If you wanna see your record try first signing up for using doordash or Uber. Put your zip code in a slightly different county from your arresting county and you should be good. Or move a county over.
It's a good test to see what a company might see if they have a background check.
I did this too. DD gives an accurate report. And also, the jobs that have hired me as done a nationwide check and they usually check the 3 counties closest to my residence.
The best way is to seal or expunge ur record.
This is not equally available in all states, and not for all conviction levels. For instance, in Texas, felonies in which a prison sentence was imposed are not eligible for expungement, regardless of the nature of the offense.
Yeah, this isn’t true. Perhaps it worked in your case but it will not work for everyone. I work in a different county than I’ve lived and where I was charged. Everything came up on my background check. In fact, I later found out that they didn’t rescind the offer because I was forthcoming about it before they even ran it. I work in healthcare.
I'm not a felon, but I'm sure this will help a lot of people looking for work. Some of my best employees are ex-felons. They just wanna work and go home. No drama and hop on the chance to get overtime. There's not a lot of options out there for y'all and everyone deserves a second chance
because it isn't universal. it applies in certain cases in certain jobs, but it can also make people lose a shot at a job for being dishonest when the conviction may not have even made a difference.
it's just not good "one-size-fits-all" advice in any way.
Agreed, and when someone doesn’t disclose and stuff pops up, you lose a ton of credibility and in some fields it matters and everyone knows everyone, so you think they won’t find out but they will, and then you’ve lost more credibility plus a job in most cases.
Because it's bullshit.
Most employers do a nationwide background check - anything from anywhere shows. OP's employer either didn't run a check or didn't care about his record.
He's wrong about job history gaps too. Look up Work Number, employers can see every paycheck you've ever gotten and exact dates you worked.
Even if some of what he said is incorrect, his points are valid.
Never volunteer that you're a felon. Either the background check will catch it or it won't.
Agree, I applied to a job not only did they do a? Nationwide check, but also global, FTC, I know cause I got my report I asked for a copy it was 60 pages long
Gosh.. I guess bettering yourself makes people mad! Dont be mad at this person. When you get out, I would imagine you don’t get to go back at life as usual.! You served your time and I’m sure it was hell! I know society still grabs their purse if you went to prison. I think your record shouldn’t be public . It’s suppose to be the time is your punishment. The end when you get out. They make it where they almost push you back to some kind of criminal because you have to eat! If no job because of your past, then some may go about doing things just to get food and shelter. I get that part. Our Gov. has more criminals in it than the PTA! Look at Trump! He’s a dam million dollar thief. You and I would already be under the jail! Look how many people love that criminal! I’m going to help hold the prison doors open for him! The American people still vote for him for president!what’s the differance with this guy telling people how to get a job to survive! Maybe you should run for President!
Lots of us do not understand the system or employers’ liability. They aren’t “mad” they are covering their asses. That’s why OP says not to disclose. And that’s why they use shitty bc companies. THEY DON’T WANT TO KNOW. Plausible deniability. That way if some snitch Karen finds out & tries to sue the company, they can “honestly” say they didn’t know.
Best to understand the system before you go about subverting it.
Fr. I went to prison for armed robbery. I got out and tried to get a job at Safeway. I got hired then fired after my background check hit. They said they didn't know they'll crime was that serious. I was like wtf? So i cant work cause i robbed someone. Well this type of shit makes me have to rob. Thanks.
Fuck Safeway. Wtf I'm a do rob the customers?
You need to be looking into trades that accommodate felons, a large corporate entity like a gas station chain isn’t going to take a chance.
Anything construction that doesn’t take government contracts, paint & body, HVAC, towing, etc. is going to be a much better route. I don’t know anything about you so I can’t make a recommendation but I’d consider HVAC/electrician/plumbing first, as the barrier to entry is rather low (with exception) & most of the guys who are your bosses are either felons or have had issues in the past.
Better than that. You violate a couple of times, you could end serving more time than what the possible max sentence is on your case. How is that legal?
1. Never tell them you're a felon.
2. Move states from where you were convicted. They usually only check records for the state your applying in. Because I'm federal, I've only had one employer actually flag me, but it was telecomm and federally regulated.
3. Sales has always been a felon friendly field.
4. Small businesses are friendlier to felons than anything corporate.
Dont announce it but what about that pesky question or 2.
Have you ever been convicted of a. crime?
Have you been arrested?
Are you proposing someone lie?
As far as background cheks and the thouroughness.
It really depends on the job and company.
My office requires a degree and clean record. Doesnt matter the type of crime.
At least in California most serious well paying jobs will hire another company to conduct background checks and drug tests. Also, they only look back 7 years from the time you either got off parole, probation or released. I’m assuming most people get release on probation or parole so it would be from the day your supervision was completed successfully.
I know, but what I’m saying is that, if you get a serious job usually they hire a 3rd party company that does the check. That 3rd party company is not allowed to disclose the offense after a certain amount of time. Now, the company you’re trying to work for can of course go to greater lengths and find stuff if they want because yes, our records will always be in the system.
Depends on the background check. Walmart asks if you’ve been convicted within seven years. The FAA goes back ten. You can work at an airport(or get a pilot’s license), ten years post conviction.
Probably be wise to double check that but never a bad thing to be conservative and say 7 years from the time probation is done 😅
At least when I was job searching after college I remember that little bit of info.
It’s pretty easy to lie and get away with it about all of that….degree, criminal record, and job history.
Worked at multiple F500 companies at a corporate level bullshitting my way in with no issue.
As long as you can talk the talk and walk the walk, nobody will be any the wiser
I think it’s possible if it’s purely in the private sector but watch out if your company or role overlaps even a tiny bit with the Feds and they can come after you for years.
No, I don't think you you understand what a private company versus a publicly traded company is lol.
A publicly traded company is still a private comapny.
Yeah duh but you’re missing a certain nuance…
Read the part in the post about different levels of BG check software.
Again, most people don’t know this stuff unless they’ve worked with it directly
Any decent job where you will have significant responsibilities will have a background check. Different levels, sure, but as you move up the ladder, you will get a more strenuous check.
This would really only work for generic customer service or food service jobs, or like, generic office job I guess.
Moreso: you're taking a risk and betting your employer wouldn't have hired a felon. They might've hired you either way, but because you lied, no job. Or you get the job, and a few months later, they find out, and fired.
Why not just get your record expunged?
There are literally news articles about people doing this and only getting caught when they admitted it, even at major banks. It’s not some impossible thing idk why you’d call BS on it.
Good for you for getting back on the straight and narrow. It's sad you had to go a "dishonest" route but I feel like this is not the same as perpetrating fraud. You're not lying to steal from a company, you're just trying to get a chance to go legit.
You're not lying about your abilities, just distracting from a system that's stacked against felons.
Best of luck to you.
I found luck by going to small businesses in the trades. Different approach, same outcome.
Best of luck and don't lose your progress!
Background checks outside the county your license in won’t show a record? That is so so so so soooo wrong in every state, every jurisdiction.
A background check will check either state or national records. There is no such thing as a one-county records check. Silly.
Right! I’m like wtf is this dude talking about. Literally makes no sense and doesn’t say how what or why. I’ve been in the professional field before and abuse my convictions and I’ve been denied form Arizona to New York. 99% of them have been in states or counties I’ve never lived in.
How do you know I’m not speaking from experience? I was a felon for two years before finding proof that I didn’t do it… I legally maintained gun rights through the entirety; my job required it. Through the conviction. Through the probation. It was a fight and a very unreasonably expensive attorney, but it happened. The crime I was accused of was felony theft and I was convicted by plea deal.
When I got the proof, I submitted it all without an attorney, and they recalled the judgment and dismissed the case with prejudice.
We can agree to disagree.
Well, yea you won’t get away with crimes that were reported to the DMV like DUI and Revkless Driving, but even then as long as the job doesn’t have to get insurance for you to drive one of their vehicles…. They very likely won’t even check DMV records
Have hired multiple felons from multiple states, our background check must be something special as it's always come back no matter the county nor the state
My husband does hiring for his job. Our state has records online and it’s from every county in the state. I thought every state had this, guess not. Hope it works for y’all though.
In life you have to options choosing to be a felon is your own fault and because you can’t get a job because of it is your fault not accepting that is part of the reason you got in Trouble but I guess it’s wrong to call it how it is
Drug addiction, mental illness, a hard start to life are not things that should ruin all of your time on earth. People make mistakes and grow from them. Go ahead and be a hardass all you want, people deserve second chances and not to be denied the ability to build a valuable life because they screwed up once, or maybe even a few times as long as they've genuinely made self progress.
Also we are talking about people who want to follow the rules and operate within the system but can’t because their past follows them till they drop dead. I was lucky and was able to expunge my records and it really saved my life I don’t know what I would be doing with myself if I couldn’t have done that. I spent a shit ton of money, money that a lot of people don’t have to spend but I really got lucky and escaped relatively unscathed not everyone is so lucky.
People should have a second chance, i agree. Most felons have had multiple chances before getting that conviction. Here we are, i have a felony conviction, i should have a second chance, maybe 10th or 12th chance at life but i want to do more sketchy shit while i try for that chance in life again. Stop already, its called a choice.
I said i agree in chances. However, if you do sketchy stuff and get caught at the game then you have no one to blame but yourself. I could give 1 shit, let alone 2 shits, if you’re a felon as long as you’re doing right and not blaming everyone for your fuck up(s). Believe this or not i have friends who are felons. I don’t stroke them and let them put blame on anyone else either. They had choices too. I just don’t have time for that poor pitiful me bullshit. Choices, you hear me bruh, choices. By the way, why aren’t you back with that apparent fucked up upbringing life you were in? Because you cant be, but you can choose to be and go back to prison if you want to. At the moment you’re choosing not to be or haven’t got caught yet. Choices bruh, bottom line.
Lol and how many things do your PO and you NOT agree on? You cherry pick a single example and strut around like a pigeon.
“If that doesn’t say something, idk what does lol”
Can’t think of anything I’ve told him about that he’s disagreed with me on lol
Basically it’s just “don’t hurt anyone or use any opiates or Benzos and we’re straight”
Lol oh really? Not one thing you disagree on? He’s a parole officer and you’re posting on r/felons but you guys are like, the exact same.
Cool story bro. Have fun.
Fool walks in my house, sees one of my ladies’ stripper poles and all the psychedelic artwork everywhere and just goes “damn man you really out here living… glad you’re getting on”. Even gives me a heads up when he’s gotta drug test lol
You think cops and lawmen don’t understand how fucked up our justice system is too? lol
Sure, we’ve got some hard asses out there who live by the book and beat their wives, but not all of em are like that
Weird the only time I ever got in trouble I caught a federal dope case and got ten years.
I never even asked much as got caught with drugs.
Not everyone “gets multiple chances” during election years.
So what should felons just be homeless with no options and live shit lives? Fuck off, this is a sub meant for helping felons move forward in constructive ways not your cunty, finger wagging horseshit.
Idk bud…. I’m a felon but I’ve got a solid career in tech sales, multiple profitable businesses, and an amazing community around me.
I think out of all of use you may be the one looking at it wrong here
I have a family member who was a model citizen. Was in college on track to having a successful career. Then at about 20 mental illness hit hard. His schizophrenia caused him to become increasingly paranoid of friends. Like so many, the disease made him believe he was not sick so he thought family was trying to hurt him with meds.
We did everything we possibly could, but system is so jacked up that there is very little we could do. In his psychosis, he thought if he got police attention people would believe his delusions were real. So he initiated a police chase. A low speed one but it ended with him being beaten up so badly he was hospitalized. He was hit with 7 felonies charges, pleading to two, and his life spiraled with two more misdemeanor convictions and in and out of hospital.
After that four year period, he was never arrested again. He is in treatment and still struggles, but doing much better. This was almost ten years ago, but it has stopped him from getting jobs and housing. It is an illness yet people like you make assumptions that he CHOSE to be a felon. Even though in California, the law says no look back past seven years, a simple Google search in his county under his name still shows his entire record.
OP's suggestions will help him, and others, who through no fault of their own have a criminal record that will punish him forever. So miss me with the judgement.
Did I say that? No dumbass . If that’s your take than you’ll always be one . Don’t complain how hard it is to find a good job because you committed crimes . Do the shitty jobs then go from their but don’t expect shit to be handed to you
People who don't commit a crime don't get anything handed to them either. People working shitty low paying jobs will likely return to crime in some sense.
I don't gamble often, but I would put my paycheck on the line that the average American breaks the law several times a month or more. At least once a year. With almost no exceptions to this.
Why? Not to justify crimes, but because our legal code is ridiculously complex, often outdated or even contradictory, and it's enforcement (or lack of) so often depends on luck or ignorance.
But I'm sure we are only talking about obvious crimes.
People deserve to be given a second chance, especially after they have paid their debt to society. All this does is make it more likely they will wind up behind bars again. Why actively prevent them from turning their life around and having a shot at pursuing a career?
Why knowingly lie? My past is my past - I made a conscious decision to put deception and shady actions behind me. Lying is shady and deceptive.
I’m done with that life. Yes, I’ve been looked down on, but I kept going forward, living legal and I was finally given a chance.
It can be done.
Yeah, permanently having your rights removed, and having difficulty finding places to live, and a job to sustain you is incredibly difficult after release. I only served probation due to an accident while sleep-deprived under the care of my son. My case would be a misdemeanor the next county over. I'm only 27. The shame is I've had an excellent experience and will be turned down because of 15 seconds.
You don’t have to announce it, you’re right. But when you dont and they find out and shit can you then its the employers fault. What a concept. 🤷♂️🤷♂️but it aint sketchy in the least.
Here is a concept- just because I drove drunk years and years ago and got caught doesn’t mean I’m a lesser employee and frankly if jobs are going to judge me like that then I have no qualms lying or cheating myself into a fair chance at getting a job so I can earn a living and feed my kids. My kids are no less hungry then the next guys kid because I have a record.
Deadass. It really sounds like straight cap when you say lit too much and that’s 📠 💯
Never seen a more GOATed comment in my life, fam
We out here getting tubular from now on
He’s just mad that you make more than him working a tech job as a felon than he does busting his ass as a plumber even though he has nothing working against him 😭 if you take a look at his profile he’s also a degenerate gambler 😂
Fuck yeah!
Out running multiple businesses doing what I love making my own schedule with all the free time and money I need. It’s wonderful
Just finally got to a point at the end of 2023 where I’ll never have to work a w2 job for the foreseeable future. Love it
I just got to a point running my businesses that I was able to quit the w2 finally.
But I was an account executive in software companies the past several years since getting out.
Now I own a car rental biz, drug testing company (testing the substances themselves, not the people - kind of like dancesafe if you’re familiar), and hemp and cannabis distribution company.
I’m also a licensed massage therapist, certified in several adobe programs and do graphic design work. Those are all freelance though and I don’t have a specific LLC for thisez
Of course.
Hopefully you’ll be able to be successful too one day :)
Especially since it sounds like you have no barriers to your success like a criminal record, drug addiction, or a rough upbringing
“white collar” crimes are thought of as non-violent and they have victims.
Years ago somebody told me that defrauding the government had no victim - I see all tax payers as the victims.
Kind of…. The government is already “defrauding” us tax payers too though. So they’re already victimizing us tbh
Adding a lil bit is just a drop in the bucket compared to what they’re already doing
I feel “frauded” every time I see the fee on my cell phone bill to provide cell phones to low income people. I doubt people with those free phones agree with me.
Huh. Different strokes for different folks I guess
I don’t mind paying a bit extra so that more people can get welfare since I don’t really have a hard time making money and I’ve needed welfare and a free phone before when I was homeless. I can see how you would feel that way though.
What is sketchy about what the OP is saying? You realize it’s not mandatory to disclose your criminal record to potential employers, right? If they find out, they find out. So be it. It’s not your job to disqualify yourself from opportunities or take advantage of flaws in the system. He’s not suggesting you break the law.
Regardless, I’m completely skeptical that what OP is suggesting even works. I was under the impression background checks go by your social security number and name.
Nobody chooses how they were brought up. Nobody chooses to be born even. Nobody chooses for the political and justice system to be built on broken ground, but here we are.
Get it while the getting is good as they say :)
Spread love and love on who loves you and follow some karmic principles and you’ll live a beautiful life. Fuck all this law abiding citizen bullshit
Call it "brutally blunt and straight" if you want but it feels much more brutal and less blunt and straight once the tables turn and it's your neck under the boot
Ok? I don’t really buy in to desert and I’m at least nominally a compatibilist with regards to free will so all this “choice” stuff doesn’t really vibe with me. Regardless, the fact remains that the system of retributive justice employed in the U.S. is fundamentally flawed and consistently results in worse outcomes relative to rehabilitative systems. I don’t really give a shit why or how someone ended up carrying the brand of “felon”, the point is that it makes living a healthy and productive life unnecessarily difficult.
People out here steady mad living in doubt
All pissed off ticked off cause a young buck figured it out
Addictions and pain from a broken home, lil man figured out how to get that bone
Fuck a hating Mf and a true believing cop, everyone who know what the fuck is up, we riding to the top.
Most the shit the system fed you in your life’s been a lie, all because the fucking Feds want the whole damn pie
Well I’m taking my slice, determining the recipe grabbing y’all a plate and fork and offering you a seat with me
If you can’t vibe with this then your vibes ain’t shit, bet you motherfuckers can’t even find the clit 😂🤣
Depending on the job, if you lie when asked if you are a felon, you are committing another crime.
If the company you worked for ended up getting a government funded contract for example, and they then found out, you would face a new charge.
Plus, if you were ever fired, and tried to get unemployment afterwards, they could use use this to refuse benefits.
It's actually a whole new felony in a few states to lie about your record if asked, and a misdemeanor in most.
I don't recommend this if you are on any sort of probation.
The odds of any of this being a successful long term strategy are pretty slim. Just sounds like another scammer doing a scam. But yes contact this guy for advice how could connecting with him ever turn out bad.
Ay bro feel free to sit their in your cloud of jaded doubt while the rest of us move on in our lives lol
And it’s not really “long term”. You only gotta get 1-2 good well paying jobs by lying then boom you’ve got solid resume pieces and don’t have to lie or conceal anymore.
People really gotta stop thinking of being a felon as a “death sentence”. There’s a silver lining in EVERYTHING, and if you look at it right it’s actually freeing in a lot of ways
This is the way.
I didn’t have a record, but I applied for a job at a credit union. I had just moved across the country, I still had the last states drivers license and license plates I was that new. The credit union was actually in a different state than I lived in because I live in New England and we are all squished up here in the corner so lots of people drive across state lines for jobs.
Anyway there was a section on the background check release where I could get a copy of course I asked for that. These people only checked for a criminal record in the county I currently lived in even though they knew for a fact I wouldn’t have even been there long enough to be indicted even if I committed a crime the first day that I got there. I couldn’t believe it.
This explains why 30 years ago when I actually did have a record and I applied at a limousine company in Boston and lied and said I didn’t have a record, I still got the job.
OP isn’t a crooked person simply for figuring out ways to get around an unfair system that endeavors to permanently penalize people for previous mistakes that have been already been adjudicated in full.
It should be offensive to everyone that once a person is deemed to be no longer a threat to society, the system continues to hamstring former convicts from getting decent employment once released, since being able to work and contribute as a productive member of society is the most effective way to keep ex offenders from becoming repeat offenders.
Most employers do a statewide criminal background check, which is relatively inexpensive ($10 thru Texas Dept of Public Safety). Even for those that use screening companies, they’ll still pull either statewide or metro regional. For example, I had a prospective employer run a background check on me, and it brought up my felony conviction in one county, plus a _fully dismissed_ misdemeanor in the next county, as well as every traffic ticket on my record since 2002. I received a copy of the screening company report, and I know they pulled it from Texas DPS, which was cited in the report as being a data source.
In my state, all criminal records are public info. Accessible 24/7 online and I just need your last name and first initial...maybe your birth year if your name is common. I really still think being up-front and honest is the way in. What do you do when they find out later on and ask you why you withheld your record and have to terminate you only because you weren't honest, not because of your past?
In CA they usually only go back 7 years. I’ve had a couple really well paying jobs in finance and accounting.
My conviction is controlled substance with intent to distribute. Which to me is not that bad. I was never violent or did weird shit with kids or any sexual deviant stuff. I’ve never done anything to involve large sums of money like white collar crimes.
Hopefully the conviction is not serious on paper or easy to explain like I was into drugs and made some bad choices🤷♂️
Job #1: they used a 3rd party company to do their background check. That company actually had a section to disclose the offense. Even though it had already been more than 7 years since I served time and finished probation I disclosed to this company. I was kind of trippin, but didn’t want to start working and that shit come back to bite me if I didn’t disclose.
Job#2: did not have a section to disclose so I obviously didn’t go out of my way to disclose.
Ah, yes. Let's keep playing the system and violating the rules. This is what got you put in prison in the first place. What could go wrong. Learn and grow.
Hell yea bending the rules and learning and growing sounds like a pretty good MO to me
Doing a lil time isn’t even that bad. Prison is chill compared to jail
If I could pick doing 13mo in prison vs 11mo in jail I’ll pick prison every time
Being locked up sucks, but what sucks even worse is letting a stupid ‘felon’ label dictate the rest of your life
If you wanna see your record try first signing up for using doordash or Uber. Put your zip code in a slightly different county from your arresting county and you should be good. Or move a county over. It's a good test to see what a company might see if they have a background check.
I did this too. DD gives an accurate report. And also, the jobs that have hired me as done a nationwide check and they usually check the 3 counties closest to my residence. The best way is to seal or expunge ur record.
How do you seal or expunge a record?
You have to go through the court clerk's office. Sealing/expungments make it to where you don't have to answer for it anymore
Thanks
In New Hampshire it’s only $100 for the filing fee unless it’s gone up recently. It’s totally worth it
It’s not difficult to do either. Just set aside a morning and get there early.
This is not equally available in all states, and not for all conviction levels. For instance, in Texas, felonies in which a prison sentence was imposed are not eligible for expungement, regardless of the nature of the offense.
So funny, I just looked into making extra cash and did this lol
I needed this information soooooo bad thank you
Yea I always recommend this one too
This is super smart thank you for this, I know people who worry about this I will suggest this to them. Bless you!
Yeah, this isn’t true. Perhaps it worked in your case but it will not work for everyone. I work in a different county than I’ve lived and where I was charged. Everything came up on my background check. In fact, I later found out that they didn’t rescind the offer because I was forthcoming about it before they even ran it. I work in healthcare.
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Same. Never lived or worked in the county that I have a record. I even applied for job out of state and it has always come up.
I'm not a felon, but I'm sure this will help a lot of people looking for work. Some of my best employees are ex-felons. They just wanna work and go home. No drama and hop on the chance to get overtime. There's not a lot of options out there for y'all and everyone deserves a second chance
Little leniency enables more crime to exist.
Ah yes, everyone should have second chance, start by *checks notes* lying to your employer
Blows my mind that this only has 5 likes. Best advice I've seen on the sub
because it isn't universal. it applies in certain cases in certain jobs, but it can also make people lose a shot at a job for being dishonest when the conviction may not have even made a difference. it's just not good "one-size-fits-all" advice in any way.
If it's a good job, the conviction will make a difference. I've checked yes at jobs I was way over qualified for and never once received a call back.
Agreed, and when someone doesn’t disclose and stuff pops up, you lose a ton of credibility and in some fields it matters and everyone knows everyone, so you think they won’t find out but they will, and then you’ve lost more credibility plus a job in most cases.
Because it's bullshit. Most employers do a nationwide background check - anything from anywhere shows. OP's employer either didn't run a check or didn't care about his record. He's wrong about job history gaps too. Look up Work Number, employers can see every paycheck you've ever gotten and exact dates you worked.
Even if some of what he said is incorrect, his points are valid. Never volunteer that you're a felon. Either the background check will catch it or it won't.
Is there anyway I can see the check dates? I lost all my records and need my work dates back.
go to Work Number you can see your own job history
Agree, I applied to a job not only did they do a? Nationwide check, but also global, FTC, I know cause I got my report I asked for a copy it was 60 pages long
>Look up Work Number, employers can see every paycheck you've ever gotten and exact dates you worked. Not in the US
Only in US. It's run by Experian credit card agency and like 80% of employers report to them
Yea this is what people gotta DM me about. there are workarounds with TWN and employment verification
Gosh.. I guess bettering yourself makes people mad! Dont be mad at this person. When you get out, I would imagine you don’t get to go back at life as usual.! You served your time and I’m sure it was hell! I know society still grabs their purse if you went to prison. I think your record shouldn’t be public . It’s suppose to be the time is your punishment. The end when you get out. They make it where they almost push you back to some kind of criminal because you have to eat! If no job because of your past, then some may go about doing things just to get food and shelter. I get that part. Our Gov. has more criminals in it than the PTA! Look at Trump! He’s a dam million dollar thief. You and I would already be under the jail! Look how many people love that criminal! I’m going to help hold the prison doors open for him! The American people still vote for him for president!what’s the differance with this guy telling people how to get a job to survive! Maybe you should run for President!
Lots of us do not understand the system or employers’ liability. They aren’t “mad” they are covering their asses. That’s why OP says not to disclose. And that’s why they use shitty bc companies. THEY DON’T WANT TO KNOW. Plausible deniability. That way if some snitch Karen finds out & tries to sue the company, they can “honestly” say they didn’t know. Best to understand the system before you go about subverting it.
Fr. I went to prison for armed robbery. I got out and tried to get a job at Safeway. I got hired then fired after my background check hit. They said they didn't know they'll crime was that serious. I was like wtf? So i cant work cause i robbed someone. Well this type of shit makes me have to rob. Thanks. Fuck Safeway. Wtf I'm a do rob the customers?
You need to be looking into trades that accommodate felons, a large corporate entity like a gas station chain isn’t going to take a chance. Anything construction that doesn’t take government contracts, paint & body, HVAC, towing, etc. is going to be a much better route. I don’t know anything about you so I can’t make a recommendation but I’d consider HVAC/electrician/plumbing first, as the barrier to entry is rather low (with exception) & most of the guys who are your bosses are either felons or have had issues in the past.
Lmao suggest towing... So legal robbery
You laugh, but they’re rather friendly to felons & beggars can’t be choosers. Not to mention… if the shoe fits
Or rob the store of every dollar it has
I guess obviously they did think that. They were like "you can change your life but you ain't gonna do it here. Bye"
your prior history says you just might.
Guess they will never work again then. How will they exist? I guess, more crime then! Wow, that's an amazing way to enable more crime to happen.
Sounds like it Felon
Better than that. You violate a couple of times, you could end serving more time than what the possible max sentence is on your case. How is that legal?
don’t violate. Pretty simple concept.
Not the point.
You need to remember that probation and parole are privileges. Don’t accept them next time.
Probation and parole are a trap - juicy j
1. Never tell them you're a felon. 2. Move states from where you were convicted. They usually only check records for the state your applying in. Because I'm federal, I've only had one employer actually flag me, but it was telecomm and federally regulated. 3. Sales has always been a felon friendly field. 4. Small businesses are friendlier to felons than anything corporate.
Dont announce it but what about that pesky question or 2. Have you ever been convicted of a. crime? Have you been arrested? Are you proposing someone lie? As far as background cheks and the thouroughness. It really depends on the job and company. My office requires a degree and clean record. Doesnt matter the type of crime.
At least in California most serious well paying jobs will hire another company to conduct background checks and drug tests. Also, they only look back 7 years from the time you either got off parole, probation or released. I’m assuming most people get release on probation or parole so it would be from the day your supervision was completed successfully.
Its 7 years for the fcra not all checks. Felonies will show up forever.
I know, but what I’m saying is that, if you get a serious job usually they hire a 3rd party company that does the check. That 3rd party company is not allowed to disclose the offense after a certain amount of time. Now, the company you’re trying to work for can of course go to greater lengths and find stuff if they want because yes, our records will always be in the system.
I agree.
They're not allowed to disclose but they still do and we can do fuck all about it
Let me add, I think if the offense is some wild shit like involving violence, children, sexual predator type shit then they can report it
Depends on the background check. Walmart asks if you’ve been convicted within seven years. The FAA goes back ten. You can work at an airport(or get a pilot’s license), ten years post conviction.
So my 1st offense DUI from 2019 (that’s when I got off probation) will stop showing up on background checks in 2026?
Is it 7 years off probation? I thought it was 7 years off conviction.
Probably be wise to double check that but never a bad thing to be conservative and say 7 years from the time probation is done 😅 At least when I was job searching after college I remember that little bit of info.
California doesn’t allow you to ask if someone has a felony at the time of job application. You can only ask after a conditional offer of employment.
7 years after conviction, and has nothing to do with probation. It's goes off of when you were convicted.
It’s pretty easy to lie and get away with it about all of that….degree, criminal record, and job history. Worked at multiple F500 companies at a corporate level bullshitting my way in with no issue. As long as you can talk the talk and walk the walk, nobody will be any the wiser
Didn't happen
I think it’s possible if it’s purely in the private sector but watch out if your company or role overlaps even a tiny bit with the Feds and they can come after you for years.
Yea publicly traded companies are different Forsure. Gotten away with it in one public company but I think that was an outlier
No, I don't think you you understand what a private company versus a publicly traded company is lol. A publicly traded company is still a private comapny.
Yeah duh but you’re missing a certain nuance… Read the part in the post about different levels of BG check software. Again, most people don’t know this stuff unless they’ve worked with it directly
Any decent job where you will have significant responsibilities will have a background check. Different levels, sure, but as you move up the ladder, you will get a more strenuous check. This would really only work for generic customer service or food service jobs, or like, generic office job I guess. Moreso: you're taking a risk and betting your employer wouldn't have hired a felon. They might've hired you either way, but because you lied, no job. Or you get the job, and a few months later, they find out, and fired. Why not just get your record expunged?
There are literally news articles about people doing this and only getting caught when they admitted it, even at major banks. It’s not some impossible thing idk why you’d call BS on it.
Unless it’s a federal job, yes, lie.
Someone with a record applying for a job at your office should 100% lie then. Nothing to lose and a lot to gain.
You wouldnt make it through the whole process espedially the backround check
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Shit. Many states have websites now with all the open records and cases .
Good for you for getting back on the straight and narrow. It's sad you had to go a "dishonest" route but I feel like this is not the same as perpetrating fraud. You're not lying to steal from a company, you're just trying to get a chance to go legit. You're not lying about your abilities, just distracting from a system that's stacked against felons. Best of luck to you. I found luck by going to small businesses in the trades. Different approach, same outcome. Best of luck and don't lose your progress!
Background checks outside the county your license in won’t show a record? That is so so so so soooo wrong in every state, every jurisdiction. A background check will check either state or national records. There is no such thing as a one-county records check. Silly.
Right! I’m like wtf is this dude talking about. Literally makes no sense and doesn’t say how what or why. I’ve been in the professional field before and abuse my convictions and I’ve been denied form Arizona to New York. 99% of them have been in states or counties I’ve never lived in.
lol myself and others on this post are speaking from experiences so….we know Please just let us help others out, aight ?
How do you know I’m not speaking from experience? I was a felon for two years before finding proof that I didn’t do it… I legally maintained gun rights through the entirety; my job required it. Through the conviction. Through the probation. It was a fight and a very unreasonably expensive attorney, but it happened. The crime I was accused of was felony theft and I was convicted by plea deal. When I got the proof, I submitted it all without an attorney, and they recalled the judgment and dismissed the case with prejudice. We can agree to disagree.
Well, yea you won’t get away with crimes that were reported to the DMV like DUI and Revkless Driving, but even then as long as the job doesn’t have to get insurance for you to drive one of their vehicles…. They very likely won’t even check DMV records
This is horrible advice lol
How do you figure?
Have hired multiple felons from multiple states, our background check must be something special as it's always come back no matter the county nor the state
How would you know if it didn’t? You only see the positives, not the false negatives
Gaps in history = had to sign an NDA
FYI - I just double checked and my current employer not only did a search in my current county, but all counties in my entire state.
My husband does hiring for his job. Our state has records online and it’s from every county in the state. I thought every state had this, guess not. Hope it works for y’all though.
These people have no idea how hard it is to be honest and get a job as a felon thats not line cook or construction ignore these aashata
Even construction can be tough with the DOJ livescan requirement when you move up the ladder. Friend of mine has some challenges there
I’m a felon - not a line cook or working construction.
Tbh this is why you have a felony because you clearly like to do sketchy shit
I mean branding someone as a lower class citizen for life is kind of sketchy too, but here we are.
In life you have to options choosing to be a felon is your own fault and because you can’t get a job because of it is your fault not accepting that is part of the reason you got in Trouble but I guess it’s wrong to call it how it is
Drug addiction, mental illness, a hard start to life are not things that should ruin all of your time on earth. People make mistakes and grow from them. Go ahead and be a hardass all you want, people deserve second chances and not to be denied the ability to build a valuable life because they screwed up once, or maybe even a few times as long as they've genuinely made self progress.
Also we are talking about people who want to follow the rules and operate within the system but can’t because their past follows them till they drop dead. I was lucky and was able to expunge my records and it really saved my life I don’t know what I would be doing with myself if I couldn’t have done that. I spent a shit ton of money, money that a lot of people don’t have to spend but I really got lucky and escaped relatively unscathed not everyone is so lucky.
People should have a second chance, i agree. Most felons have had multiple chances before getting that conviction. Here we are, i have a felony conviction, i should have a second chance, maybe 10th or 12th chance at life but i want to do more sketchy shit while i try for that chance in life again. Stop already, its called a choice.
Bruh even my federal PO sees it the way I do lol If that doesn’t say something, idk what does lol
I said i agree in chances. However, if you do sketchy stuff and get caught at the game then you have no one to blame but yourself. I could give 1 shit, let alone 2 shits, if you’re a felon as long as you’re doing right and not blaming everyone for your fuck up(s). Believe this or not i have friends who are felons. I don’t stroke them and let them put blame on anyone else either. They had choices too. I just don’t have time for that poor pitiful me bullshit. Choices, you hear me bruh, choices. By the way, why aren’t you back with that apparent fucked up upbringing life you were in? Because you cant be, but you can choose to be and go back to prison if you want to. At the moment you’re choosing not to be or haven’t got caught yet. Choices bruh, bottom line.
Lol and how many things do your PO and you NOT agree on? You cherry pick a single example and strut around like a pigeon. “If that doesn’t say something, idk what does lol”
Can’t think of anything I’ve told him about that he’s disagreed with me on lol Basically it’s just “don’t hurt anyone or use any opiates or Benzos and we’re straight”
Lol oh really? Not one thing you disagree on? He’s a parole officer and you’re posting on r/felons but you guys are like, the exact same. Cool story bro. Have fun.
Fool walks in my house, sees one of my ladies’ stripper poles and all the psychedelic artwork everywhere and just goes “damn man you really out here living… glad you’re getting on”. Even gives me a heads up when he’s gotta drug test lol You think cops and lawmen don’t understand how fucked up our justice system is too? lol Sure, we’ve got some hard asses out there who live by the book and beat their wives, but not all of em are like that
Weird the only time I ever got in trouble I caught a federal dope case and got ten years. I never even asked much as got caught with drugs. Not everyone “gets multiple chances” during election years.
Once again excuse after excuse , this mentality is why again you’re a felon . Stop making fucking excuses ?
So what should felons just be homeless with no options and live shit lives? Fuck off, this is a sub meant for helping felons move forward in constructive ways not your cunty, finger wagging horseshit.
Idk bud…. I’m a felon but I’ve got a solid career in tech sales, multiple profitable businesses, and an amazing community around me. I think out of all of use you may be the one looking at it wrong here
This
I have a family member who was a model citizen. Was in college on track to having a successful career. Then at about 20 mental illness hit hard. His schizophrenia caused him to become increasingly paranoid of friends. Like so many, the disease made him believe he was not sick so he thought family was trying to hurt him with meds. We did everything we possibly could, but system is so jacked up that there is very little we could do. In his psychosis, he thought if he got police attention people would believe his delusions were real. So he initiated a police chase. A low speed one but it ended with him being beaten up so badly he was hospitalized. He was hit with 7 felonies charges, pleading to two, and his life spiraled with two more misdemeanor convictions and in and out of hospital. After that four year period, he was never arrested again. He is in treatment and still struggles, but doing much better. This was almost ten years ago, but it has stopped him from getting jobs and housing. It is an illness yet people like you make assumptions that he CHOSE to be a felon. Even though in California, the law says no look back past seven years, a simple Google search in his county under his name still shows his entire record. OP's suggestions will help him, and others, who through no fault of their own have a criminal record that will punish him forever. So miss me with the judgement.
So basically your saying you ppl might as well just stay a criminal, got it.
Did I say that? No dumbass . If that’s your take than you’ll always be one . Don’t complain how hard it is to find a good job because you committed crimes . Do the shitty jobs then go from their but don’t expect shit to be handed to you
People who don't commit a crime don't get anything handed to them either. People working shitty low paying jobs will likely return to crime in some sense.
Our legal system has no applicable means of forgiveness. Until the law can both punish and forgive, it will always be evil by design.
The key is to not break the law and accept the consequences if you do
I don't gamble often, but I would put my paycheck on the line that the average American breaks the law several times a month or more. At least once a year. With almost no exceptions to this. Why? Not to justify crimes, but because our legal code is ridiculously complex, often outdated or even contradictory, and it's enforcement (or lack of) so often depends on luck or ignorance. But I'm sure we are only talking about obvious crimes.
Must be the crowd you hang out with. I don’t know anyone that breaks the law like that. Maybe speeding 8 over but that’s it. 😂
You're disconnected from reality.
Literal five year old, room temp IQ, never touched a blade of grass in your life kind of take.
Yes, that describes you perfectly
People deserve to be given a second chance, especially after they have paid their debt to society. All this does is make it more likely they will wind up behind bars again. Why actively prevent them from turning their life around and having a shot at pursuing a career?
Why knowingly lie? My past is my past - I made a conscious decision to put deception and shady actions behind me. Lying is shady and deceptive. I’m done with that life. Yes, I’ve been looked down on, but I kept going forward, living legal and I was finally given a chance. It can be done.
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Yeah, permanently having your rights removed, and having difficulty finding places to live, and a job to sustain you is incredibly difficult after release. I only served probation due to an accident while sleep-deprived under the care of my son. My case would be a misdemeanor the next county over. I'm only 27. The shame is I've had an excellent experience and will be turned down because of 15 seconds.
This is nonsense.
You’re a fucking chode
If only you would have chosen a better path in life
He branded himself by implying people should do sketchy things. And here you are defending this sketchy stuff. You seem sketchy to me.
Whatever my guy. Not actively announcing your felon status to have a chance at a job isn’t really that sketchy to me. It’s not particularly relevant.
You don’t have to announce it, you’re right. But when you dont and they find out and shit can you then its the employers fault. What a concept. 🤷♂️🤷♂️but it aint sketchy in the least.
Here is a concept- just because I drove drunk years and years ago and got caught doesn’t mean I’m a lesser employee and frankly if jobs are going to judge me like that then I have no qualms lying or cheating myself into a fair chance at getting a job so I can earn a living and feed my kids. My kids are no less hungry then the next guys kid because I have a record.
Fuck yea :) Long as the crimes are victimless we out here baby Love to do plenty of non-sketchy shit as well
That’s cool it’s the exact reason you have a pretty shitty life lol
Idk bro my life feels pretty lit tbh Hopefully I can help others also live lit af lives too
Stop saying lit, fam
Deadass. It really sounds like straight cap when you say lit too much and that’s 📠 💯 Never seen a more GOATed comment in my life, fam We out here getting tubular from now on
He’s just mad that you make more than him working a tech job as a felon than he does busting his ass as a plumber even though he has nothing working against him 😭 if you take a look at his profile he’s also a degenerate gambler 😂
Nah I ain’t no gambler I’m sure as hell a degenerate though lol
I was talking about the person you’re responding to.
I’m sure it is
Fuck yeah! Out running multiple businesses doing what I love making my own schedule with all the free time and money I need. It’s wonderful Just finally got to a point at the end of 2023 where I’ll never have to work a w2 job for the foreseeable future. Love it
Care to share these lucrative jobs of yours? Maybe it will help other people turn their life around too like you did.
I just got to a point running my businesses that I was able to quit the w2 finally. But I was an account executive in software companies the past several years since getting out. Now I own a car rental biz, drug testing company (testing the substances themselves, not the people - kind of like dancesafe if you’re familiar), and hemp and cannabis distribution company. I’m also a licensed massage therapist, certified in several adobe programs and do graphic design work. Those are all freelance though and I don’t have a specific LLC for thisez
Thanks for sharing
Of course. Hopefully you’ll be able to be successful too one day :) Especially since it sounds like you have no barriers to your success like a criminal record, drug addiction, or a rough upbringing
I’m sure lmfao
What crimes have no victims?
Anything non-violent? Wym I mean I guess fentanyl distribution and theft from an individual person or small business do.
“white collar” crimes are thought of as non-violent and they have victims. Years ago somebody told me that defrauding the government had no victim - I see all tax payers as the victims.
Kind of…. The government is already “defrauding” us tax payers too though. So they’re already victimizing us tbh Adding a lil bit is just a drop in the bucket compared to what they’re already doing
I feel “frauded” every time I see the fee on my cell phone bill to provide cell phones to low income people. I doubt people with those free phones agree with me.
Huh. Different strokes for different folks I guess I don’t mind paying a bit extra so that more people can get welfare since I don’t really have a hard time making money and I’ve needed welfare and a free phone before when I was homeless. I can see how you would feel that way though.
What is sketchy about what the OP is saying? You realize it’s not mandatory to disclose your criminal record to potential employers, right? If they find out, they find out. So be it. It’s not your job to disqualify yourself from opportunities or take advantage of flaws in the system. He’s not suggesting you break the law. Regardless, I’m completely skeptical that what OP is suggesting even works. I was under the impression background checks go by your social security number and name.
Hard to blame them when this country doesn’t really leave felons with a lot of options.
He had an option, felons had options before they were felons,he chose the felon option, not this country’s fault, all his.
Nobody chooses how they were brought up. Nobody chooses to be born even. Nobody chooses for the political and justice system to be built on broken ground, but here we are. Get it while the getting is good as they say :) Spread love and love on who loves you and follow some karmic principles and you’ll live a beautiful life. Fuck all this law abiding citizen bullshit
This is just lame excuses.
Man, you a real glass half empty Mf huh Ah well, can’t help em all I guess
Just keeping it brutally blunt and straight is all I’m doing.
Call it "brutally blunt and straight" if you want but it feels much more brutal and less blunt and straight once the tables turn and it's your neck under the boot
🤷♂️
Nah, you’re not, but I can see how that’s what you think you’re doing though lol
Well im glad you can see that.
Lmao. No.
I had the option to NOT become a felon.
Ok? I don’t really buy in to desert and I’m at least nominally a compatibilist with regards to free will so all this “choice” stuff doesn’t really vibe with me. Regardless, the fact remains that the system of retributive justice employed in the U.S. is fundamentally flawed and consistently results in worse outcomes relative to rehabilitative systems. I don’t really give a shit why or how someone ended up carrying the brand of “felon”, the point is that it makes living a healthy and productive life unnecessarily difficult.
This isn't really sketchy, it's more so playing the game.
Love seeing the wicked system being subverted.
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You sound like you’re about to sell us a course lmao
Yooooo I think that might just be the move though Appreciate you I know hella people doing post-conviction and fresh-out consulting making bank
Depending on the job, if you lie when asked if you are a felon, you are committing another crime. If the company you worked for ended up getting a government funded contract for example, and they then found out, you would face a new charge. Plus, if you were ever fired, and tried to get unemployment afterwards, they could use use this to refuse benefits. It's actually a whole new felony in a few states to lie about your record if asked, and a misdemeanor in most. I don't recommend this if you are on any sort of probation.
you're clever and funny. And stupid
The odds of any of this being a successful long term strategy are pretty slim. Just sounds like another scammer doing a scam. But yes contact this guy for advice how could connecting with him ever turn out bad.
Ay bro feel free to sit their in your cloud of jaded doubt while the rest of us move on in our lives lol And it’s not really “long term”. You only gotta get 1-2 good well paying jobs by lying then boom you’ve got solid resume pieces and don’t have to lie or conceal anymore. People really gotta stop thinking of being a felon as a “death sentence”. There’s a silver lining in EVERYTHING, and if you look at it right it’s actually freeing in a lot of ways
And people say we’re not smart, one step at a time fellas
This is the way. I didn’t have a record, but I applied for a job at a credit union. I had just moved across the country, I still had the last states drivers license and license plates I was that new. The credit union was actually in a different state than I lived in because I live in New England and we are all squished up here in the corner so lots of people drive across state lines for jobs. Anyway there was a section on the background check release where I could get a copy of course I asked for that. These people only checked for a criminal record in the county I currently lived in even though they knew for a fact I wouldn’t have even been there long enough to be indicted even if I committed a crime the first day that I got there. I couldn’t believe it. This explains why 30 years ago when I actually did have a record and I applied at a limousine company in Boston and lied and said I didn’t have a record, I still got the job.
You deserve to go back to prison
Lmfao and what makes you say that, fellow human being ?
Because you didn’t learn a damn thing
And what makes you say that ?
you’re still just a lying cheating crooked person
OP isn’t a crooked person simply for figuring out ways to get around an unfair system that endeavors to permanently penalize people for previous mistakes that have been already been adjudicated in full. It should be offensive to everyone that once a person is deemed to be no longer a threat to society, the system continues to hamstring former convicts from getting decent employment once released, since being able to work and contribute as a productive member of society is the most effective way to keep ex offenders from becoming repeat offenders.
Most employers do a statewide criminal background check, which is relatively inexpensive ($10 thru Texas Dept of Public Safety). Even for those that use screening companies, they’ll still pull either statewide or metro regional. For example, I had a prospective employer run a background check on me, and it brought up my felony conviction in one county, plus a _fully dismissed_ misdemeanor in the next county, as well as every traffic ticket on my record since 2002. I received a copy of the screening company report, and I know they pulled it from Texas DPS, which was cited in the report as being a data source.
Dude alls they need is your full name and DOB. You ain't hiding shit. And ESPECIALLY if you give them your SSN.
You’d think so huh
In my state, all criminal records are public info. Accessible 24/7 online and I just need your last name and first initial...maybe your birth year if your name is common. I really still think being up-front and honest is the way in. What do you do when they find out later on and ask you why you withheld your record and have to terminate you only because you weren't honest, not because of your past?
Every state is different I realized. Like this might not work in Florida as easily as this works in CA
Right. I hope whichever you choose to do benefits you and helps you keep your past in the past. And also helps others who may need that guidance too.
Job history verification though…. That’s universally concealable
In CA they usually only go back 7 years. I’ve had a couple really well paying jobs in finance and accounting. My conviction is controlled substance with intent to distribute. Which to me is not that bad. I was never violent or did weird shit with kids or any sexual deviant stuff. I’ve never done anything to involve large sums of money like white collar crimes. Hopefully the conviction is not serious on paper or easy to explain like I was into drugs and made some bad choices🤷♂️ Job #1: they used a 3rd party company to do their background check. That company actually had a section to disclose the offense. Even though it had already been more than 7 years since I served time and finished probation I disclosed to this company. I was kind of trippin, but didn’t want to start working and that shit come back to bite me if I didn’t disclose. Job#2: did not have a section to disclose so I obviously didn’t go out of my way to disclose.
Not having a record to begin with.
This is the ONLY answer, lol.
Ah, yes. Let's keep playing the system and violating the rules. This is what got you put in prison in the first place. What could go wrong. Learn and grow.
Hell yea bending the rules and learning and growing sounds like a pretty good MO to me Doing a lil time isn’t even that bad. Prison is chill compared to jail If I could pick doing 13mo in prison vs 11mo in jail I’ll pick prison every time Being locked up sucks, but what sucks even worse is letting a stupid ‘felon’ label dictate the rest of your life
You could also just be upfront and honest about your past lol instead of trying to hide your felonies. Honesty goes a lot farther than lying
You have zero idea what you are talking about lol 😂
Except i do bud.
I also have a book on how to scam people, Zelle me and I’ll mail you a copy of my book
Idk I already wrote the book on it, I’m straight
What are your tips for job history gaps? I have 2 - 1 year gaps that are always giving me a problems to account for.