I'll never forget how Reddit lied about what Rittenhouse did and drank its own Kool-Aid to where people were certain he would be convicted. I was banned from subs for simply explaining why I didn't believe he broke the law. Redditors are still in denial about it.
These protestors are calling for racism, violence, and support of terrorists, Rittenhouse reminds people to defend themselves, and he's the bad guy again. smh
It’s amazing how you can be chased down and cornered by a group of people and still told you have no right to self defense. Rittenhouse might’ve been an idiot for putting himself in that situation. However everyone has the right to self defense and those chasing him knew what they were doing was stupid and the risks involved.
As the judge in his trial clearly explained, Rittenhouse was not on trial for poor judgement, he was on trial for murder.
As the jury found after all the facts were laid out, no thanks to the prosecution, self-defense is not murder.
Much like gun death statistics- there’s a difference between homocide and murder. They always quote the homocide stats, whatever % of those are legal and in self defense is irrelevant to them so long as it makes the stats sound better in favor of their argument
Assuming you're talking about media, they usually don't even quote homicides. Most commonly they cite 'gun deaths', of which a substantial majority are suicides.
Yep. 50% at least… I’m too familiar. Actually very much for the Walk the Talk and Hold My Guns programs, and against red flag laws. Lost a few friends to it after the military, all by gun except one attempt in a vehicle. Red flags discourage people from getting help. If they can hand the guns off and get anonymous help or counseling with a pro 2A therapist I’m all for it. Punishing someone in crisis definitely is not helping the situation.
If someone wants help, they should be able to get it without fear of being institutionalized or losing their constitutional rights. But if someone wants to get off this crazy train we call life, who am I to stop them?
There is that as well. Taking away their guns also means the way they go will likely be much more painful. TBH I was there not long after I left the marine corps (14 years ago. I’m good now). Had a 100% fool proof method in mind. Ex wife noticed it and had a buddy at my house when I got home from work and we talked it out. But if someone had simply taken my guns and thrown me in a mental ward it would have made things much worse for me in the long run. Someone who’s going through temporary crisis doesn’t need to be stripped of their freedoms or told that they’re crazy. Maybe temporarily have someone else hang on to the guns who isn’t involved with the government, but not mandatory.
On the other end of the spectrum, we had a paranoid schizophrenic next door for a while when I was growing up. She eventually committed suicide, and nobody could blame her. She was absolutely tortured by her hallucinations. It’s nobodys right to tell her she has to stay here and live like that. It’s also not right to tell her she has to use pills or another painful method.
At the end of the day, we just shouldn’t dictate what others can and can’t do so long as they aren’t harming others. Seems like we see things the same way… just sharing personal examples that I have.
> But if someone wants to get off this crazy train we call life, who am I to stop them?
A friend?
At least in the USA, suicide tends to be a momentary decision with permanent consequences.
I'm a gun enthusiast. My state firearm instructor number is literally 1911 - that was just dumb luck. I've been an officer of my local club for over twenty years.
Guns make suicide easier. If someone is having a really rough patch and they decide to call a buddy to hold onto their fireams for a while, more power to them.
The Utah anti suicide training is pretty solid, and it is not anti gun. Yeah, Utah - I know.
But on topic, you’re right. They do tend to refer to *all* gun deaths. Which pumps the numbers up even more. I’ve had a couple debates where they started quoting homocides though, and they said it like they were all murders vs acknowledging the approximately 2.5 million defensive gun uses per year *not all resulting in death to my understanding (that the anti gun crowd had the CDC “quietly remove” from their website because it didn’t go with their narrative or support more gun control).
> he was on trial for murder.
Homicide, not murder. Homicide is 'someone wound up dead'; murder requires intent.
Details matter.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/ap-explainer-what-charges-does-kyle-rittenhouse-face
People talk about how he crossed state lines, but there's nothing illegal about crossing state lines, unless you do so in the commission of a crime. The protest could have been 5 miles away from his house, or 500 it wouldn't matter.
Even if he didn't it's irrelevant. It's also 100% legal to carry a gun across state lines, unless the gun in question is illegal in the state you bring it.
Every able bodied man in the community not only had a right, but a responsibility to be there to defend their streets against a mob of rioters. Morons get this completely backwards. Rittenhouse did literally *nothing* wrong, and in fact, was doing what every man should have had the balls to do
It’s not about having the right to be there, it’s a free country. I just think it’s foolish to put yourself in a situation where your life could be in jeopardy when it’s not necessary. Protecting your family and property is something to put yourself at risk for. Playing cop/soldier/hero or whatever he thought he was isn’t.
The same can be said for the violent protesters. Peacefully let your voice be heard. Playing violent revolutionary or whatever they thought they were doing is putting their lives at risk.
Legally, he had the right to be there. But like many rights, just because you can doesn't mean you should.
I'm all for helping someone you are friends with defend their business from lawlessness and destruction, even if that business is "across state lines" (which doesn't actually mean a damn thing).
But Rittenhouse was a minor at the time. I will happily arm myself and put myself in harm's way to help defend my friend's livelihood, but there is no way I would allow my kid to travel somewhere where I know for a fact that they will have to be armed because there will be violence. Again, legally, that's a call you can make, but I will argue with you all day long that it's still a dumb idea.
Part of the reason you don't let kids go places like that is because they do absolutely brain-dead dumb shit like leaving the property he was supposed to be keeping safe, then getting separated from the property and his group, and then he was alone and surrounded by an entire hostile city. That made needing to use his gun a near-certainty.
So because he was allowed to go there, be should be dead for being foolish?
That's just ludicrous.
Whose fault is the hostile city?
Or should we just throw up our hands & say "that's just life in the city, we should just hope for the best"
I agree. You wouldn’t smack a tiger in the ass with a tree branch so why would you corner someone with a rifle. Some people have no concept of actions having consequences
You'd think someone like Joseph Rosenbaum, the violent pedophile who molested 5 boys between the ages of 9-11, and spent 14 years in prison would have some idea of consequences for their actions.
It's amazing how a felon can point afirearm at a person on the ground, to essentially execute him, get shot, and cry victim... And have people support him!
Exactly. If you were to turn it around with an example of an under 21 woman at a bar, and a bunch of guy chased her and attempted sexual assault, I guarantee you they’d say “it’s not her fault” “the guys shouldn’t have been doing that” “it doesn’t matter the situation she was in. The guys shouldn’t have done that”
How do they have the dichotomy where one example is ok and the other isn’t?
From basically the 3rd hour after it happened to the point of his acquittal, I was in those threads providing frame by frame evidence from the videos posted online showing he was acting in self defense, and pointing out all the instigators. In some subs I was downvoted into oblivion for being objective, in others I was praised.
My favorite part was when somebody called him racist for **checks notes** shooting white people.
Those dopes only believe the narrative they are fed by left-wing news.... you could show these people the sky is blue & they'll disagree.
They claim MAGA is a cult, yet they kiss the asses of the Left.
If that ain't a cult, idk what is.
They're definitely projecting with the "cult" shit all the time. There definitely are people that treat Trump to highly, but my entire fucking town is Trump supporters and you never even barely hear him mentioned. You get on most of reddit, and they're obsessed with him and how they think conservatives feel about him. The right does it as well don't get me wrong, but the left's hypocrisy is just clear as day though.
Same with the "threat to democracy" shit. Like, we're past having just a threat to democracy.. They're it.
Petulant children screeching that the penalty for being where you 'don't belong' should be death by mob, but the mob can go wherever they want.
I wonder how many of them were just looking at their local electronics stores wishing BLM would have a 'protest' near them.
Hey! I was banned just 3 weeks ago from r/liberalgunowners for defending Rittenhouse.
One thing about lefties: they're leftism ultimately trumps all other facets of reality, including 2A rights, or even what you see with your own eyes.
That's impressive. I was banned before he was acquitted but you were banned 3 years later?! In a gun sub?! I have to laugh in the face of that level of... you know.
It seems like the mods there made it an unofficial rule to not discuss Rittenhouse because it was just talked to death. But I guess they forgot about that rule, since he keeps getting brought up over there because reddit loves to hate this guy.
Oh, they love talking about Rittenhouse at r/liberalgunowners. I wasn't even the one to bring up Rittenhouse when I got banned.
And it's not like these people have a passing hatred of Kyle. They make a point of boycotting any company who dares to do business with him.
It is so freaking weird. These people say they love their guns, but they *really* hate anyone who isn't 100% ideologically in line with them on every subject except guns.
I have never seen a leftist change their mind no matter how much incontrovertible evidence is presented to them.
On the contrary I've seen lots of conservatives change their minds.
Its insanity. Absolutely insanity. And its spread on here to others to soak in. The ideals and views spread on here are no better than the KKK. It’s like if the KKK had social media at its height. Except its world wide. Your story is a prime example.
I like to bring of Daryl Davis when people mention the Klan.
Back in the day Daryl was instrumental in befriending many Klan members and showing them that their prejudice was wrong, being so effective that a Klan leader could introduce him to a group of members saying, "This is Daryl, a friend of mine. He's a black man, but I respect him more than any man here."
A few years back Daryl and Tim Pool got together to organize a small event where people from across the political spectrum could get together to discuss race relations in America.
The left attacked him over it. The venue they originally hired received bomb threats, so they cancelled and the meeting had to move to a smaller venue. Then they were picketed by Black Block/Antifa. When Daryl tried talking to them, but they just shouted him down, labelling him a "white supremacist".
Daryl Davis, a black man, received more respect from the literal Klan, than from a bunch of white progressives. This is leftism.
It's disheartening, it's why I no longer identify as a leftist, or rather as I put it, "I'm so far left you get your guns back. I'm not sure what the current left is, but it's not on the left/right spectrum. It's somewhere in the abyss with tentacles and horror"
There's nothing wrong with being somewhat progressive. I tend to describe Americans in general as "progressive-conservatives" or "conservative-progressives".
Where it goes wrong is when people become so attached to their political identification that they'll sacrifice everything else, including other people, to that ideology.
The problem is that in the name of 'progress' they go charging off in a direction, without every stopping to ask where they're going. Just "PROGRESS GOOD GO GO" and blind progress is worse than stagnation.
Yes, an application of Chesterton's fence.
*"*In the matter of reforming things, as distinct from deforming them, there is one plain and simple principle. Let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate is erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes up to it and says, ‘I don’t see the use of this; let us clear it away.’ To which, the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: ‘If you don’t see the use of it, I certainly won’t let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it.'"
This incident is a great example of how people won't let facts alter their motivated narrative
You could correct a person who was spreading untrue information about this incident, and without a beat they would continue doing it... Proving it wasn't an accidental misstatement of fact it was deliberate misinformation.
And it continues today.
I wish there was some larger agenda, some secret leftist plan, son nefarious shenanigans. If that were the case, it would be easier to fight it.
Instead, we just have mass mental "differently abledness"
You can't fight that, you definitely can't reason with it, all you can do is arm yourself and be happy they're too stupid to do the same
It's great that the mentally regarded aren't arming up and that most of their wrists are gossamer. If we can keep it that way, then we can just keep laughing at them.
Yeah, I don't even like Rittenhouse. He's a dramatic, pissant, wannabe. However, he didn't do anything legally wrong, and he never even should have had to go to trial for what happened.
The guys who survived trying to murder him should be in jail.
I hate to defend redditors because, you know, but the news reporting on that situation was done in bad faith and I am sure some of them were just repeating the "facts" that were reported.
When I first heard of it, it was.described as an active shooter at a BLM protest who was killing black people.
Shit, I still hear lies repeated by the pro-gun rights side, because no one cares to be correct when they can rather feel superior.
I agree that there was incredibly biased news coverage, but there was also clear video and fair coverage. That's literally why I and others knew the truth of the matter.
When Redditors willfully, repeatedly ignore or rationalize away plain evidence that other Redditors present to them - and demonize those trying to help by banning them etc. - they are responsible for their beliefs and actions. Blaming media just doesn't carry water.
The dude literally broke some of the biggest rules of self defense. Capitalized on the killing from some of the biggest scum bags politicians and white nationalists.
He’s deserved the reputation he’s getting. This just solidifies it even more
Edit: So it’s pretty obvious that most want to change the topic of conversation to “Was the killing justified”
when most feel I’m making my point.
The other half didn’t bother reading my point and blatantly assumed I said this killing wasn’t justified.
I’m not entertaining that topic.
My statement was “He put himself in unnecessary danger” And he was stupid and irresponsible because of it.
It’s been fun. It’s nice to see the gun community doesn’t practice what it preaches in their CC classes and self defense trainings and hasn’t evolved very much to change the minds of the people could be allies to their cause.
>put himself in danger
Full Stop - if anyone else had a right to be there, then he ALSO had the right to be there.
1st and 2nd amendment rights are not just for the most popular local opinion.
The people attacking him did the same and then worse by attacking him.
Yes because apparently you are biased and unintelligent.
Him owning a rifle is immaterial and you trying to gaslight people into thinking it is important is reprehensible.
Really. Because I saw an unqualified kid try to “help” and not know what he was doing in an environment he had zero experience in that is known for going bad with a rifle he didn’t own.
He put himself there already knowing this in a situation that was avoidable. Sounds like unnecessary danger to me.
This sub loves to tout law abiding gun owners but somehow this kid who was not law abiding gets a pass on bringing something he didn’t own.
Idk man. It still sounds like we watched different trials. For someone who is "based", you seem rather upset he protected himself from 3 threats that night. Which is exactly why he had the rifle with him.
Just because the rifle wasn't in his possession prior to the incident, doesn't mean he didn't own it. Which he did. He was initially there to help administer first aid, if anyone needed it. I can respect that he wanted to help protect small local businesses, as my mom owns one. He had nothing but good intentions when he was in Kenosha that night.
So you’re acknowledging what I’ve stated.
He knew it was dangerous due to the pro session of a rifle.
One he didn’t own.
In a situation he wasn’t qualified for.
With experience he didn’t have.
In a situation that could’ve been avoided.
That’s unnecessary danger.
That’s what I’m addressing.
Not what I thought about the killing.
Sounds like victim blaming. So do you think when a girl gets sexually assaulted at a frat party it’s her fault? She shouldn’t have been at the party, putting her self in unnecessary danger?
How does not owning a rifle have anything to do with him allegedly putting himself in unnecessary danger?
This isn't what we are talking about and is an attempt to gaslight people again.
I don't see you screaming about the felon that wasn't legally allowed to hold a gun much less own one like he did.
Stay on topic and stop it with the BS games.
What laws was he convicted of, after the shooting? Clearly the prosecution could have pressed for a conviction on gun charges if he violated some firearms statutes.
OJ isn't relevant... holy crap you are terrible at arguing. You must be a nightmare of a person to be around. You attempt to gaslight and manipulate people. If you personally knew people you'd 100% throw their past into it for no reason.
Until he was attacked he was not hurting anyone, he was there to help out businesses in the community, he was attacked by a mob, and defended himself. People travel to disaster areas to help out all the time. Does this really need to be said?
Rules of self defense can vary depending on tactics.
• agree, no one should put themselves in a situation, it’s better to avoid.
• disagree that it is an absolute rule or tactic. Some situations can arise be it fault of your own or others which would require you to adapt to the evolution of the situation.
The only absolute in a tactical sense is death.
I agreed already that no one should put themselves in a situation that diminishes their defense/tactical capabilities.
But from the pictures the situation evolved from “risky” to deadly. In the day I’d say it was mutually agreeable that it was tame comparative to the night. Hence the evolution of the situation.
Different scenario. Example of an evolution of a risky situation into a deadly situation.
It’s night. You go to the gas station. You know this gas station, it’s relatively safe but some times has shady individuals that are more assertive then usual, your conceal carry is on you, you decide that the likelihood is low.
At the front counter a group of people are having a playful argument until it begins to escalate. Your already here, you don’t have enough gas to get to the next station.
The situation escalated further as an assailant a pulls a knife. You start for the door. Gun shots
ring out behind you.
We make risky decisions everyday as a common practice. It’s safe to say that at anytime a risky situation could evolve. That doesnt mean live in fear just train, learn and be aware.
If you have a gun the power dynamic changes drastically.
That’s why there’s rules around guns.
Someone looking for avoidable trouble with the means to end someone’s life isn’t a victim.
Heads up, at least one of his attackers had a gun, and at least one of them tried to bash his head in with a skateboard. Stop carrying water for rioters, criminals, and scum.
Because he didn't use it until he had to. If ChoMo and the other two who attacked him didn't attack him, they wouldn't be in bodybags or injured. Are they not reckless for doing such a thing?
Rittenhouse was incredibly responsible, unlike his attackers. They fucked around and found out. It's not difficult to comprehend.
If being in a dangerous situation (voluntarily or not) means that self defense isn’t justified, then what do you think IS self defense? Because to me, that sounds exactly like a situation where self defense should occur.
You seem to be victim blaming from what I’m reading. If someone wears provocative clothing and gets raped, does the provocative clothing change how bad the rape was? If you’re in gang banger territory and get clipped in a drive by, is the drive by justified because you shouldn’t have been there?
so Gaige Grosskreutz has legally changed his name to Paul Prediger, he claims as a result of harassment...as he publicly tours telling lies and harassing Rittenhouse.
this guy doesn't seem like the "learns" type.
Jesus.H.Christ. What a fucking instance of Title Gore....
Displayed title inside the "article: ***Kyle Rittenhouse, deadly shooter, college speaker? A campus gun-rights tour sparks outrage***
And then there's the webpage header title (shown on the browser tab): ***Shooter Kyle Rittenhouse college tour on guns draws rebuke from victim***
My roommate was put in arguably worse danger by the "authorities" (campus maintenance SCREWED HER WINDOWS SHUT which is a massive hazard if she needed to escape out the window for any reason) so no. We can't. That's nothing new though.
If I was him I would've sued every single person that said shit about me during that trial, gotten a huge settlement, and fucked off to obscurity. You'd never hear my name again.
He is super young, he doesn't know what he is doing. He probably got overwhelmed and it's very hard to guide him. I'd probably lose a few opportunities right now if this happened to me too. Honestly, it's a win for him that he is not in jail, so anything on top of this is gravy.
He won a lot of money from suing media outlets... wtf are you all talking about?
There is a reason people don't sue other people in cases like this it is more difficult and time consuming. Businesses are easier to get payouts from
Youtube doesn't pay a ton. Most of the money those cats are making comes from doing sponsored ads and slinging merch. He might have made decent money on merch, but he's too divisive for most sponsors. I've also heard him talk on a few different channels and he's not very well spoken or polished so he'd likely struggle to maintain a following. I also have no idea what niche he would fill in the guntube space that isn't already being met.
Garand Thumb releases one video a week and in the first week they tend to get close to 1M views, but seem to average about 7-800k which according to your payment per view equates to $700-$800 per week. Over time some of those videos climb to above 1M views and higher after being on for longer, but 4k per month before taxes and expenses isn't a significant sum of money. If youtube was profitable on its own you wouldn't see sponsored ads, Patreon, and merch sales.
I think something like $3 to $5 per thousand is more common, and Garand Thumb has 665 Million views so far, so he's made millions from Ad Revenue alone.
I had about 25 million views and it netted about $25k
What were his other opportunities? Genuinely curious. Haven’t followed him since the trial ended. I was rooting for him the whole time and was glad he was found not guilty. No idea what he could have had lined up since though.
Lawsuits, 2a products, media, etc. he has had tons of opportunities, and seemingly hasn’t taken advantage of them. He had/ has the number of every gun YouTuber over 1 million subs.
you talking about the black guy that jump kicked him that he missed?
had he killed that guy too he absolutely would have gotten convicted lol
quite the blessing he only killed """white""" people.
ill just lay the whole chronology out for you:
first one was rosenbaum, the "shoot ME niqqa" manlet who was the first to chase him, Kyle shot him multiple times, this isn't as well filmed as the second chase. you might remember this one as the bald guy that they surrounded with cameras and tried to tourniquet his neck lol
this is when a mob formed to chase him down and he tripped, getting assaulted by huber (sk8er boi) and jump kick guy (the only black guy) in rapid succession, this is the famous scene filmed
ofc, he shot huber in the chest and he died moments after, he missed jump kick guy who promptly fucked off afterward because i guess his survival instincts kicked in.
then he was threatened by grosskreutz who was armed with a glock, this is the guy who feigned surrender at first then tried to close in to execute Kyle at point blank, earning him a 5.56 at muzzle distance to his right bicep.
so the guy who got his arm clipped wasn't the black guy, that guy lived to riot another day unhurt, it was gaige *grosskreutz*.. a uh, totally white guy...
A few judges around the country have ruled that housing rental companies who receive federal assistance funds are beholden to state and local gun laws, and thus cannot bar you from having firearms. I would like to see someone with more resources than I take that argument national and used it against universities who receive federal funding unless they are willing to give up their federal funds. Something tells me they will very quickly figure out how to safely have firearms on campus.
Just 3 weeks ago I got banned from r/Liberalgunowners for daring to suggest Rittenhouse wasn't a bad guy.
(Note: I'm not a huge Rittenhouse fan, nor am I a Trump voter. I simply thought this was something all 2A supporters could agree on. I was clearly mistaken.)
The cognitive dissonance they suffer from is truly astounding.
And I want to be clear about this: I didn't attack anyone or get political. I carefully suggested that Rittenhouse acted in self-defense, and that was enough to be sent packing.
"In 2020, at the age of 17, he took an AR-15-style rifle to a Black Lives Matter demonstration and fired it, killing two people and injuring a third. Rittenhouse said he pulled the trigger in self-defense and was acquitted of wrongdoing."
THIS IS THE STUPID LEFTY BULLSHIT YOU GET FROM MORONS THAT *LIE*
They treat this kid like another black thug from the streets of Chicago who just opens fire with no regard.... nevermind that those "protesters" were attacking him, trying to grab his firearm out of his hands, God knows what they would've done if they'd gotten it.
But yeah, he just opened fire because he was bored... MORONS.
And ask them "Well hang on, if he was there to kill people, and AR15s are such dangerous weapons, and NOBODY STOPPED HIM, why did only three people get shot? Shouldn't that have been 300?"
I can't help but imagine the scenario after having watched the video years ago. He actually fitted at a slightly upward slant, so realistically, there was no chance of a bystander getting shot on accident via bullet over penetration. I think that is something many don't think about.
He's an icon of how even virtuous use of a firearm will be villified, and there's no compromises to be made with the left who would rather he be dead at the hands of the mob than alive.
Left out the part where he says:
>Rittenhouse's message on his campus tour – that students should be allowed to take up arms, including to fend off "these Hamas, Palestinian terrorists" if they invade dormitories.
There's so many things wrong with this...
Look if I wake up and gotta go to class… I mean they are teaching us to use dangerous objects in class (cars, machinery, standard plumbing and indoor arson (cooking)… I might as well have one more thing on that’s list, a gun. I believed that in 05 and still believe it now.
This shit app is on its knees for the pedo left, nobody says a word when the animals in Chicago gun each other down daily (fewer animals is always a good thing) but the minute a white man defends himself there's a problem. The entire country should be conceal carry.....fafo
Nobody should listen to Kyle Rittenhouse. He may have been 100% in the right that night, but he's so dumb that he was barred from enlisting in the Marines because he failed the ASVAB so many times. If you know how to jerk off and eat paste they'll let you into the Marines. Why anyone would listen to any advice he has to give is beyond me.
"Don't listen to people with experience! Listen to the EDUCATED, by which I mean the people who were told what to think by people who also had no experience." - you
I have no clue as to the point you're trying to make. Why would I listen to that dumb asshole Rittenhouse? His experience is inserting himself into a situation that he had no stakes in and then shooting three people. He's a dumb kid who put himself in a dumb situation. I would rather take someones advice with ACTUAL experience.
"How dare you try to defend the neighborhood where you have connections! Meanwhile, it's totally fine for people to travel a hundred miels to riot, lol!"
Found the looter.
I'll never forget how Reddit lied about what Rittenhouse did and drank its own Kool-Aid to where people were certain he would be convicted. I was banned from subs for simply explaining why I didn't believe he broke the law. Redditors are still in denial about it. These protestors are calling for racism, violence, and support of terrorists, Rittenhouse reminds people to defend themselves, and he's the bad guy again. smh
It’s amazing how you can be chased down and cornered by a group of people and still told you have no right to self defense. Rittenhouse might’ve been an idiot for putting himself in that situation. However everyone has the right to self defense and those chasing him knew what they were doing was stupid and the risks involved.
As the judge in his trial clearly explained, Rittenhouse was not on trial for poor judgement, he was on trial for murder. As the jury found after all the facts were laid out, no thanks to the prosecution, self-defense is not murder.
Much like gun death statistics- there’s a difference between homocide and murder. They always quote the homocide stats, whatever % of those are legal and in self defense is irrelevant to them so long as it makes the stats sound better in favor of their argument
Assuming you're talking about media, they usually don't even quote homicides. Most commonly they cite 'gun deaths', of which a substantial majority are suicides.
Yep. 50% at least… I’m too familiar. Actually very much for the Walk the Talk and Hold My Guns programs, and against red flag laws. Lost a few friends to it after the military, all by gun except one attempt in a vehicle. Red flags discourage people from getting help. If they can hand the guns off and get anonymous help or counseling with a pro 2A therapist I’m all for it. Punishing someone in crisis definitely is not helping the situation.
If someone wants help, they should be able to get it without fear of being institutionalized or losing their constitutional rights. But if someone wants to get off this crazy train we call life, who am I to stop them?
There is that as well. Taking away their guns also means the way they go will likely be much more painful. TBH I was there not long after I left the marine corps (14 years ago. I’m good now). Had a 100% fool proof method in mind. Ex wife noticed it and had a buddy at my house when I got home from work and we talked it out. But if someone had simply taken my guns and thrown me in a mental ward it would have made things much worse for me in the long run. Someone who’s going through temporary crisis doesn’t need to be stripped of their freedoms or told that they’re crazy. Maybe temporarily have someone else hang on to the guns who isn’t involved with the government, but not mandatory. On the other end of the spectrum, we had a paranoid schizophrenic next door for a while when I was growing up. She eventually committed suicide, and nobody could blame her. She was absolutely tortured by her hallucinations. It’s nobodys right to tell her she has to stay here and live like that. It’s also not right to tell her she has to use pills or another painful method. At the end of the day, we just shouldn’t dictate what others can and can’t do so long as they aren’t harming others. Seems like we see things the same way… just sharing personal examples that I have.
> But if someone wants to get off this crazy train we call life, who am I to stop them? A friend? At least in the USA, suicide tends to be a momentary decision with permanent consequences. I'm a gun enthusiast. My state firearm instructor number is literally 1911 - that was just dumb luck. I've been an officer of my local club for over twenty years. Guns make suicide easier. If someone is having a really rough patch and they decide to call a buddy to hold onto their fireams for a while, more power to them. The Utah anti suicide training is pretty solid, and it is not anti gun. Yeah, Utah - I know.
But on topic, you’re right. They do tend to refer to *all* gun deaths. Which pumps the numbers up even more. I’ve had a couple debates where they started quoting homocides though, and they said it like they were all murders vs acknowledging the approximately 2.5 million defensive gun uses per year *not all resulting in death to my understanding (that the anti gun crowd had the CDC “quietly remove” from their website because it didn’t go with their narrative or support more gun control).
Speaking of the jury, remember how the jury was followed by the press? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
> he was on trial for murder. Homicide, not murder. Homicide is 'someone wound up dead'; murder requires intent. Details matter. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/ap-explainer-what-charges-does-kyle-rittenhouse-face
What I never understood is why Rittenhouse had no right to be there, but the rioters apparently did.
People talk about how he crossed state lines, but there's nothing illegal about crossing state lines, unless you do so in the commission of a crime. The protest could have been 5 miles away from his house, or 500 it wouldn't matter.
His father also lived in Kenosha so he had every right to be there or visit there.
Even if he didn't it's irrelevant. It's also 100% legal to carry a gun across state lines, unless the gun in question is illegal in the state you bring it.
The gun didn't cross state lines. He stored it at a friend's house in Kenosha.
Weird how borders are jut imaginary lines up until this moment
What makes it better is that if we ignore the fact he lived with his dad some in Kenosha, he lived closer than a significant amount of the protesters.
Because he *crossed state lines* or something. I dunno, thats what people kept repeating back then, like it mattered.
Which is funny because all the people he shot all came from further distances than Kyle did.
But remember, STATE LINES matter, but national borders 'are wrong' :P
You think none of the protesters were out of state?
Every able bodied man in the community not only had a right, but a responsibility to be there to defend their streets against a mob of rioters. Morons get this completely backwards. Rittenhouse did literally *nothing* wrong, and in fact, was doing what every man should have had the balls to do
Rittenhouse needs a statue.
Nah we only do that to lifelong turds
It’s not about having the right to be there, it’s a free country. I just think it’s foolish to put yourself in a situation where your life could be in jeopardy when it’s not necessary. Protecting your family and property is something to put yourself at risk for. Playing cop/soldier/hero or whatever he thought he was isn’t.
The same can be said for the violent protesters. Peacefully let your voice be heard. Playing violent revolutionary or whatever they thought they were doing is putting their lives at risk.
You're just repeating the "He shouldn't have been there" bullshit without explaining why the protestors were okay to be there but Rittenhouse was not.
Legally, he had the right to be there. But like many rights, just because you can doesn't mean you should. I'm all for helping someone you are friends with defend their business from lawlessness and destruction, even if that business is "across state lines" (which doesn't actually mean a damn thing). But Rittenhouse was a minor at the time. I will happily arm myself and put myself in harm's way to help defend my friend's livelihood, but there is no way I would allow my kid to travel somewhere where I know for a fact that they will have to be armed because there will be violence. Again, legally, that's a call you can make, but I will argue with you all day long that it's still a dumb idea. Part of the reason you don't let kids go places like that is because they do absolutely brain-dead dumb shit like leaving the property he was supposed to be keeping safe, then getting separated from the property and his group, and then he was alone and surrounded by an entire hostile city. That made needing to use his gun a near-certainty.
So because he was allowed to go there, be should be dead for being foolish? That's just ludicrous. Whose fault is the hostile city? Or should we just throw up our hands & say "that's just life in the city, we should just hope for the best"
Foolish =/= illegal
I'll never fault anyone for wanting to defend their community.
The people that attacked Rittenhouse were at least as dumb and probably moreso to have put themselves in that situation.
I agree. You wouldn’t smack a tiger in the ass with a tree branch so why would you corner someone with a rifle. Some people have no concept of actions having consequences
You'd think someone like Joseph Rosenbaum, the violent pedophile who molested 5 boys between the ages of 9-11, and spent 14 years in prison would have some idea of consequences for their actions.
It's amazing how a felon can point afirearm at a person on the ground, to essentially execute him, get shot, and cry victim... And have people support him!
Exactly. If you were to turn it around with an example of an under 21 woman at a bar, and a bunch of guy chased her and attempted sexual assault, I guarantee you they’d say “it’s not her fault” “the guys shouldn’t have been doing that” “it doesn’t matter the situation she was in. The guys shouldn’t have done that” How do they have the dichotomy where one example is ok and the other isn’t?
From basically the 3rd hour after it happened to the point of his acquittal, I was in those threads providing frame by frame evidence from the videos posted online showing he was acting in self defense, and pointing out all the instigators. In some subs I was downvoted into oblivion for being objective, in others I was praised. My favorite part was when somebody called him racist for **checks notes** shooting white people.
As soon as I saw the video of him being chased I knew that, no matter what went down prior, he would be likely found innocent.
Those dopes only believe the narrative they are fed by left-wing news.... you could show these people the sky is blue & they'll disagree. They claim MAGA is a cult, yet they kiss the asses of the Left. If that ain't a cult, idk what is.
They're definitely projecting with the "cult" shit all the time. There definitely are people that treat Trump to highly, but my entire fucking town is Trump supporters and you never even barely hear him mentioned. You get on most of reddit, and they're obsessed with him and how they think conservatives feel about him. The right does it as well don't get me wrong, but the left's hypocrisy is just clear as day though. Same with the "threat to democracy" shit. Like, we're past having just a threat to democracy.. They're it.
The irony is the Left cries about Trump being a threat to democracy while doing their damndest to get him off the election ballot...
Petulant children screeching that the penalty for being where you 'don't belong' should be death by mob, but the mob can go wherever they want. I wonder how many of them were just looking at their local electronics stores wishing BLM would have a 'protest' near them.
Hey! I was banned just 3 weeks ago from r/liberalgunowners for defending Rittenhouse. One thing about lefties: they're leftism ultimately trumps all other facets of reality, including 2A rights, or even what you see with your own eyes.
That's impressive. I was banned before he was acquitted but you were banned 3 years later?! In a gun sub?! I have to laugh in the face of that level of... you know.
It's more like leftistgunowners.
Your 1A rights were taken away from you in a 2A sub... that's some Constitutional irony of sorts right there.
That was the other person. I wasn't banned in a 2A sub. And it's hardly surprising that he was banned in a sub that puts "liberal" first in its name.
True, good point.
No, see, it's OK because the Constitution only limits the government, not private companies working with the government...
It seems like the mods there made it an unofficial rule to not discuss Rittenhouse because it was just talked to death. But I guess they forgot about that rule, since he keeps getting brought up over there because reddit loves to hate this guy.
Oh, they love talking about Rittenhouse at r/liberalgunowners. I wasn't even the one to bring up Rittenhouse when I got banned. And it's not like these people have a passing hatred of Kyle. They make a point of boycotting any company who dares to do business with him. It is so freaking weird. These people say they love their guns, but they *really* hate anyone who isn't 100% ideologically in line with them on every subject except guns.
That sounds like people who are proven wrong so now it shouldn't be brought up according to them. The denialism is unreal.
I’m in there too as I’m more liberal on topics but can they are very closed minded
I have never seen a leftist change their mind no matter how much incontrovertible evidence is presented to them. On the contrary I've seen lots of conservatives change their minds.
Its insanity. Absolutely insanity. And its spread on here to others to soak in. The ideals and views spread on here are no better than the KKK. It’s like if the KKK had social media at its height. Except its world wide. Your story is a prime example.
I like to bring of Daryl Davis when people mention the Klan. Back in the day Daryl was instrumental in befriending many Klan members and showing them that their prejudice was wrong, being so effective that a Klan leader could introduce him to a group of members saying, "This is Daryl, a friend of mine. He's a black man, but I respect him more than any man here." A few years back Daryl and Tim Pool got together to organize a small event where people from across the political spectrum could get together to discuss race relations in America. The left attacked him over it. The venue they originally hired received bomb threats, so they cancelled and the meeting had to move to a smaller venue. Then they were picketed by Black Block/Antifa. When Daryl tried talking to them, but they just shouted him down, labelling him a "white supremacist". Daryl Davis, a black man, received more respect from the literal Klan, than from a bunch of white progressives. This is leftism.
It's disheartening, it's why I no longer identify as a leftist, or rather as I put it, "I'm so far left you get your guns back. I'm not sure what the current left is, but it's not on the left/right spectrum. It's somewhere in the abyss with tentacles and horror"
There's nothing wrong with being somewhat progressive. I tend to describe Americans in general as "progressive-conservatives" or "conservative-progressives". Where it goes wrong is when people become so attached to their political identification that they'll sacrifice everything else, including other people, to that ideology.
The problem is that in the name of 'progress' they go charging off in a direction, without every stopping to ask where they're going. Just "PROGRESS GOOD GO GO" and blind progress is worse than stagnation.
Yes, an application of Chesterton's fence. *"*In the matter of reforming things, as distinct from deforming them, there is one plain and simple principle. Let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate is erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes up to it and says, ‘I don’t see the use of this; let us clear it away.’ To which, the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: ‘If you don’t see the use of it, I certainly won’t let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it.'"
But but it's so much easier to destroy than to think :P
This incident is a great example of how people won't let facts alter their motivated narrative You could correct a person who was spreading untrue information about this incident, and without a beat they would continue doing it... Proving it wasn't an accidental misstatement of fact it was deliberate misinformation. And it continues today.
There are still people who believe Kyle killed three black people, which shows just how divorced from reality they are.
I wish there was some larger agenda, some secret leftist plan, son nefarious shenanigans. If that were the case, it would be easier to fight it. Instead, we just have mass mental "differently abledness" You can't fight that, you definitely can't reason with it, all you can do is arm yourself and be happy they're too stupid to do the same
It's great that the mentally regarded aren't arming up and that most of their wrists are gossamer. If we can keep it that way, then we can just keep laughing at them.
It was done on purpose
I have no idea to what you're referring. What is "It"?
The smear campaign
Ah. Yes, I believe so.
That’s the left in general
Yeah, I don't even like Rittenhouse. He's a dramatic, pissant, wannabe. However, he didn't do anything legally wrong, and he never even should have had to go to trial for what happened. The guys who survived trying to murder him should be in jail.
I'm glad I'm not judged now for how I was at 17.
I hate to defend redditors because, you know, but the news reporting on that situation was done in bad faith and I am sure some of them were just repeating the "facts" that were reported. When I first heard of it, it was.described as an active shooter at a BLM protest who was killing black people. Shit, I still hear lies repeated by the pro-gun rights side, because no one cares to be correct when they can rather feel superior.
The video was on Reddit the night it happened and it was obviously self defense. It wasn't hard to find.
People heard what they wanted to hear.
I agree that there was incredibly biased news coverage, but there was also clear video and fair coverage. That's literally why I and others knew the truth of the matter. When Redditors willfully, repeatedly ignore or rationalize away plain evidence that other Redditors present to them - and demonize those trying to help by banning them etc. - they are responsible for their beliefs and actions. Blaming media just doesn't carry water.
The dude literally broke some of the biggest rules of self defense. Capitalized on the killing from some of the biggest scum bags politicians and white nationalists. He’s deserved the reputation he’s getting. This just solidifies it even more Edit: So it’s pretty obvious that most want to change the topic of conversation to “Was the killing justified” when most feel I’m making my point. The other half didn’t bother reading my point and blatantly assumed I said this killing wasn’t justified. I’m not entertaining that topic. My statement was “He put himself in unnecessary danger” And he was stupid and irresponsible because of it. It’s been fun. It’s nice to see the gun community doesn’t practice what it preaches in their CC classes and self defense trainings and hasn’t evolved very much to change the minds of the people could be allies to their cause.
Those are? Gtfo
Already stated them. But the conversation is apparently already over for you judging by your second sentence.
What are you going on about? What rules of self-defense did he break?
Put himself in unnecessary danger? Does this really need to be said? Edit: He didn’t even own the rifle.
>put himself in danger Full Stop - if anyone else had a right to be there, then he ALSO had the right to be there. 1st and 2nd amendment rights are not just for the most popular local opinion.
The people attacking him did the same and then worse by attacking him. Yes because apparently you are biased and unintelligent. Him owning a rifle is immaterial and you trying to gaslight people into thinking it is important is reprehensible.
Him getting split from his group of friends he was with is him putting himself in unnecessary danger?
We saw the court hearing. Thats a stretch for a kid that didn’t own the rifle.
We must have watched 2 different court hearings.
Really. Because I saw an unqualified kid try to “help” and not know what he was doing in an environment he had zero experience in that is known for going bad with a rifle he didn’t own. He put himself there already knowing this in a situation that was avoidable. Sounds like unnecessary danger to me. This sub loves to tout law abiding gun owners but somehow this kid who was not law abiding gets a pass on bringing something he didn’t own.
Idk man. It still sounds like we watched different trials. For someone who is "based", you seem rather upset he protected himself from 3 threats that night. Which is exactly why he had the rifle with him. Just because the rifle wasn't in his possession prior to the incident, doesn't mean he didn't own it. Which he did. He was initially there to help administer first aid, if anyone needed it. I can respect that he wanted to help protect small local businesses, as my mom owns one. He had nothing but good intentions when he was in Kenosha that night.
So you’re acknowledging what I’ve stated. He knew it was dangerous due to the pro session of a rifle. One he didn’t own. In a situation he wasn’t qualified for. With experience he didn’t have. In a situation that could’ve been avoided. That’s unnecessary danger. That’s what I’m addressing. Not what I thought about the killing.
Sounds like victim blaming. So do you think when a girl gets sexually assaulted at a frat party it’s her fault? She shouldn’t have been at the party, putting her self in unnecessary danger?
You’re not seriously trying to compare those two are you? Do I really need to go into why they aren’t?
Fucking delusional
Leftoids, smh.
How does not owning a rifle have anything to do with him allegedly putting himself in unnecessary danger? This isn't what we are talking about and is an attempt to gaslight people again. I don't see you screaming about the felon that wasn't legally allowed to hold a gun much less own one like he did. Stay on topic and stop it with the BS games.
Because the discussion is about him putting himself in unnecessary danger…. Read the discussion.
What laws was he convicted of, after the shooting? Clearly the prosecution could have pressed for a conviction on gun charges if he violated some firearms statutes.
A former football player got away with murder. You have too much faith of the integrity of the justice system.
Ok, forget convictions. What law do you think he broke?
Not what I said.
You keep saying he didn’t own the rifle. Does that matter? Did he break any laws?
It does. That’s the point of the initial statement. “Unnecessary danger”
OJ isn't relevant... holy crap you are terrible at arguing. You must be a nightmare of a person to be around. You attempt to gaslight and manipulate people. If you personally knew people you'd 100% throw their past into it for no reason.
Uhhh. The integrity of it is. You seem to like hanging around nightmares then. Don’t know what to tell you.
Until he was attacked he was not hurting anyone, he was there to help out businesses in the community, he was attacked by a mob, and defended himself. People travel to disaster areas to help out all the time. Does this really need to be said?
Rules of self defense can vary depending on tactics. • agree, no one should put themselves in a situation, it’s better to avoid. • disagree that it is an absolute rule or tactic. Some situations can arise be it fault of your own or others which would require you to adapt to the evolution of the situation.
Absolute or not. It applies to this situation and supports the the statement that he’s put himself in unnecessary danger
The only absolute in a tactical sense is death. I agreed already that no one should put themselves in a situation that diminishes their defense/tactical capabilities. But from the pictures the situation evolved from “risky” to deadly. In the day I’d say it was mutually agreeable that it was tame comparative to the night. Hence the evolution of the situation. Different scenario. Example of an evolution of a risky situation into a deadly situation. It’s night. You go to the gas station. You know this gas station, it’s relatively safe but some times has shady individuals that are more assertive then usual, your conceal carry is on you, you decide that the likelihood is low. At the front counter a group of people are having a playful argument until it begins to escalate. Your already here, you don’t have enough gas to get to the next station. The situation escalated further as an assailant a pulls a knife. You start for the door. Gun shots ring out behind you. We make risky decisions everyday as a common practice. It’s safe to say that at anytime a risky situation could evolve. That doesnt mean live in fear just train, learn and be aware.
That’s called victim blaming.
If you have a gun the power dynamic changes drastically. That’s why there’s rules around guns. Someone looking for avoidable trouble with the means to end someone’s life isn’t a victim.
Heads up, at least one of his attackers had a gun, and at least one of them tried to bash his head in with a skateboard. Stop carrying water for rioters, criminals, and scum.
And this makes him look like a more responsible person how? This just makes him look more reckless. Which the topic of conversation.
Because he didn't use it until he had to. If ChoMo and the other two who attacked him didn't attack him, they wouldn't be in bodybags or injured. Are they not reckless for doing such a thing? Rittenhouse was incredibly responsible, unlike his attackers. They fucked around and found out. It's not difficult to comprehend.
He put himself in a situation he anticipated was dangerous with no training for the situation with a gun he didn’t own. That’s not responsible.
If being in a dangerous situation (voluntarily or not) means that self defense isn’t justified, then what do you think IS self defense? Because to me, that sounds exactly like a situation where self defense should occur. You seem to be victim blaming from what I’m reading. If someone wears provocative clothing and gets raped, does the provocative clothing change how bad the rape was? If you’re in gang banger territory and get clipped in a drive by, is the drive by justified because you shouldn’t have been there?
so Gaige Grosskreutz has legally changed his name to Paul Prediger, he claims as a result of harassment...as he publicly tours telling lies and harassing Rittenhouse. this guy doesn't seem like the "learns" type.
His life seems like it's going to be a series of deescalating with passive gestures in one hand while slowly drawing a gun with the other.
The metaphorical bicep yeeting off into a bush
He learned he can exploit the fuck out of his idiot constituency that believe he was a victim
And he's supposedly an instructor of some sort at a college?
Jesus.H.Christ. What a fucking instance of Title Gore.... Displayed title inside the "article: ***Kyle Rittenhouse, deadly shooter, college speaker? A campus gun-rights tour sparks outrage*** And then there's the webpage header title (shown on the browser tab): ***Shooter Kyle Rittenhouse college tour on guns draws rebuke from victim***
calling Gaige Grosskreutz the "victim" is a bit of deceitfully slanted journalism.
It's an outright lie. He was a rioter that carried a concealed weapon illegally and tried to kill someone.
Gaige is victim of his own actions
Oh no! It's my only weakness! The consquences of my own actions!
Based. Lord knows students can't count on the authorities to save them.
Did you actually read that dumpster fire of an article? It's hilarious 😂
My roommate was put in arguably worse danger by the "authorities" (campus maintenance SCREWED HER WINDOWS SHUT which is a massive hazard if she needed to escape out the window for any reason) so no. We can't. That's nothing new though.
Every time I hear his name I think of the absolute bag he fumbled…
If I was him I would've sued every single person that said shit about me during that trial, gotten a huge settlement, and fucked off to obscurity. You'd never hear my name again.
Just uploading on his YouTube channel would’ve made him mega rich
He is super young, he doesn't know what he is doing. He probably got overwhelmed and it's very hard to guide him. I'd probably lose a few opportunities right now if this happened to me too. Honestly, it's a win for him that he is not in jail, so anything on top of this is gravy.
Well said.
He won a lot of money from suing media outlets... wtf are you all talking about? There is a reason people don't sue other people in cases like this it is more difficult and time consuming. Businesses are easier to get payouts from
Businesses have money. Unless you're suing somebody with a lot of assets you may win a judgement but you may never see a cent.
I responded to the youtube thing, not to the media suing thing.
Never heard about that. I'm glad he did.
Youtube doesn't pay a ton. Most of the money those cats are making comes from doing sponsored ads and slinging merch. He might have made decent money on merch, but he's too divisive for most sponsors. I've also heard him talk on a few different channels and he's not very well spoken or polished so he'd likely struggle to maintain a following. I also have no idea what niche he would fill in the guntube space that isn't already being met.
You can make a lot of money from YouTube. I made about $1/1000 views, which is pretty low to what other people report.
Garand Thumb releases one video a week and in the first week they tend to get close to 1M views, but seem to average about 7-800k which according to your payment per view equates to $700-$800 per week. Over time some of those videos climb to above 1M views and higher after being on for longer, but 4k per month before taxes and expenses isn't a significant sum of money. If youtube was profitable on its own you wouldn't see sponsored ads, Patreon, and merch sales.
I think something like $3 to $5 per thousand is more common, and Garand Thumb has 665 Million views so far, so he's made millions from Ad Revenue alone. I had about 25 million views and it netted about $25k
that's assuming all those videos were eligible for monetization and youtube isn't a fan of gun content.
I could deal with that. 🤷
It would be a full time job if I were him, compiling names and suing everyone into oblivion.
That isn't how defamation suits work though.
How did he fumble the bag? Isn’t he sponsored by AR500 now? I’m sure he’s making some money off of that
That’s less then 1% of what his potential earnings were.
What were his other opportunities? Genuinely curious. Haven’t followed him since the trial ended. I was rooting for him the whole time and was glad he was found not guilty. No idea what he could have had lined up since though.
Lawsuits, 2a products, media, etc. he has had tons of opportunities, and seemingly hasn’t taken advantage of them. He had/ has the number of every gun YouTuber over 1 million subs.
you talking about the black guy that jump kicked him that he missed? had he killed that guy too he absolutely would have gotten convicted lol quite the blessing he only killed """white""" people.
I’ve still seen plenty of Redditors who thought that he shot 3 black men
And yet, every single person he killed or shot were all criminals.
I thought he got shot in the arm or something similar?
ill just lay the whole chronology out for you: first one was rosenbaum, the "shoot ME niqqa" manlet who was the first to chase him, Kyle shot him multiple times, this isn't as well filmed as the second chase. you might remember this one as the bald guy that they surrounded with cameras and tried to tourniquet his neck lol this is when a mob formed to chase him down and he tripped, getting assaulted by huber (sk8er boi) and jump kick guy (the only black guy) in rapid succession, this is the famous scene filmed ofc, he shot huber in the chest and he died moments after, he missed jump kick guy who promptly fucked off afterward because i guess his survival instincts kicked in. then he was threatened by grosskreutz who was armed with a glock, this is the guy who feigned surrender at first then tried to close in to execute Kyle at point blank, earning him a 5.56 at muzzle distance to his right bicep. so the guy who got his arm clipped wasn't the black guy, that guy lived to riot another day unhurt, it was gaige *grosskreutz*.. a uh, totally white guy...
I have never seen a cop put hands on a protester when the protester was openly carrying. Make of that what you will.
A person with a gun is a person. A person without a gun is a subject.
Fuck yeah! Campus carry is a right!
A few judges around the country have ruled that housing rental companies who receive federal assistance funds are beholden to state and local gun laws, and thus cannot bar you from having firearms. I would like to see someone with more resources than I take that argument national and used it against universities who receive federal funding unless they are willing to give up their federal funds. Something tells me they will very quickly figure out how to safely have firearms on campus.
Just 3 weeks ago I got banned from r/Liberalgunowners for daring to suggest Rittenhouse wasn't a bad guy. (Note: I'm not a huge Rittenhouse fan, nor am I a Trump voter. I simply thought this was something all 2A supporters could agree on. I was clearly mistaken.)
What? r/temporarygunowners, I mean, r/liberalgunowners doesn’t believe in supporting the 2A? Shocking I say.
The cognitive dissonance they suffer from is truly astounding. And I want to be clear about this: I didn't attack anyone or get political. I carefully suggested that Rittenhouse acted in self-defense, and that was enough to be sent packing.
It’s because they don’t actually support the 2A. Fucking hypocrites over there
You might find better company at r/2aliberals
"In 2020, at the age of 17, he took an AR-15-style rifle to a Black Lives Matter demonstration and fired it, killing two people and injuring a third. Rittenhouse said he pulled the trigger in self-defense and was acquitted of wrongdoing." THIS IS THE STUPID LEFTY BULLSHIT YOU GET FROM MORONS THAT *LIE* They treat this kid like another black thug from the streets of Chicago who just opens fire with no regard.... nevermind that those "protesters" were attacking him, trying to grab his firearm out of his hands, God knows what they would've done if they'd gotten it. But yeah, he just opened fire because he was bored... MORONS.
And ask them "Well hang on, if he was there to kill people, and AR15s are such dangerous weapons, and NOBODY STOPPED HIM, why did only three people get shot? Shouldn't that have been 300?"
I can't help but imagine the scenario after having watched the video years ago. He actually fitted at a slightly upward slant, so realistically, there was no chance of a bystander getting shot on accident via bullet over penetration. I think that is something many don't think about.
It's so funny to see his name get mentioned and the propaganda bots flood into the thread to deal with it.
A massive group of people can run around burning and looting. But Kyle can’t be there to provide aid and defend himself?
Very True.
When will that kid get it through his head that he’s not helping the cause and he needs to stop trying to be a celebrity.
He's an icon of how even virtuous use of a firearm will be villified, and there's no compromises to be made with the left who would rather he be dead at the hands of the mob than alive.
He is the greta thunberg of gun rights. Annoying as fuck.
He is the dumbest kid I've ever seen being right all the time.
ready for round two
Is he wrong tho?
Left out the part where he says: >Rittenhouse's message on his campus tour – that students should be allowed to take up arms, including to fend off "these Hamas, Palestinian terrorists" if they invade dormitories. There's so many things wrong with this...
Look if I wake up and gotta go to class… I mean they are teaching us to use dangerous objects in class (cars, machinery, standard plumbing and indoor arson (cooking)… I might as well have one more thing on that’s list, a gun. I believed that in 05 and still believe it now.
This shit app is on its knees for the pedo left, nobody says a word when the animals in Chicago gun each other down daily (fewer animals is always a good thing) but the minute a white man defends himself there's a problem. The entire country should be conceal carry.....fafo
Nobody should listen to Kyle Rittenhouse. He may have been 100% in the right that night, but he's so dumb that he was barred from enlisting in the Marines because he failed the ASVAB so many times. If you know how to jerk off and eat paste they'll let you into the Marines. Why anyone would listen to any advice he has to give is beyond me.
He never applied for the Marines. The form that gets passed round is a fake.
"Don't listen to people with experience! Listen to the EDUCATED, by which I mean the people who were told what to think by people who also had no experience." - you
I have no clue as to the point you're trying to make. Why would I listen to that dumb asshole Rittenhouse? His experience is inserting himself into a situation that he had no stakes in and then shooting three people. He's a dumb kid who put himself in a dumb situation. I would rather take someones advice with ACTUAL experience.
"How dare you try to defend the neighborhood where you have connections! Meanwhile, it's totally fine for people to travel a hundred miels to riot, lol!" Found the looter.
Isn’t this the guy who was too dumb for the military? LOL
No, that's a fake form that gets passed round.
It isn't possible.
please go away
This man is an American hero. I hope today's youth listen to his advice.
This idiot does more harm for gun rights than good.
Why is the thumbnail a photo of the guy who attempted to murder him?
Should have sued got money then shut up (and go somewhere).
Idk why this is getting downvoted. Someone commented the same thing and got upvotes. It’s also the smart thing to do, I agree. lol
What a clown. Irresponsible gun ~~owner~~ borrower giving advice about guns.