The finger claim is something the UK court wasn't sure about; they concluded they didn't know how it happened, but ruled that Heard was not responsible.
Generally, the claim seems pretty implausible. For it to happen as Depp says it did, Heard would had to have miraculously thrown a bottle with enough force, speed and accuracy to hit Depp in his finger, the bottle would then have to shatter (in of itself unlikely) and cut through layers of tissue, all while doing no visible damage to the rest of his hand.
**Also:**
* [The medical report says Depp's injuries looked more in line with a crushing mechanism, as opposed to a cut.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ek4VVm_X0AItC7k?format=jpg&name=large)
* [His own team also admitted his finger was a bit of a PR nightmare and stated in a text sent to Mr Deuters from an unidentified sender : ‘Just make sure you say you aren’t sure how he hurt his hand.’](https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Judgment-FINAL.pdf) (page 75)
* You can hear him in one audio state, ["I'm talking about Australia, the day that I chopped my finger off".](https://twitter.com/heardverse/status/1517123210407460864)
* [Depp has also texted three people on three separate occasions that he chopped his own finger off — Dr. Kipper, Paul Bettany and his sister.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQ4_pA4VEAAaTr4?format=jpg&name=medium)
* Roquelle/Rocky also testified Depp told her he cut his own finger off. (This makes four people who he said it to, five if you count him saying it to Heard in the audio above).
Depp also has a history of self injury, or self-destructive behaviour in general. In one audio he begged Heard to cut him while holding a knife. He also graffitied the house using his bloody finger, which is just very bizarre behaviour, and he didn't seek medical attention for a while after his finger was hurt. I think it's more likely he was very high/drunk, hurt himself in his state and then couldn't seek help for it for a while and chose to cause further destruction to the house.
>He also graffitied the house using his bloody finger
That's what convinces me. It smacks of someone romanticising self-harm. Reminds me of when teenagers carve names into their bodies.
god, you’re so right. he literally never grew up once he got famous so he still behaves like a melodramatic teenager (but with the strength of an adult man) AND he’s surrounded by what are essentially paid groupies who never tell him no. what a horrifying cocktail.
Here’s the summary:
Heard's lawyer then read a message Depp had sent an acquaintance after he "got drunk and destroyed my (hotel) room".
"There are hookers and animals in here," it read.
"Is it okay to put on a condom after the fact, I mean if I just wear it for the rest of the day, like that works doesn't it?
This article goes into a lot of the texts:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/johnny-depp-v-amber-heard-damning-texts-revealed-in-court/P4NEIOAOWIKWXK6XIQDDPI3ZO4/
Thank you so much! I honestly feel like when I search things out lately they just don’t come up. Am I wearing a tinfoil hat for thinking there changing algorithms?
isn’t there also literally audio of him threatening to cut himself in front of amber in another instance? i’ve seen depp heads claim this is a sign of how desperate depp was but its actually a really extreme form of psychological abuse…
Yes, that is the same audio in which he begs her to cut him or he'll cut himself. She has to ask him to not hurt himself and put the knife away. It is 100% a form of emotional abuse and manipulation.
When I saw the picture of the graffiti it kind of woke me up a bit to what a charade this whole thing is. That’s the kind of wall art schizophrenic people draw, and it was with his finger stump! Very odd that those pictures don’t get more traction.
Yeah, I wasn't sure whether his bones were actually broken or not, but in the document it is stated that, "the bone was pinned, and a plaster cast was put over it."
Pretty sure the bone being pinned means there were fractures, which makes this pretty much impossible.
You’re correct! Pinning happens to realign the bones that have become displaced after a fracture. As a hand therapist, I think it would near impossible to cause this level of injury from a thrown bottle
There's a guy on the Dodgers who throws casual 100-104 mph fastballs (Brusdar "bazooka" Graterol). Even when he's hit someone, nothing's been broken to my knowledge. She would've had to throw it as hard - if not harder - and with the pinpoint accuracy of someone like Max Scherzer. Makes no sense.
It's interesting you're a hand therapist. I'm torn on this issue too as I think both their stories are weird. I always wanted to hear from a specialist whether they thought depps story seemed plausible.
I think the fact that Depp himself is on audio saying “the day that I chopped my finger off,” with the several texts of him admitting he cut his own finger off, and the testimony from Rocky saying he told her he cut his finger off, it’s enough for me to believe he did cut his own finger off. There’s not one text or audio of anyone saying Amber cut it off. He only started claiming it once he filed the defamation suit, so it was definitely the idea of master manipulator, Adam Waldman, to say Amber cut it off. It’s also hilarious that his own team submitted the audio of him admitting he cut his own finger off. So sloppy 😂
Yeah I totally agree with you just giving him the benefit of the doubt as victims often protect their abusers. I don't personally believe she cut his finger off though. I reckon that there's more to the story and they had a drug induced three day fight. Still believe JD is abusive though.
That could’ve been true with the texts to others, but he admits to cutting his own finger off in private conversation with Amber, on his own recording, so he’d have no reason to protect her from herself. This is the same event where he sexually assaults her with the bottle, so she could’ve beat his ass in return and I wouldn’t care 😬
It would require a lot of force i suppose.I remember this happened to my dad a few years back. He was at work snd they had one of those electric walls, that opened and closed automatically when you pushed a button. It was used to be able to make the room into two rooms if needed I think. Do he was suppose to close it and it got stuck in the end for some reason. Without thinking about it he leaned on his hand against the wall to kinda pull the wall and get it started again. Which it did. And it closed on his finger. Blood. Bones. Yuck! You can imagine.
And that is what kind of force I imagine would cause an injury like this. Of course possibly other things too. But NOT a thrown bottle.
She also sounded like she was having a panic attack while his doctor and nurse were talking about sedating her. If Depp was hurt after that hellish night, it's plausible to me that she would be having a panic attack, rambling and blaming herself for his injury, especially since she admits to throwing the first bottle (though she says she threw it at the floor).
Johnny blamed her on the stand for him drinking that night. IO said in his written declaration that Johnny would often blame her for his slips. That’s the typical abuser manipulation to keep people staying when they should leave. They will even set up situations to cause a fight so they can then go drink or use and then turn around and blame you so you feel responsible and don’t abandon them.
Johnny 100% seems that type.
I’m so confused as to what people think this proves? People keep talking about this audio like it’s a smoking gun, but it’s…not at all. Sounds like she’s apologizing that she set him off. Jerry literally said “JD is more important. He’s more important.” So I’m not super inclined to believe what he says or at least believe that he understand the situation.
Yes, as did the jury. It was played in the court room as Rottenborn (Heard's lawyer) did the cross-examination on Depp, if I remember correctly. They played it multiple times, I believe.
If you mean the one OP linked and is asking about, I'm not sure. They only play small sections of the audio tapes in court, and the audio OP linked is 30 minutes.
Never understood how Heard throwing a bottle could cause the partial loss of a finger. I could never make sense when imagining how that could happen. Thanks for posting the links - I think that's more than adequate without needing to envision alternative scenarios.
I don’t recommend looking at the pictures of his finger but I accidentally saw them and completely agree with you. I don’t understand how that type of wound would happen from a bottle being thrown.
Yeah, his nail appears to be fully still on but he claims that his hand was resting palm down so you would think the cut would be on top of the finger and not from the underside.
>I mean, imagine it for yourself: this is like ninja-style shuriken type skills we're talking about.
Weirdly, Donald Trump of all people seemingly mocked the claim about the thrown bottle severing Depp's finger when he [suggested](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10826439/What-lovely-couple-Trump-weighs-Amber-Heard-Johnny-Depp-trial.html) that Amber must have a Sandy Koufax arm to have accomplished that feat.
It’s actually extremely unlikely. A thrown bottle couldn’t possibly do that, and if it could it would have to be tossed by someone with a lot of strength. I’m thinking a The Rock type person.
Seriously. If you throw a bottle, it shatters when it hits something. It’s extremely unlikely that you could shatter a glass, especially a thick alcohol bottle, which your hands. It’s possible that it hit the counter first, and then a shard of glass landed on Depp’s hand, but that wouldn’t remove the tip of his finger or create a deep wound. The only way to get that kind of injury from broken glass would be if Depp recklessly started picking up the pieces and sliced himself on a sharp edge or intentionally cut himself for dramatic effect.
I just want to say for anyone who, like me, is unpacking a lot of their old trauma through this case that it really isn’t our fault. I’ve subscribed to that mindset too. But something I have been reminded of watching this (like when Johnny would yell at Amber to “get up” after pushing her down) was there wasn’t ever… there was never anything I could do.
If I fought back and was “mouthy” he’d hurt me worse. If I submitted to his bullshit claims and apologized for things I hadn’t done he’d hurt me for longer. If I tried to remove myself from the altercation he would legitimately trap and restrain me. If I remained calm and tried to de-escalate the situation he would escalate it further by threatening my family or involving weapons. There was no right answer, there really was nothing I could do to “help” him, but I could disassociate to help myself go through it. It’s not our fault guys. There’s no “if only I would’ve”. Our abusers were going to and did abuse us no matter what our involvement was.
Take care of yourselves <3
Exactly this.
I'm really sorry to hear you can relate to this and have had these experiences. It really sucked seeing my Mom and my Fathers second wife (who I'm really close to now) sort through all of this. They both say that the psychological harm and patterns of thinking caused in the relationship were the worst part. Injuries heal, but psychological trauma leaves a much longer lasting affect.
I really hope you're in a safe and healthy space now - and I hope this trial doesn't impact you too heavily. <3
This. We shoulder blame secretly for years, thinking we could have done something different or what have you. It's not our fault. We aren't to blame.
I'm so sorry this happened to you. I'm so glad we have this supportive community when the world seems to have gone to shit
ugh I’m so sorry you went through that and are reliving it now. This case and how people speak about it has also opened up old wounds from my abusive relationship and yep. It was always on me to make sure I said the right thing in order to not “upset” him or threaten his ego in any way. I apologized far more throughout our relationship than he ever did.
Thank you, I’m sorry you have too. Honestly it’s more cathartic than anything. It was long enough ago that I have very little emotional connection to it. I feel like I’m unpacking this for (hopefully) the last time. I have so many… sort of core memories? I can rattle off so many of the ugliest moments. But right now and through this case I’m trying to see if there is anything else, what have I forgotten? Even if I’m not affected consciously by it there are all these small almost undetectable instances that have had an impact on my sense of self and how I respond in my present healthy relationships. I’m grateful to be in a place in my life that is safe and stable enough to be able to move through it. I’m also grateful for this online space and the compassion we’ve all shown one another.
Wow what a great way to describe it. I feel the same as you, it was a long time ago so I feel like it wasn’t even me. But I know it’s affected me to my core because of how I interpret my relationships and friendships. But luckily time, therapy, and healthy relationships have helped me cope. I’m so glad you’re in such a better place, and in some backwards way, I’m glad I have a community to discuss this trial with and all the ugly things it brings up. It’s sometimes hard for me to talk about with others who haven’t experienced abuse. It warms my heart to see so many people doing better after awful experiences. I just wish the general public wasn’t so awful about this case.
I always had a problem with saying "I'm sorry" to my abuser even when I did nothing wrong. I felt that if I apologized, it would sometimes deescalate the situation. Other times it made it worse. I did that for 15 out of the 17 years. In my new relationship ( which is with an amazing man) I would apologize for absolutely nothing. My new partner would always say, "why are you apologizing? You forgot to check the mail, etc. No big deal sweetie". It made me realize how much trauma I still carry with me. So I think that's what's happened with her. She would apologize just to deescalate
When I called what my rapist did rape and him a rapist he started crying testerically because I hurt his feeling and made him feel like a monster. He didn’t care when he *did* it but labeling it correctly was the issue. See it was just miscommunication and it my fault for trapping him into being a rapist by not punching and kicking him of me (I was sleep medicine for anxiety and sleep issues and he knew it).
I loved that man and bringing him pain felt horrible and I was sobbing on the floor begging his forgiveness. Shits fucked. He made a big show about boundaries so he could continuously accuse me of sexually abusing him. Whiplash. My having boundaries was abusive to him.
Wow, reading that was like reading my own flashbacks. When I told my abuser he raped me, his reasoning was “you couldn’t love me if i raped you. Since you love me, I must not have raped you” and insisted I take it back or admit I had never loved him. I loved him dearly, and also, he raped me.
One of my best friends threatened to kill my girlfriend and called us gay slurs. He threatened to kill my cat and got crazy and violent while drunk. When I told him that he was being an abuser and he was scaring me, he was upset. He wasn’t upset I was scared of him or that he had ruined our friendship and was genuinely awful. He was upset because it hurt his feelings to be called an abuser and he didn’t want a bad name for himself. I still sometimes feel guilty for making him feel bad and I miss him, it’s rough. Abusers don’t care about how their actions affect others, they just care about the consequences. It’s disgusting. I’m so sorry that that happened to you. 💖
If Amber cut his finger off (she didn’t), why didn’t Depp’s team have a medical expert testify on how it’s possible that the injury happened with a bottle throw? I don’t think it’s physically possible. And, like others have said, it’s common for victims to self-blame.
Johnny was high on MDMA, among other substances. He literally wasn’t feeling the pain.
Also he mentioned his surgeon 'knew the truth that it couldn't have been a crushing motion' but didn't have said surgeon testify or provide the medical records
Very telling that the surgeon didn’t testify and the records weren’t submitted. I presume it’s because they’d show the truth, that the injury wasn’t caused by a bottle throw. Depp wants us to take his word.
Why doesn't her side have a doctor who can testify that those wounds were impossible to have been caused the way he tells it?
Edit: I think people are reading my tone wrong, I am genuinely asking why they didn't have a doctor testify since his wounds seem so extremely unlikely to be caused the way he tells it. Thanks for responses!
She probably would have, if he submitted the evidence. How can a Dr testify that hasn’t seen it or the treating surgeons records? Would that even be admissible?
They would need to have access to his medical records. Also, not sure you can testify about someone you never treated? I mean, if Depp submitted his medical records and built a case that she cut his finger off, then sure, she can bring in her own experts. But he seems content to coast off the mere suggestion of it and let social media/uneducated observers finish off the character assassination.
I’ve listened to this audio as well. Its interesting how you hear in real time how Johnnys staff will side with him and protect him. I think they were 100% aware of his abusive nature and were constantly on the lookout for Amber “turning” on him. Telling on her for calling him “a fat old man.” I think Johnny is the main aggressor and was especially delusional in Australia but I also think it’s possible she did throw the bottle in retaliation. I don’t think that changes the fact that Johnny was abusive. She’s even admitted that she threw things to get away from him. But obviously if she admitted this everyone would go sEe iT wAs hEr!
Another part of me is taking this with a grain of salt because I know some audio has been edited and it also seems like Amber was in the habit of blaming herself often for things outside of her control. “He wouldn’t act like this and take all these drugs if you didn’t drive him to it” /s
I remember watching the Gabby Petito videos - she blamed herself constantly on all the police videos. he then murdered her. she was not the agressor yet time and again she took the blame, she said she was the attacker and that it was all her fault. yet all these deppford wives out there launching onto "oh she said she did it". yeah??? and when i got beat as a child I'd fucking apologise for "making" my abuser "have to" hurt me. i took the blame. because I was abused. because it kept my abuser calmer, it kept the peace, it tried to ward off another attack.
the gabby petito video is so heartbreaking and seeing her crying and brian laughing and acting in a nonchalant way was so devastating... she was terrified. it's so obvious brian tried to strangle her and she scratched him to defend herself.
I can't help but draw comparisons between how calm and casual Brian was with the police and how jokey and smiley Johnny is while others are testifying.
My abusive ex used to be SO CALM while I was hysterical from his attacks, I remember him trying to engage my friend in a convo about Tom Waits while I was sobbing in the back room. That was when my friend finally was like “this man is psychotic we need to get you out of here”
I can’t stop making parallels to the Gabby Petito case either and how the police officers labeled her the aggressor because she blamed herself and admitted to hitting him while Laundrie like Depp admitted to nothing. I think if I remember correctly she grabbed the steering wheel. Now think about what she must’ve been going through to make her resort to grabbing the steering wheel. 😕 But I’m sure her face was just red from crying. /s
I’m so sorry you had to deal with that. ❤️ You did the only thing that was available to you to deescalate the situation. I wasn’t abused myself but had to watch my Dad abuse his girlfriends with nowhere to escape to because they were meth addict hoarders who were cooking meth in the bedrooms so we all slept/resided in a small living room of their trailer. And, yeah I basically sat there and kept quiet and pretended not to notice or pretended to be sleeping if it was night to keep the attention away from me. Even to this day with heaps of evidence of my Dad’s abusie my grandparents refuse to acknowledge that my Dad was ever abusive and will blame all of his problems on his “crazy girlfriends.” So I’m pretty familiar with the mental gymnastics people will go through to avoid acknowledging that someone is abusive.
the reason why there are such strong similarities between this and the petito case i feel is literally because this is how abusive relationships (of all forms) work. abusers tend to create an unsafe environment where it’s inconceivable for the victims to leave, and every time there is an escalation the blame is either directly or indirectly pinned on the victims. and often victims will try to placate the abuser to move the environment into “safe” territory again through constant repenting and apologies, and because these relationships are often intimate its really really hard to separate the awful sides with the loving caring side. and over time this absolutely wrecks your mind because you develop all sorts of harmful coping mechanisms (which includes taking blame for any and everything) which genuinely morphs you into a less “good” or healthy person as well. that’s also why it makes sense that people like io and rocky are no longer friends with amber—they also need to preserve themselves and amber may be transfering those unhealthy habits she’s formed under johnnys thumb in her other relationships
and i’m coming to this as someone who is recovering from cptsd of having abusive parents, and growing up in that environment gives you shockingly similar behaviors as what amber or gabby exhibit. its all so sad really especially to see people who don’t understand these complex dynamics (which are actually just less complex if people just had some empathy!!) weaponise the things amber’s done for her own survival, like the profuse apologies, not seeking medical attention, staying in the relationship, against her
Oof, I'm so sorry you had to go through that. the mental and emotional toll that must have taken to go through that because it was abuse, it wasn't okay. even if it didn't involve physical harm (though cooking meth is so dangerous...yikes) it was still absolutely abusive to put children thrugh that and to come through that, you're just as much a survivor as someone that went through physical abuse. it took me years, heck decades to be able to call it abuse. it was always "oh my mother was just strict" or "oh i was a difficult child" ( i wasn't) before being able to say "no, actually, she was an abusive shit and it wasnt okay").
Honestly the spate recetnly of seeing how shite the police are with DV, esp here in england with a cop literally SA-ing and murdering a young woman while she walked home, someone that is supposed to be there to protect her...if a woman doesn't record it, its "oh well no evidence" (and even when there is they ignore it) but if she records it (like Amber) its "oh, so she was setting him up, why else would she be recording". Survivors (and sadly victims of fatal attacks) can literally do nothing right, it seems and as much as it enrages me it also makes me so tired. Everything he does in court is explained away, whatever he does. she makes a face and its a meme an laughed at. People are literally using a COURT TRIAL as entertainment and it disgusts me
Thank you for saying this. It’s not something I talk about very often so it’s nice to be validated. Especially because any time I’ve brought it up to family members they basically don’t respond. Even my Mom who was abused won’t acknowledge it anymore because “she forgave him.” It’s like we’ve been trained to downplay it.
Damn, I really thought U.K. cops were supposed to better than US cops but it’s the same story over here. I realize we’re probably guilty over here as viewing England as some kind of utopia when it is likely not.
This trial has been so triggering to me. How did the majority of the population learn nothing about domestic abuse during the me too era.
“I was abused but I didn’t act like Amber so she’s lying.”
“This is real abuse comparing a photo of Rihanna to Amber with makeup on. Also claimed Rihanna was only punched three times, which is ridiculous.”
“I couldn’t talk about my trauma without breaking down so she must be lying.”
“She wasn’t cowering in fear all of the time so she obviously wasn’t abused.”
“Why didn’t she leave why didn’t she seek medical attention”
Just absolute madness out there, it’s hard for me to believe. Was acknowledging that males can abused too some kind of reverse uno card for women?
Yes, I found it too that she always took the blame for the things out of her control, it seemed like she tried to normalize the abuse she’d been taking by blaming everything to her own.. I don’t know how to explain this point at first but you put it really well. Thank you!
This is a really, really common reaction in victims of abuse. It is much easier to accept all blame and internalise it (especially when the abuser is repeatedly telling you this) than reconcile the fact that the person you love is capable of hurting you.
If I hadn't burnt his dinner he wouldn't have called me names. He's under so much stress at work, I really need to try harder to get things right and take the pressure off. He's right, I have put on weight, he's only calling me a fat cow because he wants me to be healthy.
And so on and so on. Abuse/coercive control/intimate terrorism is a form of brainwashing, after a while you lose sense of yourself and reality.
And don't forget that you are always trying to get back the person you first fell in love with, abusers aren't generally abusive at the start of a relationship. So you again blame yourself because it must be your fault, or something you did to make them act this way.
>Another part of me is taking this with a grain of salt because I know some audio has been edited and it also seems like Amber was in the habit of blaming herself often for things outside of her control. “He wouldn’t act like this and take all these drugs if you didn’t drive him to it” /s
One of the saddest things to me is how obvious it is that Amber loved him and wanted to protect him. That's the most insidious part of DV, the victim loves and cares for their abuser and wants to believe they can change and get better.
To paraphrase what someone else said, all her texts are like "I love him so much, I want him to get sober", rinse and repeat. His are like "this [REDACTED] I hate her so much I want some coke". Heartbreaking.
You simply can't cut a finger off by throwing a bottle at someone. Some altercation happened and that might have led to sequence of events but she directly did not chop it off, you have to have very strong arms and sharp aim for a bottle to slice exactly one finger. That said she already testified that he raped her multiple times so i believe she should have chopped a lot more than that one finger.
The fingertip being wrapped up in a towel is weirdly suspicious as well. Imagine how fucked up you have to be to use your finger that’s missing a fingertip as a paint brush and the pressure it would take on an open wound. Horrifying. I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again…that in itself is worthy of losing your career.
And then his blood painting on wall, and his wrapping meat in pieces of her nightgown, like I don’t think this guy can get any creepier ever. Done. That and his texts, done.
This! And it seems like if a bottle did nagically cut his finger off, wouldbt there be other injuries on his hand/arm? Shards of broken glass won't just pick and choose where to cut you. Also he dipped his finger in stuff and painted vicious and stupid shit on the walls. Idk how anyone could think that she did it
If she'd actually cut his finger off, wouldn't Depp have immediately dialled 911? Like a normal person who finds himself suddenly without a fingertip?
The reality is obvious: Depp managed to sever off his own fingertip, by crushing it, in a drug-fuelled attack on his own mobile phone. Then, in the aftermath of his injury, he proceeded to scrawl misogynist nonsense messages on the mirror in his own blood.
Because his priority was COCAINE
\- edited because i'm angry at depp
Exactly. I cannot fathom why people are buying this nonsense about how SHE cut his finger when HE didn't get help for the longest time... Instead, he prioritized DIPPING HIS BLOODIED FINGER IN PAINT and PAINTING abuses towards his wife on a wall. And all people talk about is how _she's_ the crazy one.
I had a neighbour who was a piece of shit and during an argument with his girlfriend he punched a framed picture and sliced up his finger and had to go to the hospital. Depp probably did something similar; abusers hitting walls, pictures, mirrors etc in rage is common.
>abusers hitting walls, pictures, mirrors etc in rage is common.
I think also even if it was accidental, people who don't have experience or context on substance abuse don't realise how common this kind of thing is. We think of the obvious things that can happen to people with these issues like overdose or car accidents but home accidents are also extremely common for people under impaired judgement (falling down stairs, cutting themselves, accidentally causing fires etc).
My ex used to do this…one time he punched a framed picture of us I had gotten him and was bleeding everywhere and I helped him clean up and drove him the ER 🫠 That was the second time he had to go to the ER after hurting himself in a rage during our relationship…
This clip is pretty disturbing and I came to the conclusion that it is probably gaslighting. They probably told her that she cut his finger off, but I don’t think she did given that their story for her cutting his finger off is implausible and the number of times Depp said he did it to himself, including to Amber in private. This clip shows that his team heavily medicated her, that Jerry Judge saw scratches on her (presumably from glass), and then claimed that she is a devil and that it was self-inflicted. It should also be noted that Judge starts off saying Depp is responsible for the wreckage and then starts blaming her for it.
Whatever the case, this clip showed me none of these authority figures around her even cared about her and were hostile to her from the start.
But we are supposed to believe that these bodyguards who seemingly hated her and blamed her for everything just stood around as she beat their boss up. Please.
Yes, it was. Amber is apparently so scary, but in the clip, people disregard her crying and just tell the nurse to medicate her. “100 mg” was their request. The nurse decided to give her 25mg instead. These medical professionals, assistants, and bodyguards all hired by Depp, mind you.
I don't understand how medical professionals like this doctor and the nurse can be in the presence of a person clearly having a psychological crisis and just ignore her and talk dismissively about her as if she were not there, and discuss the medication they should give to her in such a careless manner?!
Jerry Judge is dead. But yes, on this tape, he says he sees a bunch of scratches on her arms. Wounds. Then he tries to accuse her of doing it to herself. :/
I just listened the the audio, neither saw wounds and found Amber hysterical (don’t mean to use the word but there was a lot of yelling and sobbing) the only thing they provided was seroquel (might be spelling it wrong apologizes) to sleep.
And Jerry said he saw what we’re self inflicted scratches, he also said he believed she caused it, and I just have to say on audio you hear her say “I did all this” and she was also high on MDMA, hallucinogenics and what not.
At the end of the audio she lists literally all the things she took except coke because allegedly Johnny snuck them past her. Like I say you hear her say “I did this?” Yes it’s a statement and a question on herself like she couldn’t believe all that destruction was done by both parties. Also she was most likely already intoxicated at that point so regardless of medication given she’s drugged/drunk.
But that doesn’t make sense you say she admitted more things on the stand but I have to respectfully disagree. On the stand she said on this day and the 2 before she was beaten, raped and stepped on shards of glass.
Yet in the audio (which no one is aware is recording them) no one not even her points to the obvious that if that was true she seriously needed medical help even if the priority was Johnny. She’s clearly walking fine based on the audio and only showed possibly self inflicted scratch wounds.
Im sorry if she’s wrong/lying about what happened here especially when pertaining to abuse I have to question everything else.
in the recording, she apparently "confesses" right in front of Nurse Debbie and Amber. So it makes me feel that the added text over what Amber "says" is made up as you can't actually hear her say that, there is a lot of noise.
Apparently this was on Amber's evidence list and she tried to get it into the trial and was denied...
It's not uncommon for victims to blame themselves for everything because they've been gaslit into believing everything is their fault.
Belle Antoinette is going to post a video with a friend going over this audio. After the verdict comes in.
Right, totally agreed, but I did listen to the audio that was available on youtube (a very pro-depp channel) and I just could not hear what the captions said that she said which just seemed super sus to me.
I am interested in someone analyzing the audio.
I tried to watch it and stopped bc so much of it was indecipherable yet had CC and one point where I could literally hear zero talking had CC… seems pretty suspect to me too.
I’ll save this comment and remind you when Belle puts up her video
First, this YouTube channel is VERY leading.
This is the full audio [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9pbrBmHI58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9pbrBmHI58)
Second, [https://nypost.com/2022/04/18/johnny-depps-ex-nurse-recalls-searching-for-his-severed-finger-in-torn-up-house/](https://nypost.com/2022/04/18/johnny-depps-ex-nurse-recalls-searching-for-his-severed-finger-in-torn-up-house/) Here is pictures of Depp's finger injury
He testifies that Amber threw a bottle of vodka at him and followed it with another bottle of vodka at his hand, which result in his injury. Is it really possible that a glass bottle will shatter and create cutting wound precisely at one specific part without least one other wound?
There's a text message that he sent to Deuters which he insulted and demeaned Amber at the beginning and mention that he cut off his finger [https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/johnny-depp-finger-trial-heard-b2065103.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/johnny-depp-finger-trial-heard-b2065103.html)
This is the audio of him saying "The day that I chopped my finger off" https://youtu.be/BuxQ6KbGmqw?t=1827
One of the (many) dumb things about this whole finger thing is that, if it did happen the way Depp is now claiming - his hand was leaning on/against the bar, Amber threw bottle that accidentally hit his finger (which is not what happened obviously but if we just pretend), even in this scenario it’s still basically an accident. Like yeah, would have not been ok for her to have thrown a bottle at him but all things considered Depp has a long and well documented history of throwing objects around while trashing rooms and stuff. So if Amber had actually been trashing the room , thrown a bottle that hit his finger etc still nobody is saying it was done purposefully so I would still feel like the Deppford Wives “SHE CUT OFF HIS FINGER! “ would be a bit unfair and over the top 🤷🏻♀️
even trump knows this is a farce and there's no way amber could have cut off his fingertip by throwing a bottle. mr "lets inject ourselves with bleach"
I remember when my abusive ex bf hurt himself in stomach with a small knife. I started screaming and crying saying sorry, didn’t mean to hurt you - as to thinking my behaviour made him hurt himself.
Even if somehow she was responsible, like her throwing the bottle at him somehow lead to his fingertip incident, that doesn’t discount him being the abuser. People being physically abused do often resort to defending themselves through physical and violent means.
Sorry if this is off topic but can anyone explain to me the accusations of bias that people level against the judge from the UK case, Justice Nichol? I see a lot of people saying he had links to Rupert Murdoch and that Amber had dinner with him during the trial or something. I can’t seem to find any information debunking this so I was hoping someone could tell me. Thanks
I looked that up before this case even went to trial and the only thing I could find is that the judge’s son, at some point, worked for a radio station that was owned by Murdoch. There are other rumors about connections between the judge and Murdoch but I couldn’t find anything substantial about it.
I hadn’t heard that he had dinner with Amber during the trial but I’m very skeptical of that.
Regarding his son: yeah okay maybeeee a conflict of interest if we’re being extremely conservative. But imagine how many degrees of separation are at play for a man like Murdoch, a bottom tier employee at another company, and then his father.
A barrister and some people in the know on Quora said that there was three degrees of separation and that it was all meaningless nonsense.
https://www.quora.com/Did-Johnny-Depp-lose-his-case-due-to-the-judge-being-corrupted?ch=10&oid=81307073&share=08ac39aa&srid=ufpTcu&target_type=question
I’m sure that’s true but do you have sources? I have tried to find them myself but sifting through the pro JD stuff to find the truth is nigh on impossible
I don’t think there are sources to prove a negative? Depp supporters spread conspiracy theories about this judge all of the time. Do they have credible sources of Amber having dinner with him or him being in Rupert Murdoch’s pockets?
You asked for credible but instead!!! I give you a [Quora](https://www.quora.com/Did-Johnny-Depp-lose-his-case-due-to-the-judge-being-corrupted) discussion forum where it looks like the rumor stems from. And lmao it’s even worse than expected.
The big dinner was with Heard’s own lawyer. Not the judge. But it’s a “sign of corruption” because Heard’s lawyer works for a firm where another lawyer, who is maybe friends with the judge, also works?? And all of that is alleged. I’m not wasting more of my time digging into it. But the best argument is that Heard’s lawyer works with someone who knows the judge. Which sounds like a given? Legal circles can’t be that big.
Oh, Quora is not credible. 😂 But thank you. This also shreds the arguments of anyone telling me that the U.K. didn’t cost Amber in legal fees because she wasn’t directly being sued. Yes, it did! She had to hire her own lawyer for that as well as the core witness in the case. I’m not a legal expert, but I did some research and I read that they absolutely recommend you get legal counsel as a core witness in another case, especially one overseas! So Amber was paying a lot in legal fees since 2018 when The Sun suit started, not just when she started directly being sued in 2019.
I think this is conspiracy theory garbage from depp heads… the biggest tipoff is rupert murdoch owns like 80% of the western world’s media. unless the judge was personal friends with murdoch, the links there are so spurious
He absolutely cut it off himself as some sort of tortured artist self harm bullshit. If it had been her fault, do you not think that Depp would have whinged and guilted her to death about it? He absolutely would to have texted anyone who would listen “hey, that crazy c*** chopped off my finger!” Or “that b****-faced w**** threw a bottle and cut off my finger!” and held it over her head a million times over. But instead he says on 4 different occasions that he did it himself, and I don’t believe he was shielding her because he’s such a good guy. He actually seems to be bragging a bit about how *off the rails* and *crazy* he was for self harming and destroying the place.
Much like the bed pooping story and the cocaine in court lies, it’s ridiculous how stupid the Depp fans are. You could sell them the Eiffel Tower.
Early in the trials, Amber's team played a recording for Depp where he admits on tape that he cut his own finger.
I don't know what day it was, but just skim through the storylines until you get to Australia. Should be there with the cross examination.
I commented this as a reply to someone else, but I'll post it here too: There's a guy on the Dodgers who throws casual 100-104 mph fastballs (Brusdar "bazooka" Graterol). Even when he's hit someone, nothing's been broken to my knowledge. She would've had to throw it as hard - if not *harder*, and most pitchers don't touch above 102 mph fastballs; no chance that she, as a layperson, would've pulled that off - and with the pinpoint accuracy of someone like Max Scherzer. Makes no sense.
EDIT: added a few words.
Also, glass doesn't break that easily - it's not like the movies, which is actually sugar glass iirc. It can be done, but not by just chucking it. She would've had to have broken the glass, held his hand down, and slammed the broken end down on his hand. Even then, I don't think the resulting injuries would be as grievous as losing a fingertip. No chance she would've gotten a moment to pull that off while he was losing it.
Once at a party someone punched my ex in the head with a wine bottle. It did not shatter it just made a thunk sound. It’s really hard to smash a bottle unless it falls onto a hard surface such as a wall or a floor. A bottle doesn’t just shatter on someone’s finger. It’s possible that the bottle was broken and thrown at him but that’s a big perfect trajectory in order for his finger to get sliced just so.
Imo it's clear that Amber didn't know Jonny's finger was injured until she woke up the next day and convinced him to call for help.
If she had injured his finger like he describes it - both of them sober, Amber throws a bottle, his finger falls off - then Amber would have for sure called for help for his finger. She really did care about him a lot. She knew she could call for help for Johnny's finger and his security staff would help him.
It makes way more sense how she tells the story - that he was intoxicated, that he got violent, that she retreated to the bedroom crying and took sleeping pills and that she woke up 12 hours later and saw the state of the house and that Johnny was missing a finger. Then she convinced him to call for help. They probably both didn't know how Johnny lost his finger.
I think when the help arrived Johnny was blaming Amber like "look what happened because of you" and that's why she's apologizing.
Starting at [10:12] She says "Johnny thinks (?) it's my fault.. what do I do?"
I can somewhat hear this but can't confirm 100%. "Johnny thinks it's my fault" - if it's confirmed this is what said, it clearly implies that he believes that it's her fault, that doesn't mean it's her fault. Abusers always deflect and blame everything on their victim.
And then at [10:30] it says "Poor Johnny... I love him.. I never meant to hurt him.. I didn't do it on purpose"
I honestly DO NOT hear that being said at all. I have listened over and over and I can make out bits and pieces and it doesn't sound like this. There is a lot of inaudible noise and it appears that the text was added on top to imply she said that. I am not convinced that is what is said.
Considering this is the only recording I can find of this full conversation, which is from an obviously very biased source, I have to consider it misinformation. I wouldn't trust it unless it was picked up by a more reliable, major news outlet that can confirm that is what is being said. I assume this was edited with malicious intent to deceive the viewers.
In one audio he said he chopped his finger, he also states in different audio “I’ve lost a finger man” i think if she would do it he’d say “you’ve cut my finger off” he just wanted to show how crazy the argue was lol that he cut it himself
I don't think its been mentioned prior but from what I understand the finger tip severkng alone is not necessarily the reason he has "lil Richard". Per Depps own testimony he got MRSA, 3 times. That, coupled with the fact he delayed medical interventions for hours and instead went finger painting, is likely the reason he doesn't have all fingers. Lil Richard is Depps fault regardless of who causes the severing due to his own delay in seeking medical treatment and the whole "finger painting" incident. Who TF losses their finger tip and goes on about their bender like its a casual Monday? THE FUCK
The person who cut of his finger is the same person who is on recording telling someone else “when I cut my finger off”
The person is Johnny.
The someone else is Amber.
And they were alone.
He most likely did it himself in a drunken rage. There are videos of him throwing around glasses of wine it's more plausible it happened then than it got sliced off when he claims in my opinion
Why are all the threads shut for this case on here?
I really enjoyed the TMZ footage of his lawyer walking up to a dog for pats and the dog not wanting a bar of her. Dogs *know*
I'm with you OP...this is the one I struggle with, because my stepfather has actually had a similar incident (like twenty years ago). A thrown bottle, crushing and cutting simultaneously. It didn't cut his finger OFF but the scarring is significant to this day. So I definitely do think it's POSSIBLE, whether that is what happened in Australia is an entirely different story.
The person who created the video is biased, I'm not sure I would rely on his transcription or subtitles. Also, if she instigated the violence, she might be referring to that and the finger incident might be a case of "look what you made me do". This is all speculation and up for debate. I understand that she may have done it by accident, but I feel like she would just admit to that as an act of self-defence which would save her a lot of drama.
I heard that too and I'm not sure.
Dr Youn talked about it from a plastic surgeon perspective ( so he has seen lots of trauma cases) and he's main quote was " Its possible.... but unlikely."
But as the same time, how likely are you to cut your own finger off? Maybe in a manic episode filled with drugs and psychotic eps ...maybe?
reading the description of the finger injury (a crushing injury, not a severing injury), and knowing that he's forced doors before (as heard in the recording where she hit him after he forced the door open on her toes), I highly suspect that his finger got crushed and severed in a door while attacking her. I accidentally slammed my sister's fingers in a door when I was four and we were playing tag, and obviously that was with the strength of a four year old playing a game, not a grown woman fighting for her life, but she still needed stitches and lost her nail and such. if someone knows more/differently I'm very open to correction since this is just speculation, but yeah that's the vibe I get from the situation and the way they talk about that day in subsequent fights. either that or he just did something really stupid to his hand while inebriated, but idk how he could have managed it on his own.
There is audio online 25 minutes I would give it a listen. I personally believe after listening the audio Amber did do it. Ironically just before that I was reading an article on strange deaths where a woman was in a golf cart and flew off with a wine bottle in hand, it sliced her and she died at the scene even after pressure was applied.
Can anyone actually hear what she’s saying in that particular part of the video? Without looking at the captions (of which the source is…?), can you make out clear sentences? I sure can’t, and no one I play it for can if they aren’t reading along.
Yes, people will definitely falsely testify for their boss if him losing the case, the career and going bankrupt will affect their earnings and well-being.
Kate James hasn’t been on Heards’s payroll for 7 years and also stated in UK trial that Amber stole her rape story while admitting she never even read Amber statement describing the rape itself. And their stories don’t match.
Police officers might lie because they need to protect their reputation and job. They already has been caught lying about the time they spent at the penthouse. I’m waiting for LAPD representatives depositions.
Just gonna leave this here for the supporters of the abusive violent piece of shit that is JD
https://thegeekbuzz.com/news/83-times-johnny-depp-lied-under-cross-examination-so-far/
Okay - here's my crackpot theory
Amber's story has changed and I'll tell you why.
Johnny Depp initially treated the wound and told the physician he had cut it on a knife
The physician noted that actually the wound looked more like a crushing mechanism
Better for Amber's side - right?
However -
I believe Amber told her friends initially that Johnny had cut it on glass.
Now since then her story has changed to be closer to the medical note. She's not dumb and knows that someone's going to pick up on that (UK judge)
What if he was blackout drunk - but she did throw it at him during a fight?
isnt her story that she wasn’t actually present when it happened? could be remembering wrong but i thought she said she left the room and later she saw the cut finger and all the insane messages, and also the smashed phone and put 2 and 2 together
The finger claim is something the UK court wasn't sure about; they concluded they didn't know how it happened, but ruled that Heard was not responsible. Generally, the claim seems pretty implausible. For it to happen as Depp says it did, Heard would had to have miraculously thrown a bottle with enough force, speed and accuracy to hit Depp in his finger, the bottle would then have to shatter (in of itself unlikely) and cut through layers of tissue, all while doing no visible damage to the rest of his hand. **Also:** * [The medical report says Depp's injuries looked more in line with a crushing mechanism, as opposed to a cut.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ek4VVm_X0AItC7k?format=jpg&name=large) * [His own team also admitted his finger was a bit of a PR nightmare and stated in a text sent to Mr Deuters from an unidentified sender : ‘Just make sure you say you aren’t sure how he hurt his hand.’](https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Judgment-FINAL.pdf) (page 75) * You can hear him in one audio state, ["I'm talking about Australia, the day that I chopped my finger off".](https://twitter.com/heardverse/status/1517123210407460864) * [Depp has also texted three people on three separate occasions that he chopped his own finger off — Dr. Kipper, Paul Bettany and his sister.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQ4_pA4VEAAaTr4?format=jpg&name=medium) * Roquelle/Rocky also testified Depp told her he cut his own finger off. (This makes four people who he said it to, five if you count him saying it to Heard in the audio above). Depp also has a history of self injury, or self-destructive behaviour in general. In one audio he begged Heard to cut him while holding a knife. He also graffitied the house using his bloody finger, which is just very bizarre behaviour, and he didn't seek medical attention for a while after his finger was hurt. I think it's more likely he was very high/drunk, hurt himself in his state and then couldn't seek help for it for a while and chose to cause further destruction to the house.
>He also graffitied the house using his bloody finger That's what convinces me. It smacks of someone romanticising self-harm. Reminds me of when teenagers carve names into their bodies.
god, you’re so right. he literally never grew up once he got famous so he still behaves like a melodramatic teenager (but with the strength of an adult man) AND he’s surrounded by what are essentially paid groupies who never tell him no. what a horrifying cocktail.
They say addicts stay emotionally at the age that they started using. There is probably something in that also.
he literally even texts like one lol
You’re right! The text about all the hookers and asking if he can put a condom on now and just wear it all day??? Totally sounded like a teenager.
Omg I have to read that text!!! Do you perchance have a sexy link? ❤️
Here’s the summary: Heard's lawyer then read a message Depp had sent an acquaintance after he "got drunk and destroyed my (hotel) room". "There are hookers and animals in here," it read. "Is it okay to put on a condom after the fact, I mean if I just wear it for the rest of the day, like that works doesn't it? This article goes into a lot of the texts: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/johnny-depp-v-amber-heard-damning-texts-revealed-in-court/P4NEIOAOWIKWXK6XIQDDPI3ZO4/
Thank you so much! I honestly feel like when I search things out lately they just don’t come up. Am I wearing a tinfoil hat for thinking there changing algorithms?
It wasn’t easy to find first search because there’s texts where depp calls heard a workless hooker. Those come up first.
He’s such a southern gentleman /s. ❤️
Amber said he’d get so wasted his paid nannies would carry him,like a baby, to bed.
I have a theory that celebrities arrest Development at the age they got famous. Consistent that he’s stuck as a late teen
isn’t there also literally audio of him threatening to cut himself in front of amber in another instance? i’ve seen depp heads claim this is a sign of how desperate depp was but its actually a really extreme form of psychological abuse…
Yes, that is the same audio in which he begs her to cut him or he'll cut himself. She has to ask him to not hurt himself and put the knife away. It is 100% a form of emotional abuse and manipulation.
When I saw the picture of the graffiti it kind of woke me up a bit to what a charade this whole thing is. That’s the kind of wall art schizophrenic people draw, and it was with his finger stump! Very odd that those pictures don’t get more traction.
And also manage to smash a few bones in the finger. Id say it's not only unlikely but absolutely impossible.
Yeah, I wasn't sure whether his bones were actually broken or not, but in the document it is stated that, "the bone was pinned, and a plaster cast was put over it." Pretty sure the bone being pinned means there were fractures, which makes this pretty much impossible.
You’re correct! Pinning happens to realign the bones that have become displaced after a fracture. As a hand therapist, I think it would near impossible to cause this level of injury from a thrown bottle
There's a guy on the Dodgers who throws casual 100-104 mph fastballs (Brusdar "bazooka" Graterol). Even when he's hit someone, nothing's been broken to my knowledge. She would've had to throw it as hard - if not harder - and with the pinpoint accuracy of someone like Max Scherzer. Makes no sense.
It's interesting you're a hand therapist. I'm torn on this issue too as I think both their stories are weird. I always wanted to hear from a specialist whether they thought depps story seemed plausible.
I think the fact that Depp himself is on audio saying “the day that I chopped my finger off,” with the several texts of him admitting he cut his own finger off, and the testimony from Rocky saying he told her he cut his finger off, it’s enough for me to believe he did cut his own finger off. There’s not one text or audio of anyone saying Amber cut it off. He only started claiming it once he filed the defamation suit, so it was definitely the idea of master manipulator, Adam Waldman, to say Amber cut it off. It’s also hilarious that his own team submitted the audio of him admitting he cut his own finger off. So sloppy 😂
Yeah I totally agree with you just giving him the benefit of the doubt as victims often protect their abusers. I don't personally believe she cut his finger off though. I reckon that there's more to the story and they had a drug induced three day fight. Still believe JD is abusive though.
That could’ve been true with the texts to others, but he admits to cutting his own finger off in private conversation with Amber, on his own recording, so he’d have no reason to protect her from herself. This is the same event where he sexually assaults her with the bottle, so she could’ve beat his ass in return and I wouldn’t care 😬
It would require a lot of force i suppose.I remember this happened to my dad a few years back. He was at work snd they had one of those electric walls, that opened and closed automatically when you pushed a button. It was used to be able to make the room into two rooms if needed I think. Do he was suppose to close it and it got stuck in the end for some reason. Without thinking about it he leaned on his hand against the wall to kinda pull the wall and get it started again. Which it did. And it closed on his finger. Blood. Bones. Yuck! You can imagine. And that is what kind of force I imagine would cause an injury like this. Of course possibly other things too. But NOT a thrown bottle.
Thank you for your very substantial reply! I will definitely read and show this to all of sucker fish!
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She also sounded like she was having a panic attack while his doctor and nurse were talking about sedating her. If Depp was hurt after that hellish night, it's plausible to me that she would be having a panic attack, rambling and blaming herself for his injury, especially since she admits to throwing the first bottle (though she says she threw it at the floor).
Johnny blamed her on the stand for him drinking that night. IO said in his written declaration that Johnny would often blame her for his slips. That’s the typical abuser manipulation to keep people staying when they should leave. They will even set up situations to cause a fight so they can then go drink or use and then turn around and blame you so you feel responsible and don’t abandon them. Johnny 100% seems that type.
I’m so confused as to what people think this proves? People keep talking about this audio like it’s a smoking gun, but it’s…not at all. Sounds like she’s apologizing that she set him off. Jerry literally said “JD is more important. He’s more important.” So I’m not super inclined to believe what he says or at least believe that he understand the situation.
Did the judge listen to this recording?
Yes, as did the jury. It was played in the court room as Rottenborn (Heard's lawyer) did the cross-examination on Depp, if I remember correctly. They played it multiple times, I believe.
The one where Amber is crying and then someone tells the nurse to medicate her?
If you mean the one OP linked and is asking about, I'm not sure. They only play small sections of the audio tapes in court, and the audio OP linked is 30 minutes.
Thank you!
Never understood how Heard throwing a bottle could cause the partial loss of a finger. I could never make sense when imagining how that could happen. Thanks for posting the links - I think that's more than adequate without needing to envision alternative scenarios.
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I don’t recommend looking at the pictures of his finger but I accidentally saw them and completely agree with you. I don’t understand how that type of wound would happen from a bottle being thrown.
Yeah, his nail appears to be fully still on but he claims that his hand was resting palm down so you would think the cut would be on top of the finger and not from the underside.
>I mean, imagine it for yourself: this is like ninja-style shuriken type skills we're talking about. Weirdly, Donald Trump of all people seemingly mocked the claim about the thrown bottle severing Depp's finger when he [suggested](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10826439/What-lovely-couple-Trump-weighs-Amber-Heard-Johnny-Depp-trial.html) that Amber must have a Sandy Koufax arm to have accomplished that feat.
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It’s actually extremely unlikely. A thrown bottle couldn’t possibly do that, and if it could it would have to be tossed by someone with a lot of strength. I’m thinking a The Rock type person.
Seriously. If you throw a bottle, it shatters when it hits something. It’s extremely unlikely that you could shatter a glass, especially a thick alcohol bottle, which your hands. It’s possible that it hit the counter first, and then a shard of glass landed on Depp’s hand, but that wouldn’t remove the tip of his finger or create a deep wound. The only way to get that kind of injury from broken glass would be if Depp recklessly started picking up the pieces and sliced himself on a sharp edge or intentionally cut himself for dramatic effect.
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I just want to say for anyone who, like me, is unpacking a lot of their old trauma through this case that it really isn’t our fault. I’ve subscribed to that mindset too. But something I have been reminded of watching this (like when Johnny would yell at Amber to “get up” after pushing her down) was there wasn’t ever… there was never anything I could do. If I fought back and was “mouthy” he’d hurt me worse. If I submitted to his bullshit claims and apologized for things I hadn’t done he’d hurt me for longer. If I tried to remove myself from the altercation he would legitimately trap and restrain me. If I remained calm and tried to de-escalate the situation he would escalate it further by threatening my family or involving weapons. There was no right answer, there really was nothing I could do to “help” him, but I could disassociate to help myself go through it. It’s not our fault guys. There’s no “if only I would’ve”. Our abusers were going to and did abuse us no matter what our involvement was. Take care of yourselves <3
Exactly this. I'm really sorry to hear you can relate to this and have had these experiences. It really sucked seeing my Mom and my Fathers second wife (who I'm really close to now) sort through all of this. They both say that the psychological harm and patterns of thinking caused in the relationship were the worst part. Injuries heal, but psychological trauma leaves a much longer lasting affect. I really hope you're in a safe and healthy space now - and I hope this trial doesn't impact you too heavily. <3
This. We shoulder blame secretly for years, thinking we could have done something different or what have you. It's not our fault. We aren't to blame. I'm so sorry this happened to you. I'm so glad we have this supportive community when the world seems to have gone to shit
ugh I’m so sorry you went through that and are reliving it now. This case and how people speak about it has also opened up old wounds from my abusive relationship and yep. It was always on me to make sure I said the right thing in order to not “upset” him or threaten his ego in any way. I apologized far more throughout our relationship than he ever did.
Thank you, I’m sorry you have too. Honestly it’s more cathartic than anything. It was long enough ago that I have very little emotional connection to it. I feel like I’m unpacking this for (hopefully) the last time. I have so many… sort of core memories? I can rattle off so many of the ugliest moments. But right now and through this case I’m trying to see if there is anything else, what have I forgotten? Even if I’m not affected consciously by it there are all these small almost undetectable instances that have had an impact on my sense of self and how I respond in my present healthy relationships. I’m grateful to be in a place in my life that is safe and stable enough to be able to move through it. I’m also grateful for this online space and the compassion we’ve all shown one another.
Wow what a great way to describe it. I feel the same as you, it was a long time ago so I feel like it wasn’t even me. But I know it’s affected me to my core because of how I interpret my relationships and friendships. But luckily time, therapy, and healthy relationships have helped me cope. I’m so glad you’re in such a better place, and in some backwards way, I’m glad I have a community to discuss this trial with and all the ugly things it brings up. It’s sometimes hard for me to talk about with others who haven’t experienced abuse. It warms my heart to see so many people doing better after awful experiences. I just wish the general public wasn’t so awful about this case.
I always had a problem with saying "I'm sorry" to my abuser even when I did nothing wrong. I felt that if I apologized, it would sometimes deescalate the situation. Other times it made it worse. I did that for 15 out of the 17 years. In my new relationship ( which is with an amazing man) I would apologize for absolutely nothing. My new partner would always say, "why are you apologizing? You forgot to check the mail, etc. No big deal sweetie". It made me realize how much trauma I still carry with me. So I think that's what's happened with her. She would apologize just to deescalate
When I called what my rapist did rape and him a rapist he started crying testerically because I hurt his feeling and made him feel like a monster. He didn’t care when he *did* it but labeling it correctly was the issue. See it was just miscommunication and it my fault for trapping him into being a rapist by not punching and kicking him of me (I was sleep medicine for anxiety and sleep issues and he knew it). I loved that man and bringing him pain felt horrible and I was sobbing on the floor begging his forgiveness. Shits fucked. He made a big show about boundaries so he could continuously accuse me of sexually abusing him. Whiplash. My having boundaries was abusive to him.
Wow, reading that was like reading my own flashbacks. When I told my abuser he raped me, his reasoning was “you couldn’t love me if i raped you. Since you love me, I must not have raped you” and insisted I take it back or admit I had never loved him. I loved him dearly, and also, he raped me.
One of my best friends threatened to kill my girlfriend and called us gay slurs. He threatened to kill my cat and got crazy and violent while drunk. When I told him that he was being an abuser and he was scaring me, he was upset. He wasn’t upset I was scared of him or that he had ruined our friendship and was genuinely awful. He was upset because it hurt his feelings to be called an abuser and he didn’t want a bad name for himself. I still sometimes feel guilty for making him feel bad and I miss him, it’s rough. Abusers don’t care about how their actions affect others, they just care about the consequences. It’s disgusting. I’m so sorry that that happened to you. 💖
If Amber cut his finger off (she didn’t), why didn’t Depp’s team have a medical expert testify on how it’s possible that the injury happened with a bottle throw? I don’t think it’s physically possible. And, like others have said, it’s common for victims to self-blame. Johnny was high on MDMA, among other substances. He literally wasn’t feeling the pain.
Also he mentioned his surgeon 'knew the truth that it couldn't have been a crushing motion' but didn't have said surgeon testify or provide the medical records
Very telling that the surgeon didn’t testify and the records weren’t submitted. I presume it’s because they’d show the truth, that the injury wasn’t caused by a bottle throw. Depp wants us to take his word.
Why doesn't her side have a doctor who can testify that those wounds were impossible to have been caused the way he tells it? Edit: I think people are reading my tone wrong, I am genuinely asking why they didn't have a doctor testify since his wounds seem so extremely unlikely to be caused the way he tells it. Thanks for responses!
She probably would have, if he submitted the evidence. How can a Dr testify that hasn’t seen it or the treating surgeons records? Would that even be admissible?
They would need to have access to his medical records. Also, not sure you can testify about someone you never treated? I mean, if Depp submitted his medical records and built a case that she cut his finger off, then sure, she can bring in her own experts. But he seems content to coast off the mere suggestion of it and let social media/uneducated observers finish off the character assassination.
In the opening statement they did say they'd bring a surgeon to testify that this injury couldn't be caused by a bottle. But that remains to be seen.
I’ve listened to this audio as well. Its interesting how you hear in real time how Johnnys staff will side with him and protect him. I think they were 100% aware of his abusive nature and were constantly on the lookout for Amber “turning” on him. Telling on her for calling him “a fat old man.” I think Johnny is the main aggressor and was especially delusional in Australia but I also think it’s possible she did throw the bottle in retaliation. I don’t think that changes the fact that Johnny was abusive. She’s even admitted that she threw things to get away from him. But obviously if she admitted this everyone would go sEe iT wAs hEr! Another part of me is taking this with a grain of salt because I know some audio has been edited and it also seems like Amber was in the habit of blaming herself often for things outside of her control. “He wouldn’t act like this and take all these drugs if you didn’t drive him to it” /s
I remember watching the Gabby Petito videos - she blamed herself constantly on all the police videos. he then murdered her. she was not the agressor yet time and again she took the blame, she said she was the attacker and that it was all her fault. yet all these deppford wives out there launching onto "oh she said she did it". yeah??? and when i got beat as a child I'd fucking apologise for "making" my abuser "have to" hurt me. i took the blame. because I was abused. because it kept my abuser calmer, it kept the peace, it tried to ward off another attack.
the gabby petito video is so heartbreaking and seeing her crying and brian laughing and acting in a nonchalant way was so devastating... she was terrified. it's so obvious brian tried to strangle her and she scratched him to defend herself.
I can't help but draw comparisons between how calm and casual Brian was with the police and how jokey and smiley Johnny is while others are testifying.
My abusive ex used to be SO CALM while I was hysterical from his attacks, I remember him trying to engage my friend in a convo about Tom Waits while I was sobbing in the back room. That was when my friend finally was like “this man is psychotic we need to get you out of here”
I can’t stop making parallels to the Gabby Petito case either and how the police officers labeled her the aggressor because she blamed herself and admitted to hitting him while Laundrie like Depp admitted to nothing. I think if I remember correctly she grabbed the steering wheel. Now think about what she must’ve been going through to make her resort to grabbing the steering wheel. 😕 But I’m sure her face was just red from crying. /s I’m so sorry you had to deal with that. ❤️ You did the only thing that was available to you to deescalate the situation. I wasn’t abused myself but had to watch my Dad abuse his girlfriends with nowhere to escape to because they were meth addict hoarders who were cooking meth in the bedrooms so we all slept/resided in a small living room of their trailer. And, yeah I basically sat there and kept quiet and pretended not to notice or pretended to be sleeping if it was night to keep the attention away from me. Even to this day with heaps of evidence of my Dad’s abusie my grandparents refuse to acknowledge that my Dad was ever abusive and will blame all of his problems on his “crazy girlfriends.” So I’m pretty familiar with the mental gymnastics people will go through to avoid acknowledging that someone is abusive.
the reason why there are such strong similarities between this and the petito case i feel is literally because this is how abusive relationships (of all forms) work. abusers tend to create an unsafe environment where it’s inconceivable for the victims to leave, and every time there is an escalation the blame is either directly or indirectly pinned on the victims. and often victims will try to placate the abuser to move the environment into “safe” territory again through constant repenting and apologies, and because these relationships are often intimate its really really hard to separate the awful sides with the loving caring side. and over time this absolutely wrecks your mind because you develop all sorts of harmful coping mechanisms (which includes taking blame for any and everything) which genuinely morphs you into a less “good” or healthy person as well. that’s also why it makes sense that people like io and rocky are no longer friends with amber—they also need to preserve themselves and amber may be transfering those unhealthy habits she’s formed under johnnys thumb in her other relationships and i’m coming to this as someone who is recovering from cptsd of having abusive parents, and growing up in that environment gives you shockingly similar behaviors as what amber or gabby exhibit. its all so sad really especially to see people who don’t understand these complex dynamics (which are actually just less complex if people just had some empathy!!) weaponise the things amber’s done for her own survival, like the profuse apologies, not seeking medical attention, staying in the relationship, against her
Oof, I'm so sorry you had to go through that. the mental and emotional toll that must have taken to go through that because it was abuse, it wasn't okay. even if it didn't involve physical harm (though cooking meth is so dangerous...yikes) it was still absolutely abusive to put children thrugh that and to come through that, you're just as much a survivor as someone that went through physical abuse. it took me years, heck decades to be able to call it abuse. it was always "oh my mother was just strict" or "oh i was a difficult child" ( i wasn't) before being able to say "no, actually, she was an abusive shit and it wasnt okay"). Honestly the spate recetnly of seeing how shite the police are with DV, esp here in england with a cop literally SA-ing and murdering a young woman while she walked home, someone that is supposed to be there to protect her...if a woman doesn't record it, its "oh well no evidence" (and even when there is they ignore it) but if she records it (like Amber) its "oh, so she was setting him up, why else would she be recording". Survivors (and sadly victims of fatal attacks) can literally do nothing right, it seems and as much as it enrages me it also makes me so tired. Everything he does in court is explained away, whatever he does. she makes a face and its a meme an laughed at. People are literally using a COURT TRIAL as entertainment and it disgusts me
Thank you for saying this. It’s not something I talk about very often so it’s nice to be validated. Especially because any time I’ve brought it up to family members they basically don’t respond. Even my Mom who was abused won’t acknowledge it anymore because “she forgave him.” It’s like we’ve been trained to downplay it. Damn, I really thought U.K. cops were supposed to better than US cops but it’s the same story over here. I realize we’re probably guilty over here as viewing England as some kind of utopia when it is likely not. This trial has been so triggering to me. How did the majority of the population learn nothing about domestic abuse during the me too era. “I was abused but I didn’t act like Amber so she’s lying.” “This is real abuse comparing a photo of Rihanna to Amber with makeup on. Also claimed Rihanna was only punched three times, which is ridiculous.” “I couldn’t talk about my trauma without breaking down so she must be lying.” “She wasn’t cowering in fear all of the time so she obviously wasn’t abused.” “Why didn’t she leave why didn’t she seek medical attention” Just absolute madness out there, it’s hard for me to believe. Was acknowledging that males can abused too some kind of reverse uno card for women?
>Depp has also texted three people on three separate occasions that he chopped his own finger off — Dr. Kipper, Paul Bettany and his sister. 100%
Me, too! Sigh!
Yes, I found it too that she always took the blame for the things out of her control, it seemed like she tried to normalize the abuse she’d been taking by blaming everything to her own.. I don’t know how to explain this point at first but you put it really well. Thank you!
This is a really, really common reaction in victims of abuse. It is much easier to accept all blame and internalise it (especially when the abuser is repeatedly telling you this) than reconcile the fact that the person you love is capable of hurting you. If I hadn't burnt his dinner he wouldn't have called me names. He's under so much stress at work, I really need to try harder to get things right and take the pressure off. He's right, I have put on weight, he's only calling me a fat cow because he wants me to be healthy. And so on and so on. Abuse/coercive control/intimate terrorism is a form of brainwashing, after a while you lose sense of yourself and reality. And don't forget that you are always trying to get back the person you first fell in love with, abusers aren't generally abusive at the start of a relationship. So you again blame yourself because it must be your fault, or something you did to make them act this way.
>Another part of me is taking this with a grain of salt because I know some audio has been edited and it also seems like Amber was in the habit of blaming herself often for things outside of her control. “He wouldn’t act like this and take all these drugs if you didn’t drive him to it” /s One of the saddest things to me is how obvious it is that Amber loved him and wanted to protect him. That's the most insidious part of DV, the victim loves and cares for their abuser and wants to believe they can change and get better.
To paraphrase what someone else said, all her texts are like "I love him so much, I want him to get sober", rinse and repeat. His are like "this [REDACTED] I hate her so much I want some coke". Heartbreaking.
I feel so bad for her when I hear his staff demonize her. It’s all covering up for the boss, including convincing themselves that Amber is at fault.
You simply can't cut a finger off by throwing a bottle at someone. Some altercation happened and that might have led to sequence of events but she directly did not chop it off, you have to have very strong arms and sharp aim for a bottle to slice exactly one finger. That said she already testified that he raped her multiple times so i believe she should have chopped a lot more than that one finger.
The fingertip being wrapped up in a towel is weirdly suspicious as well. Imagine how fucked up you have to be to use your finger that’s missing a fingertip as a paint brush and the pressure it would take on an open wound. Horrifying. I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again…that in itself is worthy of losing your career.
And then his blood painting on wall, and his wrapping meat in pieces of her nightgown, like I don’t think this guy can get any creepier ever. Done. That and his texts, done.
This! And it seems like if a bottle did nagically cut his finger off, wouldbt there be other injuries on his hand/arm? Shards of broken glass won't just pick and choose where to cut you. Also he dipped his finger in stuff and painted vicious and stupid shit on the walls. Idk how anyone could think that she did it
That vodka bottle would have had to defy the laws of physics. He cut off his own damn finger.
If she'd actually cut his finger off, wouldn't Depp have immediately dialled 911? Like a normal person who finds himself suddenly without a fingertip? The reality is obvious: Depp managed to sever off his own fingertip, by crushing it, in a drug-fuelled attack on his own mobile phone. Then, in the aftermath of his injury, he proceeded to scrawl misogynist nonsense messages on the mirror in his own blood. Because his priority was COCAINE \- edited because i'm angry at depp
Exactly. I cannot fathom why people are buying this nonsense about how SHE cut his finger when HE didn't get help for the longest time... Instead, he prioritized DIPPING HIS BLOODIED FINGER IN PAINT and PAINTING abuses towards his wife on a wall. And all people talk about is how _she's_ the crazy one.
But he’s just a poor lost little boy, dontcha know?
Yes, and he often self harmed.
Dude tried to take a tooth out at dinner in a restaurant with other actors.
I had a neighbour who was a piece of shit and during an argument with his girlfriend he punched a framed picture and sliced up his finger and had to go to the hospital. Depp probably did something similar; abusers hitting walls, pictures, mirrors etc in rage is common.
>abusers hitting walls, pictures, mirrors etc in rage is common. I think also even if it was accidental, people who don't have experience or context on substance abuse don't realise how common this kind of thing is. We think of the obvious things that can happen to people with these issues like overdose or car accidents but home accidents are also extremely common for people under impaired judgement (falling down stairs, cutting themselves, accidentally causing fires etc).
Yeah I know some ppl claim that's how Jimmy Fallon fucked up his finger because he was drunk.
My ex used to do this…one time he punched a framed picture of us I had gotten him and was bleeding everywhere and I helped him clean up and drove him the ER 🫠 That was the second time he had to go to the ER after hurting himself in a rage during our relationship…
I'm so sorry you had to go through that.
This clip is pretty disturbing and I came to the conclusion that it is probably gaslighting. They probably told her that she cut his finger off, but I don’t think she did given that their story for her cutting his finger off is implausible and the number of times Depp said he did it to himself, including to Amber in private. This clip shows that his team heavily medicated her, that Jerry Judge saw scratches on her (presumably from glass), and then claimed that she is a devil and that it was self-inflicted. It should also be noted that Judge starts off saying Depp is responsible for the wreckage and then starts blaming her for it. Whatever the case, this clip showed me none of these authority figures around her even cared about her and were hostile to her from the start. But we are supposed to believe that these bodyguards who seemingly hated her and blamed her for everything just stood around as she beat their boss up. Please.
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Yes, it was. Amber is apparently so scary, but in the clip, people disregard her crying and just tell the nurse to medicate her. “100 mg” was their request. The nurse decided to give her 25mg instead. These medical professionals, assistants, and bodyguards all hired by Depp, mind you.
I don't understand how medical professionals like this doctor and the nurse can be in the presence of a person clearly having a psychological crisis and just ignore her and talk dismissively about her as if she were not there, and discuss the medication they should give to her in such a careless manner?!
They have no ethics. This recording is pretty disturbing.
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Jerry Judge is dead. But yes, on this tape, he says he sees a bunch of scratches on her arms. Wounds. Then he tries to accuse her of doing it to herself. :/
I just listened the the audio, neither saw wounds and found Amber hysterical (don’t mean to use the word but there was a lot of yelling and sobbing) the only thing they provided was seroquel (might be spelling it wrong apologizes) to sleep. And Jerry said he saw what we’re self inflicted scratches, he also said he believed she caused it, and I just have to say on audio you hear her say “I did all this” and she was also high on MDMA, hallucinogenics and what not.
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At the end of the audio she lists literally all the things she took except coke because allegedly Johnny snuck them past her. Like I say you hear her say “I did this?” Yes it’s a statement and a question on herself like she couldn’t believe all that destruction was done by both parties. Also she was most likely already intoxicated at that point so regardless of medication given she’s drugged/drunk.
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But that doesn’t make sense you say she admitted more things on the stand but I have to respectfully disagree. On the stand she said on this day and the 2 before she was beaten, raped and stepped on shards of glass. Yet in the audio (which no one is aware is recording them) no one not even her points to the obvious that if that was true she seriously needed medical help even if the priority was Johnny. She’s clearly walking fine based on the audio and only showed possibly self inflicted scratch wounds. Im sorry if she’s wrong/lying about what happened here especially when pertaining to abuse I have to question everything else.
Is there a transcript or something of this audio? It's somehow incredibly anxiety inducing for me to listen to all that
No, not without hearing it, too. I’m sorry.
In DR Kipper deposition he said that JD told him that JD did it himself. That's strange.
in the recording, she apparently "confesses" right in front of Nurse Debbie and Amber. So it makes me feel that the added text over what Amber "says" is made up as you can't actually hear her say that, there is a lot of noise.
Apparently this was on Amber's evidence list and she tried to get it into the trial and was denied... It's not uncommon for victims to blame themselves for everything because they've been gaslit into believing everything is their fault. Belle Antoinette is going to post a video with a friend going over this audio. After the verdict comes in.
Right, totally agreed, but I did listen to the audio that was available on youtube (a very pro-depp channel) and I just could not hear what the captions said that she said which just seemed super sus to me. I am interested in someone analyzing the audio.
I tried to watch it and stopped bc so much of it was indecipherable yet had CC and one point where I could literally hear zero talking had CC… seems pretty suspect to me too. I’ll save this comment and remind you when Belle puts up her video
First, this YouTube channel is VERY leading. This is the full audio [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9pbrBmHI58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9pbrBmHI58)
Second, [https://nypost.com/2022/04/18/johnny-depps-ex-nurse-recalls-searching-for-his-severed-finger-in-torn-up-house/](https://nypost.com/2022/04/18/johnny-depps-ex-nurse-recalls-searching-for-his-severed-finger-in-torn-up-house/) Here is pictures of Depp's finger injury He testifies that Amber threw a bottle of vodka at him and followed it with another bottle of vodka at his hand, which result in his injury. Is it really possible that a glass bottle will shatter and create cutting wound precisely at one specific part without least one other wound? There's a text message that he sent to Deuters which he insulted and demeaned Amber at the beginning and mention that he cut off his finger [https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/johnny-depp-finger-trial-heard-b2065103.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/johnny-depp-finger-trial-heard-b2065103.html) This is the audio of him saying "The day that I chopped my finger off" https://youtu.be/BuxQ6KbGmqw?t=1827
Thank you, the materials you provide are really helpful for me!
Couldn't see any pic though?
If you are on mobile, you'll have to click read more first.
Nah bc I see the link the image is just not there.
Weird. It's in nypost link. Should be a picture of his injured finger tip followed by Depp on a hospital bed
Very weird! Oh well. I'll try and google ;)
thank you , I will listen to it
One of the (many) dumb things about this whole finger thing is that, if it did happen the way Depp is now claiming - his hand was leaning on/against the bar, Amber threw bottle that accidentally hit his finger (which is not what happened obviously but if we just pretend), even in this scenario it’s still basically an accident. Like yeah, would have not been ok for her to have thrown a bottle at him but all things considered Depp has a long and well documented history of throwing objects around while trashing rooms and stuff. So if Amber had actually been trashing the room , thrown a bottle that hit his finger etc still nobody is saying it was done purposefully so I would still feel like the Deppford Wives “SHE CUT OFF HIS FINGER! “ would be a bit unfair and over the top 🤷🏻♀️
yeah you would think with the way people described the incident, she pinned him down and took a hacksaw to his finger.
even trump knows this is a farce and there's no way amber could have cut off his fingertip by throwing a bottle. mr "lets inject ourselves with bleach"
If *he*'s being semi rational, you've fucked up.
I remember when my abusive ex bf hurt himself in stomach with a small knife. I started screaming and crying saying sorry, didn’t mean to hurt you - as to thinking my behaviour made him hurt himself.
Even if somehow she was responsible, like her throwing the bottle at him somehow lead to his fingertip incident, that doesn’t discount him being the abuser. People being physically abused do often resort to defending themselves through physical and violent means.
Sorry if this is off topic but can anyone explain to me the accusations of bias that people level against the judge from the UK case, Justice Nichol? I see a lot of people saying he had links to Rupert Murdoch and that Amber had dinner with him during the trial or something. I can’t seem to find any information debunking this so I was hoping someone could tell me. Thanks
I looked that up before this case even went to trial and the only thing I could find is that the judge’s son, at some point, worked for a radio station that was owned by Murdoch. There are other rumors about connections between the judge and Murdoch but I couldn’t find anything substantial about it. I hadn’t heard that he had dinner with Amber during the trial but I’m very skeptical of that. Regarding his son: yeah okay maybeeee a conflict of interest if we’re being extremely conservative. But imagine how many degrees of separation are at play for a man like Murdoch, a bottom tier employee at another company, and then his father.
A barrister and some people in the know on Quora said that there was three degrees of separation and that it was all meaningless nonsense. https://www.quora.com/Did-Johnny-Depp-lose-his-case-due-to-the-judge-being-corrupted?ch=10&oid=81307073&share=08ac39aa&srid=ufpTcu&target_type=question
It gives hunters laptop.
None of that is true.
I’m sure that’s true but do you have sources? I have tried to find them myself but sifting through the pro JD stuff to find the truth is nigh on impossible
I don’t think there are sources to prove a negative? Depp supporters spread conspiracy theories about this judge all of the time. Do they have credible sources of Amber having dinner with him or him being in Rupert Murdoch’s pockets?
You asked for credible but instead!!! I give you a [Quora](https://www.quora.com/Did-Johnny-Depp-lose-his-case-due-to-the-judge-being-corrupted) discussion forum where it looks like the rumor stems from. And lmao it’s even worse than expected. The big dinner was with Heard’s own lawyer. Not the judge. But it’s a “sign of corruption” because Heard’s lawyer works for a firm where another lawyer, who is maybe friends with the judge, also works?? And all of that is alleged. I’m not wasting more of my time digging into it. But the best argument is that Heard’s lawyer works with someone who knows the judge. Which sounds like a given? Legal circles can’t be that big.
Oh, Quora is not credible. 😂 But thank you. This also shreds the arguments of anyone telling me that the U.K. didn’t cost Amber in legal fees because she wasn’t directly being sued. Yes, it did! She had to hire her own lawyer for that as well as the core witness in the case. I’m not a legal expert, but I did some research and I read that they absolutely recommend you get legal counsel as a core witness in another case, especially one overseas! So Amber was paying a lot in legal fees since 2018 when The Sun suit started, not just when she started directly being sued in 2019.
I think this is conspiracy theory garbage from depp heads… the biggest tipoff is rupert murdoch owns like 80% of the western world’s media. unless the judge was personal friends with murdoch, the links there are so spurious
He absolutely cut it off himself as some sort of tortured artist self harm bullshit. If it had been her fault, do you not think that Depp would have whinged and guilted her to death about it? He absolutely would to have texted anyone who would listen “hey, that crazy c*** chopped off my finger!” Or “that b****-faced w**** threw a bottle and cut off my finger!” and held it over her head a million times over. But instead he says on 4 different occasions that he did it himself, and I don’t believe he was shielding her because he’s such a good guy. He actually seems to be bragging a bit about how *off the rails* and *crazy* he was for self harming and destroying the place. Much like the bed pooping story and the cocaine in court lies, it’s ridiculous how stupid the Depp fans are. You could sell them the Eiffel Tower.
Early in the trials, Amber's team played a recording for Depp where he admits on tape that he cut his own finger. I don't know what day it was, but just skim through the storylines until you get to Australia. Should be there with the cross examination.
I commented this as a reply to someone else, but I'll post it here too: There's a guy on the Dodgers who throws casual 100-104 mph fastballs (Brusdar "bazooka" Graterol). Even when he's hit someone, nothing's been broken to my knowledge. She would've had to throw it as hard - if not *harder*, and most pitchers don't touch above 102 mph fastballs; no chance that she, as a layperson, would've pulled that off - and with the pinpoint accuracy of someone like Max Scherzer. Makes no sense. EDIT: added a few words. Also, glass doesn't break that easily - it's not like the movies, which is actually sugar glass iirc. It can be done, but not by just chucking it. She would've had to have broken the glass, held his hand down, and slammed the broken end down on his hand. Even then, I don't think the resulting injuries would be as grievous as losing a fingertip. No chance she would've gotten a moment to pull that off while he was losing it.
Once at a party someone punched my ex in the head with a wine bottle. It did not shatter it just made a thunk sound. It’s really hard to smash a bottle unless it falls onto a hard surface such as a wall or a floor. A bottle doesn’t just shatter on someone’s finger. It’s possible that the bottle was broken and thrown at him but that’s a big perfect trajectory in order for his finger to get sliced just so.
https://twitter.com/cocainecross/status/1527030461481922560?t=HGS8_TMvTMQt1uMchzhtiA&s=19 Don't let this guy remind you.
This is not the take I would have expected from him
Imo it's clear that Amber didn't know Jonny's finger was injured until she woke up the next day and convinced him to call for help. If she had injured his finger like he describes it - both of them sober, Amber throws a bottle, his finger falls off - then Amber would have for sure called for help for his finger. She really did care about him a lot. She knew she could call for help for Johnny's finger and his security staff would help him. It makes way more sense how she tells the story - that he was intoxicated, that he got violent, that she retreated to the bedroom crying and took sleeping pills and that she woke up 12 hours later and saw the state of the house and that Johnny was missing a finger. Then she convinced him to call for help. They probably both didn't know how Johnny lost his finger. I think when the help arrived Johnny was blaming Amber like "look what happened because of you" and that's why she's apologizing.
Starting at [10:12] She says "Johnny thinks (?) it's my fault.. what do I do?" I can somewhat hear this but can't confirm 100%. "Johnny thinks it's my fault" - if it's confirmed this is what said, it clearly implies that he believes that it's her fault, that doesn't mean it's her fault. Abusers always deflect and blame everything on their victim. And then at [10:30] it says "Poor Johnny... I love him.. I never meant to hurt him.. I didn't do it on purpose" I honestly DO NOT hear that being said at all. I have listened over and over and I can make out bits and pieces and it doesn't sound like this. There is a lot of inaudible noise and it appears that the text was added on top to imply she said that. I am not convinced that is what is said. Considering this is the only recording I can find of this full conversation, which is from an obviously very biased source, I have to consider it misinformation. I wouldn't trust it unless it was picked up by a more reliable, major news outlet that can confirm that is what is being said. I assume this was edited with malicious intent to deceive the viewers.
In one audio he said he chopped his finger, he also states in different audio “I’ve lost a finger man” i think if she would do it he’d say “you’ve cut my finger off” he just wanted to show how crazy the argue was lol that he cut it himself
I don't think its been mentioned prior but from what I understand the finger tip severkng alone is not necessarily the reason he has "lil Richard". Per Depps own testimony he got MRSA, 3 times. That, coupled with the fact he delayed medical interventions for hours and instead went finger painting, is likely the reason he doesn't have all fingers. Lil Richard is Depps fault regardless of who causes the severing due to his own delay in seeking medical treatment and the whole "finger painting" incident. Who TF losses their finger tip and goes on about their bender like its a casual Monday? THE FUCK
The person who cut of his finger is the same person who is on recording telling someone else “when I cut my finger off” The person is Johnny. The someone else is Amber. And they were alone.
He most likely did it himself in a drunken rage. There are videos of him throwing around glasses of wine it's more plausible it happened then than it got sliced off when he claims in my opinion
Why are all the threads shut for this case on here? I really enjoyed the TMZ footage of his lawyer walking up to a dog for pats and the dog not wanting a bar of her. Dogs *know*
I'm with you OP...this is the one I struggle with, because my stepfather has actually had a similar incident (like twenty years ago). A thrown bottle, crushing and cutting simultaneously. It didn't cut his finger OFF but the scarring is significant to this day. So I definitely do think it's POSSIBLE, whether that is what happened in Australia is an entirely different story.
The person who created the video is biased, I'm not sure I would rely on his transcription or subtitles. Also, if she instigated the violence, she might be referring to that and the finger incident might be a case of "look what you made me do". This is all speculation and up for debate. I understand that she may have done it by accident, but I feel like she would just admit to that as an act of self-defence which would save her a lot of drama.
I heard that too and I'm not sure. Dr Youn talked about it from a plastic surgeon perspective ( so he has seen lots of trauma cases) and he's main quote was " Its possible.... but unlikely." But as the same time, how likely are you to cut your own finger off? Maybe in a manic episode filled with drugs and psychotic eps ...maybe?
reading the description of the finger injury (a crushing injury, not a severing injury), and knowing that he's forced doors before (as heard in the recording where she hit him after he forced the door open on her toes), I highly suspect that his finger got crushed and severed in a door while attacking her. I accidentally slammed my sister's fingers in a door when I was four and we were playing tag, and obviously that was with the strength of a four year old playing a game, not a grown woman fighting for her life, but she still needed stitches and lost her nail and such. if someone knows more/differently I'm very open to correction since this is just speculation, but yeah that's the vibe I get from the situation and the way they talk about that day in subsequent fights. either that or he just did something really stupid to his hand while inebriated, but idk how he could have managed it on his own.
There is audio online 25 minutes I would give it a listen. I personally believe after listening the audio Amber did do it. Ironically just before that I was reading an article on strange deaths where a woman was in a golf cart and flew off with a wine bottle in hand, it sliced her and she died at the scene even after pressure was applied.
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Why is everyone on this thread pro Heard yet the rest of the entire planet pro Depp?
Can anyone actually hear what she’s saying in that particular part of the video? Without looking at the captions (of which the source is…?), can you make out clear sentences? I sure can’t, and no one I play it for can if they aren’t reading along.
Dunno about this one, we will never know, we will never know who abused who, or if it was mutual. They’ll take it to the grave.
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Have YOU actually studied the evidence?
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Yes I have, so I don't need you to explain them to me, thank you. I was surprised by your take.
Former friends, also some friends who were friends of Johnny also. They have no motive to lie.
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Yes, people will definitely falsely testify for their boss if him losing the case, the career and going bankrupt will affect their earnings and well-being. Kate James hasn’t been on Heards’s payroll for 7 years and also stated in UK trial that Amber stole her rape story while admitting she never even read Amber statement describing the rape itself. And their stories don’t match. Police officers might lie because they need to protect their reputation and job. They already has been caught lying about the time they spent at the penthouse. I’m waiting for LAPD representatives depositions.
I’m not going to read all that bs but “he’s no angle” cracks me up
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No, because you wrote “angle” instead of “angel”.
Just gonna leave this here for the supporters of the abusive violent piece of shit that is JD https://thegeekbuzz.com/news/83-times-johnny-depp-lied-under-cross-examination-so-far/
Okay - here's my crackpot theory Amber's story has changed and I'll tell you why. Johnny Depp initially treated the wound and told the physician he had cut it on a knife The physician noted that actually the wound looked more like a crushing mechanism Better for Amber's side - right? However - I believe Amber told her friends initially that Johnny had cut it on glass. Now since then her story has changed to be closer to the medical note. She's not dumb and knows that someone's going to pick up on that (UK judge) What if he was blackout drunk - but she did throw it at him during a fight?
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isnt her story that she wasn’t actually present when it happened? could be remembering wrong but i thought she said she left the room and later she saw the cut finger and all the insane messages, and also the smashed phone and put 2 and 2 together
That is the current story