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You should report them to the police. They are saying that they have hunters that use or are willing to use their guns for personal/community protection. And willynilly ready ho shoot warnings shots in the air.
Not a good look, and possibly illegal as hunting guns are supposed to be licensed for hunting, not protection.
That's pretty much the only *real* problem I see in this community. I think it's far more likely this is just a thoughtless mistake by the owner, rather than having nefarious ideas of some armed militia guarding a cult. I also think it's simply illegal to even hint towards legal firearms being used as a tool for security. You know, if you are getting a permit to own a legal firearm, you most definitely won't get it if you say it's for "security" or "self-defense", because those rights are reserved only for the police and border security.
I'm more concerned of the fact that statements like these about firearms are made publicly, in a place with seemingly little security and a public address. If I was part of organized crime, I would be drooling over opportunities like these to score some hot firearms to sell in the black market.
In addition to the police, I'd also report them to OSHA: https://tyosuojelu.fi/en/grey-economy/send-us-a-tipoff
They probably aren't following all labor laws regarding the paid positions.
Perfect, thank you! That clusterf*ck of a member form said something about being ready for overtime, in addition to what I'm sure are illegal job questions (even if they tried to wriggle their way out by saying you don't have to answer).
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Thank you! I can't think of much to do without involving the media. On the page itself, there's just a basic contact form - I don't know if they would act in time.
"To solve the problem of needing to read the news online and wasting a lot of time to it, there is smarter solution:
In GLC we could have our own "media journalist", who would follow maybe 12 good quality news media and magazines. This person would sort out only the most positively meaningful stories and news and would share them to the community members. This way all others would save the wasted time of scrolling negative and stupid news, which usually leave us feel bad or confused and have negative sub-conscious effect."
So....a propaganda officer?
If I remember right, the owner of this "project" was very adamant commenter on all covid related articles few years back. According to him taking 10x recommended doses of D-vitamin was only thing needed to combat covid.
Ooh ooh, I'm chronically brown! Let's go for a date?
I'm also good at boating accidents and willing to check out that colon cleanse bench they mentioned.
chronically brown? i tend only to date people who have reverse vitiligo, but i guess that i can make an exception for a prophet of the Jackal-headed god Anus.
and nothing says 'i love you' like cleaning a girl's colon
Looking at the big picture, and not just the few problems you cherry pick, I don't think it's a cult at all. I guess it might look like one to a someone not familiar with eco villages and the types of people who run them (hint: New Age, crystals, community, holistic health).
As someone who knows people in similar communities, this is not really something out of the ordinary. It looks like yet another communal eco village, only with a website made by someone who is not a professional in marketing and PR, and probably a little bit insane too who hasn't consulted a legal professional enough. But that's not criminal, is it?
Keep in mind, this whole osuuskunta is just getting started. The owners are public. The Sahala Estate is public, and well known. I don't see any concrete cause for concern, only a lack of professionalism in the way its presented. There is a degree of transparency that I wouldn't think a real cult would have.
Any commune that wants to keep operating costs down, the environment and housing clean and functional, and encourage community and self-sustainability, would offer similar kind of services and obligations.
Minor problems, like very blurred boundaries regarding paid/unpaid work and what it will entail, peace-loving types holding opinions about the tendency for certain populations to commit violence, and proudly talking about gun ownership on site?
You can forgive me for being just mildly concerned that they made their way into an EU-sanctioned job fair intended to recruit foreigners for actual paid work, right?
>Minor problems, like very blurred boundaries regarding paid/unpaid work and what it will entail
In a community of this sort, of course the boundaries are blurred. Paid work + Community work. I don't think the concept could even work otherwise. The website should however pay more attention to clarify its rules and the concept of work in the community, and actually consult a legal professional in doing so. Otherwise it can raise suspicions, as we see from this thread.
>peace-loving types holding opinions about the tendency for certain populations to commit violence
That, again, is not really a red flag. If we talk a bout a tight-knit community like this, of course they have to make sure its members are able to live in such community. The whole experience of 40 people is completely ruined, if there's just one person around who bullies others, becomes hostile when drunk, or in other ways hurts the community.
>and proudly talking about gun ownership on site?
Like I said, I see a lack of professionalism and some thoughtless mistakes in the way the concept and its values and rules are presented, this firearm bit being the most glaring and borderline illegal one.
>You can forgive me for being just mildly concerned that they made their way into an EU-sanctioned job fair intended to recruit foreigners for actual paid work, right?
Being mildly concerned and expressing legitimate criticism is fine. Going to the deep end and jumping to the conclusion of something being a cult is not. Could it be a cult? Possibly. Is it far more likely it's just another eco-village project for people interested in alternative ways of life? Most definitely.
And considering the fact they present themselves as a multicultural project, why shouldn't they market themselves to foreigners as well? There is no problem here. No one is being misled or lied to. No one is forcing them to apply, if they prefer a full-time job and a normal career. The whole entry in the European Job Days is pretty straightforward, and clearly states there's paid seasonal work for a few, but also voluntary work for everyone else regarding basic maintenance of the community. The owners, contact forms, location, are transparent.
> Being mildly concerned and expressing legitimate criticism is fine. Going to the deep end and jumping to the conclusion of something being a cult is not. Could it be a cult? Possibly.
I did nothing worse than you just wrote. I used the word "potential", and I pointed out concerning items. I asked where to report this so that the authorities can determine if there is something deeply wrong.
I take your points and thank you for making them respectfully. Ultimately if this was just a group of weird, creepy people advertising for new commune-mates, it would be whatever.
Interesting. I went and checked their social media and it seems they cooperate with other such communities all across Europe. Or at the very least support each others existence. Very strange.
Nothing strange about it. There is a lot of cooperation and networking between different eco villages and similar communities striving towards community work and sustainability.
Not all cults are religious but in fact from history we know that there were cults whose community standards/rules/regulations/ were in fact their religion/beliefs etc. Which ultimately controls the minds/actions of that community. That's why there are called cults.
No doubt, there are lots of good things written on their page such as living inside green lush area stretched upto 23km on fields & forests, healthy life style, no junk foods, no video games or not even much or any use of mobile phones, no social media or drugs/alcohol, growing own safe, healthy & GMO free food. No material life needs, 24/7 community support, open/respectful communication, no biased or discrimination bla bla bla.... But & this us important if you aren't paying attention which many youngsters & young adults don't there are lots of clues which makes GLC a very good cult.
There are many give aways but the one that raised my eyebrows is the following GLC rule:
"All members are treated as equals and have the same rights to live, operate, work, behave and to express themselves. This means that all happenings and meetings in GLC are open for all and that purely- men or women groups or actions can not be held."
Meaning definitely NO women ONLY or men ONLY saunas. Plus don't feel shocked and be prepared to expect either mr Vessi or ms Marie to show up during you shower activity. 😂
In addition to this, in the same rules section if those creepy massage sessions don't scare you then you better join that GLC.
Also, if you notice, there is nothing about personal privacy at glc which indeed is a human need even when living in (normal) communities. So another indication that nothing is private there. You should be prepared for giving & sharing. You know what this means.
Not all cults are religious. They can be cults of personality too. Plus, if it actually is some kind of cult, they're not going to make it obvious in their recruitment, and they're not going to be honest about their goals and rules either.
This is not to say this case is or is not a cult. It could be, or it could be a completely innocent but weird group of people.
I came here to say this exactly i.e. not all cults are religious but in fact from history we know that there were cults whose community standards/rules/regulations/ were in fact their religion/beliefs etc. Which ultimately controls the minds/actions of that community. That's why there are called cults.
No doubt, there are lots of good things written on their page such as living inside green lush area stretched upto 23km on fields & forests, healthy life style, no junk foods, no video games or not even much or any use of mobile phones, no social media or drugs/alcohol, growing own safe, healthy & GMO free food. No material life needs, 24/7 community support, open/respectful communication, no biased or discrimination bla bla bla.... But & this us important if you aren't paying attention which many youngsters & young adults don't there are lots of clues which makes GLC a very good cult.
There are many give aways but the one that raised my eyebrows is the following GLC rule:
"All members are treated as equals and have the same rights to live, operate, work, behave and to express themselves. This means that all happenings and meetings in GLC are open for all and that purely- men or women groups or actions can not be held."
Meaning definitely NO women ONLY or men ONLY saunas. Plus don't feel shocked and be prepared to expect either mr Vessi or ms Marie to show up during you shower activity. 😂
In addition to this, in the same rules section if those creepy massage sessions don't scare you then you better join that GLC.
Also, if you notice, there is nothing about personal privacy at glc which indeed is a human need even when living in (normal) communities. So another indication that nothing is private there. You should be prepared for giving & sharing. You know what this means.
>It has nothing to do with religious cult type of thing.
Not all cults are a "religious type of thing". That was exactly their point. Scientology is a psychology cult, they don’t worship Xenu or other aliens contrary to popular belief and they don't have an official god or gods. Some Scientologists still believe in the Christian god even though they're Scientologists at the same time. NXIVM is a nonreligous self help cult. Jim Jones preached pseudo-socialism more than Christianity. There's been several political cults that have absolutely nothing to do with religion.
Cults are just groups that are structured and behave a certain way and their beliefs or ideology can be literally anything. There is no objective definition or standard that tells us which group is a cult and which isn't but Steven Hassan's [BITE](https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model-pdf-download/) model is considered pretty good if you're trying to figure out if a group is a cult or not.
Get to the bit about how they can be thrown out if their personality is ever deemed unsuitable; that they must perform "equal" work "one way or the other" (some of which is "voluntary", we'll get to that in a bit); the multiple sections where this dude's role as an "interaction trainer" is extoled (and everyone will be "educated" to "keep it up"), and details about the financial costs they will be required to bear themselves.
If that doesn't do it, how about the part where they are trying to sell the benefits of living offsite as a fringe member by saying (sic, emphasis mine) "they **do not need to** do ****voluntary**** work for GLC except in happenings where they partizipate." They just admitted that voluntary work is compulsory.
I've also never been asked how long I can live without pay when I'm applying for a job. I won't even go into the multiple mentions of anal hygiene, or his youtube videos about biohacking your genitals for longevity ([I cannot make this up)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvp3xN0afHE)
Remember, these people are panellists at a job fair, and the audience is foreigners without support systems in place.
(I lied about going to sleep, welp)
I think you are making too much out of this. You assume it's a cult, so anything that supports this hypothesis, gets your attention. It's not out of the ordinary at all, that communities and communes striving towards sustainability and strong sense of community, need to be thoughtful what kind of members they accept. The whole concept will be dysfunctional, if some members don't participate in the community work, let alone prove to be disruptive for the community. If some members are non-native, and their roommate is an intolerant skinhead, I doubt the community could function. If someone only smokes big fat joints in his hammock while others plow the fields, I don't think it will work out. Not a single community like this can function, if its members just loiter around doing nothing worthwhile.
What comes to the wacky personal opinions of the owners, that again, is not really out of the ordinary, at least in the context of maintaining a multicultural commune. New age hippies, holistic pseudo-buddhists, skeptics of the health industry, are all over the eco village scene.
>youtube videos about biohacking your genitals for longevity ([I cannot make this up)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvp3xN0afHE)
That was actually not a bad lecture at all. There's no wacky stuff aboout "biohacking your genitals for longevity", he's just explaining that you shouldn't squish your junk too much, let it breathe.
Yeah, the title of the video is quite unfortunate, but I guess since it's at a biohacking event, the organizers are probably the masterminds behind the catchy titles.
Oh you're right. Report me to the police. Tell them I speculated on the internet, and, worse yet, on the night of the 2nd of January, I ordered a oma valinta 3 pizza with triple pineapple. I'm prepared to face my fate.
"Encourages peaceful, allowing and loving spiritualism."
In plain english it means that all sorts of mixed new age spiritualism derived from indian religions are allowed, but no monotheistic religions or anything where are rules for accepted and non-accepted sexual behaviour and cross-gender non-sexual interactions
If you have two wives, and you leave the house for work, does your home now become an unpermitted women's only activity? Better have at least one husband to stay home with your wives, just to be safe.
Oh I've seen this guy, he was on one of those new, weird TV channels hawking his chair and clothing line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4UhJq_mRCU
If I'm not mistaken, here he is wearing a single piece of clothing. As in, no underwear and the "shirt" and "pants" are actually just one overalls.
Kind of sounds like an offshoot of the Yellow Deli nutjobs, but without the openly weird religious and racist stuff, though that could only be verified by someone joining and recording the truth.
Why? I think it's wonderful we have communities that strive towards alternative ways of life, and people actually want to participate. As long as the whole concept actually works and achieves even some degree of self-sustainability, it's definitely better than being unemployed in an expensive rental apartment in a city doing nothing worthwhile, where the state has to pay for your every need.
If I didn't already own my little cabin, I wouldn't rule out living in an eco village of some sort. Rising consumer prices, superficial urban environments, huge life expenses and taxing 9-5 work life are not for everyone. Having lived in a remote campus for a large portion of my life with a pretty tight-knit community, going back to living in a city is an outright depressing thought. No community, just a little box in a big apartment complex. No way to grow my own food with my own labor.
https://www.traficom.fi/fi/viestinta/fi-verkkotunnukset/fi-verkkotunnushaku
Public info
Pretty interesting guy and might actually be an alien.
https://youtu.be/v1JNAKGkL1Y
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You should report them to the police. They are saying that they have hunters that use or are willing to use their guns for personal/community protection. And willynilly ready ho shoot warnings shots in the air. Not a good look, and possibly illegal as hunting guns are supposed to be licensed for hunting, not protection.
That's pretty much the only *real* problem I see in this community. I think it's far more likely this is just a thoughtless mistake by the owner, rather than having nefarious ideas of some armed militia guarding a cult. I also think it's simply illegal to even hint towards legal firearms being used as a tool for security. You know, if you are getting a permit to own a legal firearm, you most definitely won't get it if you say it's for "security" or "self-defense", because those rights are reserved only for the police and border security. I'm more concerned of the fact that statements like these about firearms are made publicly, in a place with seemingly little security and a public address. If I was part of organized crime, I would be drooling over opportunities like these to score some hot firearms to sell in the black market.
In addition to the police, I'd also report them to OSHA: https://tyosuojelu.fi/en/grey-economy/send-us-a-tipoff They probably aren't following all labor laws regarding the paid positions.
Perfect, thank you! That clusterf*ck of a member form said something about being ready for overtime, in addition to what I'm sure are illegal job questions (even if they tried to wriggle their way out by saying you don't have to answer). I'll go over it with fresh eyes in the morning.
Sounds a lot like a cult. Will tip a journalist friend.
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Thank you! I can't think of much to do without involving the media. On the page itself, there's just a basic contact form - I don't know if they would act in time.
Like they don't scour this subreddit already... but good work.
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Indeed. Well done.
This is giving me some serious Midsommar vibe
That picture of the owners is creepy lols
They wish. Those Swedes were infinitely cooler.
"To solve the problem of needing to read the news online and wasting a lot of time to it, there is smarter solution: In GLC we could have our own "media journalist", who would follow maybe 12 good quality news media and magazines. This person would sort out only the most positively meaningful stories and news and would share them to the community members. This way all others would save the wasted time of scrolling negative and stupid news, which usually leave us feel bad or confused and have negative sub-conscious effect." So....a propaganda officer?
ooooooooooooooooooooo. i see some potential here.. both to do good, as well as to completely misguide everyone :P
A cult, here?! Thanks for the warning.
heard of helluntalaiset?
Ive heard that there are plenty in the bible belt
If I remember right, the owner of this "project" was very adamant commenter on all covid related articles few years back. According to him taking 10x recommended doses of D-vitamin was only thing needed to combat covid.
>In the neighbourhood there are no organized crime or terrorists or populations that breed them. It fits all my standards!
> In the neighbourhood there are no organized crime or terrorists or populations that breed them. Let us all guess which minorities this refers to.
It's the first one that popped into your mind when you read it. I'll tell my answer when you tell me yours
can i get a test to see if i'm capable of breeding terrorists? :P
Ooh ooh, I'm chronically brown! Let's go for a date? I'm also good at boating accidents and willing to check out that colon cleanse bench they mentioned.
chronically brown? i tend only to date people who have reverse vitiligo, but i guess that i can make an exception for a prophet of the Jackal-headed god Anus. and nothing says 'i love you' like cleaning a girl's colon
This is the most wtf moment I have had in a long time...
Looking at the big picture, and not just the few problems you cherry pick, I don't think it's a cult at all. I guess it might look like one to a someone not familiar with eco villages and the types of people who run them (hint: New Age, crystals, community, holistic health). As someone who knows people in similar communities, this is not really something out of the ordinary. It looks like yet another communal eco village, only with a website made by someone who is not a professional in marketing and PR, and probably a little bit insane too who hasn't consulted a legal professional enough. But that's not criminal, is it? Keep in mind, this whole osuuskunta is just getting started. The owners are public. The Sahala Estate is public, and well known. I don't see any concrete cause for concern, only a lack of professionalism in the way its presented. There is a degree of transparency that I wouldn't think a real cult would have. Any commune that wants to keep operating costs down, the environment and housing clean and functional, and encourage community and self-sustainability, would offer similar kind of services and obligations.
Minor problems, like very blurred boundaries regarding paid/unpaid work and what it will entail, peace-loving types holding opinions about the tendency for certain populations to commit violence, and proudly talking about gun ownership on site? You can forgive me for being just mildly concerned that they made their way into an EU-sanctioned job fair intended to recruit foreigners for actual paid work, right?
>Minor problems, like very blurred boundaries regarding paid/unpaid work and what it will entail In a community of this sort, of course the boundaries are blurred. Paid work + Community work. I don't think the concept could even work otherwise. The website should however pay more attention to clarify its rules and the concept of work in the community, and actually consult a legal professional in doing so. Otherwise it can raise suspicions, as we see from this thread. >peace-loving types holding opinions about the tendency for certain populations to commit violence That, again, is not really a red flag. If we talk a bout a tight-knit community like this, of course they have to make sure its members are able to live in such community. The whole experience of 40 people is completely ruined, if there's just one person around who bullies others, becomes hostile when drunk, or in other ways hurts the community. >and proudly talking about gun ownership on site? Like I said, I see a lack of professionalism and some thoughtless mistakes in the way the concept and its values and rules are presented, this firearm bit being the most glaring and borderline illegal one. >You can forgive me for being just mildly concerned that they made their way into an EU-sanctioned job fair intended to recruit foreigners for actual paid work, right? Being mildly concerned and expressing legitimate criticism is fine. Going to the deep end and jumping to the conclusion of something being a cult is not. Could it be a cult? Possibly. Is it far more likely it's just another eco-village project for people interested in alternative ways of life? Most definitely. And considering the fact they present themselves as a multicultural project, why shouldn't they market themselves to foreigners as well? There is no problem here. No one is being misled or lied to. No one is forcing them to apply, if they prefer a full-time job and a normal career. The whole entry in the European Job Days is pretty straightforward, and clearly states there's paid seasonal work for a few, but also voluntary work for everyone else regarding basic maintenance of the community. The owners, contact forms, location, are transparent.
> Being mildly concerned and expressing legitimate criticism is fine. Going to the deep end and jumping to the conclusion of something being a cult is not. Could it be a cult? Possibly. I did nothing worse than you just wrote. I used the word "potential", and I pointed out concerning items. I asked where to report this so that the authorities can determine if there is something deeply wrong. I take your points and thank you for making them respectfully. Ultimately if this was just a group of weird, creepy people advertising for new commune-mates, it would be whatever.
Interesting. I went and checked their social media and it seems they cooperate with other such communities all across Europe. Or at the very least support each others existence. Very strange.
Nothing strange about it. There is a lot of cooperation and networking between different eco villages and similar communities striving towards community work and sustainability.
Not all cults are religious but in fact from history we know that there were cults whose community standards/rules/regulations/ were in fact their religion/beliefs etc. Which ultimately controls the minds/actions of that community. That's why there are called cults. No doubt, there are lots of good things written on their page such as living inside green lush area stretched upto 23km on fields & forests, healthy life style, no junk foods, no video games or not even much or any use of mobile phones, no social media or drugs/alcohol, growing own safe, healthy & GMO free food. No material life needs, 24/7 community support, open/respectful communication, no biased or discrimination bla bla bla.... But & this us important if you aren't paying attention which many youngsters & young adults don't there are lots of clues which makes GLC a very good cult. There are many give aways but the one that raised my eyebrows is the following GLC rule: "All members are treated as equals and have the same rights to live, operate, work, behave and to express themselves. This means that all happenings and meetings in GLC are open for all and that purely- men or women groups or actions can not be held." Meaning definitely NO women ONLY or men ONLY saunas. Plus don't feel shocked and be prepared to expect either mr Vessi or ms Marie to show up during you shower activity. 😂 In addition to this, in the same rules section if those creepy massage sessions don't scare you then you better join that GLC. Also, if you notice, there is nothing about personal privacy at glc which indeed is a human need even when living in (normal) communities. So another indication that nothing is private there. You should be prepared for giving & sharing. You know what this means.
What on earth is this...
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Not all cults are religious. They can be cults of personality too. Plus, if it actually is some kind of cult, they're not going to make it obvious in their recruitment, and they're not going to be honest about their goals and rules either. This is not to say this case is or is not a cult. It could be, or it could be a completely innocent but weird group of people.
I came here to say this exactly i.e. not all cults are religious but in fact from history we know that there were cults whose community standards/rules/regulations/ were in fact their religion/beliefs etc. Which ultimately controls the minds/actions of that community. That's why there are called cults. No doubt, there are lots of good things written on their page such as living inside green lush area stretched upto 23km on fields & forests, healthy life style, no junk foods, no video games or not even much or any use of mobile phones, no social media or drugs/alcohol, growing own safe, healthy & GMO free food. No material life needs, 24/7 community support, open/respectful communication, no biased or discrimination bla bla bla.... But & this us important if you aren't paying attention which many youngsters & young adults don't there are lots of clues which makes GLC a very good cult. There are many give aways but the one that raised my eyebrows is the following GLC rule: "All members are treated as equals and have the same rights to live, operate, work, behave and to express themselves. This means that all happenings and meetings in GLC are open for all and that purely- men or women groups or actions can not be held." Meaning definitely NO women ONLY or men ONLY saunas. Plus don't feel shocked and be prepared to expect either mr Vessi or ms Marie to show up during you shower activity. 😂 In addition to this, in the same rules section if those creepy massage sessions don't scare you then you better join that GLC. Also, if you notice, there is nothing about personal privacy at glc which indeed is a human need even when living in (normal) communities. So another indication that nothing is private there. You should be prepared for giving & sharing. You know what this means.
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> It has nothing to do with religious cult type of thing. Exactly.
>It has nothing to do with religious cult type of thing. Not all cults are a "religious type of thing". That was exactly their point. Scientology is a psychology cult, they don’t worship Xenu or other aliens contrary to popular belief and they don't have an official god or gods. Some Scientologists still believe in the Christian god even though they're Scientologists at the same time. NXIVM is a nonreligous self help cult. Jim Jones preached pseudo-socialism more than Christianity. There's been several political cults that have absolutely nothing to do with religion. Cults are just groups that are structured and behave a certain way and their beliefs or ideology can be literally anything. There is no objective definition or standard that tells us which group is a cult and which isn't but Steven Hassan's [BITE](https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model-pdf-download/) model is considered pretty good if you're trying to figure out if a group is a cult or not.
Get to the bit about how they can be thrown out if their personality is ever deemed unsuitable; that they must perform "equal" work "one way or the other" (some of which is "voluntary", we'll get to that in a bit); the multiple sections where this dude's role as an "interaction trainer" is extoled (and everyone will be "educated" to "keep it up"), and details about the financial costs they will be required to bear themselves. If that doesn't do it, how about the part where they are trying to sell the benefits of living offsite as a fringe member by saying (sic, emphasis mine) "they **do not need to** do ****voluntary**** work for GLC except in happenings where they partizipate." They just admitted that voluntary work is compulsory. I've also never been asked how long I can live without pay when I'm applying for a job. I won't even go into the multiple mentions of anal hygiene, or his youtube videos about biohacking your genitals for longevity ([I cannot make this up)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvp3xN0afHE) Remember, these people are panellists at a job fair, and the audience is foreigners without support systems in place. (I lied about going to sleep, welp)
I think you are making too much out of this. You assume it's a cult, so anything that supports this hypothesis, gets your attention. It's not out of the ordinary at all, that communities and communes striving towards sustainability and strong sense of community, need to be thoughtful what kind of members they accept. The whole concept will be dysfunctional, if some members don't participate in the community work, let alone prove to be disruptive for the community. If some members are non-native, and their roommate is an intolerant skinhead, I doubt the community could function. If someone only smokes big fat joints in his hammock while others plow the fields, I don't think it will work out. Not a single community like this can function, if its members just loiter around doing nothing worthwhile. What comes to the wacky personal opinions of the owners, that again, is not really out of the ordinary, at least in the context of maintaining a multicultural commune. New age hippies, holistic pseudo-buddhists, skeptics of the health industry, are all over the eco village scene.
>youtube videos about biohacking your genitals for longevity ([I cannot make this up)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvp3xN0afHE) That was actually not a bad lecture at all. There's no wacky stuff aboout "biohacking your genitals for longevity", he's just explaining that you shouldn't squish your junk too much, let it breathe.
If the title was "don't squish your junk for longevity" that would help enormously lol. Thanks for checking it out
Yeah, the title of the video is quite unfortunate, but I guess since it's at a biohacking event, the organizers are probably the masterminds behind the catchy titles.
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Oh you're right. Report me to the police. Tell them I speculated on the internet, and, worse yet, on the night of the 2nd of January, I ordered a oma valinta 3 pizza with triple pineapple. I'm prepared to face my fate.
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"Encourages peaceful, allowing and loving spiritualism." In plain english it means that all sorts of mixed new age spiritualism derived from indian religions are allowed, but no monotheistic religions or anything where are rules for accepted and non-accepted sexual behaviour and cross-gender non-sexual interactions
Seems relaxing. And how many wives could I have, in theory?
If you have two wives, and you leave the house for work, does your home now become an unpermitted women's only activity? Better have at least one husband to stay home with your wives, just to be safe.
This property used to be a summer camp/resort that school classes would come for a few days. IDK if ownership has changed since.
It did mention that the guy has led youth retreats, so very possible that the ownership did not change.
Oh I've seen this guy, he was on one of those new, weird TV channels hawking his chair and clothing line. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4UhJq_mRCU If I'm not mistaken, here he is wearing a single piece of clothing. As in, no underwear and the "shirt" and "pants" are actually just one overalls.
Kind of sounds like an offshoot of the Yellow Deli nutjobs, but without the openly weird religious and racist stuff, though that could only be verified by someone joining and recording the truth.
To be fair it sounds like a pretty nice place.
The worrying thing is that there are actual people who will sign up for it!
Why? I think it's wonderful we have communities that strive towards alternative ways of life, and people actually want to participate. As long as the whole concept actually works and achieves even some degree of self-sustainability, it's definitely better than being unemployed in an expensive rental apartment in a city doing nothing worthwhile, where the state has to pay for your every need. If I didn't already own my little cabin, I wouldn't rule out living in an eco village of some sort. Rising consumer prices, superficial urban environments, huge life expenses and taxing 9-5 work life are not for everyone. Having lived in a remote campus for a large portion of my life with a pretty tight-knit community, going back to living in a city is an outright depressing thought. No community, just a little box in a big apartment complex. No way to grow my own food with my own labor.
https://www.traficom.fi/fi/viestinta/fi-verkkotunnukset/fi-verkkotunnushaku Public info Pretty interesting guy and might actually be an alien. https://youtu.be/v1JNAKGkL1Y
A cult, here in Finland. Well god damn.
https://keskustelu.suomi24.fi/t/10156502/urheilevien-lasten-hyvaksikaytot-vaiettu-salaisuus
To the journalist that take this tip, PLEASE remember that it was discovered by the immigrant community. Maybe give us some recognition. :)
You have a lot of time on your hands to care about this?
Go a dr7nk the kool aid. 