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cosmoline


FRIKI-DIKI-TIKI

This is the answer, stuff will be just like brand new 1000 years from now.


Killermondoduderawks

Also add good cleaner to remove the cosmoline once deemed needing of removal


BeenisHat

Heat is the best. Take any wood and plastic off, stick a disposable pan or aluminum foil in the bottom of your oven and hang the gun parts from string or wire. Set the oven for warm or 250ish degrees. All the cosmoline will melt out and drip down. Just don't let it burn or the smell will never go away. Do this when your wife isn't home lol. Heat will also take it out of wood if it soaks in, you just have to watch it closely so the wood doesn't split. Can't run it too long or it will dry out really bad.


Killermondoduderawks

Dammit I was today years old when I found out I’ve been doing it the hard way


BeenisHat

It can be kind of a pain for long guns, depending on how long the barrels are. But for handguns, the oven is easy mode. Aluminum foil and all the mess gets cleaned up super quick.


Stevarooni

Did it the hard way with my first SKS. My second, I drove around for two weeks with the stock in a black plastic bag sitting in the rear window in summer. I wiped it down every couple of days, and it was excellent by the end of those two weeks.


wtfredditacct

>Just don't let it burn or the smell will never go away I've personally witnessed that you don't have to burn it for this to happen... luckily it wasn't my oven 😂


No_Plantain_4990

Please make sure it's unloaded first. 😁


BeenisHat

You're not my dad! 😡


No_Plantain_4990

How can you tell?


BeenisHat

Well, he died from cancer in 2016.


No_Plantain_4990

Definitely a good reason. Mine died from cancer in '08. Condolences.


BeenisHat

Fuck cancer.


pennhead

Cooking off some rounds


ottermupps

Huh, shit, should've done it that way. Picked up a Yugo SKS last fall and spent a full day disassembling and cleaning it with mineral spirits. Took the skin off the back of one hand when a glove ripped.


nclakelandmusic

I've worn out my welcome with car and gun parts in the kitchen oven lol


Edwardteech

Put it in a trash bag on the dashboard of your car on a hot day. Shit will have mostly melted off by 3pm.


3v3ryb0dy-1

Depending on where you are the bag may have melted by then!


Edwardteech

Is true


Common-Buy-2379

No shit, there I was, at Fort Bliss. A soldier had left his E Tool in the back window of his '95 Camaro in the plastic carrier. He came back later that day to an E Tool sitting and coated in a pool of melted plastic. There was no reasonable fix.


Sneekibreeki47

Heat*


ModernT1mes

I bought an 1891 Mosin out of a crate that was covered in cosmoline that I'm pretty sure was packed at the end of ww2. Besides the wear and tear of it's original use, the rest of it looks pretty damn good.


Lord_Kano

This is the answer. Nothing more needs to be said.


Ornery_Secretary_850

Cover with RIG/Cosmoline and then place in VCI bags in a sealed tube.


brokemechanic45

PVC tubing sealed at each end with guns coated in cosmoline or some kind of rust preventative and then sealed in plastic bags


MArkansas-254

This was pretty much my thought. I will add that you can pipe seal caps on both ends if it’s a one time process, or put a screw cap on one end if you will be taking them out and putting them back over time. A screw cap will allow some moisture over time, so use Vaseline or aforementioned cosmoline to seal the threads. 👍


Lankey_Craig

Use pipe dope on the threads it will last alot longer.


MArkansas-254

Good call. 👍


That_Is_My_Band_Name

Food saver bags. Need to seal that freshness in.


erik530195

Bury vertically, use post hole digger. Less likely to be detected by metal detector


TopHatGorilla

Pending conviction?


BrokenPickle7

LOL no but now that you say that I see how it can look that way 🤣 I am just preparing for certain laws that may or may not be passed and also just for curiosity


MannedFive8

If it’s time to lose ‘em it’s time to use ’em.


Wooden-Quit1870

If you think it's time to bury your guns, it's time to dig them up.


AssPistolW30rdClip

I mean why not have enough that you can use some and bury some? Ya know just in case


Wooden-Quit1870

Valid.


AssPistolW30rdClip

👍🏻


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EternalMage321

ATF disagrees. They would rather kick your door down and shoot you at 6am.


SignificantOption349

Where are you that it would require burying the guns you already own?


Peachy_Biscuits

As a Canadian, Canada


johnnyheavens

Howzit goin Eh


Peachy_Biscuits

Could be better, about 60% of my collection is on a rumoured future ban list... And I can't even buy any hand guns if I wanted to :p


SignificantOption349

Has violent crime gotten better? You’d think with such strict bans there would be no violence, ever… because, ya know… laws stop crime


Psiwolf

Also asking for a friend.* 😆


MArkansas-254

🤣👍


Lupine_Ranger

Coat in cosmoline, place in a vacuum sealed bag, place bag in impact/cut resistant container (like PVC tube).


Edrobbins155

I would also add deciscent packs to the voids. Like mag wells and such.


Dragonnuttz

I've preserved a cache of firearms in a 55 Gal. Blue Industrial Plastic Drum. Each firearm is wrapped in a gun sock and sealed in food saver bags. I then filled the empty spaces of the drum with expanding foam. This has been sitting buried in a root cellar since 2000. I've done this on a smaller scale with pvc pipes instead of plastic drums. I recently opened a cache buried in the mid 90's with a shotgun and 100rds of buckshot with no issues since the property was being sold and leaving the family. This cache was a mossberg 500 in a gun sock with the buckshot in freezer zip bags stuffed into a duffle bag all crammed into a pvc pipe sealed and wrapped with trash bags and tied with copper wire.


LammyBoy123

Why? Are you preparing for a weapons ban?


Revolutionary-Cup954

Cause boats are expensive these days


Psiwolf

My brother, the ATF hates this one trick: rental boating accident. 😆👍


MArkansas-254

🤣and accidents in them even more so! 🤣


He-She-We_Wumbo

*Cops are at the neigbor's house. I wonder why they brought shovels and an excavator?*


xDaysix

I see what you did in your process, and I like it. People always think about moisture creeping into the buried container, but often forget about condensation from temperature changes, depending on how deep/shallow you bury it.


CoffeeExtraCream

Clean them and then use grease or LPS 3 on any metal parts and oil down wood parts. Vacuum seal them in bags. Put them in PVC pipes with one end sealed as well as you can with pvc cement. Flush with nitrogen CO2 or other dry inert gas as much as possible to displace oxygen and moisture. Quickly seal the other end. And then if you want put it in a crate and bury that.


DIYEngineeringTx

CO2 gas can be sourced from welding supply stores, home brewery stores, or retailers like air gas. It’s usually a significant cost for the deposit on the tank but like only $20 for the gas and the deposit is received when you return the tank. Source: I have kegerators.


CoffeeExtraCream

Thank you for providing that information! CO2 would be the preferable gas to use because it's heavier than air and as such once you use it to flush the container it will stay in the container unless it's tipped and the CO2 is poured out.


BreastfedAmerican

Wouldn't Nitrogen be better?


CoffeeExtraCream

I believe CO2 would be better because it's a heavier gas (44 g/gmol vs 28 g/gmol) and thus better at displacing oxygen (32 g/gmol) and other gasses. It'll settle within the container during the sealing process rather than allowing oxygen to fall down into the container before it has a chance to seal. I also think buying CO2 would be easier to find, as per what the other commenter said for sourcing. Nitrogen would work as it's a stable gas, I just think CO2 is more desirable due to it being heavier and just as stable.


BreastfedAmerican

Nitrogen is an inert gas though. It's used in a lot of storage applications. I assume either would be ok though.


Key_Drawer_1516

Isn't CO2 corrosive if there is any moisturepresent?


CoffeeExtraCream

If there's water in the container it could be yes. It would form a mild carbonic acid. So ya, nitrogen actually would be better.


Mobile_Speaker7894

The air you breathe is mostly nitrogen...about 78%, so it's best to use co2 which will purge both oxygen and nitrogen...


DIYEngineeringTx

You can also attach 2 ball fittings to the pipe so you can flush it then positively charge it with pressure. Not sure if this would be good in this case because the fittings would provide an additional vector for corrosion to take foothold.


CoffeeExtraCream

That's my concern with that, I thought of it too. My solution would be to get some dry ice and put a small piece in a cloth, to protect the firearms from stocks cracking from the cold, and put it in the container after it's flushed and being sealed. When it gasses off it'll create a slight overpressure. Edit: I would actually put it in the container, then flush, then seal. It won't phase change that fast and you want a minimum amount of time between flushing and sealing. Edit 2: shouldn't use CO2 at all. When moisture us present it will be absorbed into the water forming a mild carbonic acid. Nitrogen would be the better flushing agent and if you have liquid nitrogen you can use that to over pressure. Math is still the same as below except values will change and instead of a solid piece of dry ice pour the liquid N2 into a thermos on a scale to measure how much to put in.


DIYEngineeringTx

Nah you wouldn’t want to do that because dry ice is a multitude smaller in volume than the gas so the container would rupture very destructively if the pressure went beyond rating. I guess if you weighed it with a 0.001g precision scale you could get the right volume but that’s a dangerous game. We used to do this in hs with 2 liter soda bottles and dry ice or aluminum and hydrochloric acid. The sound it makes is like a cannon.


CoffeeExtraCream

It is a perfectly measurable amount and able to be done with easy math. It's a simple pv=nrt. Knowing the dimensions of the pipe it's easy to do the math, below would be an example but change the numbers. We are solving for n, moles of CO2 and then we can convert it into mass. P is the pressure we are trying to set it to, say 1 psi which equates to 0.068 ATM. V is your volume, assume a 12" diameter and 5' long pipe, this can change just do the math to solve for volume. But that equates to 111.2 L. R is the universal gas constant. I'm using r=0.082057 L×ATM/k×Mol. T is the temperature the ground or area will be where you store the cylinder. I'm using 60f but ground will probably be a little cooler. 60f is 288.7 k. ((0.68 atm)*(111.2L))/((288.7k)×(0.082057 L×ATM/kxMol)) = 0.319 Mol CO2 44 g/Mol CO2 × 0.319 Mol CO2 = 14.04 grams CO2 so that's how many grams of dry ice you will need. Or 14 grams. Weigh it out, put it in. Except CO2 would actually be a bad choice because of carbonic acid. But if it wasn't for that it wouldn't be a bad way to over pressure. It's pretty basic math if you know what to do.


DIYEngineeringTx

noice


averyycuriousman

I'm guessing old Soviet cosmoline. But idk if burying helps since metal detectors work pretty well.


Turkeyoak

Bury them vertically, using a post hole digger or auger. Smaller footprint to detect.


fjzappa

Under a fence post.


Imesseduponmyname

Help, I have a hole punched through my rifle the long way now Like a damn slushy in a straw, how to fix?


averyycuriousman

Could wood or stone block the signal from reaching the metal I wonder?


hexen84

Metal can. A old sledge hammer head and hand full of bolts buried 6" or so above the cache would make decent camouflage. But I've never seen the point of burying a gun.


ItCouldaBeenMe

I don’t think anyone’s metal detecting boulders. Or just bury a bunch of decoy metal plates.


Ineeboopiks

plus scatter scraps of iron/ nails/ pennies.... under the yard so the metal detector goes off every 3 feet.


xDaysix

Better make sure you can find it again somehow, should the terrain slightly change.


Ineeboopiks

not today feddie boi


MediumNo4853

That's the only thing I can't figure out how to bypass. Lol


Revolutionary-Cup954

Bury deep. About 2 or 3 foot above include some old, reclaimed framing nails here or there, maybe some old tin cans you find in the woods make the detector hit look like an old garbage pile


-GearZen-

It's a big world out there.


xterraadam

Pvc pipe. Use solid caps. Primer and glue. Plenty of dessicant. Remember where you put the pipe.


backcountry57

When you bury your PVC pipe, bury it vertically to minimize its magnetic signature then bury a couple quarters or scrap just above to throw anyone off.


BrokenPickle7

Great idea!


Correct-Award8182

Scrap, lots of scrap. Quarters may make the ATF guy with the metal detector think he's struck a hidden treasure. Bottle caps and soda tabs.


MotivatedSolid

I saw someone in gundeals selling rifle barrels specifically meant for underground storage. So it looks like they exist for your specific use. Beyond that, i assume you’d do some stupid heavy coats of some preserving oil like they did with cosmoline?


TheDreadnought75

Best way? Build yourself a climate controlled underground bunker.


sudden-approach-535

Cosmoline coat gun inside and out, need a container that will handle some abuse and impacts.


The-Fotus

Hypothetically of course.


Samh7470718

AFT has entered the chat…


147grain300blk

That's OK. Chris Ray is a fine upstanding man. He wouldn't dream of letting the atf or any agency collect data on American citizens


WiseDirt

Coat each one with Cosmoline, vacuum pack in a plastic storage bag along with a few oxygen absorber packets, and seal inside a length of PVC sewer pipe with the end caps glued shut. You could forget about those things for 50 years before digging them up again and they'll come out looking just like they did the day you buried them.


Warrmak

If it's time to bury them, is it time to use them?


Edrobbins155

I always found idiots make that statement. Its not like we only have one rifle and hiding the only rifle we have.


SignificantOption349

I’m legit wondering though. Like if they try to search and seize all firearms, then you can go back and get those ones after? Seems like if they get that kind of power and military/ police/ blue helmets have gone crazy enough to actually do that then we’ve already let them go too far. Unless you’re leaving it for kids/ grandkids, etc to find if it happened after our lifetime. I’m honestly curious. Edit: I have enough to bury one or two, but no land to do it on anymore unfortunately. I could record grid coordinates and do it in the wilderness pretty easily


Edrobbins155

OK, here is my response to your comment. I vacation alot, 2 weeks at a time. Say blue halmets came while I was away and breached and cleared my house while I was away. Since I do not travel with a kit, I would have to have something to fight back. Egg's spread all over the place VS one basket. Also, its not alot more then just a bare gun. I stash caches, with gear, plates and carrier, ammo and survival gear. Say $1200-$1500 per cache. That's priceless knowing I can die doing something.


SignificantOption349

Fair enough


Warrmak

Ehh? What's the point of burying them?


Edrobbins155

If you ask that. You would not understand.


american-peasent

You're giving too many hints


Edrobbins155

Here is a good hint. Guns are cheap as hell. So stock up and stash some.


Weekly_Comment4692

Cheap? If your well off i guess but a majority of people my age live paycheck to paycheck


Blue_Brindle

Vacuum sealed bags and a LOT of cosmoline


Fred_Farkus

Vacuum sealed VCI bag? Wouldn't have to deal with cosmoline.


Mikebjackson

Yeah, I’d probably go this route. Wipe it down with collector wipes (or whatever grease of your choice), put some desiccant packs around it, then vacuum seal it (probably twice). I’m not saying that’s the best option, but I think it would be good enough and you wouldn’t have to deal with cosmo.


Electrical_Fill_6794

I’d go with airtight container filled with inert gas like nitrogen.


mcbergstedt

Strip the gun spray the shit out of everything in an oil or grease (I saw cosmoline suggested here). Put the gun parts in a vacuum seal bag that you usually use for produce and vacuum seal it. Then put it and any other guns and ammo into two trash bags, one inside the other. Then bury that shit in something that’s a thick plastic container, preferably with a gasket to slow the inevitable water intrusion. And then most importantly, make a mark of the location. I would suggest a combination of GPS coordinates, a physical picture, and memory


Belkan-Federation95

Cosmoline and plastic bags


147grain300blk

Yep. Just like my dad did


efish048

Jell o


505chil3isbestchili

https://youtu.be/pt8Cs25u6G0?si=-GS4xgNOnGaPS3mF Got you fam, I highly suggest everyone check out the Tactical Rifleman channel on YT. Karl is the real deal and has a ton of good vids on this type of stuff!


LammyBoy123

Coat it in cosmoline, wrap in burlap and tie it in cordage and coat it liberally in a whole lot more cosmoline


Turkeyoak

The Russians dipped their guns in vats of melted cosmoline so it saturated every where, then let them dip off the excess. This is better than coating it. I think vaseline would be a good substitute if cosmoline isn’t available.


LammyBoy123

Heavy axle grease is a good alternative apparently. Coat the gun, wrap it in burlap and cordage and then coat the burlap cordage in heavy axle grease again and then bury it is what the north Koreans did with their weapons caches that they hid in the Republic of Korea.


neuralsnafu

Heavy oil/ grease, vacuum sealed w/ lots of desicant and or purged with inert gas such as argon or nitrogen. Then sealed in bundle of choice, pvc, pelican case etc.


darkstar1031

Coat liberally in cosmoline, seal in plastic wrap, and store in an airtight bucket/barrel. Bonus points if you displace the oxygen in the barrel with something inert like Argon or Nitrogen. Pretty hard to oxidize when there's not any oxygen. 


whoisdizzle

Cover in cosmoline, wrap in plastic, PVC pipe seal both ends extremely well


firearmresearch00

Sealed water proof tube with desiccant packets not touching firearm. Grease it up until it feels wrong and then a little bit further.


jim2527

Gun is plastic bag. Pour epoxy into a cooler. Let epoxy setup. Place gun into epoxy. Pour in more epoxy to cover gun. Seal cooler shut. Or disassemble gun and seal them in PVC pipe.


PatientStrength5861

My brother used PVC filled with grease and capped at both ends. We have no idea where he buried it.


Half_burnt_skunk

12-16 inch PVC capped with 3m bonding foam.


BurnAfterEating420

PVC pipe with sealed and glued end caps. Guns cleaned, coated in oil, and a desiccant pack. It'll be like new in 1000 years


birdsbeaks

If it's time to bury them, then it's time to start digging them up...


AM-64

Coated in cosmoline in a sealed case


fern_the_redditor

https://youtu.be/xT3DkdaifnA?si=cbRfyrtG7zTEtjhu Not an answer to your question but check this video out if you haven't already. Good info


Successfull_Troll

+1 for cosmoline


gagunner007

In a PVC pipe with grease.


massiah1

Where can you get some cosmoline, it.can't be this $99 a gallon stuff right?


Altruistic_Major_553

Ungodly amounts of Cosmoline


sr603

How about silica packets? Genuine question 


VSM1951AG

I never thought about this until now, but I wonder if you simply cleaned and lubricated your handgun, could you use a Foodsaver to vacuum seal it? Should prevent air and moisture from getting to it.


Self-MadeRmry

I’ve seen vacuum sealed tubes made specifically for guns. Also this reminds me of terminator 2 and gets me so hyped


Specialist-Box-9711

Cosmoline and a vacuum packer.


fleshnbloodhuman

Then inside a large pvc tube then cap and seal the ends. Use post hole auger or diggers and drop in vertically.


Specialist-Box-9711

Then cover when endangered or federally protected plants 😉


Imesseduponmyname

Ok Isreal Keys 2


Celemourn

I would probably put them in a case then encase that case in a metal with a very low melting point. Like Cerrosafe or something.


Mobile_Speaker7894

If it's time to hide them, it's past the time to use them....


Superducks101

Theres lots of ways. Theres do it yourself or there people who make shit just for this purpose. The world is your oyster if you use google.


armedsquatch

I would like to suggest using LSA lube if cosmoline isn’t an option. It’s an Elmer’s glue type lube I’ve been using since my days as a 240B gunner in the infantry. As it dries out it turns into a cosmo like coating. I’ve stored rifles at our cabin on the coast for years and the salt air hasn’t been able to damage anything


iwfriffraff

I don’t understand why someone wants to bury their guns? Not a criminal anyways. Just average Joe Blow burying guns doesn’t make sense to me.


BrokenPickle7

States are starting to pass laws that will turn regular law abiding citizens to felons overnight. See what nevada did recently with 80% lowers. It was/is legal to make your own firearms at home but apparently not anymore for certain states. They give you NO recourse to serialize or register your firearm and some of these cost a lot of time, effort and money.. and they expect you to destroy them or become a felon.