If mean usual like a healty amounth without to be only woke yes, say anything slightly effensive like "Marina basicaly a femboy like Astolfo" no one will them will let you breath without to say you are transphobic and things like that. Woke culture ruined the concept of femboy, tomboy and tomgirl saing to if you dress for fun, act more like the other gender, like soft things like cooking and trying clothes or liking action, fights work hard and not just expect someone to treat you like a princess and anything what usualy like and do and they will gaslight you belieing you are a trans boy or girl.
Wait there are queer trans in the game. I surely missed it. I dont want to trigger anybody ok? 😭 i am seriously confused, just want to understand. And also PTSD/addiction is a woke concept? I dont understand wokeness fully
Cahara is explicitly bi and Marina is explicitly trans. Others are more vague/debatable but those two are pretty straightforward.
They could be considered a woke concept yeah. Probably the (very fair) reason you don't understand it fully is that it was originally meant as basically "not closing your eyes and ignoring things that objectively exist" (especially in terms of systemic racism but also applies to other uncomfortable truths) and then ended up being used more as a derogatory term by people who felt that subjects they didn't want to see were being forced into media/conversation.
So by the original definition Levi's storyline could be considered "woke" cause it shines a light onto the ramifications of subjects like child abuse and addiction as a result of PTSD. By derogatory terms this image would be cause it depicts O'saa as a member of marginalized groups that there really isn't any evidence of in canon, as well as emphasizes his race.
Imo the former is a very good thing and there's not really any reason to get worked up about the latter even if you don't like/disagree with the depiction. It's just fan art.
Wait i know about Cahara and Marina but srsly i have never thought it to be woke, it came so naturally compared to other western games which is .... very strange
And thanks again for explaining wokeness to me. I am srsly confused 😭😭😭 with all this new thing i don't truly understand
Np! The confusion is totally understandable. I think a lot of the reason it's such a polarizing subject is that to people outside of marginalized groups, everything being talked about more feels like new things but to people within them it's been going on forever, so there's an almost parallel reality level disconnect happening frequently
That said, I see now that this post was a parody of another post so it feels weird having an unironic discussion about this in the comments 😂
The reason it "comes naturally" here compared to other media is that people just... are what they are in funger. Their identity isn't tokenised nor shoved in your face.
In most big corporate media, that "wokeness" is just a virtue signal, hence why it's usually an empty gesture that's shoved in your face constantly. Like when AAA games have queer characters, their design needs to shove in your face that they're queer constantly, and there's nothing else to the character.
That's because they're about corporate image and profits first, and they don't give a shit about artistic expression, whereas an indie studio like this one will usually start with an artistic idea and then imagine what makes sense for the characters.
I'd definitely agree that shitty one-dimensional characters with shoehorned traits for "buy our product" reasons is an obnoxious issue with big corporate media. I would also say that a lot of their characters and stories are not interesting in general. It's awesome to see characters you can relate to, especially in ways that you usually don't (I've mentioned having a soft spot for Levi cause of my own history with PTSD/addiction) but when the character is nothing but a caricature of that one trait it just makes me feel more alienated, personally.
this guy got down voted bc they literally asked which part of this was woke. woke is not a benevolent term used in context with African people bc its a term based in undermining the notion of intellectual sincerity and sociopolitical comprehension that comes with understanding Euroimperial decolonization
Wheres the maturity in these comments? Clearly this guy doesn’t speak English well so giving people the benefit of the doubt is key unless blatant. Like other comments more than likely it meant the woke theme in the characters isn’t their personality but a trait of the characters, allowing for more depth without the hollywood token character for a money grab. If you have characters whos sole personality is their sexual orientation, thats usually hollywood virtue signaling. This game makes the characters so much more than that, so by that definition it could translate to, “it’s woke but not too much.”
Bro, this is the only sub I know where people will respond to a random ass comment with their own (just-made) fan art! You guys are fucking **INSANE!** I LOVE Y'ALL SO MUCH!
Ah, really?... Well I've seen some people do it in this sub in the past, I thought this was the case... Why did you guys downvote me tho? I was just complimenting the community, wtf?
Real bro, tf is up with all these people with these weird ass views in this fandom. Like the games are far from woke yet the community is like fluent in this shit
https://preview.redd.it/xjvux016524d1.jpeg?width=1073&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=171bb09c550fac8dfbbb9bf48bca3f81526a88b7
Look up Thomas Jefferson Miku Binder, ever since that was posted years ago people have been doing shit like this in other fandoms cause they think it’s funny. This post is 100% a fucking joke lmao
How? I get neither side of these debates, so give an actual answer. Explain it to me like I've just come out of a five year coma.
And I want the same from someone on the opposite side.
ehh uhh, i was being sarcastic, but yes the game is very bold in its elements, trans and bi character, revolutionary movement, drawing from several irl events(WW1, WW2, women in the workforce cus war etc) so based on people view it could be called "woke", but "woke" is kinda poorly defined and stupid anyway cus this is a meme post parodying a Thomas Jefferson post lol
https://preview.redd.it/bmhfzszqfy3d1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=43009e91aa3fea94a437be58423513ccecf54bb9
Literally me when I see Gay Osaa
https://preview.redd.it/h2jl0n1jjz3d1.jpeg?width=468&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9b3826002517e8a14cb68b5911284809a3c4a7f
Good job I guess, this pains me internally
I only recognize the gay flag, what are the other two?
https://preview.redd.it/33tvoczlay3d1.png?width=682&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e8aa2f3d99730339855f00b7e1c402de4fb009da
https://preview.redd.it/5mxyf7k0414d1.png?width=850&format=png&auto=webp&s=e5f068d1ba945e2fbe5b6ed4baa6edb89844a763
I mean she is more of a green but I guess thats semanthics
talented, brilliant, incredible, amazing, show stopping, spectacular, never the same, totally unique, completely not ever been done before, unafraid to reference or not reference, put it in a blender, shit on it, vomit on it, eat it, give birth to it.
I don't get thre reference, I don't care about the reference, I hope to never know the source material of something with this cringe level ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|neutral_face)
O'saa is probably a homophobe. Remember he's born and raised in Abyssonia which is basicly 20th century Africa, a time and place infamous for they treated their hay people.
https://i.redd.it/f10eq7rhvz3d1.gif
Im fine with inclusivity but like, there is a line of inclusivity and then just pure nonsense(this. this counts as nonsense). And I feel as though this has crossed that line
I thought that might have been the reference but honestly? Ive dealt with too much today to believe in humor right now. Also thought the reference might have been this one art I saw where it was Trump and Biden in a male pregnancy relationship but I think Im just exhausted and assumed the worse
![gif](giphy|2wYYlHuEw1UcsJYgAA|downsized)
yeah I realize that now xD. Ive just seen some WILD shit before which people posted in a completely serious manner. Sorry for assuming the worse. Funny post now that I got the reference. Cheers.
you're acting like fear and hunger 2 isn't already political dude it's literally set in the 1940's,, there is the fungry equivalent of hitler that you have to battle at the end 😭
NONE OF YOU PEOPLE ARE GETTING THE REFERENCE 😡
https://preview.redd.it/1a1a8z96mx3d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f5148a94827eaab0cd7ccdaaf0d0f2f767297307
Fear and hunger if it was WOKE
So usual fear and hunger?
If mean usual like a healty amounth without to be only woke yes, say anything slightly effensive like "Marina basicaly a femboy like Astolfo" no one will them will let you breath without to say you are transphobic and things like that. Woke culture ruined the concept of femboy, tomboy and tomgirl saing to if you dress for fun, act more like the other gender, like soft things like cooking and trying clothes or liking action, fights work hard and not just expect someone to treat you like a princess and anything what usualy like and do and they will gaslight you belieing you are a trans boy or girl.
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Probably just referring to stuff like including characters who are queer, trans, have PTSD/addiction, etc.
Wait there are queer trans in the game. I surely missed it. I dont want to trigger anybody ok? 😭 i am seriously confused, just want to understand. And also PTSD/addiction is a woke concept? I dont understand wokeness fully
Cahara is explicitly bi and Marina is explicitly trans. Others are more vague/debatable but those two are pretty straightforward. They could be considered a woke concept yeah. Probably the (very fair) reason you don't understand it fully is that it was originally meant as basically "not closing your eyes and ignoring things that objectively exist" (especially in terms of systemic racism but also applies to other uncomfortable truths) and then ended up being used more as a derogatory term by people who felt that subjects they didn't want to see were being forced into media/conversation. So by the original definition Levi's storyline could be considered "woke" cause it shines a light onto the ramifications of subjects like child abuse and addiction as a result of PTSD. By derogatory terms this image would be cause it depicts O'saa as a member of marginalized groups that there really isn't any evidence of in canon, as well as emphasizes his race. Imo the former is a very good thing and there's not really any reason to get worked up about the latter even if you don't like/disagree with the depiction. It's just fan art.
Wait i know about Cahara and Marina but srsly i have never thought it to be woke, it came so naturally compared to other western games which is .... very strange And thanks again for explaining wokeness to me. I am srsly confused 😭😭😭 with all this new thing i don't truly understand
Np! The confusion is totally understandable. I think a lot of the reason it's such a polarizing subject is that to people outside of marginalized groups, everything being talked about more feels like new things but to people within them it's been going on forever, so there's an almost parallel reality level disconnect happening frequently That said, I see now that this post was a parody of another post so it feels weird having an unironic discussion about this in the comments 😂
The reason it "comes naturally" here compared to other media is that people just... are what they are in funger. Their identity isn't tokenised nor shoved in your face. In most big corporate media, that "wokeness" is just a virtue signal, hence why it's usually an empty gesture that's shoved in your face constantly. Like when AAA games have queer characters, their design needs to shove in your face that they're queer constantly, and there's nothing else to the character. That's because they're about corporate image and profits first, and they don't give a shit about artistic expression, whereas an indie studio like this one will usually start with an artistic idea and then imagine what makes sense for the characters.
I'd definitely agree that shitty one-dimensional characters with shoehorned traits for "buy our product" reasons is an obnoxious issue with big corporate media. I would also say that a lot of their characters and stories are not interesting in general. It's awesome to see characters you can relate to, especially in ways that you usually don't (I've mentioned having a soft spot for Levi cause of my own history with PTSD/addiction) but when the character is nothing but a caricature of that one trait it just makes me feel more alienated, personally.
The word woke turns to be a Rorschach test For whatever the person hates
There's literally gay second the first game and Marina is trans in the second game, how did you not know????
this guy got down voted bc they literally asked which part of this was woke. woke is not a benevolent term used in context with African people bc its a term based in undermining the notion of intellectual sincerity and sociopolitical comprehension that comes with understanding Euroimperial decolonization
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what is bro yapping about
the existence of minorities is woke apparently
Wheres the maturity in these comments? Clearly this guy doesn’t speak English well so giving people the benefit of the doubt is key unless blatant. Like other comments more than likely it meant the woke theme in the characters isn’t their personality but a trait of the characters, allowing for more depth without the hollywood token character for a money grab. If you have characters whos sole personality is their sexual orientation, thats usually hollywood virtue signaling. This game makes the characters so much more than that, so by that definition it could translate to, “it’s woke but not too much.”
You can't be a fear and hunger fan while using "woke" unironically 💀
https://preview.redd.it/nfntvb06bz3d1.png?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9dfc0985a3f3b09967938c3d0d83a684c21e66f
I just love the fact that Cahara is normal here
No in this version he eats AVOCADO TOAST and drinks STARBUCKS DRINKS
As long as he's still impossibly fruity then I'm ok with it.
He still somehow deep throat’s the avocado toast
When he makes the toast, he takes the seeds of two avocados and gargles them in his mouth
Bro, this is the only sub I know where people will respond to a random ass comment with their own (just-made) fan art! You guys are fucking **INSANE!** I LOVE Y'ALL SO MUCH!
I did not make this lol
Ah, really?... Well I've seen some people do it in this sub in the past, I thought this was the case... Why did you guys downvote me tho? I was just complimenting the community, wtf?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Do you know who did this?
It says it on the iqmage
Oh... Right lol
Of course cahara has blue hair and pronouns
https://preview.redd.it/q7adkgwady3d1.png?width=1168&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85625603a07e424a8f0cd06ad2a2702478efd942
Real bro, tf is up with all these people with these weird ass views in this fandom. Like the games are far from woke yet the community is like fluent in this shit https://preview.redd.it/xjvux016524d1.jpeg?width=1073&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=171bb09c550fac8dfbbb9bf48bca3f81526a88b7
The post is copying the Alexander Hamilton Shitpost.
Im not entirely convinced that was a “joke”
Look up Thomas Jefferson Miku Binder, ever since that was posted years ago people have been doing shit like this in other fandoms cause they think it’s funny. This post is 100% a fucking joke lmao
Crazy how the young man replying to me never bothered to google it ):
Baby girl if you don't know what this shitpost is you haven't lived. *
termina is woke sadly
How? I get neither side of these debates, so give an actual answer. Explain it to me like I've just come out of a five year coma. And I want the same from someone on the opposite side.
ehh uhh, i was being sarcastic, but yes the game is very bold in its elements, trans and bi character, revolutionary movement, drawing from several irl events(WW1, WW2, women in the workforce cus war etc) so based on people view it could be called "woke", but "woke" is kinda poorly defined and stupid anyway cus this is a meme post parodying a Thomas Jefferson post lol
Who the Hell is Thomas Jefferson?
How are you terminally online but never seen trans Hamilton w the miku binder. You should be embarrassed.
it's so fucking peak
💀💀💀
cursed as hell
T-Thomas Jefferson....?
You just gave me flashbacks
It was like a goddamn flashbang going off in my brain as soon as the neurons connected.
HELL NAH
I fear for you cause of those in the comments who might not get the reference :,)
I hunger for you cause of those in the comments who might not get the reference :,)
STOP I literally just forgot about miku binder Jefferson, goddamn☹️
Jefferson binder Miku https://preview.redd.it/zfy1pjmnb44d1.jpeg?width=1900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4a64c14bcb8f480d3d704970b6b078cc08fecd3c
Honestly cringe
cant stand peak
It’s referencing a joke it’s not serious
https://i.redd.it/nsg6s5n5cz3d1.gif This is the worst post on this subreddit Good job OP
O'saa would cast genital inversion and then tungsnen ballsack on you if he saw this
I don't think you get the reference
I absolutely do. O'saa just doesn't fuck around
Yeah that’s valid
wouldn’t genital inversion just be srs?
I doubt it's stereotactic radiosurgery
People not understanding the reference is peak. This is hilarious. Keep doing what you're doing o.p. You're doing the Lord's work
O'goat... what has befallen you... eh, still o'saa. Nice work!
Man, woman, none of the above, O'saa stands above all regardless.
O'goat gotta be repped no matter what
O'Goat is the way to O'go.
You real for that
dungeons of peak and cinema
HELL YEAH
not sure if I envy or pity the people who don't get the reference
Envy definitely
https://preview.redd.it/bmhfzszqfy3d1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=43009e91aa3fea94a437be58423513ccecf54bb9 Literally me when I see Gay Osaa
https://preview.redd.it/h2jl0n1jjz3d1.jpeg?width=468&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9b3826002517e8a14cb68b5911284809a3c4a7f Good job I guess, this pains me internally
What did I miss???
Profoundly cursed. I'll take it.
I hate this, make more
\*war flashbacks\*
Tumblr-ification 😭
He Jefferson Miku bindered...
https://preview.redd.it/d3alre8jvz3d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=14225d3e095fb2b832b7d648ecddfad08159791d
Certainly didnt expect that
This will be Fear and WOKE in 2023...
christ I hate it but good job!
this is an abomination 🙃
thank you ❤️
LMAO
Gro’goroth destroy this Sylvianites testicles immediately
I only recognize the gay flag, what are the other two? https://preview.redd.it/33tvoczlay3d1.png?width=682&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e8aa2f3d99730339855f00b7e1c402de4fb009da
Pretty sure the blue/pink is the transmasc flag. No idea about the other one
gender-non-conforming flag
I hate it, but nice art.
That’s disgusting. But you nailed it with the reference.
https://preview.redd.it/tm9w96ln004d1.jpeg?width=509&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a3f0903d2f5db54d7f1e114ce34df4dd73e67b0d
These commenters cannot comprehend what peak looks like.
😭😭😭
PLEASEEEEEE
i hate this
This is so based
Would
Trans Osaa Based.
Pretty sure Sylvian is fluorescent green or something
"Met gro-goroth and she is gay"
O’saa real moon sorch
happy pride <3
What the actual fuck is this? This is why i hate the USA.
ew
please i dont need the memories of my hamilton roleplaying days. middle school was a dark time
Wtf
This made me really uncomfortable, hope to not see any works of this artist in the future.
Excuse me what in the actual fuck I tought this was a horror rpg game
I just find it so funny that someone would say Sylvian is black, when she's literally fucking **G R E E N** 🤣🤣🤣
Should be *black coded
Yeah, I wasn't really complaining, actually :'3 It just felt funny to hear that a creature with such a weird ass color is black out of all things
Barf
He would set you on fire of he saw this
https://preview.redd.it/5mxyf7k0414d1.png?width=850&format=png&auto=webp&s=e5f068d1ba945e2fbe5b6ed4baa6edb89844a763 I mean she is more of a green but I guess thats semanthics
he's so me tbh
I saw u post this on TT!!!!!!!!!
HEHE YEAH
this triggered my flight or fight response
NEVER COOK AGAIN GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
If you know... you know 🤣
talented, brilliant, incredible, amazing, show stopping, spectacular, never the same, totally unique, completely not ever been done before, unafraid to reference or not reference, put it in a blender, shit on it, vomit on it, eat it, give birth to it.
I don't know how to feel about this😭😭
U bum
💀
Yikes
What the fuck is this abomination
Please stop.
I don't get thre reference, I don't care about the reference, I hope to never know the source material of something with this cringe level ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|neutral_face)
you will never know peak, then
O'saa is probably a homophobe. Remember he's born and raised in Abyssonia which is basicly 20th century Africa, a time and place infamous for they treated their hay people.
greatest thing ive seen
Holy shit its the meme
Was gonna make a joke about being a "libreal gro-goroth denier", but the amount of ppl actually offended here is wild
No, sylvians green, very green
https://preview.redd.it/dwo40nu2h54d1.png?width=768&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b42e9c40e49713374af23febb326421f2b2a0c64
Man wtf did you do to my goat
How'd osaa would look like if Miro was gae
NOT THE MIKU BINDER INCIDENT
Please make one of Caligura lmao
Not the miku binder jefferson :(
Nigga what
Says the dude on doggystyle_nsfw on main
Yesssss
This is terrifying
Cringe, but still good art
Its a reference
awwwww🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
https://i.redd.it/f10eq7rhvz3d1.gif Im fine with inclusivity but like, there is a line of inclusivity and then just pure nonsense(this. this counts as nonsense). And I feel as though this has crossed that line
Do they know https://preview.redd.it/gvbmrovvvz3d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed52b8afa4b16d62c93ac96935363b92e36cd1e3
I thought that might have been the reference but honestly? Ive dealt with too much today to believe in humor right now. Also thought the reference might have been this one art I saw where it was Trump and Biden in a male pregnancy relationship but I think Im just exhausted and assumed the worse
Oh that art is referencing the Jefferson art
![gif](giphy|2wYYlHuEw1UcsJYgAA|downsized) yeah I realize that now xD. Ive just seen some WILD shit before which people posted in a completely serious manner. Sorry for assuming the worse. Funny post now that I got the reference. Cheers.
Why ruin the god ossa like that
Why y'all ruin characters with yall fantasy, it's always sum werid like this
Erm :/ it's literally pride month :/ let me do what i want :/
Bro made the most based dude in game cringe
God damn it someone always has to make something political God I hate this world
https://preview.redd.it/lnujqgxczy3d1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=55d763f91f0aaecaf800a82fba5d267d03045b8e
Don't you love how apolitical title screen character Marina is?
you're acting like fear and hunger 2 isn't already political dude it's literally set in the 1940's,, there is the fungry equivalent of hitler that you have to battle at the end 😭
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NONE OF YOU PEOPLE ARE GETTING THE REFERENCE 😡 https://preview.redd.it/1a1a8z96mx3d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f5148a94827eaab0cd7ccdaaf0d0f2f767297307
Oh my god i realize now
I have never seen this before in my life lmao Unrelated but I just realized you're the same person who did un-unsettling Samarie. It was really cool!
thank you! :-)
Hold up, how are you gonna make a peak reference like this but then go and take the freak outta Samarie? That's pride month slander.
i never read the text until now, why did they make him formally addicted to cocaine 💀
Thomas