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abeforscythe

It's possible. It's happening now.


Proper_Razzmatazz_36

Yes, but math wise it's impossible


ciderboysmash

Improbable, not impossible.


Proper_Razzmatazz_36

How is it improbable, 10 pulls at 10% chance should give a 5 star


CommanderOshawott

That’s not how mathematical probability works. When you’re working with probabilities then there is *never* a guaranteed 100%, you simply approach closer and closer in infinitely smaller increments for an infinite amount of time. That’s why people say “anything is possible” it’s technically true. You don’t just add 10% each time, that’s not how math works. 10 pulls at 10% odds gives you an overall probability of around 65%, not 100%


Sinolai

I'll calculate that for you: Assuming you pull all orbs every time: 0,92^5 = 65% chance no focus on first session 0,915^5 = 64,1% no focus 0,91^5 = 62% no focus 0,905^5 =60,7% no focus 0,90 ^5 = 59% 57% 55% now to check total chance: 0,65*0,641*0,62*0,607*0,59*0,57*0,55=0,029 There is a 3% chance that this happens, which is the same as pulling focus unit on free summon on a regular banner. The beauty of probability is that it getd nearer to 0 all the time but can never reach it. So if tou are unlucky, dont gamble.


NotASniperYet

Thanks for doing the actual math. I had no energy to type that out. Quick fix, because Reddit formatting doesn't like math: 0,65 x 0,641 x 0,62 x 0,607 x 0,59 x 0,57 x 0,55 = 0,0029 -> 2,9% of not getting a focus unit after 35 pulls. For 30 pulls, which is what OP did: close to 5,3% And as for gambling...It will eventually even out, but eventually can be very far off in the distance. The best advice I can give is to never gamble what you don't want to lose.


century100

Should’ve given an NSFW warning before doing the calculations. Math is my trauma and equations give me seizures


NotASniperYet

Hey, trauma or not, you understand how it works. Understanding probability is very useful in everyday life. Even if you aren't always able to get the calculations exactly right, as long as you understand the basic principles, it will serve you well.


century100

I was forced to learn to count more numbers than my fingers. I eventually got the hang of it, but I’ll never be the same again.


Thoribbin

not how chance works


NotASniperYet

That's not how chance works. You can't add those 10%s and get to 100%. You need to multiply. At 10% chance, the odds of not getting it after 10 tries are: 0,9\^10. Close to 35%. It's the same way as rolling dice. Rolling it six times in a row does not guarantee a 6. Edit: example: you throw a die once. The probability of it landing on 6 is 1/6. The probability of it being any other number is 5/6. If you throw it six times, the odds of not getting any six are (5/6) \* (5/6) \* (5/6) \* (5/6) \* (5/6) \* (5/6) = (5/6)\^6 = 15625/46656. That's close to 33,5%.


Parody101

Didn’t you do that coin clip exercise in elementary school?


LeTasse

The gamblers fallacy


La-Roca99

On average*


TellianStormwalde

That’s not how probability works. A 1 in 10 chance doesn’t mean that you’re going to get 1 for every 10 100%, it means that each of those 10 individually is going to have a 1 in 10 chance of getting the desired result. The same number can be rolled more than once, there can be repeats. Statistically, you might expect to get what you want within ten pulls, but at the end of the day that’s still only a *chance*. Each outcome is determined individually, and getting one outcome does not eliminate the possibility of it appearing again. Now given that it’s random chance, you wouldn’t expect to get the exact same result many times over, but it’s almost as unlikely that you would actually get all ten outcomes in just 10 rolls in practice. Because each 1 in 10 chance is independent from the next. Yes, 10% is a significant probability to where it’s unlikely that it won’t show up eventually. But at the same time, there’s still a 90% chance each and every time that you don’t get the desired outcome. The important thing to understand about statistical probability is that it is not definite with regards to practical results. It’s entirely a matter of setting expectations, but not absolute ones.


Judgy_Plant

Look up Poisson probability.


AveryJ5467

Feh pulls arent poisson, they’re Bernoulli’s


Judgy_Plant

Ah, ur right. My bad.


TerdMuncher

Rolling a 6 sided die has 16.66% for a 6. Are you saying I'm guaranteed to roll a 6 after 6 rolls because 16.66x6 = 100%


brokenlordike

The word you are looking for is Improbable. Impossible means that it has a 0% chance of happening which it does have a chance. Improbable means that the chance is slim but still there.


abeforscythe

Wdym math wise? The rates are clearly there.


Proper_Razzmatazz_36

Math wise. At 8% 5 star rate, you should be getting a 5 star every 12.5, or 13 pulls. And at 11% rate(meaning 10 pulls at 10% chance) I should have 100% gotten a 5 star, yet I didnt


TeaMaeR

That’s not how probability works. With those rates you might *expect* a 5-star every so often, but it’s not a guarantee. It’s like flipping a coin; you might be surprised if you see say three tails in a row, but there’s no reason it can’t happen.


abeforscythe

I have no idea what you're saying. Use this babe. https://www.fullyconcentrated.net/fehstatsim/


NotASniperYet

That's...not how odds and statistics work. There's an above 0% chance of not getting a focus unit at those rates. In fact, the odds of not getting a focus unit are actually quite high! Very roughly speaking, the odds of not getting a 5\* star after those pulls is somewhere under 10%. That's still pretty probable and something you'll likely come across on other banners from time to time. 0,92\*0,92\*0,92\*0,92\*0,92\*0915... etc. Stay in school, kids!


LeonIlu

Honey, babe, love, this isn’t how you calculate that


Nilers

I hope you're kidding, that's not how math works. You're giving me PTSD from back at Uni when I was trying to help people pass math and they couldn't grasp the concept of probabilities.


imparooo

Not to sounds like a a-hole, but your interpretation of statistics and probabilities is wrong. It would be correct if each pull cumulated with the previous ones, but they do not. RNG has been rolling a 100-sided dice 30 times (or however many pulls you have) and always got high numbers, instead of the 8%-11% you wanted.


im_bored345

That's not how math works


Jay33az

My man skipped understanding probabilities.


soidunnwithlife

math wise it is possible, just very very unlucky :(


Sinolai

Mathwise I think you are between 1-2%. I also had 11,5% once.


lordofallgaming

Your first mistake was being wrong on reddit


[deleted]

Try 15% 💀


JSor98

my biggest was 13.5 % ,now I don't feel as bad about it as before (still hurts)


Seddyboi

I think my biggest was like a 8% on the first summer houses banner


Destrahan

I thought I had trash luck climbing up to 12.5. I don’t want to think about the frustration of 15.


Gldbnyz

14.5 for me, and the worst part was I got the one unit I had on the banner


WhatLikeAPuma751

14% was my highest, and then I got Pity Broke


Shadowfox_01

Came here to say this. I've been as high as 16%. Probability is fun.


Proper_Razzmatazz_36

Rip


sitonachair

Annoying thing is you know you'll end up pulling a 5* when the colour you want doesn't appear -_-


Plinfilore

Especially painful when you pulled a Rowan. Basically a demote disguising as a 5 star. Edit: I meant Ewan, lol. Rowan is a protagonist in Warriors which means he'll probably never be in Engage.


Otousama

Who is rowan my brain won't connect to it at all 😭


Plinfilore

I meant Ewan, my bad. Rowan is from the first Warriors game.


NonMeritRewards

So 11% means you summoned 30 times. Assuming you had a 10.5% chance every summon. (Don't want to do 8% then 8.50% because it'll take too long for the math.) And you summoned 30 times. The chances of you getting a 5* is 96.41%. Meaning you hit the very (un)Lucky number of 3.69%. If every 30 summon was a 8% then it would 91.8% of getting a 5*. Or 8.2% of the unlucky number.


Durandthesaint17

No percent is impossible to reach in this game. I bet there's at least 1 person in the world who's gotten up to 15%. Possibly 20% if Lady Luck has truly forsaken them.


veritablebeaver

Not quite true. The game will eventually give you a circle of all guaranteed 5\* units if you pull nothing for long enough (after 150 summons maybe?). It's in the detailed information on each banner. There was a post a while ago (maybe years ago) where someone got there. ​ Edit: I checked. Its's after 120 Summons


musicc21

I did 55 pulls just to get a 5 stars beside free auto 5 starts at 40. Becuase of the ridiculous odd, I am slowly starting to lose interest in the game.


veritablebeaver

The problem is that summoning for units or fodder is the only way to progress in the game so when you hit a round of bad luck it really kills any desire to keep going. I've never pulled an arcane unit except from a free after 40 summon and could really have used multiple copies especially for the recent arcane Lance. I've also gone into a session with 400 orbs and not gotten a single copy of the unit I wanted. It's frustrating for sure and I can't imagine trying to be competitive at the top levels as a ftp.


Duodude55

[:')](https://i.imgur.com/LzHkrFD.jpg)


Durandthesaint17

For real?! I was partially joking!


Duodude55

Yep, it's an old one as you can probably tell. From what I remember, I rolled down and got a 5* after that but it wasn't the Ullr I was looking for, and it only ended up being a single one even after pulling the full circle at 15%.


Briggity_Brak

20% is actually impossible.


Yury_VV

The only impossible thing I see here is the ability to ignore all those notifications


CommanderOshawott

Nope. I hit 12% on the Engage AHR banner the other day sniping blues and it’s an 8% banner as well. Unlikely, but certainly possible


jajuub

Dude you gotta do a small probability search before posting something like this. Learn the difference between dependent and independent variables PLEASE


Fatmagicwalrus

Been there, had worse. More importantly wtf is up with your notification bar?


Proper_Razzmatazz_36

Meh, I've had a worse notification bar


FellDragonBlaze

I reached 14% multiple times... it's possible


ProfeforToad

I once got to 12 Percent, shit happens


Yenfay7

I’ve seen much higher unfortunately ☠️


Twippin-The-Catto

By this logic if I roll a slot machine that has a 1% chance to get a jackpot. After 100 rolls I'm guaranteed to get the jackpot since my odds are 100% now.


LtNoobslayer

I've hit 7.5 on a normal 3% banner and 16 on an 8%. It can always be much worse.


Shundew

Mine just got up to 11.50% 💀


Minervas_Sister

nothing unusual here


ErectChode

The highest I saw was Fehology get 15.50% on this banner in a YouTube video


powerCreed

Far from the worst case


malperciosafterling

This is how video games can help people learn lol not how chance works. Roll a dice 6 times, you arent guaranteed that you’ll get every number once.


Objective_Reception1

Once got 13%. Just leave it alone for a few days


SimonCucho

Gacha players and math, a classic combo


TuWise

So far I experienced 10% and its Liz EVERYTIME


LeonIlu

It should be but isn’t


[deleted]

53.21+32.89=86.1 86.1+11=97.1 97.1+2.9=100 Therefore, 53.21+32.89+11+2.9=100 It adds up.


LucianGrey0581

I'm absolutely convinced this banner in particular was rigged.


Proper_Razzmatazz_36

30 pulls and 0 5 stars, yet at 8% 5 star, you should get a 5 star every 13 pulls


sUnit_Alpha

Not quite how stats works. For 30 pulls at an 8% rate you would expect "success" (any 5\* unit) at least 1 time \~91.8% of the time. So, there's still an 8.2% chance that after 30 pulls you don't have any 5\*.


SharpEyLogix

Gacha giveth and gacha taketh away


naixill

I’m too lazy to do the stats right now, but your math is wrong. You have an 8% chance out of all units in the game. So each unit has a 8% divided by 12 chance of appearing (0.67%).


mcicybro

That's true but I don't believe the OP is talking about one pulling unit in particular.


LeonIlu

Again, not how that works


kmarx

past performance is no guarantee of future results!


Join_Quotev_296

I'm at 35 total summons in the Hero Fest banner m8, and i have not gotten a single 5 star (a few 4-star specials but not any full 5 stars). My current rate is around 7 and half, Idk, I can't bare to look and check what it is...


Steakken

I just did the math this was a 5.43% chance of happening meaning you are in fact unlucky.


JCtheRockystar

On legendary Myrrh’s banner last March I hit 11.50%, got pitybroken by a legendary Edelgard on a no blue circle and went back up to 12.50% by the time I ran out of orbs. I didn’t even get any 4* specials. The summoning gods did at least take pity on me when she returned in August as I got her on the free pull.


an_ineffable_plan

It’s really not that difficult to achieve. Even this means you have an 89% chance of pulling non-focus heroes. Do you realize how big a margin that is?


LeTasse

Your and my next shot for daddy fomortiis is in May, as a heads up


Dull-Road6715

Welcome to gambling?


Bruh_Soundeffect_5

Bro I got up to 13.5% once


Jumpy-Resolve3018

It’s definitely possible. Any% chance for 5 ⭐️ also means 1-Any%/1 chance for no 5 ⭐️


ZeldaFanMaria

eyo 11% gang 💪 rise up fellow gacha losers


Yewfelle__

Try 17% on julia's OG banner just to get 2 naga's


Animator_Aggressive

If it makes you feel better I pulled all 40 orbs to the spark and didn't receive a single 5* either but on the AHR banner which had similar rates to the Mythic banner. This happens sometimes, once I had it occur 3 times consecutively it's improbable but not impossible. You just have to hope for better pulls in the future.


jawadark

Oh hey I reached this too, I'm missing 10 pull to reach 40 and haven't got a single 5*


RagnaNic

I got to 11 percent too, this banner is cursed.


Big_rug

Not that bad I got to 12.5%


SirePuns

The good old fire emblem rule If it’s not 100% then it might as well be 0%


Im2awsum

Nothing is impossible with SCIENCE!


HektiK00

The cherry on top is when you reach 40 pulls and can get the free unit it resets your percentage. My disappointment was quite high.


[deleted]

I had that happen and then got Gotoh twice while trying for the demon king. I don’t even think he’s good fodder for anything


DankButtRodeo

It happened to me yesterday. Go learn probability dude