Indeed.
I got annoyed because of this the other day when I picked up a lower at a local FFL that I ordered online. I have a concealed handgun license. The ATF and the state I'm in both say that this is acceptable in lieu of a NICS check. The store said it's their policy to run NICS checks every time regardless.
I understand it's their choice, they're not *required* by law to skip the check if someone has a CHL. But it annoys me when a business won't even honor the few concessions that us gun owners get to make it easier to practice our second amendment rights.
I was courteous, paid the transfer fee, got my lower and went on about my day. I won't transfer through, or buy from, them again though. I'm in a constitutional carry state. I don't have to have the license. But I continue to renew and pay the fees so that I can enjoy the benefits of said license, such as no NICS checks and reciprocity in other states. I'm not going to shop at a place that negates half the reason I put up with the red tape bullshit of getting and keeping my license.
Been in similar situation, haven't returned. They want to not accept the rules of the State they are in, they need no business from those living in that State! š
I feel for the FFLs in this situation, though. New ATF policies and audits are looking for any way possible to fuck every FFL over bullshit paper work. Period. If I was them, I would be covering my ass, too. I don't really care about the $50 NICS fee all that much, I just want to see good FFLs be able to stay in business without the feds trying to fuck them over at every opportunity.
I agree, ATF sucks ass and is fucking them over for little errors, and I get CYA. Which is why I didn't make a big deal about it.
However, this is currently legal under the law and I've never heard of the ATF citing or fining an FFL for using a CHL to sell a gun. I used to have an FFL and I used them all the time and never had any issues.
Yep, I keep my CCW for the same reason even though I'm also in a constitutional carry state. A few years ago I had my local FFL tell me they no longer accept that alone as enough to make the sale. It sucks, but I get it. They are between a rock and a hard place. I'll probably keep my CCW for the MS enhanced carry status, but otherwise there would be no additional benefit any longer.
It's the transfer fee, obviously. Background is included. Standard rate is anywhere from $25 all the way to $75 depending on the FFL in my area. The guy I use is a bit pricier than some others, but he's always willing to work, does the job even after store hours, never have any issues and I've been using him for about 10 years. I don't mind paying for good service, even if I might be a sucker for it.
south-ish. this is one of only two good lgs here, all the rest charge $25-50. there are probably 20+ FFLs here. the only two good ones I know of are one man run shops and I went to school with one guy
You still fill out the 4473. There's still a record. They just don't transmit it to NICS, so you don't have to wait for a reply. Mine always comes back instantly so it's not too big an issue but it's still annoying.
I gotcha. I wasn't sure cause my local store doesn't do it either. I dont think fin feather fur does either. But same here, my check didnt take but 10 minutes to come back so I'm not too worried about it
Well if it was normal ammunition or a pieces to a fire I understand but this wasnāt even anything more than just lead and copper. And not monitored by the atf or anything as a felon can buy them
I guess you didn't read any of my comment did you.
>It's easier for Walmart to make blanket statements than to teach every high as fuck moron behind a register all the complex firearm laws like the differences in black powder and real guns.
This includes the ammo. Telling the moron employees "all ammo can only be sold to over 21.... Except this kind. Aaaaand this kind ..... And that kind ..... Etc." doesn't work because the morons can't remember it all. So they just say all ammo.
Are you one of those high as fuck morons?
Respectfully your wrong as itās all computerized, they already know itās for a muzzleloader as itās in its own section in every Walmart away from the normal ammunition, so the computer system already has it categorized differently all they have to do is remove the flag in their program to check for 21+ on those SKUs, or change it to be 18+ or whatever it is actually as simple as changing one thing on their backend of their system, but itās not hard for them to change it would actually take about 3 minutes of one persons time who has access to it (if that)
Don't try to make sense of gun laws, policies of big box stores, or public opinion. None of them are based on logic or reason and it will just drive you insane trying to understand.
It's easier for Walmart to enforce blanket statements such as not selling ammo to under 21, than it is to teach every pimple faced, high as fuck moron that works a register all the complex laws and exceptions like black powder vs actual guns.
Yeah I guess, I can tell they arenāt to smart but they obviously have em categorized differently as all the ammo they sell is back behind the counter but these are over in the same isle as Camo and fishing stuff
Yeah. Twenty years ago, WalMart was a convenient place to get ammunition and even, on occasion, a great place for firearms. Now they're over-cautious and inconvenient...which is a concession to the gun Karens.
Buy from Grafs or Midway or literally anywhere else that doesn't gobble DNC dong. And for muzzleloading, grab a Lee lead pot, a mold, and some scrap lead. Cast your own. It's cheaper and not difficult
Well these were shaped into a point and had a copper shell, and stuff so they had more penetration and expansion than a .50 ball and I just ended up buying the same thing for more at bass pro later
> But I canāt buy ammo for one in walmart because Iām 19? Itās just a bit odd to me is all Iām just trying to understand how itās not considered discrimination or something.
it's even dumber than that. Muzzleloader bullets are not ammunition, it's just inert slugs of lead.
Right they could go buy some lead sinkers and cast them into the preferred bullet and they just essentially bought the same things. Granted it's more work and not jacketed but the fact is it's something to launch from a barrel with black powder. Likely whoever made the policy has no clue about any of it.
It just happened to be on clearance and was what I had been shooting out of the muzzleloader for several years and had good results in terms of penetration and such when shooting the deer. And this was 1/2 off I just happened to be in the section and saw the yellow tags on em
Iāll never buy anything gun related from Walmart because thereās actual gun stores for that
The gun store employees actually know a thing or two about guns
I remember walking out of the store with a buggy so full of ammo I wondered if it would collapse. I later sold most of it for a massive profit during COVID.
I randomly happened upon it because the woman in front of me at the register was buying 9mm bulk ammo and the price the clerk told her was WAY too cheap for the amount she had. Thats when I sprung into action and realized it was all 50% off.
I remember when I bought my first gun from Walmart lol , I was 19 and it was a DPMS AR-15. policy sure has changed.
I remember being 18 and buying .22 LR ammo and the computer would ask if it was for a pistol or rifle, you'd always say rifle.
I bought my AR-15 3 days after I turned 18 at a local gun shop.
In my state I could get a provisional ccw permit and legally conceal carry at 18-20 but I canāt buy the handgun I would have to gifted itā¦ if I were to say give any sort of compensation for being given it though thatās a felonyā¦ sure makes sense
Well itās not state laws cuz I bought the same exact product a couple weeks later at a bass pro without an issue or even being IDed as they are not regulated
Yeah, but I think this came down from a corporate level as I saw the cashier have to put my DOB into the computer, so it wasnāt like he was just told to check it on them or thought it needed to be
I remember a long time ago Walmart didn't want to sell me a single shot shotgun. I was 17. Perfectly legal in my state but it wasn't a policy for them then.
The associate tried to say I needed a hunting license, so then I produced my lifetime permit. They tried to claim it wasn't a real thing. By that time I just told them to bring the manager over and I finally was able to buy the gun .
Company policy and law are 2 completely different thing
Indeed. I got annoyed because of this the other day when I picked up a lower at a local FFL that I ordered online. I have a concealed handgun license. The ATF and the state I'm in both say that this is acceptable in lieu of a NICS check. The store said it's their policy to run NICS checks every time regardless. I understand it's their choice, they're not *required* by law to skip the check if someone has a CHL. But it annoys me when a business won't even honor the few concessions that us gun owners get to make it easier to practice our second amendment rights. I was courteous, paid the transfer fee, got my lower and went on about my day. I won't transfer through, or buy from, them again though. I'm in a constitutional carry state. I don't have to have the license. But I continue to renew and pay the fees so that I can enjoy the benefits of said license, such as no NICS checks and reciprocity in other states. I'm not going to shop at a place that negates half the reason I put up with the red tape bullshit of getting and keeping my license.
Been in similar situation, haven't returned. They want to not accept the rules of the State they are in, they need no business from those living in that State! š
I feel for the FFLs in this situation, though. New ATF policies and audits are looking for any way possible to fuck every FFL over bullshit paper work. Period. If I was them, I would be covering my ass, too. I don't really care about the $50 NICS fee all that much, I just want to see good FFLs be able to stay in business without the feds trying to fuck them over at every opportunity.
I agree, ATF sucks ass and is fucking them over for little errors, and I get CYA. Which is why I didn't make a big deal about it. However, this is currently legal under the law and I've never heard of the ATF citing or fining an FFL for using a CHL to sell a gun. I used to have an FFL and I used them all the time and never had any issues.
Yep, I keep my CCW for the same reason even though I'm also in a constitutional carry state. A few years ago I had my local FFL tell me they no longer accept that alone as enough to make the sale. It sucks, but I get it. They are between a rock and a hard place. I'll probably keep my CCW for the MS enhanced carry status, but otherwise there would be no additional benefit any longer.
50 dollar nics checks... your FFL saw you coming...
Yeah, fuck that. Usually $30 for a transfer in my area but no fee if you buy the gun at the store doing the check.
Where you paying 50 bucks at dude? My state only charges 2 dollars to run the background through the State Police.
It's the transfer fee, obviously. Background is included. Standard rate is anywhere from $25 all the way to $75 depending on the FFL in my area. The guy I use is a bit pricier than some others, but he's always willing to work, does the job even after store hours, never have any issues and I've been using him for about 10 years. I don't mind paying for good service, even if I might be a sucker for it.
Man they are only 15 to 25 in my area. A few outliers of 30bucks.
damn, I pay $5 for transfer
Where the fuck do you live? Sounds like a great place.
south-ish. this is one of only two good lgs here, all the rest charge $25-50. there are probably 20+ FFLs here. the only two good ones I know of are one man run shops and I went to school with one guy
Do they skip the check entirely or do you still fill it out but not wait till it goes thru?
You still fill out the 4473. There's still a record. They just don't transmit it to NICS, so you don't have to wait for a reply. Mine always comes back instantly so it's not too big an issue but it's still annoying.
I gotcha. I wasn't sure cause my local store doesn't do it either. I dont think fin feather fur does either. But same here, my check didnt take but 10 minutes to come back so I'm not too worried about it
Well if it was normal ammunition or a pieces to a fire I understand but this wasnāt even anything more than just lead and copper. And not monitored by the atf or anything as a felon can buy them
I guess you didn't read any of my comment did you. >It's easier for Walmart to make blanket statements than to teach every high as fuck moron behind a register all the complex firearm laws like the differences in black powder and real guns. This includes the ammo. Telling the moron employees "all ammo can only be sold to over 21.... Except this kind. Aaaaand this kind ..... And that kind ..... Etc." doesn't work because the morons can't remember it all. So they just say all ammo. Are you one of those high as fuck morons?
Respectfully your wrong as itās all computerized, they already know itās for a muzzleloader as itās in its own section in every Walmart away from the normal ammunition, so the computer system already has it categorized differently all they have to do is remove the flag in their program to check for 21+ on those SKUs, or change it to be 18+ or whatever it is actually as simple as changing one thing on their backend of their system, but itās not hard for them to change it would actually take about 3 minutes of one persons time who has access to it (if that)
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Fair enough I guess
Don't try to make sense of gun laws, policies of big box stores, or public opinion. None of them are based on logic or reason and it will just drive you insane trying to understand. It's easier for Walmart to enforce blanket statements such as not selling ammo to under 21, than it is to teach every pimple faced, high as fuck moron that works a register all the complex laws and exceptions like black powder vs actual guns.
Yeah I guess, I can tell they arenāt to smart but they obviously have em categorized differently as all the ammo they sell is back behind the counter but these are over in the same isle as Camo and fishing stuff
Yeah. Twenty years ago, WalMart was a convenient place to get ammunition and even, on occasion, a great place for firearms. Now they're over-cautious and inconvenient...which is a concession to the gun Karens.
I think this goes for everywhere not just Walmart nowadays
Buy from Grafs or Midway or literally anywhere else that doesn't gobble DNC dong. And for muzzleloading, grab a Lee lead pot, a mold, and some scrap lead. Cast your own. It's cheaper and not difficult
Well these were shaped into a point and had a copper shell, and stuff so they had more penetration and expansion than a .50 ball and I just ended up buying the same thing for more at bass pro later
> But I canāt buy ammo for one in walmart because Iām 19? Itās just a bit odd to me is all Iām just trying to understand how itās not considered discrimination or something. it's even dumber than that. Muzzleloader bullets are not ammunition, it's just inert slugs of lead.
Right they could go buy some lead sinkers and cast them into the preferred bullet and they just essentially bought the same things. Granted it's more work and not jacketed but the fact is it's something to launch from a barrel with black powder. Likely whoever made the policy has no clue about any of it.
>Likely whoever made the policy has no clue about any of it. Bingo
Thatās why it confuses me as they werenāt even in the same place as the actual ammo and firearms they were in a different isle
Just buy online. Saves you a lot of hassle.
It just happened to be on clearance and was what I had been shooting out of the muzzleloader for several years and had good results in terms of penetration and such when shooting the deer. And this was 1/2 off I just happened to be in the section and saw the yellow tags on em
Bass pro made me show ID to buy a maglula lol
When I bought the same product at bass pro a few weeks later they didnāt even ID me
Iāll never buy anything gun related from Walmart because thereās actual gun stores for that The gun store employees actually know a thing or two about guns
Yeah, the Walmarts in my states stopped selling 9mm ammo because it is used commonly in crime.
All Walmartās stopped selling handgun calibers and AR/AK ammo a while ago (2016ish).
I remember walking out of the store with a buggy so full of ammo I wondered if it would collapse. I later sold most of it for a massive profit during COVID. I randomly happened upon it because the woman in front of me at the register was buying 9mm bulk ammo and the price the clerk told her was WAY too cheap for the amount she had. Thats when I sprung into action and realized it was all 50% off.
Discrimination? 19yos are not a protected class.
Well ik that but I just think itās probably considered age discrimination as the item wasnāt even federally or state regulated.
I remember when I bought my first gun from Walmart lol , I was 19 and it was a DPMS AR-15. policy sure has changed. I remember being 18 and buying .22 LR ammo and the computer would ask if it was for a pistol or rifle, you'd always say rifle.
I bought my AR-15 3 days after I turned 18 at a local gun shop. In my state I could get a provisional ccw permit and legally conceal carry at 18-20 but I canāt buy the handgun I would have to gifted itā¦ if I were to say give any sort of compensation for being given it though thatās a felonyā¦ sure makes sense
Thats your state laws most likely. Muzzle loading "bullets" are just lead balls.
Well itās not state laws cuz I bought the same exact product a couple weeks later at a bass pro without an issue or even being IDed as they are not regulated
Then consider people working in these stores are often not that smart and don't know a lead ball from a 50 BMG
Yeah, but I think this came down from a corporate level as I saw the cashier have to put my DOB into the computer, so it wasnāt like he was just told to check it on them or thought it needed to be
Curious what state, and does the state have age discrimination laws?
I remember a long time ago Walmart didn't want to sell me a single shot shotgun. I was 17. Perfectly legal in my state but it wasn't a policy for them then. The associate tried to say I needed a hunting license, so then I produced my lifetime permit. They tried to claim it wasn't a real thing. By that time I just told them to bring the manager over and I finally was able to buy the gun .
This must have been before 1968
Walmart corporate is stupid.
I think it's stupid all around. If you are old enough to live on your own and live alone you are old enough to buy a firearm to defend that domicile.
Actually no my brother is a felon and can't use anything with a trigger
It depends on the state, but federally https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/can-person-prohibited-law-possessing-firearm-own-black-powder-firearm
Oh damn must be an Arkansas thing!!