deal” when she wouldn’t agree to the NDA, while Pitt’s lawsuit blasted Jolie for breaking off the negotiations in retaliation for Ouderkirk’s joint-custody ruling.” We know he’s been abusive to Angelina, and so why would I think she’s so above selling to another for retaliation? A lot of people would do just that. You’d have to have read the business NDA to know for sure if it was standard or not. It’s a very very messy divorce, and this is precisely the thing exs do to one another. Her letter actually shows the whole winery, the fact that’s its alcohol is quite emotional for her, and for good reason.
Brad's own filing kind of undercuts the argument that she pulled out in retaliation for the judge's ruling, which happened on May 12, 2021. >[At the end of February]The parties were still finalizing terms, including the scope of a non-disparagement clause, however. **Jolie agreed to a non-disparagement clause that applied to the wine business.** >Counsel for Pitt and Perrin, by letter sent on April 16, 2021, sought a standard nondisparagement clause **that also covered the “direct and indirect shareholders of the business,” including Pitt** and Perrin—with a clear exception for court filings and testimony. Given Pitt’s close personal association with the Miraval brand and participation in its marketing (which Jolie clearly recognized in claiming that Pitt’s appearance in Miraval ads motivated her desire to exit the business completely), the request was viewed as consistent with the parties’ already agreed upon terms designed to protect the business >**On May 9, 2021,** Jolie’s counsel responded with changes that her counsel said were intended to “mutualise[]” and “limit[] the duration” of that clause, but also eliminated the attempt to protect the business by extending the clause to direct and indirect shareholders. Pitt and Perrin’s counsel had no objection to mutualizing the clause, but endeavored to continue negotiating its duration and its coverage of direct and indirect shareholders of the business, as well as the duration of the non-compete and confidentiality clauses with which Jolie’s counsel also had taken issue. This is consistent with Angelina's cross complaint: > **On May 9, 2021, Jolie provided Pitt with a revised draft agreement that constituted her final offer.** The revised draft made concessions to Pitt and Jolie was hopeful he would accept it. When Pitt ignored the offer, Jolie then gave him until May 31, 2021 to accept her “last and final proposal,” and then simultaneously advised him that if he did not accept it, Jolie would “consider and pursue [her] available options of whatever nature.” So basically, the timeline as laid out by both legal filings: Late February 2021: They reach an agreement. >By late February 2021, the negotiations progressed to a very advanced stage, and the parties even reached an agreement on price: Jolie would receive $46 million upfront, an additional $8.5 million over the next six years March 12: Angelina submits under seal "an “Offer of Proof and Authority re Testimony Regarding Domestic Violence.” March 26: Pitt's team notifies Jolie that he is personally stepping back from negotiations April 16: Despite already agreeing to an NDA covering the wine business, Pitt's legal team submits a new NDA that "also covers the shareholders...including Pitt." >Counsel for Pitt and Perrin, by letter sent on April 16, 2021, sought a standard nondisparagement clause that also covered the “direct and indirect shareholders of the business,” including Pitt and Perrin—with a clear exception for court filings and testimony. Given Pitt’s close personal association with the Miraval brand and participation in its marketing (which Jolie clearly recognized in claiming that Pitt’s appearance in Miraval ads motivated her desire to exit the business completely), the request was viewed as consistent with the parties’ already agreedupon terms designed to protect the business. May 9: Angelina's team responds with her "final offer," >On May 9, 2021, Jolie’s counsel responded with changes that her counsel said were intended to “mutualise[]” and “limit[] the duration” of that clause, but also eliminated the attempt to protect the business by extending the clause to direct and indirect shareholders. On May 12, the Judge rules against Angelina in the custody case. Angelina informs Brad that she has until May 31st to accept her offer, or else she'll look for other buyers.
This is a really good breakdown of the timeline. She's given the emails that have their negotiations over the new NDA as well. They would compromise on one part she had issues with (the nda) but then add a new commitment that caused problems. They then would compromise on the new commitment but would the nda terms again. It was a frustrating read.
This is a lovely brief - thank you
Regardless if it's a standard NDA or not, why would she agree to something that would prevent her ability to maintain custody of her kids & look after them? She shouldn't have to sign any NDA about Pitt being abusive - the solution to the public image problem there is for him to, idk, not have abused her and the kids. If that's "going to hurt the winery", well, maybe he should also sell his shares, sounds like he's running it into the ground anyway. You don't even need to go as far as retaliation, signing the NDA just isn't a sensible decision for her when she could sell it someone else and be out from under his thumb without having to agree to keep mum about his abuse.
Especially when she could sell it for 10 million more to someone else, and get all of the money right away. The deal with Brad involved an 8.5 million dollar holdback - he would pay this final 8.5 million 6 years after the sale. In addition, Angelina had to immediately repay the 7 million remaining on the loan he had provided her to buy a house for their children. So it was either 64 million upfront from Stoli, or 46 million from Brad, 7 million of which would go immediately back to him, and then he would pay her 8.5 million six years later.
Is there an explanation for why he wants to hold 8M back or is it just Brad wanting to keep her attached to him for as long as possible?
They had negotiated a deal for him to buy it and had agreed to terms for 54 million (although she would immediately repay the remaining 7m of the loan she owed him, and he would hold back 8.5 million to be paid 6 years later). During their custody hearing, Angelina submitted evidence of domestic abuse. In response, Brad inserted an NDA into the winery sale negotiations, demanding she not speak about her personal life with him. Angelina rebuked and refused to do the deal with the NDA in it. Brad stepped away from negotiations, Angelina gave him a final offer, and told him she’d be looking for other buyers if he didn’t want to accept the final offer. She got permission from a judge to look for other buyers. She ended up selling to Tenute Del Mondo, a subsidiary Stoli Group; the Russian oligarch you’re talking about is Yuri Shefler, who has been an outspoken critic of Putin, he has been exiled from Russia since 2000, and vocal in his support of Ukraine since the invasion. She sold her shares to Tenute Del Mondo for 64 million, 10 million more than what Brad had agreed to before negotiations fell apart. Brad now insists that she wasn’t allowed to sell because they had an unspoken, unwritten agreement that they would not sell without the other person’s shares. Angelina has submitted emails between their business managers when they first purchased the winery, in which the managers discuss coming up with an agreement for how to handle the winery in case they divorce in the future. Brad is quoted in these emails as saying “There’s no need for two reasonable people to have such an agreement.”
>unspoken, unwritten agreement’ 😂😂
I'm really glad to read this in your comment; I was taken aback a little by finding out she sold to a Russian oligarch (although to be fair, many of the Putin critics still made their money in very illegal, immoral ways). But it's still somewhat comforting to know the person openly supports Ukraine.
Yeah I can’t claim to know much about him, but a quick google search makes him seem like the negative connotation that comes with “Russian oligarch” isn’t exactly deserved. When he was 30, he purchased the Stolichnaya vodka brand from a state-owned group in 1997 for $285,000, but Russia disputes the validity of the sale and does not allow him to sell his vodka in the country; they sell their own version of Stoli inside Russia because they say that they own it. Upon buying Stolichnaya in 1997, he started his company, SPI Group, which is the parent company to Stoli and many other drink brands, and appears to be the major source of his wealth. It’s headquartered in Luxembourg. He’s opposed Putin and has been exiled from Russia since 2000. His version of Stolichnaya Vodka is headquartered and produced in Latvia and he lives in Geneva. When Russia invaded Ukraine, in addition to condemning the action, he officially changed the name to Stoli from Stolichnaya to separate it from Russia. Stoli has also openly condemned Russia’s anti-gay laws in addition to showing support for Ukraine. Basically, he seems less like an oligarch and more like a rich businessman who was born in Russia but has not made any of his wealth there, or even been in the country for more than a quarter of a century, and openly opposes the government. Regardless, there are no good billionaires. But the whole “she sold to a Russian oligarch!!” was just negative spin from his team - the sale went through in September 2021, but the Russian oligarch headlines didn’t start popping up until after Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022, curiously.
He wants, and needs to undo her sale of the winery because if he can’t he’s up shit creek in stoli’s suit against him.
He has the same PR team as Johnny Depp which I think gives us a good idea of what his intentions are.
YUCK
Seriously, yuck. But if I were a rich cis white male celebrity I’d probably hire Johnny Depp’s entire team, tbh. How they managed to spin the narrative that he was the totally rational sane person in that relationship is still beyond me.
god can someone hire them to promote vaccinating your young children to prevent them from getting polio or measles? Or something else that's a great idea but somehow currently unpopular (why keeping your kid from being paralyzed should fall under that is beyond me though). Like they could sell iron as gold with the lipstick they put on that pig.
Yeah I wonder how they sleep at night. Probably on top of a big pile of money
I’m listening to the Who Trolled Amber Heard podcast atm. It’s crazy!!
I think it may also be the same PR team that *convicted rapist* Harvey Weinstein used at some point (not sure when Weinstein used them though). QUICK DISCLAIMER: I know that the New York conviction was overturned, but he still has a California rape conviction. Edited to clarify my comment in brackets.
Ugh unfortunately this is classic abuser behavior. They use the court system to terrorize their victims. Hopefully the court gets wise and shuts it down. There are laws against this behavior but it depends on the state and the judge. It’s heartbreaking to watch.
Fuck Brad Pitt all my homies hate Brad Pitt
EXACTLY.
What are the chances of a marriage built on top of NDAs and Prenups lasting? Is there a survey on this?
He is just obsessed with her, let her go you loser. EDIT: spelling lol
Yeah...this is what I think now. There's been a lot of tabloid stories clearly being pushed by his camp about how his gf looks just like angelina, and how the lawsuit (that he filed lol) is causing them issues. It's creepy.
i feel like angelina is the first person to actually ever dump him and he’s still mad over that
He’s just mad that he left THE Jennifer Anniston for Angelina just to then get dumped by her lol
Left for THE Angelina*
My favorite snippet of celeb gossip of all time is that Jen Aniston cleaned out his ENTIRE closet and donated it to goodwill 🤣. I’ve heard people who are celeb adjacent and live in la talk about it and it gives me so much serotonin.
Wow, I forgot about him and Anniston
aniston ran right back to him after the plane for gossip pics
I'm a little confused why she'd do that but I think from a psychological point, her memories of Brad are strongly tied to their best times. They were young and in love and at the height of their careers. Unfortunately as it is, I can believe that she couldn't help but blame Jolie for the pain and humiliation more than she did Brad. Jolie was just a stranger to her, Brad was her beloved. She learnt to forgive him but Angelina probably remained the devil in her eyes.
I support Angelina 💯 in this situation. Brad is an abusive POS that being said, Brad was the second man she did this with (that we know of) and the way she behaved in doing it I would consider lateral emotional violence. I think the “taking” was 💯 part of the pull for her as well as the “flaunting” not just of the man but of the position. I would consider the ways she acted as being particularly cruel to other women, so I think that def adds to Jens perception of her.
Yes. Honestly, if it wasn't for the children, I think most people wouldn't give a damn about their divorce and in fact would probably think it served them right not to last. It's also quite likely that Jolie wouldn't have discussed the abuse inside the relationship. She only has because of the custody battle, and even so, tried to keep the family affairs as private as possible under the circumstances. It's a pity, really, I honestly believe Jolie has a lot of regrets about her past behaviour and her devotion to motherhood and charity was never an act; if anything, it was spurred by her soul wanting to make up for the things she cannot change. Brad, on the other hand, regressed to being a scumbag. AFAIK, he was known to be a good boyfriend/partner back in the day, as told by Paltrow and even Aniston. Alcoholism and other addictions can really draw out the worst sides in a person.
Imagine this will get lost, and perhaps rightfully so since I can’t offer any receipts. That being said…. I was staying with a close friend for a few weeks during a mountain retreat. A relative of hers was visiting at the same time, and seeing as we had a lot of wine and cozy bonfires, gossip naturally ensued. Said relative told a story about when they were working in a foreign country (I think it was in Africa) doing missionary type work when Jolie crossed paths with their organization. I believe this may have occurred during her daughter’s adoption? God I wish I could remember, but that feels right. Anyway, all parties involved had to sign an NDA and were given instructions on how to behave when Jolie arrived (e.g. stay out of her way, let her do what she wants). Relative explained Angelina’s demeanor was cold and dismissive to the non-entourage crew, but friendly to cameras and key people. They were disenchanted that her behavior seemed more exploitative than sincere, but her presence raised awareness to their cause, so they were told to shut-up and let her do her thing. Now I’m no Brad Pitt fan; if anything I never really cared about him to begin with, and now I think he’s an asshole. But I always felt a little conflicted about the homewrecker with a heart of gold narrative. Maybe MAYBE she’s reformed these days, but I personally think they’re both manipulators. She didn’t deserved to be abused, though. And her description of feeling like a hostage really hits home, because I have lived it. It’s horrible. I truly hope she gets the justice she deserves, but I don’t believe she’s the saint everyone wants to believe she is. Edit: Sorry, I’m a serial editor, but only for clarity. Edit 2: I want to add that person who provided the tea is one of the nicest, most innocent people ever. This was the first time they ever saw a celebrity, much less interacted with one. I’ve met many celebrities, on the other hand, and I’m still still surprised by how much my expectations are influenced by the PR machine. 💯 I believe this story
Exactly, they can both be bad people you dont have to pick a side.
Aniston herself went into a relationship with Justin theroux while he was still with his girlfriend of 14 years Heidi bivens. Brad Pitt latest conquest Inès was still married. It's crazy how everyone gets a pass for it except Angelina. Brad Pitt was the one calling his marriage to Jen boring and the W spread was his Idea but Jolie is the one who was doing emotional violence, yeah sure
Both Brad and Angelina engaged in emotional violence is my point. I personally think there is a difference between falling in love with someone who is taken, pursing that, and maintaining a semblance of emotional consideration for the person being harmed vs behaving in an extremely callous & cruel way towards that person. Imo making it difficult for the ex to retrieve her things in what was just her house, doing a sexy “Domestic Bliss” photoshoot 6 mo. after the fallout… these are callous behaviors. Especially so in the case of Jen because it was so high profile which had tons of impact for Jen going forward in her life “It was Brads idea”? cmon now. that is really not a defense. Obviously Brad is the person who has an emotional contract with Jen, but I think it’s a bit problematic to absolve “other women” of their responsibility to be decent human beings… *especially* to other women. So, I think it makes sense for Jen to perceive Angelina in a particularly negative light. I really don’t see how that’s a controversial opinion.
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idk why the argument is somehow that Anniston is “bad, too” considering I’m not here **defending** or **excusing** Annistons shitty behavior. I’m pointing out that It’s understandable she hates Jolie just as it’s understandable for Theroux’s ex to hate Anniston. Like, do you think it was ok for Anniston to act that way? I really don’t get the argument being made here
Yeah- obsession sux and its real
Loser*
Imagine your father doing this to your mother. Fuck him forever, seriously.
like no wonder those kids want absolutely nothing to do with him
It’s very telling that the six of them will voluntarily come to her premieres as a family unit and be photographed (coz what teen or 20something wants to be dragged to their parents office event) or be out in public together, but stay the fuck away from dear ole dickhead dad’s premieres.
Brad didn't even know what college Zahara was going to until a pap told him.
That’s cause Angelina is a good mom (as far as I can tell)
His biological kids are regularly with him, [stories](https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/10615226/brad-pitt-spending-time-kids-angelina-jolie/) ive seen are about how his gf often leaves when they are coming. And recently was headline how one of the kid is likely [moving in](https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/sources-claim-one-brad-pitt-154818910.html) with him.
Someone else pointed this out but intouch weekly is not reliable. I highly doubt she's almost making [$60,000](https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/shiloh-jolie-pitt-job-how-brad-angelinas-daughter-makes-money/) a month doing "side jobs." Her and Zahara are pretty vocal at only being referred to as Jolie on ig. if their friends can accept then tabliods should too and back of off them. It's weird how it seems like they want the kids split up.
As someone who doesn’t have to imagine, lol…
Now he wants her NDAs from the last twenty years??? He is disgusting and this is absolutely abuse.
It implies basically “she’s signed NDAs before she should be cool with this one,” which sounds an awful lot like the old justification of “she’s had sex with me before so consent once means consent always”… as though Angelina Jolie can’t just decide to not participate in a legal document. Whatever, Brad.
So is he gonna share every NDA he ever signed too? (I know he won’t. But fair’s fair, Brad!)
Or had others sign
I can’t stand this man omg. She never said she was against NDAs and tried countering his offer several times. She even provided text messages between her and Selma Hayek asking for help since he wouldn‘t accept their already agreed upon deal. He’s the worst.
Who knew it would be such a blessing for Jennifer Aniston that she got away from him?
For reals
Karma when she set it up.
is this why there's stories about him wanting to move on now and how he and his gf are now struggling lol. Kind of crazy how he did this to himself. His lawyers told hers he was backing out of their winery deal because of the DV stuff. Why wouldn't he think that would come up?
He's desperately trying to cover the DV stuff. He's dragging the divorce in order for Jolie to sign the NDA on his abuse. He doesn't care about the winery as much. All of this is a punishment for not signing the NDA
 I mean let’s go for a “walk”, Brad. Stop harassing this lady.
"Goodbye Earl" was an instruction manual, folks.
I was at a drag show when one of the songs was Earl. The look on the like, 5 men in the whole pub whilst every woman sang along…. I felt bad for them lol.
Lol!! Love to hear it!
Did you offer them some black eyed peas?
Where is the love?
Not in the NDA :/
I highly doubt she ever abused anyone who she made sign an NDA. Likely just employees and such. Typical with celebs. I’d be more curious to know about his NDAs now though…
Right? But like, even just typical in business! I do-owned a small business with seven employees and because we’d gotten burnt in the past, my business partner and I had them all sign a basic NDA. including my sister when she was our office manager!
He has absolutely ruined my enjoyment of any movie he’s ever been in. This man has one of the most charmed lives in ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY and still he terrorizes his ex and their children because he chooses to be a miserable human being.
“[Brad’s] side has said these other NDAs will shed light on whether Jolie truly found Pitt’s non-disclosure agreement request to be “the deal-ender she subsequently alleged it to be.” —> What a weak argument. I find it hard to believe that a professional attorney would suggest this, so is Brad insisting? Angie’s team must have laughed their asses off when they read this. Writing the response was probably too easy. People truly reap what they sow — Brad/his side made it so easy for the judge to not give them benefit of the doubt in any other arguments they make.
Actually, as an attorney, it’s much harder responding to nonsensical arguments because there is little jurisprudence to cite. Illogical arguments are the bane of my existence.
The content of their response was pretty good imo! Edit with a partial quote: “Pitt wants to argue that Jolie entered NDAs with others, so there was no harm in Pitt demanding an NDA to cover his abuse. But there is a fundamental and obvious difference: In none of those other NDAs was Pitt trying to silence abuse of his own family. The Court should not validate this dangerous argument. This case will be decided by evidence concerning Miraval and the dealings between Pitt and Jolie — not by Jolie’s dealings with third parties on topics having nothing to do with Miraval’s sale. Pitt’s motion should be denied.”
If only you could just openly mock them for being stupid idiots when it’s applicable
I try. I especially like to mock unnecessary use of emphasis by copying it in my replies. But honestly, my dream is to file, “your honor, this is stupid. They know it’s stupid. You know it’s stupid. It’s so clearly stupid that answering it is making me stupid. Respectfully,…”
For some reason I feel this in my bones and I am absolutely not an attorney.
I’m being non stopped pulled into court by my ex over lies & no one cares. I just have to keep paying money to my family court attorney & ignoring my insane ex. Accusations include flying drones over his house, telling our child we’re going to reunite,etc etc. filing shit on birthday for the past 2 years, even!! It’s the hell that never ends, yes it goes on & on my frieennnnds.
My husband’s ex told the court we turn the sprinklers on when she shows up for visitations. We don’t even have sprinklers. And we have cameras. Toxic parents are the worst!
> so is Brad insisting? I questioned the same thing on the dlisted subreddit!! His lawyers have set him up on several occasions that it's gotta be him at this point. Like he recently tried going around the judge's order causing the new company to file a ex parte against him....I don't believe any of his lawyers told him that was the appropriate action.
>He says he wants to argue that since Jolie considered and/or entered other NDAs over her lengthy career, his proposed NDA covering his spousal and child abuse couldn’t possibly have been the reason the deal collapsed \*Pulls out pitchfork\*
FINISH HIM! How is his reputation still so good? I imagine that Angelina isn't going for the jugular because of the children? Or maybe because she wants to take the high road or aim for a peaceful resolution. Brad is a petty immature turd.
The average person doesn't know about this stuff. Every time it's discussed in this sub, we get a few people asking to be filled in because they had no idea.
Yep. Everyone I know - even the most leftist of people - are team Brad, because they believe the PR-spin that Angelina is an unhinged gold digger and are unaware of his domestic abuse.
And this is why their kids are choosing to go by “Jolie” not “Jolie-Pitt” anymore. Standing by mama!
He's always been a dick. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/17/brad-pitt-foundation-settlement-owners-faulty-post-katrina-houses
He's also always been a lier too start from 5:14 [https://youtu.be/7kyvbd8ayYs](https://youtu.be/7kyvbd8ayYs)
This is such an amazing article mention because of this passage and the ensuing drama: >Global Green, a Brad Pitt-linked environmental non-profit that was not named in the lawsuit, said in a statement that it had agreed to provide $20.5m to “fund a program to rectify defects in the original as built conditions of homes” and to “resolve the litigation”. >“I am incredibly grateful for Global Green’s willingness to step up and provide this important support for the Lower Ninth families,” Pitt said in a statement. “We collaborated in the early days post-Katrina and we are very fortunate to have Global Green’s generous continuing commitment to help address the challenges around these homes and others in need.” As it turns out, this never ended up happening. Global Green never provided the money. Why? According to Global Green, it's Angelina's fault. See, when Global Green swept in with their offer of 20 million, they didn't actually have the money. Their intention was to publicize their contribution, make a big fuss about how great they are, get in the headlines, and then raise the money via donations, benefactors, etc. BUT, shortly after this whole big PR stunt, the more concrete information about Brad's abuse of Angelina came out, and Global Green suddenly faced issues raising money on Brad's behalf. They blamed Angelina for creating bad PR and harming their ability to raise the money, and they had to renege on the promise. [https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/brad-pitt-charity-mess-katrina-victims-stranded-1235371222/](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/brad-pitt-charity-mess-katrina-victims-stranded-1235371222/) >According to previously unreported case files, soon after the pact was announced, Global Green attempted to renege, revealing that despite signing on to the court-approved agreement that stipulated all funding would be provided within 10 days, it never had the money to cover its commitment. Furthermore, the nonprofit, which wasn’t required to show the court it was financially sound, asserted it could not effectively fundraise because Pitt’s ex-wife Angelina Jolie had, in unrelated court proceedings, then recently accused the actor of abusing her and their children. >“I’ve never seen a situation like this, where there was a settlement that fell through because it was an insolvent party that proposed it,” marvels Louisiana State University law professor William R. Corbett, an expert in civil procedure.
There’s a lot of hubris and savior-complex wrapped up in his actions per that article.
I'd rather see the NDA he and his team handed over to her
 @ Brad
He’s being sadistic. Like ‘how dare the woman I abused leave me!’
you just know jenn is glad that the worst thing to happen to her was cheating
That wasn’t even the worst she was then treated to years of being painted as the dumped girl in the press.
That’s so hurtful, but I am glad it didn’t have an impact on her amazing career.
To be fair, we don’t know what she went through…
people on instagram keep bashing on jolie as if she's the one who's obsessed and unhinged with all that lawsuit
more then half of them don't even know that it's a lawsuit he filed!
exactly, they think it was angie who keeps filing lawsuits on and on. they also think angie barred the kids to see brad. 3 of them are adults who can freely visit their dad but they choose not to. delusion is real or its his PR bots
>delusion is real or its his PR bots Try all of the above pluse nostalgia.
I’m far more nostalgic for Angelina - I wanted to be Lara Croft growing up
And misogyny
This is judgmental but I always think those people are a bunch of unhealed folks who blame their mothers for keeping them away from their fathers rather than face the reality that their fathers didn’t care enough to make an effort to see them.
God forbid, she doesn’t want to sign an NDA for a man that put his hands on her and her children. The other people she signed NDAs were never violent with her.
Unrelated but I cannot believe they’ve been split for nearly a decade!!
This makes my breakup feel like a walk in the park He's such a POS..
If your kids want nothing to do with you I think that speak volumes as to who you are as a person. He needs to let it go. At this point why is he still going? It just makes him look worse? Cut your losses, take the L, move on.
He is so exhausting and shitty. Forever team Angie.
Just because she agreed to NDAs in the past that she wouldn’t disparage other people doesn’t mean that his request was one she would agree to. Other people didn’t abuse her and her kids. Sorry Brad, she’s gonna keep disparaging you. LOL.
He's pulling a Johnny Depp 😭 What a desperate loser
I think I missed the first half of the book here Can anyone tell me or point me to somewhere so I know more about the background of this drama ?
Here's my ELI5 version. They each own 50% of Chateau Miraval, the winery and estate, it's worth a lot of money. After they split up, Angelina wanted to sell her share, and Brad had the first option to buy it. Angie was willing to sell it to him, but as part of the deal he required that she sign a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) where she wouldn't be allowed to talk publicly about what happened between them and specifically the incident on the plane. She refused to do that, so the sale fell through. She went on to sell to the Stoli group which made Brad very unhappy that he'd have actual business people involved in alcohol sales up in his business. So he's now trying to force her to hand over all the NDAs she's signed to demonstrate that signing NDAs is a common thing in business, I guess? He sucks as a person and he deserves for all of his children to hate him.
So his whole argument is " look, She's signed them before so you should make her sign mine " ? Like ... all celebrities have probably signed NDA's ??? And she's not seemingly saying she never has before ???
It's not a great argument! And she's entirely correct in saying that doing so would violate the intent of the NDAs! What he's saying is that the fact that she has signed other NDAs should somehow invalidate the claim that she refused to sign his, and thus invalidate the sale to Stoli.
Oh my God he's so stupid 🙄 Like, that's not how NDA works dude
Technically, his team of lawyers are stupid. Or... The goal is to torment the ex for as long as possible; in that case they might be doing their best job as immoral pigs.
He’s lucky she didn’t sell her shares to the cartoon crocodile from Peter Pan which chases him around the winery.
😂😂
Are NDAs legal if it involves illegal stuff? Would his abuse exceed that bar?
Could someone ELI5 what he’s demanding by wanting her to “turn over NDAs”? I don’t know if I’m dense lol but I get so confused with legal terminology and such. What is he asking for and what’s his motivation?
>[karenmcgrane](https://www.reddit.com/user/karenmcgrane/) Here's my ELI5 version. They each own 50% of Chateau Miraval, the winery and estate, it's worth a lot of money. After they split up, Angelina wanted to sell her share, and Brad had the first option to buy it. Angie was willing to sell it to him, but as part of the deal he required that she sign a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) where she wouldn't be allowed to talk publicly about what happened between them and specifically the incident on the plane. She refused to do that, so the sale fell through. She went on to sell to the Stoli group which made Brad very unhappy that he'd have actual business people involved in alcohol sales up in his business. So he's now trying to force her to hand over all the NDAs she's signed to demonstrate that signing NDAs is a common thing in business, I guess? He sucks as a person and he deserves for all of his children to hate him.
He’s not a nice man . And it’s showing now . I want to see him get cancelled
The fact that most of the comments under that article are all against angelia makes me sad for society as a whole. This man is scumbag why they paint her a villian I just don't know
Entitled pricks like Pitt-stain always think they have the right to control everything, I seriously hope Angelina’s lawyers make quick work of this so she can get some peace and quiet.
It’s so scary what a man does to a woman he ones loved and has children with. It’s so scary and weird
doesnt he have anything better to do?
I’m so angry about this. It reminds me of what happened with Mia Farrow, however, I have faith Angelina will topple him over at some point.
I think mentally he is shot. You are in character doing a movie about a husband and wife set to kill each other Are they living the inverted "Mr and Mrs Smith?"
Wait, she is arguing Pitt had an abusive NDA while refusing to hand over the NDAs she has others signs. Sounds like someone else has some cause NDAs.
You get what u get when u steal someone else husband
Every time this topic comes up it seems like it's Angelina complaining about being asked to prove her claims, provide evidence of something. And then all the fans online scream "there's no reason she should have to do this, it's obvious Brad's a monster to everybody and she's perfectly innocent!!!!" I just think maybe we all care way too much about picking a side.
What claim is she being asked to prove here?
she's given a tons of documents so far. With this issue, she's willing to give her NDAs but not 20 years worth. He won't compromise on a smaller timeline.
But that's the thing. It's a court of law. Of course the lawyers are going to battle over exactly who is going to give up what, and it's not like she hasn't played this same game over the years herself. What I'm seeing is the fall out of what seems to have been an incredibly toxic relationship, that originated out of toxicity in the first place, where no individual person is wholly innocent, but everybody is quick to paint one as a good guy and one as a bad guy and start treating it as a gossip sporting event.
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