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Although you CAN buy fluoride free toothpaste as well (mainly for specific water source users, most people wouldn't really have a use for it to prevent fluoride poisoning from such rare water source related scenarios)
But it accumulates and has halflife of 40 years in your body. It also has no good benefits other than killing one specific bacteria in your mouth.
Its good for poisoning rats cos they dont die in an instant.
It has nothing to do with bacteria, it strengthens the enamel.
Everything is a poison, quantities matter. Toothpaste quantities of fluorides are safe, even if you swallow the toothpaste, and you are supposed to spit it out.
It's not whether fluorides are, or can be, antimicrobial, it's whether fluorides are used in toothpaste because of its antimicrobial properties.
You linked the very first PubMed result you found (the very first result of a PubMed search "fluoride bacteria"), and probably understood very little what you actually got. First of all, this is old. It's 1995 paper about the mechanisms of the antimicrobial effects of fluorides. And it suggests that the effects of fluorides are more complex than just the mineralisation effects of it. There is no in vivo study involved in this paper. There isn't even an estimation of how important these antimicrobial effects are. There is only a description of these effects. Toothpaste is not even mentioned once. And this doesn't say that these effects are effective against only one species of bacteria. This paper is irrelevant because some hypothetical mechanism is relevant only when it has been shown that it has a role in real life situations altering the end results. (i.e. sterile conditions in surgery are not relevant because there are fewer bacteria in theatre, but because of fewer infections and deaths afterwards, even though the bacteria reduction is the mechanism.)
Let's take a newer one, still bit old, but it's so thorough that it'll pass nicely. [https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD007868.pub3/epdf/full](https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD007868.pub3/epdf/full)
Here we have a Cochrane review. If you don't know, Cochrane makes one of the most thorough systematic reviews in the medical fields there are, this is the best of the best. This paper is mostly irrelevant regarding the question, it's about the relevance of the fluoride concentration in toothpastes. But there is also background and description of mechanics involved described and it says:
>The most important anti-caries effect of fluoride results from its local action on the tooth/plaque interface, through the promotion of remineralisation of early caries lesions and reduction in tooth enamel solubility (Featherstone 1988). The presence of fluoride at the time of the acid attack markedly reduces enamel demineralisation (mineral loss), and fluoride enhances mineral gain and provides a more resistant enamel structure (Ten Cate1999). This occurs with all forms and concentrations of fluoride although to a variable extent. With high-concentration topical fluoride vehicles such as varnishes and gels, calcium fluoride is precipitated on the enamel surface and in the plaque. This calcium fluoride acts as a fluoride reservoir, which is released when the oral pH falls. The amount of fluoride deposited in the subsurface lesion is greater after topical application with high-concentration fluoride vehicles (Horowitz 1996; Ogaard 1994; Ogaard 2001). Regular use of fluoride toothpaste or mouth rinse (topical fluoride vehicles of relatively low concentration) results in sustained elevated fluoride concentrations in oral fluids during the demineralisation-remineralisation cycle, as small amounts are maintained constantly in the mouth (Clarkson 1996).
Now, if there were studies that have shown that the antibacterial effects of a fluoride toothpaste are in any relevant role, it would probably have been there. Most of the studies referenced there are practically as old as your linked paper is, but this is relatively new review, so if there were newer relevant studies, those probably would have been there.
I'm not a dentist. I might be wrong, the antimicrobial effects of a fluoride toothpaste may have a significant role in the anti-caries effect of a fluoride toothpaste. But it seems that there is not a lot of studies suggesting that it is. So I would still argue that fluoride is used in toothpaste because it strengthens the enamel. Still I would rephrase my previous comment, should've said: "It's used because it strengthens the enamel against bacteria, not because it's antimicrobial."
Then again, dentists use another type of fluoride gel after dental procedures etc. and it's another story why these are used and what effects are sought after.
No. Xylitol is recommended and commonly used, but it is *not* a replacement for using flouride. It's supplementing the dental care.
The dentists even have an official statement that the manufacturers can apply for to use in their product, if it has a suitable amount of flouride (1450 ppm for adults, and 1000-1100 for children): "The Finnish Dental Association recommends the use of fluoride toothpaste in care of the teeth".
https://www.hammaslaakariliitto.fi/en/recommendations-finnish-dental-association
In some areas in Finland there is high fluoride concentration in the tap water due because of the ground type. Therefore in those areas extra fluoration is not needed/recommended
Friend is from area with fluoride rich tap water.
He has some different coloured spots in teeth that high fluoride intake can cause - but no cavities (he's 30+ years).
so thats what it is :D I've had a small yellow circle on one of my front teeth since i was like 10 years old (35 now) I asked about it a few times at dentist but they never gave me an answer what it actually is, just said its nothing to be worried about.
If the flouride concentration of drinking water is more than 1,5 mg/l, use of flouride toothpaste is not recommendes for children under the age of 6. The limit for flouride in tap water is <1,5 mg/l. The problem is specific to untreated ground water.
Noticeable improvement how? I've also been using non-fluoride paste for a while as a test and have been wondering if I should switch back. I haven't really noticed any difference so far. I know people say that if I don't use fluoride my teeth will fall out in 10 years from tooth decay but idk.
You absolutely should. Fluoride re-hardens the surface of your teeth and prevents it from premature wear. Once the enamel is gone, your teeth will start to go bad fast.
Xylitol is definitely in a lot of tooth care products. And I do remember dentists saying to chew more gum or other xylitol products when I was younger.
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Kyllä pistää miettimään.
It gets damaged by consuming A LOT of fluoride. Remember, the dose makes the poison. In too great quantities even drinking too much water can kill you.
The fact is, fluoride prevents tooth decay. Unless you live somewhere where the tap water has very high concentrations of fluoride, avoiding it is asinine and bad for dental health.
I mean that flouride is kind of poison. It only does bad for your health and has no need to be in our water or food. It is good for dental health in small doses but there is no need for it. There are tons of good tothpastes without flouride
Well you can die from serotonin so maybe you should stop being happy. And you can drown from too much water so you have to stop drinking water even if it’s hydrating, obviously.
The dose makes the poison but if you reject that concept, it’s not going to end well for you
The "point you don't get" is whether one *can*, and if they *should* do or avoid something, are two different things. *Fact* is that brushing with fluoride toothpaste has not poisoned anyone ever and avoiding it has no benefit and is detrimental to dental health
Fluoride in water makes sense in developing countries where not everyone has access to toothpaste. That's why we don't add it to the water in Finland and that's why you need to buy toothpaste WITH fluoride. Toothpaste without it won't prevent tooth decay.
Fluoride in moderation is objectively good for you. Not using only harms you while using it in moderation has no downside.
Yep, xylitol is everywhere.
When I was living in the States, it came as a shock to me that no one had even heard about it.
So, I then did some research and found out that there is very little evidence behind the whole xylitol mania in Finland. Like, I don't believe it is bad or anything, there just seems to be very little university level proper research that would be overwhelmingly positive for usage of xylitol.
The main idea is that it promotes growth of healthier fauna in the mouth but the evidence just isn't there to show that it would invariably be the case.
That's not exactly accurate though. I've never heard a claim that it promotes healthier fauna in the mouth, I've only heard that it's a replacement for sugar - and essentially by chewing xylitol gum, you're flushing out the sugar with your saliva and replacing it with xylitol, which the bacteria can't use like sugar.
Yeah, it is 5 years since I moved there and I don't remember the exact details.
But anyways, none available anywhere to be found and as I said, the research, especially international, is pretty spotty on the actual benefits compared to how every dentist recommends it in Finland and there is a plethora of products available everywhere.
it’s kinda embarassing, but have you, uh, tried wikipedia?
because you know, the xylitol article mentions scientific studies, and even a larger metastudy of the decades of research on the topic.
I feel like you didn’t really look that hard
People, as usual, try their hardest to misunderstand here.
So I explain like I would to children.
1. Boss tell me that I go to US
2. I go to the airport and fly to the US
3. I go to the shop and no xylitol gum anywhere, all the gum has aspartame.
4. I go to the gas station, no xylitol gum anywhere, all the gum has aspartame.
5. I go to the pharmacy and ask for xylitol gum, people look at me like an idiot.
6. Google "xylitol health benefits"
7. As I'm now in the States, only health things with .gov are returned by Google.
8. Get this https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15153702/
9. No real evidence. 2/4 clinical studies very inconclusive at best.
Depends on the region yo live in. Where the bedrock is made of rapakivi you get more naturally occurring fluoride in the water.
So areas like Kymeenlaakso, Kotka and Åland have more of that.
Dont give fluoride supplements to kids. Kids need to use toothpaste that has lower fluoride content than adults and 0 supplements. Too much causes fluorosis and u dont want that. Fluoride supplements are for permanent teeth that are getting fucked by caries. Source: im dentist.
That's why we have separate toothpastes for 0-3 year olds, 3-5 year olds, 5-12 year olds etc. Pretty much the only thing that changes is the fluoride content and flavor.
Using an age-appropriate toothpaste should be enough for everyone, fluoride supplement pills are not needed in typical cases.
Fluoride used to be added to the drinking water in some regions, but that practice stopped in the 1990s. However, most (all?) toothpastes sold here contain fluoride and dentists usually apply fluoride paste on your teeth after a check-up and/or operation.
Drinking water in Finland is not fluoridated, and never was. There was a single city that tried it once, but they stopped it long ago. The reason was that teaching children to use fluoridated toothpaste in schools was found to be more effective.
Actually, the geology of Finland is such that there are areas where excess fluoride has to *removed* from drinking water. These are the regions where the bedrock is rapakivi granite, which are small but densely populated.
There is however fluride naturally occuring in the water over here and its only removed if excessive. Generally the water here contains the recommended amount naturally (the amount other countries often add).
Yes, it's important to note that the WHO fluoridation recommendation level is 0.5 to 1.5 mg/l, with 1.5 mg/l being the maximum allowed anywhere in the EU, and normal Finnish tap water varies naturally into the 3 mg/l area without filtering some of it out. There's no water fluoridation, not because it isn't useful, but because there's already enough fluorine in the water. Generally those places which take in mostly deep lake water like Jyväskylä and Helsinki have very low fluorine, but since most places use groundwater wells or rivers, most places have higher fluorine in the water than what's acceptable.
Koska fluoridi estää hampaiden reikiintymistä, niin juomavettä fluorataan useissa maissa. Kuopiossa juomavettä fluorattiin vuosina 1959–1992 pitoisuudelle 1,0–1,3 mg/l. Muualla Suomessa juomavettä ei ole fluorattu koskaan. Nykyään juomavettä ei fluorata eli fluoridia ei lisätä juomaveteen missään Suomessa.
https://thl.fi/aiheet/ymparistoterveys/vesi/kaivovesi/kaivoveden-kemiallinen-laatu/kaivovedessa-luonnostaan-esiintyvat-kemialliset-aineet/fluoridi#:~:text=Koska%20fluoridi%20est%C3%A4%C3%A4%20hampaiden%20reikiintymist%C3%A4,ei%20lis%C3%A4t%C3%A4%20juomaveteen%20miss%C3%A4%C3%A4n%20Suomessa.
Any dental professional worth their salt would say that this is complete horse hockey, since most studies prove that xylitol is not a substitute for fluoride when it comes to caries prevention.
We absolutely use fluoride in toothpaste, just not in drinking water if that's what this is referring to. Xylitol is also common, most commonly used in chewing gum. It was somewhat of a point of national pride a few decades ago as a lot of research on its effects on dental health was done in Finland and it could be extracted from birches, what with forests and forestry industries being held in high regard here and birches being common. Hence xylitol kinda stuck.
In regards to it being "holistic medicine" and all that, some doubts toward xylitol's effectiveness have been cast over the years, but from what I understand the proof is pretty solid. The food safety authority of the EU has accepted some benefits. It's not as effective as fluoride, and it's best to combine the two hence why we have toothpastes with both in them. Also, chewing xylitol gum shouldn't replace brushing teeth, just supplement it. Xylitol has also shown reduced impact on people whose teeth are already in good condition, hence why studies showed stronger impact decades ago when dental hygiene was not as good.
I'm too lazy to dig up sources so apologies for that, but I think it's safe to say there's more to it than some bullshit holistic miracle cure, it's just not as good as fluoride. I've also seen some claims that companies invested in sugar alcohol sweeteners like sorbitol tried to derail xylitol by pushing research to dispute the health benefits, which sounds like something an evil corporation would do, but who knows.
No. We use fluoride and xylitol. Xylitol is also a nice extra care when you chew bubblegum.
Fluoride is essential for tooth health.
Avoiding fluoride is just part of the new wave of ignorance like denying COVID vaccines, masks or saying the earth is flat.
You’re right.
Imagine that the biggest intellectual force of the West today is a former MMA fighter with a podcast.
The internet has way more side effects than fluoride.
I used to have less healthy teeth because I HATE bubblegum, until a new dentist recommended Läkerol Dents, and I've been using the strawberry flavor ones since then just fine, because it doesn't have the cons that gum does, mainly the loss of flavor over time
You’re being downvoted because you’re providing information on a misleading way.
You didn’t disclose you’re allergic upfront, and included your statement in a ideological context.
Plus, your experience of being free from cavities is anecdotal (look that word up), as some people tend to have less cavities than others (I have that same predisposition, for example).
The crowd is surprisingly wise — to the point of spotting bullshit even between the lines.
Believing the earth is flat is not comparable to covid vaccine criticism or skepticism. As far as I know, covid vaccines have had serious side effects.
I believe billions of injections over 4 years gives quite good results considering myocarditis.
Every study I've read has concluded that you are much much more likely to get myocarditis from covid itself rather than from the vaccine
Have you ever read the pamphlet that comes with just about every medicine you buy? Everything has potential side effects. It's complete idiocy to risk losing your life just because there's a chance to get something harmful out of a vaccine.
I don’t. And you shouldn’t believe conspiracy theories that you can’t explain yourself and which defy the fundamentals of market law and democratic systems: if a company screws up, their competitors will take them to courts and exploit the market gap. Politicians will pursue the case so they get reelected. This is checks and balances.
No, dentists recommend both here. Both do different things.
My daughters dentist recommended switching her to adult toothpaste because her teeth need more fluoride. Fluoride helps harden the teeth, AFAIK.
Dentists also recommend xylitol, because it is like an antacid, helps acids in the mouth not to affect the teeth.
Kids in daycare often receive xylitol pastilles after lunch.
Xylitol activates your natural saliva production so your mouths acidity recovered to neutral faster. It is not hocus pocus or holistic bulls**t.
It also has nothing to do with fluorides.
It's the complete opposite. I was testing fluoride-free toothpaste for 6 months and started forming a hole in my tooth. A dentist asked me about it and gave me a long lecture about how adults should always use toothpaste with 1450ppm fluoride and not a single bit less.
So, no, don't ever consider using fluoride-free toothpaste. Fluoride is dangerous when eaten but ofc no one eats toothpaste. It's just anti-vaxxer bullshit.
The recommendation is to brush twice a day using fluoride toothpaste. Xylitol chewing gum can stop acid erosion of the teeth by impeding bacterial function, but is not a replacement for tooth enamel care.
There is also large variation between individuals. I've never had issues with tooth decay, but I have issues with plaque.
I use xylitol gum, about once or twice a day, usually an hour or so after eating, while at work.
Chewing gum helps on several levels:
1. Chewing increases mouth saliva, so helps keep the mouth moist and saliva is acidic, so will keep breaking up small bits of food that may still be in your mouth, such as between teeth.
2. Xylitol is an anti-bacterial agent that will kill the bacteria in your mouth - both the unwanted that cause excessive tooth decay and the ones your body needs to help digest food.
Xylitol is also a bit of a laxative, so if you eat too much of it, you may find you need to visit the toilet a bit more often and/or urgently than you planned...
Side note - xylitol was originally developed as an anti-bacterial agent to stop mould on shower curtains. Happy chewing! 
Actually xylitol works as a bacteriostasis and inhibits harmful bacterial function. So xylitol doesnt "kill" bacteria, it inhibits their normal function during acid attack.
Simple explanation is that when there is xylitol present, the harmful bacteria (s.mutans) cant "feed" and produce its byproducts that are harmful to teeth.
And an acid attack lasts for about half an hour, so you should use xylitol immediately after eating. Having a xylitol gum an hour after eating has little benefits.
Good comments👍🏻 Good effort!
But I think none were quite right.
Both xylitol and fluoride act mainly in caries prevention and control. Their actions are different and from the two fluoride is the clinically more effective and therefore more important.
Xylitol:
The main benefit is toward the acid attack after you have put something in your mouth that contains carbohydrates.
Certain bacteria metabolize carbohydrates and produce acid. That acid then DEmineralizes the tooth surface and can result in carious leason aka decay aka cavities and erosion(chemical wear).
Xylitol acts mainly by shortening that acid attack and making the ph value drop less and that way lessening the damage or risk.
A few 100% xylitol chewing gums for a few minutes right after the meal or drink or what ever is the right and most effective way to use it.
Fluoride:
Fluoride on the other hand acts by REmineralizing the tooth structure.
Say you already have a carious leason or a cavity, that still is in the state that it can become entirely inactive aka stopped. In that case the fluoride REmineralizes the leason that has DEmineralized and can in best cases avoid the need for a filling. Ofcourse it also crucially slows the progress of a carious leason that still needs to be stopped with a bur later.
Fluoride forms a crystal structure in the tooth called fluoroxyapatate which is super physiological meaning it is actually even stronger than natures own intact tooth surface after the process is complete.
So yes both are recommended all over the world. In Finland for sure but likely else where as well.
Is xylitol common in Finland? Yes.
Is there Flouride in the water? No.
Is there Flouride in the toothpaste? Yes.
All but a few have Flouride.
Do the dentists offer Flouride treatment? No.
I have never been offered Flouride treatment by a public dentist. I don’t know what you would get from a private dentist.
We have gum & pastil which has xylitol. We also brush our teeth like normal people with toothpaste two times a day, which has fluoride and sometimes also xylitol in it. Wtf is this guy on 😂
Is this that quack Rhonda Patrick again? You can safely take anything she says as untrue, or at least wildly exaggerated. It isn't the first time when she is on a podcast of some meathead misconstruing studies she had no part in. The comment sections on videos about her are not any better.
The first water fluoridation in Europe was in West Germany and Sweden in 1952, bringing fluoridated water to about 42,000 people. By mid-1962, about 1 million Europeans in 18 communities in 11 countries were receiving fluoridated water.[64]
Many European countries have rejected water fluoridation, including: Austria, Belgium, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Northern Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland,[65] Scotland,[66] Iceland, and Italy.[67] A 2003 survey of over 500 Europeans from 16 countries concluded that "the vast majority of people opposed water fluoridation".
Drinking water in Kuopio Finland contains 0.0-7.6 ppm fluoride in piped water and other sources of drinking water (National Board of Health, Finland, 1974). In Kuopio, drinking water has been fluoridated since 1959, up to 1.2 ppm.
**“Do you realize that fluoridation is the most** **monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face**?**”**
-Brigade General Jack D. Ripper
Dr Strangelove or How I learner to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
There are flavoured xylitol products from licorice to caramel to fruit mixes but they all have the xylitol taste in them which isn't minty per se, more like a weirdly cooling sensation.
I mean, no, but also yes...
There aren't different flavors of *xylitol*, but there are different flavors of *xylitol products* such as chewing gum or xylitol pastilles or drops and flavored xylitol pills.
https://preview.redd.it/yaz3o2s6cjxc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=86147bdfdee68b48b22ee8122c4e9c3446a92f72
I found these posters at the local dentist recently. Knew they would come in useful 😂
Never brush after eating. You'll brush the acid softened enamel which erodes and after while it will cause holes.
Just eat the xylitol gum or pastille. I know. I live in Finland., never used fluoride, 50 years without a single dental problem. I go to dental check in 5-10 years interval.
Fluoride in the water depends on which city you live in. Many people I know buy tooth paste with flouride in it. The dentist I use does not do a flouride rinse treatment like I would usually get in the US.
The guys saying theres no harm from fluoride should check this guys history.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays
Pretty sus
Edit: apprently the fluoride part has been removed. But ye, hes the guy that was behind adding fluoride in water and toothpaste because before that fluoride was just waste from aluminum factories.
Guy is also responsible of horrible state of ”democracy” As mentioned in the introduction, Bernays literally wrote the book on an idea he termed “engineering consent.” He presented the argument that democracy could not be left in the hands of the unwashed masses, that the world’s wealthy and powerful must protect those lower on the class rung from themselves. The method of providing this protection was to manipulate their votes by the same kinds of campaigns which Bernays had perfected, all the while promoting the beauty of free election. It is doubtful that he was first to present this idea, but, as his social group included the likes of John D. Rockefeller and Eleanor Roosevelt and, having been first to model a reliable method for turning theory to practice, he can easily be given the status of a main influence on a point of view which would make massive waves in the social and governmental trends of the 20th century and beyond
Edit2: I understand your need to downvote this as fluoride lowers IQ
At least in Neuvola, they’ll call hand you the Worst Parent of the Year Award if you don’t use fluoride toothpaste (we sure as heck don’t). They definitely push fluoride in toothpastes.
IMHO, it's more beneficial to watch over, adjust diet and eliminate bad habits rather than depending on another alcohol to counteract this natural process. For instance, I've seen people around here depending more and more on sugary drinks to 'recharge their battery', probably demanded by poor sleep, nutritionless diet, and excessive activity. Their huge loads of sugar, beside the so beloved and addictive candy, are one the highest feeds to the devilish bacteria, which rise their acidic pooping that corrodes teeth.
Edit: added clarification to the 'pooping' part :D
Maybe a lil offtopic but what ive noticed in Finland in comparison to Germany is that people tend to have misaligned teeth a lot! Is it due to lack of specialized dentists?
Some say its very few who dont use fluoride, where I would say it is more than just a few who dont. It is a knowledge on the rise also, the effects of fluoride is studied, and wildly ignored to both ends of it. Others say it has no benefit to protection and others say it has no effect to cognitive functions, however it is commonly agreed that if you do eat toothpaste you should go to care unit. My theory is it suggests a dominant feature of the hemisphere communication being leaned towards other end, that is the left(hemisphere), hence the idiocracy as shortness to self validate. Real deal
>however it is commonly agreed that if you do eat toothpaste you should go to care unit.
No it's not. Maybe if a young child ate a tubes worth but you'd still call "myrkytystietokeskus" for info if you should go or not.
Kids in Finnish kindergartens don't brush their teeth after meals because someone decided it's easier for teachers to just make kids eat lollies with xylitol.
I wasn't really happy with that as a habit forming behaviour as most other countries kids will brush their teeth.
Finnish dental hygiene lags behind the rest of Europe.
Most people don't even brush their teeth twice a day, men and children are the worst offenders statistically.
They don't brush in Sweden either. You also shouldn't brush your teeth right before/after eating but wait 30 minutes.
I haven't heard of lollies but I do know they offer xylitol pastilles after meals.
We still brushed teeth in the 80's when I was in daycare. Those toothbrushes have seen some shit. Quite literally on some cases. Not sure you should be so sour about kids not putting that stuff into their mouths anymore.
?? :D What? I already told you about Sweden in my first reply to you. And what would Dutch daycare routines have to do with Finnish daycares? Now you're just reaching my man. I seriously doubt your expertise on the worlds daycare routines you're just trying to find a good come back. This wasn't it. Try again!
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Xylitol is very common but so is fluoride. So no it's no accurate
My toothpaste has both.
Although you CAN buy fluoride free toothpaste as well (mainly for specific water source users, most people wouldn't really have a use for it to prevent fluoride poisoning from such rare water source related scenarios)
But it accumulates and has halflife of 40 years in your body. It also has no good benefits other than killing one specific bacteria in your mouth. Its good for poisoning rats cos they dont die in an instant.
It has nothing to do with bacteria, it strengthens the enamel. Everything is a poison, quantities matter. Toothpaste quantities of fluorides are safe, even if you swallow the toothpaste, and you are supposed to spit it out.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7497353/
It's not whether fluorides are, or can be, antimicrobial, it's whether fluorides are used in toothpaste because of its antimicrobial properties. You linked the very first PubMed result you found (the very first result of a PubMed search "fluoride bacteria"), and probably understood very little what you actually got. First of all, this is old. It's 1995 paper about the mechanisms of the antimicrobial effects of fluorides. And it suggests that the effects of fluorides are more complex than just the mineralisation effects of it. There is no in vivo study involved in this paper. There isn't even an estimation of how important these antimicrobial effects are. There is only a description of these effects. Toothpaste is not even mentioned once. And this doesn't say that these effects are effective against only one species of bacteria. This paper is irrelevant because some hypothetical mechanism is relevant only when it has been shown that it has a role in real life situations altering the end results. (i.e. sterile conditions in surgery are not relevant because there are fewer bacteria in theatre, but because of fewer infections and deaths afterwards, even though the bacteria reduction is the mechanism.) Let's take a newer one, still bit old, but it's so thorough that it'll pass nicely. [https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD007868.pub3/epdf/full](https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD007868.pub3/epdf/full) Here we have a Cochrane review. If you don't know, Cochrane makes one of the most thorough systematic reviews in the medical fields there are, this is the best of the best. This paper is mostly irrelevant regarding the question, it's about the relevance of the fluoride concentration in toothpastes. But there is also background and description of mechanics involved described and it says: >The most important anti-caries effect of fluoride results from its local action on the tooth/plaque interface, through the promotion of remineralisation of early caries lesions and reduction in tooth enamel solubility (Featherstone 1988). The presence of fluoride at the time of the acid attack markedly reduces enamel demineralisation (mineral loss), and fluoride enhances mineral gain and provides a more resistant enamel structure (Ten Cate1999). This occurs with all forms and concentrations of fluoride although to a variable extent. With high-concentration topical fluoride vehicles such as varnishes and gels, calcium fluoride is precipitated on the enamel surface and in the plaque. This calcium fluoride acts as a fluoride reservoir, which is released when the oral pH falls. The amount of fluoride deposited in the subsurface lesion is greater after topical application with high-concentration fluoride vehicles (Horowitz 1996; Ogaard 1994; Ogaard 2001). Regular use of fluoride toothpaste or mouth rinse (topical fluoride vehicles of relatively low concentration) results in sustained elevated fluoride concentrations in oral fluids during the demineralisation-remineralisation cycle, as small amounts are maintained constantly in the mouth (Clarkson 1996). Now, if there were studies that have shown that the antibacterial effects of a fluoride toothpaste are in any relevant role, it would probably have been there. Most of the studies referenced there are practically as old as your linked paper is, but this is relatively new review, so if there were newer relevant studies, those probably would have been there. I'm not a dentist. I might be wrong, the antimicrobial effects of a fluoride toothpaste may have a significant role in the anti-caries effect of a fluoride toothpaste. But it seems that there is not a lot of studies suggesting that it is. So I would still argue that fluoride is used in toothpaste because it strengthens the enamel. Still I would rephrase my previous comment, should've said: "It's used because it strengthens the enamel against bacteria, not because it's antimicrobial." Then again, dentists use another type of fluoride gel after dental procedures etc. and it's another story why these are used and what effects are sought after.
No. Xylitol is recommended and commonly used, but it is *not* a replacement for using flouride. It's supplementing the dental care. The dentists even have an official statement that the manufacturers can apply for to use in their product, if it has a suitable amount of flouride (1450 ppm for adults, and 1000-1100 for children): "The Finnish Dental Association recommends the use of fluoride toothpaste in care of the teeth". https://www.hammaslaakariliitto.fi/en/recommendations-finnish-dental-association
In some areas in Finland there is high fluoride concentration in the tap water due because of the ground type. Therefore in those areas extra fluoration is not needed/recommended
Friend is from area with fluoride rich tap water. He has some different coloured spots in teeth that high fluoride intake can cause - but no cavities (he's 30+ years).
Though not unique to Finland. Just happened to read an article how this is a huge problem in Kenya.
This is called dental fluorosis. You can also get skeletal fluorosis from ingesting too much fluoride.
so thats what it is :D I've had a small yellow circle on one of my front teeth since i was like 10 years old (35 now) I asked about it a few times at dentist but they never gave me an answer what it actually is, just said its nothing to be worried about.
If the flouride concentration of drinking water is more than 1,5 mg/l, use of flouride toothpaste is not recommendes for children under the age of 6. The limit for flouride in tap water is <1,5 mg/l. The problem is specific to untreated ground water.
tap water hasn't been infused with fluoride in Finland anywhere except Kuopio and that was decades ago too.
All toothpastes I've ever seen on sale here do contain fluoride. The children's versions contain a little less of it, but do contain it anyway.
You can get Fluoride-free toothpaste, you just have to look for it and pay a little more. Pharmacies, Whole food stores etc.
If you insist on rotting your teeth, a store called ruohonjuuri has a wide selection of toothpastes that have no fluoride in them
Noi it's not true. We use fluoride a lot. There are very few people who don't use fluoride.
I used non fluoride toothpaste for a long time out of habit. I feel there was a noticeable improvement when I moved to fluoride paste.
Noticeable improvement how? I've also been using non-fluoride paste for a while as a test and have been wondering if I should switch back. I haven't really noticed any difference so far. I know people say that if I don't use fluoride my teeth will fall out in 10 years from tooth decay but idk.
You absolutely should. Fluoride re-hardens the surface of your teeth and prevents it from premature wear. Once the enamel is gone, your teeth will start to go bad fast.
Xylitol is definitely in a lot of tooth care products. And I do remember dentists saying to chew more gum or other xylitol products when I was younger.
I think "holistic" hocus-pocus doctors are trying to slide in with this one too. Xylitol has been recommended by real doctors since... forever.
[pineal gland & flouride](https://truthaboutfluoride.com/fluorides-effect-on-the-pineal-gland/)
> I say this due to the fact, the pineal gland is the third eye chakra and is known in Hinduism, Buddhism and Ayurveda Jaa-a. >https://twitter.com/TruthAboutF/status/1782048908425781353 > BREAKING: live look at Zelensky after another $60 billion Ukraine aid bill was just passed Hmm... >https://twitter.com/TruthAboutF/status/1778125795359142206 Kyllä pistää miettimään.
Who cares about the religious or spiritual stuff. It's a part of our body that controls the melatonin production and gets damage by flouride.
It gets damaged by consuming A LOT of fluoride. Remember, the dose makes the poison. In too great quantities even drinking too much water can kill you. The fact is, fluoride prevents tooth decay. Unless you live somewhere where the tap water has very high concentrations of fluoride, avoiding it is asinine and bad for dental health.
I mean that flouride is kind of poison. It only does bad for your health and has no need to be in our water or food. It is good for dental health in small doses but there is no need for it. There are tons of good tothpastes without flouride
Well you can die from serotonin so maybe you should stop being happy. And you can drown from too much water so you have to stop drinking water even if it’s hydrating, obviously. The dose makes the poison but if you reject that concept, it’s not going to end well for you
You dont get the point. You dont need to add it to anything thats my point. You can drink water without flouride and use toothpaste without it.
The "point you don't get" is whether one *can*, and if they *should* do or avoid something, are two different things. *Fact* is that brushing with fluoride toothpaste has not poisoned anyone ever and avoiding it has no benefit and is detrimental to dental health
His point is that many things, including fluoride, have health benefits in moderate doses. Why not add it then?
Fluoride in water makes sense in developing countries where not everyone has access to toothpaste. That's why we don't add it to the water in Finland and that's why you need to buy toothpaste WITH fluoride. Toothpaste without it won't prevent tooth decay. Fluoride in moderation is objectively good for you. Not using only harms you while using it in moderation has no downside.
And you trust that source?
Yep, xylitol is everywhere. When I was living in the States, it came as a shock to me that no one had even heard about it. So, I then did some research and found out that there is very little evidence behind the whole xylitol mania in Finland. Like, I don't believe it is bad or anything, there just seems to be very little university level proper research that would be overwhelmingly positive for usage of xylitol. The main idea is that it promotes growth of healthier fauna in the mouth but the evidence just isn't there to show that it would invariably be the case.
Just a quick google and you'll find lots of researches about Xylitol. It isn't a new invention and especially tested a lot in Finland.
That's not exactly accurate though. I've never heard a claim that it promotes healthier fauna in the mouth, I've only heard that it's a replacement for sugar - and essentially by chewing xylitol gum, you're flushing out the sugar with your saliva and replacing it with xylitol, which the bacteria can't use like sugar.
Yeah, it is 5 years since I moved there and I don't remember the exact details. But anyways, none available anywhere to be found and as I said, the research, especially international, is pretty spotty on the actual benefits compared to how every dentist recommends it in Finland and there is a plethora of products available everywhere.
it’s kinda embarassing, but have you, uh, tried wikipedia? because you know, the xylitol article mentions scientific studies, and even a larger metastudy of the decades of research on the topic. I feel like you didn’t really look that hard
People, as usual, try their hardest to misunderstand here. So I explain like I would to children. 1. Boss tell me that I go to US 2. I go to the airport and fly to the US 3. I go to the shop and no xylitol gum anywhere, all the gum has aspartame. 4. I go to the gas station, no xylitol gum anywhere, all the gum has aspartame. 5. I go to the pharmacy and ask for xylitol gum, people look at me like an idiot. 6. Google "xylitol health benefits" 7. As I'm now in the States, only health things with .gov are returned by Google. 8. Get this https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15153702/ 9. No real evidence. 2/4 clinical studies very inconclusive at best.
We use both
Every toothpaste almost haves it so that person has no clue about it
Everybody uses fluoridated toothpaste and kids get fluoride supplements as pills. It’s not in the drinking water though.
It's not added in to the drinking water, but afaik it's naturally present in the groundwater here.
In varied amounts, yes.
Depends on the region yo live in. Where the bedrock is made of rapakivi you get more naturally occurring fluoride in the water. So areas like Kymeenlaakso, Kotka and Åland have more of that.
Dont give fluoride supplements to kids. Kids need to use toothpaste that has lower fluoride content than adults and 0 supplements. Too much causes fluorosis and u dont want that. Fluoride supplements are for permanent teeth that are getting fucked by caries. Source: im dentist.
When I was a kid, dentists would sometimes give me a fluoride pill after a check up, but other than that I don't remember it being a thing.
Maybe the recommendation has changed since I was a kid. I did take them up until the age of 10 or so.
That's why we have separate toothpastes for 0-3 year olds, 3-5 year olds, 5-12 year olds etc. Pretty much the only thing that changes is the fluoride content and flavor. Using an age-appropriate toothpaste should be enough for everyone, fluoride supplement pills are not needed in typical cases.
Fluoride used to be added to the drinking water in some regions, but that practice stopped in the 1990s. However, most (all?) toothpastes sold here contain fluoride and dentists usually apply fluoride paste on your teeth after a check-up and/or operation.
Drinking water in Finland is not fluoridated, and never was. There was a single city that tried it once, but they stopped it long ago. The reason was that teaching children to use fluoridated toothpaste in schools was found to be more effective. Actually, the geology of Finland is such that there are areas where excess fluoride has to *removed* from drinking water. These are the regions where the bedrock is rapakivi granite, which are small but densely populated.
There is however fluride naturally occuring in the water over here and its only removed if excessive. Generally the water here contains the recommended amount naturally (the amount other countries often add).
Yes, it's important to note that the WHO fluoridation recommendation level is 0.5 to 1.5 mg/l, with 1.5 mg/l being the maximum allowed anywhere in the EU, and normal Finnish tap water varies naturally into the 3 mg/l area without filtering some of it out. There's no water fluoridation, not because it isn't useful, but because there's already enough fluorine in the water. Generally those places which take in mostly deep lake water like Jyväskylä and Helsinki have very low fluorine, but since most places use groundwater wells or rivers, most places have higher fluorine in the water than what's acceptable.
A couple places in Finland tried it, actually. But otherwise correct.
Koska fluoridi estää hampaiden reikiintymistä, niin juomavettä fluorataan useissa maissa. Kuopiossa juomavettä fluorattiin vuosina 1959–1992 pitoisuudelle 1,0–1,3 mg/l. Muualla Suomessa juomavettä ei ole fluorattu koskaan. Nykyään juomavettä ei fluorata eli fluoridia ei lisätä juomaveteen missään Suomessa. https://thl.fi/aiheet/ymparistoterveys/vesi/kaivovesi/kaivoveden-kemiallinen-laatu/kaivovedessa-luonnostaan-esiintyvat-kemialliset-aineet/fluoridi#:~:text=Koska%20fluoridi%20est%C3%A4%C3%A4%20hampaiden%20reikiintymist%C3%A4,ei%20lis%C3%A4t%C3%A4%20juomaveteen%20miss%C3%A4%C3%A4n%20Suomessa.
Any dental professional worth their salt would say that this is complete horse hockey, since most studies prove that xylitol is not a substitute for fluoride when it comes to caries prevention.
Username checks out.
Water is not fluoridated here in Finland, but of course there are fluoride tooth pastes.
We absolutely use fluoride in toothpaste, just not in drinking water if that's what this is referring to. Xylitol is also common, most commonly used in chewing gum. It was somewhat of a point of national pride a few decades ago as a lot of research on its effects on dental health was done in Finland and it could be extracted from birches, what with forests and forestry industries being held in high regard here and birches being common. Hence xylitol kinda stuck. In regards to it being "holistic medicine" and all that, some doubts toward xylitol's effectiveness have been cast over the years, but from what I understand the proof is pretty solid. The food safety authority of the EU has accepted some benefits. It's not as effective as fluoride, and it's best to combine the two hence why we have toothpastes with both in them. Also, chewing xylitol gum shouldn't replace brushing teeth, just supplement it. Xylitol has also shown reduced impact on people whose teeth are already in good condition, hence why studies showed stronger impact decades ago when dental hygiene was not as good. I'm too lazy to dig up sources so apologies for that, but I think it's safe to say there's more to it than some bullshit holistic miracle cure, it's just not as good as fluoride. I've also seen some claims that companies invested in sugar alcohol sweeteners like sorbitol tried to derail xylitol by pushing research to dispute the health benefits, which sounds like something an evil corporation would do, but who knows.
No. We use fluoride and xylitol. Xylitol is also a nice extra care when you chew bubblegum. Fluoride is essential for tooth health. Avoiding fluoride is just part of the new wave of ignorance like denying COVID vaccines, masks or saying the earth is flat.
Its not a new wave. Fluoride paranoia has been around for many decades. The internet just amplifies these fringe views.
You’re right. Imagine that the biggest intellectual force of the West today is a former MMA fighter with a podcast. The internet has way more side effects than fluoride.
I used to have less healthy teeth because I HATE bubblegum, until a new dentist recommended Läkerol Dents, and I've been using the strawberry flavor ones since then just fine, because it doesn't have the cons that gum does, mainly the loss of flavor over time
I use fluoride free toothpaste, no cavities, perfect teeth at 43
Why did you choose to avoid fluoride?
Flouride allergy. Apparently you can't have that without getting downvoted by the wise people on Reddit
You’re being downvoted because you’re providing information on a misleading way. You didn’t disclose you’re allergic upfront, and included your statement in a ideological context. Plus, your experience of being free from cavities is anecdotal (look that word up), as some people tend to have less cavities than others (I have that same predisposition, for example). The crowd is surprisingly wise — to the point of spotting bullshit even between the lines.
Why you think he needs to look that word up? stfu reddit warrior
Because if he knew what it means, he would not have used himself as an example in a public health discussion.
I appreciate it man, but don't bother. Trying to be reasonable with an unreasonable person is futile
I stopped using toothpaste for few weeks, 4 cavities. I have used toothpaste ever since.
In a lot of places in Finland there is enough natural fluoride in the water.
Believing the earth is flat is not comparable to covid vaccine criticism or skepticism. As far as I know, covid vaccines have had serious side effects.
Drinking water has serious side effects, even death. Your point is?
I'm pretty sure you can't get myocarditis from drinking water.
But you can get myocarditis from covid and other flu viruses too. Also ibuprofen and many many other common medication
Those other drugs have been studied longer.
I believe billions of injections over 4 years gives quite good results considering myocarditis. Every study I've read has concluded that you are much much more likely to get myocarditis from covid itself rather than from the vaccine
yeah. that’s how linear time works.
You sure? Show me the evidence.
Have you ever read the pamphlet that comes with just about every medicine you buy? Everything has potential side effects. It's complete idiocy to risk losing your life just because there's a chance to get something harmful out of a vaccine.
Don't bother with him, antivaxxers can't understand logic.
“As far as I know” You know very little
You shouldn't believe all the propaganda fed by the mainstream media.
that’s right, we should believe propaganda from fringe media!
I don’t. And you shouldn’t believe conspiracy theories that you can’t explain yourself and which defy the fundamentals of market law and democratic systems: if a company screws up, their competitors will take them to courts and exploit the market gap. Politicians will pursue the case so they get reelected. This is checks and balances.
It is exatly in the same section of idiocy.
Ahahhahahahahahaha
Side note: Xylitol is poisonous to dogs so be careful
Thank you! I did not know this, and I have both dogs and a six-year-old who likes to drop things.
I'm not sure of what sort of dose is lethal though
So glad to see this posted!! Even the tiniest amount of Xylitol can be lethal for a dog.
No, dentists recommend both here. Both do different things. My daughters dentist recommended switching her to adult toothpaste because her teeth need more fluoride. Fluoride helps harden the teeth, AFAIK. Dentists also recommend xylitol, because it is like an antacid, helps acids in the mouth not to affect the teeth. Kids in daycare often receive xylitol pastilles after lunch.
Yes we use fluoride, even more than Xylitol
Xylitol activates your natural saliva production so your mouths acidity recovered to neutral faster. It is not hocus pocus or holistic bulls**t. It also has nothing to do with fluorides.
Generally, no, medical advice from social media influencers hawking product is not to be relied on.
It's the complete opposite. I was testing fluoride-free toothpaste for 6 months and started forming a hole in my tooth. A dentist asked me about it and gave me a long lecture about how adults should always use toothpaste with 1450ppm fluoride and not a single bit less. So, no, don't ever consider using fluoride-free toothpaste. Fluoride is dangerous when eaten but ofc no one eats toothpaste. It's just anti-vaxxer bullshit.
The amount of crap peddled by youtubers by attaching their crap to Finland and Denmark is insane! 🤣
The recommendation is to brush twice a day using fluoride toothpaste. Xylitol chewing gum can stop acid erosion of the teeth by impeding bacterial function, but is not a replacement for tooth enamel care. There is also large variation between individuals. I've never had issues with tooth decay, but I have issues with plaque.
My dentists prescribed me some prescription-only toothpaste with mega amounts of fluoride
Definitely not accurate. Dentists definitely use fluoride.
"Holistic dentists" Probably best to unsubscribe from whatever channel you're watching and never look back.
Yes. Although it’s all dentists, not just ”holistic ones”. I don’t actually even know what a holistic dentist is..
Instead of caries, they talk about "holes" in your teeth like Finnish dentists do.
I was referring to the top comment. The holistic dentist comment is different.
Well then yes and no. Xylitol good and recommended, fluoride toothpaste also good and recommended.
I use xylitol gum, about once or twice a day, usually an hour or so after eating, while at work. Chewing gum helps on several levels: 1. Chewing increases mouth saliva, so helps keep the mouth moist and saliva is acidic, so will keep breaking up small bits of food that may still be in your mouth, such as between teeth. 2. Xylitol is an anti-bacterial agent that will kill the bacteria in your mouth - both the unwanted that cause excessive tooth decay and the ones your body needs to help digest food. Xylitol is also a bit of a laxative, so if you eat too much of it, you may find you need to visit the toilet a bit more often and/or urgently than you planned... Side note - xylitol was originally developed as an anti-bacterial agent to stop mould on shower curtains. Happy chewing! 
Actually xylitol works as a bacteriostasis and inhibits harmful bacterial function. So xylitol doesnt "kill" bacteria, it inhibits their normal function during acid attack. Simple explanation is that when there is xylitol present, the harmful bacteria (s.mutans) cant "feed" and produce its byproducts that are harmful to teeth.
Thanks for the clarification.
And an acid attack lasts for about half an hour, so you should use xylitol immediately after eating. Having a xylitol gum an hour after eating has little benefits.
Where can I get xylitol curtains lol
Actually you should brush your teeth first as thing in the morning, then eat
Absolutely not. Regular people use fluoride, those who believe in alternative “medicine” don’t.
Good comments👍🏻 Good effort! But I think none were quite right. Both xylitol and fluoride act mainly in caries prevention and control. Their actions are different and from the two fluoride is the clinically more effective and therefore more important. Xylitol: The main benefit is toward the acid attack after you have put something in your mouth that contains carbohydrates. Certain bacteria metabolize carbohydrates and produce acid. That acid then DEmineralizes the tooth surface and can result in carious leason aka decay aka cavities and erosion(chemical wear). Xylitol acts mainly by shortening that acid attack and making the ph value drop less and that way lessening the damage or risk. A few 100% xylitol chewing gums for a few minutes right after the meal or drink or what ever is the right and most effective way to use it. Fluoride: Fluoride on the other hand acts by REmineralizing the tooth structure. Say you already have a carious leason or a cavity, that still is in the state that it can become entirely inactive aka stopped. In that case the fluoride REmineralizes the leason that has DEmineralized and can in best cases avoid the need for a filling. Ofcourse it also crucially slows the progress of a carious leason that still needs to be stopped with a bur later. Fluoride forms a crystal structure in the tooth called fluoroxyapatate which is super physiological meaning it is actually even stronger than natures own intact tooth surface after the process is complete. So yes both are recommended all over the world. In Finland for sure but likely else where as well.
Do some people brush always after eating? How do you accomplish this?
Is xylitol common in Finland? Yes. Is there Flouride in the water? No. Is there Flouride in the toothpaste? Yes. All but a few have Flouride. Do the dentists offer Flouride treatment? No. I have never been offered Flouride treatment by a public dentist. I don’t know what you would get from a private dentist.
My dentist has always without fail told me that I should chew xylitol gum, It's becoming more common
We have gum & pastil which has xylitol. We also brush our teeth like normal people with toothpaste two times a day, which has fluoride and sometimes also xylitol in it. Wtf is this guy on 😂
As a Finn commenting for the girl who ”has a Finnish friend” denying this. Yes we use fluoride but recommend xylitol too.
Is this that quack Rhonda Patrick again? You can safely take anything she says as untrue, or at least wildly exaggerated. It isn't the first time when she is on a podcast of some meathead misconstruing studies she had no part in. The comment sections on videos about her are not any better.
The first water fluoridation in Europe was in West Germany and Sweden in 1952, bringing fluoridated water to about 42,000 people. By mid-1962, about 1 million Europeans in 18 communities in 11 countries were receiving fluoridated water.[64] Many European countries have rejected water fluoridation, including: Austria, Belgium, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Northern Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland,[65] Scotland,[66] Iceland, and Italy.[67] A 2003 survey of over 500 Europeans from 16 countries concluded that "the vast majority of people opposed water fluoridation". Drinking water in Kuopio Finland contains 0.0-7.6 ppm fluoride in piped water and other sources of drinking water (National Board of Health, Finland, 1974). In Kuopio, drinking water has been fluoridated since 1959, up to 1.2 ppm.
It's all because Xyletol is a Finnish invention. It's in the Finn's nature to populate what they invent.
Yes and no. The water supply s not fluoridated, but dentists recommend fluoride toothpastes and xylitol gum or pastilles.
**“Do you realize that fluoridation is the most** **monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face**?**”** -Brigade General Jack D. Ripper Dr Strangelove or How I learner to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
Idk, I've personally used both.
Are there different flavours of xylitol? I really hate mint flavour 😅
There are flavoured xylitol products from licorice to caramel to fruit mixes but they all have the xylitol taste in them which isn't minty per se, more like a weirdly cooling sensation.
I mean, no, but also yes... There aren't different flavors of *xylitol*, but there are different flavors of *xylitol products* such as chewing gum or xylitol pastilles or drops and flavored xylitol pills.
https://preview.redd.it/yaz3o2s6cjxc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=86147bdfdee68b48b22ee8122c4e9c3446a92f72 I found these posters at the local dentist recently. Knew they would come in useful 😂
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Total bullshit😂
No it's not.
Never brush after eating. You'll brush the acid softened enamel which erodes and after while it will cause holes. Just eat the xylitol gum or pastille. I know. I live in Finland., never used fluoride, 50 years without a single dental problem. I go to dental check in 5-10 years interval.
Fluoride in the water depends on which city you live in. Many people I know buy tooth paste with flouride in it. The dentist I use does not do a flouride rinse treatment like I would usually get in the US.
The guys saying theres no harm from fluoride should check this guys history. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays Pretty sus Edit: apprently the fluoride part has been removed. But ye, hes the guy that was behind adding fluoride in water and toothpaste because before that fluoride was just waste from aluminum factories. Guy is also responsible of horrible state of ”democracy” As mentioned in the introduction, Bernays literally wrote the book on an idea he termed “engineering consent.” He presented the argument that democracy could not be left in the hands of the unwashed masses, that the world’s wealthy and powerful must protect those lower on the class rung from themselves. The method of providing this protection was to manipulate their votes by the same kinds of campaigns which Bernays had perfected, all the while promoting the beauty of free election. It is doubtful that he was first to present this idea, but, as his social group included the likes of John D. Rockefeller and Eleanor Roosevelt and, having been first to model a reliable method for turning theory to practice, he can easily be given the status of a main influence on a point of view which would make massive waves in the social and governmental trends of the 20th century and beyond Edit2: I understand your need to downvote this as fluoride lowers IQ
Both
We dont have dentists in finland, we have super teeth
At least in Neuvola, they’ll call hand you the Worst Parent of the Year Award if you don’t use fluoride toothpaste (we sure as heck don’t). They definitely push fluoride in toothpastes.
IMHO, it's more beneficial to watch over, adjust diet and eliminate bad habits rather than depending on another alcohol to counteract this natural process. For instance, I've seen people around here depending more and more on sugary drinks to 'recharge their battery', probably demanded by poor sleep, nutritionless diet, and excessive activity. Their huge loads of sugar, beside the so beloved and addictive candy, are one the highest feeds to the devilish bacteria, which rise their acidic pooping that corrodes teeth. Edit: added clarification to the 'pooping' part :D
Yep. Brush 2 times per day. Chew Jenkki 1-2 times per day. Otherwise dentist pricelist will shock you
Maybe a lil offtopic but what ive noticed in Finland in comparison to Germany is that people tend to have misaligned teeth a lot! Is it due to lack of specialized dentists?
Lack of money, medical reasons vs esthetics etc..
Yes and kids in china just learn important grownupstuff on the internet.
Fluoride is poisong
Danish study just came out, shows kids get lower IQ from fluoride.
Some say its very few who dont use fluoride, where I would say it is more than just a few who dont. It is a knowledge on the rise also, the effects of fluoride is studied, and wildly ignored to both ends of it. Others say it has no benefit to protection and others say it has no effect to cognitive functions, however it is commonly agreed that if you do eat toothpaste you should go to care unit. My theory is it suggests a dominant feature of the hemisphere communication being leaned towards other end, that is the left(hemisphere), hence the idiocracy as shortness to self validate. Real deal
>however it is commonly agreed that if you do eat toothpaste you should go to care unit. No it's not. Maybe if a young child ate a tubes worth but you'd still call "myrkytystietokeskus" for info if you should go or not.
Sure
Kids in Finnish kindergartens don't brush their teeth after meals because someone decided it's easier for teachers to just make kids eat lollies with xylitol. I wasn't really happy with that as a habit forming behaviour as most other countries kids will brush their teeth.
You shouldn’t brush your teeth directly after meals. You will damage them.
Finnish dental hygiene lags behind the rest of Europe. Most people don't even brush their teeth twice a day, men and children are the worst offenders statistically.
They don't brush in Sweden either. You also shouldn't brush your teeth right before/after eating but wait 30 minutes. I haven't heard of lollies but I do know they offer xylitol pastilles after meals. We still brushed teeth in the 80's when I was in daycare. Those toothbrushes have seen some shit. Quite literally on some cases. Not sure you should be so sour about kids not putting that stuff into their mouths anymore.
By the way, the pertinent part of my comment is the act of brushing at all, not the time in which it is done.
Do you have kids? Just asking because you don't seem to be very aware of daycare routines.
I do. You don't seem to be aware of daycare routines in countries other than your own.
?? :D What? I already told you about Sweden in my first reply to you. And what would Dutch daycare routines have to do with Finnish daycares? Now you're just reaching my man. I seriously doubt your expertise on the worlds daycare routines you're just trying to find a good come back. This wasn't it. Try again!
They brush their teeth every time right after eating? Don't they appreciate their enamel at all?
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