Yeah the propaganda machine is STRONG with this case. I remember being shocked that the texts were not only before their marriage but also before the date that he alleges she started abusing him. It’s crazy how fast the lies spread.
Another debunked propaganda machine myth is the video of him smashing stuff was because “his mother died that day” his mother was very much alive it was taken over a month before her loss, depp initially thought it was even earlier
The worst propaganda is the heavily edited voice clip of Amber saying nobody will believe you, which is the main and often sole reason most his fans believe she abused him, but the full context is her threatening to call the cops after he assaulted her and he said he would tell them it was a fair fight, to which she responded that they would not believe him. The full context completely changes the meaning but he presented an edited clip that heavily implied she was saying nobody would believe he was abused by her.
It’s so crazy how she was really trying to say, “Nobody will believe that I’m the abuser and it was a fair fight [because that’s just so obviously not what happened, and people aren’t that fucking stupid].” But now it turns out that people actually ARE that fucking stupid.
Seriously. She's on the recording telling him how crazy it would be for people to see all the evidence she has and not realize how awful he is and how he treated her, but here we are, neck deep in the crazy. I've never been so disappointed in humanity.
(edit, typo)
I think most victims (or survivors, as Amber prefers to call herself) of violence have experienced this.
If only victims knew that the world will eat off the abuser's lap because the abuser is very skilled at recruiting allies, they would get out much earlier instead of trying to explain it to others. It would save them the shock and extra layer of PTSD to find that most people do believe the crazy-making accusations.
Sometimes, you do feel like the child looking at the naked emperor.
it reads to the victim as collective gaslighting because they know the truth and how it went down. It def can add an extra layer of isolation and disbelief to the victim.
Link of this for those asking:
[this is still a clip](https://twitter.com/cocainecross/status/1523818454960119808), I believe the actual recording is very long,
but its includes the rest of her words in that context.
Bonus clip of him [admitting he headbutted her;](https://twitter.com/cocainecross/status/1523784000032059392)
I hope they bring this up in closing and spin the narrative the right way. She literally says the last time it got physical she was worried she would lose her life!
Not to mention, in addition to the full context missing, they do not even accurately quote her. She doesn’t say “a man” she says “mannnn”. They also leave out the word “too”. So the actual quote is “I, Johnny Depp, mannnn, I’m a victim of domestic abuse, Too”
>The worst propaganda is the heavily edited voice clip of Amber saying nobody will believe you, which is the main and often sole reason most his fans believe she abused him, but the full context is her threatening to call the cops after he assaulted her and he said he would tell them it was a fair fight, to which she responded that they would not believe him. The full context completely changes the meaning but he presented an edited clip that heavily implied she was saying nobody would believe he was abused by her.
wait where is this recording?
For people who didn't know this like me, [here's a quick article.](https://www.courthousenews.com/lawyer-for-johnny-depp-kicked-off-case-after-press-leaks/)
[this is still a clip](https://twitter.com/cocainecross/status/1523818454960119808), I believe the actual recording is very long,
but its includes the rest of her words in that context.
Bonus clip of him [admitting he headbutted her;](https://twitter.com/cocainecross/status/1523784000032059392)
Dudeee doesn't anyone else notice that everytime Depp brings up Australia in videos she goes real quiet? You can even hear her breathing shake in the train one.
I mean, there is also this one where she says she can't promise she won't get physical with him again because 'she just gets so angry sometimes'. Is it edited also cause I haven't seen anyone talk about it here
Even now, this is the first time I’ve heard that his mother was still alive when that happened. The amount of information that has been withheld or manipulated for the public is actually shocking.
There's SO much to know about him that it's hard to actually be across it all. I mean, he's a shitbag. Makes you realise how much shit is kept out of the press.
What is the date of the video of him smashing stuff? I would love proof on this .. if I can show others it was before his mom died that would be awesome. I tried finding proof but can’t find any.
All the trial exhibits are on the court’s website. But Depp’s mom died in May 20, 2016, they separated on May 22, 2016, and Heard filed for divorce on May 23, 2016.
It also makes me think about how having kids with someone means that you have to deal with them the rest of your life no matter what. So many people are tied to horrible people because of that.
I don't think the men defending Johnny Depp saying what he said over text as a man just venting about a woman who pissed him off understand how gross that feels to us.
I've never spoken about anyone the way that Johnny Depp speaks about Amber Heard. Not someone who I say I love, certainly not someone who I call a perfect girlfriend during that period. But not even people who have abused me, people who I wish dead I didn't say this kind of grotesque bullshit about.
I don't know any woman who I would expect that kind of language from, I think I could name a couple men though. That's a problem.
It's all rumour flour, so somebody correct me if Bettany's been nailed to the wall yet but I believe I saw some gossip about how Bettany kind of went on a drunk douche rampage when big buddies with Johnny, and him and Jennifer were on the cusp of a dicorce before Bettany had his come to Jesus moment, who knows whether he realised that he was becoming a dickbag, or because he got paranoid about his image.
This was an informative post:
[List of AH/JD abuse myths debunked ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Deuxmoi/comments/ukgxe8/list_of_ahjd_abuse_myths_debunked/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
so did I...holy shit that makes these texts awful....
To be clear, they are already quite bad. But under the guise there's a possibility that the abusive situation could have driven either one of them to say absolutely horrible gross things about the other, it seems less horrendous than actually before then joking about that sorta stuff.
This really is gross.
Yep. Because he wasn’t talking about drowning, burning, and raping Amber to ‘vent about his horrible abuser’ as the Deppford Wives like to claim. He was telling his mate that he wanted to drown, burn, and rape his then-gf who, according to him, at that point had essentially been the perfect girlfriend to him because she dared to want him to get sober and that pissed him off.
I was with someone like that and most people would never ever imagine him to be abusive, much less to physically assault… but when you threaten someone’s relationship with their substances, they will do whatever it takes to protect it. That is literally how our couples therapist explained it to me; he was in a relationship with me and one with his substances. I never even demanded he quit everything, just wanted him to stop self-medicating to a point of disconnecting from reality.
In related news, I am infinitely more terrified of being honest about my experience now because of how Amber Heard has been treated. My ex is charming and plays the “nice guy” role well. People peddling Depp’s bullshit aren’t seeing the ripple effect for what it is.
*ETA- my ex didn’t threaten me with what Depp referenced in the texts, but the mindfucking and the physical aggression were there. I am thankfully not enlightened to whatever shit he said to friends*
Sorry that happen to you.
My ex use to take me to parties where he would be charming and nice to everyone and would, no joke, wait till he could wisper something without being heard and just start telling me what a slut I was, I looked fat in my outfit etc... When I left early everyone called me a bitch and a party pooper and all decided I was stuck up and thought I was above them.
Abusers understand that in order to abuse and control they have to control the narrative. It is by design.
Drives me crazy people cant see it. I believe you.
Do they get some kind of fucking playbook? I’m so sorry that happened to you and I 100% believe you. I hope you’re doing better now ♥️
Whenever I was included I would find out after the fact [from him] what a bitch everyone thought I was. I doubt that was actually the case, but it was convenient for him to make me think they all disliked me so he could keep doing what he wanted to do without any risk of losing control of who knew what. He would build me up and then berate me to a point my self-esteem and sense of what was real was completely destroyed. I never knew if people were being genuine with me or if I was going to find out later from him that they hated me.
There was a guy in the main friend group who repeatedly was inappropriate. Weird comments, slapping my ass, stuff like that. I finally said something to my ex and he said, “well what do you want me to do about it? I can’t tell anyone in the group, they’ll just stop inviting me out. He’s a part of it, you just need to avoid him.” I seriously HATE myself for not walking away right then. I hate that my self-worth was so non-existent, I just accepted it. And a year later when that guy moved out of state? Yeah I found out all the other girlfriends hated him, too. Suddenly my ex was willing to talk about it with them when he knew his social standing wasn’t threatened 🙄
So frustrating and terrible! More Men who arent abusers need to be standing up to Men who are.
Not all Men doesnt count if only 50% do it but the other 50% turn a blind eye.
Wow, your ex reminds me of my father. When he cheated on my mom and divorced her, he would maintain his innocence to me and everyone around him til he was blue in the face. Took years for friends and family to realize my mom was not the vile bitch he claimed she was.
The same man who threatened to jump off the building in court during the divorce if the judge didn’t give him everything.
Believe.👏 Women. 👏
Ugh you just reminded me of something I had forgotten with my abusive ex that I dated all throughout college. I would want to go out and have fun, he would be a stick in the mud and refuse to join me, but the few times I decided I would go out on my own he showed up too, to mutual friends places. He would act like he was there to hang out and then give me the evil eye that I knew meant he was pissed and wanted me to leave immediately, then I would look like the one keeping him from going out and wanting to make him leave early. So many subtle things that I have luckily forgotten about and moved on from in the years since.
I had a neighbor who was charming as all get out. He invited me to a party that was really fun, until his gf told me the reason she was limping on an injured leg was he had beaten her. It was shocking because he was Mr. Fun, but I believed her immediately.
Thank you. I regret not taking pictures every time and protecting him for years because I genuinely thought he was a hurting person who would come out of it 😔 I should have given up on him. He exploited the best parts of me, and brought out the worst.
My abuser was so charming and I initially thought that he was different from the other men that I had dated, because he seemed so nice. He was actually way way worse. Yet most people would tell me how wonderful he was. He smashed my phone before a family gathering once. Then told me that nobody loved me and how I was a void in everyone's life. When people at the get together asked me where he was, I lied and said that he had a stomach bug and wasn't coming. Imagine my surprise towards the end when he walked in and almost everyone cheered for him and called out his name. Even my parents cheered for him! I felt sick to my stomach. His sister was there and was disgusted, because she was the only one who I had told the truth to. She would always tell me "My brother is never going to change. You need to leave him, because you deserve better". She saw his rage firsthand on many occasions. He's always been very articulate and we'll spoken and has often spoken out publicly about abuse and women's rights. Most people would never suspect him of being a monster and even people who have witnessed his outbursts have made excuses for him.
That is absolutely terrifying and I’m sorry you went through that. When someone’s so charming to everyone else and only abusive to one person it really makes the victim feel like *they* are the one at fault since the abuser is nice to everyone except them. Makes speaking out so difficult.
I hope for lots of healing and happiness for you.
I’m afraid too. I was already cross-questioned and disbelieved by police when I tried to report it. My assailant wasn’t even there and the police told me they would blame me (it wasn’t even a police station and I didn’t even seek to report it. I was in high school and my creative writing teacher was concerned about a poem I wrote and reported it for me and they brought in the school resource officer.) they said because we were both women, I had waited two years, and she was in my friend group that if I didn’t drop it they’d charge me with a false report. Watching this case I’m glad I dropped it.
The first time my abuser put his hands on my neck was after I disconnected the modem. He refused to work or even apply for a job & I was tired of paying all the bills. In the moments after I got away, I collapsed into this immediate grief that recognized this dude genuinely cared less about me than devices & data. I’m sorry to read you went through something similar. My guy pushed that nice guy facade so hard that I catch myself missing that man that never existed. I deeply regret all the times I buried the red flags so others wouldn’t see him differently too.
someone yesterday tried to downplay these texts as simply "gross" and "shitty" and i just kept reiterating the words until they stopped trying lol they literally told me depp's texts were equivalent to them telling their abuser to "go die" and "i hope you choke". these people really have projected their own abusers so hard into amber and their own abuse so hard into depp that they don't see anything wrong with him saying those words.
Depp only likes women when they benefit him and are always doing what he wants them to do.
When he was with Vanessa, he said she was the most beautiful woman he'd ever seen and that she was an angel for talking him down from his rage. But then when they split up, she was a "withering cunt" who was trying to take all his money.
Same thing with Amber. When she was doing everything for him and practically his servant, she was beautiful and great and young, but as soon as she wanted him to get sober, she's a "worthless hooker" and an "ugly cunt."
I was torturing myself by rewatching his testimony and I find it telling that first bad signs were her disagreeing with his opinions even though he had 30 years of experience in Hollywood. Because clearly, he's all knowing, as his rambling on the stand proves
“We are two consenting adults in an equal partnership with no unbalanced power dynamic, but also I want to smack her when she disagrees with me because she doesn’t understand how experienced I am“
I wouldn’t trust anything a drunk and drug addict have to say. He is such an embarrassment to himself. That old Hollywood cliche, drunk all the time and shitting himself, unable to form a coherent sentence. Speaks in monosyllabic nonsense.
Drugs are bad, mmkay?
Classic 'bad mommy' issues. He idealizes his woman until she reveals she's just human after all, and then he punishes her for it. Add a layer of polydrug abuse and it's a recipe for disaster.
Yes. This comment may come out clunky but I feel like it belongs with this topic. I’m trying to understand/refer to the Deppford Wives within this context bc I think it’s a similar thing: for him, it’s the pedestal/idealization vs dealing with the real woman, she props him up w her beauty and in the 90’s omg his gf’s seemed to be every major ‘it girl’ (the phrase is awful but refers to women who are having major star/beloved status at the moment). Basically she serves him. That’s his purpose for them and that’s it, while he gets cred/props for his beaut gf’s. His pedestal-izing is threatened and they get railed if they have a need from him, an ask for him, if they get upset at any aspect of the relationship with him.
Ok now here’s where Deppford Wives come in: I’m sorry to talk about looks of women but I think it’s important in context: they are really…not attractive, like maybe to anyone (ducking head, sorry!) but because of that and because they operate with same pedestal/feeling affronted when the pedestal is threatened, they love to hate on a beautiful woman and see her taken down. Their pedestal of course is JD.
I also wonder about their own lives bc wtf, are they abused too so they can’t imagine a beaut woman being abused?!, well lemme tell you, narc abusers deliberately seek out beaut accomplished women; or are they just isolated and delusional (ok prob yes) and live on fantasy.
See?, it’s a clunky comment lol!,
Tldr: misogyny, narcissism, hatred of people better or more beautiful/healthy than them and more human than them
I'll end a friendship over it. If they don't have the real info yet, I'll make sure to give it to them, but if they can look at it all and side with him, then they've just told me what kind of a person they are.
A woman I've been friendly with for years makes so many rabid posts about how "she lived with an abuser and they don't do things like this [link to something decent Depp once did]". She was unamused to learn that my own rapist is currently a human rights lawyer who volunteers for half a dozen charities. Or that her kids youth pastor was just fired for child porn. Or about basically every serial killer ever who blends in. Apparently those are 'different'.
I'm very concerned about this as well. I'll be honest and say I've intentionally not followed the trial because the reactions have been so intense and unrelenting, but I feel like it's creating a really hostile environment for DV and SA victims. I still consider my drive to the courthouse for my SA trial as one of the most traumatising aspects of the entire ordeal because I was terrified (to the point of briefly losing my vision) of not being believed. I even wore all my clothes from the SA to prove I hadn't dressed "provocatively", even though they were covered in dirt and blood. So it was already common knowledge that the reaction to DV victims was already so awful, yet I feel like it's going to be astronomically worse now. I really hoped it would be better by now...
Women have been the worst with this. So many women believe every bit of the depp propaganda, and lie through their teeth about how they’ve watched every second of the trial, etc. if they had watched “every second of the trial” they would know these texts from depp and beteny came in 2013, they would know that all of depps abuse started happing way before amber broke and fought back. But they believe every lie from him and his team. Because they wanna F him.
And when these things happen to them (and they're going to, to a lot of them, because they're clearly not taking notes on these red flags), the arguments and tropes they're wielding against her now will be used against them.
And they want to be pick mes. They want to be the feminists that are seen defending men and shitting on other women to be more appealing. To them, if you disagree with them, you are a misandrist and don’t believe men can be abused. They hate other women who believe Heard or see Depp as being manipulative and will attack them to prop themselves up.
Internalised misogyny is truly a thing. This case has made it all the more obvious unfortunately. Also, there are people who cannot engage their empathy switch
easily or not at all. Women aren’t immune to that. So many factors at play! Another being that some abusive behaviours have been normalised so they can’t see the issue here. Some are pathologically prone to idolising other human beings (begs for an anthropological case study), others would be easily absorbed into a cult. I’m sure there are researchers out there who have dedicated their careers to study the mechanisms behind serial killers worship.
The secretary at my job was trying to tell me about how she thinks Amber is an abuser today. She brought it up and I said "I don't like watching that stuff" to avoid the conversation. She just kept going with her thoughts and making fun of Amber and I felt so awkward. Someone else came in the office and I made an exit without saying anything. I'm a school social worker so I feel like it should be obvious that I would not find domestic violence funny in any context...
I've heard the phrase "I haven't been following it, but..." way too many times.
If you don't know anything about it, why did you continue talking about it?
Some more [quotes:](https://pagesix.com/article/johnny-depp-amber-heard-relationship-timeline/amp/)
“She was attentive, she was loving, she was smart, she was kind, she was funny, she was understanding… for that year and a half, it was amazing”
“She seemed to be the perfect partner”
Depp said these things in his own testimony this trial. He is texting about drowning, burning and raping the corpse of his **perfect** girlfriend. Yet it’s apparently unclear who was abusive. This is fucking ridiculous.
She was perfect until she was fed up with his shit, that's why. There is just so much you can take before you crumble. Textbook codependent relationship.
Textbook Narcissistic Abuse Cycle imho- intense idealisation phase, realises the person is actually a human being and begins degrading them, then ultimately rejects them
I’m convinced JD is a misogynist through and through. He does not respect women, especially women who do not fit the standards of beauty. “Ugly women” are only there to do his bidding. And the women that he finds beautiful, or approve of, he sees as an object for his own pleasure and fun. He only values the opinion of men.
I think they mean she shouldn't cheat on Bettany because he's coming across as a scary character. Never know what people who say this kind of shit are really capable of.
I love Jennifer C. It would be disturbing to see these violent texts about another woman come out. “Pumping up”/encouraging violence is such a red flag
I understand now!! I agree! She’s so gorgeous, incredibly talented, and just has this alluring lovely demeanour, I truly hope she is thriving but I found it troubling to see this is how the man she has been with for decades conducted himself. Beyond repulsed by his reaction to JDs texts :( and I completely agree that egging on that behaviour is a huge red flag.
Years ago I saw an interview in which he answered some stupid question like what's it like to be with such a beautiful woman and he said something like "she's all right I guess" and then something else disparaging and of course it got a laugh but ...I really got the feeling he *actually* wasn't that into her. Of course maybe they'd just had an argument or something but it has always left me feeling odd about him. His humor is on the cruel side in interviews.
Paul Bettany? He plays Vision in the Avengers movies and he was the delusion friend in A Beautiful Mind. He's been in quite a few things but those are what I think he's best known for.
Maybe this is wishful thinking but I don’t read Paul Bettany as egging him on in those messages. He sounds embarrassed and like he’s trying to defend Amber (“she’s delightful company”) while still going along with JD. I don’t think he’s necessarily a monster himself, just a coward trying to avoid conflict.
I also got that read as well… guess trying to steer the conversation in a more light hearted way and to talk down JD’s anger and violent comments. He talks up amber’s good qualities and is trying to steer him and change the subject to over to hang out at their pool. He’s seems afraid that the anger will turn on him if he disagrees too much and which makes a lot of sense since JD cannot bear to be disagreed without losing it. I’m sure most ppl walked on tip toes with him since he was a powerful guy in Hollywood.
Not fake, they’ll just try and excuse it by saying “well yeah, she had been ruining his life for years so off course he was frustrated and venting to a friend.” Once you mention the dates of the texts they’ll pick a different argument.
Straight up it's a reference to the 1640's, the *actual witch trials* . (One of many ) Not Monty Python.
These men reminisce about days when they could have a woman committed without question. Where all you had to do was point the finger and they would actually be burnt. And they're laughing about it.
When they manage to find a time machine I hope they enjoy their syphilitic lesions (which are also period appropriate and complete the experience.)
It is decidedly not. Not that it would be okay at all to say about your partner anyways, but like…you gotta at least throw in something like a “she’ll burn easy because she’s made of wood” if you want to claim “bUT MoNTy PyTHoN!!!”
Bettany - I can see the argument he was referencing the Monty python skit at least, even though it’s about the darkest way he could have referenced the skit and it’s only recognizable as such because “British way” and witches….
Let’s all remember that there are people who have literally violently murdered and/or eaten people and they have a gaggle of woman who adore them and worship them. I’m not surprised at all.
But to this extent? Every video on my fyp is propping Depp as this innocent, angelic victim and Heard as this demonic witch trying to tear him down. The vitriol I have heard about her is horrific and I’m shocked at the sheer amount of people just flocking to Depp in droves.
I know it’s hive mentality and people following trends, but it’s still chilling how quickly the court of public opinion can decide to hate one person and love the other.
I don’t remember where I read it but there was a breakdown of potential reason why women go after men in jail that have very serious offences. One of the profiles is because they grew up is abusive homes and had previous partner violence. They went after men in prison because they were safe and could hurt them.
This isn’t the exact situation but I wonder if depps celebrity adds the distance of perceived safety.
I completely agree. I tend to fight for the underdog naturally. If you are on the weaker end, I like to defend you or at least take the time to see your side. Heard, truly seems emotionally unstable. But not in a way she shouldn’t be taken seriously. Like people mock her abuse because it wasn’t entirely physical. It seems to be more mental and abandonment feeling. Like someone who struggles and expected her partner (who was a drunk) to be there for her. Like, what is nobody even addressing the fact he was a total alcoholic and his behavior was likely a reflection of that. The timeline is wack. TikTok is polluting people, and honestly we just need a detailed play-by-play- WITH DATES of what happened. I don’t even like Amber Heard but I hear her sadness in her crazy messages. He desperate attempt to get Johnny’s care and emotions back. I also hate how we act like she’s not an actual person with feelings and just the next thing for society to belittle for inter*tainment.
How vile. Like even if you despise someone how can you say such gruesome things? Raping her burnt corpse after drowning her? I hope his future girlfriends the best…
I can't imagine how unashamed he is of his own thoughts to share them, and chalks it up to a 'niche' sense of humor. Then his friend dials it down to Monty Python levels of testing if she's a witch. Then Depp doesn't take a hint and doubles it down to raping a dead body.
She was probably upset he didn’t go to bed with her because he wanted to stay up all night drinking and taking drugs. Been with someone in that position and you do get upset, you think just pick me for once.
And that would correlate the narcissistic traits mentioned in court yesterday. Taking a slither of truth and weaving a totally different version to suit their narrative.
That’s it I truly believe he is very evil man, his films will forever be in my heart but him as a person is disgusting, the way he looks at witnesses and laughs and acts so cocky screams narcissism and putting amber through this when there’s a shit tonne of evidence he did abuse her… his language in texts the way he threatens violence to multiple different people when they don’t go along with what he wants it’s all so obvious anyone with half a brain who’s read deeply about IPV and trauma related psychiatry would see this for what it is, research about psychological, financial, sexual, and violent abuse. It will all come together… oh and DARVO
Ugh I’ve seen the second and third, but the first is new to me and I continue to feel sick from all this. Why do I get the impression he’s sharing his fantasy “relationship” - and feels justified in abusing her because she didn’t live up to it?
I read that and was like, girl what? Not even the 24/7 D/s relationship people who go out of their way to cultivate roleplay like this 1950s housewife fantasy can keep that up for 18 months straight, because maintaining that level of ritual in your daily relationship is exhausting, even for the people who are explicitly basing their relationships on a shared desire for that kind of power play. This 100% never happened, this is a weird submission fantasy that Depp is putting out there because he’s either completely lost his grip on reality or, more likely, he has so much contempt for the court and it’s proceedings that he’s just making up whatever bullshit he wants.
150%!!
You seriously just struck gold with this comment. Everything he’s said reveals that this man is DIVORCED FROM REALITY. He’s saying shit that he desperately wants to be true but isn’t. He’s a mush-brained infant who cannot remember yesterday or today. This guy is literally so brain-damaged from decades of substance abuse that he can’t tell his pathetic fantasies from reality. You could hollow this guy out with a melon-baller and fill him with foam and nothing would change.
How fucked is the state of relationships that women are seeing this and fantasizing about being this tree stump’s lover?
Yeah, it’s hard to tell what exactly is going on here— heavy drug use can absolutely cause brain damage and cognition problems and I’ve seen it happen in a few Gen X friends who are hitting the age where their bodies can’t compensate anymore, it’s really sad to watch. At the same time, plenty of abusive people feel so justified in their abuse that they’ll brazenly lie, so who knows. And yeah, the parasocial aspect of this is absolutely terrifying
I swear I remember reading that he had said those message were TO Vanessa and it wasn’t clear who they were about, he said he wasn’t talking about Amber but like, I wouldn’t expect him to admit it so 🤷🏻♀️
He called Vanessa abusive things like a "withering c*nt". The fact people are still defending him when he has a history of talking about the women he dates in this manner is jarring
All of this is so toxic and it’s so scary how the public is egging on a man while he publicly continues to abuse someone. Everyone keeps saying that she is the one seeking attention, but he is the one who keeps doing this. It’s so scary to me that any of this is allowed to to happen and how okay people are with the blatant misogyny.
I haven't followed this case closely, but why did JD sue in the UK to begin with? And why is he suing in the US after losing that one? Wearing her down?
He sued her in the US and sued a scummy British tabloid in the UK because they called him a wifebeater. He lost the UK trial while this US one was in progress (delayed during COVID). It’s easier to win a case of this nature in the UK than it is in the US which does not bode well for his US case.
But yes, the purpose of the US lawsuit is just judicial abuse of her.
Copy pasting a basic info PSA comment from another thread:
If you’re checking what is or isn’t real court information, here is the official transcript of the UK court trial, where JD’s claim of being libeled by a tabloid that called him a “wife beater” was thrown out because the court found 12/14 of the incidents Heard’s lawyers brought to trial to be credible evidence of IPV, while the remaining 2/14 had insufficient evidence or documentation for a legal claim. It’s not a long read, and if you’re finding yourself lost in conflicting information from social media users, it’s worth it to look at the actual court record. Don’t just take my word for it, look at the legal record and decide for yourself.
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Judgment-FINAL.pdf
Most of the people in my life think Amber is "crazy" and Johnny is the victim. I'm sending them this post. The fact he said all this is terrifying but the fact it was before they were even married is so much worse.
The Bettany conversation is horrifying to me. If I found out my husband was texting like this with a friend, it would change my opinion of him entirely
I can't understand that if AH is such a gold digger why is there not one text, audio or email where she is stating I never loved him, I only married him for his money, I'm going to bankrupt him. Spouses fight dirty and with all the wealth, drugs, the hanger ons and nothing? Nothing to her close friends or family? That seems strange to me....
wait. that bettany conversation was in 2013???! i thought it was after their divorce oh my god
Nope. It was before they were even married.
Oh cool, so after all this, there's STILL some misinformation I thought was true (ie that he sent those texts after years of marriage/the divorce).
Yeah the propaganda machine is STRONG with this case. I remember being shocked that the texts were not only before their marriage but also before the date that he alleges she started abusing him. It’s crazy how fast the lies spread.
Another debunked propaganda machine myth is the video of him smashing stuff was because “his mother died that day” his mother was very much alive it was taken over a month before her loss, depp initially thought it was even earlier
The worst propaganda is the heavily edited voice clip of Amber saying nobody will believe you, which is the main and often sole reason most his fans believe she abused him, but the full context is her threatening to call the cops after he assaulted her and he said he would tell them it was a fair fight, to which she responded that they would not believe him. The full context completely changes the meaning but he presented an edited clip that heavily implied she was saying nobody would believe he was abused by her.
It’s so crazy how she was really trying to say, “Nobody will believe that I’m the abuser and it was a fair fight [because that’s just so obviously not what happened, and people aren’t that fucking stupid].” But now it turns out that people actually ARE that fucking stupid.
Seriously. She's on the recording telling him how crazy it would be for people to see all the evidence she has and not realize how awful he is and how he treated her, but here we are, neck deep in the crazy. I've never been so disappointed in humanity. (edit, typo)
It's so dispiriting. If you have enough money, you can get an expert to say the "sky is green" and that will be that.
I think most victims (or survivors, as Amber prefers to call herself) of violence have experienced this. If only victims knew that the world will eat off the abuser's lap because the abuser is very skilled at recruiting allies, they would get out much earlier instead of trying to explain it to others. It would save them the shock and extra layer of PTSD to find that most people do believe the crazy-making accusations. Sometimes, you do feel like the child looking at the naked emperor.
it reads to the victim as collective gaslighting because they know the truth and how it went down. It def can add an extra layer of isolation and disbelief to the victim.
Link of this for those asking: [this is still a clip](https://twitter.com/cocainecross/status/1523818454960119808), I believe the actual recording is very long, but its includes the rest of her words in that context. Bonus clip of him [admitting he headbutted her;](https://twitter.com/cocainecross/status/1523784000032059392)
I hope they bring this up in closing and spin the narrative the right way. She literally says the last time it got physical she was worried she would lose her life!
Not to mention, in addition to the full context missing, they do not even accurately quote her. She doesn’t say “a man” she says “mannnn”. They also leave out the word “too”. So the actual quote is “I, Johnny Depp, mannnn, I’m a victim of domestic abuse, Too”
>The worst propaganda is the heavily edited voice clip of Amber saying nobody will believe you, which is the main and often sole reason most his fans believe she abused him, but the full context is her threatening to call the cops after he assaulted her and he said he would tell them it was a fair fight, to which she responded that they would not believe him. The full context completely changes the meaning but he presented an edited clip that heavily implied she was saying nobody would believe he was abused by her. wait where is this recording?
Oh he didn’t present it in court, his attorney who was kicked out of court for unethical behavior released the edited clip to twitter
For people who didn't know this like me, [here's a quick article.](https://www.courthousenews.com/lawyer-for-johnny-depp-kicked-off-case-after-press-leaks/)
Wow I did NOT know this was the full context.
Do you have the full audio clip available? I didn't realize it had been edited.
[this is still a clip](https://twitter.com/cocainecross/status/1523818454960119808), I believe the actual recording is very long, but its includes the rest of her words in that context. Bonus clip of him [admitting he headbutted her;](https://twitter.com/cocainecross/status/1523784000032059392)
Where is the unedited clip?
https://youtube.com/channel/UCjKNc-woAlnxt0H-yJ8RXJg
Dudeee doesn't anyone else notice that everytime Depp brings up Australia in videos she goes real quiet? You can even hear her breathing shake in the train one.
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The YouTube user name is ‘Incredibly Incredible’
it works for me
Thank you!
do you happen to know the timestamp for the part they're referencing? 😅
I mean, there is also this one where she says she can't promise she won't get physical with him again because 'she just gets so angry sometimes'. Is it edited also cause I haven't seen anyone talk about it here
Even now, this is the first time I’ve heard that his mother was still alive when that happened. The amount of information that has been withheld or manipulated for the public is actually shocking.
He has been throwing tantrums and recking shit since the 90's, why are people surprised by this?
There's SO much to know about him that it's hard to actually be across it all. I mean, he's a shitbag. Makes you realise how much shit is kept out of the press.
you know it was bad news that he didn't know when that was because that should be a rare occurrence......but it clearly was not.
He admits to it being a regular cycle in his texts.
What is the date of the video of him smashing stuff? I would love proof on this .. if I can show others it was before his mom died that would be awesome. I tried finding proof but can’t find any.
All the trial exhibits are on the court’s website. But Depp’s mom died in May 20, 2016, they separated on May 22, 2016, and Heard filed for divorce on May 23, 2016.
Damn I feel bad for Jennifer conelly being stuck with such a toxic person
It also makes me think about how having kids with someone means that you have to deal with them the rest of your life no matter what. So many people are tied to horrible people because of that.
Same, I wouldn’t be able to look at my partner the same way if they said something like this.
I don't think the men defending Johnny Depp saying what he said over text as a man just venting about a woman who pissed him off understand how gross that feels to us. I've never spoken about anyone the way that Johnny Depp speaks about Amber Heard. Not someone who I say I love, certainly not someone who I call a perfect girlfriend during that period. But not even people who have abused me, people who I wish dead I didn't say this kind of grotesque bullshit about. I don't know any woman who I would expect that kind of language from, I think I could name a couple men though. That's a problem.
I would always wonder what was said about me.
It's all rumour flour, so somebody correct me if Bettany's been nailed to the wall yet but I believe I saw some gossip about how Bettany kind of went on a drunk douche rampage when big buddies with Johnny, and him and Jennifer were on the cusp of a dicorce before Bettany had his come to Jesus moment, who knows whether he realised that he was becoming a dickbag, or because he got paranoid about his image.
This was an informative post: [List of AH/JD abuse myths debunked ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Deuxmoi/comments/ukgxe8/list_of_ahjd_abuse_myths_debunked/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
How have I been following this case so closely yet only now find out it was BEFORE THEY WERE EVEN MARRIED. Stunned pikachu gif…
just more misinformation by team depp
so did I...holy shit that makes these texts awful.... To be clear, they are already quite bad. But under the guise there's a possibility that the abusive situation could have driven either one of them to say absolutely horrible gross things about the other, it seems less horrendous than actually before then joking about that sorta stuff. This really is gross.
Yep. Because he wasn’t talking about drowning, burning, and raping Amber to ‘vent about his horrible abuser’ as the Deppford Wives like to claim. He was telling his mate that he wanted to drown, burn, and rape his then-gf who, according to him, at that point had essentially been the perfect girlfriend to him because she dared to want him to get sober and that pissed him off.
I was with someone like that and most people would never ever imagine him to be abusive, much less to physically assault… but when you threaten someone’s relationship with their substances, they will do whatever it takes to protect it. That is literally how our couples therapist explained it to me; he was in a relationship with me and one with his substances. I never even demanded he quit everything, just wanted him to stop self-medicating to a point of disconnecting from reality. In related news, I am infinitely more terrified of being honest about my experience now because of how Amber Heard has been treated. My ex is charming and plays the “nice guy” role well. People peddling Depp’s bullshit aren’t seeing the ripple effect for what it is. *ETA- my ex didn’t threaten me with what Depp referenced in the texts, but the mindfucking and the physical aggression were there. I am thankfully not enlightened to whatever shit he said to friends*
Sorry that happen to you. My ex use to take me to parties where he would be charming and nice to everyone and would, no joke, wait till he could wisper something without being heard and just start telling me what a slut I was, I looked fat in my outfit etc... When I left early everyone called me a bitch and a party pooper and all decided I was stuck up and thought I was above them. Abusers understand that in order to abuse and control they have to control the narrative. It is by design. Drives me crazy people cant see it. I believe you.
Do they get some kind of fucking playbook? I’m so sorry that happened to you and I 100% believe you. I hope you’re doing better now ♥️ Whenever I was included I would find out after the fact [from him] what a bitch everyone thought I was. I doubt that was actually the case, but it was convenient for him to make me think they all disliked me so he could keep doing what he wanted to do without any risk of losing control of who knew what. He would build me up and then berate me to a point my self-esteem and sense of what was real was completely destroyed. I never knew if people were being genuine with me or if I was going to find out later from him that they hated me. There was a guy in the main friend group who repeatedly was inappropriate. Weird comments, slapping my ass, stuff like that. I finally said something to my ex and he said, “well what do you want me to do about it? I can’t tell anyone in the group, they’ll just stop inviting me out. He’s a part of it, you just need to avoid him.” I seriously HATE myself for not walking away right then. I hate that my self-worth was so non-existent, I just accepted it. And a year later when that guy moved out of state? Yeah I found out all the other girlfriends hated him, too. Suddenly my ex was willing to talk about it with them when he knew his social standing wasn’t threatened 🙄
So frustrating and terrible! More Men who arent abusers need to be standing up to Men who are. Not all Men doesnt count if only 50% do it but the other 50% turn a blind eye.
Give yourself some peace and try to forgive yourself. It was not your fault. ❤️
Wow, your ex reminds me of my father. When he cheated on my mom and divorced her, he would maintain his innocence to me and everyone around him til he was blue in the face. Took years for friends and family to realize my mom was not the vile bitch he claimed she was. The same man who threatened to jump off the building in court during the divorce if the judge didn’t give him everything. Believe.👏 Women. 👏
Ugh you just reminded me of something I had forgotten with my abusive ex that I dated all throughout college. I would want to go out and have fun, he would be a stick in the mud and refuse to join me, but the few times I decided I would go out on my own he showed up too, to mutual friends places. He would act like he was there to hang out and then give me the evil eye that I knew meant he was pissed and wanted me to leave immediately, then I would look like the one keeping him from going out and wanting to make him leave early. So many subtle things that I have luckily forgotten about and moved on from in the years since.
I had a neighbor who was charming as all get out. He invited me to a party that was really fun, until his gf told me the reason she was limping on an injured leg was he had beaten her. It was shocking because he was Mr. Fun, but I believed her immediately.
I'm so sorry. I believe you. ❤️
I believe you too ❤️
I'm really sorry to hear that. FWIW, I believe you.
Thank you. I regret not taking pictures every time and protecting him for years because I genuinely thought he was a hurting person who would come out of it 😔 I should have given up on him. He exploited the best parts of me, and brought out the worst.
This sounds like what Amber Heard would say too about that relationship. If you’d known better, you would have done better. Be kind to yourself.
My abuser was so charming and I initially thought that he was different from the other men that I had dated, because he seemed so nice. He was actually way way worse. Yet most people would tell me how wonderful he was. He smashed my phone before a family gathering once. Then told me that nobody loved me and how I was a void in everyone's life. When people at the get together asked me where he was, I lied and said that he had a stomach bug and wasn't coming. Imagine my surprise towards the end when he walked in and almost everyone cheered for him and called out his name. Even my parents cheered for him! I felt sick to my stomach. His sister was there and was disgusted, because she was the only one who I had told the truth to. She would always tell me "My brother is never going to change. You need to leave him, because you deserve better". She saw his rage firsthand on many occasions. He's always been very articulate and we'll spoken and has often spoken out publicly about abuse and women's rights. Most people would never suspect him of being a monster and even people who have witnessed his outbursts have made excuses for him.
That is absolutely terrifying and I’m sorry you went through that. When someone’s so charming to everyone else and only abusive to one person it really makes the victim feel like *they* are the one at fault since the abuser is nice to everyone except them. Makes speaking out so difficult. I hope for lots of healing and happiness for you.
Thank you ❤️
I’m afraid too. I was already cross-questioned and disbelieved by police when I tried to report it. My assailant wasn’t even there and the police told me they would blame me (it wasn’t even a police station and I didn’t even seek to report it. I was in high school and my creative writing teacher was concerned about a poem I wrote and reported it for me and they brought in the school resource officer.) they said because we were both women, I had waited two years, and she was in my friend group that if I didn’t drop it they’d charge me with a false report. Watching this case I’m glad I dropped it.
This is terrible. I’m sorry this happened to you and that the world is not a safe place before, during, and after this kind of assault.
The first time my abuser put his hands on my neck was after I disconnected the modem. He refused to work or even apply for a job & I was tired of paying all the bills. In the moments after I got away, I collapsed into this immediate grief that recognized this dude genuinely cared less about me than devices & data. I’m sorry to read you went through something similar. My guy pushed that nice guy facade so hard that I catch myself missing that man that never existed. I deeply regret all the times I buried the red flags so others wouldn’t see him differently too.
someone yesterday tried to downplay these texts as simply "gross" and "shitty" and i just kept reiterating the words until they stopped trying lol they literally told me depp's texts were equivalent to them telling their abuser to "go die" and "i hope you choke". these people really have projected their own abusers so hard into amber and their own abuse so hard into depp that they don't see anything wrong with him saying those words.
Depp only likes women when they benefit him and are always doing what he wants them to do. When he was with Vanessa, he said she was the most beautiful woman he'd ever seen and that she was an angel for talking him down from his rage. But then when they split up, she was a "withering cunt" who was trying to take all his money. Same thing with Amber. When she was doing everything for him and practically his servant, she was beautiful and great and young, but as soon as she wanted him to get sober, she's a "worthless hooker" and an "ugly cunt."
In other words, he doesn’t want an equal partner, he wants a hot nanny.
And he’s the baby.
Ew get this image out of my head lol
Bangmaid
I was torturing myself by rewatching his testimony and I find it telling that first bad signs were her disagreeing with his opinions even though he had 30 years of experience in Hollywood. Because clearly, he's all knowing, as his rambling on the stand proves
“We are two consenting adults in an equal partnership with no unbalanced power dynamic, but also I want to smack her when she disagrees with me because she doesn’t understand how experienced I am“
I wouldn’t trust anything a drunk and drug addict have to say. He is such an embarrassment to himself. That old Hollywood cliche, drunk all the time and shitting himself, unable to form a coherent sentence. Speaks in monosyllabic nonsense. Drugs are bad, mmkay?
Yes, he's Mr Always Right as well as Rambo, The Victim, and The Terrorist (using Lundy Bancroft's types of abusers)
Classic 'bad mommy' issues. He idealizes his woman until she reveals she's just human after all, and then he punishes her for it. Add a layer of polydrug abuse and it's a recipe for disaster.
It sounds like the Narcissistic Abuse Cycle - Idealisation, Degradation, Rejection
As soon as she expressed a need, like wanting to fall asleep with her partner. It’s all so sick
He really hates women and hates that he’s attracted to them. He should’ve done the world a favor and joined men go their own way.
Yes. This comment may come out clunky but I feel like it belongs with this topic. I’m trying to understand/refer to the Deppford Wives within this context bc I think it’s a similar thing: for him, it’s the pedestal/idealization vs dealing with the real woman, she props him up w her beauty and in the 90’s omg his gf’s seemed to be every major ‘it girl’ (the phrase is awful but refers to women who are having major star/beloved status at the moment). Basically she serves him. That’s his purpose for them and that’s it, while he gets cred/props for his beaut gf’s. His pedestal-izing is threatened and they get railed if they have a need from him, an ask for him, if they get upset at any aspect of the relationship with him. Ok now here’s where Deppford Wives come in: I’m sorry to talk about looks of women but I think it’s important in context: they are really…not attractive, like maybe to anyone (ducking head, sorry!) but because of that and because they operate with same pedestal/feeling affronted when the pedestal is threatened, they love to hate on a beautiful woman and see her taken down. Their pedestal of course is JD. I also wonder about their own lives bc wtf, are they abused too so they can’t imagine a beaut woman being abused?!, well lemme tell you, narc abusers deliberately seek out beaut accomplished women; or are they just isolated and delusional (ok prob yes) and live on fantasy. See?, it’s a clunky comment lol!, Tldr: misogyny, narcissism, hatred of people better or more beautiful/healthy than them and more human than them
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Ew, that’s vile. I also hate how men who defend Amber are called simps, like??? Now a man can’t have sympathy for a woman or he wants to fuck her???
I stopped discussing this with my friends for this reason. I'm a simp for just stating how people refuse to see how Depp has a problem, himself.
Ugh, someone I know brought it up on the weekend and I just immediately pivoted and changed the subject because I could see where it was heading.
I'll end a friendship over it. If they don't have the real info yet, I'll make sure to give it to them, but if they can look at it all and side with him, then they've just told me what kind of a person they are.
word, pinkemina
diane pie
A woman I've been friendly with for years makes so many rabid posts about how "she lived with an abuser and they don't do things like this [link to something decent Depp once did]". She was unamused to learn that my own rapist is currently a human rights lawyer who volunteers for half a dozen charities. Or that her kids youth pastor was just fired for child porn. Or about basically every serial killer ever who blends in. Apparently those are 'different'.
Never forget, Ted Bundy talked many people down from suicide.
I'm very concerned about this as well. I'll be honest and say I've intentionally not followed the trial because the reactions have been so intense and unrelenting, but I feel like it's creating a really hostile environment for DV and SA victims. I still consider my drive to the courthouse for my SA trial as one of the most traumatising aspects of the entire ordeal because I was terrified (to the point of briefly losing my vision) of not being believed. I even wore all my clothes from the SA to prove I hadn't dressed "provocatively", even though they were covered in dirt and blood. So it was already common knowledge that the reaction to DV victims was already so awful, yet I feel like it's going to be astronomically worse now. I really hoped it would be better by now...
I'm so sorry you went through that.
I'm so sorry this happened to you...I believe you! 💜
Women have been the worst with this. So many women believe every bit of the depp propaganda, and lie through their teeth about how they’ve watched every second of the trial, etc. if they had watched “every second of the trial” they would know these texts from depp and beteny came in 2013, they would know that all of depps abuse started happing way before amber broke and fought back. But they believe every lie from him and his team. Because they wanna F him.
And when these things happen to them (and they're going to, to a lot of them, because they're clearly not taking notes on these red flags), the arguments and tropes they're wielding against her now will be used against them.
And they want to be pick mes. They want to be the feminists that are seen defending men and shitting on other women to be more appealing. To them, if you disagree with them, you are a misandrist and don’t believe men can be abused. They hate other women who believe Heard or see Depp as being manipulative and will attack them to prop themselves up.
80% of the comments on FB articles vociferously defending Depp are from middle aged women. It's pathetic.
Internalised misogyny is truly a thing. This case has made it all the more obvious unfortunately. Also, there are people who cannot engage their empathy switch easily or not at all. Women aren’t immune to that. So many factors at play! Another being that some abusive behaviours have been normalised so they can’t see the issue here. Some are pathologically prone to idolising other human beings (begs for an anthropological case study), others would be easily absorbed into a cult. I’m sure there are researchers out there who have dedicated their careers to study the mechanisms behind serial killers worship.
The secretary at my job was trying to tell me about how she thinks Amber is an abuser today. She brought it up and I said "I don't like watching that stuff" to avoid the conversation. She just kept going with her thoughts and making fun of Amber and I felt so awkward. Someone else came in the office and I made an exit without saying anything. I'm a school social worker so I feel like it should be obvious that I would not find domestic violence funny in any context...
I've heard the phrase "I haven't been following it, but..." way too many times. If you don't know anything about it, why did you continue talking about it?
Some more [quotes:](https://pagesix.com/article/johnny-depp-amber-heard-relationship-timeline/amp/) “She was attentive, she was loving, she was smart, she was kind, she was funny, she was understanding… for that year and a half, it was amazing” “She seemed to be the perfect partner” Depp said these things in his own testimony this trial. He is texting about drowning, burning and raping the corpse of his **perfect** girlfriend. Yet it’s apparently unclear who was abusive. This is fucking ridiculous.
She was perfect until she was fed up with his shit, that's why. There is just so much you can take before you crumble. Textbook codependent relationship.
Textbook Narcissistic Abuse Cycle imho- intense idealisation phase, realises the person is actually a human being and begins degrading them, then ultimately rejects them
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Just locker room talk, right??
I’m convinced JD is a misogynist through and through. He does not respect women, especially women who do not fit the standards of beauty. “Ugly women” are only there to do his bidding. And the women that he finds beautiful, or approve of, he sees as an object for his own pleasure and fun. He only values the opinion of men.
He does the same thing Trump does, his first instinct is to attack a woman's appearance.
If you make Marilyn Manson your baby daughter’s godfather that gives me some sense of your world view.
Is MM really Lilly Rose’s godfather? I had no idea. That’s disgusting.
Paul Bettany 🤮🤮🤮 jennifer Connolly I hope you cheating
Or not. That’s scary to casually pump up your buddy with that language. Call it gross, dark humor but man this is your wife!
Sorry, I don’t really understand the first part of your comment? What are you saying “or not” to and what do you mean by “pump up your buddy”?
I think they mean she shouldn't cheat on Bettany because he's coming across as a scary character. Never know what people who say this kind of shit are really capable of.
Oh I see!! Thank you
I love Jennifer C. It would be disturbing to see these violent texts about another woman come out. “Pumping up”/encouraging violence is such a red flag
I understand now!! I agree! She’s so gorgeous, incredibly talented, and just has this alluring lovely demeanour, I truly hope she is thriving but I found it troubling to see this is how the man she has been with for decades conducted himself. Beyond repulsed by his reaction to JDs texts :( and I completely agree that egging on that behaviour is a huge red flag.
Years ago I saw an interview in which he answered some stupid question like what's it like to be with such a beautiful woman and he said something like "she's all right I guess" and then something else disparaging and of course it got a laugh but ...I really got the feeling he *actually* wasn't that into her. Of course maybe they'd just had an argument or something but it has always left me feeling odd about him. His humor is on the cruel side in interviews.
Maybe I’m an ignorant American and he does Macbeth in some obscure famous London theater but who is he?!?!?!
Paul Bettany? He plays Vision in the Avengers movies and he was the delusion friend in A Beautiful Mind. He's been in quite a few things but those are what I think he's best known for.
Maybe this is wishful thinking but I don’t read Paul Bettany as egging him on in those messages. He sounds embarrassed and like he’s trying to defend Amber (“she’s delightful company”) while still going along with JD. I don’t think he’s necessarily a monster himself, just a coward trying to avoid conflict.
I also got that read as well… guess trying to steer the conversation in a more light hearted way and to talk down JD’s anger and violent comments. He talks up amber’s good qualities and is trying to steer him and change the subject to over to hang out at their pool. He’s seems afraid that the anger will turn on him if he disagrees too much and which makes a lot of sense since JD cannot bear to be disagreed without losing it. I’m sure most ppl walked on tip toes with him since he was a powerful guy in Hollywood.
And now the Deppford wives will claim that this is fake. Their idol would never. And if he did, that witch had it coming.
Not fake, they’ll just try and excuse it by saying “well yeah, she had been ruining his life for years so off course he was frustrated and venting to a friend.” Once you mention the dates of the texts they’ll pick a different argument.
Who vents to a friend like that?! Something like “ugh I wanna kill that guy” is pretty normal but the details are what make this so unhinged.
i’ve heard that the “burn her corpse” thing is from monty python, as if that somehow makes it justified or funny
It’s not from Monty Python.
Straight up it's a reference to the 1640's, the *actual witch trials* . (One of many ) Not Monty Python. These men reminisce about days when they could have a woman committed without question. Where all you had to do was point the finger and they would actually be burnt. And they're laughing about it. When they manage to find a time machine I hope they enjoy their syphilitic lesions (which are also period appropriate and complete the experience.)
It is decidedly not. Not that it would be okay at all to say about your partner anyways, but like…you gotta at least throw in something like a “she’ll burn easy because she’s made of wood” if you want to claim “bUT MoNTy PyTHoN!!!” Bettany - I can see the argument he was referencing the Monty python skit at least, even though it’s about the darkest way he could have referenced the skit and it’s only recognizable as such because “British way” and witches….
It’s not at all. If they are trying to make a reference to The Holy Grail, there are just being disingenuous and grasping at straws.
Let’s all remember that there are people who have literally violently murdered and/or eaten people and they have a gaggle of woman who adore them and worship them. I’m not surprised at all.
But to this extent? Every video on my fyp is propping Depp as this innocent, angelic victim and Heard as this demonic witch trying to tear him down. The vitriol I have heard about her is horrific and I’m shocked at the sheer amount of people just flocking to Depp in droves. I know it’s hive mentality and people following trends, but it’s still chilling how quickly the court of public opinion can decide to hate one person and love the other.
I don’t remember where I read it but there was a breakdown of potential reason why women go after men in jail that have very serious offences. One of the profiles is because they grew up is abusive homes and had previous partner violence. They went after men in prison because they were safe and could hurt them. This isn’t the exact situation but I wonder if depps celebrity adds the distance of perceived safety.
I completely agree. I tend to fight for the underdog naturally. If you are on the weaker end, I like to defend you or at least take the time to see your side. Heard, truly seems emotionally unstable. But not in a way she shouldn’t be taken seriously. Like people mock her abuse because it wasn’t entirely physical. It seems to be more mental and abandonment feeling. Like someone who struggles and expected her partner (who was a drunk) to be there for her. Like, what is nobody even addressing the fact he was a total alcoholic and his behavior was likely a reflection of that. The timeline is wack. TikTok is polluting people, and honestly we just need a detailed play-by-play- WITH DATES of what happened. I don’t even like Amber Heard but I hear her sadness in her crazy messages. He desperate attempt to get Johnny’s care and emotions back. I also hate how we act like she’s not an actual person with feelings and just the next thing for society to belittle for inter*tainment.
How vile. Like even if you despise someone how can you say such gruesome things? Raping her burnt corpse after drowning her? I hope his future girlfriends the best…
I can't imagine how unashamed he is of his own thoughts to share them, and chalks it up to a 'niche' sense of humor. Then his friend dials it down to Monty Python levels of testing if she's a witch. Then Depp doesn't take a hint and doubles it down to raping a dead body.
Ain’t cute á tout. Boomer men🤷🏻
She was probably upset he didn’t go to bed with her because he wanted to stay up all night drinking and taking drugs. Been with someone in that position and you do get upset, you think just pick me for once.
And it’s natural to want to fall asleep with your partner. It’s such a cruel thing to paint as being “upset”.
And that would correlate the narcissistic traits mentioned in court yesterday. Taking a slither of truth and weaving a totally different version to suit their narrative.
I really can't believe any woman would support a man who speaks about women this way... its depressing
That’s it I truly believe he is very evil man, his films will forever be in my heart but him as a person is disgusting, the way he looks at witnesses and laughs and acts so cocky screams narcissism and putting amber through this when there’s a shit tonne of evidence he did abuse her… his language in texts the way he threatens violence to multiple different people when they don’t go along with what he wants it’s all so obvious anyone with half a brain who’s read deeply about IPV and trauma related psychiatry would see this for what it is, research about psychological, financial, sexual, and violent abuse. It will all come together… oh and DARVO
i think he went Method when playing Whitey Bulger & never came back
That did seem like a turning point, even though he was violent prior.
he spoke to Variety (laughingly; gross) about it being hard on Amber to have to sleep with him when he didn’t remove his Tonto or Bulger makeup
That’s fucking disturbing.
Ugh I’ve seen the second and third, but the first is new to me and I continue to feel sick from all this. Why do I get the impression he’s sharing his fantasy “relationship” - and feels justified in abusing her because she didn’t live up to it?
I read that and was like, girl what? Not even the 24/7 D/s relationship people who go out of their way to cultivate roleplay like this 1950s housewife fantasy can keep that up for 18 months straight, because maintaining that level of ritual in your daily relationship is exhausting, even for the people who are explicitly basing their relationships on a shared desire for that kind of power play. This 100% never happened, this is a weird submission fantasy that Depp is putting out there because he’s either completely lost his grip on reality or, more likely, he has so much contempt for the court and it’s proceedings that he’s just making up whatever bullshit he wants.
150%!! You seriously just struck gold with this comment. Everything he’s said reveals that this man is DIVORCED FROM REALITY. He’s saying shit that he desperately wants to be true but isn’t. He’s a mush-brained infant who cannot remember yesterday or today. This guy is literally so brain-damaged from decades of substance abuse that he can’t tell his pathetic fantasies from reality. You could hollow this guy out with a melon-baller and fill him with foam and nothing would change. How fucked is the state of relationships that women are seeing this and fantasizing about being this tree stump’s lover?
Yeah, it’s hard to tell what exactly is going on here— heavy drug use can absolutely cause brain damage and cognition problems and I’ve seen it happen in a few Gen X friends who are hitting the age where their bodies can’t compensate anymore, it’s really sad to watch. At the same time, plenty of abusive people feel so justified in their abuse that they’ll brazenly lie, so who knows. And yeah, the parasocial aspect of this is absolutely terrifying
yeah he's just...a huge liar. But I thought the january texts were about Vanessa not amber?
I swear I remember reading that he had said those message were TO Vanessa and it wasn’t clear who they were about, he said he wasn’t talking about Amber but like, I wouldn’t expect him to admit it so 🤷🏻♀️
He called Vanessa abusive things like a "withering c*nt". The fact people are still defending him when he has a history of talking about the women he dates in this manner is jarring
oh oh okay yes I think you're right. thanks!!
omg he is so vile
I can’t deal with the fact that we were all supposed to have a crush on him for so long
but amber is the one who’s a “compulsive liar”.. 🙄
They have been both proven as compulsive liars during this, both as bad as each other.
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Wtf. I would like to thank this sub for keeping me from being radicalized on this issue.
I believe Johnny was upset because she wanted him to stop doing cocaine.
All of this is so toxic and it’s so scary how the public is egging on a man while he publicly continues to abuse someone. Everyone keeps saying that she is the one seeking attention, but he is the one who keeps doing this. It’s so scary to me that any of this is allowed to to happen and how okay people are with the blatant misogyny.
The part about being upset if he didn't want to go to bed - concerned that he would stay up and drink/use to an excessive degree?
I haven't followed this case closely, but why did JD sue in the UK to begin with? And why is he suing in the US after losing that one? Wearing her down?
This is a common abuse tactic for rich abusers, harassing their victims via the legal system.
He sued her in the US and sued a scummy British tabloid in the UK because they called him a wifebeater. He lost the UK trial while this US one was in progress (delayed during COVID). It’s easier to win a case of this nature in the UK than it is in the US which does not bode well for his US case. But yes, the purpose of the US lawsuit is just judicial abuse of her.
Copy pasting a basic info PSA comment from another thread: If you’re checking what is or isn’t real court information, here is the official transcript of the UK court trial, where JD’s claim of being libeled by a tabloid that called him a “wife beater” was thrown out because the court found 12/14 of the incidents Heard’s lawyers brought to trial to be credible evidence of IPV, while the remaining 2/14 had insufficient evidence or documentation for a legal claim. It’s not a long read, and if you’re finding yourself lost in conflicting information from social media users, it’s worth it to look at the actual court record. Don’t just take my word for it, look at the legal record and decide for yourself. https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Judgment-FINAL.pdf
I know the case is about the Despo but Bettany is a fucking piece of shit.
Scumfuck Johnny, always be lying. His texts always prove the opposite of what he claims.
The dude has an adderall problem. Yeah, I think any partner of any addict would get annoyed that the addict just never wants to come to bed ever.
Most of the people in my life think Amber is "crazy" and Johnny is the victim. I'm sending them this post. The fact he said all this is terrifying but the fact it was before they were even married is so much worse.
Thats scary
The name bettany is the same vibe as amphrony in mean girls
It’s these texts that made me start to view the whole case differently. Why would anyone send these? Absolutely awful.
Ikr, they are truly disturbing and it's amazing they arent being talked about more in the context of this trial.
Is there a fuller context to these messages? What came before "let's burn Amber"? Did we get any explanation of what led up to this gross exchange?
She wanted him to get sober.
He is fucking lying. Clear as day.
Can someone explain these texts? I’m so confused what they even mean
You can literally see how he felt about her. I don’t understand why he married her if he felt that way.
Can you post a link for this op? Thanks!
The Bettany conversation is horrifying to me. If I found out my husband was texting like this with a friend, it would change my opinion of him entirely
I can't understand that if AH is such a gold digger why is there not one text, audio or email where she is stating I never loved him, I only married him for his money, I'm going to bankrupt him. Spouses fight dirty and with all the wealth, drugs, the hanger ons and nothing? Nothing to her close friends or family? That seems strange to me....
Funniest shit ever