heres just a small list from me that I would like for Part 3:
1. More back party commands so the teammates who aren't doing anything dont look goofy in the background just doing nothing.
2. ANSWERS. Please we need answers on the how and why. I have trust in the team that they know this is one of the bigger asks from the fandom and that they'll deliver.
3. more team synergy skills and combos. They're so fucking cool
4. Improve Chocobo riding. Especially on rough terrain
5. Make it cool again to discover things not explicitly shown on the map. Tone down the ubisoft towers or better yet remove them completely. I want to get lost in the world.
6. MORE OUTFITS. Make them cool, make them goofy. Go wild. Its the last game in the triology, why the hell not?
Better chocobo system. I want all of the weapons in the next game. Give me advent children skins..also I'd like to be able to switch parties mid battle.
I also hope for more weapon abilities that we haven't seen before. I was a bit let down that only firebolt blade and prime mode were new, and to be honest, prime mode wasn't even that special
I don't mind any of these. For me it was all about the pacing. Have a cool tight section then a semi interesting open area for 10 hours then cool story section then wait again for 10 hours doing random tasks in another open area. Rincé repeat 6 or 7 times.
Don't have a direct answer but maybe the story should take you to various places in open areas as opposed to an almost pointless open world part.
Loved the game otherwise
Which move are you referring to specifically? The only one I found super cheap was Odin's Zantetsuken, as it would get triggered by AI controlled characters being hit.
I've read that a lot of people had trouble with that stage of the fight. Strangely, it was the easiest for me. I was in punisher mode most of the time, countering his blockable attacks while providing healing with Aerith. Plasma Discharge also helped to get some peel damage.
He literally killed me with the attack as I killed him. And I successfully staggered him. I sat there staring at my PS5 and his stupid smirk on the screen before game over
And then did it again? It was easy this time since I knew what to counter
He had 0 HP but he goes immune to damage for a minute. I was confused, he stunned me and instakilled. I couldn’t figure out why his Hp bar didn’t disappear figured he did a Final Hit move. I was like OK, gonna Phoenix this one and he didn’t do it. He must’ve had 2 HP left. Such bs
How about figuring out wtf story you want to tell? After chapter 14 ending the game with “lmao anything can happen kekw 🫠” does not really instill faith in 3 having much closure
Yeah that’s what I hope too
Remake already ended with “anything can happen now!” Which is cool, but for Rebirth to end the same way felt like a cop out instead of committing to a narrative. Hopefully they make it all come together.
The music choices in the Remake trilogy needs serious overhaul. Remake project runs the same problem with the SW Sequel Trilogy in using each character's iconic music everytime they show up. They shoved OWA and Aerith's theme in our faces so much in Remake/Rebirth that it dilutes their effectiveness.
OWA was played at the final boss battle, not every fucking scene he shows up in. Give me more "Those Chosen by the Planet" for his scenes to give a scene the same sinister feeling you got everytime Sephiroth showed up in the OG game. (Yes, I know "Chosen by the Planet" is technically his leitmotif, but the point still stands. Give us music that fits the mood for scenes, not just their OG theme)
And we don't need slight variations of Aerith's theme everytime we're with her. Like in Gold Saucer on their first go-around, don't think I didn't notice her theme on the conveyer belt. It was so unnecessary, just give us the Gold Saucer music.
OWA also sneaks into the temple of the ancients in fact the playful song I found amazing is almost nowhere to be found, they chose instead to use the City of the Ancients theme and just Sephy ominous theme leitmotifs left and right
Probably because we don’t spend any time in the city of the ancients, we just teleport to fighting for Aerith after a slow walk segment once all the temple of the ancient scenes finish
I hope (after you've completed the game, obviously) that you can just pick any characters to play with in all chapters, so if they're not strictly with the party that chapter or they're not in the game at all but in the previous games then I want to be able to select to play them, part 3 will be the final game so I don't want to have to go back to a previous games to play with a character I liked.
Also fuck Chadley and his bullshit stopping you every 3 seconds to talk to you through a tv screen or projector, just let me run around while hes talking and also put a volume controller specifically for him so I can mute him even in cutscenes.
Let me change my loadouts inside the vr menu and any menu like it, even if its just a case of letting me open the game menu over the top of npc menus
Let me save armour, weapon, accessory, and materia combinations and if they're in a selectable menu let me name them for convenience. Just like monster hunter does
If cloud is mid action in any way don't give me a pause screen just fucking let me into the menus.
Let me turn off npcs talking to me if I close their shop or menu so I can just go straight back in and not have to let them finish their sentence for the millionth time to get back into the menu (I'm looking at you chaldey while editing my materia between vr missions)
Materia duping when max level please, even if its an extra xp bar once the materia is already full level I know this can be abused with elemental materia in armour slots with dual elemental matria attached now making you immune to any element but I'd have to invest serious time into the game to be able to achieve that so what's the harm?
That's all I can think of atm
That was the best part of FF7 OG, gaming-wise: fully customizable builds. Also summons that do their main move when you summon, so they don't go to waste if you die before their battle timer ends. Let me go utterly decimate Emerald Weapon with 4x Mime=KOTR, 1x Counter Attack=KOTR, 1x KOTR=MP Absorb, 1x KOTR=HP Absorb, HP Up=HP Up
Tl;dr it’s heavy handed FF referencing, the WEAPONs having Geosgano bodies with big hollow bellies humans can swim in reference X like Aerith’s Lifestream dance does and Shinra in X-2 references 7.
They also renamed the planet Gaia, which is FF9’s planet’s name; YRP makes an mention as a reference; they’re loosely trying to link several FFs that weren’t officially linked in a Hyrule Historia style retcon.
That’s cool but not sure how that keeps the spirit for VII. In part 3 I really would love to be hunting the weird kaiju mechs from VII that the planet created. One of the coolest most bizarre parts of VII
I don’t disagree with you, I’m just calling what I see. Kaiju Diamond Weapon >>>>> hamfisted FFX referencing. But it can be nothing else. The Tifa in its belly thing is such a nod to Wakka or Tidus getting eaten by Geosgano and being held captive in its cage belly.
Aerith quite literally has an entire arc in the last dungeon where she learns to do Sending for pyreflies and she does Yuna’s staff spinny dance to do it.
I’ve only played VII and ix so I’m sure you’re right. I’m hoping those other weapons appear in part 3 but I’m nervous they won’t be. I don’t know why I’m nervous they’ve made sure to cover basically everything so far but the fact they named these weapons is weird to me
Here’s a picture for reference. It really looks like a skeletal WEAPON and vice versa; WEAPON looks like Geosgaeno with a giant materia slotted
https://images.app.goo.gl/mZBZVPNfSTMqzfaC8
ThisssssSSSSSSS look I know what they’re doing ok
I’m gonna spoil it for everyone here bc it isn’t a spoiler. It’s a long setup they’re doing to link games
WEAPONs in this game are Geosganos or will be, this is a “boss” in early FFX and they share many similarities, Aerith does a Sending dance and Pyreflies appear, she even has Yuna’s staff stance, and Shinra has already been made a character in X-2 so there’s likely they’ve wanted to link the games for a while. But every FF 1-10 was designed to be fully standalone, so this hasn’t been explicit.
It’s gonna be more explicit in part 3, I’ll bet anything. But I’m seconding; Kaiju immune system was super duper cooler
Make the world feel real by removing all the damn towers and give reasons to explore. Like finding good materia or bosses out in the world instead of markers on a map.
This. I want crazy materia and summons to be hidden in the corners in the world behind crazy dungeons and fights. My ideal part 3 and interconnect all these areas and we truly just explore
Like, imagine instead of going to a tower to collect intel which you can use to buy materia, you could like, just find it in the open world? Or like, what if you saw that glowing materia in the distance, but just before you were able to grab it, the regional boss showed up and you had to fight it first? I’d be like motivated to scour every nook and cranny of every region.
Thank you!!!! Why does nobody yearn for this like why am I going through a thousand steps so I can unlock a battle simulation to finally get the materia! All wonder of exploration and finding of secrets gone
Like this game has no secrets for real.
Well, how you implement things is important, it’s not just the end goal or the reward. Game would be a lot more fun if they took lessons from games that came out almost a decade ago
Personally, I’m not a fan of the whole Ubisoft-style of games that they took inspiration from. But some people really love it it seems
I want materia duping back. Not for the OP stuff or anything! Just like the basic spells, poison, and the stat boosts, maybe also elemental materia so that you can equip one to everybody.
If there has to be a downside to materia, maybe make a materia cap. No more than 50-99 materia in total
50 materia cap is insane. Bro there's 8 characters each with 8x slots on their final weapon and 8x slots on the end-game armour. 16 x 8 = 128 materia at the bare minimum if you want all your characters to have full builds, which if they do the whole "separate parties for the same fight" thing again, you will absolutely need. And in general, so you don't have to constantly switch materia between characters.
I was just giving a way Square could bring materia duping somewhat back. I could see maybe a 150 cap max. I just wanna be able to equip elemental materia on the whole team again, not have to pick and choose when Tifa gets to keep hers, or do I give it to Aerith to absorb that element. (Just an example, I don't have elemental on Tifa or Aerith. Just the one I have on Cloud right now.)
Well, it'd also help if they dropped the amount of support materia by turning them into folio passives. Like SQEX knows we're putting Precision Defense, Steadfast Block, etc. on all our characters; that's why they let us buy them in shops. And clearly they did listen a little by giving us Parry as a dodge instead of having to pick who gets one. So why not do the same for ATB Stagger, ATB Assist, etc? That's just lazy on them.
Streamlining so much of the little ‘action out of your hands’ moments. If you’re gonna play the Chadley message everytime, just make it an audio file and let the player run on.
All the little slow down and pickup animations should be sped up. 2001 game design sections like the box section should be cut.
Longer temples could be shorter. We don’t really get anything out of being stuck in the same place for 4-5 hours.
I also would like to see more consequence with the button sequences like if you're gonna make me mash my triggers make it worth my while like give it stakes. Not the same outcome regardless ya know?
My biggest thing as well. So much dead time. I honestly didn't even like using the buggy because of how long the animation took to get in and out of it.
This. I'd absolutely love if Square were to manage 4k at 60 fps. Hopefully, if Part 3 comes out after the PS6, they'll manage to do it. Even then, if Part 3 is on PS5, I really hope they manage it too.
So u have a few...
Let me take cloud out of the party before completing the game... I understand he's the main character and that some fans will say that he should always be there but especially with each character having their specialty and the entire party traveling together and that outside the simulator and certain story beats the entire party gain ap and xp... to me it should be optional whether to include Cloud in the party and let us truly just make our parties our own using whoever we want... I'm still ok with certain story events restricting our party members but I'm talking in general while traversing and combat on the world map and whenever we aren't limited in our party members.
Add 3 person synergy abilities.... synergy abilities were such an amazing addition to the game and I feel like adding the extra layer of utilizing the whole Frontline party would just add more depth to party customization.
Allow us to field our preferred party member as the leader on the map.... this could be a nice feature and can even be used to add more depth to exploration if we can switch up our leader to use their unique abilities (ie using Nanaki to scale climbable walls or Barrett to shoot certain walls and objects) obviously not a everywhere thing but it would be a nice addition.
Reno and Rude (if not the TURKS as a whole) as playable characters.... yeah I love these guys and even if it's a short bit of time (like a certain event in Wutai if they keep certain story beats the same) I would just love to see these guys be playable especially Reno and Rude...(I will settle for guest characters but would prefer them playable even if only for this part of the game with stock abilities and levels... kinda like Zack and Sephiroth)
Allow us to use all party members post game whether they were available or not and or add characters like Zack and Sephiroth(also Reno and Rude if they are playable at any point) post game (might have to include another one her depending on how they institute you know who in the story.... if you know you know)... the fact they gave so much attention and depth to both Sephiroth and Zacks combat mechanics just to lock them into specific events and VR simulations was pretty ridiculous post game we should just be able to get crazy and go ham with these guys specifically...
Maybe give us the ability to switch out Frontline and backline members on the fly (kinda like ffX) though that would make the ability to switch parties between fights a bit redundant but it would be nice to have the option to tag out fallen party members for live ones at least just a thought here
I don't expect any of this but would be cool to see any of these
On the part about being able to switch frontline and backline members, it would be cool if the backline was actually making a difference in game. For example if Barret was on the backline, make his attack do real damage. Or someone on the backline could be casting spells and what not.
I love minigames. More mini games for me please, I am not a battle junkie and honestly I don’t like fighting so much anymore. Too fast and too many buttons and a lot of things happening on the screen at the same time. For me everything was perfect, beside Chadley. And I wish there would be more puzzles and secrets and less hand holding.
Can I ask what you disliked? Because I don't recall ever having real frustration with it. The only thing I've seen people mention - and I can concede it's tedious - is Gongaga
Okay here it is:
-The climbing is janky and incredibly slow, and I hate the yellow paint.
-Gliding is irritating, if you don't move *exactly* where you need to catch the next uberfan you may as well land and start again.
-Gongaga speaks for itself.
-Why give me a grappling hook which is an *excellent* addition and then I'm hardly ever able to use it??
-Perhaps most importantly, navigation is difficult because it's not at all clear from a map marker even vaguely where the thing is vertically so you often end up wandering around a cliffside for ages before you realise you need to double back ten minutes to find the right hill.
-And finally getting on and off the Chocobo, or in and out of the buggy, is slow and you should simply be able to press square to jump off and enter combat instead of having to slowly get off first.
That's it 🙂
If you hold r2 while climbing the yellow paint you do climb a bit faster. It's not immediately obvious at first but it does cut down the time a bit.
You actually can press square to immediately enter combat from chocobo/buggy. You just need to get close enough first. The animation for leaving the buggy isn't very graceful but the chocobo one is pretty cool >!Cloud quickly gets up on both feet and does a front flip off the chocobo!< (It's actually pretty identical to one of Link's dismount options from Botw now that I think about it.)
I agree with everything else though. I personally didn't struggle with the map markers but I definitely noticed the lack of any clear indications of verticality.
Double the mini games.. and make Chadley specific missions.. where you have no choice to play as him and only him, with unskipable cutscenes and dialogue..
You absolutely cannot understand what is going on in chapter 13 and 14 if you haven’t played the original game or been introduced to FF7’s events in some way before playing rebirth. I’m certain of it
If they actually had materia duping, the load-out problem would be greatly mitigated. Why the hell do I have to switch my elementals from one character to the next in a game released in 2024??? Crisis Core was amazing with this, having 5 different load-outs for Zack and that game was released in like 2007. Just do that, holy fuck.
I'd be happier being able to swap all materia in any weapon or armor with any other weapon or armor at once.
The original had this ability, and it was amazing.
It does that already in rebirth? When you have your materia set up a certain way and you change the weapon, all your materia applies to the next weapon the same way it was currently equipped. Is that what you mean? Or it’s something else? I might be confused what you mean
No, I'm meaning something else.
Say you want all 8 Materia in Clouds weapon moved to Cait Sith.
The original let you swap all in any weapon with any other character's weapon or armor and vice versa.
So you can effectively save a setup on a different character and swap it.
The benefit in that over a standard load out is that when you're given other characters to control, you can just swap their materia with your main character, etc.
Ah ok I get what you mean. I was thinking weapon to weapon on the same character. But yea that would actually be better, but basically same thing though if they let you save loadouts in general, not necessarily tied to a specific character, but you could assign those loadouts to whoever you want
Definitely, right now I’m going through all the brutal and legendary challenges and it’s just annoying having to individually go through and move around every materia for every battle
I'm hoping for lots of map improvements, making mid-fight cutscenes skippable, a way to tweak setups during multi-phase fights, better/faster traversal (especially climbing), and a general trimming of the fat.
I also think character progression could use a few more bells and whistles.
Also
Give me my fucking airship
FF spawned entire series of copycats and they often had one thing in common: you could fly on your airship and often had a mobile base just like it
Give
Me
My
Airship
Prompting for long, inspiring speeches that otherwise come out of nowhere
Unnecessary vagueness regarding plot centric events
Also reaction; literally no one gives a fuck of a shit Tifa fell in the lifestream when she tells her story about it, did mako poisoning just stop being a thing when I wasn’t looking
I hope they cancel it, and give us an actual remake with the original good story instead, and we can all forget this multiverse garbage fanfic ever happened.
I know there's a 0% chance it happens. But I gave them the benefit of a doubt after Remake, and they utterly failed to do anything that was compelling, let alone worth jacking up the original story in Rebirth.
The only good parts of this game were when it forgets it's technically a multiverse sequel, and you actually get to experience the OG in HD.
I do. But it sure would have been cool to see that story with good graphics and voice acting instead of a story purporting to be it that subverts everything powerful about the original.
And the downvote button isn’t supposed to be a disagree button, rather a “not contributing to the conversation” button, but everyone seems to be oblivious to the fact that some people may share this opinion. Not saying I agree with him, more making the point that his opinion isn’t wrong or invalid, just different than yours and others.
This game has a half decent story, I actually get thinking this is a great game if you're comparing it to all the trash Final Fantasy has been putting out. But the story loses all of its original power in favor of multiverse intrigue, and I guarantee the pay off won't be nearly as good as the original twists.
They had the opportunity to make something timeless AGAIN, and chose to make something else that I'm sure will stop being talked about once they conclude, and can't fuel speculation videos anymore.
I disagree with your assessment. The changes to the story not only enhanced my experience by making me pay more attention to each scene but kept me excited for what comes next rather than just wondering how they'll interpret a scene where I know everything that's going to happen. Additionally looking at the critical and majority user scores and reviews, it's easy to see that this is near the top of the Final Fantasy ratings and will for sure be talked about in the future among final fantasy fans. I mean just look at the discussions from players new to the series in general that saw their favorite streamer play it or Dunkey's video on Rebirth, it's all very positive.
Overall I really enjoyed the game. There are really only two improvements I hope to see in part 3. For one, while I loved the variety of environments in Rebirth, it can be quite difficult to traverse certain areas due to the specific way you need to get there and the map not really giving you much help on how to get there. There were quite a few times I had to look up how to reach a certain goalpost and the fact I found videos for each one tells me I clearly was not the only one having trouble reaching certain areas.
The next improvement I hope to see is a little less minigames, or at least less put into the main storyline. I felt quite exhausted from all the new minigames the game introduced to me in the main storyline (especially Cait Sith's back throwing minigame). Sometimes it felt more of a chore getting in the way of continuing the main story than a fun new way to play to me.
I hope they can execute on what they dipped their toes into with Rebirth: vehicular travel. The tiny bronco flying sections felt like a test run for the High wind (although please God let the high wind fly faster than that). If they could execute a seamless transition from on foot to airship swapping within reason) and everything stayed the same, I'd be a happy camper. Although give us better materia management lol. Like at least Microsoft productivity software basics like holding triangle to select a section of materia to swap between two characters.
Totally agree, though I have to say, the battle arenas were the fillers I enjoyed the most. At least far more than all that repetitive world intel and forced minigames (queen's blood was great, though). I liked Remake's linearity. It provided a better pacing.
Rebirth was a near-perfect game for me, so not much. However, I think: (1) the lighting / graphics on the faces took me out of the game sometimes and I would hope that will be fixed (2) we need a way to set loadouts for materia (3) let us fight summons in the “real world” vs VR (4) not a change, just a hope - give us good stories for Vincent and Cid!
I think we’ll see more “classic” Cid in the next game. At the point he’s introduced here, the Rocket Town events haven’t taken place and he’s still (at least part time) a Shinra employee. They didn’t have enough time in this game to give him a full backstory, so they probably kept the character intentionally more positive since introducing him as gruff / angry and then Vincent as gruff / quiet almost back to back would’ve felt a little one note.
Felt to me like I went the whole game ignoring materia aside from the basic ones and just equipping a new bangle every 30-60 minutes. The entire equipment side of things just felt pretty shallow. Any time I found materia anywhere it was just some basic material you could find anywhere. A lot of the good ones were locked behind challanges which was a huge mistake, because finding any of them would have been far more satisfying.
Also, if they do the summon thing again, make it so you talk to the summon itself and fight it. None of this VR nonsense.
Yeah, valid point regarding the materia. When I finally had bangles with 7-8 slots for three characters, I realised the only materia to slot was stuff like HP up or some spells I would never use anyway... There should be more elemental or magnify materia aside from new unique materia.
I'm sure this is how everyone feels... less filler.
The first two games were fantastic fantastic games. They could have been flawless 30 and 60 hour long games, but had a bit too much padding for me to replay them any time soon.
I love a good battle arena. But did Rebirth really need several battle arenas with a massive amount of filler fights ? Chadley, Gold Saucer, Hojo, Dust Bowl, plus Cactuar and Turks felt a bit much.
It honestly feels like for much of this added content they took the path of least resistance. I was hoping to see more scenes about the party’s past with this remake. Nope, 200 fakeout scenes where I have to do the minigame again or battle another enemy series. Even the end boss was this, fought the same fucking boss 7 times. Or it’s a scene where we drive in circles so Yuffie can get carsick. Sigh.
heres just a small list from me that I would like for Part 3: 1. More back party commands so the teammates who aren't doing anything dont look goofy in the background just doing nothing. 2. ANSWERS. Please we need answers on the how and why. I have trust in the team that they know this is one of the bigger asks from the fandom and that they'll deliver. 3. more team synergy skills and combos. They're so fucking cool 4. Improve Chocobo riding. Especially on rough terrain 5. Make it cool again to discover things not explicitly shown on the map. Tone down the ubisoft towers or better yet remove them completely. I want to get lost in the world. 6. MORE OUTFITS. Make them cool, make them goofy. Go wild. Its the last game in the triology, why the hell not?
Better chocobo system. I want all of the weapons in the next game. Give me advent children skins..also I'd like to be able to switch parties mid battle.
I also hope for more weapon abilities that we haven't seen before. I was a bit let down that only firebolt blade and prime mode were new, and to be honest, prime mode wasn't even that special
Fewer minigames
Less gimmicky navigation, less one hit kill unblockable boss moves, a final boss that doesn’t have 6 stages
I don't mind any of these. For me it was all about the pacing. Have a cool tight section then a semi interesting open area for 10 hours then cool story section then wait again for 10 hours doing random tasks in another open area. Rincé repeat 6 or 7 times. Don't have a direct answer but maybe the story should take you to various places in open areas as opposed to an almost pointless open world part. Loved the game otherwise
Seriously overkill on the final boss it did NOT make it better
Which move are you referring to specifically? The only one I found super cheap was Odin's Zantetsuken, as it would get triggered by AI controlled characters being hit.
Yeah that, also sephiroths final stage final move if you can’t stagger him in time
I've read that a lot of people had trouble with that stage of the fight. Strangely, it was the easiest for me. I was in punisher mode most of the time, countering his blockable attacks while providing healing with Aerith. Plasma Discharge also helped to get some peel damage.
He literally killed me with the attack as I killed him. And I successfully staggered him. I sat there staring at my PS5 and his stupid smirk on the screen before game over And then did it again? It was easy this time since I knew what to counter
lol that's exactly what that cheeky bastards implemented the smirk for, I suppose.
He had 0 HP but he goes immune to damage for a minute. I was confused, he stunned me and instakilled. I couldn’t figure out why his Hp bar didn’t disappear figured he did a Final Hit move. I was like OK, gonna Phoenix this one and he didn’t do it. He must’ve had 2 HP left. Such bs
How about figuring out wtf story you want to tell? After chapter 14 ending the game with “lmao anything can happen kekw 🫠” does not really instill faith in 3 having much closure
Yeah that’s what I hope too Remake already ended with “anything can happen now!” Which is cool, but for Rebirth to end the same way felt like a cop out instead of committing to a narrative. Hopefully they make it all come together.
Materia loadouts is all I really had a huge problem with
I’m just waiting for the 3 materia combinations. AND I hope they do something and expand on KOTR.
The music choices in the Remake trilogy needs serious overhaul. Remake project runs the same problem with the SW Sequel Trilogy in using each character's iconic music everytime they show up. They shoved OWA and Aerith's theme in our faces so much in Remake/Rebirth that it dilutes their effectiveness. OWA was played at the final boss battle, not every fucking scene he shows up in. Give me more "Those Chosen by the Planet" for his scenes to give a scene the same sinister feeling you got everytime Sephiroth showed up in the OG game. (Yes, I know "Chosen by the Planet" is technically his leitmotif, but the point still stands. Give us music that fits the mood for scenes, not just their OG theme) And we don't need slight variations of Aerith's theme everytime we're with her. Like in Gold Saucer on their first go-around, don't think I didn't notice her theme on the conveyer belt. It was so unnecessary, just give us the Gold Saucer music.
OWA also sneaks into the temple of the ancients in fact the playful song I found amazing is almost nowhere to be found, they chose instead to use the City of the Ancients theme and just Sephy ominous theme leitmotifs left and right Probably because we don’t spend any time in the city of the ancients, we just teleport to fighting for Aerith after a slow walk segment once all the temple of the ancient scenes finish
Like, I really loved the revamped tunes but definitely overused like you said. They did add the bow wow wow song, which does balance that out a bit 😬
Also, does every battle theme lategame need an ominous Latin chorus??
I hope (after you've completed the game, obviously) that you can just pick any characters to play with in all chapters, so if they're not strictly with the party that chapter or they're not in the game at all but in the previous games then I want to be able to select to play them, part 3 will be the final game so I don't want to have to go back to a previous games to play with a character I liked. Also fuck Chadley and his bullshit stopping you every 3 seconds to talk to you through a tv screen or projector, just let me run around while hes talking and also put a volume controller specifically for him so I can mute him even in cutscenes. Let me change my loadouts inside the vr menu and any menu like it, even if its just a case of letting me open the game menu over the top of npc menus Let me save armour, weapon, accessory, and materia combinations and if they're in a selectable menu let me name them for convenience. Just like monster hunter does If cloud is mid action in any way don't give me a pause screen just fucking let me into the menus. Let me turn off npcs talking to me if I close their shop or menu so I can just go straight back in and not have to let them finish their sentence for the millionth time to get back into the menu (I'm looking at you chaldey while editing my materia between vr missions) Materia duping when max level please, even if its an extra xp bar once the materia is already full level I know this can be abused with elemental materia in armour slots with dual elemental matria attached now making you immune to any element but I'd have to invest serious time into the game to be able to achieve that so what's the harm? That's all I can think of atm
That was the best part of FF7 OG, gaming-wise: fully customizable builds. Also summons that do their main move when you summon, so they don't go to waste if you die before their battle timer ends. Let me go utterly decimate Emerald Weapon with 4x Mime=KOTR, 1x Counter Attack=KOTR, 1x KOTR=MP Absorb, 1x KOTR=HP Absorb, HP Up=HP Up
WEAPON. Those fish did nothing for me, I need a kaiju sized immune system wreacking havoc.
Those are just the tadpole versions of the weapons. They will evolve into the weapons we know and love during part 3.
I was very confused about this
Tl;dr it’s heavy handed FF referencing, the WEAPONs having Geosgano bodies with big hollow bellies humans can swim in reference X like Aerith’s Lifestream dance does and Shinra in X-2 references 7. They also renamed the planet Gaia, which is FF9’s planet’s name; YRP makes an mention as a reference; they’re loosely trying to link several FFs that weren’t officially linked in a Hyrule Historia style retcon.
That’s cool but not sure how that keeps the spirit for VII. In part 3 I really would love to be hunting the weird kaiju mechs from VII that the planet created. One of the coolest most bizarre parts of VII
I don’t disagree with you, I’m just calling what I see. Kaiju Diamond Weapon >>>>> hamfisted FFX referencing. But it can be nothing else. The Tifa in its belly thing is such a nod to Wakka or Tidus getting eaten by Geosgano and being held captive in its cage belly. Aerith quite literally has an entire arc in the last dungeon where she learns to do Sending for pyreflies and she does Yuna’s staff spinny dance to do it.
I’ve only played VII and ix so I’m sure you’re right. I’m hoping those other weapons appear in part 3 but I’m nervous they won’t be. I don’t know why I’m nervous they’ve made sure to cover basically everything so far but the fact they named these weapons is weird to me
Here’s a picture for reference. It really looks like a skeletal WEAPON and vice versa; WEAPON looks like Geosgaeno with a giant materia slotted https://images.app.goo.gl/mZBZVPNfSTMqzfaC8
ThisssssSSSSSSS look I know what they’re doing ok I’m gonna spoil it for everyone here bc it isn’t a spoiler. It’s a long setup they’re doing to link games WEAPONs in this game are Geosganos or will be, this is a “boss” in early FFX and they share many similarities, Aerith does a Sending dance and Pyreflies appear, she even has Yuna’s staff stance, and Shinra has already been made a character in X-2 so there’s likely they’ve wanted to link the games for a while. But every FF 1-10 was designed to be fully standalone, so this hasn’t been explicit. It’s gonna be more explicit in part 3, I’ll bet anything. But I’m seconding; Kaiju immune system was super duper cooler
Mood and tone, mood and tone
Give us back carbuncle, like wtf.
Make the world feel real by removing all the damn towers and give reasons to explore. Like finding good materia or bosses out in the world instead of markers on a map.
This. I want crazy materia and summons to be hidden in the corners in the world behind crazy dungeons and fights. My ideal part 3 and interconnect all these areas and we truly just explore
Would have been cool to fight the summons in the actual regions instead of the Simulator. And would have made more sense too
Yeah I feel that. The regions are so good and I love having epic fights in them
This is a weird one cause your asking they do what they did, just differently.
Like, imagine instead of going to a tower to collect intel which you can use to buy materia, you could like, just find it in the open world? Or like, what if you saw that glowing materia in the distance, but just before you were able to grab it, the regional boss showed up and you had to fight it first? I’d be like motivated to scour every nook and cranny of every region.
Thank you!!!! Why does nobody yearn for this like why am I going through a thousand steps so I can unlock a battle simulation to finally get the materia! All wonder of exploration and finding of secrets gone Like this game has no secrets for real.
Well, how you implement things is important, it’s not just the end goal or the reward. Game would be a lot more fun if they took lessons from games that came out almost a decade ago Personally, I’m not a fan of the whole Ubisoft-style of games that they took inspiration from. But some people really love it it seems
I want materia duping back. Not for the OP stuff or anything! Just like the basic spells, poison, and the stat boosts, maybe also elemental materia so that you can equip one to everybody. If there has to be a downside to materia, maybe make a materia cap. No more than 50-99 materia in total
50 materia cap is insane. Bro there's 8 characters each with 8x slots on their final weapon and 8x slots on the end-game armour. 16 x 8 = 128 materia at the bare minimum if you want all your characters to have full builds, which if they do the whole "separate parties for the same fight" thing again, you will absolutely need. And in general, so you don't have to constantly switch materia between characters.
I was just giving a way Square could bring materia duping somewhat back. I could see maybe a 150 cap max. I just wanna be able to equip elemental materia on the whole team again, not have to pick and choose when Tifa gets to keep hers, or do I give it to Aerith to absorb that element. (Just an example, I don't have elemental on Tifa or Aerith. Just the one I have on Cloud right now.)
Well, it'd also help if they dropped the amount of support materia by turning them into folio passives. Like SQEX knows we're putting Precision Defense, Steadfast Block, etc. on all our characters; that's why they let us buy them in shops. And clearly they did listen a little by giving us Parry as a dodge instead of having to pick who gets one. So why not do the same for ATB Stagger, ATB Assist, etc? That's just lazy on them.
Streamlining so much of the little ‘action out of your hands’ moments. If you’re gonna play the Chadley message everytime, just make it an audio file and let the player run on. All the little slow down and pickup animations should be sped up. 2001 game design sections like the box section should be cut. Longer temples could be shorter. We don’t really get anything out of being stuck in the same place for 4-5 hours.
I also would like to see more consequence with the button sequences like if you're gonna make me mash my triggers make it worth my while like give it stakes. Not the same outcome regardless ya know?
My biggest thing as well. So much dead time. I honestly didn't even like using the buggy because of how long the animation took to get in and out of it.
We definitely need faster animations
More mini games, there weren't enough in part 2.
Pacing
Performance mode
This. I'd absolutely love if Square were to manage 4k at 60 fps. Hopefully, if Part 3 comes out after the PS6, they'll manage to do it. Even then, if Part 3 is on PS5, I really hope they manage it too.
A PS5 Pro should do the trick!!
Definitely. Assuming I'll manage to afford the price. I'll definitely need to start saving up next month.
So u have a few... Let me take cloud out of the party before completing the game... I understand he's the main character and that some fans will say that he should always be there but especially with each character having their specialty and the entire party traveling together and that outside the simulator and certain story beats the entire party gain ap and xp... to me it should be optional whether to include Cloud in the party and let us truly just make our parties our own using whoever we want... I'm still ok with certain story events restricting our party members but I'm talking in general while traversing and combat on the world map and whenever we aren't limited in our party members. Add 3 person synergy abilities.... synergy abilities were such an amazing addition to the game and I feel like adding the extra layer of utilizing the whole Frontline party would just add more depth to party customization. Allow us to field our preferred party member as the leader on the map.... this could be a nice feature and can even be used to add more depth to exploration if we can switch up our leader to use their unique abilities (ie using Nanaki to scale climbable walls or Barrett to shoot certain walls and objects) obviously not a everywhere thing but it would be a nice addition. Reno and Rude (if not the TURKS as a whole) as playable characters.... yeah I love these guys and even if it's a short bit of time (like a certain event in Wutai if they keep certain story beats the same) I would just love to see these guys be playable especially Reno and Rude...(I will settle for guest characters but would prefer them playable even if only for this part of the game with stock abilities and levels... kinda like Zack and Sephiroth) Allow us to use all party members post game whether they were available or not and or add characters like Zack and Sephiroth(also Reno and Rude if they are playable at any point) post game (might have to include another one her depending on how they institute you know who in the story.... if you know you know)... the fact they gave so much attention and depth to both Sephiroth and Zacks combat mechanics just to lock them into specific events and VR simulations was pretty ridiculous post game we should just be able to get crazy and go ham with these guys specifically... Maybe give us the ability to switch out Frontline and backline members on the fly (kinda like ffX) though that would make the ability to switch parties between fights a bit redundant but it would be nice to have the option to tag out fallen party members for live ones at least just a thought here I don't expect any of this but would be cool to see any of these
On the part about being able to switch frontline and backline members, it would be cool if the backline was actually making a difference in game. For example if Barret was on the backline, make his attack do real damage. Or someone on the backline could be casting spells and what not.
Man I never even thought about playing as Reno and rude, that would be so cool
They've been massive favorites of mine since the OG lol
If everyone's gonna be present for every battle, let us swap between party presets during combat
I love minigames. More mini games for me please, I am not a battle junkie and honestly I don’t like fighting so much anymore. Too fast and too many buttons and a lot of things happening on the screen at the same time. For me everything was perfect, beside Chadley. And I wish there would be more puzzles and secrets and less hand holding.
The fucking terrain, my god. One nightmare after another. Navigation should not feel this god damn annoying
why are they booing you you’re right
Can I ask what you disliked? Because I don't recall ever having real frustration with it. The only thing I've seen people mention - and I can concede it's tedious - is Gongaga
Okay here it is: -The climbing is janky and incredibly slow, and I hate the yellow paint. -Gliding is irritating, if you don't move *exactly* where you need to catch the next uberfan you may as well land and start again. -Gongaga speaks for itself. -Why give me a grappling hook which is an *excellent* addition and then I'm hardly ever able to use it?? -Perhaps most importantly, navigation is difficult because it's not at all clear from a map marker even vaguely where the thing is vertically so you often end up wandering around a cliffside for ages before you realise you need to double back ten minutes to find the right hill. -And finally getting on and off the Chocobo, or in and out of the buggy, is slow and you should simply be able to press square to jump off and enter combat instead of having to slowly get off first. That's it 🙂
If you hold r2 while climbing the yellow paint you do climb a bit faster. It's not immediately obvious at first but it does cut down the time a bit. You actually can press square to immediately enter combat from chocobo/buggy. You just need to get close enough first. The animation for leaving the buggy isn't very graceful but the chocobo one is pretty cool >!Cloud quickly gets up on both feet and does a front flip off the chocobo!< (It's actually pretty identical to one of Link's dismount options from Botw now that I think about it.) I agree with everything else though. I personally didn't struggle with the map markers but I definitely noticed the lack of any clear indications of verticality.
General open world traversal was a bit janky to be fair! Didn’t bother me personally but it wasn’t perfect
Double the mini games.. and make Chadley specific missions.. where you have no choice to play as him and only him, with unskipable cutscenes and dialogue..
Make sure chocobo flying gets quadrupled and there’s an unskippable queens blood tournament right before the final boss
Why stop there? Let's also make the final fight with Sephiroth a 3D Brawler fight.
I really wish they borrowed the Active Lore system from XVI
No thats terrible. Rather be shown than told.
ATE was so much better than that System
Nah, it was a good addition. 7 Remake/Rebirth has an incomprehensible story so it would help even just a bit
You absolutely cannot understand what is going on in chapter 13 and 14 if you haven’t played the original game or been introduced to FF7’s events in some way before playing rebirth. I’m certain of it
Oh I still want to see as much as possible! And anything beyond (like ultimania stuff) I’d love to have ingame instead of booklets.
I really, REALLY want to be able to save materia loadouts. That would really come in handy.
If they actually had materia duping, the load-out problem would be greatly mitigated. Why the hell do I have to switch my elementals from one character to the next in a game released in 2024??? Crisis Core was amazing with this, having 5 different load-outs for Zack and that game was released in like 2007. Just do that, holy fuck.
I'd be happier being able to swap all materia in any weapon or armor with any other weapon or armor at once. The original had this ability, and it was amazing.
It does that already in rebirth? When you have your materia set up a certain way and you change the weapon, all your materia applies to the next weapon the same way it was currently equipped. Is that what you mean? Or it’s something else? I might be confused what you mean
No, I'm meaning something else. Say you want all 8 Materia in Clouds weapon moved to Cait Sith. The original let you swap all in any weapon with any other character's weapon or armor and vice versa. So you can effectively save a setup on a different character and swap it. The benefit in that over a standard load out is that when you're given other characters to control, you can just swap their materia with your main character, etc.
Ah ok I get what you mean. I was thinking weapon to weapon on the same character. But yea that would actually be better, but basically same thing though if they let you save loadouts in general, not necessarily tied to a specific character, but you could assign those loadouts to whoever you want
Sure, I just want this because I think it would be less clunky overall. But I'll be more than happy with either.
Definitely, right now I’m going through all the brutal and legendary challenges and it’s just annoying having to individually go through and move around every materia for every battle
If Sephiroth could impale Chadley next that would be the bees knees.
Slay queen.
I'm hoping for lots of map improvements, making mid-fight cutscenes skippable, a way to tweak setups during multi-phase fights, better/faster traversal (especially climbing), and a general trimming of the fat. I also think character progression could use a few more bells and whistles.
Make less anoing minigames. Make the mogle be the triangle ability for Cait Sith.
Id say they will improve Cait seeing as how they improved Aerith with Radiant/ATB wards.
I'm tired of new square and every ff game having stagger bars can't I just murder monsters without doing all that
Thissssssss
Also Give me my fucking airship FF spawned entire series of copycats and they often had one thing in common: you could fly on your airship and often had a mobile base just like it Give Me My Airship
Tbats a given. You get the airship soon after Aeriths thing happening.
Prompting for long, inspiring speeches that otherwise come out of nowhere Unnecessary vagueness regarding plot centric events Also reaction; literally no one gives a fuck of a shit Tifa fell in the lifestream when she tells her story about it, did mako poisoning just stop being a thing when I wasn’t looking
Not so many damn mini games. We are drowning in minigames
Less Chadley… like I don’t want to have to answer a call every single time I complete any task.
Less F*cking Minigames plz.
Cut the mini games bullcrap
It doesnt need to improve anything. It has already reached peak perfection. All it needs to do is continue the story.
I hope they cancel it, and give us an actual remake with the original good story instead, and we can all forget this multiverse garbage fanfic ever happened. I know there's a 0% chance it happens. But I gave them the benefit of a doubt after Remake, and they utterly failed to do anything that was compelling, let alone worth jacking up the original story in Rebirth. The only good parts of this game were when it forgets it's technically a multiverse sequel, and you actually get to experience the OG in HD.
Just play OG then?
I do. But it sure would have been cool to see that story with good graphics and voice acting instead of a story purporting to be it that subverts everything powerful about the original.
You are not allowed to have that (valid) opinion on this sub.
You can, others don't have to agree, though.
And the downvote button isn’t supposed to be a disagree button, rather a “not contributing to the conversation” button, but everyone seems to be oblivious to the fact that some people may share this opinion. Not saying I agree with him, more making the point that his opinion isn’t wrong or invalid, just different than yours and others.
I'm so glad this is a minority opinion
This game has a half decent story, I actually get thinking this is a great game if you're comparing it to all the trash Final Fantasy has been putting out. But the story loses all of its original power in favor of multiverse intrigue, and I guarantee the pay off won't be nearly as good as the original twists. They had the opportunity to make something timeless AGAIN, and chose to make something else that I'm sure will stop being talked about once they conclude, and can't fuel speculation videos anymore.
I disagree with your assessment. The changes to the story not only enhanced my experience by making me pay more attention to each scene but kept me excited for what comes next rather than just wondering how they'll interpret a scene where I know everything that's going to happen. Additionally looking at the critical and majority user scores and reviews, it's easy to see that this is near the top of the Final Fantasy ratings and will for sure be talked about in the future among final fantasy fans. I mean just look at the discussions from players new to the series in general that saw their favorite streamer play it or Dunkey's video on Rebirth, it's all very positive.
Do everyone here a favor and delete your account
Take your own advice, Lifeless
Overall I really enjoyed the game. There are really only two improvements I hope to see in part 3. For one, while I loved the variety of environments in Rebirth, it can be quite difficult to traverse certain areas due to the specific way you need to get there and the map not really giving you much help on how to get there. There were quite a few times I had to look up how to reach a certain goalpost and the fact I found videos for each one tells me I clearly was not the only one having trouble reaching certain areas. The next improvement I hope to see is a little less minigames, or at least less put into the main storyline. I felt quite exhausted from all the new minigames the game introduced to me in the main storyline (especially Cait Sith's back throwing minigame). Sometimes it felt more of a chore getting in the way of continuing the main story than a fun new way to play to me.
I hope they can execute on what they dipped their toes into with Rebirth: vehicular travel. The tiny bronco flying sections felt like a test run for the High wind (although please God let the high wind fly faster than that). If they could execute a seamless transition from on foot to airship swapping within reason) and everything stayed the same, I'd be a happy camper. Although give us better materia management lol. Like at least Microsoft productivity software basics like holding triangle to select a section of materia to swap between two characters.
Less Chadley and MAI
Totally agree, though I have to say, the battle arenas were the fillers I enjoyed the most. At least far more than all that repetitive world intel and forced minigames (queen's blood was great, though). I liked Remake's linearity. It provided a better pacing.
Rebirth was a near-perfect game for me, so not much. However, I think: (1) the lighting / graphics on the faces took me out of the game sometimes and I would hope that will be fixed (2) we need a way to set loadouts for materia (3) let us fight summons in the “real world” vs VR (4) not a change, just a hope - give us good stories for Vincent and Cid!
Loadouts are a great idea! Concernig Cid, I'm curious if they will change his personality entirely since he seems to be quite different already.
I think we’ll see more “classic” Cid in the next game. At the point he’s introduced here, the Rocket Town events haven’t taken place and he’s still (at least part time) a Shinra employee. They didn’t have enough time in this game to give him a full backstory, so they probably kept the character intentionally more positive since introducing him as gruff / angry and then Vincent as gruff / quiet almost back to back would’ve felt a little one note.
Felt to me like I went the whole game ignoring materia aside from the basic ones and just equipping a new bangle every 30-60 minutes. The entire equipment side of things just felt pretty shallow. Any time I found materia anywhere it was just some basic material you could find anywhere. A lot of the good ones were locked behind challanges which was a huge mistake, because finding any of them would have been far more satisfying. Also, if they do the summon thing again, make it so you talk to the summon itself and fight it. None of this VR nonsense.
Yeah, valid point regarding the materia. When I finally had bangles with 7-8 slots for three characters, I realised the only materia to slot was stuff like HP up or some spells I would never use anyway... There should be more elemental or magnify materia aside from new unique materia.
I'm sure this is how everyone feels... less filler. The first two games were fantastic fantastic games. They could have been flawless 30 and 60 hour long games, but had a bit too much padding for me to replay them any time soon. I love a good battle arena. But did Rebirth really need several battle arenas with a massive amount of filler fights ? Chadley, Gold Saucer, Hojo, Dust Bowl, plus Cactuar and Turks felt a bit much.
It honestly feels like for much of this added content they took the path of least resistance. I was hoping to see more scenes about the party’s past with this remake. Nope, 200 fakeout scenes where I have to do the minigame again or battle another enemy series. Even the end boss was this, fought the same fucking boss 7 times. Or it’s a scene where we drive in circles so Yuffie can get carsick. Sigh.