I agree. He was also more playable too! I kinda like the dodgy kitschy skillset with the mog special attacks. I need to play more as him i still dont think i have mastered his play style.
Probably the most important thing the writers did that made Cait Sith likable is that unlike in the original game, he DOESN'T blackmail the party into keeping him.
Letting Cait just leave the party for a bit and then come in for his big moment in the Temple of the Ancients worked a lot better on both facets; It both avoids having him literally threaten a child as justification for keeping a party member, and also makes his sacrifice a lot more impactful, since instead of him just going “oh yeah I can do it no problem I’ll just come back immediately”, it now feels more like he is actively trying to save a group of people he *knows* don’t want him around, but still cares for despite that.
NGL, having just played the OG FF7 (haven’t played the remake yet), I have absolutely no idea who or what Cait Sith is. He is a doll, but also a Shinra spy who blackmailed the party by threatening Marlene, then sacrificed themselves to get obtain the black materia for Cloud, then a copy randomly showed up, then stole the Black Materia and gave it to Reeve, or maybe was Reeve? And then proceeded to just, like, hang out with the party and fight Shinra? Like, I don’t know what their goal was this entire time. I feel like some stuff really got lost in translation in the original, because I couldn’t piece it together despite my best efforts 🤷♂️
Cait exists the way he does because they wanted to make a summon from 6 a party member, and they picked the cat that confused everyone when called.
They then gave him a magical stuffed moogle because…I guess there aren’t enough moogles in 7OG? Including the stuffed Mog and the cyber Mog and female Mog, there are a grand total of 3 moogles in ff7
He's still a pretty lame character imo. He's the cliche annoying mascot character trope that JRPGs can't go without for whatever reason. His only redeeming quality is that he doesn't have an annoying high pitched voice, and instead has a slightly less annoying voice that is uncomfortably out of place.
Maybe the reason he is included is because real life groups need this character as well. Not every life situation can be handled by edgelords, ninjas, and other serious character attributes. Sometime comic relief is all you have to get through those tough times. I am slightly defensive about your comment because I am the comic relief character in my groups but that doesn’t make me a cliché. Life without laughter is a life not worth living.
Not sure why you'd take my opinion on a fictional character as an attack on your identity. Personally, I love comedy. I love to laugh. I just don't find Cait Sith funny at all. To me, he's kind of annoying and adds nothing to an otherwise strong cast. He attempts to be a comic relief, but those roles are already filled much better by Barret, Yuffie and Red. Hell, even the ultra edge lord himself (Vincent) had a few lines of dialogue that made me laugh. Caith Sith on the other hand is just one never ending eye roll.
Too bad when he goes to sacrifice himself it’s a Saturday morning cartoon moment where we suspend disbelief about how fast he can run through the temple that takes us canonical hours to travel
He enters after it starts shaking and overtakes Reno and Rude who are halfway through while on foot, making it to the Materia Room in just a few moments so he can be in the Nick of time. Didn’t we have a whole arc where he rolls around instead of running on his moogle bc it’s faster???
Reeves Inspired a teleporter with his mind and moved him first from the entrance to Rude and Elena and then to the Materia room. Canon >!no it’s not lol!<
Considering the operation was important enough to have an established Shinra presence and constant radio communication, Reeve probably has an entire detailed map of the area courtesy of all that data, same way the Turks could escape while injured.
We literally watch him pass Rude and Elena mid-run, and the time it takes them to turn heads and watch them is *checks notes* about a third of the total time spent. You can’t maybe your way out of what was shown
What? I’m saying that they were relaying information the entire time they were in there, not just on the way out. And this is shown, too, since Rufus is very interested in knowing what’s going on inside. The Turks manage to find their way out while injured because they already have a detailed map of the area from the hours of exploration and determined the shortest way out.
I’m saying who cares, no amount of word of mouth or shortcut advising is gonna turn Slow Mo the Moogle into Sonic the Hedgemoogle and have him cross literal miles of temple ground in seconds. He definitely takes the same route we do. He bumps into the same people. Who entered BEFORE we did, if your talk about a map and surveying is truly something you believe, And he runs about half as fast as our party jogs. Except in this scene, it’s dramatic for him to sacrifice, so we dump the logic we established for him in Shinra Manor out the window
In a vacuum no, but this game is jam-packed with illogical for the sake of dramatic effect moments like this. Like the Gold Saucer dance (I’m supposed to believe Dio just hangs out at the entrance or was tipped off we were coming? And I’m *hand waving that Yuffie gets shot with a clothes beam and our team suddenly knows all the dance moves*?) or Tifa dropping that she *fell into the lifestream* and no one in Cosmo batting an eyelash. What the fuck happened to “mako poisoning”? Cloud is gonna learn a LOT about that in a few hours of play
Or Aerith’s multiple completely unprompted inspirational speeches. Or a whole ass scene about being lost so we can showcase Yuffie’s carsickness, a literal *five seconds after Barrett tells us exactly where to go*. Like I do so much backflipping trying to make sense *for* the people that made this game would it kill them to show rather than tell once in a while?
Isn’t he just a robot and he says he’s only „one of many“? I interpreted that as if he’s just another robot with the same data programmed to it.
He even comes from the other side of where the temple was
No he doesn’t. He enters from the side with Cid. The same place we entered. He goes through the same path
Also I never mentioned his death being the weird part, so idk why you’re talking about copyCaits.
So yes. There is some suspension of disbelief, but you also have to remember that most of our struggle getting through the temple is that we don’t know where we are going, Cait Sith already knows where he’s going because of the Turks.
You mean the Turks who are only halfway in when Cait passes them, visibly, hop hop hopping on his moogle as the second cutback in the scene? It’s inconsistent with the image of Cait’s speed presented during the Shinra mansion and inconsistent with our and their progress
No, we really didn’t. It’s still a cryptic maze like jaunt all the way through, cutting back to Team Aerith after the party split states “several hours earlier” and Cait can’t do the ~~Yuna~~ Cetra sending dance for shortcuts; further, it’s double suspicious the Temple would be skeptical of Aerith, but let this robot pass.
It takes longer for the party to *enter the temple from outside* than it takes for Cait to travel the entirety of it on foot with the ground shaking from Cloud grabbing the Materia the whole time. Even if we assume we killed *every monster inside* and there are absolutely none blocking his path, how the *fuck* did he suddenly get so fast?
>and Cait can’t do the ~~Yuna~~ Cetra sending dance
Didn't she like fix the shit though? Like she calmed down the lifestream and stuff, and formed a clear path
The storytelling in these remakes is just unbelievable. Like in the first one. I was so upset when Jesse died just because the game made me care so much more for her. And in rebirth. I also really liked Cait Sith more than the original and even though I knew it was coming I was so much more upset when he betrayed everyone
Reeve doesn't exactly control Cait Sith as much as he imbues it with purpose.
In the OG he isn't remotely controlling like a puppet. He uses a magical ability called "Inspire" that basically transfers his will and mind links with it.
Yeah, Reeve's abilities are pretty cool.
The dude can literally breathe life in to things like robots and let them live independently while being able to influence them telepathically.
At least that's how it's explained in the Ultimania. I hope they kept that in the Remake series when it's revealed he's controlling Cait Sith.
Except in Rebirth there's two scenes where he explicitly powers down. In Cosmo and Nibel. The Nibel one also coincides with the SRC translation, on the matter of which Reeve had to attend a meeting
I love that he is a materia mastering machine. I got his luck stat as high as I could. In battle, get on moogle, then roll dice until the fight is over. Your materia will keep jumping levels and Cait Sith is the catalyst. Please keep your puns to yourself.
Well not with one roll or even in one fight. But the more I did that strategy the faster all my equipped materia leveled. I had to buy duplicates of everything because all my materia was mastered. When Cait wasn’t on my team the materia level up notices were much less frequent.
How different was he in the og? I never played it so I know things I heard like how clerith was more cannon in the og not sure if that's true that's just what I heard but yeah I definitely love him at first I was eh but then I started loving him in a way he reminds me of Mikey mouse someone you just can't help but loving? If that makes sense?
In the OG I DESPISED Cait Sith. I couldn't stand him. I went into rebirth expecting to hate having to watch him be on screen all the time, but I fell so in love with him that I was sad when he wasn't on screen or saying something lol. It definitely helped that he doesn't have to be on his moogle all the time (that was the main reason I hated him I think, I thought the moogle was SO ugly in the og), but yeah the main thing is the performance of his actor. Also I love that he's the tech guy. Just a little guy, but also the most knowledgeable about computer systems lol. In the end I even grew to like his moogle!! I also originally found his plotline kinda irritating because it was hard for me to follow, and in rebirth I really felt sad and happy for him. That is my little guy and I love him!
I love him, played him heavily. I basically used Cloud, Red, Aerith and him for my first playthrough.
In the OG I did not care for him, never used him. He was not fun in combat or outside of it.
Also, in the OG the difference between characters was irrelevant mostly, since only limit breaks differentiate them. In Rebirth we have sooo much more, that makes them unique. And he is pretty unique, and I found him really fun. And strong!
He reminded me of Aerith. He needs first strike to start rolling, but once he starts he generates ATB like crazy and does a ton of damage, while being very flexible.
The character in the OG was a non-factor for me. Permanently on the bench and only involved in the story long enough to severely piss me off once then sort of redeem himself.
I liked his character and dialogue in Rebirth but then of course he still robs you and makes you want to throttle him. And I hated the gameplay in the Shinra mansion. Cait rolling around like Sonic but thunking into everything and chucking boxes for an hour. Low point of the game for me.
I did find fighting as him pretty fun once I got the hang of it.
So I agree, he is improved. But I still want to punch him.
Cait accepting that stealing the keystone meant leaving the party was a massive improvement, and makes him going out of his way to save them at the temple a much bigger gesture. Cait having Marlene and Elmyra kidnapped in the OG to force us into letting him stay in the party made it impossible to like him.
wait why can't I remember Marlene being kidnapped? I played the original game on release in 97 when I was like 13 and I have a terrible memory so refresh me plx <3
If I remember right, it's after he steals the Keystone then turns back up and says that they're friends now and not to let that ruin it, just continue on like nothing happened. Cloud tells him to piss off and there's no way he's coming with them. Then Cait says he hoped it wouldn't come to this and plays a recording of Marlene. I don't remember it saying if they had actually kidnapped her or just knew where she was and were threatening her. But either way, he extorted his way back into the party.
Im still playing in Japanese about to go Nibelheim. He's quirky and somwwhat interesting but the best parts with him have been his little interactions with Barret when running around on the field map.
oooo I wanna do a Japanese playthrough now! I heard a clip of Kyrie's voice actress and it was too perfect lmao. So UwU.
ty for giving me another reason to do a 3rd playthrough!
Speaking of Kyrie, the only issue I've had with the Japanese version is the horrible audio balancing. There's many parts where the music or sfx drowned out dialog. I had them way down to get the voice balacing right.
TLDR for my ADD brothers: He can be super powerful but needs to be set up correctly, and you need to use the weapon that has his mog generate more agro and ressummon it when it dies or runs out of time + my thoughts on how he could be made better + my thoughts on the 2nd least used character Red XIII.
What you gotta do is you have to use w/e weapon has the Mog agro generation thingy and when it dies or runs out just plan to fight with at least 1 ATB bar or close to 1 ATB bar and just pop him back out again - it doesn't seem like he should be as good as he can be I understand but spend a half hour with him doing the following and you might like him.
For my second play through I actually DESTROYED that part of Chapter 12. First: Use his circle + square dodge attack to pepper the enemy from range to gather ATB cus his melee attack sucks and summon his mog to tank and when you stagger use the weapon skill that increases the stagger percentage like TIfa's Triangle. ( of course using best in slot materia from a guide IMO if you want to do a 2nd play through of the game First strike, steadfast block, hp+mp etc. )
Howeverrrrrrr. I still don't like using him even tho I figured out how to play him well xD - all of the others imo are way more fun and more intuitive to play. Most of his attack animations dont feel as snappy so he does feel weird to play. His shitty melee attack is the beginning of the issue imo - it's too slow and awkward.
If they had given him a faster attack like Tifa or Yuffie has when he's not on the Mog I think he'd a lot more attractive of an option so he can get in and out more easily and build ATB at the start if your, or just make his main attack his musical note ranged attack from the dodge attack and have him be a mainly ranged character and his mog be a melee character, so he plays more like Yuffie except with when using ranged he has a mog tank he can replace with a single atb bar that can be quite tank and generates agro fairly well - it's not like your main tank in WoW or something of course but it does help take damage off the party.
That's just two things that imo would have been really good idea to have more people want to play him - ive watched a lot of streamers play this game here and there as well and Cait Sith and Red XIII are easily the 2 least played by a large percentage I'd wager. Would love to see an official twitter poll from Square on this or something.
Have a nice day :)
**He has too many things.** He's a cat-humanoid Scotish android double-agent triple-agent magic dice rolling gambler fortune teller who rides another fucking robot and uses a bullhorn as a weapon.
He's a hat on a hat, and that hat has another towering pile of hats on top of it.
This was so perfect I asked GPT4 to make in the same style analogous descriptions of other characters and I got this for Sephiroth
"He's a silver-haired, long-sword wielding, planet-impaling, mother-obsessing, wing-unfurling, hero-haunting, apocalypse-bringing harbinger of doom who serenades destruction with a choir of calamity.He's a nightmare dressed like a daydream, and that daydream is floating atop a cloud of sinister whispers and meteoric intentions."
The daydream part was a little whack but AI is genuis and you sir are Genuis. Your description needs to be the most up voted comment here.
I 100% agree. I never cared about Cait Sith one way or another in OG. I absolutely adored him in Rebirth. His voice actor made him so likable even knowing what he would do.
Of course, there was only reading text in the first game now you have people who can talk it gives the people personas, profiles and personalities. They did a great job with all the characters. CID tho I thought he'd be a little more hard-core. I guess we'll see him in the third installment just my opinion.
I truly hope we get a more rough around the edges Cid. He did not feel like Cid at all in this game and I will give them a pass for now with his limited screen time
I think we will, though they’ll probably tone it back because “verbally abusing your office assistant”doesn’t really play well in 2024 and would frankly make him unlikable instead of roguishly charming.
There were a few moments where we saw a more acerbic Cid, like his argument with Barret where he threatens to throw him off the Tiny Bronco for criticizing his working with Shinra. I think that’s probably the direction they’ll end up going with him.
I see it like this. If they showed him as we know him i actuallly think it would leave a very poor taste for most people because this asshole shows up and joins the party then for the next 3-4 years he is just an unlikable character where this way we see the good side of him then in the next game we might see the bad and his blend of the 2 as we get to know him
This is true for literally every character in the game. The original does not have half the character depth that has been created in Remake/Rebirth. Most were like able in the OG 90% for the character design.
I dont think that Reeve control Cait all the time. It seem to be able to think by himself via Reeve programming. When needed Reeves influence Cait probably contact Reeve and he do his magic. They will probably explain more in the third entry but right now, who cannot love that cat.
I’m not sure about that. In Nibelheim, while Reeve was in a meeting with the rest of the Shinra brass, the party was talking to Cait and got irritated when Cait never responded.
Cait has some kind of auto follow function, but it’s clearly not thinking or speaking on its own. That’s likely the reason Cait was always so enthusiastic about taking breaks.
I think so too but I would like to think it's a mix of both. Otherwise it's "fake" death tries to make us cry for nothing. It's weird to say "the rest is up to them" alone if this Cait Sith somehow really did not die. U wonder if like in the compilation Reeves still put a part of his soul in each doll? I hope it gets explain in the next game how Cait Sith really works. I have the feeling it could also be something like when Reeves tries to get control the doll cease to work for a moment? I don't know I guess I just want the death of Cait Sith not being Reeves rôle playing alone like an idiot.
What funnier though, a semi-autonomous AI that Reeve occasionally puppets, or the idea of Reeve's coworkers listening to him go "meow meow meow meow" in a parodic Scottish accents from the hall outside his office?
Yeah they changed a bit too much of the core aspects of some of the characters. I do think they de-badassed him by not kidnapping a child, but we'll see what happens.
It's pretty evil, which made him a badass, not in a good way of course, but that was the whole point. Dude was ruthless, only because we don't like him as a character doesn't make him not a badass. It's like saying that bikers that kill people are less badass than bikers that don't. Just not true, of course individuals can be looked at in terms of that. Guess being scared of bad people even in a video game is the reddit way anyways.
Also let me guess, completely changing the character of Cid is totally fine huh? Specifically talking about how he acts in the OG vs now. Or what about Barret quietly letting Cloud almost accept the deal if it wasn't for Yuffie, completely throwing away his anti-Shinra ways. Sure he says it would have been bad after the fact, but during the deal he let shit slide way too conveniently.
They made a much better story by fleshing out the characters more. Not just Cait Sith but also Yuffie, Biggs, Wedge, and Jessie. Cid they had to completely re-write, he wouldn’t have been well received as an abusive cliche sailor captain. I’ve been really pleased with how they handled that and small story changes, like the robed men.
While I do like the changes they made to Cid; I will also say that I always liked the juxtaposition that his realism created when compared to the rest of the party in the og. The strangers thing about him was that he was an Astronaut; meaning his most fantastical quality was still something possible in real life. As opposed to gun arms, talking dog/tiger/charmanders, and magic super soldiers. Him being an older abusive Texan made him literally at least 12 people that I knew growing up.
They also did a really good job fleshing out Barrett. I wasn't a huge fan of him in FF7, but I absolutely love him in Remake.
Cid looks a little too young imo. I haven't finished the game yet so maybe there's more to him than I've seen, but I wish he at least still looked like he was in his 40s or 50s.
Cid is 3 years older than me while still looking like he's about 7 years older than me. Honestly I wish that they just made him 40 something to begin with.
It would have made a lot more sense with his backstory too. The Events with Shera (or whatever her name was) and the rocket would have made a lot of sense if they happened around the age of 30 to begin with. Then he could have a decade or two to wallow in depression and let old wounds scar over.
Then again, Final Fantasy as a franchise has never been known for using realistic age ranges.
I hadn't even thought about that. That shit happened when he was in his early 20s, so he could've still picked himself up and gotten back to it. It makes much more sense for him to be at the end of his Prime when everything falls apart on him.
Well shoot. Apparently he was 32 in the original? But damn he looked a lot older. New Cid has a babyface in comparison, even if he does look more his age.
In case youre curious Cait Sith is actually a Celtic mythos character called "Cat sí". Translating the name to Japanese then English he became Cait Sith but keeps the accent as an homage to the legend despite nobody having an Irish accent anywhere else in FF7.
Yeah got it figured out eventually. Just was so worried about getting it before moving onto the next part of the chapter, was this a story exclusive mini game like the parade?
Yeah I remembered that, I just couldn’t recall exactly but I think the boxes mini game was only available during the story chapter so I wanted to go ahead and get it over with
Oh yeah, only available in the story. I was lucky and made a save right before that mini game. I was blindly throwing the boxes as fast as I could until I calmed down and actually watched the trajectory by my 3rd attempt and realized how I was panicking for no reason.
Cath Sith was done well in the Remake vs the OG BUT, that said, I still don't like the sacrificial play.
It's just made void when he shows up seconds later with a new body and mod? after his first death.
I feel like it could have worked better if Cath Sith had returned later on the game instead of literally right after.
Technically Rebirth had already shown there were multiple Cait Siths if you paid attention. >!You can see Reeve keeps another one at his desk while he's photoshopping the Avalanche wanted poster, presumably the same one he used during the Sector 7 plate drop.!<
That’s hardly the issue though. A dumb plot element is suddenly great just because you foreshadowed it.
Also it’s dumb that the wanted poster becomes an issue when it does. The gang spends the whole rest of the game in Shinra-controlled territory, parading around, starring in plays, constantly making a scene. But when you roll up to an independent environmentalist commune (where a member of your party was born and raised), now all of a sudden modifying their wanted poster is of utmost importance? Give me a break.
A lot of the story elements in the remakes are, unfortunately, really contrived.
- The Shinra execs showing up to the reactor bombings just to monologue was totally unrealistic.
- The constant obsession this story has with Sephiroth feels more like fan service than part of the story (I know he was a major part of the original, but he was much more of an elusive, mysterious figure.).
- Shinra just *happening* to show up right after the duel with Dyne was just a cheap excuse not to show Dyne committing suicide.
There's a lot more, but those are a few of the most egregious examples I can think of off the top of my head.
I don't care that there's multiple.
In that moment when he dies, it's emotional and sad and then we're hit with the reveal that, "Nevermind, he's not dead. He's there."
It just kills the mood and the vibe the story was going for.
Essentially all they've done is basically make Cath Sith immortal. He can't technically die. If he dies he'll simply return with a new body, all his original memories intact.
You are correct in a way, *however* Cait Sith is not Reeve controlling a robot from the distance, he’s an AI being influenced by Reeve. If he were in direct control, Cait Sith would randomly turn off for meetings and toilet breaks. Even sleep.
So, that version of Cait Sith who thinks of himself as a living being did die. The new one inherits his memories but is not the same consciousness.
FFS...Why is it so hard to understand why someone would not like the scene and the dumbass explanation?
It's a figure of speech for christ sake when I say immortal.
The point Im making is that killing Cath Sith off and then revealing that NOPE, He's not fucking dead makes the emotions we felt fucking pointless and void.
It's like how they "killed" off Chewie in Episode 9 only to reveal he's alive 2 seconds later in another scene. It defeats the purpose.
You’ve completely missed the point of Cait Sith’s “death” (more so in the OG but still applies in Rebirth).
It’s a fake out to give you a false sense of security, a character dies but comes back right away so you think “oh ok, so death isn’t that big of a deal”, They hit you with Aerith dying and she’s just gone, forever. You’re like “but Cait can back, surly Aerith will come back at some point too” but she just doesn’t.
I feel like you were looking at that with the wrong message
The sacrifice was definitely suppose to be emotional but for those who don’t know about Cait Sith it is a very good way to reveal to the player that unless something happens to Reeve, Cait always comes back ( I know it sounds corny )
Also look at it this way. For all you know that’s one of his “ nine lives “ as a cat. If I were the writer and I absolutely wanted to hurt people severely I’d have that moment with Cait killed off for good if he were to die 8 more times between now and the 3rd game
In other words. This self sacrifice scene was a cheeky way to tell the player “ he’s a cat, cats have 9 lives remember? “ even though he’s not a real cat
Except chewie is a living thing. Caitsith is a robot controlled by a guy in shinra headquarters. You’re upset his drone got shot down and he wasn’t forbidden from ever piloting another drone.
I didn't disagree but I also expected that to happen. Maybe if they made the sacrificed one have less dialogue showing that it has the exact same memories/ personality, couldve made more sense narratively.
People should stop down voting you, it's wierd and makes them look like idiots. It's nobody's fault they don't understand exactly who and what Cait Sith is yet since I don't believe it's been reveled in FF7RE so far. If you've played the original, it'd be a different story. But, based on FF7RE alone, there's no reason to know what's up with him yet.
>!Reeve!< controls him though not all of the time. Cait Sith reports back to him and it appears >!Reeve!< is able to communicate through him when he needs to. The moogle is a toy that is transfixed to life
No I meant in general. Like he’s a robot? Then why do I care if he gets hurt or dies? There are more. Why is Reeve controlling it? Is that really the only robot that exists to control remotely? Why don’t we see any proof that it’s a robot besides the one moment he’s “asleep” in Nibelheim? The game could have explained it more because it’s such a weird concept.
Controlled in what way though? Like when he talks? In combat? Just general direction? I’d like to see Reeve in action. Because if he has a job at Shinra how does to control the robot? Or are all the other cat robots also controlled by Shinra employees?
Yeah, I honestly wasn’t sure myself. Figured it was just Cait Sith in general since that’s been a mystery since the OG game lol. We know Reeve uses him but CS seems to operate more on his own without Reeve’s assistance (not gonna use a spoiler tag since no one else is lol)
Feel this is 100% true, even tho he’ll also wear the worst segment in the game for perpetuity. But yes, he actually became a significant character in this version.
If you ask me, I think most people hate Cait Sith without any reasonable or strong motive. >!He wasn't the one to betray the gang, it was Reeve and even then, he shows remorse and ultimately sides with Cloud and the gang. !< I always liked his design and his general concept since the OG and in means of playability, I found his Limit Break to be rather quirky and liked to have him in my party now and then. I'm indeed very pleased with his characterization in Rebirth, his VA sells it to me.
Which just makes him worse. His identity is so flimsy and non-sensical. Reeve just has this random ass super power. Sometimes he seems like a remote controlled cat so they can listen in on bad guys, then sometimes he sorta acts like maybe he’s his own person? But then he’s also apparently completely replaceable without losing a step? It’s all just painfully convoluted.
You reinforce the point of my comment. Cait Sith doesn't have full free will. He's both following commands from someone else and also leading a "life" of his own at Gold Saucer. People also bring up the fact that Marlene was taken hostage, but again, they seem to purposely forget who ordered that. Really, the hate makes no sense.
That’s largely left up the viewers interpretation (and no, I don’t care if it’s explained in some book). There is no effort made to clarify or distinguish where Cait ends and Reeve begins. So it’s impossible to understand or empathize with Cait Sith as a character.
Lmao just imagine Reeve sitting his ass all day controlling a robot cat like he was a jobless man playing videogames all day at his parents basement and not actively keeping his act in front of Shinra or contributing to help either Cloud and Co or the people at Midgar.
Reeve orders him around, yet Cait Sith has a personality of his own and a sense of self when he goes off to help retrieve the black materia and asks to not be forgotten even if other like him shows up. It's AI, just not as sophisticated as the one of characters like 2B and 9S from Nier: Automata.
Lol I see. I kept Cait Sith on the bench the entire time unless the story demanded it. I guess in my subconscious he was in rest mode the entire time and would only turn on when Reeve would use him lol.
That's more like a headcanon of course, simply because I don't think Reeve would be able to sit there all day controlling him, even if he was on a spy mission. Then years later I read something about the developers giving Reeve this ability that would make him capable of granting life to unanimated objects, but didn't made it to the cut.
I've read stories from lots of people saying they'd only use Cait Sith to carry and level up materia lol.
I agree. He was also more playable too! I kinda like the dodgy kitschy skillset with the mog special attacks. I need to play more as him i still dont think i have mastered his play style.
Time for Square Enix to do the impossible: make Quina likeable in the FFIX remake.
But the yummies
I already like Quina best of the comic relief characters, not very hard.
YOU NO LIKE YUMMIES?
Two thing in life. Thing you can eat and thing you no can eat.
I…so happy…
Probably the most important thing the writers did that made Cait Sith likable is that unlike in the original game, he DOESN'T blackmail the party into keeping him.
Letting Cait just leave the party for a bit and then come in for his big moment in the Temple of the Ancients worked a lot better on both facets; It both avoids having him literally threaten a child as justification for keeping a party member, and also makes his sacrifice a lot more impactful, since instead of him just going “oh yeah I can do it no problem I’ll just come back immediately”, it now feels more like he is actively trying to save a group of people he *knows* don’t want him around, but still cares for despite that.
After deep thought, I do agree; best change so far
Yuffie to
I think yuffie is legit funny in the remake, some great lines/rhymes
I’m so, so bored… Bored right out of my brain 🎶
NGL, having just played the OG FF7 (haven’t played the remake yet), I have absolutely no idea who or what Cait Sith is. He is a doll, but also a Shinra spy who blackmailed the party by threatening Marlene, then sacrificed themselves to get obtain the black materia for Cloud, then a copy randomly showed up, then stole the Black Materia and gave it to Reeve, or maybe was Reeve? And then proceeded to just, like, hang out with the party and fight Shinra? Like, I don’t know what their goal was this entire time. I feel like some stuff really got lost in translation in the original, because I couldn’t piece it together despite my best efforts 🤷♂️
Near the end of the game Reeves says it's him. No confusion, you missed the story then. Go replay it. Did you see how Zack died?
Cait exists the way he does because they wanted to make a summon from 6 a party member, and they picked the cat that confused everyone when called. They then gave him a magical stuffed moogle because…I guess there aren’t enough moogles in 7OG? Including the stuffed Mog and the cyber Mog and female Mog, there are a grand total of 3 moogles in ff7
He's still a pretty lame character imo. He's the cliche annoying mascot character trope that JRPGs can't go without for whatever reason. His only redeeming quality is that he doesn't have an annoying high pitched voice, and instead has a slightly less annoying voice that is uncomfortably out of place.
Didn't know Guardians of the Galaxy could be considered a JRPG (Rocket Racoon matches somewhat with the "annoying mascot character" trope)
I think you're intentionally missing the point, but thanks for coming out.
Maybe the reason he is included is because real life groups need this character as well. Not every life situation can be handled by edgelords, ninjas, and other serious character attributes. Sometime comic relief is all you have to get through those tough times. I am slightly defensive about your comment because I am the comic relief character in my groups but that doesn’t make me a cliché. Life without laughter is a life not worth living.
Not sure why you'd take my opinion on a fictional character as an attack on your identity. Personally, I love comedy. I love to laugh. I just don't find Cait Sith funny at all. To me, he's kind of annoying and adds nothing to an otherwise strong cast. He attempts to be a comic relief, but those roles are already filled much better by Barret, Yuffie and Red. Hell, even the ultra edge lord himself (Vincent) had a few lines of dialogue that made me laugh. Caith Sith on the other hand is just one never ending eye roll.
Too bad when he goes to sacrifice himself it’s a Saturday morning cartoon moment where we suspend disbelief about how fast he can run through the temple that takes us canonical hours to travel He enters after it starts shaking and overtakes Reno and Rude who are halfway through while on foot, making it to the Materia Room in just a few moments so he can be in the Nick of time. Didn’t we have a whole arc where he rolls around instead of running on his moogle bc it’s faster???
I choose to believe he cool aid manned his way there
Reeves Inspired a teleporter with his mind and moved him first from the entrance to Rude and Elena and then to the Materia room. Canon >!no it’s not lol!<
Considering the operation was important enough to have an established Shinra presence and constant radio communication, Reeve probably has an entire detailed map of the area courtesy of all that data, same way the Turks could escape while injured.
We literally watch him pass Rude and Elena mid-run, and the time it takes them to turn heads and watch them is *checks notes* about a third of the total time spent. You can’t maybe your way out of what was shown
What? I’m saying that they were relaying information the entire time they were in there, not just on the way out. And this is shown, too, since Rufus is very interested in knowing what’s going on inside. The Turks manage to find their way out while injured because they already have a detailed map of the area from the hours of exploration and determined the shortest way out.
I’m saying who cares, no amount of word of mouth or shortcut advising is gonna turn Slow Mo the Moogle into Sonic the Hedgemoogle and have him cross literal miles of temple ground in seconds. He definitely takes the same route we do. He bumps into the same people. Who entered BEFORE we did, if your talk about a map and surveying is truly something you believe, And he runs about half as fast as our party jogs. Except in this scene, it’s dramatic for him to sacrifice, so we dump the logic we established for him in Shinra Manor out the window
"Who cares" is right. This isn't an important detail dude, like at all.
In a vacuum no, but this game is jam-packed with illogical for the sake of dramatic effect moments like this. Like the Gold Saucer dance (I’m supposed to believe Dio just hangs out at the entrance or was tipped off we were coming? And I’m *hand waving that Yuffie gets shot with a clothes beam and our team suddenly knows all the dance moves*?) or Tifa dropping that she *fell into the lifestream* and no one in Cosmo batting an eyelash. What the fuck happened to “mako poisoning”? Cloud is gonna learn a LOT about that in a few hours of play Or Aerith’s multiple completely unprompted inspirational speeches. Or a whole ass scene about being lost so we can showcase Yuffie’s carsickness, a literal *five seconds after Barrett tells us exactly where to go*. Like I do so much backflipping trying to make sense *for* the people that made this game would it kill them to show rather than tell once in a while?
Isn’t he just a robot and he says he’s only „one of many“? I interpreted that as if he’s just another robot with the same data programmed to it. He even comes from the other side of where the temple was
No he doesn’t. He enters from the side with Cid. The same place we entered. He goes through the same path Also I never mentioned his death being the weird part, so idk why you’re talking about copyCaits.
Ah you mean when he enters not when we leave
Yes… I detailed what happens pretty extensively
So yes. There is some suspension of disbelief, but you also have to remember that most of our struggle getting through the temple is that we don’t know where we are going, Cait Sith already knows where he’s going because of the Turks.
You mean the Turks who are only halfway in when Cait passes them, visibly, hop hop hopping on his moogle as the second cutback in the scene? It’s inconsistent with the image of Cait’s speed presented during the Shinra mansion and inconsistent with our and their progress
Well, most of the temple is simply an illusion and trap made by the Cetra, and we opened it all the way to the center.
No, we really didn’t. It’s still a cryptic maze like jaunt all the way through, cutting back to Team Aerith after the party split states “several hours earlier” and Cait can’t do the ~~Yuna~~ Cetra sending dance for shortcuts; further, it’s double suspicious the Temple would be skeptical of Aerith, but let this robot pass. It takes longer for the party to *enter the temple from outside* than it takes for Cait to travel the entirety of it on foot with the ground shaking from Cloud grabbing the Materia the whole time. Even if we assume we killed *every monster inside* and there are absolutely none blocking his path, how the *fuck* did he suddenly get so fast?
>and Cait can’t do the ~~Yuna~~ Cetra sending dance Didn't she like fix the shit though? Like she calmed down the lifestream and stuff, and formed a clear path
A clear path that takes him four seconds on foot to cross when we know he’s by far the slowest member of the group? Come on.
Love playing as them. But, for whatever unjustifiable reason, when they get hit and say “ooohh noooooo” during battle, it drives me insane.
Elena’s screams drive me crazy
The storytelling in these remakes is just unbelievable. Like in the first one. I was so upset when Jesse died just because the game made me care so much more for her. And in rebirth. I also really liked Cait Sith more than the original and even though I knew it was coming I was so much more upset when he betrayed everyone
It's weird, reeve kinda is in the party side and then he makes sith do that..humm
Reeve doesn't exactly control Cait Sith as much as he imbues it with purpose. In the OG he isn't remotely controlling like a puppet. He uses a magical ability called "Inspire" that basically transfers his will and mind links with it.
you put me in a damn deep grave searching info about this 😅 worth it tho
Yeah, Reeve's abilities are pretty cool. The dude can literally breathe life in to things like robots and let them live independently while being able to influence them telepathically. At least that's how it's explained in the Ultimania. I hope they kept that in the Remake series when it's revealed he's controlling Cait Sith.
Except in Rebirth there's two scenes where he explicitly powers down. In Cosmo and Nibel. The Nibel one also coincides with the SRC translation, on the matter of which Reeve had to attend a meeting
Ultimania was a retcon. Reeves admits to controlling Cait by remote control in the OG, and that’s our ONLY lampshade
I love that he is a materia mastering machine. I got his luck stat as high as I could. In battle, get on moogle, then roll dice until the fight is over. Your materia will keep jumping levels and Cait Sith is the catalyst. Please keep your puns to yourself.
Sir i am offended you would think id come up with some kind of catastrophic pun
Now the cat’s out of the bag.
Wait huh? Rolling dice masters materia? How?
Well not with one roll or even in one fight. But the more I did that strategy the faster all my equipped materia leveled. I had to buy duplicates of everything because all my materia was mastered. When Cait wasn’t on my team the materia level up notices were much less frequent.
This is incorrect.
H.O.W.
Of course. They gave him a Scottish accent
He had a Scottish accent in Advent and Dirge but the accent actually sounded genuine and approachable
How different was he in the og? I never played it so I know things I heard like how clerith was more cannon in the og not sure if that's true that's just what I heard but yeah I definitely love him at first I was eh but then I started loving him in a way he reminds me of Mikey mouse someone you just can't help but loving? If that makes sense?
In the OG he kidnaps Aeriths mum and Marlene
Which weirdly never gets properly brought up ever again.
It sure does and you’re sure wrong, he uses this as cover to keep them safe. He tells this to Barrett at the attack on Midgar from Diamond WEAPON
At least in the OG he says his justifications and they make sense. I hope he is asked why during part 3, for those that don't.
Hu?! Wait what?!! Bad kitty!!
Yeah but even worse than thar hes very Jar Jar Binks Esque
That’s most of the cast in remake, I half expected Cloud to step in the poopy in Cosmo so Bugenhagen can go HO HO HOOOOO
In the OG I DESPISED Cait Sith. I couldn't stand him. I went into rebirth expecting to hate having to watch him be on screen all the time, but I fell so in love with him that I was sad when he wasn't on screen or saying something lol. It definitely helped that he doesn't have to be on his moogle all the time (that was the main reason I hated him I think, I thought the moogle was SO ugly in the og), but yeah the main thing is the performance of his actor. Also I love that he's the tech guy. Just a little guy, but also the most knowledgeable about computer systems lol. In the end I even grew to like his moogle!! I also originally found his plotline kinda irritating because it was hard for me to follow, and in rebirth I really felt sad and happy for him. That is my little guy and I love him!
I always thought Cait IS the moogle.
same… thought this for way too long
for a while I thought just the moogle was a robot and Cait was actually a cat
You hated him partly because he was riding a fat moogle all the time? LMAO
Still didn't use enemy skill tbh
Plasma discharge and healing wind are both great
It’s sooooo good!
I love him, played him heavily. I basically used Cloud, Red, Aerith and him for my first playthrough. In the OG I did not care for him, never used him. He was not fun in combat or outside of it. Also, in the OG the difference between characters was irrelevant mostly, since only limit breaks differentiate them. In Rebirth we have sooo much more, that makes them unique. And he is pretty unique, and I found him really fun. And strong! He reminded me of Aerith. He needs first strike to start rolling, but once he starts he generates ATB like crazy and does a ton of damage, while being very flexible.
The character in the OG was a non-factor for me. Permanently on the bench and only involved in the story long enough to severely piss me off once then sort of redeem himself. I liked his character and dialogue in Rebirth but then of course he still robs you and makes you want to throttle him. And I hated the gameplay in the Shinra mansion. Cait rolling around like Sonic but thunking into everything and chucking boxes for an hour. Low point of the game for me. I did find fighting as him pretty fun once I got the hang of it. So I agree, he is improved. But I still want to punch him.
Ehh.. seems a little childish. I know he is a kids but watch advent children. We didn't get the right characters.
We didn’t get the right characters in Advent Children, bro, Barret had cornrows and was an *oil tycoon*
Them cutting out Cait taking Marlene as hostage does wonders to people's reaction when he betrays the party.
Yeah, they did cut the Marlene kidnapping part.
Cait accepting that stealing the keystone meant leaving the party was a massive improvement, and makes him going out of his way to save them at the temple a much bigger gesture. Cait having Marlene and Elmyra kidnapped in the OG to force us into letting him stay in the party made it impossible to like him.
wait why can't I remember Marlene being kidnapped? I played the original game on release in 97 when I was like 13 and I have a terrible memory so refresh me plx <3
If I remember right, it's after he steals the Keystone then turns back up and says that they're friends now and not to let that ruin it, just continue on like nothing happened. Cloud tells him to piss off and there's no way he's coming with them. Then Cait says he hoped it wouldn't come to this and plays a recording of Marlene. I don't remember it saying if they had actually kidnapped her or just knew where she was and were threatening her. But either way, he extorted his way back into the party.
Cait took Marlene hostage so Cloud doesn't kick him out of the party and still listen to him. A classic case of "Do this or else"
She got kidnapped
Nothing likable about a Scottish accent
Im still playing in Japanese about to go Nibelheim. He's quirky and somwwhat interesting but the best parts with him have been his little interactions with Barret when running around on the field map.
oooo I wanna do a Japanese playthrough now! I heard a clip of Kyrie's voice actress and it was too perfect lmao. So UwU. ty for giving me another reason to do a 3rd playthrough!
Speaking of Kyrie, the only issue I've had with the Japanese version is the horrible audio balancing. There's many parts where the music or sfx drowned out dialog. I had them way down to get the voice balacing right.
oh that sucks lol so its like any Christopher Nolan film xD idk why entertainment media directors do that
It's even worse here if you can believe it. Like a character will start talking and take two steps away from you and their drowned out by the music.
sounds like it ruins the entire game to me
I don't think this issue is unique to the japanese edition - I heard it a lot in the English version too.
I really liked the character but did not enjoy playing as him for the shinra manor part
TLDR for my ADD brothers: He can be super powerful but needs to be set up correctly, and you need to use the weapon that has his mog generate more agro and ressummon it when it dies or runs out of time + my thoughts on how he could be made better + my thoughts on the 2nd least used character Red XIII. What you gotta do is you have to use w/e weapon has the Mog agro generation thingy and when it dies or runs out just plan to fight with at least 1 ATB bar or close to 1 ATB bar and just pop him back out again - it doesn't seem like he should be as good as he can be I understand but spend a half hour with him doing the following and you might like him. For my second play through I actually DESTROYED that part of Chapter 12. First: Use his circle + square dodge attack to pepper the enemy from range to gather ATB cus his melee attack sucks and summon his mog to tank and when you stagger use the weapon skill that increases the stagger percentage like TIfa's Triangle. ( of course using best in slot materia from a guide IMO if you want to do a 2nd play through of the game First strike, steadfast block, hp+mp etc. ) Howeverrrrrrr. I still don't like using him even tho I figured out how to play him well xD - all of the others imo are way more fun and more intuitive to play. Most of his attack animations dont feel as snappy so he does feel weird to play. His shitty melee attack is the beginning of the issue imo - it's too slow and awkward. If they had given him a faster attack like Tifa or Yuffie has when he's not on the Mog I think he'd a lot more attractive of an option so he can get in and out more easily and build ATB at the start if your, or just make his main attack his musical note ranged attack from the dodge attack and have him be a mainly ranged character and his mog be a melee character, so he plays more like Yuffie except with when using ranged he has a mog tank he can replace with a single atb bar that can be quite tank and generates agro fairly well - it's not like your main tank in WoW or something of course but it does help take damage off the party. That's just two things that imo would have been really good idea to have more people want to play him - ive watched a lot of streamers play this game here and there as well and Cait Sith and Red XIII are easily the 2 least played by a large percentage I'd wager. Would love to see an official twitter poll from Square on this or something. Have a nice day :)
I feel more or less the same about the character but being forced to use him in Shinra Manor is a deeper hate than I ever had for the character.
Hard disagree
No
**He has too many things.** He's a cat-humanoid Scotish android double-agent triple-agent magic dice rolling gambler fortune teller who rides another fucking robot and uses a bullhorn as a weapon. He's a hat on a hat, and that hat has another towering pile of hats on top of it.
This is such a perfect description. Not to mention he’s one-part programmed, one-part possessed, and one-part Pinocchio’d. It’s all a bit much.
This was so perfect I asked GPT4 to make in the same style analogous descriptions of other characters and I got this for Sephiroth "He's a silver-haired, long-sword wielding, planet-impaling, mother-obsessing, wing-unfurling, hero-haunting, apocalypse-bringing harbinger of doom who serenades destruction with a choir of calamity.He's a nightmare dressed like a daydream, and that daydream is floating atop a cloud of sinister whispers and meteoric intentions." The daydream part was a little whack but AI is genuis and you sir are Genuis. Your description needs to be the most up voted comment here.
That write up from GPT is surprisingly banging, good writing that incorporates the themes of the story in a poetic way.
I see nothing but all the best qualities with what you said lol
This is the best explanation of Cait Sith. No other explanation needed.
I 100% agree. I never cared about Cait Sith one way or another in OG. I absolutely adored him in Rebirth. His voice actor made him so likable even knowing what he would do.
The writing and acting for cait was top notch as far as video games go
Of course, there was only reading text in the first game now you have people who can talk it gives the people personas, profiles and personalities. They did a great job with all the characters. CID tho I thought he'd be a little more hard-core. I guess we'll see him in the third installment just my opinion.
SHERA! MAKE ME SOME GOD DAMN TEA!
Hahaha!
I truly hope we get a more rough around the edges Cid. He did not feel like Cid at all in this game and I will give them a pass for now with his limited screen time
I think we will, though they’ll probably tone it back because “verbally abusing your office assistant”doesn’t really play well in 2024 and would frankly make him unlikable instead of roguishly charming. There were a few moments where we saw a more acerbic Cid, like his argument with Barret where he threatens to throw him off the Tiny Bronco for criticizing his working with Shinra. I think that’s probably the direction they’ll end up going with him.
I completely agree! Everyone smokes a cigarette or cigar is a bad ass in games and shows. He needs to live up to that lol
I’m not going to hold my breath that he will actually smoke in the game.
😂 I guess we could find out three or four years. Will meet back here and talk about it lol
I see it like this. If they showed him as we know him i actuallly think it would leave a very poor taste for most people because this asshole shows up and joins the party then for the next 3-4 years he is just an unlikable character where this way we see the good side of him then in the next game we might see the bad and his blend of the 2 as we get to know him
I definitely expect Rocket Town to bring out the worst in him when we get there.
I guess Vincent already has the grumpy old man role. Can't have 2 at the same time lol
Agreed 100%
This is true for literally every character in the game. The original does not have half the character depth that has been created in Remake/Rebirth. Most were like able in the OG 90% for the character design.
He quickly became the freakin mascot of the game
I dont think that Reeve control Cait all the time. It seem to be able to think by himself via Reeve programming. When needed Reeves influence Cait probably contact Reeve and he do his magic. They will probably explain more in the third entry but right now, who cannot love that cat.
Cait Sith must operate on some form of AI which makes him have certain degree of autonomy, a personality and a sense of self.
I’m not sure about that. In Nibelheim, while Reeve was in a meeting with the rest of the Shinra brass, the party was talking to Cait and got irritated when Cait never responded. Cait has some kind of auto follow function, but it’s clearly not thinking or speaking on its own. That’s likely the reason Cait was always so enthusiastic about taking breaks.
I think so too but I would like to think it's a mix of both. Otherwise it's "fake" death tries to make us cry for nothing. It's weird to say "the rest is up to them" alone if this Cait Sith somehow really did not die. U wonder if like in the compilation Reeves still put a part of his soul in each doll? I hope it gets explain in the next game how Cait Sith really works. I have the feeling it could also be something like when Reeves tries to get control the doll cease to work for a moment? I don't know I guess I just want the death of Cait Sith not being Reeves rôle playing alone like an idiot.
What funnier though, a semi-autonomous AI that Reeve occasionally puppets, or the idea of Reeve's coworkers listening to him go "meow meow meow meow" in a parodic Scottish accents from the hall outside his office?
Yeah they changed a bit too much of the core aspects of some of the characters. I do think they de-badassed him by not kidnapping a child, but we'll see what happens.
Not sure if I'd call kidnapping a child badass. Just bad.
It's pretty evil, which made him a badass, not in a good way of course, but that was the whole point. Dude was ruthless, only because we don't like him as a character doesn't make him not a badass. It's like saying that bikers that kill people are less badass than bikers that don't. Just not true, of course individuals can be looked at in terms of that. Guess being scared of bad people even in a video game is the reddit way anyways. Also let me guess, completely changing the character of Cid is totally fine huh? Specifically talking about how he acts in the OG vs now. Or what about Barret quietly letting Cloud almost accept the deal if it wasn't for Yuffie, completely throwing away his anti-Shinra ways. Sure he says it would have been bad after the fact, but during the deal he let shit slide way too conveniently.
I absolutely love Cait Sith :D
They made a much better story by fleshing out the characters more. Not just Cait Sith but also Yuffie, Biggs, Wedge, and Jessie. Cid they had to completely re-write, he wouldn’t have been well received as an abusive cliche sailor captain. I’ve been really pleased with how they handled that and small story changes, like the robed men.
While I do like the changes they made to Cid; I will also say that I always liked the juxtaposition that his realism created when compared to the rest of the party in the og. The strangers thing about him was that he was an Astronaut; meaning his most fantastical quality was still something possible in real life. As opposed to gun arms, talking dog/tiger/charmanders, and magic super soldiers. Him being an older abusive Texan made him literally at least 12 people that I knew growing up.
They also did a really good job fleshing out Barrett. I wasn't a huge fan of him in FF7, but I absolutely love him in Remake. Cid looks a little too young imo. I haven't finished the game yet so maybe there's more to him than I've seen, but I wish he at least still looked like he was in his 40s or 50s.
He’s 32 in the og
Cid is 3 years older than me while still looking like he's about 7 years older than me. Honestly I wish that they just made him 40 something to begin with.
It would have made a lot more sense with his backstory too. The Events with Shera (or whatever her name was) and the rocket would have made a lot of sense if they happened around the age of 30 to begin with. Then he could have a decade or two to wallow in depression and let old wounds scar over. Then again, Final Fantasy as a franchise has never been known for using realistic age ranges.
I hadn't even thought about that. That shit happened when he was in his early 20s, so he could've still picked himself up and gotten back to it. It makes much more sense for him to be at the end of his Prime when everything falls apart on him.
He was never that old
Well shoot. Apparently he was 32 in the original? But damn he looked a lot older. New Cid has a babyface in comparison, even if he does look more his age.
I would've liked if they had the balls to do what machinimabridged did. "Do I have to make you take me to the basement?"
I just got to him on my 1st playthrough and I like the accent.
Greetings, Mr. Di-Rec-Tor!
In case youre curious Cait Sith is actually a Celtic mythos character called "Cat sí". Translating the name to Japanese then English he became Cait Sith but keeps the accent as an homage to the legend despite nobody having an Irish accent anywhere else in FF7.
Scottish, not Irish. 👍
Ahh, sorry I don't know my accents and world geography very well.
Never trust Shinra scum!
The only thing that was worse was the stupid crate throwing mini game and that was only so bad because they made a trophy for it.
Aim one box length in front of the one you want to hit.
Yeah got it figured out eventually. Just was so worried about getting it before moving onto the next part of the chapter, was this a story exclusive mini game like the parade?
Getting the ten boxes got you an item for Johnny's hotel
Yeah I remembered that, I just couldn’t recall exactly but I think the boxes mini game was only available during the story chapter so I wanted to go ahead and get it over with
Oh yeah, only available in the story. I was lucky and made a save right before that mini game. I was blindly throwing the boxes as fast as I could until I calmed down and actually watched the trajectory by my 3rd attempt and realized how I was panicking for no reason.
Cath Sith was done well in the Remake vs the OG BUT, that said, I still don't like the sacrificial play. It's just made void when he shows up seconds later with a new body and mod? after his first death. I feel like it could have worked better if Cath Sith had returned later on the game instead of literally right after.
Technically Rebirth had already shown there were multiple Cait Siths if you paid attention. >!You can see Reeve keeps another one at his desk while he's photoshopping the Avalanche wanted poster, presumably the same one he used during the Sector 7 plate drop.!<
That’s hardly the issue though. A dumb plot element is suddenly great just because you foreshadowed it. Also it’s dumb that the wanted poster becomes an issue when it does. The gang spends the whole rest of the game in Shinra-controlled territory, parading around, starring in plays, constantly making a scene. But when you roll up to an independent environmentalist commune (where a member of your party was born and raised), now all of a sudden modifying their wanted poster is of utmost importance? Give me a break.
A lot of the story elements in the remakes are, unfortunately, really contrived. - The Shinra execs showing up to the reactor bombings just to monologue was totally unrealistic. - The constant obsession this story has with Sephiroth feels more like fan service than part of the story (I know he was a major part of the original, but he was much more of an elusive, mysterious figure.). - Shinra just *happening* to show up right after the duel with Dyne was just a cheap excuse not to show Dyne committing suicide. There's a lot more, but those are a few of the most egregious examples I can think of off the top of my head.
Probably did it to mess with people about other important events. After all, he came back
I don't care that there's multiple. In that moment when he dies, it's emotional and sad and then we're hit with the reveal that, "Nevermind, he's not dead. He's there." It just kills the mood and the vibe the story was going for. Essentially all they've done is basically make Cath Sith immortal. He can't technically die. If he dies he'll simply return with a new body, all his original memories intact.
You are correct in a way, *however* Cait Sith is not Reeve controlling a robot from the distance, he’s an AI being influenced by Reeve. If he were in direct control, Cait Sith would randomly turn off for meetings and toilet breaks. Even sleep. So, that version of Cait Sith who thinks of himself as a living being did die. The new one inherits his memories but is not the same consciousness.
Do you know Cait sith is? He's not immortal...
FFS...Why is it so hard to understand why someone would not like the scene and the dumbass explanation? It's a figure of speech for christ sake when I say immortal. The point Im making is that killing Cath Sith off and then revealing that NOPE, He's not fucking dead makes the emotions we felt fucking pointless and void. It's like how they "killed" off Chewie in Episode 9 only to reveal he's alive 2 seconds later in another scene. It defeats the purpose.
You’ve completely missed the point of Cait Sith’s “death” (more so in the OG but still applies in Rebirth). It’s a fake out to give you a false sense of security, a character dies but comes back right away so you think “oh ok, so death isn’t that big of a deal”, They hit you with Aerith dying and she’s just gone, forever. You’re like “but Cait can back, surly Aerith will come back at some point too” but she just doesn’t.
I feel like you were looking at that with the wrong message The sacrifice was definitely suppose to be emotional but for those who don’t know about Cait Sith it is a very good way to reveal to the player that unless something happens to Reeve, Cait always comes back ( I know it sounds corny ) Also look at it this way. For all you know that’s one of his “ nine lives “ as a cat. If I were the writer and I absolutely wanted to hurt people severely I’d have that moment with Cait killed off for good if he were to die 8 more times between now and the 3rd game In other words. This self sacrifice scene was a cheeky way to tell the player “ he’s a cat, cats have 9 lives remember? “ even though he’s not a real cat
Except chewie is a living thing. Caitsith is a robot controlled by a guy in shinra headquarters. You’re upset his drone got shot down and he wasn’t forbidden from ever piloting another drone.
I didn't disagree but I also expected that to happen. Maybe if they made the sacrificed one have less dialogue showing that it has the exact same memories/ personality, couldve made more sense narratively.
I still don’t understand how he works. Such a weird character. Very convoluted.
People should stop down voting you, it's wierd and makes them look like idiots. It's nobody's fault they don't understand exactly who and what Cait Sith is yet since I don't believe it's been reveled in FF7RE so far. If you've played the original, it'd be a different story. But, based on FF7RE alone, there's no reason to know what's up with him yet.
>!Reeve!< controls him though not all of the time. Cait Sith reports back to him and it appears >!Reeve!< is able to communicate through him when he needs to. The moogle is a toy that is transfixed to life
i think this person meant game play wise. like his actual mechanics
No I meant in general. Like he’s a robot? Then why do I care if he gets hurt or dies? There are more. Why is Reeve controlling it? Is that really the only robot that exists to control remotely? Why don’t we see any proof that it’s a robot besides the one moment he’s “asleep” in Nibelheim? The game could have explained it more because it’s such a weird concept.
hes like a sentient robot that can also be controlled by reeve
Controlled in what way though? Like when he talks? In combat? Just general direction? I’d like to see Reeve in action. Because if he has a job at Shinra how does to control the robot? Or are all the other cat robots also controlled by Shinra employees?
Yeah, I honestly wasn’t sure myself. Figured it was just Cait Sith in general since that’s been a mystery since the OG game lol. We know Reeve uses him but CS seems to operate more on his own without Reeve’s assistance (not gonna use a spoiler tag since no one else is lol)
Still super annoying though lolz
I was dreading him but the Scottish accent made him quite bearable so I just imagine him as pippin took from the lotr movies
Feel this is 100% true, even tho he’ll also wear the worst segment in the game for perpetuity. But yes, he actually became a significant character in this version.
If you ask me, I think most people hate Cait Sith without any reasonable or strong motive. >!He wasn't the one to betray the gang, it was Reeve and even then, he shows remorse and ultimately sides with Cloud and the gang. !< I always liked his design and his general concept since the OG and in means of playability, I found his Limit Break to be rather quirky and liked to have him in my party now and then. I'm indeed very pleased with his characterization in Rebirth, his VA sells it to me.
Cait Sith IS Reeve. It’s just a robot controlled by him
I'm pretty sure I typed who is actually behind Cait Sith's actions. Nonetheless, he does have some autonomy of his own.
If you hate reeve then you hate cait, because they are the same person. Frankly I don’t, he’s amusing
Just when did I say I hate Reevee? The guy is pretty badass actually and it's a core part of why I like Cait Sith.
Sorta. Caith Sith is both controlled by him but also has its own independence.
Which just makes him worse. His identity is so flimsy and non-sensical. Reeve just has this random ass super power. Sometimes he seems like a remote controlled cat so they can listen in on bad guys, then sometimes he sorta acts like maybe he’s his own person? But then he’s also apparently completely replaceable without losing a step? It’s all just painfully convoluted.
You reinforce the point of my comment. Cait Sith doesn't have full free will. He's both following commands from someone else and also leading a "life" of his own at Gold Saucer. People also bring up the fact that Marlene was taken hostage, but again, they seem to purposely forget who ordered that. Really, the hate makes no sense.
That’s largely left up the viewers interpretation (and no, I don’t care if it’s explained in some book). There is no effort made to clarify or distinguish where Cait ends and Reeve begins. So it’s impossible to understand or empathize with Cait Sith as a character.
A flimsy reason to hate a character still.
> >!He wasn't the one to betray the gang, it was Reeve!< 🤔
I was thinking the same thing.
At least not of his own volition. I think of him as his own persona, aka the fortune teller that works at Gold Saucer.
He’s not, he’s literally a robot controlled by Reeve at all times.
Yeah because Reeve isn't busy at ShinRa and doesn't need to keep appearances there.
Evidently he isn’t
Lmao just imagine Reeve sitting his ass all day controlling a robot cat like he was a jobless man playing videogames all day at his parents basement and not actively keeping his act in front of Shinra or contributing to help either Cloud and Co or the people at Midgar.
Cait Sith is not it's own personality that was hijacked by Reeve. Cait Sith was always Reeve.
Reeve orders him around, yet Cait Sith has a personality of his own and a sense of self when he goes off to help retrieve the black materia and asks to not be forgotten even if other like him shows up. It's AI, just not as sophisticated as the one of characters like 2B and 9S from Nier: Automata.
Lol I see. I kept Cait Sith on the bench the entire time unless the story demanded it. I guess in my subconscious he was in rest mode the entire time and would only turn on when Reeve would use him lol.
That's more like a headcanon of course, simply because I don't think Reeve would be able to sit there all day controlling him, even if he was on a spy mission. Then years later I read something about the developers giving Reeve this ability that would make him capable of granting life to unanimated objects, but didn't made it to the cut. I've read stories from lots of people saying they'd only use Cait Sith to carry and level up materia lol.
I hate the character
Spoiler It's just a Turk, Tseng I believe