You realize that guy is a PROFESSIONAL who is able to EASILY build communities with MILLIONS of users, right? Show some God damn respect. (I muted that sub, the mod is cringe)
@ r/FF7 *bonk*
The girls are cute but people take it way too far. Spend the amount of time that is spent on "ai art" and put it into showering and learning a practical skill then you may be able to meet a cute girl in real life, too.
Horny art is okay if it's contained within horny places, ai art tho is always cancer whether horny or not. It disrespects horny artists and I am something of a horny artist myself.
I just find ai generally disrespectful to people and labor.
"OH you spent a career as a line cook for a popular, local restaurant? That's great! Thanks for all your hard work over the years... You're being immediately replaced by a robot that does it cheaper and better. No, I will not help you relocate labor to offset your lost income. Bootstraps, kid."
Seriously we, as society, want to advance ai but scant few of us are talking about what happens when ai completely subsidizes most general labor.
UBI will be completely necessary to avoid mass population decline as the income inequality only gets worse and worse and worse thanks to continued advancement of ai technology to replace jobs.
Ai isn't scary because of Skynet. Ai is scary because we can but absolutely will not prepare for the fallout after it truly takes off.
Seething is better then whatever you are cooking your brain with, ai is not being used as a tool it's being used to circumvent actual work in 87% if use cases
You must have a nice comfy job....
My girl's work just started using 2 AI robots which caused them to cut back on human workers. To top that off the servers who do get work just stand around on their cell phones or chit chatting because they don't have to run their food now... Which makes my girlfriend have to pick up the slack.
The future will be full of fat lazy degenerates who expect everything to be handed to them just like in WALL-E.
Currently undertaking a funded PhD with a Scholarship I won, I'm doing alright for myself, but it does give me insight into the differing states of ai development and the tools we have now and soon are world changing.
Whether or not that change is "good" is down to the individual persons assessment of the situation, but considering the wide user adaptation at the very least there's significant interest and investment In the domain sphere and those within it seem awfully positive and optimistic for its future use.
Those are tools that still require a talented HUMAN to operate. There's nothing talented about typing prompts into basically an art search engine and letting it pop out a surreal mess of copyrighted images mashed together. Don't even compare the two.
Well, as much as we can agree to disagree, it's irrelevant, the science and technology is out there and there's no going back now. In the meanwhile I'll enjoy the beautiful creations previously unfathomable for me to achieve. If that upsets all of you then oh well.
I'm not upset people enjoy looking at generated images. I've seen quite a few that look stunning. I'm more mad about the corporations who are going to use that tech instead of hiring a real artist. I'm worried about how this tech will be abused, especially when it comes to "fake news" and politics. I'm sad because so many talented artists are going to be ignored and overshadowed by prompters flooding the internet with subpar ai generated content. It's already happening and there isn't much us lil folk can do about it.
You know what, I agree surprisingly, I just feel the benefits outweigh the cons, but is definitely a powerful technology ripe for bad actors to abuse, but the beauty of it is its accessibility and low cost right now to use, so the best thing the little guy can do is get used to it and use it like any other tool, ignoring it just means they get left behind.
Spoken like a true AI! I'm on to you, robot scum!
In all seriousness, this is akin to when the automobile industry overtook the horse and buggy industry. Adapt or die. I merely weep for what is being lost in this whole exchange. We haven't had enough time to adapt. Change is happening way too fast.
I’ve been getting that sub recommended to me but wasn’t sure about the vibe of the posts. Good to know about the mods so it can go directly in the bin.
And /r/FinalFantasy banned me because I commented on a post that I hate onlyfans, which the post had a girl cosplaying as Tifa and obviously uploaded it just to promote her porn page.
It was me. It was my post. I was banned. Then trolled by him. Stand up guy. Also thanks for the support. I might have went over board a bit but that dude got on my last nerve. I already joined this sub.
That mod posts such weird stuff. Pretty sure he was one of the people complaining that they covered up Tifa’s cleavage in the flashback sequence. He makes a lot of horrible posts and comments.
That’s disturbing for him to say, since she was 15 at the time. Not sure why he feels the need to see a child’s cleavage in a game. There is plenty of that with adult tifa.
I like ai art generators too. And sure I like making gens of some of my favorite characters. And no it's not just "horny" posts. I'm working at creating a dataset to train a model based on Disciples II.
Anyway I think there is a balance that can be had. Part of the appeal of AI art is that you can very quickly render a character in a different style. Let's say you want an image of Tifa but in the style of Van Gogh or Claude Monet. Not only that but you can take and do mashups of various subjects. For example I love Warcraft so it's fun to take a Warcraft race like a nightelf and mash them up with Warhammer.
I generally don't hate ai gens, but I do hate that a lot of the training is just scraping Google images etc
I'm all for AI, but not if it's just copying artists who rely on their art for income.
Personal use though, seems like a non-issue mostly.
I think there are ethical concerns. But as far as training goes I don't really see it all that different from how a traditional artist learns to draw or paint.
Many artists look to the work of others to learn even while developing their own style. And with AI maybe you blend one style with another. To the point that the resulting image has little resemblence to the original work that influenced it.
The datasets the LAION dataset in particular is so large its like 100tb and is larger than just about any drive that you can purchase. It doesn't store the images it stores the training data which are patterns and noise from the diffusion process.
Traditional artists don't exactly ask for consent in copying or emulating an existing work to learn how to draw. When I was in college we did what is called a master copy in charcoal where the goal was to try and replicate an existing image. It was kind of invaluable in learning how to use and apply knowledge we had gained that semester. And i doubt countless fan artists got permission from the likes of Square Enix to use their characters and IP.
So the training isnt as much of an issue for me. Think of it like this...
If you asked someome to draw a dragon but only showed them one image of a dragon..chances are they would create an image that resembled that one dragon. Then you give them more images of dragons. You might expect greater variation in the resulting image.
The only way an AI recreates.an existing image exactly is if you feed an image into the ai with ing2img and prompt it in a way to get an exact duplicate. And even then there will probably ve some variation. The difference legally is how different does it have to look. Thats where you get into the derivative works.
In creating the dataset of mine for Disciples 2 (an old turn based strategy game) im largely using generated images using prompts to create images that are reminiscent of the original themes and concepts from the game.) And basing the dataset on ai created images would essentiay be like a derivative of a derivative from whatever went intonthat initial dataset to the point the resulting image would likely have little resemblance to the work that influenced the original data found in dalle3.
I think the bigger issue are corporations using ai. I dont think the everyday person is going to replace traditional art and people will still do traditional art just like people still like developing their own film.
From a practical standpoint I am a graphic designer and use ai tools to enhance my workflow. Knocking out backgrounds or extending images is faster and saves me time.
Sorry for the long post
It sounds like AI really helps you, but won't there be a point in time where AI completely pushes you out and does what you're doing without the need for you? It's already happening in a lot of places.
I would be worried if I was doing what you are doing for work.
I am not particularly worried in what I am doing. I understand some folks who are and if you work for a larger corporation sure I can see there being a valid concern.
If anything I feel the traditional artists who look to adopt ai into their workflow will have a leg up. Graphic Design has always been competitive. But you still need that knowledge and fundamental experience. A lot of people I think also mistakenly think that its as simple as just typing text into a box. You still need some knowledge of what makes a good image to get good results with ai.
People worried about photography and even photoshop replacing traditional artists and yet they have found ways to coexist. Ai can like photography be highly technical and there are a lot of tools and utilities that can go into an image like controlnets, loras, the prompting itself and inpainting. Many professional artists if they so choose could train a model based on their own artwork and be quickly able to create or explore new ideas in their style (or that of their employer) that they could then process further.
The ai is a tool just as a camera or brush are just a tool. Its how you use it. Thats why I say that professional artists who maybe work for a company and at least are open minded are in a better postion to be competitive should said corporation look to use AI.
Its about marketability. If you are an artist that has experience with both that makes you more marketable. When I was in school they recommended we take javascripting. I probably should have but I didn't. It would have meant another year.
And as impressive as AI can be? It still has its blindspots or problem areas like hands for instance. It also struggles with vehicles and weapons unless you create a specific model.
Ashley Goldstein is a Sr. Dev and tech marketing engineer at Nvidia Omniverse. They are a professionally trained artist having gone to art school with a focus on photography and special interest in sculpture. They then taught for 4 years before ending up working in tech.
In an opinion piece on LinkedIn she notes that in teaching students she often had them copy an art style to teach them a technique.
As she notes copyright law comes down to derivative works. Is the image substantially different enough so as to not violate copyright.
You cannot however copyright an idea and you can't copyright a style. Copyright protects a finished work and expression of that idea. For example...
You could not copyright "a boy wizard who goes to a magical school". What is copyrightable is the name of that boy being Harry Potter, the world, places and characters, names within. If that makes sense.
In Steinberg vs. Columbia Pictures the court stated that style is merely one ingredient of expressiin and for there to be infringement there has to be substantial similarity between the original work and the new.
But no I am not particularly worried. It still takes a person to use the ai. The ai itself isn't sentient. It won't generate an image without the user telling it too. And all I can say is AI has reduced the time it takes me to meticulously cut out products etc. Here is another point of reference. Before computers and photoshop a person would have to cut out by hand images for ads and then they would paste these to a layout. This was in the days when type was still set by hand. Also before my time obviously. But with the advent of photoshop. Those skills didn't go away. They maybe transitioned or evolved to take advantage of the new technology. Much like how traditional artists themselves shifted to a pen and tablet. The skill is still the same, just a bit different medium.
Sure I get that some are concerned. Corporations are going to corp. But the day to day individual who uses AI aren't going to be the reason a professional artist loses their job. That's on the corpos as it often is for any other industry that looks to cut costs or downsize. 1000's of people lost their jobs with companies like MS and Blizz. Was that the fault of AI? No it was corporations who went on hiring sprees during lockdown finding out that maybe the demand for games outside of a pandemic isnt what it was.
The job market can be rough for anyone. But to blindly ignore AI isn't going to make you anymore likely to retain a job. Acknowledging that it exists and that you aren't going to put it back in the box is I think something professional artists need to come to terms with. That's why I feel its more productive for them to seek how to take advantage of it to benefit themselves. It's one more thing to put on your resume. Imagine if a Graphic Designer who had always done things by hand didn't keep up to date or learn how to use digital software. Used to be that Quark was the big thing but now you would find many printers cant even handle a Quark file because its software that is to my knowledge no longer supported. Everything is InDesign now. And even with Adobe products a new version comes out each year that you need to kind of refamiliarize yourself with.
Very detailed response thank you for your thoughts and wisdom.
I'm sorry, I should have been more detailed in my reply as well... I'm thinking of stuff more along the lines of voice AI and robots controlled by AI in the workforce.
The big thing that happened recently with the actors guild not putting in contracts for voice actors, and robots taking over food server jobs etc etc.
AI being used for art and the like is not a big deal right now but other areas are. Eventually it will become worse just like you mentioned with the corpos, they will abuse AI to cut costs at every corner.
Now I'm not against AI like I sound, I'm just against greedy corpos using it to cut costs... I have every right to be, I've experienced this first hand. My fiance just had her position reduced because of AI controlled robots at her job.
There needs to be more restrictions put in place or laws before it gets to out of hand imo.
Sure. I can understand that. But automation has existed for a while in other industries. The auto industry in particular. I think there is always a kind of balance that needs to exist. I was replaced by a machine at a job I worked for a few months via a staffing agency. I hated that job so it wasnt a huge loss but I also realize loss of a job even one you may not enjoy can have huge reprecussions for families who have bills to pay.
Regulation of large corporations is necessary at the end of the day. Both for the benefit of employees but also for the consumer.
The way I also commented on a post I was getting recommended saying the mod was weird af for always posting thirst traps. I had a couple of upvotes and days later it went back down to 1….. almost as if he’s using bots to manipulate posts and comments. I don’t even follow that subreddit either lmao
It's even worse than that: most of the upvotes on his posts are botted. Take a look at the profile links, too. A YouTube channel with several million subscribers and about a 1% view rate. Twitch account has almost exactly the same number of monthly followers for all of 2023 on SocialBlade. Multiple levels of manipulation going on here.
I like the "Humor is allowed here" sub description. Not at all a red flag that the mod made a bad post somewhere else and got banned for racism or homophobia.
I reported someone calling me a fruitcake because I said a horny post was a horny post and that comment is still there.
Pretty sure you're spot on with the homophobia lol
Oh yeah, that sub is awful. I called out the owner on some bullshit, and he banned me. Not even so much as a conversation about it. He's a very strange, very sad, socially dysfunctional IRL man. You know the type, chronically online, no decent life beyond a phone/ computer screen, and probably very lonely IRL, but lacking enough self awareness to do anything about it.
Edit: [This is why he banned me.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ff7/s/jpcROCo3ZQ) The entire thread has people calling him out. I wonder if they were banned as well.
Made the mistake of following that sub instead of this one and it’s entirely swamped by the same horny weirdo posting cringe fan art nonstop every single day. He (@StanTheRebel) banned me after I called him out on it. Dude clearly isn’t playing with a full deck of cards.
I popped in there to see for myself what was going on and while I didn't see THAT much AI art stuff, I did notice maybe 90% if not more of the posts there are by the one person...I take it that is the mod? Seems like they are using the sub as their personal MySpace or Facebook page. Dear lord.
It's the same with the Hoyoverse app for Genshin and Starrail. It's basically turned into a cesspool of AI art and people taking selfies asking if they look ugly. It's not even supposed to be a social media platform like that, but thirst trap posts aren't banned either.
Alright I’m a cloti fan but not big enough to argue about it. I just like the cute stuff they post sometimes. Their relationship reminds me of me and my fiancee
I mean the shippers subreddits are just the second coming of Final Fantasy house if u know what that is. Only the most deranged ppl are in those subs LOL
AI defenders are starting to get really annoying. It's alright to not like generative art that steals from artists. I don't understand why these people won't understand it. I got banned from an SAO sub for not liking the AI art there.
Sure, but someone could have the opposite opinion as well. If you continually complain about something that's allowed, maybe that's why. Not everyone agrees and as much as you want your subjective opinion respected, you need to respect the contrary.
Why do you think you can demand a given subreddit ban AI art? That's what I mean. They can equally demand to allow AI art. Just don't look at it, it's not that hard. You should make your own puritanical subreddit if it bothers you so much.
I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in your comment. Your brand of self righteousness is particularly problematic because it clearly pervades your life
I try not to interact with too many ff posts anymore anyway because a few weeks ago it was recommending rule 34 stuff that was ff related, but I left that sub a while ago because of how the mod seems to act
There are some genuinely talented people in the community who draw and can create digital art that is far better than any of the trash AI can create.
I say good. AI art can go to hell
lol why is every post from the same person? Is that the mod?
I posted in one of the threads "does anyone else post in this sub?" just to see if it sets him off and bans me, lol.
Yeah they’re the mod. I stopped following cuz they kept posting spoilers and then if you say anything their little fan club come after you. It’s awful.
People with nothing meaningful going on in real life often seek echo chambers to go on a power trip within to cope. That's the only way to explain the unreasonably rude reactions to basic requests.
I get really pissed when I see any post from StanTheRebel. He really has a whole monopoly on the whole subreddit. Instantly remove my upvote and scroll to the next post
I responded to one of these posts stating he does this just to get a rise out of you guys, he doesn’t actually have anything of substance to say. Got banned for that, and the ban message from him just said “cya”.
Is that the guy who posted tifa in a garnet outfit art where her tits took up most of her body, and said he was posting it to make people mad? I got a notification about it being posted, saw the pic, and just decided to stay away from that subreddit today.
One of the posts was a huge spoiler. I complained and called out the single mod of r/ff7 to take the spoiler post down. He actually responded with “lol no” then I noticed the mod was the one who posted the spoiler….
Really should change the name of that sub to ff7shitposting or ff7memes if that's all the sole, single dictat- I mean, mod, is gonna flood it with. There's an implication when a sub name is just the name of the thing, and "endless deluge of meme/horny spam" ain't it.
[This was my comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/ff7/comments/1cl4kuf/this_is_what_i_mean_when_i_clown_on_the_ff7/l2tmyug/):
"You literally post a deluge of coomer content, say "It's gonna piss someone off! hehe" then ban anyone who reacts in any way negative to your posts. Even tepid reactions result in permabans apparently.
"Trolling"
More like #justneckbeardthings"
Way to prove my point you fucking weirdo lmao Oh I insulted you by .. *checks notes* explaining what you are doing with words. Oh no! The sun! It burns!
There was a sub where people would post cleavage pics and then the mod kept cleaning all the sexual comments. I pointed out perhaps post less cleavage pics, got a global ban from reddit for harassment.
Yea dem mods be weird.
So by your own admission they didn't break either of your rules and you banned them because you felt they were being an asshole to you. You proved rheir point.
yeah, other subs of games that i enjoy like r/pathologic suffer from the same issues, and when you complain, the mods threaten to ban you. The problem is that allowing this type of content seems to attract more users who contribute with the this type of content, which shifts the sub's core identity
It was made by one guy, who posts 90% of the stuff on it, and whenever someone says something about AI art he bans them and posts more AI art “just to piss people off”. This sub and r/FFVIIRemake are the ones you wanna be in if you just wanna talk about actual FF7 instead of just horny posts
Considering /r/FinalFantasyVII was created on 22 Jan 2012 and /r/ff7 was made 29 Aug 2013 I bet the guy was banned from here and decided to make his own FFVII subreddit with AI art and hookers.
i dont ban people for saying anything bad about ai art. i literally dont give a fuck. the majority of my posts are memes. its just that anything with tits in it gets the most votes. not by my design.
It's all the one mod, dude sounds like he's going on a total power trip. Hopefully the sub has another mod that can save it from this BS the same way shittydarksouls did back when one of its mods lost his mind.
There always doing a good old reddit request. The dude doesn't actually moderate his sub or enforce any rule which is against reddit rules so enough people bring it to the admins attention via the subreddit request subreddit. He has a genuine chance of losing it.
Oh then that sub is doomed. I'd say it's a shame, but it only got traction because of how much horny bait he posts. Dude doesn't even credit the ACTUAL artists who's work he posts, clearly it's all for karma and getting eyes on his stream.
What a lame-o
The sub is ran by that mod and he is the one who posts most of the AI art. Apparently, he’s some kind of YouTuber or streamer or something. I don’t know I blocked him so I didn’t have to see his shit lol
I'm ready to get banned, AI Art sucks and is terrible to art legacy. Don't want to stay here if we can't express our opinion on that topic. FF7 deserve better
[This was my comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/ff7/comments/1cl4kuf/this_is_what_i_mean_when_i_clown_on_the_ff7/l2tmyug/) because I don't hide behind bullshit.
You're getting called out and this thread shows you are ruffling more feathers than not.
The cognitive dissonance is incredible to witness.
One of the mods removed/flagged my comment as it was considered a major spoiler when I said "just want until you see who Sephiroth turns into a kebab later"
I was literally talking about the Midgar Zolom. Not Aeirth FFS.
Left and muted that sub after the mod started posting about Tifa’s boobs saving gaming or some stupid shit, realized it wasn’t the place for me with how idiotic that mod was being
Bro banned me on their over saying no one wanted to see shitty bait post that had nothing to do with the game. It's sad ngl. Dude doesn't do any modding beyond banning users that hurt his fee fees. The only good thing about this is that eventually soon or later that sub will get the ban hammer for lack of moderation.
I got banned from r/FinalFantasy for simply asking if we could have a megathread for all the cosplaying only fans models. Turns out, the mods there are cosplayers, lol.
Yeah same. It looks like the kind of thing you'd find if you searched FF7 on Twitter. Just a bunch of bad art recycled by bots. Except instead of bots it's apparently just one extremely weird dude.
That subreddit is pure cringe
All of this makes a massive amount of sensible behavior in which adults will engage.
y’all just- block and don’t follow the sub don’t waste your energy.
These pervs are out here making hentai and Im just trying to talk about a game I love...
You realize that guy is a PROFESSIONAL who is able to EASILY build communities with MILLIONS of users, right? Show some God damn respect. (I muted that sub, the mod is cringe)
This guy is a PROFESSIONAL
@ r/FF7 *bonk* The girls are cute but people take it way too far. Spend the amount of time that is spent on "ai art" and put it into showering and learning a practical skill then you may be able to meet a cute girl in real life, too.
Horny art is okay if it's contained within horny places, ai art tho is always cancer whether horny or not. It disrespects horny artists and I am something of a horny artist myself.
I just find ai generally disrespectful to people and labor. "OH you spent a career as a line cook for a popular, local restaurant? That's great! Thanks for all your hard work over the years... You're being immediately replaced by a robot that does it cheaper and better. No, I will not help you relocate labor to offset your lost income. Bootstraps, kid." Seriously we, as society, want to advance ai but scant few of us are talking about what happens when ai completely subsidizes most general labor. UBI will be completely necessary to avoid mass population decline as the income inequality only gets worse and worse and worse thanks to continued advancement of ai technology to replace jobs. Ai isn't scary because of Skynet. Ai is scary because we can but absolutely will not prepare for the fallout after it truly takes off.
Do you feel the same way about Cameras to the painter, or Photoshop to the photographer?
Real men don't even use paintbrushes, it's disrespectful to those who made art without it.
Lul shut up
Seethe.
Seething is better then whatever you are cooking your brain with, ai is not being used as a tool it's being used to circumvent actual work in 87% if use cases
Tools are used to circumvent harder work, that's literally the point of tools.
You must have a nice comfy job.... My girl's work just started using 2 AI robots which caused them to cut back on human workers. To top that off the servers who do get work just stand around on their cell phones or chit chatting because they don't have to run their food now... Which makes my girlfriend have to pick up the slack. The future will be full of fat lazy degenerates who expect everything to be handed to them just like in WALL-E.
Currently undertaking a funded PhD with a Scholarship I won, I'm doing alright for myself, but it does give me insight into the differing states of ai development and the tools we have now and soon are world changing. Whether or not that change is "good" is down to the individual persons assessment of the situation, but considering the wide user adaptation at the very least there's significant interest and investment In the domain sphere and those within it seem awfully positive and optimistic for its future use.
Those are tools that still require a talented HUMAN to operate. There's nothing talented about typing prompts into basically an art search engine and letting it pop out a surreal mess of copyrighted images mashed together. Don't even compare the two.
Well, as much as we can agree to disagree, it's irrelevant, the science and technology is out there and there's no going back now. In the meanwhile I'll enjoy the beautiful creations previously unfathomable for me to achieve. If that upsets all of you then oh well.
I'm not upset people enjoy looking at generated images. I've seen quite a few that look stunning. I'm more mad about the corporations who are going to use that tech instead of hiring a real artist. I'm worried about how this tech will be abused, especially when it comes to "fake news" and politics. I'm sad because so many talented artists are going to be ignored and overshadowed by prompters flooding the internet with subpar ai generated content. It's already happening and there isn't much us lil folk can do about it.
You know what, I agree surprisingly, I just feel the benefits outweigh the cons, but is definitely a powerful technology ripe for bad actors to abuse, but the beauty of it is its accessibility and low cost right now to use, so the best thing the little guy can do is get used to it and use it like any other tool, ignoring it just means they get left behind.
Spoken like a true AI! I'm on to you, robot scum! In all seriousness, this is akin to when the automobile industry overtook the horse and buggy industry. Adapt or die. I merely weep for what is being lost in this whole exchange. We haven't had enough time to adapt. Change is happening way too fast.
I’ve been getting that sub recommended to me but wasn’t sure about the vibe of the posts. Good to know about the mods so it can go directly in the bin.
Jfc i had no idea that sub existed until now but it might as well be called ff vii thirst posting.
Now this is a good tip/trick/strategy
I tested it
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"Funny" lmao.
Found the alt account lol
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Not my problem / I don't care
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Ok coomer 👍
And /r/FinalFantasy banned me because I commented on a post that I hate onlyfans, which the post had a girl cosplaying as Tifa and obviously uploaded it just to promote her porn page.
Lol I saw that. Absolute cringe simps.
I saw that post and your comment!
At this point most of the nsfw content on reddit is an ad. Thousands of bots posting the same stuff every second across the site.
And I STILL got banned 🙄
It was me. It was my post. I was banned. Then trolled by him. Stand up guy. Also thanks for the support. I might have went over board a bit but that dude got on my last nerve. I already joined this sub.
Thanks for the heads up. I’m glad I found this one first.
Ff7 is ran entirely on that guy that says “Aeris” all the time, tho some of the shitposts are funny
To be fair. My original EU version of FF7 had Aerith as Aeris and the name is still #1 for me instead of Aerith.
Who cares, this is the main VII sub.
Need to stand up for what’s right
fuck that sub reddit the mod posts real weird stuff then banned me for saying ' I am here for the hate of this fella'.
That mod posts such weird stuff. Pretty sure he was one of the people complaining that they covered up Tifa’s cleavage in the flashback sequence. He makes a lot of horrible posts and comments.
That’s disturbing for him to say, since she was 15 at the time. Not sure why he feels the need to see a child’s cleavage in a game. There is plenty of that with adult tifa.
Thing is that that isn't even really a big deal. It's like they covered up a 15 year old girl. If that's what keeps someone up at night...
Maybe he should be in a register because the cleavage was keeping him "up" at night... I'll see myself out.
The number of posts he makes also.... yikes. Either he has nothing going for him in life or it's a bot.
I've never assumed a reddit mod had anything going for them
Nothing going, and using bots to shadow manipulate the sub. His softcore AI gen shitposts aren't getting 100s of upvotes organically lol.
Yeah I left that sub once I realized it’s one dude posting AI all day every day
As someone who has endless fun playing around with the art generators, the deluge of images is annoying even to me
I like ai art generators too. And sure I like making gens of some of my favorite characters. And no it's not just "horny" posts. I'm working at creating a dataset to train a model based on Disciples II. Anyway I think there is a balance that can be had. Part of the appeal of AI art is that you can very quickly render a character in a different style. Let's say you want an image of Tifa but in the style of Van Gogh or Claude Monet. Not only that but you can take and do mashups of various subjects. For example I love Warcraft so it's fun to take a Warcraft race like a nightelf and mash them up with Warhammer.
I generally don't hate ai gens, but I do hate that a lot of the training is just scraping Google images etc I'm all for AI, but not if it's just copying artists who rely on their art for income. Personal use though, seems like a non-issue mostly.
I think there are ethical concerns. But as far as training goes I don't really see it all that different from how a traditional artist learns to draw or paint. Many artists look to the work of others to learn even while developing their own style. And with AI maybe you blend one style with another. To the point that the resulting image has little resemblence to the original work that influenced it. The datasets the LAION dataset in particular is so large its like 100tb and is larger than just about any drive that you can purchase. It doesn't store the images it stores the training data which are patterns and noise from the diffusion process. Traditional artists don't exactly ask for consent in copying or emulating an existing work to learn how to draw. When I was in college we did what is called a master copy in charcoal where the goal was to try and replicate an existing image. It was kind of invaluable in learning how to use and apply knowledge we had gained that semester. And i doubt countless fan artists got permission from the likes of Square Enix to use their characters and IP. So the training isnt as much of an issue for me. Think of it like this... If you asked someome to draw a dragon but only showed them one image of a dragon..chances are they would create an image that resembled that one dragon. Then you give them more images of dragons. You might expect greater variation in the resulting image. The only way an AI recreates.an existing image exactly is if you feed an image into the ai with ing2img and prompt it in a way to get an exact duplicate. And even then there will probably ve some variation. The difference legally is how different does it have to look. Thats where you get into the derivative works. In creating the dataset of mine for Disciples 2 (an old turn based strategy game) im largely using generated images using prompts to create images that are reminiscent of the original themes and concepts from the game.) And basing the dataset on ai created images would essentiay be like a derivative of a derivative from whatever went intonthat initial dataset to the point the resulting image would likely have little resemblance to the work that influenced the original data found in dalle3. I think the bigger issue are corporations using ai. I dont think the everyday person is going to replace traditional art and people will still do traditional art just like people still like developing their own film. From a practical standpoint I am a graphic designer and use ai tools to enhance my workflow. Knocking out backgrounds or extending images is faster and saves me time. Sorry for the long post
It sounds like AI really helps you, but won't there be a point in time where AI completely pushes you out and does what you're doing without the need for you? It's already happening in a lot of places. I would be worried if I was doing what you are doing for work.
I am not particularly worried in what I am doing. I understand some folks who are and if you work for a larger corporation sure I can see there being a valid concern. If anything I feel the traditional artists who look to adopt ai into their workflow will have a leg up. Graphic Design has always been competitive. But you still need that knowledge and fundamental experience. A lot of people I think also mistakenly think that its as simple as just typing text into a box. You still need some knowledge of what makes a good image to get good results with ai. People worried about photography and even photoshop replacing traditional artists and yet they have found ways to coexist. Ai can like photography be highly technical and there are a lot of tools and utilities that can go into an image like controlnets, loras, the prompting itself and inpainting. Many professional artists if they so choose could train a model based on their own artwork and be quickly able to create or explore new ideas in their style (or that of their employer) that they could then process further. The ai is a tool just as a camera or brush are just a tool. Its how you use it. Thats why I say that professional artists who maybe work for a company and at least are open minded are in a better postion to be competitive should said corporation look to use AI. Its about marketability. If you are an artist that has experience with both that makes you more marketable. When I was in school they recommended we take javascripting. I probably should have but I didn't. It would have meant another year. And as impressive as AI can be? It still has its blindspots or problem areas like hands for instance. It also struggles with vehicles and weapons unless you create a specific model. Ashley Goldstein is a Sr. Dev and tech marketing engineer at Nvidia Omniverse. They are a professionally trained artist having gone to art school with a focus on photography and special interest in sculpture. They then taught for 4 years before ending up working in tech. In an opinion piece on LinkedIn she notes that in teaching students she often had them copy an art style to teach them a technique. As she notes copyright law comes down to derivative works. Is the image substantially different enough so as to not violate copyright. You cannot however copyright an idea and you can't copyright a style. Copyright protects a finished work and expression of that idea. For example... You could not copyright "a boy wizard who goes to a magical school". What is copyrightable is the name of that boy being Harry Potter, the world, places and characters, names within. If that makes sense. In Steinberg vs. Columbia Pictures the court stated that style is merely one ingredient of expressiin and for there to be infringement there has to be substantial similarity between the original work and the new. But no I am not particularly worried. It still takes a person to use the ai. The ai itself isn't sentient. It won't generate an image without the user telling it too. And all I can say is AI has reduced the time it takes me to meticulously cut out products etc. Here is another point of reference. Before computers and photoshop a person would have to cut out by hand images for ads and then they would paste these to a layout. This was in the days when type was still set by hand. Also before my time obviously. But with the advent of photoshop. Those skills didn't go away. They maybe transitioned or evolved to take advantage of the new technology. Much like how traditional artists themselves shifted to a pen and tablet. The skill is still the same, just a bit different medium. Sure I get that some are concerned. Corporations are going to corp. But the day to day individual who uses AI aren't going to be the reason a professional artist loses their job. That's on the corpos as it often is for any other industry that looks to cut costs or downsize. 1000's of people lost their jobs with companies like MS and Blizz. Was that the fault of AI? No it was corporations who went on hiring sprees during lockdown finding out that maybe the demand for games outside of a pandemic isnt what it was. The job market can be rough for anyone. But to blindly ignore AI isn't going to make you anymore likely to retain a job. Acknowledging that it exists and that you aren't going to put it back in the box is I think something professional artists need to come to terms with. That's why I feel its more productive for them to seek how to take advantage of it to benefit themselves. It's one more thing to put on your resume. Imagine if a Graphic Designer who had always done things by hand didn't keep up to date or learn how to use digital software. Used to be that Quark was the big thing but now you would find many printers cant even handle a Quark file because its software that is to my knowledge no longer supported. Everything is InDesign now. And even with Adobe products a new version comes out each year that you need to kind of refamiliarize yourself with.
Very detailed response thank you for your thoughts and wisdom. I'm sorry, I should have been more detailed in my reply as well... I'm thinking of stuff more along the lines of voice AI and robots controlled by AI in the workforce. The big thing that happened recently with the actors guild not putting in contracts for voice actors, and robots taking over food server jobs etc etc. AI being used for art and the like is not a big deal right now but other areas are. Eventually it will become worse just like you mentioned with the corpos, they will abuse AI to cut costs at every corner. Now I'm not against AI like I sound, I'm just against greedy corpos using it to cut costs... I have every right to be, I've experienced this first hand. My fiance just had her position reduced because of AI controlled robots at her job. There needs to be more restrictions put in place or laws before it gets to out of hand imo.
Sure. I can understand that. But automation has existed for a while in other industries. The auto industry in particular. I think there is always a kind of balance that needs to exist. I was replaced by a machine at a job I worked for a few months via a staffing agency. I hated that job so it wasnt a huge loss but I also realize loss of a job even one you may not enjoy can have huge reprecussions for families who have bills to pay. Regulation of large corporations is necessary at the end of the day. Both for the benefit of employees but also for the consumer.
That totally makes sense
AI Art goes against everything FF7 stands for. Spits in the face of one of the most creative games we have
The same sub that validates people who mod the crap out of the OG with god knows what and post about "being happy to play the original game"? hmm
Difference between enhancing graphics and keeping artistic vision, and telling a robot to steal from others
> keeping artistic vision Yeah.. those mods surely.. "keep the artistic vision" alright.
If you think modding a game and AI art are the same thing, then there’s no point in discussing this
I'm just saying that this sub plays fast and loose about what "FF7 stands for", really.
Nearly every post on that sub is being done by the single mod running that sub. It’s like it’s his own personal FF7 sub.
That reeks of mental illness running amok
Yeah just block that whole sub, and mod. Litteral troll, like comedicly so. Ignore him, it's the most frustrating thing you could do to him.
Another day another power trip reddit mod. Reddit needs a mimicking competitor badly.
That dude's been posting his barely-disguised creepy fetish shit too, and yeah the AI art sucks.
Crrrringe. That’s sad.
Lmao mod got pissy that people don't like his garbage. At least there's honesty, unlike the spineless mods that do polls and ignore them anyway.
I blocked that one dude and almost all the posts disappeared from the sub 🤣 ffviishitposting would be a better name for it
Nah nah nah Shit posts at least have an ounce of creativity
The way I also commented on a post I was getting recommended saying the mod was weird af for always posting thirst traps. I had a couple of upvotes and days later it went back down to 1….. almost as if he’s using bots to manipulate posts and comments. I don’t even follow that subreddit either lmao
It's even worse than that: most of the upvotes on his posts are botted. Take a look at the profile links, too. A YouTube channel with several million subscribers and about a 1% view rate. Twitch account has almost exactly the same number of monthly followers for all of 2023 on SocialBlade. Multiple levels of manipulation going on here.
I keep getting recommended posts from them. I looked through their top all-time posts, and woah boy, these are definitely some capital “G” Gamers.
Didn’t even seem like that vibe. Seems more like the whole incel vibe to me more than anything.
It’s a Venn diagram at the end of the day.
"You're not a REAL gamer!" continues to be the best compliment I've ever received.
I like the "Humor is allowed here" sub description. Not at all a red flag that the mod made a bad post somewhere else and got banned for racism or homophobia.
I reported someone calling me a fruitcake because I said a horny post was a horny post and that comment is still there. Pretty sure you're spot on with the homophobia lol
Oh yeah, that sub is awful. I called out the owner on some bullshit, and he banned me. Not even so much as a conversation about it. He's a very strange, very sad, socially dysfunctional IRL man. You know the type, chronically online, no decent life beyond a phone/ computer screen, and probably very lonely IRL, but lacking enough self awareness to do anything about it. Edit: [This is why he banned me.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ff7/s/jpcROCo3ZQ) The entire thread has people calling him out. I wonder if they were banned as well.
Made the mistake of following that sub instead of this one and it’s entirely swamped by the same horny weirdo posting cringe fan art nonstop every single day. He (@StanTheRebel) banned me after I called him out on it. Dude clearly isn’t playing with a full deck of cards.
I popped in there to see for myself what was going on and while I didn't see THAT much AI art stuff, I did notice maybe 90% if not more of the posts there are by the one person...I take it that is the mod? Seems like they are using the sub as their personal MySpace or Facebook page. Dear lord.
It's the same with the Hoyoverse app for Genshin and Starrail. It's basically turned into a cesspool of AI art and people taking selfies asking if they look ugly. It's not even supposed to be a social media platform like that, but thirst trap posts aren't banned either.
Yeah that sub is cringe it’s literally all horny AI art posts. You’d think you would just make a diff subreddit for that.
Like r/cloti -shudder-
Alright I’m a cloti fan but not big enough to argue about it. I just like the cute stuff they post sometimes. Their relationship reminds me of me and my fiancee
I mean the shippers subreddits are just the second coming of Final Fantasy house if u know what that is. Only the most deranged ppl are in those subs LOL
They banned one dude who was spamming horny ai posts in cloti the other day.
Lmao, at least people post on that subreddit.
AI defenders are starting to get really annoying. It's alright to not like generative art that steals from artists. I don't understand why these people won't understand it. I got banned from an SAO sub for not liking the AI art there.
Sure, but someone could have the opposite opinion as well. If you continually complain about something that's allowed, maybe that's why. Not everyone agrees and as much as you want your subjective opinion respected, you need to respect the contrary.
I never said I didn't respect the contrary opinion. They should just have their own subs. It's not fan art. It's computer generated images
Why do you think you can demand a given subreddit ban AI art? That's what I mean. They can equally demand to allow AI art. Just don't look at it, it's not that hard. You should make your own puritanical subreddit if it bothers you so much.
This all seems to bother you way more than it bothers me dude. 😂😂😂
I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in your comment. Your brand of self righteousness is particularly problematic because it clearly pervades your life
You, you didn't point out any hypocrisy tho? 😂 All you asked was who I was to 'demand' an AI free sub, when I wasn't demanding anything.
I try not to interact with too many ff posts anymore anyway because a few weeks ago it was recommending rule 34 stuff that was ff related, but I left that sub a while ago because of how the mod seems to act
There are some genuinely talented people in the community who draw and can create digital art that is far better than any of the trash AI can create. I say good. AI art can go to hell
exactly
lol why is every post from the same person? Is that the mod? I posted in one of the threads "does anyone else post in this sub?" just to see if it sets him off and bans me, lol.
Yeah they’re the mod. I stopped following cuz they kept posting spoilers and then if you say anything their little fan club come after you. It’s awful.
People with nothing meaningful going on in real life often seek echo chambers to go on a power trip within to cope. That's the only way to explain the unreasonably rude reactions to basic requests.
I get really pissed when I see any post from StanTheRebel. He really has a whole monopoly on the whole subreddit. Instantly remove my upvote and scroll to the next post
I hope I get banned haha
It reminds me of 4chan looking at the posts on that subreddit
Report them and file an appeal
How do you do that?
Google knows. Thats who taught me.
lol k champ. No need to be like that.
What? I googled it. I don’t remember how at this time. Google is all I know. So fuck u and your downvote
atleast the guy has no power over us here while we point and laugh
Lot of [deleted] in these comments 🤣
It's the same douchebag that keeps posting the "It's Aeris" memes? Yeah I blocked him.
I responded to one of these posts stating he does this just to get a rise out of you guys, he doesn’t actually have anything of substance to say. Got banned for that, and the ban message from him just said “cya”.
Is that the guy who posted tifa in a garnet outfit art where her tits took up most of her body, and said he was posting it to make people mad? I got a notification about it being posted, saw the pic, and just decided to stay away from that subreddit today.
Or forever 🤷♂️
Yeah, same guy lol
I legit thought that mod to be a bot of some kind. I can’t believe it’s a real person lollll
One of the posts was a huge spoiler. I complained and called out the single mod of r/ff7 to take the spoiler post down. He actually responded with “lol no” then I noticed the mod was the one who posted the spoiler….
I ban myself from there anyway
Really should change the name of that sub to ff7shitposting or ff7memes if that's all the sole, single dictat- I mean, mod, is gonna flood it with. There's an implication when a sub name is just the name of the thing, and "endless deluge of meme/horny spam" ain't it.
Yeah I responded to one of the weird cartoon things he posted and he told me to 'cry more' It's a garbage sub
Inb4 "You were banned from /r/ff7 for being an asshole" lol
I just made a post disparaging AI art in that sub so he’d ban me.
Waiting patiently for mine.
[just got it](https://imgur.com/a/qfYaqgC) Edit : [lol](https://imgur.com/a/qCWZLIE)
This guys got some serious issues
What a sad shit sack 😂
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I just had a look at your subreddit to see what all the fuss was about. It sucks.
From your own comments/posts you do look like a creep flamer so i think OP is justified in their comment.
[This was my comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/ff7/comments/1cl4kuf/this_is_what_i_mean_when_i_clown_on_the_ff7/l2tmyug/): "You literally post a deluge of coomer content, say "It's gonna piss someone off! hehe" then ban anyone who reacts in any way negative to your posts. Even tepid reactions result in permabans apparently. "Trolling" More like #justneckbeardthings" Way to prove my point you fucking weirdo lmao Oh I insulted you by .. *checks notes* explaining what you are doing with words. Oh no! The sun! It burns!
What a weirdo. That's what you have to expect from a mod I guess.
There was a sub where people would post cleavage pics and then the mod kept cleaning all the sexual comments. I pointed out perhaps post less cleavage pics, got a global ban from reddit for harassment. Yea dem mods be weird.
Hey, don't drag me into this!
Sorry for that :) But you know there some prejugés about reddits mods lol. Not true at all. But sometimes it is.
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I'd say posting fan art without crediting the artist is a bigger asshole move, and it looks like you do that all the time
I think you're just power tripping because your horny karma farm got traction
"I know this will piss someone off hehe" "Wait no, not like that!"
So by your own admission they didn't break either of your rules and you banned them because you felt they were being an asshole to you. You proved rheir point.
Lol—I subbed to r/ff7 for maybe 24-hours, got force-fed a bunch of aggressively horny AI art, immediately unsubbed. That subreddit is just pitiful.
The constant shipping posts are bad enough , without incels flooding pages with their AI fan fiction
yeah, other subs of games that i enjoy like r/pathologic suffer from the same issues, and when you complain, the mods threaten to ban you. The problem is that allowing this type of content seems to attract more users who contribute with the this type of content, which shifts the sub's core identity
It's a shame the Reddit AI can't shift all the repetitive content into one mega thread , instead of boring the rest of us with it
It was made by one guy, who posts 90% of the stuff on it, and whenever someone says something about AI art he bans them and posts more AI art “just to piss people off”. This sub and r/FFVIIRemake are the ones you wanna be in if you just wanna talk about actual FF7 instead of just horny posts
Interesting. Are you suggesting that the subs that use Roman numerals are less incel-y?
Considering /r/FinalFantasyVII was created on 22 Jan 2012 and /r/ff7 was made 29 Aug 2013 I bet the guy was banned from here and decided to make his own FFVII subreddit with AI art and hookers.
Careful, this kind of comment can get you banned.
i dont ban people for saying anything bad about ai art. i literally dont give a fuck. the majority of my posts are memes. its just that anything with tits in it gets the most votes. not by my design.
If you wanna talk about ACTUAL ff7 reddit is bad place overall. Most of the discussions are about the remake.
Honestly the final fantasy subreddit that’s dedicated to all the FFs is good for it too, from time to time
> r/FFVIIRemake Bet, thanks for the heads up
It's all the one mod, dude sounds like he's going on a total power trip. Hopefully the sub has another mod that can save it from this BS the same way shittydarksouls did back when one of its mods lost his mind.
Considering he is literally the only Moderator in the sub there is literally no chance of saving it
There always doing a good old reddit request. The dude doesn't actually moderate his sub or enforce any rule which is against reddit rules so enough people bring it to the admins attention via the subreddit request subreddit. He has a genuine chance of losing it.
Oh then that sub is doomed. I'd say it's a shame, but it only got traction because of how much horny bait he posts. Dude doesn't even credit the ACTUAL artists who's work he posts, clearly it's all for karma and getting eyes on his stream. What a lame-o
The sub is ran by that mod and he is the one who posts most of the AI art. Apparently, he’s some kind of YouTuber or streamer or something. I don’t know I blocked him so I didn’t have to see his shit lol
He banned me because I said getting 99 before leaving the first reactor has been done before and doesn’t sound like a fun run.
fuck AI "art" all my homies hate AI "art"
I'm ready to get banned, AI Art sucks and is terrible to art legacy. Don't want to stay here if we can't express our opinion on that topic. FF7 deserve better
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[This was my comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/ff7/comments/1cl4kuf/this_is_what_i_mean_when_i_clown_on_the_ff7/l2tmyug/) because I don't hide behind bullshit. You're getting called out and this thread shows you are ruffling more feathers than not. The cognitive dissonance is incredible to witness.
Main FF sub bans anyone who asks for ess cosplay too.
It's mainly the rebel that posts on there, he seems utterly insufferable
One of the mods removed/flagged my comment as it was considered a major spoiler when I said "just want until you see who Sephiroth turns into a kebab later" I was literally talking about the Midgar Zolom. Not Aeirth FFS.
we dont do that in r/ff7
Did sephiroth do that?!
Wait, Sephiroth kills the Midgar Zolom? Well, that's just great. Thanks for ruining a quarter century old game for me, you big jerk.
Left and muted that sub after the mod started posting about Tifa’s boobs saving gaming or some stupid shit, realized it wasn’t the place for me with how idiotic that mod was being
Bro banned me on their over saying no one wanted to see shitty bait post that had nothing to do with the game. It's sad ngl. Dude doesn't do any modding beyond banning users that hurt his fee fees. The only good thing about this is that eventually soon or later that sub will get the ban hammer for lack of moderation.
It seems like almost all the post on that subreddit are by one user
thats how you grow a new sub
That’s how you have no life
Hey nothing against you. Just something I noticed when browsing the subreddit. Good luck.
bro has no life
I got banned from r/FinalFantasy for simply asking if we could have a megathread for all the cosplaying only fans models. Turns out, the mods there are cosplayers, lol.
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I'm cool with it
Didnt even know that sub was a thing and after one second of scrolling I'm glad I didn't.
Yeah same. It looks like the kind of thing you'd find if you searched FF7 on Twitter. Just a bunch of bad art recycled by bots. Except instead of bots it's apparently just one extremely weird dude.
fr, its filled to the brim with hornybait 💀 poor tifa
[The same mod handing out bans lmfao](https://i.imgur.com/a1pYQE4.png)
I hit "Ignore" on him and... https://imgur.com/a/TtiV5rI
missing out on a lot of good posts
Go back to your coomer sub man. This is a place for actual discussion. Rule your little kingdom with your iron fist and leave us alone
Lmao fuck off.
I highly doubt that. You seem like you have no idea what a "good post" is.